I just bought this. For anyone thinking of buying! Drama about the veneer it actually looks very nice in reality also the mahogany wood on the sides of the guitar looks really nice to. Not sure what strings are on it they leave a dark residue on finger tips but they actually are still not bad but will change them for slinky’s eventually. TUNING not a problem at all. It’s only a small tremolo movement not like a Floyd Rose and it’s more stabler than Floyd Rose I would say. In fact I picked this guitar because I know it’s tuning stable and I like the extra weight on that side to alleviate any neck dive . Now the neck dive is slight but not too bad at all. I have a Gibson HP SG ( no Trem) which has more neck dive than this. Also it really does feel and look like a Gibson . It feels more expensive than it is. The pickups sounds typical of an SG deep, dark , barks and lots of sustain . I once had an epiphone les Paul for similar price and it was about 4-5 years ago and this guitar is noticeably better quality no doubt about it. It’s too nice not to have a case . So I’m buying a hard case for sure. The fret board is very good, not mind blowingly good but still good. The lacquer on the back of the neck is still smooth and doesn’t affect sliding your hand around. Nut cut nice. Headstock and tuners look great. The vibrola looks like very good quality.
pablo9364 I think Epiphone has really stepped up their game this year as these SGs as well as the Les Paul standards all seem very nice and high quality. They had to step it up because their competition, Squier (Fender import line), are putting out outstanding guitars as well. It’s a good time to be a guitar player as their are so many high quality budget level guitars on the market.
I love the look of the guitar...I think it looks awesome! I'm not a huge SG fan but I really like the looks of your guitar. Just fyi:) Also..I just bought a brand new Epiphone Ultra II and played it for a few weeks. The open e chord just sounded weird..but there was nothing wrong with the guitar. It would tune just fine. Intonation was excellent also. Well..I was playing my Fender and swapped to the LP and the open e chord sounded funny again..so I finally changed the strings to Ernie Ball regular slinky's and viola, the e chord sounded perfect. Actually everything sounded better! I'd throw a new set on there if I were you!
I hear ya.... I got one man I got to tell you I love it. granted I only play in my basement but it feels and sounds great.. been using it through a Princeton 68 reissue
@ZAQ-178 It doesn't. I think it does add to the tone. But if you do anything with the tremolo, you're basically asking for it to go out of tune. Perhaps you can do a "light shimmer" But it's not a whammy bar. I still prefer SG with the Vibrola... but functionally, it's useless.
@@adamjacksonmedia Pretty much the same reason i fitted a Bigsby (copy) to my Telecaster, i don't use it just love the look of it, most of my playing doesn't require a tremolo of any kind, surprisingly the Tele stays in tune even when I've lightly used the Bigsby, it has changed the tone of the guitar with the longer string run. I'm thinking about buying one of these SG's (why i'm here looking at this lol), but purely for the flashy looks.
So here's my mini-review of the stop tail version. I love it, 9.5 out of 10. The neck is flatter on the back, which took some time to get used to, but once I did I was in love. Comes stock with 10-42 strings which were a little light for me but eh. Fretwork was great, setup was good, and nothing felt out of place. As far as the pickups go, I was underwhelmed with the bridge pickup, as it didn't have that bite that SGs are known for, but the neck pickup sounded fantastic to me, especially with some overdrive. Overall, it is now my main guitar, and I will do modifications over time, but for now, it gets a solid 9.5 out of 10 for me. Keep it up Epiphone!!
I got the same one, no veneer, stop tail, and the neck seemed ridiculously fat at first, but i like it now. An SG is ALL NECK anyway, so it seems like a thin neck would break easier.
Trogly, I just wanted to say thanks a bunch for the uploads. I’m going through a kind of rough patch in life right now, but your videos really do brighten up my day.
Mine came in a couple weeks ago. I did have to set a relief on the neck and I haven't had any fret buzz issues since. I didn't find any finish errors or shipping damage on the guitar. Sounds great and looks beautiful. Overall I'm very happy with the purchase.
I find flat-backed necks are more comfortable if you leave your thumb centered on the back of the neck (playing arpeggios, complex chords, etc), while rounded necks are nicer for simple chords and blues/pentatonic leads where you wrap your thumb around the edge of the neck.
I ordered the Pelham Blue Special SG, and I almost sent it back because of the weird flat U neck profile. I changed my mind after about an hour of playing. I find it to be an extremely comfortable neck to play even though I traditionally prefer a nice round ‘59 type neck.
@@johnlund2654 page-style blues rock licks are perfect for the thumb over the back style. Especially with the guitar slung low like he does. You can barely keep your thumb on the back with your strap that low anyway but it just depends on what you're trying to play.
I want Epiphone to reissue the Coronet, I just emailed them that the other day. I doubt they will listen, but I want one so bad, and, they are too expensive on the used market.
@@TealScarab That would be awsome. Do you know how we could get and electronic petition going, that we could the send to Epiphone? I know it may not get them to do it, but I think it is worth trying.
In the '80's I had a '60's Wilshire 12 string with 2 mini-humbuckers that I paid $80 for and a '60's Coronet with a chrome covered dog eared P90 pickup. Paid $125 for that one. Both were in good shape. I sold them both together one day for $250 when I was broke and needed $$ to buy car insurance so that I could get a job. Big mistake! Try to find a Wilshire 12 string! The Coronet is worth a ton these days.
They did this to the 50s Standard LPs back as well, literally the only thing stopping me from buying a Gold Top is that god awful veneer, I’d rather see sub par wood and a seam or two than a 1970s piece of furniture. Also a version with p90s wouldn’t hurt either
@@joederue9900 Just got the Burny P90 Goldtop (RLG60P) Paid £449 ($635) Fantastic guitar, better than any Epiphone’s I’ve owned or played, closer to my Gibson’s!
Look up any prior Epi SG 400 cherry and see they did the whole body including bevels with veneer... why they chose to do it this way now is beyond me... now I am referring to satin finish version...
Nightstroller right😂 if it were 50 dollars cheaper, maybe I’d consider it. The guys buys high dollar guitars and nitpicks a budget guitar. The new Epiphone are incredible values, as compared to USA made Gibson’s which themselves are hit and miss cosmetically most the time. Most any guitar can and will sound great with a proper setup and in the hands of a musician.
Great honest review! As always. I own this guitar. Mine was made November 2019 as well. I actually love this guitar. I really like the way the neck feels. I love the tone of the Humbuckers and to my ears don’t hear the pickups as muddy. Not at all. I have several amps. All amps sound clear and articulate to my ears. Believe me, I’ve heard plenty of muddy Humbuckers and don’t hear these as muddy. I’ll be honest, I owned a Gibson SG Original 2 that had a Mastero Vibro last and was so disappointed. The neck felt heavier than the body and it never stayed in tune. For me this guitar is awesome for the price point. It feels very well made and I honest to goodness look at this guitar as a more expensive guitar than it is. I did have to make adjustments to the neck and action to make it play without any buzz. I really appreciate this guitar for the price and what I get out of if. Also, it stays in tune just fine. I don’t dive bomb the Vivrato but use it often. The Way the veneer looks surprisingly doesn’t bother me because of how well it plays and feels. I don’t even notice that. Thanks again for the review. I love your videos man!
I have no problem with the vertical grain. In fact, some early 70s SGs had a really nice vertical ribbon grain like that. However, the veneer just looks kinda bad, especially when it's on top of a completely different type of mahogany.
I've purchased 3 Epiphones over the last 5 years: Tony Iommi SG (2nd version), Brent Hinds Flying V, and Prohecy Les Paul (newest). Zero finish flaws. Zero fret issues. The Prophecy came from GC and needed a setup, but otherwise zero problems.
I grew up with a 1963 Epiphone "Professional" (335-type body, 1 neck mini-humbuck) and it had that style of neck. So I'm one of those guys who loves that style of neck. I was taught to put my thumb on that flat area in the back, so the rounded back feel like a lump to me. I appreciate your style of evaluation.
Man, I Love that veneer! The color too. The SG is the only Gibson I personally would buy. I didn't care for that trem. Looks like something I would build outta my toolbox. I would love to see an SG with that old knife edge trem Ibanez used to have. I still play one. Properly set up, you can bend up or down by quite a bit. Easy to string, and stays tuned very well.
My Gibson SG 61 reissue aged cherry with 59 pickups and Maestro Vibrato stays in tune great. The action is super low, medium jumbo frets, with nibbed fret ends. It was an exclusive run by American Musical Supply. I thought about the same model Epiphone SG but went with the Gibson and I don't regret it. I kind of like the two tone effect of the veneer top and sides.
I have that same guitar but mine is a 2005 epiphone custom shop with chrome grover tuners with a mahogany top. Got it for 350 with a hard case from a pawn shop and it's in really good condition. Its from korea I think, I've never seen another one like it.
Oh man, I have seen some INSANE pieces of flamed mahogany covered up by that silly veneer. I get it on the Les Pauls - the binding and the roundover on the back hide the join fairly well, but the SGs just look daft. Let the body wood shine, I say!
I used to own a Chinese-made Epi LP Standard (made in early 2000s). Quality in this particular new Epiphone actually seems to be quite an improvement over their older Chinese stuff. BTW, they have been doing this veneer thing for a long time and on variety of models, I think probably since they started doing guitars in Korea and China.
I just subscribed to your RUclips channel and I am very delighted with the content and this video (Epiphone SG) in particular,on account I have always loved Gibson/Epiphone SG's. Thank you for your input and opinion
Thought about for several minutes and having watched various review videos that you've done feeling comfortable that you know your guitars. and more or less nostalgia having owned a cheap knockoff that took a lot of work to get it to play within reasonable satisfaction I decided to go ahead and purchase that SG from you through Reverb and got the verification email. Still thinking of building my own custom but who know i might build Les Paul or a Telecaster semi hollow. Thanks again for teasing the crap out of me and twisting my arm to buy her. Lol. I tried before in the past to purchase other guitars but they were gone before I finished the video. Can't wait to get her.
Austin, get a Katana or something to do a "budget" sound. While it's awesome to hear these, you're playing them through a mesa lol. Most people buying these probably won't be playing through something like that. Love the vids, cheers from Toledo
@@matthewguarna2975 yeah, I get they're good (I played one at a local store to see for myself) but they're not that good, not up against a Mesa or any higher end tube amp.
@@matthewguarna2975 nah. I have a katana and his exact same Mesa. You aren't getting anyyyyy Mesa tones that aren't compressed and noisegated to hell that you're losing Dynamics. Good amps, but they're no Mesa.
I own this guitar. And this guitar feels good. It looks good in real life. And I was able to get an angus young tone since my favorite band is ACDC. But one day ill own an actual gibson sg. For now, this guitar is a killer. Id recommended for beginners or just to appear as if you own and actual SG 😂
I honestly love the veneer, it kind of reminds me of some Kiesel guitar finishes, where they do some parts raw wood and others with a burl or something similar, I love the almost two-toneness of it.
It’s a 61 type which has a SLIM neck. In 35 years I’ve never bought an electric guitar which was “set up” to my specs. I really dislike when people start casting aspersions only because it’s not a “name brand”. The Epiphone SG is well built. The guitar has great electronics, great caps, great pots, a great bridge and top nut. The best acoustic I’ve ever owned is an Epiphone DR500. The list of acoustics I’ve owned is vast and includes guitars priced from $3400 to $600. The best electric Les Paul model is an Epiphone 60’s Tribute Plus. The list of electrics includes prices from $3200 to $400. The best Strat type was a standard Strat by Fender. Second best is the Sire Larry Carlton series. The technology to build great instruments is spread all over the world now. We no longer live in the 60’s when only American companies had the ability. In summary, don’t be fooled by a “name”. Play the guitars yourself and understand that the majority of guitars will need to be set up. This guitar shown is as good as any SG made. Most People wouldn’t know the difference if you changed the name on the headstock. Tuning issues with the vibrola is common. Most people use pencil lead inside the grooves of the top nut.
A good, succinct review. Quick and to the points of issues. Really liked this one. The guitar, I agree is hit or miss on what you like. The tremolo for me is a waste but rest would be doable. As always, compared to Gibson and a budget minded player/collector, this would win in my book. I know what I'm getting with an Epi and am willing to work with it as a hobby. I'd be pissed to cough up an extra K for a name that was too far from perfect. Good job on givin us the lo-down. 👍
I like a flattened off neck. It's a happy go between for me, not too extreme like the Ibanez wizard or Jackson type, but not clunky. It's that comfort for having the thumb on the back for fast stuff, but still being able to hang the thumb easily for muting and bending reasons. I have a 2015 Gibson SG Standard, and it's that kind of neck, maybe it's just mine, but certainly it's ideal for how I play. Actually the reason why I just got a new epi is the styled of neck
@9:37 you said "Indian Yanny" fretboard, then Laurel. Is that a reference to that Laurel/Yanny thing from a few years back? haha. That's hilarious. Great review! 👍
Hey trogly, There is a product on stew mac called fret butter. It is a cloth a reusable cloth that cleans your fretboard, while also polishing your frets! You can use it on any neck accept unfinished maple.
Awesome review! Is this model also very sensible to neck bending? Mine will "bend" and change the sound pitch very easy... I never used other SG to compare, but none of my guitars did that
I have an Original 1970 Gibson SG Standard with the Gibson Vibrola with 10 - 56 strings and never had trouble with it going out of tune except when a string broke.
I totally agree! The necks of the Epiphones I've had, has always been wrong for me. I need a good C shape neck, and I needed to go to a Gibson guitar to get that. I don't know why, but some Squire guitars (telecasters) have a really good C-shape neck. As always: great content, Austin! Love this channel!
🔴Reverb: reverb.com/item/32931630-video-2020-epiphone-sg-standard-61-maestro-vibrola-vintage-cherry?_aid=growsumo&gs_partner=Trogly Is 3 camera angles too much on the Work Bench or do you like it? 🐕 Episode Guide: 0:05 - Unboxing 1:02 - First Impressions 2:19 - Model Info / History 3:52 - Inside Look / Specs 14:32 - Tone Demo 16:44 - Final Thoughts 19:29 - Blacklight Test 19:51 - The Box 📹 Mentioned Videos: Unboxing New Epiphones: ruclips.net/video/BL3pzVGxIl8/видео.html Gibson Maestro Vibrola: ruclips.net/video/FVy28B8lEB8/видео.html
Subjectively, the SG shape has only occasionally tempted me over the last 26 years I've been a guitar player. If I thought I would get one (Gibson OR Epiphone), that vibrato isn't worth the headaches it seems to foster. Good for weight distribution, but I would probably take off the whammy bar itself and wedge it in place to preserve tuning stability.
The body / neck wood thing with Epiphone is kind of weird. They advertise it as "mahagony", but when I bought one the invoice stated it as "Aucoumea klaineana" wood. This type of wood carries the word "mahagony" in its trade name (Gaboon mahagony), but it is a completely different species. Wikipedia reads out "It is a weak wood, with low decay resistance and moderate dimensional stability. The major use of gaboon is in the manufacture of plywood." So after all the only real mahagony on my G400 is the goofy looking vineer. Acousticly, my Epi sounds rather dead compared to my Gibson SG. But amplified its a whole different thing. I've put a SD "Saturday Night Special" set into the Epi, which workes out fine. And after doing that the original Gibson pups wouldn't even get closer. Therefore, I've put Burstbuckers into the Gibson, so it has come closer to the Epi. But not quite the whole distance. Obviously, the damping characteristc of the Gaboon is much more intense as with mahagony, which leaves some play for a good set of pickups.
I know I'm late to the party here but the grain of the body and neck seems to vary a lot based on the example. The one in this video looks terrible, but the grain on the body and neck of mine looks absolutely incredible and blends so well with the veneer. I had to get really close up with a light to notice the change in grain, and the neck on mine almost looks flamed due to the amount of character in the wood. I've seen worse looking Gibsons, and I picked mine up used with the plastics still wrapped for $300! Worth doing a little extra research to get a super underrated guitar
Hey Trogly, my name is Mick. I watch you channel all the time! I really enjoy how much info you pack in your videos. Im somewhat local (not really) being from South East Michigan and was wondering?...You have sort of a mid-western non regional accent but you over enunciate your “T’s”. For instance every time you say metal you break it up into 2 syllables Meh-Tal. Just an observation and by no means meant to be derogatory. I rather enjoy the quirkinesses of it. Was just curious if you always speak that way or are trying to be very clear when you’re recording?
Yea, I've got an sg g400 pro, no vibrato of course, and I love it! And i really like the old headstock, and it has mother of pearl inlays, logo and flower pot. The neck felt weird at first, because the only Gibson I've ever had is a Les Paul studio. I usually play all Fender stuff. But after playing it for a few minutes, it's fine and there's more room for picking a solo. And yes, i agree about the middle position being the best tone for clean and distortion. Overall, i think i prefer mine to the new models.
Really nice channel - good, honest, non-sentimental review. I like that guitar a lot. I have to wonder what's the big deal about the "authentic CTS pots" which you can get for ~ 4 bucks over the counter. Guitar companies use potentiometers as a selling point - what a world!
I think guitarists are the problem here, I think the companies only mention it cause when they try and use cheaper stuff guitar players will call them out on it and declare your whole brand dead cause you strayed from tradition.
I know what you’re saying about the neck. I’ve been looking for an Epi LP custom to replace one I had years ago. It had a rounded comfortable neck. I was really surprised when I the new ones had a flattened back on the neck. They feel like and ESP/LTD eclipse neck now. That’s not what I want and I’m rather disappointed at it.
I just purchased one from Guitar Center. They have been on backorder forever. Call them and get a 15% discount. So I paid $466.65 for it. At that price I pulled the trigger, probably wouldn't have without the discount. I'll let you know what I think when it gets here.
Just a heads up, I have an SG from this line (the Special P90 in Sparkling Burgundy) and the neck shape really is weird. I've had it for around 6 months now so I'm used to it, but it's very strange feeling in the beginning. I'm still not absolutely in love with it (I prefer a thick, C-shaped neck), but it isn't a nuisance.
@@kyyowa129 I thought about the P90 as I do not have a guitar with P90s. This thing better stay in tune with the Vibrola or I will be returning it for the P90 SG. I am hoping I will like the neck profile.
I bought my last month and I have to say it is a great guitar. My stay's in tune better than I thought it would. I play the blues and bend the strings more than most people so my guitars don't stay in tune for very long. Now with the vibrola bar it doesn't go out of tune any more more than bending the strings. I recommend this guitar.
Tulip Kluson tuners IMHO should be considered cheap hybrid tuners because unlike a real sealed die-cast tuner like a Grover or Schaller, the crown and worm gears are literally held in place by the "peened-on" square back. The original old-style Klusion's back had two bent tounges holding it together. This all works fine until they see a decent impact against a wall or door or something- and it's usually the G string. Then you better hope the peening or tongue doesn't get damaged in any way, because then it's the beginning of the end for that tuner. If the square back separates in any way, you'll find out when you're tuning up and the gear skips a tooth. You'll then remove the tuner with the hopes of fixing it, but it's usually not fixable. I see people try to epoxy the square back down to the tuner plate. That may work for a week or two but it's not reliable. My advise.... just have the tuner holes reamed for a set of 3X3 Grover 102C on it and call it a day. They are fairly inexpensive and considered an upgrade.
Actually the most expensive Epiphone SG is the Tony Iommi model if you're counting that one :) Great video though. I was contemplating getting a Epiphone SG standard in Black, then doing customizations to it and end up with the guitar i want for $1000.
I've been playing and producing music for 30 years. I sat with this guitar (Olive Drab colour) and it's Gibson equivalent (early 60's / late 50's...I can't remember) at a local shop playing through a Fender Deluxe pointed right at me. After 30 minutes of swapping back and forth trying not to look at the headstock, I honestly would not have been able to tell which one was the Gibson... once I was able to forget which one had the bigger neck. Sound wise, with a blindfold, I seriously doubt that even the most sophisticated player could pick the Gibson more than 50% of the time, which is to say, they'd be guessing. The Gibson cost about $6000.00. If you have deep pockets then sure, buy a part of history. If playability and sound are your main criteria then this guitar gets you 98% of the way to its vintage Gibson equivalent...Imo.
I love this channel as an escape from the current world happenings. I’m sure that has been your goal. I would however suggest you add a blurb about social distancing at the beginning. There are so many people still out living life like normal, and it’s getting scary. Any little extra bit of awareness helps. I understand if you choose not to. Just a suggestion. Love the channel!
There's so many Epiphone SGs on Marketplace at any given time that buying new anymore, just ain't worth it. I see a lot of Gibson SGs in the $500 range as well.
Every Epiphone I've purchased in the last five years had those same finish cracks on the neck at the corners of the nut. I've never seen that on a new Gibson. I wonder what they are doing so consistently to produce those results.
I have the 2020 Standard as opposed to the ‘61 variants. Beside the batwing pickguard, the major difference: - the Standard has Alnico V Classic Pro pickups instead of the Alnico II ProBuckers in the ‘61s. Mine also had a distinct neck back bow that I had to work out with the truss rod. I see this on nearly every import.
You're right, the tremolo definitely doesn't cost $100. However it's not just the cost of the trem. It's the cost of stocking more parts, possibly drilling extra holes in the body, they had to develop a supplier for the tremb itself and check the quality of the parts coming in, etc.
5:03 “I always appreciate a good joint”
Me to bud 🤟🏼
"Indian yanny fretboard"
Took me a solid minute to understand that joke
Not too bright for a lawyer morty.
@@danterosales6985 i never said i was a (real) good lawyer
I still don't get it!. Care to explain it to us less enlightened people?.
Alan Thompson there’s a sound clip that people debated whether the voice was saying yanny or laurel, you can find it if you look it up
@@theavreefguy3777 I heard Trogly say Yanni, are u saying he was making a joke in reference to some other RUclips video?.
I got heart palpitations when he said "indian Yanny fretboard"
really, I farted
I just bought this. For anyone thinking of buying! Drama about the veneer it actually looks very nice in reality also the mahogany wood on the sides of the guitar looks really nice to. Not sure what strings are on it they leave a dark residue on finger tips but they actually are still not bad but will change them for slinky’s eventually. TUNING not a problem at all. It’s only a small tremolo movement not like a Floyd Rose and it’s more stabler than Floyd Rose I would say. In fact I picked this guitar because I know it’s tuning stable and I like the extra weight on that side to alleviate any neck dive . Now the neck dive is slight but not too bad at all. I have a Gibson HP SG ( no Trem) which has more neck dive than this. Also it really does feel and look like a Gibson . It feels more expensive than it is. The pickups sounds typical of an SG deep, dark , barks and lots of sustain . I once had an epiphone les Paul for similar price and it was about 4-5 years ago and this guitar is noticeably better quality no doubt about it. It’s too nice not to have a case . So I’m buying a hard case for sure. The fret board is very good, not mind blowingly good but still good. The lacquer on the back of the neck is still smooth and doesn’t affect sliding your hand around. Nut cut nice. Headstock and tuners look great. The vibrola looks like very good quality.
pablo9364 I think Epiphone has really stepped up their game this year as these SGs as well as the Les Paul standards all seem very nice and high quality. They had to step it up because their competition, Squier (Fender import line), are putting out outstanding guitars as well. It’s a good time to be a guitar player as their are so many high quality budget level guitars on the market.
I love the look of the guitar...I think it looks awesome! I'm not a huge SG fan but I really like the looks of your guitar. Just fyi:)
Also..I just bought a brand new Epiphone Ultra II and played it for a few weeks. The open e chord just sounded weird..but there was nothing wrong with the guitar. It would tune just fine. Intonation was excellent also. Well..I was playing my Fender and swapped to the LP and the open e chord sounded funny again..so I finally changed the strings to Ernie Ball regular slinky's and viola, the e chord sounded perfect. Actually everything sounded better! I'd throw a new set on there if I were you!
Papa Ruffy so true.
Michael Boyer thanks for your thoughts. I think I will change them . Thanks
This is like the okayest guitar he has ever reviewed. I have never been so undecided on if I love it or hate it lmao
I hear ya.... I got one man I got to tell you I love it. granted I only play in my basement but it feels and sounds great.. been using it through a Princeton 68 reissue
I got one as well...its okay. Lol na i like it, needs the set up done but very nice to play
@@pgroove163 sorry this is a bit late but how does the whammy work after using it for a while? (If u still play it)
@ZAQ-178 It doesn't.
I think it does add to the tone.
But if you do anything with the tremolo, you're basically asking for it to go out of tune.
Perhaps you can do a "light shimmer"
But it's not a whammy bar.
I still prefer SG with the Vibrola... but functionally, it's useless.
@@adamjacksonmedia Pretty much the same reason i fitted a Bigsby (copy) to my Telecaster, i don't use it just love the look of it, most of my playing doesn't require a tremolo of any kind, surprisingly the Tele stays in tune even when I've lightly used the Bigsby, it has changed the tone of the guitar with the longer string run. I'm thinking about buying one of these SG's (why i'm here looking at this lol), but purely for the flashy looks.
So here's my mini-review of the stop tail version. I love it, 9.5 out of 10. The neck is flatter on the back, which took some time to get used to, but once I did I was in love. Comes stock with 10-42 strings which were a little light for me but eh. Fretwork was great, setup was good, and nothing felt out of place. As far as the pickups go, I was underwhelmed with the bridge pickup, as it didn't have that bite that SGs are known for, but the neck pickup sounded fantastic to me, especially with some overdrive. Overall, it is now my main guitar, and I will do modifications over time, but for now, it gets a solid 9.5 out of 10 for me. Keep it up Epiphone!!
I got the same one, no veneer, stop tail, and the neck seemed ridiculously fat at first, but i like it now.
An SG is ALL NECK anyway, so it seems like a thin neck would break easier.
Trogly, I just wanted to say thanks a bunch for the uploads. I’m going through a kind of rough patch in life right now, but your videos really do brighten up my day.
Mine came in a couple weeks ago. I did have to set a relief on the neck and I haven't had any fret buzz issues since. I didn't find any finish errors or shipping damage on the guitar. Sounds great and looks beautiful. Overall I'm very happy with the purchase.
Awesome!
These videos help satisfy my itch for new gear during quarantine/social distancing. Thanks for keeping me sane.
I find flat-backed necks are more comfortable if you leave your thumb centered on the back of the neck (playing arpeggios, complex chords, etc), while rounded necks are nicer for simple chords and blues/pentatonic leads where you wrap your thumb around the edge of the neck.
I ordered the Pelham Blue Special SG, and I almost sent it back because of the weird flat U neck profile. I changed my mind after about an hour of playing. I find it to be an extremely comfortable neck to play even though I traditionally prefer a nice round ‘59 type neck.
I like fat necks since most of the time i have my thumb over the neck but i'm starting to really like thin necks that they have on sgs so ye ur right
I scolded Jimmy Page about the thumb over thing
@@johnlund2654 page-style blues rock licks are perfect for the thumb over the back style. Especially with the guitar slung low like he does. You can barely keep your thumb on the back with your strap that low anyway but it just depends on what you're trying to play.
I thought this was gonna be the Pelham giveaway results. As always awesome video tho dude keep it up!
I want Epiphone to reissue the Coronet, I just emailed them that the other day. I doubt they will listen, but I want one so bad, and, they are too expensive on the used market.
I want them to reissue all the wilshire derivatives (i:e Coronet, Wilshire, Crestwood, Olympic Double,etc)
@@TealScarab That would be awsome. Do you know how we could get and electronic petition going, that we could the send to Epiphone? I know it may not get them to do it, but I think it is worth trying.
@@TealScarab I just emailed them about it, and I plan on doing it everyday.
In the '80's I had a '60's Wilshire 12 string with 2 mini-humbuckers that I paid $80 for and a '60's Coronet with a chrome covered dog eared P90 pickup. Paid $125 for that one. Both were in good shape. I sold them both together one day for $250 when I was broke and needed $$ to buy car insurance so that I could get a job. Big mistake! Try to find a Wilshire 12 string! The Coronet is worth a ton these days.
@@williamolsen20 dude..China has some shit going on right now
The day they stop using that veneer I'd consider buying one.
Iago B I feel like it kills tone and this feels like a toy compared to the Gibson
You'll be waiting a long time!
@@radio7353 that's very generous. Wood is like 0.01% of the tone max
They did this to the 50s Standard LPs back as well, literally the only thing stopping me from buying a Gold Top is that god awful veneer, I’d rather see sub par wood and a seam or two than a 1970s piece of furniture. Also a version with p90s wouldn’t hurt either
@@joederue9900 Just got the Burny P90 Goldtop (RLG60P)
Paid £449 ($635)
Fantastic guitar, better than any Epiphone’s I’ve owned or played, closer to my Gibson’s!
Look up any prior Epi SG 400 cherry and see they did the whole body including bevels with veneer... why they chose to do it this way now is beyond me... now I am referring to satin finish version...
Agreed. It looks pretty half-assed.
Yeah, Yey should have chosen a plain veneer and not made it look so phony.
The older ones were very well colour matched, this just looks 2 tone between the veneer and the body
Adam D. I stripped a 2009 epi sg and it had the same goofy veneer. Bevels weren’t done
@@marshallmason1621 no shit wow
I love mine! It looks and sounds terrific! I'm completely happy with it. Some of you just love to knit-pick.
Nightstroller right😂 if it were 50 dollars cheaper, maybe I’d consider it. The guys buys high dollar guitars and nitpicks a budget guitar. The new Epiphone are incredible values, as compared to USA made Gibson’s which themselves are hit and miss cosmetically most the time.
Most any guitar can and will sound great with a proper setup and in the hands of a musician.
I just picked one up. I too love it! I think it plays great!
@@bobtompkins825 That's excellent! The difference between these and an actual Gibson SG are so infinitesimal it's ridiculous.
Great honest review! As always. I own this guitar. Mine was made November 2019 as well. I actually love this guitar. I really like the way the neck feels. I love the tone of the Humbuckers and to my ears don’t hear the pickups as muddy. Not at all. I have several amps. All amps sound clear and articulate to my ears. Believe me, I’ve heard plenty of muddy Humbuckers and don’t hear these as muddy. I’ll be honest, I owned a Gibson SG Original 2 that had a Mastero Vibro last and was so disappointed. The neck felt heavier than the body and it never stayed in tune. For me this guitar is awesome for the price point. It feels very well made and I honest to goodness look at this guitar as a more expensive guitar than it is. I did have to make adjustments to the neck and action to make it play without any buzz. I really appreciate this guitar for the price and what I get out of if. Also, it stays in tune just fine. I don’t dive bomb the Vivrato but use it often. The Way the veneer looks surprisingly doesn’t bother me because of how well it plays and feels. I don’t even notice that. Thanks again for the review. I love your videos man!
Good defending of this cheap guitar
Mike From Nashville In the demo I didn’t hear the pick-ups as being muddy. Some people only see the forest for the trees maybe
They should have just painted the whole thing red...honestly the verticals grain is annoying
I love it!
I have no problem with the vertical grain. In fact, some early 70s SGs had a really nice vertical ribbon grain like that. However, the veneer just looks kinda bad, especially when it's on top of a completely different type of mahogany.
Or just don't use the veneer. Nothing wrong with unfigured grain, SG's aren't meant to look exotic.
i think it looks cool
Looks amazing.
Deleted footage or not, I would never question your dedication to this channel!
Jah Man
I've purchased 3 Epiphones over the last 5 years: Tony Iommi SG (2nd version), Brent Hinds Flying V, and Prohecy Les Paul (newest). Zero finish flaws. Zero fret issues. The Prophecy came from GC and needed a setup, but otherwise zero problems.
I grew up with a 1963 Epiphone "Professional" (335-type body, 1 neck mini-humbuck) and it had that style of neck. So I'm one of those guys who loves that style of neck. I was taught to put my thumb on that flat area in the back, so the rounded back feel like a lump to me. I appreciate your style of evaluation.
Man, I Love that veneer! The color too. The SG is the only Gibson I personally would buy. I didn't care for that trem. Looks like something I would build outta my toolbox. I would love to see an SG with that old knife edge trem Ibanez used to have. I still play one. Properly set up, you can bend up or down by quite a bit. Easy to string, and stays tuned very well.
I just got an Epiphone G400 Pro and I love it!
My Gibson SG 61 reissue aged cherry with 59 pickups and Maestro Vibrato stays in tune great. The action is super low, medium jumbo frets, with nibbed fret ends. It was an exclusive run by American Musical Supply. I thought about the same model Epiphone SG but went with the Gibson and I don't regret it. I kind of like the two tone effect of the veneer top and sides.
I have that same guitar but mine is a 2005 epiphone custom shop with chrome grover tuners with a mahogany top. Got it for 350 with a hard case from a pawn shop and it's in really good condition. Its from korea I think, I've never seen another one like it.
cool profile pic dude
That distorted tone... Awesome, I m in love
Oh man, I have seen some INSANE pieces of flamed mahogany covered up by that silly veneer. I get it on the Les Pauls - the binding and the roundover on the back hide the join fairly well, but the SGs just look daft. Let the body wood shine, I say!
Today I learned Trogly appreciates a good joint
Who doesn't
I used to own a Chinese-made Epi LP Standard (made in early 2000s).
Quality in this particular new Epiphone actually seems to be quite an improvement over their older Chinese stuff.
BTW, they have been doing this veneer thing for a long time and on variety of models, I think probably since they started doing guitars in Korea and China.
Your channel definitely makes me a smarter buyer of instruments. Thanks, Austin!
The striped pattern on the body is ugly to me.
I love it, but I hate it at the same time. It drives me crazy.
@@aWildJosh213 Same here. I hate it but almost want to buy one. I don't understand.
I liked the stripes
It looks like something out of a circus.
@@bugdrvr I would be all over it but that wood grain is awful
Getting me through self-isolation Trogly. Always a pleasure watching your videos!
I just subscribed to your RUclips channel and I am very delighted with the content and this video (Epiphone SG) in particular,on account I have always loved Gibson/Epiphone SG's. Thank you for your input and opinion
Thought about for several minutes and having watched various review videos that you've done feeling comfortable that you know your guitars. and more or less nostalgia having owned a cheap knockoff that took a lot of work to get it to play within reasonable satisfaction I decided to go ahead and purchase that SG from you through Reverb and got the verification email. Still thinking of building my own custom but who know i might build Les Paul or a Telecaster semi hollow. Thanks again for teasing the crap out of me and twisting my arm to buy her. Lol. I tried before in the past to purchase other guitars but they were gone before I finished the video. Can't wait to get her.
Got this guitar for Christmas and have loved it since the moment I pluged it in
Austin, get a Katana or something to do a "budget" sound. While it's awesome to hear these, you're playing them through a mesa lol. Most people buying these probably won't be playing through something like that.
Love the vids, cheers from Toledo
Except you can sound even better with the katana if you know what to do
@@matthewguarna2975 yeah, I get they're good (I played one at a local store to see for myself) but they're not that good, not up against a Mesa or any higher end tube amp.
@@matthewguarna2975 nah. I have a katana and his exact same Mesa. You aren't getting anyyyyy Mesa tones that aren't compressed and noisegated to hell that you're losing Dynamics. Good amps, but they're no Mesa.
Austin man! This B roll!! I'm loving your reviews and footage I have no idea how you continuously put out amazing material! Just know its appreciated!
11:00 philip mcknight calls that "Mother of toilet seat"
Its kinda funny that even the Gibson 'mother of pearl' is not the real one, just a better fake then this one.
If just heard that from Ben Crow of crimson guitars
that has been around forever. youtubers didnt invent shit
I own this guitar. And this guitar feels good. It looks good in real life. And I was able to get an angus young tone since my favorite band is ACDC. But one day ill own an actual gibson sg. For now, this guitar is a killer. Id recommended for beginners or just to appear as if you own and actual SG 😂
I honestly love the veneer, it kind of reminds me of some Kiesel guitar finishes, where they do some parts raw wood and others with a burl or something similar, I love the almost two-toneness of it.
I don’t comment much but I watch a ton. Thanks for your content, especially in times like these.
It’s a 61 type which has a SLIM neck. In 35 years I’ve never bought an electric guitar which was “set up” to my specs. I really dislike when people start casting aspersions only because it’s not a “name brand”. The Epiphone SG is well built. The guitar has great electronics, great caps, great pots, a great bridge and top nut. The best acoustic I’ve ever owned is an Epiphone DR500. The list of acoustics I’ve owned is vast and includes guitars priced from $3400 to $600. The best electric Les Paul model is an Epiphone 60’s Tribute Plus. The list of electrics includes prices from $3200 to $400. The best Strat type was a standard Strat by Fender. Second best is the Sire Larry Carlton series. The technology to build great instruments is spread all over the world now. We no longer live in the 60’s when only American companies had the ability. In summary, don’t be fooled by a “name”. Play the guitars yourself and understand that the majority of guitars will need to be set up. This guitar shown is as good as any SG made. Most People wouldn’t know the difference if you changed the name on the headstock. Tuning issues with the vibrola is common. Most people use pencil lead inside the grooves of the top nut.
A good, succinct review. Quick and to the points of issues. Really liked this one.
The guitar, I agree is hit or miss on what you like. The tremolo for me is a waste but rest would be doable. As always, compared to Gibson and a budget minded player/collector, this would win in my book.
I know what I'm getting with an Epi and am willing to work with it as a hobby. I'd be pissed to cough up an extra K for a name that was too far from perfect.
Good job on givin us the lo-down. 👍
Personally I love the looks, it a shame that it needed setting up from the box. I’d buy one.
Same this is the only video that made me less stoked about it!
I like a flattened off neck. It's a happy go between for me, not too extreme like the Ibanez wizard or Jackson type, but not clunky. It's that comfort for having the thumb on the back for fast stuff, but still being able to hang the thumb easily for muting and bending reasons. I have a 2015 Gibson SG Standard, and it's that kind of neck, maybe it's just mine, but certainly it's ideal for how I play. Actually the reason why I just got a new epi is the styled of neck
@9:37 you said "Indian Yanny" fretboard, then Laurel. Is that a reference to that Laurel/Yanny thing from a few years back? haha. That's hilarious. Great review! 👍
I'm glad you broke this down because I've been so close to pulling the trigger on buying an SG.
Get a g400 no ugly top and it's way cheaper with same pickups.
Hey trogly, There is a product on stew mac called fret butter. It is a cloth a reusable cloth that cleans your fretboard, while also polishing your frets! You can use it on any neck accept unfinished maple.
Just rewatched and still enjoying this guitar.
I have a 2011 epiphone sg g400 pro and it's fantastic. It plays soo loud acoustically. It's perfect, i love epiphone. Anyways, great video as usual.
Best review ever - wow all reviews should be this thorough
Awesome review! Is this model also very sensible to neck bending? Mine will "bend" and change the sound pitch very easy... I never used other SG to compare, but none of my guitars did that
As always nice review. Do you have plans to review the Epip SG Special with P-90's? That's the one I'm most interested in.
Thanks for those great in depths reviews. They are amongst the best out there imo.
Keep it up 👍
I have an Original 1970 Gibson SG Standard with the Gibson Vibrola with 10 - 56 strings and never had trouble with it going out of tune except when a string broke.
I totally agree! The necks of the Epiphones I've had, has always been wrong for me. I need a good C shape neck, and I needed to go to a Gibson guitar to get that. I don't know why, but some Squire guitars (telecasters) have a really good C-shape neck. As always: great content, Austin! Love this channel!
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Is 3 camera angles too much on the Work Bench or do you like it?
🐕 Episode Guide:
0:05 - Unboxing
1:02 - First Impressions
2:19 - Model Info / History
3:52 - Inside Look / Specs
14:32 - Tone Demo
16:44 - Final Thoughts
19:29 - Blacklight Test
19:51 - The Box
📹 Mentioned Videos:
Unboxing New Epiphones: ruclips.net/video/BL3pzVGxIl8/видео.html
Gibson Maestro Vibrola: ruclips.net/video/FVy28B8lEB8/видео.html
Hey Austin, why did you list it on reverb as good condition? It's a brand new guitar.
Subjectively, the SG shape has only occasionally tempted me over the last 26 years I've been a guitar player. If I thought I would get one (Gibson OR Epiphone), that vibrato isn't worth the headaches it seems to foster. Good for weight distribution, but I would probably take off the whammy bar itself and wedge it in place to preserve tuning stability.
The body / neck wood thing with Epiphone is kind of weird. They advertise it as "mahagony", but when I bought one the invoice stated it as "Aucoumea klaineana" wood. This type of wood carries the word "mahagony" in its trade name (Gaboon mahagony), but it is a completely different species. Wikipedia reads out "It is a weak wood, with low decay resistance and moderate dimensional stability. The major use of gaboon is in the manufacture of plywood." So after all the only real mahagony on my G400 is the goofy looking vineer. Acousticly, my Epi sounds rather dead compared to my Gibson SG. But amplified its a whole different thing. I've put a SD "Saturday Night Special" set into the Epi, which workes out fine. And after doing that the original Gibson pups wouldn't even get closer. Therefore, I've put Burstbuckers into the Gibson, so it has come closer to the Epi. But not quite the whole distance. Obviously, the damping characteristc of the Gaboon is much more intense as with mahagony, which leaves some play for a good set of pickups.
GREAT beauty shots my dude! that motorized slider is working out great for you!
I know I'm late to the party here but the grain of the body and neck seems to vary a lot based on the example. The one in this video looks terrible, but the grain on the body and neck of mine looks absolutely incredible and blends so well with the veneer. I had to get really close up with a light to notice the change in grain, and the neck on mine almost looks flamed due to the amount of character in the wood. I've seen worse looking Gibsons, and I picked mine up used with the plastics still wrapped for $300! Worth doing a little extra research to get a super underrated guitar
Sometimes I feel like the only person who genuinely loves the slim taper D 1960’s neck. Not quite ibanez wizard, not quite fender C.
Did you mask off the serial number yet show it off in the bridge pickup cavity
Great question. You can even scan the whole QR code 19111526145#191113#EISS61MVCNH1
Ik I’m kinda late but for people who hate the veneer, there are other colours yknow. Unless yall want the red which is understandable then yeah.
Hey Trogly, my name is Mick. I watch you channel all the time! I really enjoy how much info you pack in your videos. Im somewhat local (not really) being from South East Michigan and was wondering?...You have sort of a mid-western non regional accent but you over enunciate your “T’s”. For instance every time you say metal you break it up into 2 syllables Meh-Tal. Just an observation and by no means meant to be derogatory. I rather enjoy the quirkinesses of it. Was just curious if you always speak that way or are trying to be very clear when you’re recording?
I think the best Epi SGs (aesthetically) are the muse SGs and the customs. The others, with that veneer and vertical grain looks too unnatural
hola, que tal cómo estás, yo muy bien, y tu?
i dont like the stripes as they look like 70's office furniture
Looks like my dad's office
Those pickups sound far brighter than I would have expected.
15:49 you nailed slashs tone on dont damn me there
Yea, I've got an sg g400 pro, no vibrato of course, and I love it! And i really like the old headstock, and it has mother of pearl inlays, logo and flower pot. The neck felt weird at first, because the only Gibson I've ever had is a Les Paul studio. I usually play all Fender stuff. But after playing it for a few minutes, it's fine and there's more room for picking a solo. And yes, i agree about the middle position being the best tone for clean and distortion. Overall, i think i prefer mine to the new models.
Really nice channel - good, honest, non-sentimental review. I like that guitar a lot. I have to wonder what's the big deal about the "authentic CTS pots" which you can get for ~ 4 bucks over the counter. Guitar companies use potentiometers as a selling point - what a world!
I think guitarists are the problem here, I think the companies only mention it cause when they try and use cheaper stuff guitar players will call them out on it and declare your whole brand dead cause you strayed from tradition.
The veneer is much better when you see The guitar yourself, I own one and Im very happy with it
Have you ever owned an expensive or really nice guitar? Just curious.
@@Xxmeca421xX i have a 2000$ sunburst Fender Strat
@@lasseskogolsen2367 Dont you just hate “Guitar Snobs!” 😊
Love the gloss. Maybe they should have just kept the color wood grain free? For the vibrato, couldn't you graphite the nut too? Sounds sweet.
Your dedication is appreciated!
The tuning could be improved by using a string Butler add-on for the headstock which is only like 40 to $50
I wanna thank you for the wonderful reviews you do your very articulate in your very detailed your show was absolutely wonderful
Seriously considering this model. Thanks for the thorough review. 🤓
Excellent review as usual from Trogly's.
I've been waiting for this video!
" I always appreciate a good joint..."
I don't like SGs. Never have. However, after seeing this one, I am in love! The color and especially the Vibrola really make me want one.
Stripe then bevel, looks weird to me.
I know what you’re saying about the neck. I’ve been looking for an Epi LP custom to replace one I had years ago. It had a rounded comfortable neck. I was really surprised when I the new ones had a flattened back on the neck. They feel like and ESP/LTD eclipse neck now. That’s not what I want and I’m rather disappointed at it.
I just purchased one from Guitar Center. They have been on backorder forever. Call them and get a 15% discount. So I paid $466.65 for it. At that price I pulled the trigger, probably wouldn't have without the discount. I'll let you know what I think when it gets here.
Just a heads up, I have an SG from this line (the Special P90 in Sparkling Burgundy) and the neck shape really is weird. I've had it for around 6 months now so I'm used to it, but it's very strange feeling in the beginning. I'm still not absolutely in love with it (I prefer a thick, C-shaped neck), but it isn't a nuisance.
@@kyyowa129 I thought about the P90 as I do not have a guitar with P90s. This thing better stay in tune with the Vibrola or I will be returning it for the P90 SG. I am hoping I will like the neck profile.
I bought my last month and I have to say it is a great guitar. My stay's in tune better than I thought it would. I play the blues and bend the strings more than most people so my guitars don't stay in tune for very long. Now with the vibrola bar it doesn't go out of tune any more more than bending the strings.
I recommend this guitar.
Tulip Kluson tuners IMHO should be considered cheap hybrid tuners because unlike a real sealed die-cast tuner like a Grover or Schaller, the crown and worm gears are literally held in place by the "peened-on" square back. The original old-style Klusion's back had two bent tounges holding it together. This all works fine until they see a decent impact against a wall or door or something- and it's usually the G string. Then you better hope the peening or tongue doesn't get damaged in any way, because then it's the beginning of the end for that tuner. If the square back separates in any way, you'll find out when you're tuning up and the gear skips a tooth. You'll then remove the tuner with the hopes of fixing it, but it's usually not fixable. I see people try to epoxy the square back down to the tuner plate. That may work for a week or two but it's not reliable. My advise.... just have the tuner holes reamed for a set of 3X3 Grover 102C on it and call it a day. They are fairly inexpensive and considered an upgrade.
Actually the most expensive Epiphone SG is the Tony Iommi model if you're counting that one :) Great video though. I was contemplating getting a Epiphone SG standard in Black, then doing customizations to it and end up with the guitar i want for $1000.
I like the guitar in the background effect. Great job!
What a beauty.. I'd rock one, that's for sure! 😎
Your diction is really, really good, man.
I've been playing and producing music for 30 years. I sat with this guitar (Olive Drab colour) and it's Gibson equivalent (early 60's / late 50's...I can't remember) at a local shop playing through a Fender Deluxe pointed right at me. After 30 minutes of swapping back and forth trying not to look at the headstock, I honestly would not have been able to tell which one was the Gibson... once I was able to forget which one had the bigger neck. Sound wise, with a blindfold, I seriously doubt that even the most sophisticated player could pick the Gibson more than 50% of the time, which is to say, they'd be guessing. The Gibson cost about $6000.00. If you have deep pockets then sure, buy a part of history. If playability and sound are your main criteria then this guitar gets you 98% of the way to its vintage Gibson equivalent...Imo.
Sweet. Would you be able to do a review on the new Epiphone inspired by Gibson Flying V?
I love this channel as an escape from the current world happenings. I’m sure that has been your goal. I would however suggest you add a blurb about social distancing at the beginning. There are so many people still out living life like normal, and it’s getting scary. Any little extra bit of awareness helps. I understand if you choose not to. Just a suggestion. Love the channel!
Apparently RUclipsrs have to be careful about this, as RUclips can de-monetise in relation to the Coronavirus issue ...
There's so many Epiphone SGs on Marketplace at any given time that buying new anymore, just ain't worth it. I see a lot of Gibson SGs in the $500 range as well.
i was considering buying this model but thanks to you now i know its not worth it, thanks trogly
Every Epiphone I've purchased in the last five years had those same finish cracks on the neck at the corners of the nut. I've never seen that on a new Gibson. I wonder what they are doing so consistently to produce those results.
I have the 2020 Standard as opposed to the ‘61 variants. Beside the batwing pickguard, the major difference:
- the Standard has Alnico V Classic Pro pickups instead of the Alnico II ProBuckers in the ‘61s.
Mine also had a distinct neck back bow that I had to work out with the truss rod. I see this on nearly every import.
Oh thank god, another review. ‘Cause I was getting worried.
You're right, the tremolo definitely doesn't cost $100. However it's not just the cost of the trem. It's the cost of stocking more parts, possibly drilling extra holes in the body, they had to develop a supplier for the tremb itself and check the quality of the parts coming in, etc.
i love that neck shape