Also: Do not take selfies in railroad tracks. If a train has to brake because someone is near or on the tracks, it's considered a criminal offence and will result in a fine of up to 5.000€ or - if you did something REALLY dangerous - a prison sentence of up to ten years.
Your perfect reenactment of the slideshow night made me laugh so hard. Apparently things were the same here in Germany where I grew up and in England where you grew up. Just with the narration being in a different language, but absolutely the same style of presentation. :-D
The Eiffel Tower at night in Paris when lit up is an example of where copyrights tend to get people into unexpected litigation. German law would prevent that.
France is an example of a country without freedom of panorama, and the illuminations are a work of art protected by copyright. However, the owners don't go after tourists and amateurs, but they will sue professionals.
Jees, I am glad. I once photographed quite a lot from a iluminated church entrance in Amiens in France when I stumbled right into the show. Didnxt know it wasn't allowed. (Why someone tried to capture the light show with flash activated is beyond me though) I LOVE your imitation of a dia show! The cringe is real. I endured many of these with my grandparents about their like 40th or 50th Mallorca vacation.
@@piceatall6962 Same thing happened when Christo wrapped buildings like the Reichstag in cloth. Temporary art installations are exempted from the freedom of panorama.
@@naneneunmalklug4032 You're probably talking about "Amiens - La Cathédrale en couleurs", which I've also photographed, but happily without any trouble or interference from either locals or officials, even with my tripod set up in the square in front of the crowd. I must have been very lucky!
@@kelvinp.coleman563 indeed! And yeah, I had no problems either and honestly I would makes pictures again of this as long as noone told me no. I understand and respect no photos in exhibitions or museums, no flash photos with light sensitive colors on publicly visibly art, but some restrictions don't make sense to me
Two museums explicitly allow taking photographs and videos for private purposes, that are the Technik Museums in Sinsheim and Speyer. You might even use a tripod or artificial lighting as long as it does not cause problems for other people. World's largest model railway, the Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg, not only permits taking private photographs and videos, it declares them desired and encourages visitors to share them in social media or on YT. Charging batteries is free and you can buy new ones or memory cards in the souvenir shop.
RewBosses general tips are right. I take photos for some time now and yes, do sort your pics, only show the best ones, and try to find new perspective. AND YES if you are on location, experience first. Take photographs later.
More people need to hear the message about taking pictures only for the 'Gram and actually being a nuisance. It's about what you experience on a trip, not about the "Likes" your pictures will get you.
"One of the worst forms of torture was the slide show." True, so true ... I'm not a software engineer, but I'm sure it could be done to restrict digital cameras to 36 pictures per day, the amount that fits on a classical film roll, or to 30 minutes of video.
As someone who has shot on classical film roll: You can swap them and continue taking photos. :D But yeah, you think more about what you're actually shooting. _A lot_ more.
This is how I get along with this (non-profit) channel: -Filming trains, trams, buses or just the city itself (castle) from public places: No problem at all. - Filming DB stations: Usually no problem at all, they just forbid tripods, and you probably shouldn''t take your camera out at crowded, busy Hauptbahnhof. -Filming on VAG premises: Technically you need a permission, but U2/U3 are conductorless trains so you can film there, no conductor can yell at you ;) There is CCTV there but they don't really care as long as you behave. When filming on the U1 (with drivers), trams and buses, I just use my phone camera and film in a inconspicious manner. Also, because of corona, but also because of privacy, I tend to go to the stations and places off-peak. Both rail operators don't really care about privacy (as long as you don't go somewhere you should not be), they just don't trust people not to cross tracks or endanger passengers when filming.
So very true When we travel we never go to the touristy spots. We can’t stand crowds and I prefer visiting places that are quieter and less known. I find this way I experience more of the real country. I did not take my kids to.Neuschwanstein,I visited it about 30 years ago and it was no where near as crowded as these days. We took our kids Berg Hohenzollern instead.
As someone with aphantastia, if I do not take photos of videos then I simply do not remember trips. I will remember facts like, there was a cute street with cute buildings, but I will not remember what it actually looked like. I think this is why I love making my vlogs and taking a million and twelve photos 😂
„Das Beste kommt zum Schluss“, ein wundervoller Film mit Jack Nicholson und Morgan Freeman, handelt von einer Löffelliste und mindestens seitdem ist Deutschen dieses Wort ein Begriff. Leider gibt es dann so etwas wie den Sonic-Film, wo diese schöne Übersetzung von „Bucket List“ missachtet wird.
Once I was whale-watching with a huge camera, there was only one hunchback showing his fin one time. I took a foto, but after that I realized, I haven'T seen it really with my eyes, only through the lense. So I absolutly confirm Andrews experience.
We have very similar photography ordinances in Quebec regarding privacy. It should be easy enough to avoid offending the local population....or so I hope.
Very well explained. Granted, a 7 minute video is not enough to go into depth of ask the legal details that even law scholars argue about. One thing to always keep in mind is that privacy laws in Germany differ fundamentally from e.g. UK and US. While in the US you generally do not have an expectation of privacy in a public forum, this is very different in Germany. Your privacy is protected in Germany even in public unless some exemptions apply...
Great video of a summary of 7 different Law texts (directive 95/46/EC, BDSG, KunstUrhG, UrhG, LuftVO, BGB and GG). If anything, I'd probably add that better not to use camera drones without explicitedly be allowed by authorites. The filming/photo on private property applies to them aswell ofc, making drone flights over homes and private propertys problematic atleast.
@@rewboss yes they are kinda the same, but not quite. I tend to think of the European legal text as gdpr and the German one dsgvo, when it schould be called „directive 95/46/EC“ instead of gdpr. Sorry, it gets confusing what people are actually talking about, most Americans and people from other countries reference with gdpr the European rules not the member states own rules. There are quite a bit of differences in the member states versions. I will edit the list, since it’s partly wrong
When my wife and I were in Germany (around Munich), we visited Neuschwanstein Castle and did the cliche touristy picture from the footbridge. But the more interesting picture looked along the bridge at the throngs of people and the guard limiting how many were on it a any given time. This was the "un-fairy tail" view but every bit of the experience!
German say they value their privacy, so they don’t like cameras pointing at them…but they will stare at you with their eyes and not mind there own business. They will judge you and correct you at the slightest infraction. Some privacy.
Germans stare as a matter of course. I lived there for 12 years and got used to it. But it's still really weird, neurotic behaviour. Dunno if Austrians stare, too.
My aunt once texted me saying that I needed to take down some pictures that I'd uploaded to Facebook because I didn't have the permission of the people in the pictures to upload them - not 'could' I take them down, but I 'needed' to! Now, I didn't argue with her because she is a solicitor and would therefore probably know better than I do what the legal situation is, but they were taken in locations that were fully accessible to the public and anyone could therefore have happened to see those people anyway, so what difference does it make if it's in a picture? If anyone that's in a picture wants me to take it down then I will, but otherwise it's staying put. Besides, it was rather bold of her to assume that I didn't have those people's permission - for all she knew, I might have done!
Hello Rewboss - as always, enjoyed your advice - this time on social principles in relationship to photography in Germany. 1. I enjoyed your forays into nana advice somewhat less - a bit patronising and superior. People can decide for themselves what they want from their experience. 2. Did you fail to touch on photography of children or did I miss it? In Australia it is not acceptable to photograph other people's children, especially at swimming pools etc. without knowing them or having permission. It is part of the fear of wierdos thing.
To be honest, I don't think your slideshow analogy really works, because the difference with uploading pictures to your social media is that you're not forcing anyone to look through them by doing that and they can just browse at their leisure. If they see anything they don't find particularly interesting then they can just skip it
If a unwanted subject walks into your frame you should stop closing your off camera eye and scan what is happening outside your frame. Spacial awareness and that ...
Shouldn't be much of a problem. Before publishing, license plates and the driver's face should be censored. But then, be careful with advise you get from strangers in the internet 🤭
We re taking more pictures because it is easier, cheaper, more disposable, etc. In the past you needed a roll of film that needed to be developed and if those pictures were bad money was lost. Nowadays no money is lost taking pictures and you can take thousands, free of charge, no need to take them to the lab to process the film.
I once sat in a public transport train in my city, and there were some young girls, tourists from America, maybe in their high school age or something. One of them posed for a picture quite next to me, and the other one shot the photo in such a way that I was also on it, although she wante to photograph her friend. I asked her "Could you please delete that", and she complied, even gesturingly held up her phone to me really quick "look, it's deleted", although I couldn't see that I still believed her, because she did give me an honest impression. Anyways, I don't appreciate being photographed, especially not when the picture is likely to end up on the internet somewhere. When I'm not really recognizeable in the background, I guess it has to be fine, I possibly wouldn't even know that, but the way the described situation happened, I would have taken a considerable part of the photograph. And being on the internet for about as long as Google exists, having kept it clean from photos of me, I really don't want to start showing my face online in a time when it could also be seen by biometric facial recognition algorithms. I wouldn't even care if any real human being who read this comment could see my face, but since these algorithms could also see it then, and they would be able to identify me on any other picture from that as well, this gives me the creeps. It is a great jeopardy to the freedom in our societies. Not people, algorithms are the problem.
@@lindsaywebb1904 My phone runs on SailfishOS, without Google, Apple, Microsoft or Amazon. The secondary phone does run an AOSP custom ROM, but without Google apps, so there shouldn't be any spyware on there either. Bank cards I have, but they're in an RFID-safe compartment, *and* I only use them at the ATM to draw cash, with which I then pay everything.
@@Seegalgalguntijak wow. That's pretty dedicated. That means only your phone carrier and bank knows where you've been. Just hope your country of choice don't open their photo ID records. In Australia a couple of years ago, they changed legislation permitting law enforcement to access licence and passport photo databases so they can run it against cctv footage. All in the name of public safety of course. Not quite Chinese standard but that's how it starts.
@@lindsaywebb1904 And 99.9% of the time I only use the same ATM - that which is nearest to my home (which the bank must know anyways). As for totalitarianism, yes, that's on the rise here in German as well. They now mandate you to put fingerprints into the normal passport that every German needs (with which you can basically only travel freely throughout the EU and a few other countries). But I also like to differentiate between surveillance by the state, and by private parties like corporations (the so-called surveillance capitalism). While I generally tend to trust the state to be true to its own laws, I know corporations will do whatever makes them more money/gives them more influence, and try to get away with, so I would never assume about Google, Facebook and so on that they actually abide by the GDPR, they just don't get caught. And when you see what is possible in regards of manipulation (i.e. the Cambridge Analytica thing), you really don't want any private party (which is basically uncontrolled/uncontrollable at a certain size/power) to have that much power...
I am sure part of the reason people take the boring pictures is because they know they are safe in a legal sense...how can you tell a country is too legally restricted...look at tourist pictures...all the same? Too many laws and regulations.
As a German from how it felt all my life whenever I tried to: "EYY DU ***** WAS FILMST DU MICH? DU WEISST SCHON DAS IST ILLEGAL?! DU **** *** *** * * ** ******" It's so damn obnoxious how many of us Germans switch to berserker mode as soon as they see a camera even if not directed at them.
Or if you try to record something as a trainspotter where the driver is in the picture (the train had no passengers) and some kids start screaming "youre not allowed to record other people without their consent" Guess what, the operator allows all legal non-commercial recordings and I even knew the driver so I basically had their consent because I do it somewhat regularly and its totally fine for them. The recording is somewhat ruined then of course...
Well about half of us Germans still have perfectly in mind how it was in the DDR. Ofc they wont be nice if someone random take photos or probably even videos.
In Germany, most of it is governed by the Urheberrechtsgesetz (the national "copyright law" as a somewhat inexact translation). Freedom of panorama has been part of that since ... more or less forever.
It wouldn't help anyone except law students. Part of the problem is that as well as laws, there are court rulings interpreting the laws. Thus it is a matter of a court ruling that the GDPR doesn't really apply to street photography and doesn't override existing German privacy laws relating to artistic freedom.
For Laws around Photographs and Videos there are GDPR, DSGVO, KunstUrhG, UrhG, LuftVO, BGB and GG. Thats basicly everything there is, it makes no sense to point each one out. The funny thing, all those make it harder and harder to do photographs and videos. What rewboss did, is compiling most (not all) of it into one video for tourists.
idk how it exactly works but there are places around in germany where if ya enter certain areas it will like straight up disable the camera on someones smartphone....?
@@ralfjansen9118 exactly, I don't know about cameras, but some modern drones (i think DJI for example) have maps of no fly zones like airports built in. Not sure if those have to be updated with the firmware or if the controller or drone actually need an internet connection (might be as those are quite often printed with a phone as a monitor) For smartphones, areas where the phone gets disabled might got confused with areas where there is no reception...
@@alexanderkupke920 There are devices named IMSI catcher which prevent the phone to connect to the real mobile network by pretending to be the best available connection but this can not stop the camera.
@@witerabid Obviously, that app was metaphorical. The point is that many people claim common sense, often in conflict with each other. It's mostly meaningless. Or how the saying goes, common sense is neither common nor sense.
@@KaiHenningsen Ok, mabe they just didn't look like common sense to me then... 🤔 To stick with the example from the Rubbernecking video, apparently a lot of people's common sense says it's ok to block emergency response personnel from helping injured people if it means they can get a great shot of the accident. Now, to me that just seems like they don't have common sense, but you're right, they might think they do... I guess that's precisely why we need laws and regulations for everything and can't trust common sense.
i don't know, but shouldn't this all be common sense? It's so often that I see people in the park or other public spaces just take out their phone and film other people they deem to be interesting without asking them for permission... not seldom during activities they certainly don't want to be shown randomly on the internet (e.g. drinking, smoking weed...)
Rewboss: "If you do decide to visit one of the classic tourist destinations, [...] try looking for a different angle." Also Rewboss: Mocks fictitious person for taking photograph of interesting patterns in the paving stones. 🤔
It is almost never okay. You must not fly over private property (without permission), federal roads, federal waterways, railway lines, crowds of people, nature reserves, prisons, hospitals, etc. You must not fly near airports or into flight corridors, and lots of cities have other restricted or no-fly zones -- most of central Berlin, for example, is a no-fly zone because of all the government buildings there. In most tourist destinations, you have to get a permit to be allowed to fly.
The short version at the end should be "don't be a prick". People who view their enjoyment as the most important are annoying. (I know how he meant it, just doing my german nitpicking duty)
@@rewboss to that point: as a volunteer fire fighter I've been to many accidents. It can happen that when driving along the autobahn you drive past the scene of an accident. If you then take out your phone and start filming and the police see you you'll be in a ton of trouble. If you're behind the wheel that's illegally using a phone. As a passenger technically there isn't much the police can do legally (unless you film an injured person for example, that's a criminal offense). I've experienced it many times though that the police would stop your car and verbally beat you up... they'll usually let you go without charge, but they'll make sure you'll have a holiday experience that will be engrained into your memory for many years to come...
Speaking of what not to post after you get done with your vacation: ANY out of focus or under/over exposed images. And for the love of God please do not post pictures in which the horizon is not LEVEL!!!
Some people, me also somewhat included, does not find pleasure in a place if I cannot share my experience with others. Others being separated by time and/or space. Which paradoxically can make a city more fun to watch through a camera lens than without one.
No, that's a myth: the licence number doesn't tell you anything about the driver or the owner of the vehicle. What the GDPR does is to make it illegal for anyone to publish a list of licence numbers and identify who they belong to. It might sometimes be a good idea to censor the licence number (I've done it a couple of times myself), but it's not usually a legal requirement.
@@rewboss Mhhh, as far as i understood it when it was explaind to me; Yes, as you say, the licence number doesnt identify someone. That argument was one of the german supreme court. The EU court/lawmakers saw that different. A lot of dashcam videos are being taken down due to the fact that you can see the licence plate. Maybe YT doesnt know what they are doing - i dont know. I, on a personal level, would like to see that more ppl would cencore them. But yeah, it might, after all, not be requierd at all.
@@florian9540 No, there's a lot of misinformation about this. The problem the courts had with dashcam footage was different and more complex: it was a case of somebody who had his dashcam on permanently in the hope of catching somebody doing something illegal so they could report them to the police, which was considered vigilantism. They were also uploading the footage in order to "name and shame" the drivers, but with exact GPS coordinates and timestamps, allowing anyone to precisely track exactly where the vehicle was and exactly when.
@@rewboss after all it came down to the basic focus/intention behind the pictures/videos, similar to taking pictures of people ... if the car+licence is the goal of the media it gets restricted/prohibited by law when it comes to usage/publication. If its just random details without relevance for the picture/film its free for all. Like with most things in german law context matters and the fineprint of laws makes that usually clear.
@@rewboss you seem to know your stuff (or at least pretend to🤭). Do you have sources that clarify the rules around license plates? I was aware of the pre-DSGVO situation, but lost track of what it's valid and what isn't...
Ha ha, the least favourite uncle who keeps everybody hostage for two hours while showing off his boring slides. We've all been there (i.e., seen it), and many of us have come dangerously close to replicating it.
you seem to not even have read the Wikipedia article on North Korea. We all know talking without knowing is something quite popular with your sort of jingoistic freedum fetishists, but do you have to make it that obvious?
It was never any different for Germany. The EU adapted most of what Germany already had in privacy laws. Its a result of history (DDR, with Stasi). It can't be over if it never began.
Photography in Germany: What Germans need to know
Germans do know this already but tourists can get into trouble if they do not know and act according.
@@blackforest_fairy Well, considering the way some of my fellow Germans behave, it does not seem like all of them know this.
Also: Do not take selfies in railroad tracks. If a train has to brake because someone is near or on the tracks, it's considered a criminal offence and will result in a fine of up to 5.000€ or - if you did something REALLY dangerous - a prison sentence of up to ten years.
And don’t take selfies if you are ugly
@@nothanks1545 There are filter apps which can fix that!
They don't help enough 😭
And many people died trying to make selfies with a arriving train
Its basically the same in the US. Walking on train tracks outside of public right of ways is trespassing which holds a chance for years in jail.
Your perfect reenactment of the slideshow night made me laugh so hard. Apparently things were the same here in Germany where I grew up and in England where you grew up. Just with the narration being in a different language, but absolutely the same style of presentation. :-D
The Eiffel Tower at night in Paris when lit up is an example of where copyrights tend to get people into unexpected litigation. German law would prevent that.
France is an example of a country without freedom of panorama, and the illuminations are a work of art protected by copyright. However, the owners don't go after tourists and amateurs, but they will sue professionals.
Jees, I am glad. I once photographed quite a lot from a iluminated church entrance in Amiens in France when I stumbled right into the show. Didnxt know it wasn't allowed. (Why someone tried to capture the light show with flash activated is beyond me though)
I LOVE your imitation of a dia show! The cringe is real. I endured many of these with my grandparents about their like 40th or 50th Mallorca vacation.
@@piceatall6962 Same thing happened when Christo wrapped buildings like the Reichstag in cloth. Temporary art installations are exempted from the freedom of panorama.
@@naneneunmalklug4032 You're probably talking about "Amiens - La Cathédrale en couleurs", which I've also photographed, but happily without any trouble or interference from either locals or officials, even with my tripod set up in the square in front of the crowd. I must have been very lucky!
@@kelvinp.coleman563 indeed! And yeah, I had no problems either and honestly I would makes pictures again of this as long as noone told me no. I understand and respect no photos in exhibitions or museums, no flash photos with light sensitive colors on publicly visibly art, but some restrictions don't make sense to me
Two museums explicitly allow taking photographs and videos for private purposes, that are the Technik Museums in Sinsheim and Speyer. You might even use a tripod or artificial lighting as long as it does not cause problems for other people. World's largest model railway, the Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg, not only permits taking private photographs and videos, it declares them desired and encourages visitors to share them in social media or on YT. Charging batteries is free and you can buy new ones or memory cards in the souvenir shop.
As soon as my kids are old enough, I want to take them to the Miniatur Wunderland. It's like a 5 hour drive for us but I'm sure they LOVE it.
And this is the friendly local we asked to take a picture of us in front of the Brandenburg Gate, in front of the Brandenburg Gate
I really felt the slideshow bit.
RewBosses general tips are right. I take photos for some time now and yes, do sort your pics, only show the best ones, and try to find new perspective. AND YES if you are on location, experience first. Take photographs later.
More people need to hear the message about taking pictures only for the 'Gram and actually being a nuisance. It's about what you experience on a trip, not about the "Likes" your pictures will get you.
"One of the worst forms of torture was the slide show."
True, so true ...
I'm not a software engineer, but I'm sure it could be done to restrict digital cameras to 36 pictures per day, the amount that fits on a classical film roll, or to 30 minutes of video.
As someone who has shot on classical film roll: You can swap them and continue taking photos. :D
But yeah, you think more about what you're actually shooting. _A lot_ more.
@Paul van Dinther Oh, I forgot something. Of course people should be restricted to buying a 36 images film once a month.
This is how I get along with this (non-profit) channel:
-Filming trains, trams, buses or just the city itself (castle) from public places: No problem at all.
- Filming DB stations: Usually no problem at all, they just forbid tripods, and you probably shouldn''t take your camera out at crowded, busy Hauptbahnhof.
-Filming on VAG premises: Technically you need a permission, but U2/U3 are conductorless trains so you can film there, no conductor can yell at you ;) There is CCTV there but they don't really care as long as you behave. When filming on the U1 (with drivers), trams and buses, I just use my phone camera and film in a inconspicious manner. Also, because of corona, but also because of privacy, I tend to go to the stations and places off-peak.
Both rail operators don't really care about privacy (as long as you don't go somewhere you should not be), they just don't trust people not to cross tracks or endanger passengers when filming.
So very true
When we travel we never go to the touristy spots. We can’t stand crowds and I prefer visiting places that are quieter and less known.
I find this way I experience more of the real country.
I did not take my kids to.Neuschwanstein,I visited it about 30 years ago and it was no where near as crowded as these days. We took our kids Berg Hohenzollern instead.
Thanks! This is the topic I've been looking for forever
So when can we expect the Rewboss onlyfans with pictures of feet on interesting cobblestones? :D
Es gibt auch die Instagram Diät: das Essen wir NUR fotografiert!
There is also the Instagram diet: the food is ONLY photographed!
I thought instagram diet meant staying off instagram for an extended time.
As someone with aphantastia, if I do not take photos of videos then I simply do not remember trips. I will remember facts like, there was a cute street with cute buildings, but I will not remember what it actually looked like. I think this is why I love making my vlogs and taking a million and twelve photos 😂
Great advice, another great video and a lot of good instruction about taking photos; anywhere - not just in Germany! Generally applicable!
Indeed.
Löffelliste? Großartig! Ich fürchte, das Wort werde ich nie wieder aus meinem Kopf herausbekommen^^
„Das Beste kommt zum Schluss“, ein wundervoller Film mit Jack Nicholson und Morgan Freeman, handelt von einer Löffelliste und mindestens seitdem ist Deutschen dieses Wort ein Begriff.
Leider gibt es dann so etwas wie den Sonic-Film, wo diese schöne Übersetzung von „Bucket List“ missachtet wird.
Once I was whale-watching with a huge camera, there was only one hunchback showing his fin one time. I took a foto, but after that I realized, I haven'T seen it really with my eyes, only through the lense. So I absolutly confirm Andrews experience.
We have very similar photography ordinances in Quebec regarding privacy. It should be easy enough to avoid offending the local population....or so I hope.
This is me and Martha in front of the Brandenburg Gate with the Spanish Inquisition!
Very well explained. Granted, a 7 minute video is not enough to go into depth of ask the legal details that even law scholars argue about.
One thing to always keep in mind is that privacy laws in Germany differ fundamentally from e.g. UK and US.
While in the US you generally do not have an expectation of privacy in a public forum, this is very different in Germany. Your privacy is protected in Germany even in public unless some exemptions apply...
Excellent advice Andrew, i hope you are well
😄😄😄😄😄 You're so funny! And I totally agree with you about what not to post on IG. And thank you for your advices and suggestions.
Great video of a summary of 7 different Law texts (directive 95/46/EC, BDSG, KunstUrhG, UrhG, LuftVO, BGB and GG). If anything, I'd probably add that better not to use camera drones without explicitedly be allowed by authorites. The filming/photo on private property applies to them aswell ofc, making drone flights over homes and private propertys problematic atleast.
Actually, that's six: GDPR is just the English for DSGVO.
@@rewboss yes they are kinda the same, but not quite. I tend to think of the European legal text as gdpr and the German one dsgvo, when it schould be called „directive 95/46/EC“ instead of gdpr. Sorry, it gets confusing what people are actually talking about, most Americans and people from other countries reference with gdpr the European rules not the member states own rules. There are quite a bit of differences in the member states versions.
I will edit the list, since it’s partly wrong
Well, I feel a bit guilty now. I took a photo of that Rothenburg ob der Tauber street. (Mind you, 12 years ago. Does that make a difference?)
Not really.
I took four rolls of film with the lens cap on -- and you are going to look at every one.
When my wife and I were in Germany (around Munich), we visited Neuschwanstein Castle and did the cliche touristy picture from the footbridge. But the more interesting picture looked along the bridge at the throngs of people and the guard limiting how many were on it a any given time. This was the "un-fairy tail" view but every bit of the experience!
German say they value their privacy, so they don’t like cameras pointing at them…but they will stare at you with their eyes and not mind there own business. They will judge you and correct you at the slightest infraction. Some privacy.
Germans stare as a matter of course. I lived there for 12 years and got used to it. But it's still really weird, neurotic behaviour. Dunno if Austrians stare, too.
My aunt once texted me saying that I needed to take down some pictures that I'd uploaded to Facebook because I didn't have the permission of the people in the pictures to upload them - not 'could' I take them down, but I 'needed' to!
Now, I didn't argue with her because she is a solicitor and would therefore probably know better than I do what the legal situation is, but they were taken in locations that were fully accessible to the public and anyone could therefore have happened to see those people anyway, so what difference does it make if it's in a picture? If anyone that's in a picture wants me to take it down then I will, but otherwise it's staying put. Besides, it was rather bold of her to assume that I didn't have those people's permission - for all she knew, I might have done!
I did the first Rothenburg o.d.T shot but also 65 others, and the first only because it is Mêlée Island town.
Oh, I didn't know that :D
You fight like a cow! 🤺
6:12 And this is the Spanish Inquisition hiding behind a coal shed.
I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
@@ObiWahnKnobi Nor did I! That history meme is the internet's version of Waldo!
Thank you! Even as a long-time-German-now-Austrian I did not know many of the legal details that you explain in the video.
just because u move to another country that does not change your nationality
@@blackforest_fairy Especially when a German moves into another German country
Photograph anything you want anywhere you want !
There's one exception to the "freedom of panorama": temporary art installations. Publishing photos of these might be a copyright violation.
Not only might, if not explicitedly allowed, its a violation.
I missed the point with Dashcams and the publishing of plate signs. Maybe in another vid?
And whatever you do, do not try to get the facade of the Dom in Cologne in a single shot. Your time is too precious.
Hello Rewboss - as always, enjoyed your advice - this time on social principles in relationship to photography in Germany. 1. I enjoyed your forays into nana advice somewhat less - a bit patronising and superior. People can decide for themselves what they want from their experience.
2. Did you fail to touch on photography of children or did I miss it? In Australia it is not acceptable to photograph other people's children, especially at swimming pools etc. without knowing them or having permission. It is part of the fear of wierdos thing.
6:19 Anyone else waiting for THE SPANISH INQUISITION?
YES
This is true not just in Deutschland. But pretty everywhere else in the welt!
To be honest, I don't think your slideshow analogy really works, because the difference with uploading pictures to your social media is that you're not forcing anyone to look through them by doing that and they can just browse at their leisure. If they see anything they don't find particularly interesting then they can just skip it
If a unwanted subject walks into your frame you should stop closing your off camera eye and scan what is happening outside your frame. Spacial awareness and that ...
Damn, I just visited the Bastei last week. That burn…
had to remove a video from youtube of the carnival as one person complained
Couldn't you have just edited the video and blurred the grinch?
6:16 Ah, yes, the Dia Show from hell...
Today that can be accomplished on the telly with digital and it's not 120+ pictures, it's 400...
Can you help me with an advice? I'd like to take photos of trucks driving on German highways. Is this allowed?
Shouldn't be much of a problem. Before publishing, license plates and the driver's face should be censored. But then, be careful with advise you get from strangers in the internet 🤭
What you don't know you can't complain. There are nice apps to do it without making people notice
We re taking more pictures because it is easier, cheaper, more disposable, etc. In the past you needed a roll of film that needed to be developed and if those pictures were bad money was lost. Nowadays no money is lost taking pictures and you can take thousands, free of charge, no need to take them to the lab to process the film.
Also: Never take a picture of an eating German. You take a picture of the food but never how it is being eaten.
Nobody wants to see how it is eaten - and definetely not the beer belly, too... :-)
What about a crocodile eating a German? Like on safari.
I once sat in a public transport train in my city, and there were some young girls, tourists from America, maybe in their high school age or something. One of them posed for a picture quite next to me, and the other one shot the photo in such a way that I was also on it, although she wante to photograph her friend. I asked her "Could you please delete that", and she complied, even gesturingly held up her phone to me really quick "look, it's deleted", although I couldn't see that I still believed her, because she did give me an honest impression. Anyways, I don't appreciate being photographed, especially not when the picture is likely to end up on the internet somewhere. When I'm not really recognizeable in the background, I guess it has to be fine, I possibly wouldn't even know that, but the way the described situation happened, I would have taken a considerable part of the photograph. And being on the internet for about as long as Google exists, having kept it clean from photos of me, I really don't want to start showing my face online in a time when it could also be seen by biometric facial recognition algorithms. I wouldn't even care if any real human being who read this comment could see my face, but since these algorithms could also see it then, and they would be able to identify me on any other picture from that as well, this gives me the creeps. It is a great jeopardy to the freedom in our societies. Not people, algorithms are the problem.
Don’t worry about being on random photos… do you have a phone? Or any bank cards? That’s where surveillance happens
@@lindsaywebb1904 My phone runs on SailfishOS, without Google, Apple, Microsoft or Amazon. The secondary phone does run an AOSP custom ROM, but without Google apps, so there shouldn't be any spyware on there either. Bank cards I have, but they're in an RFID-safe compartment, *and* I only use them at the ATM to draw cash, with which I then pay everything.
@@Seegalgalguntijak wow. That's pretty dedicated. That means only your phone carrier and bank knows where you've been. Just hope your country of choice don't open their photo ID records. In Australia a couple of years ago, they changed legislation permitting law enforcement to access licence and passport photo databases so they can run it against cctv footage. All in the name of public safety of course. Not quite Chinese standard but that's how it starts.
@@lindsaywebb1904 And 99.9% of the time I only use the same ATM - that which is nearest to my home (which the bank must know anyways). As for totalitarianism, yes, that's on the rise here in German as well. They now mandate you to put fingerprints into the normal passport that every German needs (with which you can basically only travel freely throughout the EU and a few other countries). But I also like to differentiate between surveillance by the state, and by private parties like corporations (the so-called surveillance capitalism). While I generally tend to trust the state to be true to its own laws, I know corporations will do whatever makes them more money/gives them more influence, and try to get away with, so I would never assume about Google, Facebook and so on that they actually abide by the GDPR, they just don't get caught. And when you see what is possible in regards of manipulation (i.e. the Cambridge Analytica thing), you really don't want any private party (which is basically uncontrolled/uncontrollable at a certain size/power) to have that much power...
I am sure part of the reason people take the boring pictures is because they know they are safe in a legal sense...how can you tell a country is too legally restricted...look at tourist pictures...all the same? Too many laws and regulations.
As a German from how it felt all my life whenever I tried to:
"EYY DU ***** WAS FILMST DU MICH? DU WEISST SCHON DAS IST ILLEGAL?! DU **** *** *** * * ** ******"
It's so damn obnoxious how many of us Germans switch to berserker mode as soon as they see a camera even if not directed at them.
Or if you try to record something as a trainspotter where the driver is in the picture (the train had no passengers) and some kids start screaming "youre not allowed to record other people without their consent" Guess what, the operator allows all legal non-commercial recordings and I even knew the driver so I basically had their consent because I do it somewhat regularly and its totally fine for them. The recording is somewhat ruined then of course...
Sie haben mich ins Gesicht gefilmt!
Well about half of us Germans still have perfectly in mind how it was in the DDR. Ofc they wont be nice if someone random take photos or probably even videos.
You aren't a serious photographer unless somebody has called you a terrorist for what you do ...
Nice video, but if this is legal advice you should really reference whatever law you're referring to (GDPR I guess?)
In Germany, most of it is governed by the Urheberrechtsgesetz (the national "copyright law" as a somewhat inexact translation). Freedom of panorama has been part of that since ... more or less forever.
It wouldn't help anyone except law students. Part of the problem is that as well as laws, there are court rulings interpreting the laws. Thus it is a matter of a court ruling that the GDPR doesn't really apply to street photography and doesn't override existing German privacy laws relating to artistic freedom.
For Laws around Photographs and Videos there are GDPR, DSGVO, KunstUrhG, UrhG, LuftVO, BGB and GG. Thats basicly everything there is, it makes no sense to point each one out. The funny thing, all those make it harder and harder to do photographs and videos. What rewboss did, is compiling most (not all) of it into one video for tourists.
@@varana nice profile picture
idk how it exactly works but there are places around in germany where if ya enter certain areas it will like straight up disable the camera on someones smartphone....?
Certainly not. But better drones, for example, know GPS and are programmed to respect explicit no-flight-zones.
@@ralfjansen9118 exactly, I don't know about cameras, but some modern drones (i think DJI for example) have maps of no fly zones like airports built in. Not sure if those have to be updated with the firmware or if the controller or drone actually need an internet connection (might be as those are quite often printed with a phone as a monitor)
For smartphones, areas where the phone gets disabled might got confused with areas where there is no reception...
@@alexanderkupke920 There are devices named IMSI catcher which prevent the phone to connect to the real mobile network by pretending to be the best available connection but this can not stop the camera.
Photography rules for Germany =Common sense
Yeah, but most people don't have that app installed...
@@witerabid I'd rather say that there almost as many apps for that as there are, say, Android anti-virus apps ... with comparable quality.
@@KaiHenningsen common sense apps? 🤔 I've never seen one...
@@witerabid Obviously, that app was metaphorical. The point is that many people claim common sense, often in conflict with each other. It's mostly meaningless. Or how the saying goes, common sense is neither common nor sense.
@@KaiHenningsen Ok, mabe they just didn't look like common sense to me then... 🤔 To stick with the example from the Rubbernecking video, apparently a lot of people's common sense says it's ok to block emergency response personnel from helping injured people if it means they can get a great shot of the accident. Now, to me that just seems like they don't have common sense, but you're right, they might think they do... I guess that's precisely why we need laws and regulations for everything and can't trust common sense.
i don't know, but shouldn't this all be common sense? It's so often that I see people in the park or other public spaces just take out their phone and film other people they deem to be interesting without asking them for permission... not seldom during activities they certainly don't want to be shown randomly on the internet (e.g. drinking, smoking weed...)
5:32 100%
Löffelliste? As translation for bucket list?
Apparently so. I was skeptical myself, but I found lots of examples of it in the wild, so at least some Germans understand it.
Bucket = Eimer oder Behälter allgemein
@@rewboss
I've never heard it. But, I know, I'm no reference point.
@@rewboss As a German aged 61, I'd never heard that one. But I will admit it's not more incomprehensible than the English "bucket list".
It means, things you want to do, before Du den Löffel abgibst. As untranslatable as watching radish from below.
Rewboss: "If you do decide to visit one of the classic tourist destinations, [...] try looking for a different angle."
Also Rewboss: Mocks fictitious person for taking photograph of interesting patterns in the paving stones.
🤔
The drone advice is not completely correct. Flying daytime in public places is OK.
It is almost never okay. You must not fly over private property (without permission), federal roads, federal waterways, railway lines, crowds of people, nature reserves, prisons, hospitals, etc. You must not fly near airports or into flight corridors, and lots of cities have other restricted or no-fly zones -- most of central Berlin, for example, is a no-fly zone because of all the government buildings there. In most tourist destinations, you have to get a permit to be allowed to fly.
Something unexpected can happen so caution is recommended.
Unexpected as say, politicians?
This sounds like simple common sense. Why would anyone infringe someone's privacy just for like?
The short version at the end should be "don't be a prick". People who view their enjoyment as the most important are annoying. (I know how he meant it, just doing my german nitpicking duty)
you underestimate the different patterns of paving stones!!! 😂
And taking photos of car accident on the road is illegal
I made a video about that a couple of months ago, but I'm guessing that tourists visiting for just a few days are unlikely to encounter an accident.
@@rewboss to that point: as a volunteer fire fighter I've been to many accidents. It can happen that when driving along the autobahn you drive past the scene of an accident.
If you then take out your phone and start filming and the police see you you'll be in a ton of trouble.
If you're behind the wheel that's illegally using a phone. As a passenger technically there isn't much the police can do legally (unless you film an injured person for example, that's a criminal offense). I've experienced it many times though that the police would stop your car and verbally beat you up... they'll usually let you go without charge, but they'll make sure you'll have a holiday experience that will be engrained into your memory for many years to come...
I had no idea that the slideshow wasn’t just a sin committed by us Americans.
Lol yes, slideshows, the bane of my youth!
Speaking of what not to post after you get done with your vacation: ANY out of focus or under/over exposed images.
And for the love of God please do not post pictures in which the horizon is not LEVEL!!!
If only Instagram is a paid service ??!!😢😢
I would like to give more than one like(s).
Some people, me also somewhat included, does not find pleasure in a place if I cannot share my experience with others. Others being separated by time and/or space. Which paradoxically can make a city more fun to watch through a camera lens than without one.
I mean, you arent really allowed to take a pic from licence plates. DSGVO sagt Nein.
No, that's a myth: the licence number doesn't tell you anything about the driver or the owner of the vehicle. What the GDPR does is to make it illegal for anyone to publish a list of licence numbers and identify who they belong to.
It might sometimes be a good idea to censor the licence number (I've done it a couple of times myself), but it's not usually a legal requirement.
@@rewboss Mhhh, as far as i understood it when it was explaind to me;
Yes, as you say, the licence number doesnt identify someone. That argument was one of the german supreme court.
The EU court/lawmakers saw that different.
A lot of dashcam videos are being taken down due to the fact that you can see the licence plate.
Maybe YT doesnt know what they are doing - i dont know.
I, on a personal level, would like to see that more ppl would cencore them.
But yeah, it might, after all, not be requierd at all.
@@florian9540 No, there's a lot of misinformation about this. The problem the courts had with dashcam footage was different and more complex: it was a case of somebody who had his dashcam on permanently in the hope of catching somebody doing something illegal so they could report them to the police, which was considered vigilantism. They were also uploading the footage in order to "name and shame" the drivers, but with exact GPS coordinates and timestamps, allowing anyone to precisely track exactly where the vehicle was and exactly when.
@@rewboss after all it came down to the basic focus/intention behind the pictures/videos, similar to taking pictures of people ... if the car+licence is the goal of the media it gets restricted/prohibited by law when it comes to usage/publication. If its just random details without relevance for the picture/film its free for all.
Like with most things in german law context matters and the fineprint of laws makes that usually clear.
@@rewboss you seem to know your stuff (or at least pretend to🤭). Do you have sources that clarify the rules around license plates?
I was aware of the pre-DSGVO situation, but lost track of what it's valid and what isn't...
Beware of Hutbürger!
In a nutshell: Enjoy the real life and don't live for the likes. And respect german privacy rules. Thank you!
Hi there!
You look more German than most Germans.
Sie haben mir ins Gesicht gefilmt, das dürfen sie nicht!
We're having some serious thunderstorms in Warsaw right now...
How is this relevant to anything presented in the video?
do they flashlight at the museum?
Ha ha, the least favourite uncle who keeps everybody hostage for two hours while showing off his boring slides. We've all been there (i.e., seen it), and many of us have come dangerously close to replicating it.
Sie haben mir ins Gesicht gefilmt! Das dürfen sie nicht! Das dürfen sie nicht!
this is my foot lolololool
"back into lockdown"? We never left the lockdown since the end of last year...
Weirdo
Fotografieren Sie nicht!
Good tip - don't go in germany, just choose good country for travel
Like in north korea
Not even close. That's an absurd comparison.
you seem to not even have read the Wikipedia article on North Korea.
We all know talking without knowing is something quite popular with your sort of jingoistic freedum fetishists, but do you have to make it that obvious?
The era of tourism is over.
It was never any different for Germany. The EU adapted most of what Germany already had in privacy laws. Its a result of history (DDR, with Stasi). It can't be over if it never began.