I like the idea, but reimagined with an unbound ebony fretboard, no vibrola and in the 1499-1799 price range to give it an edge over other SGs. 🟢Buy My Demo on Website: www.troglysguitarshow.com 🔴Reverb: reverb.com/shop/troglys?_aid=growsumo&gs_partner=Trogly 🐕 Private Help Sessions: troglysguitarshow.com/help-appraisals/
Maybe it would've sold better with mini humbuckers or P90s. I wouldn't say give it a gig bag but maybe a hard side case. But as is with that hard case is the only reason I'd consider it. Did the make the Fool SG yet ? Just saying.
1. No guitar looks cooler than an SG with a Maestro Vibrola. Period. The lyre tailpiece just KILLS. 2. $2200 for a guitar with "exceptionally bad QC." What could possibly be more Gibson USA than that? Absolutely nothing.
It should have gone to the demo shop. That's where I got my SG standard. A few inclusions and a ding or two, and I paid $1399. No tail piece and it came in one of the good Gibson gig bags with the protective walls, tho. After you add the tail piece and call it a 61 reissue with hsc, up the price goes
Everyone knows those are great big duds 1st off ugly faded finish 2nd off those stupid bridges do NOT stay in tune and the price is a joke yep they need to dump those things people are not stupid 🤮👎
Agreed, that model is waaaayyyy overpriced for what it is. I think you're right that $1700 would be more in the ballpark, but they're still overpriced compared to the used offerings.
I have a 1993 lefty candy apple blue SG standard, it's the only lefty I've seen, there have been a few righties on Reverb over the years.... yep I know the colour name makes no sense 🙂
Just bring back the gibson sg faded they started in 2001. The first ones had very thin finish and 490 pickups. Every year they also released some with ebony fret boards and crescent moon inlays. Great guitars and were priced between $699-$899 depending on what year it was.
Qc is junk on this SG, basically got a factory second and paid full price. That said, I'd do 1200 for it. Let me know if you really want to get rid of it
I had the same experience with my Les Paul 50s Faded. It’s a great guitar, but should have been a factory 2nd due to the poor binding work (ugly scrapes, a ridge along the entire guitar). I got mine early in the run. I think they eventually figured it out.
To me it needs white and black zebra bobbins to wake it up and give it a color pop. That's always been my favorite look on a Gibson uncovered pickup guitar. Definitely leave the bound fingerboard though IMO. Also Trogly I still have the 2014 model Derek Trucks SG I bought from your Reverb store back in March 2017. It will always be one of my all time favorite guitars I will never sell.
I’m shocked by all the QC issues. AIO guitars don’t have these issues and a quarter of the price. They come properly set up from the factory too. I love SGs, I’m saddened by this example.
"This guitar JUST gives Derek Truck vibes."..........JUST?? You've obviously never seen him play live!😅 He's the sickest slide player in the world! Blew away B.B.KING and John Mayer, with his playing! There's a bunch of videos of him and his band on RUclips. Check him out Trog!
uhhh, Derek Truck? I think you mean FRANK ZAPPA 100% is the same guitar. Gibson has an actual Zappa SG for $5K all day lmaoooo This faded SG is a sleeper . I'm gonna get one asap
People really do need to start sending these back to Gibson. A guitar over 2k shouldn't have fit and finish problems. The only way they're going to learn is if it starts costing them money.
Hey, what are your thoughts on Gibson finally releasing a White 80's explorer and V, I think I might just pull the trigger when it comes back in stock. *its on the Gibson website under new arrivals*
I purchased a new LP Standard in 2019 based on all of the online hype that "Gibson is back". What a freaking lie that was. My brand new NOT B STOCK Les Paul had been factory polished so heavy handed that the finish had been buffed off of the back edge of the body down to bare wood and the nut was seated so poorly that it leaned back at an angle (meaning the scale length was technically longer than it should have been). NEVER again with these clowns.
I just don't understand how Gibson's QC can be so consistently bad. I mean, if you wet to buy a new car, you wouldn't buy one with dings, scratches and rust holes would you? For the price of a Gibson, it should be immaculate, every time.
Ok, brokie with 3 gibbies here: >$2100 SG that isn't Custom Shop >muh Vibrola ($200 option at BEST) >FADED (so SHOULD BE A DISCOUNT) It's an SG faded with a stupid tailpiece and traps, FOH Sad, Gibson was low key the best USA brand for throwing us poor dogs a bone. I took home my 02 Melody Maker for $379 N E W out the door, still love it. A pos Dillon was more dough. 97 SG-1, $400 used, these were like 500 bucks new. My 01 "mini trap" AAA top Studio was less than 800 bucks. In LA, just 5 years ago, needed nothing. Maybe $1200 new for a flametop LP that makes PRS dudes seethe. Sorry Gibson - can't make excuses for this. BTW a Vibrola iirc is an essential part of exactly 0 famous players' styles. It looks cool & helps neck dive, that's it.
Yea, Gibson does it again. Everything they can to stay in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. I read two weeks ago they have finally crawled their way out, reorganization as they call it! Now, maybe they can get their act together and start pricing guitars at that are NOT for the upper 10% of the income producing individuals. The Murphy Lab guitars and their prices are insane and let's add, "Greeny" to that list. I have a Greeny, but I bought the new Epiphone version at $1499.00. Mine's solid, some are coming in from those talented Chinese luthiers with absolute poor craftsmanship-Shame On You Gibson/Epiphone. Are they communist or free market, hard to tell when EVERYTHING you buy has MIC on it. Of the 78 guitars I own 5 are new. 1, DID I SAY ONE Gibson, '21 Standard 60's in Tri Burst $2150.00 at Guitar Center, 2 Martin 2019 LTD #33 and #36 of 50, Martin OM-15 Streetmaster and a Takamine Blue Rose from 2021. That is the one and only time I will pay full pop for a Gibson. Way too many guitars as good as, or certainly better, for realistic prices. I don't need Gibson on my guitar to say, "I made it to the top". My Schecter's, and others, can compete with any guitar on the market.
The sg doesn’t look as good with the satin finish. I wonder how it would look polished up? I bought one of the 335 natural faded and it’s a great guitar, did have a couple finish flaws and similar binding issues on the neck, but would be cool to see one on the channel. The best thing to do with the trem is mod it into the Derek trucks style with just the cover part
I have a 90 "Ferrari" red SG Special. It's the best playing guitar I have ever played for the past 30 yrs. I was able to get it at $900.00 at that time... $2100.00 is just ridiculous during these times... I'm looking for a new electric but the craftsmanship seems "Lacking" these days...
I don't get the whole faded/satin finish-thing, nor do I like it. An interesting point that is being made here without actually stating it, is that companies very often cannibalize their own product line with some of their offerings. I don't even want to get into the confusion this creates for the average consumer. Bring back the olden days when an SG was an SG, a Les Paul was a Les Paul and a Strat was a Strat. The only guitars that were close to adhering to that philosophy were those from the company's respective custom shops, but in recent years even those are "eating" each other.
You should go back to the guy whose name is on the checklist.. crappy binding,damage,buffing burns,paint blotches,bad staining....he obviously didn't notice any of this.
Gibson should consider an SG equivalent to the Les Paul Modern Lite in the $1400-$1500 range. As far as the trem system, I am all about bare-bones rockers, so this one and the $2500 version had very little appeal to me. It's definitely a niche market. But I love the SG, and anything they can do to brighten its appeal is appreciated Like the custom colors.
Gibson doesn’t need to do anything in the $1500 range now that they’ve tricked idiots into paying that much for their china epiphones. All they have to do is put Joe Bonamassa or Kirk Hammets name on them and throw some bs about gibson custom shop on the epiphone case and fanboys will gladly pay them 1500. Anybody who would buy a brand new poverty-spec base model gibson for 1500 is a moron anyway when you can get used Gibson Standard’s for that.
@@TrashM0nk95 a 5lb SG? Good luck with that lol. Idk how that would happen. You’d have to have some super light wood, super light hardware. And i think you’d still be 6.5 lbs. unless you went with a super thin/small body. I think it might be possible but you’d have to shrink it, make it really thin, and you’d have to use super light like cheap tin hardware, and have 1 p90 or something, and maybe you could have it be 5lbs, but Idk. My SG is 7lbs 1oz and it’s by far my lightest guitar. If you want a 5lb SG I recommend you get a Korina Flying V. I had a used 2023 epiphone IBGCS korina flying V - that was just over 5lbs, and tbh it was sort of rowdier than an SG. It’s like brighter like it wants to scream and do the Albert king thing, almost like a strat and a LP had a baby. The only problem with those is that they are so thin that the neck breaks inside their hard cases. Mine came pre-cracked at the neck joint. I couldn’t tell if it was just the finish cracked or the wood. But if you figure out how to get a 5lb normal sized and still quality SG let me know cuz I love light guitars.
@@WithCarePlz maple necks typically are lighter than mahogany by a pound or two. But yeah would probably have to be a single P90, volume knob only, and maybe a slightlyyy thinner body OR a small extension of routing the top under a batwing guard.
A pretty good $400 guitar. Gibson's pricing & QC is an absolute joke - at least 4 times higher than they're worth considering how poorly finished they are.
Hey man. Don't know if you're aware, but Mark Knopfler is auctioning his guitars. If you ever have the opportunity to make a video like you did for the David Gilmour auction, it would be great. Cheers.
The satin finish is a great idea except for its price, it makes no sense. Whatever Gibson has left on them including the dealers should close them out at $1499 a pop and if they sell them fast? could you bring them back at the same cost? Will Gibson do that? probably not lol. I got my brand new Gibson '61 SG in Translucent Green because it is a different color and man does it look cool. It plays very well and does everything I want it to do with very little effort when set up properly.
@@phillipvisnaw2355 Is yours more like an emerald green? mine is with hints of teal when the light hits it a certain way. The color is super cool though and very different from my other guitars. Besides the color, it plays and sounds amazing. Congrats on yours.
@@michaelheller8841 I don't own one, but if I were to get it I'd buy the one you got... I'm thinking about selling a couple to justify another purchase..
All of the faded series are not good QC. This also includes the Greeny as well. The binding pokes out along the neck and body. It can be done better. The Epiphone Greeny suffers none of this. Yep, it's definitely time to banish all of these. Just way over-priced crap!
L trogly I have one question with all those cosmetic problems why would you accept it why wouldn't you send it back I don't understand why people will get pay that kind of money for a guitar and then have those type of problems and send it back that's why Gibson keeps sending guitars like this out because they know people are just going to keep them anyway I don't know you know I own a few gifts I own this lol you know I can't see and if someone told me that such horrible cosmetic problems when I got the guitar I always have someone go over my guitars and you know little things real little things I live with but otherwise it's just a matter of principle anyway I would have sent it back sincerely Bob the blind I have a 2005 I have a 2005 SG special with a wine red gloss finish I know they made him an Ebony and I know they made him an orange but I think the reds right they must have been like a store order or a special order or something and that that could talk didn't have any blemishes at all on it as far as finishes go as far as touch goes you knowtext to wilkos I don't see anymore it's like a piece of glass that that SG special that the wine red finish on it is literally like a piece of glass it's just as smooth as can be and it's really great guitar again sincerely above the
If only it was a bit cheaper and had the batwing pickguard. That could scratch the Roxy Zappa itch ... although looking at the Roxy SG it did have small pickguard. Must be the Captain Kirk influence :))
I bought one of these back in April this year from GAK in the UK for £1499 in a sale. Haven’t found any QC issues and it plays fantastically, it’s my first SG and would highly recommend based on the one I have.
I don’t really like the ‘61 SG in general, and the faded costs way too much for what it is. I can’t understand the ‘61 SG in general. Instead of getting a ‘61 (I played 5) I ended up picking up a used Ebony 2017 SG Standard T w/ohsc for 1000. It weighs under 7lbs, it came with locking grovers from the factory, and mine has a piece of rosewood that’s so dark that it looks like ebony. Once I lowered the pickups down to about the plastic ring (a bit higher than that on high side) it sounds fantastic too. It feels super silky and premium, light as a feather, and it sounds phenomenal. I had planned on swapping out the pcb board- but once I adjusted the pickups it sounds phenomenal so why bother swapping the pcb. But for $1000. I struggle to understand why anyone would pay for a brand new ‘61 sg faded. Or a ‘61 sg standard for that matter. Oh well, to each their own. But then again we live in a world where after sales tax yahoos are paying almost 2k for chinese epiphones, so I digress
My 2014 '61 SG Original II in Antique Cherry with the same Lyre vibrola, a gloss finish and in mint condition cost me $1700 barely a year ago, and blows that away in the looks department, plus it has '57 Classics in it
I'm ready to sale mine, thought I would like this SG with vibrola, but without investing in locking tuners, these don't stay in tune, and the bridge on these, has to be almost down all the way,just to get the action right, and there is no way to go any lower, if the neck warps in the future, the guitar weighs too much also,the vibrola is uncomfortable and the pickups sound like the tone is rolled off, before you turn the tone down.
The mods you just described are almost exactly what the SG Faded was back in, I believe 2014. Exception being it was a large pick guard model and had the 490 pickup set (also had a rounder slightly thicker neck). Great guitar. I bought mine used in near mint condition for $400. Think they go used now for about $700 on the used market.
@@rocknrollresignation93I put a Bigsby with a Vibramate on my 90s Special to stop the neck dive. I’m swapping that for a Stetsbar when I have the time.
Kind of struggling to figure out Gibson's intended market lately. Between the 600 different Adam Jones and Hammett models and slew of plain models in the demo shop - just feels like they've resigned themselves to ONLY being a dad rock brand and keep playing into it.
I can see where it would be super easy to burn that finish. I have a lot of experience buffing poly finishes and they are very forgiving. These guitars, not so much. My personal guitar is a Les Paul that I accidentally burned thru the thin nitro finish on in a split second. I'm pretty sure you didn't get that from Sweetwater. They would have refused it. The tooling issue on the side of the neck and that finish burn should never have made it past QC that way.
I have an original 1965 SG with the trem. I have a fair number of guitars and my SG is the best playing guitar I have ever used - bar none. It has a very low action and 9s on it and you can still play slide on it without fretting out. This guitar is so easy to play it's ridiculously fast - way faster than I am capable of being. The trem works great and stays in tune. I like all kinds of guitars but this thing is incredible.
I completely disagree that they 'should ditch the Tremolo and put in a stop bar tail-piece'. There are already a TON of SGs with stop-bar tail-pieces. It's just not your thing. If that was black and they dropped the price on them, I'd snap one up. They're just over-priced. Typical Gibson.
Guitar works here in Calgary, were selling this for 2100 or so.. i kept going back and fourth on it, i ended up getting the 61 stop tail instead. I just wanted the standard finish.
As a guitarist the gibson i chose to buy was the modern collection sg standard. It plays great and there are no factory issues that i could tell. The only thing is it squeals a ton with high gain and high volume
Gibson needs to discontinue the Vibrola altogether. Imagine demanding $2,000 for a trem system that causes the guitar to need to be retuned in the middle of every song. I should know, I was dumb enough to get one of these '61 Reissues. Never making that mistake again. Traded it away for a Harley Benton SG and used the difference in money to make it a beast! You live, you learn. At least I got myself a 1994 PRS Custom 24. That guitar quickly became the first one I reach for. Gibson has a lot of great options. The '61 Reissue Vibrola is not one of them lmao
I have the 1,999 61 sg with the regular stop tail gloss much better then these for the price, it’s actually my favorite guitar. They should be coming up with new hardware, and diffrent designs to pretty up the guitars
This guitar made more sense when Gibson had the other 61 reissues. The side trem, the maestro, the no trem and the faded. I think its spec'd out better than the standard.
The new Les Paul Modern Lite and Modern Studio are both satin finishes, so I think you might get your wish with a barebones faded SG sometime next year. But honestly what you described is the SG Tribute.
Thanks for the review! have a love /hate relationship with SGs because of the tuning issues. I want to love them because they look and sound so cool. The best SG I ever played was an inexpensive SG Tribute with satin finish. If memory serves it was one of the few that Ive ever played that had decent tuning stability too. 10 years ago I bought a new 2013 SG standard, wouldn't stay in tune no matter what I tried so I sold it. Tried again last year with a brand new SG Special, had Sweetwater set it up, Plex'd, etc. and after dealing with neck dive, forward lean, I've given up trying to gig it. It fights you the whole gig and that fight constantly pulls the strings out of tune on an already extremely sensitive guitar. I put small weights in the electronics cavity in an attempt to relieve the neck dive, I tried a wider strap, I tried the keychain lock from belt loop on my jeans to the guitar strap and in the end I wound with a now heavy guitar that was uncomfortable to play, still wouldn't stay in tune, and just way too much trouble. The problem is that strap peg needs to be on the top horn but thats a risky mod. All that said it is a good sounding and playing guitar when sitting down, recording, P-90s are good, etc. Otherwise, Angus Young not withstanding, I will not be buying another SG anytime soon. YMMV!
I've stopped buying Gibson this month. Had 9 of them (all SG's of various types). They just are not worth it. Period. I can get just as good of a sound right now out of a 300-dollar Chinese guitar with a set of 300-dollar pickups in it. I have a couple of rare SG's for sale at the local shop, go pick em up.
I have 2 Standard 61's in custom colors, and you're totally right. Theres SO MANY variations and colors on the used market that it's really tough to justify one of those.
Frank Marino used 8-9-12-15-26-38 gauge strings with an unwound D with the Gibson Vibrola and ive never seen him have tuning issues. He probably employs a luthiers knot at the tuning posts and greases his string slots. Ive seen him 3 times. Twice with Nugent and he had no tuning issues. Listen to his LIVE album from 1978 and the heavy tremolo dive bombs and judge for yourself.
The pricing on gibsons just dont make a lot of sense, i can get a better guitar for less money by going to solar guitars, featuring evertune bridges and stainless steel frets, why would anyone choose gibson after the way they treated their customers and have massively increased their prices, since the fiasco of the 2015 models, anyone remember the 2015 models where they had the stupid little hologram in the back with the zero fret nut, and they were charging a higher then premium price for these, and they only gone up, the company has lost the thing that made it good to begin with. Vintage should not be expensive modernity should, we have gone backwards because some famous dude said his beat up old gibson plays and sounds better then the (insert X modern year here) its probably cheaper to manufacture that trem system then the epiphone humbuckers seeing as how its only a flimsy piece of metal being bent, woooow gibson giving Bigsby a run for their money LOL give me a break, this is embarrasing from a company that used to take pride in what they built, we need another norlin Era just so the little dwindling fanbase that there is thanks to videos like these can see what gibson is truly capable of
The only thing wrong with this Guitar is The Price. Should not have sold for a Penny more than the Standard $1700. They actually Play & Sound Great, one of the best sounding pickups they use today. Waaaayyyy better than 57's, BB 1, 2, And 3 as well as the BB Pro 1 & 2. 60's Unpotted BB will stay on unlike All My other SG's that Have Dirty Fingers.
If you listen to what Trogly says, he says this guitar is for small niche players and should be discontinued. But then he goes on to describe it as "super comfortable" (it definitely is), a" real player" (again true) and sounds amazing (true yet again). Isn't the goal of a guitar player to make amazing sounding music or is it to have a guitar that looks as pretty as a piece of furniture? I do own a few of those very beautiful guitars as well but they also sound amazing. To me the sounds trumps all else. Then the feel. Looks comes last. I actually chose this guitar over the '61 SG standard with the Maestro. It felt better in my hands. No sticky neck. No fingerprints all over it. Don't get me wrong, the standard was beautiful. I tried a brand new one and a used one. The used one was for the same price as what I got the faded for. Neither felt anywhere near as good as the faded one I grabbed. To me they didn't sound as good either. Is there a thing to the faded finish producing a better sounding guitar? I don't' know for a fact if that has anything to do with it. I just know the one I chose had "it" for me. The workmanship on the new standard sg and the used one did look to be a bit better than the other fadeds that I tried but not the faded sg that I chose. I get it. Almost everyone wants a beautiful guitar. Every time I have ever bought a guitar, I was attracted to the beautiful looking ones. However, it can't be all show and no go. If a guitar feels amazing and sounds awesome, well, to me that would trump a beautiful guitar. Then there are the people pay extra for reliced guitars these days. I personally wouldn't but many do. I feel this guitar is still very relevant. When you look at it, yes it should probably cost less than it does because to me the math doesn't exactly work ( faded finish and no metal covers on the pickups should be a bigger savings then it is). That is probably why people balk and it isn't a great seller. What should be considered though is it a better player than the standard. To me, I find it is, at least out of the guitars that I sampled. If the one I chose hadn't have been there and I had to choose between the other fadeds and the standards that were there I possibly may have chosen differently and gone with a standard. I just kept being drawn back to the one I chose though. I do much prefer the look over covered humbuckers though, so I bought covers. What exact dollar value you can assign to that fact that a guitar is a better player but doesn't have the more labor-intensive fancy finish I do not know. I mean of course you can say it cost's this much more (an exact figure) to put that finish on it. What I mean is how much more are you willing to pay to get a better feeling and sounding guitar? In this case you are paying less but not as less as you probably should value wise for the lack of the fancy finish. I would make the same decision every time. It's a great guitar. I didn't choose it because it was cheaper. I wanted to buy the one that felt and sounded the best. If it was the standard I would have bought it. Who knows maybe one day people will seek these gems out when they are no longer made.
horrible feel and finish, plus dodgy vibro. My choice was the Standard '61, which looks, feels and sounds great (well, to me!). If I need a trem, I'll just fit a Duesenberg Les Trem, as on my 335.
I think the worst thing about that guitar is the missing pickup covers which, I think, looks ugly af. Here in Canada the cheapest Gibson’s start at $1000, so, yeah, that SG is too expensive, but not really compared to other Gibson’s, because they are all over priced. I looked into SG Jrs last year, thinking maybe I could get a genuine Gibson for a decent price if I looked at an entry level model… but found out they cost $1800 here. I can get an outstanding Gretsch for that, rather than an entry-level Gibson.
I like the idea, but reimagined with an unbound ebony fretboard, no vibrola and in the 1499-1799 price range to give it an edge over other SGs.
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I'd offer 1200 for it, let me know if you really want to get rid of it
For me, the neck binding has to stay.
Maybe it would've sold better with mini humbuckers or P90s. I wouldn't say give it a gig bag but maybe a hard side case. But as is with that hard case is the only reason I'd consider it. Did the make the Fool SG yet ? Just saying.
What was the fretboard conditioner you used on this???
Isn't that just the SG Tribute, minus the ebony board?
I love my '18 SG Standard. Bought it cheap before the price gouging began. For those paying $2199 for one of these, you have my sympathy.
I got my 2018 Autumn Burst SG Standard for $1300 because it was B Stock. I love it and won’t sell it. Didn’t know they went up in value
2018 was the last year before Gibson really went crazy with the pricing. The used market isn’t that bad right now.
1. No guitar looks cooler than an SG with a Maestro Vibrola. Period. The lyre tailpiece just KILLS.
2. $2200 for a guitar with "exceptionally bad QC." What could possibly be more Gibson USA than that? Absolutely nothing.
Serious question, why did you accept/keep a guitar with that many finish QC issues from the factory?
I doubt he'll answer
It should have gone to the demo shop. That's where I got my SG standard. A few inclusions and a ding or two, and I paid $1399. No tail piece and it came in one of the good Gibson gig bags with the protective walls, tho. After you add the tail piece and call it a 61 reissue with hsc, up the price goes
I'm sure he got a deal on it.. my goodness he's got a ton of money tied up in inventory.@@JokersWild70
He is a Gibson shill
Everyone knows those are great big duds 1st off ugly faded finish 2nd off those stupid bridges do NOT stay in tune and the price is a joke yep they need to dump those things people are not stupid 🤮👎
Agreed, that model is waaaayyyy overpriced for what it is. I think you're right that $1700 would be more in the ballpark, but they're still overpriced compared to the used offerings.
Love to get a lefty one. But what I really want is a green 61 lefty.
I have a 1993 lefty candy apple blue SG standard, it's the only lefty I've seen, there have been a few righties on Reverb over the years.... yep I know the colour name makes no sense 🙂
Absolutely i'm a lefty and my favorite color is green too
Just bring back the gibson sg faded they started in 2001. The first ones had very thin finish and 490 pickups. Every year they also released some with ebony fret boards and crescent moon inlays. Great guitars and were priced between $699-$899 depending on what year it was.
First year 2002 (+early 2003) had the ebony board and crescent moon inlays on faded V and SGs. Very cool guitars!
I have a faded '70's tribute with mini humbuckers. It's a fun guitar. I think I paid $800 for it new 6 or 7 years ago.
Qc is junk on this SG, basically got a factory second and paid full price. That said, I'd do 1200 for it. Let me know if you really want to get rid of it
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il do 1250$
Id do 850
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I had the same experience with my Les Paul 50s Faded. It’s a great guitar, but should have been a factory 2nd due to the poor binding work (ugly scrapes, a ridge along the entire guitar). I got mine early in the run. I think they eventually figured it out.
always Gibson junk.
To me it needs white and black zebra bobbins to wake it up and give it a color pop. That's always been my favorite look on a Gibson uncovered pickup guitar. Definitely leave the bound fingerboard though IMO. Also Trogly I still have the 2014 model Derek Trucks SG I bought from your Reverb store back in March 2017. It will always be one of my all time favorite guitars I will never sell.
I’m shocked by all the QC issues. AIO guitars don’t have these issues and a quarter of the price. They come properly set up from the factory too. I love SGs, I’m saddened by this example.
"This guitar JUST gives Derek Truck vibes."..........JUST??
You've obviously never seen him play live!😅
He's the sickest slide player in the world! Blew away B.B.KING and John Mayer, with his playing! There's a bunch of videos of him and his band on RUclips. Check him out Trog!
THAT triggered you? Really?
uhhh, Derek Truck? I think you mean FRANK ZAPPA 100% is the same guitar. Gibson has an actual Zappa SG for $5K all day lmaoooo This faded SG is a sleeper . I'm gonna get one asap
Yikes, those marks on the binding, how much was this guitar again? (Imagine the day they reach Chibson QC though! 😉 )
People really do need to start sending these back to Gibson. A guitar over 2k shouldn't have fit and finish problems.
The only way they're going to learn is if it starts costing them money.
They souldn't discontinue them. They should just lower the price. It's a good guitar.
easier to discontinue and come out with a new model than "price adjust" otherwise you get angry customers that bought before the price cut
Hey, what are your thoughts on Gibson finally releasing a White 80's explorer and V, I think I might just pull the trigger when it comes back in stock. *its on the Gibson website under new arrivals*
In 2019 everyone was saying how great the qc was going to be on new Gibson's....WRONG.
I purchased a new LP Standard in 2019 based on all of the online hype that "Gibson is back". What a freaking lie that was. My brand new NOT B STOCK Les Paul had been factory polished so heavy handed that the finish had been buffed off of the back edge of the body down to bare wood and the nut was seated so poorly that it leaned back at an angle (meaning the scale length was technically longer than it should have been). NEVER again with these clowns.
I can't believe Gibson's binding scraping is still so bad - but the way they look at it, the line is sharp so it's ok. No it's not ok - it's terrible.
I just don't understand how Gibson's QC can be so consistently bad.
I mean, if you wet to buy a new car, you wouldn't buy one with dings, scratches and rust holes would you?
For the price of a Gibson, it should be immaculate, every time.
Worst looking binding I ever saw Gibson put out. In fact, the whole thing is a trainwreck. Almost looks like it's been reliced.
Ok, brokie with 3 gibbies here:
>$2100 SG that isn't Custom Shop
>muh Vibrola ($200 option at BEST)
>FADED (so SHOULD BE A DISCOUNT)
It's an SG faded with a stupid tailpiece and traps, FOH
Sad, Gibson was low key the best USA brand for throwing us poor dogs a bone.
I took home my 02 Melody Maker for $379 N E W out the door, still love it. A pos Dillon was more dough.
97 SG-1, $400 used, these were like 500 bucks new.
My 01 "mini trap" AAA top Studio was less than 800 bucks. In LA, just 5 years ago, needed nothing. Maybe $1200 new for a flametop LP that makes PRS dudes seethe.
Sorry Gibson - can't make excuses for this.
BTW a Vibrola iirc is an essential part of exactly 0 famous players' styles. It looks cool & helps neck dive, that's it.
I love SGs.
Trogly's 1500 SG Faded is literally what was sold for like 800 a few years ago as an SG Special save for the inlays lol
if the factory buffed thru the finish it should have been returned for exchange
Yea, Gibson does it again. Everything they can to stay in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. I read two weeks ago they have finally crawled their way out, reorganization as they call it! Now, maybe they can get their act together and start pricing guitars at that are NOT for the upper 10% of the income producing individuals. The Murphy Lab guitars and their prices are insane and let's add, "Greeny" to that list. I have a Greeny, but I bought the new Epiphone version at $1499.00. Mine's solid, some are coming in from those talented Chinese luthiers with absolute poor craftsmanship-Shame On You Gibson/Epiphone.
Are they communist or free market, hard to tell when EVERYTHING you buy has MIC on it. Of the 78 guitars I own 5 are new. 1, DID I SAY ONE Gibson, '21 Standard 60's in Tri Burst $2150.00 at Guitar Center, 2 Martin 2019 LTD #33 and #36 of 50, Martin OM-15 Streetmaster and a Takamine Blue Rose from 2021. That is the one and only time I will pay full pop for a Gibson. Way too many guitars as good as, or certainly better, for realistic prices. I don't need Gibson on my guitar to say, "I made it to the top". My Schecter's, and others, can compete with any guitar on the market.
That's ok.. I'll play my $175 chrome yellow with ohh too cool black racing stripes Westcreek :)
The sg doesn’t look as good with the satin finish. I wonder how it would look polished up? I bought one of the 335 natural faded and it’s a great guitar, did have a couple finish flaws and similar binding issues on the neck, but would be cool to see one on the channel. The best thing to do with the trem is mod it into the Derek trucks style with just the cover part
I have a 90 "Ferrari" red SG Special. It's the best playing guitar I have ever played
for the past 30 yrs. I was able to get it at $900.00 at that time...
$2100.00 is just ridiculous during these times...
I'm looking for a new electric but the craftsmanship seems "Lacking" these days...
Your idea of a more affordable stripped down SG is insane given the fact of how nice high end Epiphones are to compete with
I don't get the whole faded/satin finish-thing, nor do I like it. An interesting point that is being made here without actually stating it, is that companies very often cannibalize their own product line with some of their offerings. I don't even want to get into the confusion this creates for the average consumer. Bring back the olden days when an SG was an SG, a Les Paul was a Les Paul and a Strat was a Strat. The only guitars that were close to adhering to that philosophy were those from the company's respective custom shops, but in recent years even those are "eating" each other.
You should go back to the guy whose name is on the checklist.. crappy binding,damage,buffing burns,paint blotches,bad staining....he obviously didn't notice any of this.
Yeah those checklist don't mean a thing.
@@jordanpratt3821 Just like the “Sweetwater 155 point inspection”. They don’t even open the damn box 😂
@TylerJohnstonGuitar HA I almost brought that up.
Gibson should consider an SG equivalent to the Les Paul Modern Lite in the $1400-$1500 range. As far as the trem system, I am all about bare-bones rockers, so this one and the $2500 version had very little appeal to me. It's definitely a niche market. But I love the SG, and anything they can do to brighten its appeal is appreciated Like the custom colors.
Gibson doesn’t need to do anything in the $1500 range now that they’ve tricked idiots into paying that much for their china epiphones. All they have to do is put Joe Bonamassa or Kirk Hammets name on them and throw some bs about gibson custom shop on the epiphone case and fanboys will gladly pay them 1500.
Anybody who would buy a brand new poverty-spec base model gibson for 1500 is a moron anyway when you can get used Gibson Standard’s for that.
I would love a 5lb sg with maple neck.
@@TrashM0nk95 a 5lb SG? Good luck with that lol. Idk how that would happen. You’d have to have some super light wood, super light hardware. And i think you’d still be 6.5 lbs. unless you went with a super thin/small body. I think it might be possible but you’d have to shrink it, make it really thin, and you’d have to use super light like cheap tin hardware, and have 1 p90 or something, and maybe you could have it be 5lbs, but Idk. My SG is 7lbs 1oz and it’s by far my lightest guitar.
If you want a 5lb SG I recommend you get a Korina Flying V. I had a used 2023 epiphone IBGCS korina flying V - that was just over 5lbs, and tbh it was sort of rowdier than an SG. It’s like brighter like it wants to scream and do the Albert king thing, almost like a strat and a LP had a baby. The only problem with those is that they are so thin that the neck breaks inside their hard cases. Mine came pre-cracked at the neck joint. I couldn’t tell if it was just the finish cracked or the wood.
But if you figure out how to get a 5lb normal sized and still quality SG let me know cuz I love light guitars.
@@WithCarePlz maple necks typically are lighter than mahogany by a pound or two. But yeah would probably have to be a single P90, volume knob only, and maybe a slightlyyy thinner body OR a small extension of routing the top under a batwing guard.
@@TrashM0nk95 i gotta think a maple neck the same size as mohogany neck can’t be *that* much lighter.
A pretty good $400 guitar. Gibson's pricing & QC is an absolute joke - at least 4 times higher than they're worth considering how poorly finished they are.
Hey man. Don't know if you're aware, but Mark Knopfler is auctioning his guitars. If you ever have the opportunity to make a video like you did for the David Gilmour auction, it would be great. Cheers.
I had to wait for the auction pieces to actually get posted. The episode is filmed, we will see it but it isn't the same style as the Gilmour auction
Drop the vibrato, put in something Gibson never does: strings through the body.
The satin finish is a great idea except for its price, it makes no sense. Whatever Gibson has left on them including the dealers should close them out at $1499 a pop and if they sell them fast? could you bring them back
at the same cost? Will Gibson do that? probably not lol.
I got my brand new Gibson '61 SG in Translucent Green because it is a different color and man does it look cool. It plays very well and does everything I want it to do with very little effort when set up properly.
Yeah you bought the one I'd of gotten cool color.
@@phillipvisnaw2355 Is yours more like an emerald green? mine is with hints of teal when the light hits it a certain way. The color is super cool though and very different from my other guitars. Besides the color, it plays and sounds amazing. Congrats on yours.
@@michaelheller8841 I don't own one, but if I were to get it I'd buy the one you got... I'm thinking about selling a couple to justify another purchase..
All of the faded series are not good QC. This also includes the Greeny as well. The binding pokes out along the neck and body. It can be done better. The Epiphone Greeny suffers none of this. Yep, it's definitely time to banish all of these. Just way over-priced crap!
Daym, that's some awful QC.
L trogly I have one question with all those cosmetic problems why would you accept it why wouldn't you send it back I don't understand why people will get pay that kind of money for a guitar and then have those type of problems and send it back that's why Gibson keeps sending guitars like this out because they know people are just going to keep them anyway I don't know you know I own a few gifts I own this lol you know I can't see and if someone told me that such horrible cosmetic problems when I got the guitar I always have someone go over my guitars and you know little things real little things I live with but otherwise it's just a matter of principle anyway I would have sent it back sincerely Bob the blind I have a 2005 I have a 2005 SG special with a wine red gloss finish I know they made him an Ebony and I know they made him an orange but I think the reds right they must have been like a store order or a special order or something and that that could talk didn't have any blemishes at all on it as far as finishes go as far as touch goes you knowtext to wilkos I don't see anymore it's like a piece of glass that that SG special that the wine red finish on it is literally like a piece of glass it's just as smooth as can be and it's really great guitar again sincerely above the
If only it was a bit cheaper and had the batwing pickguard. That could scratch the Roxy Zappa itch ... although looking at the Roxy SG it did have small pickguard. Must be the Captain Kirk influence :))
Almost no limit to how you want your SG dressed out & priced if you’re patient. I’m Hendrix model myself.
I bought one of these back in April this year from GAK in the UK for £1499 in a sale. Haven’t found any QC issues and it plays fantastically, it’s my first SG and would highly recommend based on the one I have.
I like them but even if i could play i can't justify 2k on any guitar when there's cheaper alternatives just as cool
I could buy an s2 prs for that money. And a stain is wayyyy cheaper. This should be 1500ish as is.
Gibson's QC at their price point in the market is really inexcusable ..... you rarely see this with PRS, or even ESP Guitars
I don’t really like the ‘61 SG in general, and the faded costs way too much for what it is. I can’t understand the ‘61 SG in general. Instead of getting a ‘61 (I played 5) I ended up picking up a used Ebony 2017 SG Standard T w/ohsc for 1000. It weighs under 7lbs, it came with locking grovers from the factory, and mine has a piece of rosewood that’s so dark that it looks like ebony. Once I lowered the pickups down to about the plastic ring (a bit higher than that on high side) it sounds fantastic too. It feels super silky and premium, light as a feather, and it sounds phenomenal. I had planned on swapping out the pcb board- but once I adjusted the pickups it sounds phenomenal so why bother swapping the pcb. But for $1000. I struggle to understand why anyone would pay for a brand new ‘61 sg faded. Or a ‘61 sg standard for that matter. Oh well, to each their own. But then again we live in a world where after sales tax yahoos are paying almost 2k for chinese epiphones, so I digress
My 2014 '61 SG Original II in Antique Cherry with the same Lyre vibrola, a gloss finish and in mint condition cost me $1700 barely a year ago, and blows that away in the looks department, plus it has '57 Classics in it
I'm ready to sale mine, thought I would like this SG with vibrola, but without investing in locking tuners, these don't stay in tune, and the bridge on these, has to be almost down all the way,just to get the action right, and there is no way to go any lower, if the neck warps in the future, the guitar weighs too much also,the vibrola is uncomfortable and the pickups sound like the tone is rolled off, before you turn the tone down.
Gibson all you have to do is Add a Special wound Pickup for the Middle and the Price will be Fair
I'd rather have an SG Tribute, personally, but I wish the Tribute series got the 60's neck.
It sounds like you really should have warranted it. That one has far too many flaws to be acceptable from a new Gibson.
should have made it in different colour such as pelham blue + green or white.
The mods you just described are almost exactly what the SG Faded was back in, I believe 2014. Exception being it was a large pick guard model and had the 490 pickup set (also had a rounder slightly thicker neck). Great guitar. I bought mine used in near mint condition for $400. Think they go used now for about $700 on the used market.
Way overpriced, same Gibson crap...
All Gibson's are massively over priced.
I love SGs but, I don’t like the vibrola.
Terrible assembly.
They don’t work well but actually they help SG’s balance better. You can just take the arm off and not use it.
@@rocknrollresignation93I put a Bigsby with a Vibramate on my 90s Special to stop the neck dive. I’m swapping that for a Stetsbar when I have the time.
Kind of struggling to figure out Gibson's intended market lately. Between the 600 different Adam Jones and Hammett models and slew of plain models in the demo shop - just feels like they've resigned themselves to ONLY being a dad rock brand and keep playing into it.
I can see where it would be super easy to burn that finish. I have a lot of experience buffing poly finishes and they are very forgiving. These guitars, not so much. My personal guitar is a Les Paul that I accidentally burned thru the thin nitro finish on in a split second. I'm pretty sure you didn't get that from Sweetwater. They would have refused it. The tooling issue on the side of the neck and that finish burn should never have made it past QC that way.
I love that you always play a reminiscence of The Doors on SGs.
I got a 99 sg special. Cost: roughly a grand... why would I buy this?
They just discontinued the SG Junior too. But you know, we have more colors now 😑
I have an original 1965 SG with the trem.
I have a fair number of guitars and my SG is the best playing guitar I have ever used - bar none. It has a very low action and 9s on it and you can still play slide on it without fretting out. This guitar is so easy to play it's ridiculously fast - way faster than I am capable of being. The trem works great and stays in tune. I like all kinds of guitars but this thing is incredible.
I completely disagree that they 'should ditch the Tremolo and put in a stop bar tail-piece'. There are already a TON of SGs with stop-bar tail-pieces. It's just not your thing. If that was black and they dropped the price on them, I'd snap one up. They're just over-priced. Typical Gibson.
Steal it and paint it black. 🦙👹💥
Looks a bit like a Zapper SG though
Looks like Quality Control is back to mid 2010's levels!
Ye faded should go like 1500 max.
I don't know about anybody else but if I'm paying Gibson prices. I want high gloss not some Cheap paper thin satin finish
Absolutely
YES , BRING BACK THE FADED WITH A STOP BAR!!! THOSE ARE AWESOME !!
Guitar works here in Calgary, were selling this for 2100 or so.. i kept going back and fourth on it, i ended up getting the 61 stop tail instead. I just wanted the standard finish.
So there is still cases made in Canada and not Costa Rica?
They should bring back the SG tribute but with trap inlays and also offer it in ebony
The SG is my absolute favourite Gibson guitar. Love your content!
Literally only because of the no pickup covers for me
As a guitarist the gibson i chose to buy was the modern collection sg standard. It plays great and there are no factory issues that i could tell. The only thing is it squeals a ton with high gain and high volume
900 dollar les paul junior faded is such a no brainer
I had a stop bar faded from 2014 it was a player. Dot inlays no binding. But it could make all the right noises.
Love the satin.Does it come with P90's, the most under-rated Gibson offers?
My 2021 LP 60s has almost an extra nib at the 1st fret. Maybe a small spot of poor quality but also one of its many defining characteristics😊
2200$????!!! Bruh…. Nope.
That's a really nice looking guitar. I'm in love with my SG Special, so I have a little place in my heart for an SG. :)
Gibson needs to discontinue the Vibrola altogether. Imagine demanding $2,000 for a trem system that causes the guitar to need to be retuned in the middle of every song. I should know, I was dumb enough to get one of these '61 Reissues. Never making that mistake again. Traded it away for a Harley Benton SG and used the difference in money to make it a beast! You live, you learn. At least I got myself a 1994 PRS Custom 24. That guitar quickly became the first one I reach for. Gibson has a lot of great options. The '61 Reissue Vibrola is not one of them lmao
I have the 1,999 61 sg with the regular stop tail gloss much better then these for the price, it’s actually my favorite guitar. They should be coming up with new hardware, and diffrent designs to pretty up the guitars
This guitar made more sense when Gibson had the other 61 reissues. The side trem, the maestro, the no trem and the faded. I think its spec'd out better than the standard.
The new Les Paul Modern Lite and Modern Studio are both satin finishes, so I think you might get your wish with a barebones faded SG sometime next year. But honestly what you described is the SG Tribute.
Thanks for the review! have a love /hate relationship with SGs because of the tuning issues. I want to love them because they look and sound so cool. The best SG I ever played was an inexpensive SG Tribute with satin finish. If memory serves it was one of the few that Ive ever played that had decent tuning stability too. 10 years ago I bought a new 2013 SG standard, wouldn't stay in tune no matter what I tried so I sold it. Tried again last year with a brand new SG Special, had Sweetwater set it up, Plex'd, etc. and after dealing with neck dive, forward lean, I've given up trying to gig it. It fights you the whole gig and that fight constantly pulls the strings out of tune on an already extremely sensitive guitar. I put small weights in the electronics cavity in an attempt to relieve the neck dive, I tried a wider strap, I tried the keychain lock from belt loop on my jeans to the guitar strap and in the end I wound with a now heavy guitar that was uncomfortable to play, still wouldn't stay in tune, and just way too much trouble. The problem is that strap peg needs to be on the top horn but thats a risky mod. All that said it is a good sounding and playing guitar when sitting down, recording, P-90s are good, etc. Otherwise, Angus Young not withstanding, I will not be buying another SG anytime soon. YMMV!
3000$ glossy double neck SG could solve the problem I believe, yes
Nope price is just stupid..
I've stopped buying Gibson this month. Had 9 of them (all SG's of various types). They just are not worth it. Period. I can get just as good of a sound right now out of a 300-dollar Chinese guitar with a set of 300-dollar pickups in it. I have a couple of rare SG's for sale at the local shop, go pick em up.
I have 2 Standard 61's in custom colors, and you're totally right. Theres SO MANY variations and colors on the used market that it's really tough to justify one of those.
I love the 60 early 70's SGs mostly the shape I dont like vibrola but it looks cool for vintage never played.
Roller saddles should be standard on this kind of whammy system.
Frank Marino used 8-9-12-15-26-38 gauge strings with an unwound D with the Gibson Vibrola and ive never seen him have tuning issues. He probably employs a luthiers knot at the tuning posts and greases his string slots. Ive seen him 3 times. Twice with Nugent and he had no tuning issues. Listen to his LIVE album from 1978 and the heavy tremolo dive bombs and judge for yourself.
The pricing on gibsons just dont make a lot of sense, i can get a better guitar for less money by going to solar guitars, featuring evertune bridges and stainless steel frets, why would anyone choose gibson after the way they treated their customers and have massively increased their prices, since the fiasco of the 2015 models, anyone remember the 2015 models where they had the stupid little hologram in the back with the zero fret nut, and they were charging a higher then premium price for these, and they only gone up, the company has lost the thing that made it good to begin with.
Vintage should not be expensive modernity should, we have gone backwards because some famous dude said his beat up old gibson plays and sounds better then the (insert X modern year here) its probably cheaper to manufacture that trem system then the epiphone humbuckers seeing as how its only a flimsy piece of metal being bent, woooow gibson giving Bigsby a run for their money LOL give me a break, this is embarrasing from a company that used to take pride in what they built, we need another norlin Era just so the little dwindling fanbase that there is thanks to videos like these can see what gibson is truly capable of
The only thing wrong with this Guitar is The Price. Should not have sold for a Penny more than the Standard $1700. They actually Play & Sound Great, one of the best sounding pickups they use today. Waaaayyyy better than 57's, BB 1, 2, And 3 as well as the BB Pro 1 & 2. 60's Unpotted BB will stay on unlike All My other SG's that Have Dirty Fingers.
The orange peel on the headstock is hideous.
A trapeze style tailpiece is a great replacement for a vibrola and it doesn't require drilling into the top. Very cool SG Trogly
If you listen to what Trogly says, he says this guitar is for small niche players and should be discontinued. But then he goes on to describe it as "super comfortable" (it definitely is), a" real player" (again true) and sounds amazing (true yet again). Isn't the goal of a guitar player to make amazing sounding music or is it to have a guitar that looks as pretty as a piece of furniture? I do own a few of those very beautiful guitars as well but they also sound amazing. To me the sounds trumps all else. Then the feel. Looks comes last. I actually chose this guitar over the '61 SG standard with the Maestro. It felt better in my hands. No sticky neck. No fingerprints all over it. Don't get me wrong, the standard was beautiful. I tried a brand new one and a used one. The used one was for the same price as what I got the faded for. Neither felt anywhere near as good as the faded one I grabbed. To me they didn't sound as good either. Is there a thing to the faded finish producing a better sounding guitar? I don't' know for a fact if that has anything to do with it. I just know the one I chose had "it" for me. The workmanship on the new standard sg and the used one did look to be a bit better than the other fadeds that I tried but not the faded sg that I chose. I get it. Almost everyone wants a beautiful guitar. Every time I have ever bought a guitar, I was attracted to the beautiful looking ones. However, it can't be all show and no go. If a guitar feels amazing and sounds awesome, well, to me that would trump a beautiful guitar. Then there are the people pay extra for reliced guitars these days. I personally wouldn't but many do. I feel this guitar is still very relevant. When you look at it, yes it should probably cost less than it does because to me the math doesn't exactly work ( faded finish and no metal covers on the pickups should be a bigger savings then it is). That is probably why people balk and it isn't a great seller. What should be considered though is it a better player than the standard. To me, I find it is, at least out of the guitars that I sampled. If the one I chose hadn't have been there and I had to choose between the other fadeds and the standards that were there I possibly may have chosen differently and gone with a standard. I just kept being drawn back to the one I chose though. I do much prefer the look over covered humbuckers though, so I bought covers. What exact dollar value you can assign to that fact that a guitar is a better player but doesn't have the more labor-intensive fancy finish I do not know. I mean of course you can say it cost's this much more (an exact figure) to put that finish on it. What I mean is how much more are you willing to pay to get a better feeling and sounding guitar? In this case you are paying less but not as less as you probably should value wise for the lack of the fancy finish. I would make the same decision every time. It's a great guitar. I didn't choose it because it was cheaper. I wanted to buy the one that felt and sounded the best. If it was the standard I would have bought it. Who knows maybe one day people will seek these gems out when they are no longer made.
horrible feel and finish, plus dodgy vibro. My choice was the Standard '61, which looks, feels and sounds great (well, to me!). If I need a trem, I'll just fit a Duesenberg Les Trem, as on my 335.
I think the worst thing about that guitar is the missing pickup covers which, I think, looks ugly af. Here in Canada the cheapest Gibson’s start at $1000, so, yeah, that SG is too expensive, but not really compared to other Gibson’s, because they are all over priced. I looked into SG Jrs last year, thinking maybe I could get a genuine Gibson for a decent price if I looked at an entry level model… but found out they cost $1800 here. I can get an outstanding Gretsch for that, rather than an entry-level Gibson.