Goku Never Achieved Super Saiyan DEBUNKED!
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2025
- Recently, a particular video within the headcanon community has gotten the attention of hundreds of thousands of people, which unironically has a high like to dislike ratio, even though the information is outright incorrect. Did Goku truly never obtain the super Saiyan transformation? Is the yellow-haired Super Saiyan form actually the Super Saiyan "Omen"? Is there any proof to imply the Saiyan form with the green aura is the "real" Super Saiyan form or is it just a bunch of hot air? Sit back and relax as I cover information from not only the Dragon Ball series, but also from the guides and the author himself.
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Been noticing that several DBTubers are trying to get views from the little scraps of headcanon they can find. So, let's shut this down real quick.
Doulie is trying to connect the grean aura from dragon ball super movie villain has and the one that none Canon character like brory has and say the that's the real super saiyan it is said in manga that,that's the super saiyan .so who is he to deny that.
You did not Debunk that video
100%
LeaderOfTheLostSouls yeah. In fact , the dude put king thanos above jiren and beerus yet he has no idea that current base thanos is closer to the level of king thanos ( since he beat him up ) and is actually beyond the infinity gauntlet. The crap you will find on the internet is astonishing. Dragon ball has it worse than marvel . People are downplaying Dragon ball left and right. It's super annoying. They deny facts.
i would say yes and no about the thano jiren situation. if it was in the marvel verse yes he would but if it was in the db verse no since the gauntlet wouldn't work in any other verse
LordKai if it were in a neutral universe. Besides , watch chucks video on powersacalibg thanos. He is currently stronger than the gauntlet on his own. This is chucks word , not mine.
Akira Toriyama never actually made dragonball z
Zwagger 19 you mean anima
Dia Sabah im sorry for my mistake 😢
Zwagger 19 *Sorry Toriyama never made Manga
Zwagger 19 he only made DBZ omen
I did
haven't even watch the video all I'm going to say is it doesn't even need debunking.
Just A Robot 2 lmaooo fr
Just A Robot 2 Exactly my man. There are niggas out there who make blatantly wrong videos just so they can get views and revenue from the ensuing debunks. And considering Broku already debunked this last month, I'd say the man succeeded. Not that that matters or that I didn't want this video to come out, though.
I didn't watch it all but it's full bulldhit lol
Just a Robot Yez
Just A Robot 2 guess I know what debunk video you're working on next!!
Kidding 😹😹
Goku never learned the Kamehameha
Nick Name Goku was never born
What the hell is DragonBall?
Shenron hasn't granted any wishes
Frieza never blew up Planet Vegeta.
dbz is really just dbz omen. db super is the true dbz
Plot Twist
Goku is Kryptonian.
Malystryx imagine if that was possible though? Lol
What if he was half saiyan and half kryptonian
@@ihavebadnamingsense1916 Supes would be fucked into the next week.
More like.... Kryptonian Saiyan😎😎😎😎😎 YEAAAAAAAAAAH
No bruh
"Goku never achieved super saiyan" -100 brain cells
I thought you said ssj100
Are you saying that it took away 100 brain cells or that that phrase only consists of 100 total brain cells?
Either is fine but the latter is more accurate.
Shinku no Yami it took away brain cells
Big boy brain
It is both
Super Saiyan Berserker is about as peaceful as a tidal wave
A jar of pickles nice one dude a part of a Galaxy
Mighty Raccoon hello there
I think you mean an angry dragon
A jar of pickles GENERAL KENOBI!!!
You mean a Tsunami right?
Goku never was a Saiyan and his Attack is Kienzan
MajinBlue u still crazy Blue i see
it all makes sense now O:
No your Content is bad af
God Virus Dbs nobody gives a fuck about your channel go earn your subs.
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Geekdom101 yo geek ma boiii
👀
Toriyama said super saiyan god via ritual is what yamoshi had tho...
I'm a big fan of yours Geekdom!
Geekdom101 😀
Goku never achieved instant transmission
Goku never achieved the Kamehameha
Goku never learned kaioken
goku never went to earth
Goku never went further beyond.
DJ Prime goku never achieved super saiyan blue thats super saiyan 6 in disguise
No dude you're wrong, he never achieved super Saiyan, he also hates food and fighting.
Shinji and Mitsuki duh you idiot that's so obvious delete this comment rage quit rage quit!!!
And goku is secretly Albert Einstein
And vegeta is nice.
And Bulma actually has balls.
He is also a really attentive dad that always make sure his sons made their homework and yamcha is the strongest fighter well maybe except for raditz....
People actually believing this dude too....
Broku72 im with u
It’s fucking stupid
Also I subbed to u
Yo broku what's ups your videos are amazing man. I'm glad your here.
It took me a second, I knew it was you lol
“Just because Toriyama worked on it doesn’t mean that it will be canon or fit into the main series”
*Broly, Gogeta, and Cooler busting through the door with Dragon Ball Super: Broly tickets in hand*
Wait, when did Cooler become canon??
@@evanlight2550 dragon ball online =canon because toriyama confirmed it this taking place to future
Heroes is canon to online
So does cooler
>Reads title
*sigh*
Here we go.
Knight of Heart agreed
*Sees the title*
Oh ffs
This is a great debunk Chuck.
Just got done watching it, I have to say I really appreciate all the hard work you put into these videos and I appreciate you taking care of business and debunking the headcanon.
There are people out there who believe Goku never achieved super saiyan? Omg tell me you're joking 😑
papahudz69 they're not
FallenThunderFlash 18 that's ridiculous as fuck bro
papahudz69 hey, its anything for views these days
FallenThunderFlash 18 I guess
Diluted super Sayian
So wait... someone actually thought this!!??
Next :Goku isn't a saiyan :D
The Penspinner and vegeta is a tuffle
@@millssilver5040 next theory: trunks is brolys son?!
Why would this even need to be debunked?
ZuffyG Because there are stupid people willing to believe the dumb stuff from the video being debunked
ZuffyG because it's been in EVERYONE'S recommended, I never even gave it a shot because I knew it was retarded b.s but like he said plenty of people have and that's exactly how misinformation spreads about DB
Phillip Rubio that's crazy 😂😂
ZuffyG It's a damn shame though
Thank god we have people who dedicate their time and energy to stopping db misinformation. It has a really big impact on our lives and must be dealt with.
Him saying that Goku needs to *Amplify his Ki* is the same as someone to tell me to open my 3rd eye.
To sum up the video.
HE'S NOT A NATURAL BLONDE!!!
Lmfao
I'm glad you debunked this. It really annoyed the hell out of me when I saw it. I was going through the comments, and people were actually saying shit like, "aww cool this is a good theory and it makes sense". Like, wtf? NO. It does not.
Goku’s name was never kakarot
Ningen Black and vegeta got his name from a vegetable
Yep
LMFAO THAT INTRO GIVE ME TINGLES IN MY EAR LMFAOO
NeonticGhost what’s the song name?
brandon jacobo he sorta sounds like nav
nav ft the weekend
NeonticGhost it gave me cancer
brandon jacobo some way
i think super saiyan omen isn't canon, but if you want to try and push it out there you could say false super saiyan from that one movie is the omen.
we don't really know much about KI, we do know that the z fighters can differentiate from people's ki, not because of the amount of ki (such as higher ki/power level) but they can actually detect who it is fighting who from the other side of the planet. This could be interpreted in many ways. it was also mentioned that frieza had evil ki/energy back on planet namek.
IIRC there is Normal ki, Evil ki, Divine ki, Energy of destruction (GoD ki) and thats it. The auras from peoples ki attacks can be anything but normally it's an orangey yellow colour. But attacks like the galick gun can be purple or triangle danger beam which is a fucking rainbow. I think this is where the youtuber misinterpreted ki, he saw the auras of different transformations and assumed it's a different type of ki when it's just the aura of a transformation. When I take a shit on the toilet my aura is red cos i go bloodshot from the intense shit im taking. Doesn't mean I have a different type of energy.
I mean Ki attacks can also be invisible or just straight up telekenetic, remember when piccolo just glared and destroyed all the cameras at once without anyone knowing what happened , yeah idk spooky shiz
Hey Chuck you should debunk this one video called "Goku never Achieved Super Saiyan"
Let's not even get into how the biggest "evidence" he had for SS being inomcplete was based on misunderstanding an awkwardly translated line
*title seems unpleasant*
Ah, must be -false-
Stop begging for subs
Best Girl Stop telling people how to live their life.
Goku only identified as a super saiyan. Just like I identified as dead so I didnt have to go to work today
I shall find this Ningen and end the plague of ignorance. I hate the Saiyans but this foolish human is a cancer upon my beautiful world worse than the Saiyans with the power to challenge the gods...(P.S I only lost due to plot armor)
You got your ass kicked in the manga by vegito blue it wasn't even a challenge
Best Girl Oh but did he win? No because the power of the gods is to much for you Ningen Saiyan or not to grasp. In every reality I am greater than the Saiyans Ningen.
What's this RP bullshit doing here?
You were only tie with vegito in the anime due to it would be cool but in the manga you were vegitos bitch
the fork Man Is that so? What occurred first Ningen? It it unwise to question a God.
I thought this was the xeno Goku video and now I’m pissed
Johnnyblack3 Reviews he's working on it dude, be patient! :3
Gooshykin Taco-Hero I am but shit I’ve wanted to know about this for months and I’ve never been able to find anything
Johnnyblack3 Reviews why would you when the title and thumbnail clearly state otherwise. Weird
Chuck I like how you brought up how super Sayain doesn’t have a time limit, you could have use the example from the cell arc how Goku and Gohan stood in their super sayian form while trying to train for the cell games
Fun fact! At least according to the manga, Kale is stronger than Caulifla in base, and holds back due to her sister complex making her need Caulifla to be the strongest.
That intro is god-tier. Who made it??
TyZaK want me to link the channel
How about this? the entire dragon ball series.......is a dream! Duh duh duuuuuuuuuhhhh
He never got super sayian.
He got yellow hair mode
Broly is going to be cannon with the movie coming in January on account that every other Super movie was added into the show, seeing how Battle of Gods and Resurrection F were both movies that were added into the show. If I'm wrong, then oh well, but it seems it will be added to the show when Super returns.
When there is no Dragon ball But people want views very desperately. (am talking about the original video).
The real Super Saiyan are the friends we made along the way.
Yo Chuck. There is this dude called dbzmackey who says beerus is stronger than infinity gauntlet thanos. Could you debunk him please.
Tim Spence Post a link to the video where he says that.
Robert Emerson ok I'm on my phone but I'll try. One moment.
Robert Emerson it's astonishing he actually believes this stuff.
GODDAMN IT! Post the fucking link or at bare minimum give us the name of the youtuber.
Broly Banderas did you see the link? I'll repost it ruclips.net/video/WW2mkHaYLdw/видео.html
He is dbzmackey.
Glad we have you in the Dragon ball community to set shit straight for these people.
That intro tho👌🏾
The only reference I’ve found of “Saiyan Ki” in official media is in M8 when Goku searching for Broly, but this was more so referring to the “presence of a saiyan” than them having their own form of energy
I believe Broku already covered this but no one can match the bukkakes of Chuck
seth
Azakayen oh yeah I forgot about him lol
I truly love this channel
Goku became a majin and got jealous of vegeta's super saiyan 3
You keep getting better Chuck!
pin me for being antru
You sure debunkled them good this time!! 😱
360P club
Retrospectively, I think the saiyan transformations (1-3) should have been lesser developments of the super saiyan 4, leading then up to super saiyan 4 being cannon. You gotta think, the very first transformation we see a saiyan undergo is their great ape. What we know as super saiyan 4 is a perfect representation of their species and biology. It doesn't aesthetically make sense to go from monkey, to gold hair 3 times back to monkey.
I think it would have made more sense if the "super saiyan god" transformation should have just been called "god saiyan" or "saiyan god" form and looked like the "false super saiyan" form instead of a calm looking kaio-ken and "super saiyan god super saiyan" or "super saiyan blue/rose" (which is almost just as stupid of a name)" be called "super saiyan god" and look like the regular gold haired super saiyan that they first introduced. Gold makes much more sense to represent god ki rather than blue. The blue hair is just stupid.
This seems like the perfect chance to reboot.
Akira Toriyama said himself that the 50x multiplier for the super saiyan transformation was a bit of an exaggeration and felt that it was a 10 fold increase when he was writing it. When Goku was fighting Frieza, they were about on par with each other with Frieza being by a very small but notably margin stronger. Did Goku REALLY need to get 50x stronger just to beat him? I feel like people really underestimate what a significant increase in all one's stats that is. At just a 10x multiplier, a kid bench pressing 107.8lbs would break the world record; me running a 6min mile would easily break the world record. AND THAT'S JUST A 10x MULTIPLIER.
Instead, I feel like the super saiyan transformation should just be harnessing the 10 fold increase they gain from turning into a great ape without the size and loss of reasoning which would make the royalty seem even more significant. The same logic that the anime Naruto uses to explain that jinchurici's are stronger than their tailed beasts would normally be could be the reason why it's so much more effective to become a super saiyan than a great ape since all that power would be focus and used more tactfully. This in turn allows the great ape transformation to still be relevant giving the potential for variety instead of it always being just super saiyan EVERYTIME. More emphasis should be placed on the fact that because of their biology, as we all know, they get stronger after recovering from each fight, allowing them to keep up with the progressively stronger foes they run into, instead of having all these crazy multipliers to actually be able to do any notable damage. Unmastered SSJ1 should have been a 4x increase, allowing him to dominate Frieza and still be slightly stronger than him at full power. Mastered SSJ1 should be a 5x increase. The SSJ1 grades would make even more sense because they would be imperfect attempts to gain the full power of the great ape without the size increase hence the reason for the crazy muscle mass increase. SSJ2 would be the mastered power of the great ape of the 10 fold increase. For SSJ3, I'm on the wall, a simple solution is to just make what is SSJ4 and make that SSJ3 and skip the middle man OR keep SSJ3 for what it is conceptually (increased output and utilization of ki with the massive energy drain), obviously with the aesthetics change that I mentioned earlier. But make it that each transformation has its own draw back. SSJ1 just isn't that powerful of a boost, the power boost granted by SSJ2 causes saiyans to become more feral like it did to teen gohan but I feel like it's not something they should be able to train and prevent. That feral mindset could cause a saiyan to not make entirely smart decisions and force them to try to draw out even more power if their opponent is stronger, causing them to unintentionally go SSJ3 which has all of its draw backs already. Which would be a good explaination for why Vegeta never went SSJ3 because he can keep his sense while under transformation and cant put himself under the animalistic mindset to push himself to those limits. This adds even more variety so that a saiyan doesn't always just go SSJ2 or 3, they have to take the risk of going SSJ2 that they might accidentally end up going SSJ3 and wearing themselves out.
SSJ4 should ONLY be accessible by turning into a great ape, regaining sense, and willing one's self back into huminoid form and should come with the power increase of SSJ3 with the body adapted to being able to maintain the power increase almost indefinitely (pretty much what it already is). Should still have a feral mindset, but less than that of SSJ2; they should also aquire Primal instinct, increased reflexes similar to that of goku's incomplete ultra instinct which would be able to explain how goku was able to master ultra instinct in such a small time frame. I really don't want the father of all saiyans to have or have created ultra instinct at all, but if so I'd rather that be the reasoning.
This creates a more interesting dynamic between goku and vegeta that allows them to achieve the same feats but still be relatively equal. Vegeta's royal blood allows him to maintain sense and not worry about turning into SSJ3 but he would technically not be as strong as goku could get given he would be susceptible to getting that power increase though the drawbacks. Vegeta's royal blood would allow him to transform into SSJ4 easier but he wouldn't be wild enough to get primal instinct also restricting his potential.
Legendary SSJ should stay how it is bit be explained that what makes it legendary is its similarity in appearance to that of what I explained "should" be called "SSJG". It would be a selfish attempt to gain the power of a god therefore making it incomplete causing the hair to turn green and the uncondensed muscle mass.
Now on to what "should" be called "god saiyan" form. When imaging what a god would look like, one would have expectations of something void of any impurities, which is why I DONT think it should be ape related. God form should NOT BE A PHYSICAL POWER INCREASE. Saiyan biology should be based around 1 thing, the body continuing to adapt so they can do their favorite thing, fight. A saiyan turning into a god should do one thing, allow them to bypass the barrier that separates them from gods and allows them to fight with them. God ki should work in the way like Jiren's will, if you are not strong enough or not worthy, then you cannot even attempt to fight him. For a saiyan to turn into god form, it should basically be the equivalent of fighting an entity made of lightning, while wearing a suit of rubber. I it will prevent you from instantly being obliterated and allow you to actually touch the entity, but doesn't let you inherently hit any harder or more any faster or make you completely immune to the force behind the entity regardless of the properties of lightning. This would explain Vegeta's ascended SSJB, that his biology has allowed him to resist destruction energy, to continue to be able to fight, even up against gods of destruction. However this application should be more utilized by what "should" be called "super saiyan god", which would be the proper form of what the legendary transformation tries to achieve by mimicking god ki while actually possessing some god ki but not actually utilizing it. I feel like Saiyan god form SHOULD only be accessible through the ritual EVERYTIME and SHOULD be stronger than what should be called SSJG due to the possessor actually utilizing true god ki which would keep the transformation relevant.
😑Broly is not crazy in his Legendary Super Saiyan form. He is conscious of his actions unlike Kale.
Seth Davis Broly was clearly a fucking psychopath. He's every definition of the word crazy.
It's just that he is a psycho.
Bot08 He's acting like himself. That restrictive mind control suppression thing makes him wack.
Bot08 He was insane when he attacked his dad's eye too. And when he was a baby in the exploding planet when there was no Kakarot.
Seth Davis Still doesn't change the fact he is crazy and bloodthirsty.
Thank god I've been waiting for this for a while good shit
These kinds of theory videos are just idiotic some times. Good we have Chuck for this kind of things.
To answer your question, the new form of Goku is called SSJ Berserker. It was activated when Goku came in contact with the new Evil Saiyan from the Opening, since he has an ability to make anyone who comes in contact with him go into a blind fit of rage.
ML WARRIOR what berserk form do you speak of. I only know of broly and kale
santey man
The form Chuck was talking about - It is basically translated as Berserk, but in a "possessed" way. Basically, the energy the Evil Saiyan is emiting has corrupted Goku with uncontrollable rage
Bruce Wayne never became Batman.
Naruto never learned the Rasengan.
Sonic doesn’t run fast.
You get the point.
Goku never existed.
Fuzzycat so did the saiyans
I'd like this video 1,000 times if I could.
Great vid, Chuck!
Plot twist
God took only 6 and nine tenths days to create the universe
God does not exist
@@beard6329 he does on my Christian minecraft server
@@dominickhernandez3100 no u
We can easily just debunk this by saying that toriyama kept saying super saiyan in every interview between the end of DBZ and before the releases of the BoG movie. If super saiyan wasn't the real super saiyan toriyama would have said something.
Frieza never died
He committed unliving.
I just have one question to ask: how’d this person get to the conclusion that he did? Okay several questions.... had he not watched the show, read the manga or the guide books? Also what is “Saiyan Ki”? And how is green ki calm? I can’t..... I just can’t....
I think brolys form is the original super sayain and gokus form is brolys form but diluted over many generations
Eithan Bozeman but they were born around the same time and arent in the same bloodline
Soup Boi : yes true but I was talking about ancestors generations back who had this form and passed it down to their children.
Eithan Bozeman now THAT’S a nice theory.
Its impossible since there has been only 2 ssj. 1 most likely since ssj lore was base of of ssg
Justice has been served! I thank you Man U got my subscription
New theory Goku was never born 😂😂😂
Fearsome Fighter u mean Jake
Thank God. Been waiting for one if you guys to debunk this shit
In my opinion I still think his theory is pretty damn cool, I think it makes super saiyan way more interesting, and would actually be a change from the original material that I would enjoy. Not only that but it would make sense for the saiyan in the trailer to be comparable to Goku, if the power he posses is the "True Super Saiyan Form" or what he describes as basically the complete version of super saiyan berserk. The guy who came up with this theory said that what kale has is a very small fraction of the "True Super Saiyan Form," and what the saiyan in the trailer has is the full potential and control of the "True Super Saiyan Form." It would also make sense why his aura is such a vibrant green, and why he bulks up the way he does. Not only that but his eyes are different than a regular saiyan, and this may represent a different height to the berserker form, similar to vegeta's new super saiyan blue evolution form. (I just realized that the form the saiyan has is limit breaker super saiyan berserk).
As always you are on point, I have respected you for a long time. Though possiable to see a new sayian hair color. Most sayian transformations are just different colors and power-ups. Funny how a new hair color made alot of people go super sayian in many ways. Thanks chuck.
Goku was never a sayian
What I want to know is, if DBGT is NOT part of the "cannon" story-line, then why does Vegeta's first telling of the legendary Super Saiyan have ALL the aspects of the SSJ4 transdormation. Vegeta said himself that this warrior could ONLY achieve his Super Saiyan form while already in a transformed state. And at that point in the series, Ozaru was the only Saiyan transformation. Even the imagery used to show the warrior was very similar to DBGT SSJ4 transformation.
A) Become Ozaru
B) Gather energy then push past Ozaru
C) Emerge as a Super Saiyan - or SSJ4 as GT tells us
There was also the fact that Goku also used the Ki's of Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Vegeta and Pan to power up and end the fight against Omega Shenron. One Saiyan Taking in the Ki's of five others to become a god??? You decide. Goku even warns Shenron about this new power up. Says it's like nothing ever seen or felt before.
Or is it possible the writers and animators don't remember the details and just kind of subconsciously ripped themselves off?? I've done that in school; used an idea more than once because I forgot about already using it.
i watch your videos drunk
Koshimaru Kisara im doing that right now
Sometimes you have too
“Super saiyan blue’s all about power through extreme control, combine that with the calming focus of the kaioken and now there’s no telling how high i can go.”
Hi
Im glad you got to this. I wanted at least one of you two to get to it
i got every type of cancer form watching that vid
Only fat virgins use cancer to describe everything.
Thank God been waiting on this
What Rubish
Goku never achieved breathing
9:50. The form is called Super Saiyan: Berserk, and it was caused by a villain named "Evil Saiyan" controlling Goku for a time.
The farmer never had a shotgun
IIRC, the only difference between BSSJ, LSSJ and SSJ is that BSSJ and/or LSSJ is the result of going SSJ with more S-Cells. Broly and Kale probably have more S-Cells than Goku...which still just means that Goku has less S-Cells and has a weaker SSJ1-3 transformation.
Obviously, I’m agreeing with you. Just adding what I remember from what an interview said.
piculra you are kinda wrong look at trunks dude got rage due to him being piss off at black/zamasu and himself this emotional spike can drastically increase s cells if this was the case why gohan a main example for rage boost or s cells never got said forms in super s cells revolve around battle power and a emotional states. You saying broly having more s cells are bullshit due pure heart sayian automatically have more cells when born(broly being crazy kale being quiet and does bad things to impress califua) and as for battle goku has fought and won/lose more fights than broly same goes to kale so goku should have obtain said forms due to him having higher s cells
That moment chuck is the only one still talking about the reaction channel debate
Pretty accurate, but one thing. Legendary Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Berserker are the exact same thing. They're both constantly increasing the users ki and power, they give the user long green hair, green ki, and they make the user insane and uncontrollably destructive. Same thing.
I love your debunk videos bro keep it up fuck the haters!!!💯
You have the best intro out there 💯
I was wondering how long I would have to wait for this debunk video
how did i know this but ive never watched any episodes of dragon ball or z or super what drugs am i on?XD
Goku was never a saiyan in the first place
i believe the green hair of brolly's transformation makes him a true super saiyan
I think the green ki/raising s-cells refers to the base form. If you look at base form Kale and or Broly they are very passive and shy before going beserk. Think of it as the quiet kid in class who whoops ass in a fight outta nowhere.
Don't you love when someone sees something new and they try to force it on older content under the intention to make the lore deeper than it actually is?
Why does the thumbnail say 16 seconds? Probably cause RUclips knows this should only take that long.
I just watched the intro and now I want to watch the entire video.
Meh if anything goku could have achieved the omen ssj but gohan was the real first super saiyan
I’d also like to bring up that Akira Toriyama saying Yamoshi was the Super Saiyan of legend Vegeta talked about also implies Yamoshi went Super Saiyan in the past as well, and from there he goes Super Saiyan God
I was thinking the same thing when you talked about him saying "vegeta is not a reliable source" 😂😂
You’re right... but you heavily paraphrase and adjust his statements to make him sound crazy
Great job on the video
Broly has the most peaceful scowl ever...and by peaceful I mean smashing heads into Rocks and Screaming "KAKAROTTTTTT!!!" lol
Not to mention that theyve mentioned that the base super saiyan shows the most promise of all the saiyan forms hence why the spend the majority of their time fighting in it rather than one of the later forms super saiyan blue came into the picture and in a way seems to replace super saiyan 2 as they bring it out when super saiyan isnt enough.