The NEW Gibson '61 SG Standard | 2019 Sideways Vibrola Review + Demo
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0:25 - History
1:26 - First Impressions
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Today we take an in-depth look at the new for 2019 Gibson Original Collection Sideways Vibrola '61 SG Standard. I didn't have much luck with the Maestro Vibrola version staying in tune - so will this one be any better?
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The NEW Gibson '61 SG Standard | 2019 Sideways Vibrola Review + Demo
Gibson SG Standard '61 Sideways Vibrola - Vintage Cherry
2019 Gibson SG Standard '61 Maestro Vibrola - Vintage Cherry.
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These are such classy looking guitars!
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The Trogly's Guitar Show please review a new ES-235 in the ‘34 burst they look like amazing guitars. I really enjoy your reviews and how in depth they are.
*The double 00 in the pickup cavity may be first batch like in the serial number no?*
Theres a few really odd 80's Gibson SuperStrats on eBay right now.
Pls review the legendary afd Les Paul if so buy it and review it
You miss spoke yourself, This model does not have the new audio taper pots. look it up if you feel i'm wrong.
You're not negative, you're Honest Austin! 👍
Roller bridge and locking tuners are basically a must have for these tremolo systems in my opinion!
Locking tuners don’t “lock” your tuning, they lock the string which makes string changing and tuning up easier. Nothing at all to do with keeping your guitar in tune!
@@l8sk8r86 yeah they do. They eliminate the turns on the tuning post, and the less string you have on the post, the less it will bind on itself or slip at the rapid increase and decrease of string tension that comes with the use of a whammy bar or bends.
Locking tuners are popular for a reason, you know, they're not just a gimmick
@@wilhelmtheconquerer6214 You're right, they're not just a gimick. Their use is exactly what L8 SK8R said. They lock the string in place for easier string changes. Does that increase tuning stability? Yes, but that's not they're main function. If you want something meant for keeping your guitar in tune throughout heavy vibrola use, you need a locking nut.
@@wilhelmtheconquerer6214 No it won't. Locking tuners don't improve tuning stability whatsoever.
A great debate is happening here.
Yeah locking tuners will improve tuning stability, if you set up yout strings well. The principe is to shorten your string length and so limitate the tension to variate.
But only locking tuners is not enough to have a proper tuning stability, you also have to lubrificate the nut and the bridge (nor have a roller sadle bridge).
So yes it's not the main point but it'll improve your tuning.
I LOVE YOUR SHOW, you honestly deserve more subs and recognition on this platform. Keep doing what you do. ROCK ON 🤘🏻
Very happy to see this version reviewed! Was always been curious how that trem works (or doesn't). Looking at the front-on view, it appears that the neck is actually misaligned. The high E is closer to the edge of the fretboard and when the low E string was sitting in its non notched position, it got even further from the edge of the fretboard. It also looks like the A string would prefer to sit out of the saddle notch at 3:24. I would speculate that the notches were cut to match the neck misalignment! This is a certain candidate for a return.
One of the best reviews by you guys.
Thank you trogly you’re now my favorite RUclipsr and I’m honestly debating on getting this or the les paul classic
Dude, this is the most complete review in the World, electronic, wood, and of course the sound
YES I was looking for this version last night! Thanks Trogly
Best reviews anywhere! Love your work!
Nobody’s gonna get the sideways trem to actually use it. You get them because they look absolutely badass! They do serve other purposes though. They help counter balance the SG’s neck and they actually have a tone all their own based on the type of sustain they produce. Awesome to see that they use those long screws to mount the trem. You can also buy a kit to block the trem. Then it will stay in tune. You could also just use the trem at the end of songs when you know you’re gonna be retuning anyway..To sum this up: I want one! Gonna get one soon.
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Trogly unboxing the guitar in *_ťhë vøįđ_*
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@@assnapkined9295 we only have one rice. Only one singular rice, is that ok?
I like that
Waiting on you to do the new TV yellow Les Paul special !!
Great review as always. The "sideways" Vibrola was the invention of "Doc" Kaufman and was used briefly on 50's Rickenbacker guitars among others. They never worked as well as a Bigsby and prompted Rickenbacker to develop their own "Frictionless" Accent Vibrato unit .
Shaun W Didn’t Doc Kaufman work with Leo Fender?
I love Austin’s reviews. I own the stop tail version of this guitar. These are such great sounding guitars.
I like how you play the same chords/notes on each pickup. That is the only way to really compare and so many people don't do that because they want to show off.
It's interesting how they manage to actually install the vibrola system off center. That shouldn't go through CQ unnoticed. Especially not on a 2000$ guitar.
A lot of them are skewed. I've tried about half a dozen and didn't find a single perfect one.
Exactly, is off entirely, doesn't hold the tuning, Gibson is going to sh**t
No surprise of the tuning instability of the sideways trem. That should not of surprise anybody. But it sure looks purty thooo. Now I'm absolutely outraged that you haven't done the Les Paul Special in TV Yellow yet :P haha
THIS!!!
@@sassycat MEOW!!!
The look is the reason I went for this over the Maestro style one. Never planned on using it. Thought about some tubing to replace the springs as a cheap way to lock it, or spending $125 on a vibrostop for the more expensive route. But $10 on amazon, to try out a rolling tun-o-matic, then I'll decide what I want to do.
Bought a used one today. Love it. Thanks for the review.
so what's the new QC focus really worth if you still can't play the guitar? What are they checking if they aren't play testing it and seeing that the low string can hardly be used? I had high hopes for the new Gibsons
i wanted you to play back in black soooooooo bad this one sounds great!
enjoyed sunshine of your love tho
Wow. Great review. I watched the other video you did with the other SG with the Vibrato. I owned an Original 2. It was dark cherry and had the Vibrato and Mastero bridge. It would always go out of tune on the g. Even after stretching the strings. I later learned to file the slot on the bridge and use nut sauce on the nut slots. That seemed to work. Thanks for your honest review.
Thanks for the tuning tips. Guitar arrives on Saturday.😀
I’ve seen quite a few of these new sideways Vibrola SG’s and they all seem to have that saddle problem with the low E. A lot of the issue is there isn’t much break angle of the strings over the bridge due to the design of the sideways trem.
im so happy that gibson is taking a step in the right direction
1. In 1969 I had an original '61 SG/LP with the same sideways Vibrato (I think it was referred as a "Lonnie Mack" Vibrato back then). Killer tone - especially front Pickup thru a Twin at 8. Vibrola worked sorta OK whenever I dared to do a little "Wiggle-Tailing" on a Chord, etc. but this whammy was Never cut out for Surf Music (I was often tempted to use the Cover as an Ashtray). With genu-wine non-wired Tune-a-matic Bridge, this meant a Saddle would be flying across the Stage at the worst possible Moment/best "string-breaking" Bend you've ever done (& it Did right during a Concert).
2. "spanky, Spanky, SPANKY - we gotta turn them Negative-Nancy's into Nice-Nancys !"
I hope you will review a TV yellow LP Jr. and an ES-275 at some point in the future. Also, your name is turning up over on the Gibson channel in those Agnesi overview videos - great job on getting your name out there! 😎👍
I just got one of these and I love it!
FYI, to be nitpicky, the original "Orange Drops" were made by Sprague and they were foil and polyester/Mylar film construction. The caps in that guitar are made by Cornell Dubilier Electronics (CDE), who bought the Sprague Orange drop product line and name. The 225P indicates that they are a non-inductively wound foil and polyester/Mylar film construction that is dipped in epoxy and has copper plated steel leads, which unfortunately do not sound as good as all copper leads. You can use a magnet to double check whether or not the leads are indeed copper plated steel. FYI, film and foil capacitors sound better than metalized film capacitors. The epoxy dip also reduces microphonics. The 223K means 22 plus Three Zeros = 22,000pF = 0.022 µF. It has a 400 VDC rating. It's date coded 10th week of 2015. www.cde.com/resources/catalogs/225p.pdf It would have been better is Gibson had used the 716P Orange Drop series, which are a non-inductively wound foil and polypropylene film construction with all copper leads. www.cde.com/resources/catalogs/716p.pdf
Be positive, the metal gizmo can also be used a handy beer bottle opener. The inspiration for the sideways vibrola must have come from a fancy wine bottle cork remover...from the 1850s.
Trogly is not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.
Oh, please review more 2019 models! I was eagering for your review on the TV Yellow Les Paul w/ P-90's!
Hello, a big thank you for the full test of this guitar. I will watch more and more video.
I am very interested in this guitar but indeed the vibrato is the weak point.
I need to know if the guitar is tuned perfectly, if the vibrato is not used. It’s really very important to me.
Thank you in advance for your answer
Looks to me like the vibrola is hanging up just before it gets back to pitch. Probably between a little tweaking(maybe lubing?) in the mechanism and right-hand vibrola technique that could be brought under control. Maybe going up a gauge might help,too.
I haven't read all the comments , so maybe someone else stated....when the bridge is seated @ the factory , the norm would be that each string /saddle are Seated by a 1 stroke tap of a mallet to create the actual groove in the saddle..... LOVE YOUR CHANNEL & EVERY VIDEO/ ROCK ON AUSTIN.... Maybe the Qc just plain intonated the axe very lightly & the Proper Groove Needs to be Re-set for that string & Saddle is all...Not a Tough Fix (Set up man/woman , just Hit or strummed too lightly.....Lovin' All Gib's....Thnx A.
I think the 00 in the cavity refers to the no model year. The model numbers for the new collections have 00 where in previous years there was a date code.
For example SG6100VCNM for the 61 Maestro and LPJR00VTNH for the lp junior.
Good theory! That definitely sounds plausible!
Those were available before the new CEO started so hopefully it is being addressed as we speak. Nice review Austin.
Sounds nice. You had my phone buzzing with that neck pickup.
I put 61T/R pickups in my LP standard and thought they were harsh. Degaussed the A5 magnets and now I really liked them.
At 3:19 I heard enough. Thanks for your reviews. Most of all. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for your HONESTY.
For what it's worth, the other two SGs with sideways Vibrola on Sweetwater's website (one demo model) seem to have the same problem with the Low E saddle. One you can even tell the string is sitting next to the groove not in it. My theory is they didn't make the vibrola unit wide enough.
Looks great! Would love one in white like Sister Rosetta Tharpe had, looked so cool
Something wrong with bridge / tailpiece cover. strings not spaced right. It will always have tuning issues until fixed. Expensive wall hanger as is
Bought Gibson SG ´61 Standard VC 1600 Euro(about 1800 US) from big store in Europe and have no problem at all with that guitar. Everything is top notch even the smell of the Nashville fabric...
I love your videos
Thank you for the review. Appreciate you showing which Capacitor value(s) are being used, could you please provide the Capacitor values (when possible) on all future reviews?
Beautiful guitar, tuning issues and bridge mounting inserts are still a disappointment.
Great video my friend, as usual. Will you also review the new 2019 SG Standard???
This guy's really good at reviewing guitars
You can put a vibro- lock for the look and will keep it in tune. (So I hear)
What I want to know is does having the vibrola give it better sustain or a better sound than the stop bar tailpiece? Or is just the look? (Not speaking about a functional can't keep in tune vibrola)
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and attitude with us. These new Cherry/Mahogany SGs from Gibson are absolutely beautiful but : To me , Who would want a tremolo on a Gibson SG (Solid body Guitar). The SG's claim to fame is its bright, sweet, tight tone when plugged into a great vintage amplifier cranked to 11. A tremolo would only suck a bit of the goodness away from that classic tone. If you want to make pretty music get a Fender. I am an old geezer. I remember the band " Quick Silver Messenger Service. The guitar player in that band had a SG with the Tremolo and , he is long forgotten.
Actually, the internal mechanics of that sideways vibrola has been simplified from the original vintage 1961 vibrola.
There is still a lot of play in the arm though, on mine at least. It's also sort of floated, can bend up and down.
The easiest and most obvious upgrade would be to leave the tailpiece and swap out the bridge for a roller bridge. The trem mechanism will pull the strings back and forth through the saddles. I've never seen a design that wasn't in more need of a roller bridge. It'd probably erase most if not all of your issues with the guitar going out of tune.
How's the tuning stability if you don't touch the vibrola at all? I'm pretty sure Billy Gibbons has his tech mod them to basically be a stop-bar tailpiece. It would be great if someone would just design a stop-bar tailpiece version of the vibrola. It would look great and stay in tune! After all, I just want the look!
Maybe it's my background as a Fender guy, but I like the look of the vibrato unit WITHOUT the cover on it. Getting to see all the gadgetry that's going on inside is kind of neat.
Agreed and so does Billy Gibbons when he rocks his.
This is purely a matter of personal taste and opinion, so there's no objectively correct answer. But I'm glad to know that I've got some good company on this one!
Thanks great video
W could be V V for vertical Vibrola since you move the bar vertically when in the playing position
Really interesting and useful review. Thank you. One question about the vibratosystems though. You said that the Sidewaysvibrato got better the longer you used it. I can understand that. In your review of the Maestro SG you experienced that the ABR was moving when using the Maestro. Now that is really worrying and would prevent me from being one. How is that with the Sideways, does it move too? Thanks! Onno
Yes, the bridge moves on both models
I love your channel. When are you going to review a 2018 Les Paul HP?
I have the 61 Reissue but from 2013. Best guitar i ever owned!
I like the sideways Vibrola, I have one on a 2015 Black Beauty SGS-3 Ltd Ed.. I don't use it! It looks great but the metal mass adds a nice tone aspect which is why Billy Gibbons enjoys his but he has modified it so it cannot be used and stays solid. It's the best sounding SG I have too and I think it's because of the metal mass in the trem. Also I do like Billy Gibbons and use felt material to mute just behind the bridge as these always have string ringing noise behind the bridge between the string slots in the trem and the bridge saddles. Some folk like that so it's a taste thing. Lastly the string tension is slinky due to the break angle over the bridge being almost like a wrap around stop bar set up.
Hey Austin, how about installing a roller bridge on one of those... I know it's not vintage correct nor will it add to its value, but in terms of functionality? I've done that mod to a number of guitars with great results, but they were no Gibsons... So, is it viable to do that with one of these Gibson guitars?
Before you sell this and the Vibrola one (unless it's already sold), try them with roller bridge and see if they stay in tune better.
would the "00" at the end of some of them be the 'first' rendition of these (00, then 01, 02, etc.)
Gibson wanted to get away with calling them the '2019' SG or Les Paul and things like that so maybe they will number them according to their edition rather than release year?
Love the look of the 61
I had 61 VOS custom shop which I bought in 2011. Paid big bucks for it. Had the 63 tremolo unit. I could never keep it in tune. Only used as a spare to my 1979 Les Paul standard which never goes out of tune. Ended up selling it.
It looked to me like the E and the A were both not properly lining up, I doubt that the longer you own it the more that will get fixed, Personally if I were you Austin I would return it to Gibson.
It is a beautiful looking SG and the Vibrola makes it look better but I would not order one with that on there. Gibson should just license a Bigsby and be done with it, I know I know they were going for that "original" look so a Bigsby wouldn't do on this model lol.
Over on the "Dylan Talks tone" channel he just did an excellent video on capacitors and stuff and basically the final decision was they don't make a difference, Orange drop or not. It was a very good discussion and since he builds guitars he knows his stuff! Great Review again Austin!
Hey Ron, thought I'd say "hey" cause your comment was third on the list for me. Have a good one.
@@roymartin500 howdy Roy!
Gibson makes beautiful guitars, but I feel the prices exceed what should be allowed for some of the corners they cut. I'd honestly rather buy an epiphone, because if it comes with a production flaw I can fix it without feeling like I spent 1,999 on a repair project
Hi, can you review ES-235 (in ´34 burst), please?
Thanx and cheers from the Czech Republic
P.S.: Have you tried graffite spray on the bridge? I´ve seen some great results on some random 50$ Strat copy with that.
Orange Drops, the only part that matters is the "223K" portion - that is the value.
It tells you it's 22
The number after that tells you how many zeros follow that to get the value in picofarads, so 3 zeros
That means it's 22000 picofarads, or 0.022uF (microfarad), or 22nF (nanofarad)
K is the tolerance code, meaning it will be + or - the stated value, and the value for K is 10%.
I will say, they cheaped out a little by going with "K" instead of "J" tolerance. J is + or - 5%.
I'm a pedal builder and I'll say we generally use a "10% rule," so if we're building a pedal and we don't have a part that is exactly the value it should be, we'll generally be okay with using something else so long as it's within 10% of what it should have been. So if a schematic calls for a 110K resistor and all I have is 100K, it should be fine.
When you buy parts, part of what you're paying extra for with valuable stuff like WIMA caps is tighter tolerances and reliability. Yes, these Sprague Orange Drops are high quality, and plus or minus 10% is probably not that discernible to most people, but I think they should have sprung a few more pennies for the J's... I'm holding one in my hand right now, about to solder it into my Rickenbacker. Honestly, it probably costs the same or less if they went with J's that are rated for 200V instead of the 400V ones. (the voltage doesn't matter with a low power guitar signal)
QueeferSutherland I just changed out .33 orange drops on my Strat for a .47 mojotone vitamin T. It was a noticeable improvement. I hear .22 to be the preferred cap for Humbuckers. That said, I think these 61 SG guitars cast a spell on guys like me. I want the Maestro version, even though I know it want stay in tune... Guess it’s because I had a 1969 Standard when I was a kid-
my 2018 les paul classic player has audio tapered pots and it really is amazing.
can you please review the epiphone g-400 pro 1966 limited edition? it goes for 429.99 and I really want it but i need a review for how it’s set up. I absolutely love your videos Trogly and your reviews are the best, Thanks!
For that price, you should not have to modify anything.... How did that ever get through QC?
"QC" at Gibson is basically just the term used for the guy who puts the stickers on the back of the headstock. So that he can do 400 a day the MBA's upstairs asked him to focus solely on that task and lose the 'checking' part. Productivity of the QC team went up 4000% in a single quarter and MBA's got nice fat bonuses.
That bridge is shocking!!!
Hi there. Love your channel and your strip downs and honest, no bull reviews. Just a question to please my curiosity. Do you:
1. Buy the guitars yourself
2. If do you keep them, sell them etc
Just curious! Thanks.
Yes, I buy them. I sell them on my Reverb page once the review is done. You can find links to the for sale ads in the description
You rule and provide a great public service!
The markings on the Orange Drop capacitor
CDE225P400V
223K 1510
CDE the manufacturer's marking. CDE stands for Cornell-Dubilier.
225P the Model or Type number for this cap, a polyester film/aluminum foil cap.
400v the maximum voltage rating for this cap.
223 capacitance in picofarads, read it as 22 + 3 zeros or 22,000pF (.022uF).
K Tolerance code: K=10%
1510 date code: 10th week of 2015.
I was upset to not find a review on these too. I had one on order. Had. As I now have one. Trem doesn't let it stay in tune. But for $10 you can get a roller saddle tunomatic for it on amazon. If you don't use it (I didn't plan to) it will keep tune relatively well. But for $10, why not try it right? 225 picofarad 400v capacitor. Pretty typical, lower capacitance will increase highs left in, higher will take them out, relative to the position of the tone knob
My Les Paul wouldnt stay in tune for the first few weeks or maybe months of playing (i didnt really take it out that often to play). Now they stay in tune fine, so i wonder if its just the way the guitars are made
Thank you for this vid.
For these tremolo equipped guitars Gibson really needs to also reissue the radiused thumb screws that allowed the bridge to rock back and forth with the tremolo.
My 1971 SG deluxe has an issue with the strings popping out of the notch due to the bridge so I raised the bridge about a millimeter or a little more and it fixed the tuning issues and the strings wont pop out unless you hit it with extreme force
Don’t know if anyone else had that issue
would like some tips about that though
Never seen one of those under then hood before. cool
I’ve read all the reviews but I don’t really care, i just love the looks of it, 😅
Tune the strings, pull them until they stretch, tune again. Repeat this until you pull really hard and they are 100% in tune.
Preciosa SG , yo tengo una de 1986 y es una maravilla
liked the hint of lynrd skynrd at 15:00 lol
Would be cool if you could compare this 2019 61 SG standard sideways with the 2013 sideways Sg "61 Les Paul tribute"
Trogly, please do the 2019 LP Jr and the Special!
I've this exact model in January 2020 and it looks absolutely stunning. However, I disagree on two main criticisms. First I didn't came across any string saddle problem when I first played till few moments ago so I don't if it is design issue or Mr. Trogly got a slightly defective piece. Also to add I play hard, pinch hard and strum hard and so far no tuning issue. All the strings so far are in place and seems perfect.
For tunning part I've played this guitar for about 6 to 8 hrs straight and it remained in tune till the end. I picked it again after about a week and did very minute tunning.
However with vibrola it tends ro go out of tune. So I don't use it. But I get a lot of effects otherwise.
So I disagree because my SG 61 standard with sideways vibrola plays great and it sounds great.
I'm thinking the 00 in the pickup routes indicate the production number.
I got a gAry Clark and the previous owner changed the abr bridge to a brass rolling saddles ( I thinks that’s the name) and it works perfectly.
Does all that extra metal in the vibrola help the balance point of the sg?
You re asking coz you find the SG headstock is heavy? I've owned 1 like these and i thought it was well balanced , maybe slightly better then the regular ones .
the system at itself is horrible , I took everything of which i didn't need
I didn't film the test for this one, but the Maestro version I did and it didn't have neck dive. I didn't notice any diving with this one either
I am ENRAGED no one is reviewing the hard tail. Seriously though. I'm not a Gibson guy, but this is the guitar to have. Or Gary Clark's. Such an amazing guitar. There's one at my local Sam Ash. It's so glorious. I played it through a 5150 hooked up to 4x12. It sounded MASSIVE. And 24 frets...uh oh I'm rambling sorry
VE as in Vintage Eherry
The notch is based off of neck width and where the pole pieces are
Duuude! I had the same problem with that saddle on my ES-335! I managed to make it work, but man... I totally forgot about it...
Strange they would even sell that.
I recommend a Düsenberg Les Trem 2, if somebody wants a trem on a TOM bridge guitar.
Personally I’d mod it to have a roller bridge
Impressive that particular guitar made it to you. A significant defect in the bridge is hard to overlook by anyone.
I just got to the playing part of the vid... Nice for a 5 string. Tough to not play the 6th string, but you did well. This model trem is for the wall, not the gig. The please forgive me Gibson review. It happens. Not a Gibson hater by any means.
The bridge saddles ought to be correctly notched, out of the box and from the factory. Not a promising look for the new Gibson.
But on another topic: Whammy bars and standard Tune-o-Matic bridges just don't mix. (Which means this lousy vibrato system is vintage-correct!) At the very least, replace the bridge with roller saddles.
StewMac makes a roller bridge with the correct 12" radius. Ask them if it would work as a drop-in replacement. And if so, that's great: You can switch out the bridge without making any permanent modifications, and just keep the original one in the case.
lol on his other video the one with the new 2019 gibson bass DC i think the pickup they put on someone installed it backwards
Is it possible that Gibson reduced the notch so the string would glide over the knife-edge easier? I'm not stating that as fact I just wonder if it's true.
They should use roller saddles. Sure, that's not vintage-correct. But it'll actually work better. Strings won't jump out of the grooves in the rollers, AND they won't get caught on them.
If you buy any of these Gibsons with a whammy bar unit - either this sideways Vibrola, or the Maestro - get the roller bridge from StewMac. Then just put the original bridge in the case, and forget about it.
I like Gibson, but the bridge issue with the low-E saddle is not acceptable on a 2.000$ guitar.
Do the trem arm when in its stored away position interfere with the 1/4" cable, assuming that you have a unusually thick cable end?
As long as there is string tension on the unit, it gets close to, but does not block the output. Without string tension, it blocks it