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I Tried the NEW Gibson USA "Theodore" Standard (It's VERY Different)
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2024
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📚Description: Today we check out the new 2024 Gibson Theodore Standard from Gibson USA and compare it to the 2022 Gibson Custom Shop Archive Collection version
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I liked it more than I thought I would, but really hoping for more unique color options in the future
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Maybe Gibson USA will try a TV Yellow Theodore Jr. with a wraptail and a single P90, or, a single Staple AlNiCo 5 in the bridge position!
I’m sure the Mod Shop will have some eventually.
I could see a Theo version of this being like a limited low budget player with the SG elite pickguard. Maybein TV yellow. I'm trying to plan a Crestwood im my future if you're still interested in reviewing one.
@@charlesbolton8471 👍
Inverness green, Beale st. Blue, and a tulip burst.
Gotta be honest - I don’t hate it
That's a high bar
Right there with ya
Yeah but don’t like it either
The more I see it, the less I hate it. I think I’ll end up liking it- I can kind of tell.
Its definitely better than the futuristic flying v from a few years back
Without a pickguard on it the guitar looks like a giant Goldfish cracker!! 🤣
Add an eye 👁️ and there it is !
@@terryoquinn8199 Exactly 😂
I'm fine with them not doing the walnut stripe, despite it still being sad they removed it, but they should've kept the Alder body, 4 knobs dot inlay no binding fretboard..
Its a tiesco tulip
Yes being from the Netherlands It looks like a tulip to me.
I thought the same thing, maybe that's why I'm drawn to it. It resembles my old Teisco that I started out with long ago.
That’s a good idea with the festive colours.🎸👍
With this one and a few other recent releases like modern lite and Beato, Gibson seems to be putting much needed focus on lighter weight options.
Now they should try a lighter hit to the wallet ! This is overpriced in my opinion .
I think Ted was hittin' the sauce pretty hard the day he drew that up.
If this was Ted hitting the sauce with this design, what in hell was he on when thought a Flying V and an Explorer were the way ahead? LSD? 😄
@@OzziePete1bath salts
There’s a reason it wasn’t made back then
LOL!😅
The 57 Classic / Classic+ set is my favorite Gibson pickup set, so having those in this without having to pay to replace Burstbuckers or 490R/490T is excellent. That makes this guitar cheaper for me. I'm not buying one, but I wouldn't turn it down if it was a gift.
I do like the changes to the control layout. I prefer master tone and master volume, and wish more LPs had that layout. I know it's technically limited, but meh. Otherwise it'd just be a funny-looking SG.
I don’t understand why Gibson still insists on putting the 490R/490T combo in their guitars.
@@robjgolde3221whats wrong with them?
The 57 classics sound really good.
floral colors would be cool for sure. Modern light had a cool vibe like that other then it aint gloss.
I've got a black first run. Love it. I know the design is a love it/hate it thing, but it's a design that transcends genre; I can just as easily see this in metal/punk/country bands.
All it'll take will be a high-profile player taking one on and it'll become a success for Gibson.
If this had been a mini-humbucker instead of a humbucker I would have definitely pulled the trigger.
I was just thinking, maybe when an Epiphone version comes along! Fingers crossed.
Hear me out fellas....Firebird pickups?
@@squidgebert yes! Perfect!
Facts
The overall look of this guitar reminds me of a Tokai Talbo (although the design drawing must pre-date the Tokai). Usually I've been liking natural wood finishes but the suggestions of the pastel colors are neat and give it more of a retro and fun feel. It could have a bit of a Danelctro vibe to it. It sounded pretty good.
The Explorer style headstock is a bit 'pointy' which still suggests rock/metal to me. Or has that time now passed and are those types of headstocks now accepted more widely?
I will buy one if/when they release a Gibson USA Special with p90's, dots, and a wraparound like the CS. Loved the look of the originals, these standards not so much.
The Les Paul pickguard actually looked pretty good.
No pick guards .
It kind of reminds me of the Teisco "Tulip" model guitar. Either that or a semi-Rickenbacker type design. Of course, there was also Gibson's "Wally" model that came out later that year and.........
I wish they kept the p-90’s and wraparound bridge on these. Could have been a quirky alternative to the LP Special.
The 57 Classic+/57 Classic combo is may be my favorite Gibson pickup set, with a Burstbucker 3/57 Classic being a close 2nd.
I like it. I wish they would have went with the p90 pickups though. But the 57 set is one of my favorites
Me too 👍
If they made a P90 in the neck and humbucker in the bridge, with separate bridge & tailpiece, I could be tempted
What's going on with the neck-to-body joint on the Custom Shop version? At 3:26, it looks like there's - at worst - a filler piece between the body and the neck heel, or at best, a bad stain line.
So it looked way cooler and rock n' roll in your hands than it did on the table/hanging. It's still cool, but the intrigue of the specs of the custom shop intrigue me more. I just wish they did the 2-vol 2-tone on the USA as well.
I'm guessing the rounded edges were extra machining & to keep costs down they compromised.... But I'd like to see a Theodore with completely rounded edges.
We all have our preferences and with an open book design like this is, we have no great preconceptions of how a Theodore is meant to be.
By 1957 Gibson were tooling up for humbuckers. I can imagine McCarty changing the original Theodore design to accommodate them very quickly - or offering Special and a Standard models (Special with P90s, Standard with Humbuckers). Also the change to Mahogany makes sense given Gibson had a ready supply of it as opposed to Alder, which may have been harder to source as Fender was in full production with Alder by then.
I want this Explorer head for my Les Paul lol.
The '80's Les Paul XPL had the Explorer headstock. Super cool, IMO.
Just picked one up… it’s amazing don’t shit on it till you play it
I'm fine with the pick guard.
I like the new shape, honestly. I love the look of these Theos.
It's possible that design didn't go anywhere with Gibson in the '50s because the body shape was very similar to the Rickenbacker Combo 400. Gibson's designs were distinct from their competitors.
Tulip guitar
Had a Montgomery Wards Teisco Tulip!
Rickenbacker had this shape in the 50s.
Somehow they didn't use "tulip" tuner buttons
Looks like something teisco would make.
I want one with P-90 pick ups.
I actually loved that guy's rendering. If it was done exactly like his I'd want one in pink. Don't really think the current ones in the video look nice at all. The pink with the off white plastics and reflector knobs made me think 50s with the body shape, like old Cadillac cars.
They include a copy of the original drawing from the archive, so you can see they didn't even follow the drawing...
P90 in the neck, Minibucker in the bridge.
Like it, neck pup sounds great, bridge a bit too hot for me. Looks a fun and modern guitar even though it's from the 50s. A 3 pup version with a Bigby maybe? ❤
Thanks Trogly. Really like the idea of the pastel colors and the option of "standard" style model. Peace
I like ‘57 classics, but I’d prefer the P-90’s on this model.
I didn’t really like them at first, but they’ve grown on me.
I might be interested in a Theodore bfg.
I would like a Theodore with mini humbuckers, or a Theodore with a 57plus in the bridge and a firebirdbucker in the neck in see through fuchsia.
Love the idea of P90/Humbucker combos in more of the Gibson line.
I didn’t like these when the Custom Shop model came out in 2022, but when I heard those, I changed my mind. The Custom version sounded really good in the demos I saw, with the P-90s and the wraparound bridge. I was initially disappointed when I saw these production versions with the 57 Classics, but darn, they sound good too! I’m slowly getting used to the shape-I still don’t love it, but it’s growing on me. The only design element I really don’t like is the Explorer headstock-I think a Flying V headstock would look better, but Ted McCarty’s original sketch had the Explorer headstock, so they might ss well stick with it. It’ll be interesting to see how many of these they’ll sell. Looks-wise I’d rather have an SG.
I dig it. If it could balance well, this could be a cool shape for a bass. Gibson hasn’t had a hit bass guitar in a long time.
I like it! And I hated the custom shop versions, it’s a lot more versatile, I can experiment with different pickups and I won’t get that P90 hum and I like the addition of the stop bar tailpiece, baseball bat necks suck, also no pickguard looks best. Home run imo
"Do you like flowers pet?".... lmao
Z is for late. Interesting body style. There is a tulip joke somewhere lurking?
Why do you always say z is for late? What does it mean?
@@We-all-watched-the-video he doesn't say that if he is one of the first commenters on a trogly video. I've lurked around here long enough to have the same question as yourself, haha. Just sharing an observation, I have no idea why he uses Z, other than it's the last letter in the alphabet lol. I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with Putin and Russia, though.
That’s way more than I ever paid for two lips 👄 before .
Yeah, "do you like flowers Pet?".... lmao
@We-all-watched-the-video yeah late starts with L right? I don't get it either, dumb lol
i love the tulips idea
I love these. I would prefer to see them make a Special, closer to the original run, but if it takes off well enough they might do it.
Also could they make a dark trans purple just like a black tulip, a reverse headstock could be cool too…
Sean O’Dowd of the Irish band NewDad uses one of these as his main axe!
Loving mine! Thought I’d hate it.
A Theodore Jr would be pretty cool. Wraparound and P90.
The Custom version seems nicer.
what song is the riff from 15:14???
It sounds familiar but I don't know what it is, I'd like to know as well haha
Not a bad example but p90’s would maybe be a better option and a more rounded pick guard at the bottom and with the strap button moved to the base of the heel of the neck may help with neck dive
Is that a crack at the top side of the neck joint? Crack at 3:03
I love the sound of it. I think ebony board, tulip abalone inlays, i want a poker chip near the upper horn to control p90s and a chunky neck. I would also like a full maple body, why not? Or an M3 configured Theo
Pickguard could be les paul shaped but I think a better wing design may work, too. Sweet video
He said CHATOYANT I'm goin' to Moe's
Trog stole that term from HK guitar
Next they can make a Theodore Jr., with 1 pickup. Then a Special with the humbucker and a p-90 or 94. Then they could get really ballsy and do a Custom with 3 pickups. Just like the Les Paul and the SG family. Honestly, I was unimpressed with the outrageously priced Custom shop model. This one, at its price point, is MUCH more attractive and desirable.
I own a Custy Theo and a Standard. I love them both
I actually kinda like it! I wish it was with the p90:s though. Or the hybrid H - P90.
I love my original Custom version. The body shape is a truss rod cover shape.
To me it just looks like they have a standard 2HB stop bar template and change the shape a bit. It’s not very interesting TBH. Maybe there aren’t any new shapes out there and they’ve played with the electronics in the past but Gibson are stuck in the 50s.
I really hope we get a single cut version one day id love to see one as a one off run
I want the pink!
I love these things. And at $2k I’d really consider getting one. Especially if it came in fun colors
I can't see what the extra 1700 dollars gets
They should make a headstock on it just like the body, 3 to a side with a custom style overlay.! LOL! THAT would be awesome!
Bringing it with that festive colours sure match the shape vibe, and will draw more players for it, since it already modernize with modern tailpiece rather than wrap around bridge and humbuckers.
I just don't get it why they simplify that control knobs? I would love to have diffrent tone knobs for each pickups to set the sound on my amps
Evening all!! Not sure how I feel about this. I probably have to see it in person and try one.
I still prefer the Custom Shop version, but not the price. I was disappointed that the USA version was so different. I'd be more OK with the USA version if it had P90 pups and the wrap tailpiece.
I was thinking a pickguard similar in style to the SG elites
have . Not a batwing just the partial swooping pickguard style that really covers littl real estate on the guitar . But theres also something like Epiphones Crestwood , Wilshire or Coronet models pickguard. Not exactly like them though. Speaking of im still considering getting a Crestwood if you're interested in reviewing it. I judt have to get with you and i think its Sweat Water that has them. Plus it might be another month or do before im ready. Maybe if there was acoil splitting options on this Theodore it may pull off Telecaster like tones. I was hoping youd give us a little acoustic run with it so we could if id does have a natural acoustic tone. I also thought that maybe they could paint these in some of the new colors they eent withbon Les Pauls. Or some translucent colors.
I would buy one in that Pink or Surf Greenish color. Definitely needs better looking knobs, I don't like the plain black plastic ones.
I love Les Pauls, SG’s and my absolute favorite Firebirds. This is just……. Wow not for me. I’m sure someone finds it beautiful.
You have a couple of good ideas there, Austin. The brighter floral colors would allow these guitars a unique appearance, while the BFG-style pickup configuration would give the axe a rare sound. Could be that the combination of features would prove compelling to many players!
Love the Theodore!!
The CS is closer to the mark, imo.
that's the one for me. The body shaping is what really makes my decision.
I still wish they would have gotten close to the sketch, and hope the do with a future version.
As for the standard, I agree with your idea that it should have a large-guard that matches the body shape, SG-style.
Personally I think ALL guitars should, just good design.
I've never been a fan of Les Paul pickguards, they are the one thing that hold the design back and make them look antiquated.
Always no guard for LP's for me, and (I know this is controversial) I prefer The Heritage pickguard over the Gibson design, it fits the body better if you MUST have a pickguard.
I like it it reminds me of my 60’s Teisco del Rey tulip
Glad Gibson did this version!
If I were Gibson, I'd gone the extra mile to make the Theodore more unique.
From the drawing the choice of headstock shape and control layout is spot on. However, it looks like mini humbuckers to me, maybe staple pickups.
Regarding the centre stripe, why not make it a neck-thru model? Rickenbacker had been doing it for a couple of years at the time, so why not make it a korina-guitar with a 3-piece limba-mahogany-limba neck? Keeping it with the korina models, it could also have come with gold hardware.
It'd still be a mostly traditional Gibson, but it would at least be unique, rather than a reshaped SG
pink: since day one of the original release i have thought the Theodore would be awesome if it came in a variety of hot colors. since it's a solid slab i'd think it could come in a variety of pickup configurations as well. ultimately i'd think the Theodore could be huge if Gibson would promote it and get them into famous-named stars' hands. they're so cool.
reminds me of my first guitar. Tiesco Del Rey Tulip.
Im GASing for a USA model over the CS which is odd for me. The neck does it. Hell, even the headstock on the USA has MOP vs the CS's silk screen.
CS is pearl but with a tinted clear coat to look yellowed
@@Trog oh ok! I was a bit surprised to think the CS would've just silk screened the logo.
Leo scala did make a theodore with a p90 in neck, a Humbucker in bridge and a new pickguard shape
This comes off as a prototype SG to me
I think it would be cool if Gibson offered it with a strat style bridge and in the tulip colours.
The bat wing design would work for me, but it does look like an early, unfinished version of the SG, especially in cherry. Sounds great, but looks-wise I'm just not sure who it's aimed at.
Absolutely LOVE the way these things sound! Great demo, Trogs!
Also, since these are slightly thicker than an sg, do you think it would be easier to get one with a Floyd Rose? I bet that would be awesome!
I'd like the USA neck on the CS body. Also have a Hum/ P-90 combination. Then it would be perfect to me.
I'd like to have that body with a rap rail bridge a 3x3 headstock one humbucker with coil split and a killswitch with a brown burst finish
It's intriguing . . . also don't hate it! 😅The floral colours idea is a good 'un! The retro look with cream appointments fun, aven in a 'Special' model - skip the neck binding etc. - I do think this could take off with a younger market who reject the classic LP / SG look because to them it's 'dated'.
So . . . let's also see what Epiphone come up with!
I HATED this when you first featured it but its growing on me
Why couldn’t the USA version have retained the dot inlays? Have the trapezoid inlays become the ‘cheap’ basic option?
I'm definitely digging the vibe... looks like a slide machine to me sir...🎸🎹🔥
I like is it's a little brighter than the custom and the chrome covers on the humbukers really stand out I like the one volume one tone
I like it better than the Custom shop model and that's the color I like its a unique guitar for something different 👏👍🤘
I like it its a cool guitar. Of course I like the original one with P-90s and wanut stripe more. Love the middle position sounds on this one. It'd be nice if they offered it in a P-90 model as well. Great review!
The custom pastel series is what you need to get them to make a limited run of for you!
I WISH they’d do this with a Les Paul: thin mahogany body, natural finish, two humbuckers with just two knobs, TOM bridge + tailpiece, and a regular neck. The headstock I’m fine with either this one or the 3x3. I’d buy that in a heartbeat!
That would make a cool bass design also
At times to me the neck pick up sounded kinds muffled or flat especially when full strumming
Like the pick guard on the drawing u showed better that what is on this guitar
I want a junior p90 Theodore. Natural with the stripe
Really hope they try this with a 3-a side headstock.
I think the epiphone wilshire pro pickguard would look good on it