Michael Heiser - Defining “Sons of God” | Genesis 6 , Deuteronomy 32, Psalm 82
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- Опубликовано: 21 июн 2018
- Dr. Michael Heiser reviews the term “sons of God” and the passages that mention them-the offenders in Genesis 6 and also Deuteronomy 32 (cf. Psalm 82). So what are the biblical connections here? Mike Heiser explains. Also, the amazing PDF from scholar Amar Annus, On the Origin of Watchers below...
On the Origin of Watchers: A Comparative Study of the Antediluvian Wisdom in Mesopotamian and Jewish Traditions
May 2010 Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha 19(4):277-320
DOI:10.1177/0951820710373978
Authors: Amar Annus (University of Tartu)
www.researchgate.net/profile/...
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Thatʼs honestly a new way of understanding the said passages for me. It will be greatly helpful now that Iʼve learned this in my approach to the hermeneutics of certain terminologies so that I can exegete the Scriptures better.
Thank you again for this, Houseform Apologetics! Your resources, especially those of Dr. Michael Heiserʼs, are always great learning tools for us students of the Christian faith.
God bless your ministry all the more for all of these and may you continually serve the church with your work.
Genesis is an extremely complex book.
And to truly understand Genesis you need to understand Revelation (and vice versa) as well as the rest of the Bible. This is how Scripture works: what you learn in one book sheds light on details in another book.
@@EndTimesHarvest we don’t need to understand the false words of man to understand the words of God. Stop lumping in the Old Testament with your “New testament” because as you probably know they don’t exactly have anything to do with each other.
@@EndTimesHarvest As happens in all books.
@@Rotisiv the old covenant is incomplete! Leaving many unanswered questions
The New Covenant is The Answer!
The old covenant promises The Redeeming Messiah
JESUS CHRIST ✝️
The RESURRECTION ♥️ Eternal Life 🕊
Heiser is an Apostate on Deut. 32, He leaves out verse 7 (many generations), Here is the proper explanation......
Deuteronomy 32 7-10 ESV
7 Remember the days of old;
consider the years of many generations;
ask your father, and he will show you,
your elders, and they will tell you.
8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,>>>>>>>>some translations say "sons of Adam"
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God. >>>>>other translations use "children of Israel"
9 But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.
10 “He found him in a desert land,
and in the howling waste of the wilderness;
he encircled him, he cared for him,
he kept him as the apple of his eye.
Now lets dig into this. What is left out is verse 7, this is all in Context. The debate is in verse 8, should it be sons of God or children of Israel??? Actually both can fit. Reason why Verse 7 HAS to be applied becasue it reads "years of many generations" that would refer to Genesis 5 the Patriarchs which would be the sons of God.
1) Adam (Genesis 5:3-5) Lived: 930 Years. 12) Arphaxad (Genesis 11: 12-13) Lived 438 Years
2) Seth (Genesis 5:3, 6-8) Lived: 912 Years. 13) Shelah Genesis (11: 14-15) Lived 433 Years
3) Enosh (Genesis 5:6, 9-11) Lived: 905 Years. 14) Eber Genesis (11: 16-17) Lived 464 Years
4) Cainan (Genesis 5:9, 12-14) Lived: 910 Years. 15) Peleg Genesis (11: 18-19) Lived 239 Years
5) Mahalalel (Genesis 5:12, 15-18) Lived 895 Years. 16) Reu Genesis (11: 20-21) Lived 239 Years
6) Jared (Genesis 5:15, 18-20) Lived 962 Years. 17) Serug Genesis (11: 22-23) Lived 230 Years
7) Enoch (Genesis 5:18, 21-24) Lived 365 Years/Translated never saw death. 18) Nahor Genesis (11: 22-23) Lived 148 Years
8) Methuselah (Genesis 5:21, 25-27) Lived 969 Years. 19) Terah Genesis (11: 32) Lived 205 Years
9) Lamech (Genesis 5: 25, 28-31) Lived 777 Years. 20) Abram (Abraham) (Genesis 25: 7) Lived 175 Years
10) Noah (Genesis 5:28-29) Lived 950 Years. 21) Isaac (Genesis 25: 7) Lived 180 Years
11) Shem (Genesis 10:10-11) Lived 600 Years. 22) Jacob (Israel) (Genesis 47: 28) Lived 147 Years
As a person sees this it is clear the Patrairchs lived and saw many generations and lived many 'years", this genealogy list from Adam to Shem is also the "sons of God", which is fitting this is listed before sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6, the sons of God are Adam to Shem.
VERSE 8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, (OR "sons of Adam")
he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
How God divided mankind is with animal sacrifices/burnt offerings, this started with Cain and Abel the "sons of Adam" or to say "sons of mankind."
When God separates the "sons of Adam" or "divided mankind", this is referring to Cain and Abel, found in Genesis 4. All of mankind comes from the FIRST man "Adam"
Gen. 4 2-5 "And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. 3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell."
Cain’s offering (Ground offering) to God was displeasing so God reject that offering, while God accepted Abel’s offering, because the offering was the first born of his flock (Sheep or young Lamb). Note Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, even Abel's sacrifice is foreshadowing Jesus and His sacrifice.
Cain then dwelt in the land of Nod>>>>Genesis 4: 16 "Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden". Nod in Hebrew means wandering.
Abel was of True Faith, while Cain was NOT. Abel presented his offering by Faith.........
Hebrews 11:4 " By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks."
1 John 3:12 "not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous."
Simply putting it, the Lord God separated the boundaries with the "Righteous and Unrighteous" Abel was Righteous/Cain Unrighteous. The Lord God has Always used a Sacrifice by Faith to separate the peoples, starts back in Genesis. Notice that Cain was of the "wicked one (1 John 3 12)" and Abel was the righteous one (Hebrews 11:4). The separation of the Wicked and Unrighteous like Cain and the Faithful/Righteous like Abel. This is how the nations are separated and how God set the boundaries of the people. Today God separates the people with the Gospel and the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, those with Faith and without Faith.
VERSE 8 (cont.) Speaking on the boundries of the people we see that Cain went and dwelt in the land of Nod, Since Abel was murdured, Seth was NEXT in line. Reason why Seth is Next is because he called on the name of the Lord.
Genesis 4 25-26 "And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.” 26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord.
How we know this is with Abram/Abraham When Abram entered Canaan, he camped between Ai and Bethel. There, “he built an altar to the Lord and called on the name of the Lord” (Genesis 12:8). In other words, Abram publicly thanked God, praised His name, and sought His protection and guidance.
Genesis 22 3-6 "So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac. And he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him."4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place from afar. 5 Then Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey; I and the boy[a] will go over there and worship and come again to you.” 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son. And he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together."
Years later, Abraham’s son Isaac built an altar to the Lord in Beersheba and also “called on the name of the Lord” (Genesis 26:25). So we can tell calling on the name of the Lord as to do with an altar, animal sacrifice/burnt offering......This is part of worship and prayer with the Pariarchs or to say the sons of God, because these animal sacrifices established covenants between God and man as well as pointing to the sacrifice of the Son of God on the Cross who is Jesus. God establishes covenants with an innocent life given with shed blood, that is why the Patriarchs are the sons of God in an Adopted sense.
VERSE 8 ESV "When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders[a] of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God"
When a person looks at VERSE 8 when translated to the NKJV "When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations, When He separated the sons of Adam, He set the boundaries of the peoples, According to the number of the children of Israel."
The NKJV says "children of Israel" Not "sons of God", Okay why children of Israel, have to understand Israel is the "chosen" people they have the Law and the prophets as well as a sacrificial system.
God had established an animal sacrificial system for them. Both the "children of Israel" and "sons of God" would have the bloodline that leads to Jesus who is the Son of God. The complete Bloodline and Genealogy of Jesus is in Luke chapter 3, that is why "many generations" mentioned in verse 7 is so important. The nation of Israel/Jews also had a day of Atonement and a Levitical priesthood for animal sacrifices/burnt offerings. The Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:27-28), also known as Yom Kippur, Every one of the Old Testament sacrifices typified Christ. The Passover, or paschal, sacrifice was a type of the Lord Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God. The Passover lamb reminded the nation of Israel of their captivity in Egypt.
VERSES 9 & 10 of Deut. 32 9 "But the Lord's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. 10 “He found him in a desert land, and in the howling waste of the wilderness; he encircled him, he cared for him, he kept him as the apple of his eye."
The nation of Israel is also a "son" of God in an Adopted sense.
You need to listen to The Three World Ages Shepherds Chapel p/scholars...... Sons of God. Job, 38.7 that disobeyed God and came to Earth Jude 1.6 the angels (nephal, Fallen, Nephilum) left their first estate ( heaven ) UFO gomto Horses Of the Bible shepherds chapel. And took wives and had Gibbor,, giants, Rephraim, men of old men of renown, ♥️🇨🇦🕊🇨🇦♥️they are returning go to 3rd influx of Nephilum, also next is Rev. 13 EZEK. 28 the AntiChrist will reign with his 10 evil supernatural leaders (fallen angels ).will head the New World Order, I just recently discovered in bibke where those massive giants were written, In Amos 2.9 the Amorites were the heights of cedars, the cedars Of Lebanon were the largest cedars in the world 40-100 ft tall, made Og Of Bashan Deut, 3,11 his bed was 8 cubits,
Psalm 82 expalined
Heiser brings Polythiesim into Psalm 82 in his teaching and is in error. Psalm 89 is a vision in Heaven, while Psalm 82 is on the earth. Psalm 89 has no connection to Psalm 82. Heiser uses Psalm 89 with his teaching on Psalm 82. Psalm 89 is more in line with Revelation 4 and the 24 Elders. The 24 Elders as Adopted, Faithful, Patriarchs, Judges or maybe even kings of the OT. Plus Psalm 89 is written by a different Prophet, Ethan. Psalm 82 was written by Asaph. Both are inspired by God.
When it mentions the scripture cannot be broken is about the God of the OT is the same God in the NT in the person of Jesus. The Three persons of God as One and the Same God. Bascially the Father in the OT and the Son in the NT, still the same God.
John 10: 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)"
Notice in the this verse mentions the "word of God"
Jesus Links himself to the same God that spoken thru the Prophet Asaph in Psalm 82. Psalm 82 is for the Jews and directed to the Jews.
The Jews received the word of God from Prophets as well as the law. The word of God and the law was for the Jews that is the Divine council. Heiser's Divine Council theory is sensationalism, meaning he is not accurate.
Where most fail, like Heiser is they do not expand on the “word” of the Lord in 3 forms. The “word” of the Lord would come to Prophets like Asaph who wrote Psalm 82. First the “word” was either “Spoken” and Second the “word” was written, this is how the scripture is given, so this is TWO forms of the “word” of the Lord. The Third form is in Jesus, since we are looking at Psalm 82 and John 10, we know that John is the Inspired Author for the Gospel of John. John wrote in John 1:14 “14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
This is how the scripture cannot be broken, linking the OT with the NT with the same God. Heiser and others like him aslo fail because they do not explain the Godhead/Trinity. Jesus is God as the person as the Son. There are THREE Persons of God within the Godhead....Father, Son, and Holy Spirit>>>The Godhead/Trinity. The problem with most scholars and students of the Bible is that they do not expand on the 3 persons of God, who are the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as well as the word/Word>>>>>Spoken, Writen, and Flesh.
The other failure is explaining the gods of the OT of Psalm 82 and the gods of the NT John 10.
Jesus answers the question on who the Psalm 82 gods are in John 10.
Jesus quotes and repeats what God the Father had spoken thru the Inspired Prophet Asaph, Again Asaph wrote in Psalm 82:6 - “I said, you are gods.” Jesus says in John 10:34 “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” Here in John 10:34 Jesus links himself to the same God (Father) in Psalm 82.
The phrase and title given "you are gods" is a legalistic title of Authority because the Jews were given the Law. The Jews were given the Law and 10 commandments to govern them and council them, so it is imposible for this to be nonhuman spirit beings or angels. God also established covenants with Humans, not nonhuman spirit beings or angels. For the Jews their Religion and Governig was together, not like the USA where there is a seperation of church and state.
Jesus says in 10: 34 “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”
Asaph wrote in Psalm 78 the Jews having the law. Psalm 78: 9 The men of Ephraim, though armed with bows, turned back on the day of battle 10 they did not keep God’s covenant
and refused to live by his law." In Psalm 78 is more of a reminder chapter for the nation of Isarel.
In John 10 Jesus is equating Himself to the same God in Psalm 82, Jesus uses an "I said" statement.
Let's focus in on the words Jesus uses,. He uses an ‘I said”. The “I said” stament is no different than an “I am” statement.
The “I am” statemanets and “I said” statement of Jesus in the Gospel of John are really one and the same. These are not metaphors; rather, they are declarations of God’s name, as applied by Jesus to Himself. The first instance of an “I am” comes as Jesus responds to a complaint by the Pharisees. “I tell you the truth,” Jesus says, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The verbs Jesus uses are in stark contrast with each other: Abraham was, but I am. There is no doubt that the Jews understood Jesus’ claim to be the eternal God incarnate, because they took up stones to kill Him (verse 59 that would be blasphemy to the Jews because Jesus made Himself out to be God). The same logic is applied to John 10:35, Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” which directly comes from Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.”
A person can clearly see in Psalm 82 and in John 10 it would be Jews being addressed, not nonhuman spirit beings or angels, like some promote, which Mr. Heiser is Huge on, this made him famous. Heiser is a blind teacher. Smart on Hebrew language and how to speak (Very Inticing and Luring), But bad on Application and Interpretation.
Heiser Ignores In John 10 and Psalm 82
1. The law (Authority for the Jews and Jewish Elders/Judges)
Also see In Exodus 22:8 & 9 here is where a person can find how the role of these Elders/Judges ("gods" or "elohim), established by Moses. The law was given to Moses.
2. The prophet (Asaph wrote Psalm 82)
3. The " I said" (word/Word of the Lord Written/Spoken thru Prophets in OT Revealed in NT Word bacame Flesh>>>>Jesus/Son).
4. Linking OT Scripture with NT Scripture (Scripture cannot be broken).
5. Psalm 82 and John 10 are directed to Jews, NOT Polythiesm nonhuman spirit being or angels like Mr. Heiser promotes.
6. Explainig the Godhead/Trinity as always existed even before creation, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are THREE persons of ONE and the SAME God,
7. Expalining since the Jews had this law of God and from God, Puts them in a High level of Authority to Judge and carry out the law of God and represent God, but they will die like men becasue they do a poor job of representing God and the law.
Psalm 82 6 & 7 NKJV, "I said, “You are ‘gods’; you are all sons of the Most High.”7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.’
ESV I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you, nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince.”
This is also a huge argument with Hieser and his followers, but is decieving and many are mislead on Heiser's teaching. Man (mortal/flesh) is under the Curse of death, becasue sin leads to death. The Curse happed in Genesis 3 and the fall of man. Romans 5: 12 "Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned"
Also since God created man from the ground and dies, so man retrurns to the ground.
Genesis 3: 17-19 To Adam he said, ‘Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, “You must not eat from it, ‘Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken, for dust you are and to dust you will return.’
Very clear since they die like men it is fitting these men return to the ground from which man (mortal/flesh) came and fall like every ruler/prince (mortal/flesh). God has the Supreme Authority and Rule over the Jews and the whole earth and all rullers. Heiser blindly uses replacement theology with the rulers/princes he replaces the mortal/flesh with nonhuman/spirits that is where Ploytheism comes into play with his teaching. Again, Very poor on Interpreatation and Application.Another huge problem with Heiser is he is not Solo Scripture and does not let Scripture define Scripture. Another note in Psalm 82 :6 "you are all sons of the Most High". The word "sons" is used, meaning this is Adopted sons, not nonhuman/spirits or angels. That is also replacement theology, Heiser replaces Jews who are his Chosen peole, His Adopted with nonhuman/spirits or angels>>>>>>>Polytheism.
Have to remember the Jews were given the law and had Authority to judge and rule, not nonhuman/spirits or angels. Nonhuman/spirits or angels were never given the law.
Jesus says John 10:34 “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods". The gods are the Jews, Jesus answers the question of the gods of Psalm 82.
Even expanding with the verses following in John 10 Jesus the Son kept Linking Himself to God the Father of the OT (Psalm 82).
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, “I am God’s Son”? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.’ 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.
The final thought NKJV Psalm 82: 1 "God stands in the congregation of the mighty; He judges among the gods." ESV God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
I agree with you in regards to Psalm 82 but I would like to know your understanding of Genesis 6.
'll just post Psalm 82, because that is what Heiser is famous for, This is for people to read, so Jesus can be shown and exalted, instead of a mere man like Heiser.
Who do you chose the scholar or the Shepherd????..........The Shepherd makes more sense and is the Right choice.
Mike Heiser is 100% wrong on Psalm 82 and misleads so many on this. The Scene of Psalm 82 is on the earth. Heiser likes to use Psalm 89 and 1 Kings 22 becasue the scene is in the realm of Heaven, probably the throne room and has NOTHING to do with Psalm 82 which is on the Earth.
Jesus answers the question on who the Psalm 82 "gods" are in John 10, of whom Heiser ALWAYS IGNORE!!!!!
Jesus quotes and repeats what God the Father had spoken thru the Inspired Prophet Asaph, Again Asaph wrote in Psalm 82:6 - “I said, you are gods.” Jesus says in John 10:34 “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”. Here in John 10:34 Jesus links himself to the same God (Father) in Psalm 82. Prophets were the VOICE of God in the OT, God would SPEAK thru them. Prophets handled and carried the words of God to write down and also to Speak the words of God to the nation of Isarael (Jews).
John 10: 35>>> " If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came and the Scripture cannot be broken"
Notice in this verse mentions the "word of God"
Jesus Links himself to the same God that spoken thru the Prophet Asaph in Psalm 82. Psalm 82 is for the Jews and directed to the Jews. Asaph the prophet wrote Psalm 82. Asaph was the voice of God in Psalm 82.
The Jews received the word of God from Prophets as well as the law. The word of God and the law was for the nation of Israel (Jews). The Divine council, more specific would be Jewish Judges and Rulers, because they had the law to judge and rule with, so that would be a HUMAN Divine Council, NOT a non human (angels) Divine Council that Mr. Heiser promotes. Heiser's Divine Council theory is sensationalism, meaning he is not accurate. Heiser is TOTALLY false on his Divine Coucil Theory.
This is also fulfilled prophetic words fulfilled by Jesus so scripture cannnot be broken with OT scripture and NT scripture, Psalm 82 "gods" are Linked with the John 10 "gods" so the gods are human in both Psalm 82 and John 10. Jesus is addressing Humans ("gods") in John 10, Probably Jewish rulers.
The phrase and title given "you are gods" is a legalistic title of Authority because the Jews were given the Law and as well as judge with the law. The Jews were given the Law and 10 commandments to govern them and council them, so it is imposible for this to be nonhuman spirit beings or angels. God also established covenants with Humans, not nonhuman spirit beings or angels.
In John 10 Jesus is equating Himself to the same God in Psalm 82, Jesus uses an "I said" statement.
Let's focus in on the words Jesus uses,. He uses an ‘I said”. The “I said” stament is no different than an “I am” statement.
The “I am” statemanets and “I said” statement of Jesus in the Gospel of John are really one and the same. These are not metaphors; rather, they are declarations of God’s name, as applied by Jesus to Himself. The first instance of an “I am” comes as Jesus responds to a complaint by the Pharisees. “I tell you the truth,” Jesus says, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The verbs Jesus uses are in stark contrast with each other: Abraham was, but I am. There is no doubt that the Jews understood Jesus’ claim to be the eternal God incarnate, because they took up stones to kill Him (verse 59 that would be blasphemy to the Jews because Jesus made Himself out to be God). The same logic is applied to John 10:35, Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” which directly comes from Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.” The word children in verse 6 can also means "sons", how this is used is in an "ADOPTED' sense and use of the word....Again that would be 'Human", NOT non human like Heiser promotes.
A person can clearly see in Psalm 82 and in John 10 it would be Jews being addressed, not nonhuman spirit beings or angels, like some promote, which Mr. Heiser is Huge on, this made him famous. Heiser is a blind teacher. Smart on Hebrew language and how to speak (Very Inticing and Luring), But bad on Application and Interpretation.
Focusing more on John 10 Jesus is using a figure of speech for the sheep to "HEAR" His Voice with 2 of the "I am" statements Jesus uses. John 10: 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice."
Heiser and so many IGNORE the voice of God, whether it is the Voice of God thru the prophet Asaph in Psalm 82 ("gods") or the Voice of God from Jesus in John 10 (god's), Jesus is God the 2nd person of the Godhead (Trinity). There are 3 persons in the Godhead>>>>Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
This all in CONTEXT because the "I said" statement" in John 10: 35 " “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”>>>>>> Jesus as the Gate/Door and Good Shepherd
John 10: 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.
John 10: 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
John 10: 16 " And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus is speaking ot TWO flocks of sheep, One flock are Jews and the other flock are Gentiles. The Shephard lays His life down for His sheep>>>>>>John 10: 17,18 "For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
Basically Jesus being the Good Shepherd the sheep would hear the voice of the Shepherd with the "I said" statement of Jesus in John 10: 35, which refers to Psalm 82:6 - “I said, you are gods.
The gods in Psalm 82 are 100% human, just like John 10 the gods are 100% human, not non human in Psalm 82 like Heiser promotes. When reading John 10 Heiser would be the "Thief" that is discribed. Johyn 10: 10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."
Heiser's blindness of the "Voice" of God whether by the prophet Asaph in Psalm 82 or in John 10 makes him apostate, he litteraly robs and steals the word of God, which is fulfilled by Jesus. Hieser actually destroys Truth and the Promise of Jesus fulfilling the words of God on who the "gods" are in Psalm 82.
What Heiser Ignores In John 10 and Psalm 82
1. The law (Authority for the Jews and Jewish Elders/Judges)
Also see In Exodus 22:8 & 9 here is where a person can find how the role of these Elders/Judges ("gods" or "elohim), established by Moses. The law was given to Moses.
2. The prophet (Asaph wrote Psalm 82)....Prophets were given the word of the Lord in the OT, they carried and handled God's words to be directed to the Jews. Prophets were the VOICE of God in the OT, God spokle thru them.
3. The " I said" (word/Word of the Lord Written/Spoken thru Prophets in OT Revealed in NT Word bacame Flesh (John 1)>>>>Jesus/Son).
4. Linking OT Scripture with NT Scripture (Scripture cannot be broken). John 10: 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)" The word of the Lord and the Law came to the Jews (Human)
5. Psalm 82 and John 10 are directed to Jews, NOT nonhuman spirit being or angels like Mr. Heiser promotes.
6. Explainig the Godhead/Trinity as always existed even before creation, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are THREE persons of ONE and the SAME God,
7. Expalining since the Jews had this law of God and from God, Puts them in a High level of Authority to Judge and carry out the law of God and represent God, but they will die like men becasue they do a poor job of representing God and the law.
Heiser is an expert in Apostasy and misleads many on his teaching, because he is BLIND and also DEF. I have studied Scripture for more than 20 years and Mr. Heiser is probably the biggest heretics on Psalm 82. I listen to Heiser becaus of his error, his error leads a person to the Truth. You can not look at people who have that have degrees like Heiser does, that is the problem with people, because people do not study scripture for themselves, they beleive what some so called scholar says.
Jesus gives the Death Blow to Mike Heiser's FALSE Teaching of Psalm 82:6 “I said, you are gods.” , in John 10........Jesus Says.......... "Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”in John 10: 34. the gods (elohim, little g) are human!!!! Jesus answers the gods in Psalm 82 long before Mr. Heiser was even born. A person has to listen and hear the WORDS and the VOICE of the SHEPHERD!!!!!! Heiser is a sheep that has gone astray and so many follow him.