Employment Struggles for Late Diagnosed Autistic People
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Last 2 boss called me dumb. Bullying doesn't stop out of school. It gets worse.
FACTS.
#1. You're not dumb. You are different. #2. Bullies mostly get older & bigger & never stop not only their bad habit, but refuse to grow up & out of their mental health issues that belong in jail or prison. I know. I substitute taught in the school system & in a large building with other mail carriers. Believe me. I can tell you who used to cut to the front of the line for a drink of water & think nothing of it when they are now an adult with that exact same behavior. =(
I’m so sorry! That’s so freaking cruel and disrespectful from them! As a person with autism don’t let these assholes stop you from achieving your dreams you can do anything.
I had a couple of coworkers who called me names too. Workplace bullying is a thing.
I can fake it for years with a job. But I will always fail.
The worst is when you fake it for so long you get burnout so strong that you can't fake it anymore, ask me how I know
I had the best job in the world working for the sweetest lady I've ever met; she was like a second mother to me and she was the mother of two of my classmates from high school.
She understood me! She ended up passing away and that job became just like all the others except for one that I would probably still be at if it hadn't closed😢
I couldn’t even get proper accommodations at 🍎 and had to medically separate. It can feel like they want us to go die in a corner.
Oh they do
I agree.
that's exactly what they want us to do
Please don't go die in a corner ❣
I NEED YOU ALL!!!
PLEASE 💓?
IF you do ... I will have to TOO😮
WE CAN'T LET THEM DO THAT TO US❣❣❣❣❣
PLEASE KNOW YOU ARE LOVED💞🙏BY more than just ME💯
@@RenayEmond 🫂 it doesn’t feel like it’s our choice
It's rough out there just looking and new jobs are so difficult. The smells, the sounds, the people!
I dislike all of it too.
The stats for anyone who wants them:
Unemployment rate for autistic college graduates: 85%.
Again: Eighty-five percent.
That's of course not counting _under_employment, which was my work experience.
I was managing editor for a (rather affluent) community newspaper in the 1990s, with a staff of 32.
My monthly salary was a princely $500.
I didn't know I was autistic then. All I knew was that job interviewers would accept my resume/application, ask a few pro forma questions, and promptly forget I existed.
So I'd work hard in several less formal part-time jobs at a time, and get a stipend insufficient to sustain myself, and periodically seek help from one of my parents, who were neurotypical and couldn't understand why I couldn't get and hold a responsible job like normal people, and my mother would periodically helpfully inform me that I was "crazed."
Very relatable
@@user-tp8zz3ts3r : Of course, "normal" is in the eye of the beholder, and one man's "abnormal" is another's "above normal." 😸
So true, never had a job longer than a year all my life, feels like it's not what you know but who you know most days.
Oh it is
I lasted 3 months!
I lost a job in the spring as to what I feel was autistic issues. Since then I fail miserably in the interviews. Being late diagnosed and 58 and unable to mask for any period of time has turned my life upside down even more.
I understand
I do coaching for how to get through these issues, this man is dropping facts
Every boss and manager I've ever interacted with has told me I do an amazing performance at every job I've ever tried to do I just have a big problem when it comes to attendance. Very rarely do I get all 40 hours in in a "9-5" job and the last job I had they expected me to do 50 and every week I always got the 40 in and more than a few 50/50+ but I didn't always get the 50 and ended up getting fired.
I don't know exactly why I can't seem to kick myself of this horrible habit😢
It took me 110 applications to get a job after being fired from my previous job because I stopped doing more work than everyone else when I was told I couldn't have a promotion/new function cuz of my autism
Here's a positive story: In Finland where I live, I read that there's a company who's made the decision to hire only autistic people for a certain role, some secretary position I don't really remember. But they'd decided that the autistic brain's ability to conceptualise things in an ig autistic way is better suited for that position. I think that's really cool
I always hear positives about Finland, except for alcoholism and depression but that's common everywhere. Maybe it's time for me to learn the language and move to the most civilised country on Earth?
I hate that I constantly work the overnight shift. But I do prefer it to the emotional roller-coaster I would experience working a day shift. Not that associates are mean or bully me... they just don't include me.
Haven't been able to keep anything more than 5 months lately tbh 😢
same
This is too true
You can ask for accommodations in the work place without disclosing why in the U.S. I've done this before, no questions asked. "I need closed captions" "I need clear deadlines" "I need you to email the information to me" "I need to be able to wear headphones/ear buds and listen to music". They legally cannot ask why as long as it is a reasonable accommodation they need to provide it.
There shouldn't be game playing at the workplace. I've been there & left that due to health issues possibly due to their constant game playing harassment in the workplace. No morals in that place. Game playing at my doctor's office. My doctor has no control over that either. I asked him yesterday via video chat if I could possibly have "autism". He told me "no", it would of been caught early in my life. That's not true because of my parents & growing up in the '60's. Through Orion's honest education & my son being an Aspie himself, I do look back in my life & strongly consider I very well could be an Aspie easily. I've always been different. Quality doctors are getting more difficult to find in the USA, especially since C-19.
Absolutely spot on with every point raised.
My late diagnosis explains my past multiple struggles at work and why I found it best to eventually find a (my) niche so becoming self-employed 🤔
Knew since I was 14 but I was diagnosed at 19, dropped out of school in 7th grade. I couldn't go to school anymore, I was completely burnt out. Laid in bed for 2 years. My back was broken from abuse and I have chronic lifelong pain. I can't drive, I don't have a GED. I applied for disability at 19 and I've been denied twice over the course of 5 years because of lack of access to proper treatment for autism and cPTSD. My case is still ongoing but I hope I will finally win, my situation is different, being in therapy and getting my back checked out this time. It's been 5 years of hell, really. Getting on SSI would change my entire life for the better, because I know for a fact I would never ever be able to hold onto a traditional job without getting burnt, I know my limits and they are not up to par with neurotypical standards, and there's no workplaces that offer the accommodations needed to employ autistic disabled people. There's no support.
Are they taking into account your physical disability? I hope so.
I think it's bullsh@t that an officially diagnosed autistic person struggles to receive disability. 😡
Before I found out that I am autistic and I needed disability for two other conditions, I went through a service based in California that takes down all your information and applies for you. They do all the communicating for their clients. It is a free service, and they also got me payments from months before the approval (I think it is called retroactive).
The only thing that they receive for their services is a one time small percentage of the initial sum that you receive.
I have reccomended this to a few friends that were struggling to get approved, and they all got approved! It only took a few months.
This is just some advice because if it could make it any bit easier for you, that would be some reduced stress off of you.
I wish you the best of luck in your journey ahead❤
I've had 90 jobs and have been on the dole in the States. Back living with my parents at 48 :(
It isn't my Asperger's or my physical blindness that holds me back, its the IBS. No one is going to hire someone who calls out at the last minute, or who runs to the bathroom every five minutes.
I’m an early diagnosed autistic and I can’t do shit
Same I was diagnosed at 26
Same. Been diagnosed since grade school. It really doesn't make a difference.
Same, diagnosed at age 15. I've given it all I've got. Survived school, college, uni, college again, 4 jobs and a burnout in a pear tree 🫠 No but really, I'm having to slowly allow for self acceptance that I may never be able to put myself through it again
Yes, you can do things. Give yourself a break & keep on listening to Orion. =)
When to disclose to perspective employers is a literal mountain of a decision. Do tell them before the interview, during or after. Am I being deceptive not telling them until after I get the job.
Also, if I disclose before I get the job will I get or get that email, we've found a better candidate, good luck on your search.
After so many of it becomes very degrading to keep searching.
Screw having a job. Be self-employed and let yourself work the way and hours that suit you.
How
Um no it’s not. How are you going to take care of your self or living on your own with less money?
Never had a job longer than 3.5 years. Went self-employed, that lasted about 15. Now a taxi driver. The interactions with customers helps a lot. Had problems with an imbecile of a team manager, but he got fired - it was all him being just an obnoxious c*nt, half of our drivers hated him.
I hate c@nt managers! They make everything so tense and difficult!😡
Yeah. There are no jobs that I can do which won't cause me harm. Pushing through always landed me in burnt-out which was misdiagnosed as depression. Though the symptoms are the same so never know which was actual depression, yet the burnout is always the one that would hit and I'd lose my ability to work.
Stupidly enough I'm autistic and work in customer service. But I'm just masking like a pro, but I would do that anyway when I socialise. But I suck at playing the employment game, self evaluations, standing up for myself etc. I go to work, do my thing, go home. Sleep till midday on my days off to recharge.
hugs
You're not alone, this is definitely what I do on the daily, plus going to college. No one knows that I'm masking in order to survive.
Exactly! Well said. Thank you Orion.
I spent most if my life foing shoet term contracts, free lance etc, later in life I fid 4 day weeks. I only managed to get the work by being bloody good at what I did, vompared to those who had the capacity for socialising. After my late dignosis my psychiatrist told that I would suit self employment and a 4 day working wk. Lol. I was already doing it. The only way I vould hold down work.
I have worked as a teacher for 4 months and it was hell. The students being assholes never helped either (it was a private school.) Then I learned I might be on the spectrum by my psychiatrist and everything started to make sense. I’m glad I can live without a job (for now at least) but life is not always kind. Idk how an official diagnosis would affect my “employability.” I feel like learning 3D design and working at home but I can’t make up my mind about it. A few days ago I felt like I would do well as a patisserie chef 😅 How do I get out of this rut??
Beware of design jobs. The ppl are egotistical and rude sometimes. Sounds better than it actually is - I speak from experience.
@@brettburnside1457 like any kind of job I guess 😅
I hope you can find some way of supporting yourself that works for you. Never compromise on your health... nothing is worth long-term burnout.
@@badcaseofstripes exactly, I remember being burned out so bad that the paychecks I got felt like blood money 😅😅😅
I had a job for 2 years. Ever since I told em I am autistic they started to bully me,threaten me, set me up to fail(overloading me with work),etc. I eventually pranked one of the bullies, and got fired.
😂😂 how did you prank them?
boss/teacher when bully victim fights back: *surprised pikachu face*
@@dedmu5793 firecrackers under their tires. Someone liked to have fireworks tossed at me in the restroom, I eventually got tired of it.
When I was young I couldn't hold any employment but centrelink diagnosed me with ADHD as well as their assessor. How does one get tested for Autism? I'm in my late 30's, I was in my mid 20's diagnosed with ADHD
Depends which country that you live in.
Just do a Google search about how it’s done in your country. In mine you need to see a psychiatrist in a state hospital and get the necessary tests done.
@@Catlily5 Australia
In mine, USA, you ask your PCP Primary Care Physician for a referral or pay out of pocket.
@@RAM_845 I don't know about Australia, but you might check if Orion has a diagnosis video.
I’m an autistic 18 year old who was diagnosed at a very young age (because of my older brother with severe autism) and I’m currently in a post secondary program that helps people with mild developmental disabilities to learn the skills to find and maintain a job including social skills. It’s going great so far.
I have a person I knew from NSW Australia. She’s a family friend. I strongly suspect she could be on the spectrum. But she’s one of the lucky ones. Managed to work, mostly one job. What I heard last is she had enough saved up to retire early.
I've found a little GPT goes a long way. 🤷♀️ It's definitely a hack to get around awkward emails. I'll use it to translate what they were asking me for and then I use it to help me send it response back.
I can mask my ass off in an interview and they like me until the office bullies snuff me out; call me rude for being logical, weird, uncooperative, blah blah blah or I’m overworked until I have a meltdown. Being a woman of color adds another layer to the discrimination too. Rinse, lather, repeat. I’m 38. I’m in school now studying law but the more I think about the more anxious I get that this is probably a horrible field for me to be in. This is a civil rights issue and neurodivergent workers need to be protected in the workforce because it is hardly ever from lack of ability to actually DO our jobs.
So true
In so many ways I would rather have been blind then have ASD, they have accommodations for the blind because it's obvious,
I've lost 50+ jobs since I turned 18. Mostly because I meltdown before work frequently, even if I like the job. The transition to work REALLY takes me out. So attendance has been a huge problem. But beyond that, once I "mess up" or call out because of a meltdown, I feel like people are judging me and I've "ruined it" even though it's unreasonable. I'll end up leaving before they have a chance to discipline me for the attendance, or heaven forbid, if I've actually melted down at work.
It's so hard to know now that maybe I could've helped myself in some jobs if I'd only known what was happening and why. I had an amazing job I loved last year, but I had a meltdown and this one manager took it sort of personally. They called me into the office and wanted me to sign a document that stated I had "stomped around" the clinic and that I was an "unprofessional" worker. I ended up having a meltdown as I left that job because of the accusations. The manager clapped her hands in my face to try and snap me into reality, and I screamed at her "yeah, because that's so professional!" looking back on it, I think that if I knew what was happening, I would've handled that whole reprimand situation totally differently. And I think they would've too, because there would've been an explanation. It's so hard. I'm unemployed right now. Trying so hard to find something that will honor my recently formed accommodations.
I had an autistic coworker that was recently fired. Worked with her for around 10yrs. We all knew she is autistic & from my point of view she was able to do the job fine with no accommodations. She even worked grocery through the pandemic which was hard even for an NT. She was told she could get an ADA or be terminated & she refused. Not sure how it is with autism but I tried getting an ADA for adhd because they put me on an erratic schedule that I can't handle. I was told I wouldn't be given an ADA because I made it this far without one. I think it was unfair to suddenly force ger into getting an ADA & judging from my experience it seems like they are just trying to force the ND's out.
I tend to burn out, autistic or otherwise, and quit my job before 3 years is up. I'm worried that I'll become unhirable if it keeps up.
I'm 37, diagnosed with ADHD & Autism last year. I lasted 8 years in my last job, I had A LOT of time off in those 8 years though, haven't worked for 3 years now but the job centre here in the UK are forcing me to go in every day now and apply for jobs 😢
I struggle with keeping a job constantly and I hate it so much 😢
I was a good worker but I could NOT handle complaints ask for a raise or time off I needed for important reasons. But I worked HARD and made it something I could hyperfocus on.
Yes I do my job but they say I’m not enthusiastic within my office. Now if they fire me can I sue them for discrimination?
My income! The diagnosis does nothing!
This is timely and accurate. I'm back on the market myself 😩 but currently in a burnout so....womp womp
being autistic is like, be 22 years old, with 2 year employment gap, been employed 24 times (i literaly just gave up on getting a jog and doing some gigs time to time, r8 now i have 26 and had around 27-28 jobs, longest time i have been employed was 3 months, 6 if you count 3 months of lockdowns)
I've had 90 jobs. It's a nightmare.
@@brettburnside1457 i dont think i have mental capacity to continue to get to 90
I love your shirt!
Spot on🙌🏼🫵🏽👍🏽
The thing what I have a problem with some of the programs that hire people with special needs is that they think after graduating it’s fine. No it’s not cause the REAL WORLD is so different from a program.
The realisation that my 13 yr career has actually been spread across 13 companies - and now diagnosed audhd this makes sense - maybe it's the job maybe it's me 🤷♀️
It is hard to maintain especialy if you dont have spatial awareness or peripheral vision.
Autism means just being different and humans lie so are threatened by us
No it means you are handicapped at daily living.
Bartender - perfect proportions
Retail - perfect till
Transport Reservations - acurate scriping and consistat databases
And so much more
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Yes