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Jared,,,,thanks for the complete season breakdowns for Yellow Jackets. I wanted to know if you caught the vision when Nat is stabbed by misty , there was a scene split second image from S1 . You remember when the teens had a party night before boarding plan ....Nat was drink with Kevyn Tan and we know that misty was not the party but Nat sees a vision of teen misty . The visual languagre implies that Misty was there at begining and at her end ...I see no logical reason for Nat to have that kind vision so ther are some ESP extrasensory percieced realiry
While there were 10 people outside, only 8 girls were standing there before the roof collapsed. I think it's very plausible that Gen and Akilah died in the cabin fire. We never saw them get out.
Honestly, I think the moment where Shauna says that they were the ones that decided to do every horrible act and there was no supernatural element, while Lottie simply asks, "Is there a difference?" is gonna be the entire premise of the show. It does not matter if there is a supernatural force in the show, but the characters always make the final choice.
I love this idea. The locus of control is like the oroborus, circular, with no finality or any straightforward answers. As humans, we’re always looking for patterns, answers, explanations, but it’s like trying to survey the night sky from a bottom of a well; we see only what we can see, and have to assume the rest.
I think the fact they leave it up to interpretation is probably the best element like you make your own mind up to whether it’s psychosis or something bigger
I love this. Reminds me a lot of the show Evil…. As they leave it up to the viewers discretion to decide what is really occurring. Supernatural or science.
I pretty much think theirs definitely something supernatural going on I’m pretty sure it’s something demonic and they are like witches feeding souls to these demons. That would explain Tai’s umm affliction or lotties energy Shauna is the knife that sacrifices . Natalie is a dark soul with leadership skills these demons are manipulating them into these things
@@mattcollier6717 That's a great theory! The older Travis has been shown in the first and second seasons. However, perhaps the actor wasn't available to shoot that scene.
Shauna wanted to prolong the card shuffling cause she didn’t want the hunt to happen . She was stalling waiting on the the psych people to come take Lottie . Van wanted the hunt ! That’s why she said that the cards were shuffled enough
I thought Van would sacrifice herself because she's sick in present day but she's turned very dark It's like they all still have that sick instinct to kill each other
Van was the first to believe in wilderness Im sure she did it on purpose, she let the hunt go on, she know Tai switched and take vantage. She didn't want to die
She has cancer. I don't think it will work if they just offer themselves. It has to be a hunt. But shes still a bitch for still letting the hunt happen. She got nothing to lose😅
I think Van is going to be healed in S3 after the death of Natalie. Lottie says something like, "It is pleased," then looks at Van, "You'll see." All that aside: Who is watching Sammy while Mom #1 is in a coma and Taissa took off to be w/Van?? This has been making me crazy, he just...stopped existing.
I saw a theory saying that since Javi is the first one who got the Queen of hearts card (since he brought it back), he WAS supposed to die during the hunt. And with Natalie dying, it kinda confirm that whoever get the card really ends up being the sacrifice🤷♀️. So shauna better get ready lol
Sure but others would have drawn the card and died during their time in the wilderness. I guess the 'wilderness' doesn't forget and if you've ever drawn the card before, you're going to die in a hunt. Or something like that.
@@DelanaTaylorand I think they burned the other queens too, so less 3 more. In terms of art, couldn’t the characters represent both of your descriptions?
I have a hard time believing the writers are uncertain whether or not there IS something supernatural based on like, three things: the miraculous jackie bbq, Laura Lee plane combustion, and Lottie stabbing a bear in the head. I just can’t rationalize those things with trauma.
Exactly! I left the comment pointing out one or two of the same things you did. There's way too many things and I'm sure eventually they will officially confirm them
Yes. I’m hoping they actually go into detail showing the rescue, and the few months after. It would be interesting to see how they all adjust to a normal world again.
Right for almost the entire first season we just focused on shaunas affair and her dancing and prancing around with that Adam dude every day I was like omggggg
i think the entity of the wilderness is similar to the sandman’s dream. personification of an abstract concept and they give it power by believing in it. it’s them they are it and it gives them “power” to survive the wilderness by becoming savage as it so the strongest can survive
@@luckyowl6432 i think throughout the series we’re going to get more shots of the survivors as the “antler queen” we already saw nat and i think lotte as her
That's a really good way to put it! I feel there's definitely more going on out there than just PTSD and delusions. We've got more seasons planned so I think it's going to get a lot crazier. Very well put!
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but the “dripping” noise seems like it was Javi striking the rock for fire. Shown when coach was doing so meaning the hiding spot was very close to the cabin if not underneath it.
I think there is shelter under the cabin since the guy that lived there was a survivalist, but as the cave where Javi was living, is farther away, since that is where they were going when he fell through the ice and drowned. Also, Ben had to trek a bit far since he had to make his crutches easier to walk on snow and ice. I think a mile or 2 away.
This show is still great but I was disappointed with this season. It is harder to juggle more characters and storylines and it has become comical how they swept Kevin and Adam’s deaths under the rug. It’s as if they painted themselves into a corner there. I hope the next season gets back to more mystery and horror and less slapstick.
This exactly The writing was not impressive They clearly didn't know what to do with Ben either Also the way characters act in certain situations- Travis didn't flip out enough about Javi's death. Hate what they did with Kevin Pretty much hate how a lot of things were handled thus season
@@may.k_me I had hope that the writers knew what they were doing and that I was wrong, until Travis ate his brother's heart. It was so weird and over-the-top.
You hit the nail on the head when you said the finale was kind of underwhelming! I felt bad after watching it because I was feeling a bit let down as it had way more potential. Especially considering how the cast were kind of hyping it up the same way they were talking about Season 2 Episode 6, which was probably the most devastating episode of any show I’ve seen in a looong long time. Great video as always!!
Travis eating his Little brother's heart, nat dying by mysty perpetual selfish decisions, kevyn dying by mysty's bf selfish decisions.. Oh yeah totally boring. Jfc you guys are unbelievable.
@@kc5997 Chill out man LMFAO! They spent all of 5 minutes of the final episode rushing to get all these characters in one place, just to kill them off and forget about them with no questions asked. You’d think a major character death like Natalie would have been more played out, no? It was an underwhelming finale because it had way more potential and there were too many random things thrown together. Maybe if they had just one extra episode it could have filled it out a bit more.
@Slipknot fan yeah i saw!!! :) they said it will be released closer to season 3 than season 2 so we unfortunately have a while to wait but i’m glad there will be something in between
I really thought that Travis would have done more to protect his brother’s corpse. It didn’t sit right with me how easily he yielded and submitted to the group.
People will comply with a lot of things, including compromising their own morals to survive. He is outnumbered/overpowered. He sees no choice but to be complicit.
There is definitely Supernatural things happening. We've gotten so many things that can't be explained, one major one is when "the wilderness" was swooping through the trees and knocked all the snow on Jackie's body causing her to cook. I think this show is going to get a whole lot crazier over the next few seasons explaining the eyeless man, the cabin guy, the underground cave and Javis's "friend", Crystal's body disappearing and so much more. So much craziness and with more seasons planned it would be the lamest thing ever for none of these supernatural things to come to light.
After this final ep I'm thinking more than ever that there is nothing supernatural going on, and that it's all them finding reasons for what happened to them out there, and what they did. Or maybe that's just what they want us to think and season 3 will reveal that actually there is supernatural stuff going on. But up to this point, there really haven't been that many crazy supernatural things, that haven't been in their heads. The craziest thing is the Jackie BBQ, but that could have just been something that naturally happened with wind and the fire that was there.
@@alexp601 I kind of want for them to show all kinds of supernatural stuff leading to the second winter, but it would be amazing if they never really explain anything and leave to interpretation.
The one undoubtedly supernatural thing that occurred was in season 1. When Laura Lee’s plane explodes….the teddy bear in the passenger seat first caught fire. It’s also been suggested that Lottie’s visions are premonitions
This show seems to be turning the audience into a member of the Yellowjackets, with viewers understanding things logically or accepting the supernatural elements
I feel that Natalie was not supposed to die at the end of the season, but rather that Juliette Lewis wanted out of the project. I remember her mentioning that she needed to know the entire arc of the character she was portraying in order to give her best performance. Also...Travis is not on the plane? He was her whole motivation last season! I hope they do something similar to what they did in Star Wars with Anakin
I’m very slightly wondering if Travis not being on the plane is maybe a smidge of a way to let us know that she might not be dead. Or maybe that’s just my wishful thinking. Either way crazier things have happened irl so who knows how they guna bring this ending back around in a nice little “ah-ha” bow. I still think Shauna pulled a queen from her own pocket for herself tho…and that most of the girls were in on her plan. We shall see. Not soon enough but we def shall see!!!
I really hope the writing doesn’t suffer from this writer’s strike in season 3. It’s still a good series although I felt this season to be lacking a bit.
@@karls432from and yellowjackets both had great first seasons. I actually haven't seen sradon 2 of yellowjackets. From had lazy writing but the last 2 episodes were very good. I think From is just a better series easily. The ending of season 1 4 yellowjackets was average. From has a great s3 arc and I can't week. This show is average at beat imo .
@@barbarapaparella1833 From is way better than this. I’m actually wondering what is happening in from vs this season of yellow jackets putting me to sleep. From keeps me guessing which is what yellow jackets did the first season. This season of yellow jackets was so boring there was no mind spiraling of what is happening. I honestly could have done without this season. I feel like they’re dragging what happened in the past. At least show something meaningful that happened. I hope season 3 is better otherwise I won’t be watching after.
@@rerec27 yea. I haven't seen s2 of Yellowjackets just like clips but From is a very good show and if written right S3 can be amazing. Should be interesting.
Nobody ever talks about the glitches when ONLY Ben has flashbacks. Then, it glitches at the antler queen at Lottie’s therapy … but, it never glitches back out
The greatest song choices of the episode 8 was No One’s gotta hurt you from the incomparable Sweeny Todd which spelled out Walter’s role on the next episode. And of course ep 9 Zombie, Cranberries .
I also think the season is quite a comedown from season 1. The adult yellowjacket story really suffered from a lack of overarching reason to exist like last season with the whole who is the blackmailer and who killed Travis thing. Basically the whole season was just cleaning up plots from season 1 with not a lot to replace it. Ty's adult story this year was very poor. They kind of just dropped the whole her wife is in the hospital and what is wrong with her kid story. I really thought the new character Lisa was pointless and they really did not develop adult Van much at all. The teen yellowjacket portion was much stronger although I think the whole Javi thing was a real stumble. I just cannot see Travis acting like this knowing what they did and being able to still have a relationship with Natalie and the others as adults. All that build up to bringing Javi back and that was it? And this season with the teen flashbacks had some good points but really lacked the exciting gonzo vibe from last. I think the writers really miss Jackie as not having that story anymore seemed to hurt the vibe. It is kind of like this season "explained" the hows of what we already knew and it was "meh" as it was nothing that wasn't pretty obvious. I cannot see how their plan of five seasons can still be a thing. This is season 2 and they pretty much said how they became cannibals, what they did that was so bad, and who survived. What more is really left here? (other than the adults learning Misty caused their whole situation. of course and maybe whether there really is a "evil force" (hope not))
There’s an article in The Hollywood Reporter that has an interview with the director of this episode (who also directed the pilot). There’s several things that were foreshadowed in the pilot, including Natalie losing her life by Misty’s hands. You might enjoy the article.
I agree that the supernatural explanation is a projection of the trauma and psychological effects on very young people needing to survive in a way they'd never had to. I want to believe the show is way more intelligent than to throw us a flippant supernatural gig.
@@ashley.taylor174 edit: yes, I do disagree. 🤦🏻♀️Adolescents would reasonably ascribe so much to "woo woo". Their brains are still developing so rational thought, especially in extreme circumstances, is not playing a heavy role.
Same, I have been saying since season 1 that everything that has been going on is perfectly explainable given the situation, Lottie's schizophrania explains the weird visions, Tai's bad side is possibly responsible for all the symbols, starvation and malnutrition induce hallucinations and confusion between dreams and reality, etc .... a little bit of a stretch, but then even things like Laura Lee's teddy bear catching on fire, snow falling on Jackie's corpse are easily explainable, I think the writters are toying with everyone to make them question what is really happening .... but I firmly believe there are NO supernatural elements, because for a realistic show about survival, it would be absolutely ludicrous for there to be supernatural elements
Yeah I definitely agree, I made this comment in another thread but this show is very influenced by Lord of the Flies and in that book, they also believe there is some sort of super natural things going on…but there isn’t
@@Blake101247 the writers toying: most excellent when the audience is not only witnessing psychological aberrations, but experiencing them along with the characters. It's a rare show that enables this.
Its interesting how there was a sense of Natalie being tormented for not being in on things, but now its that she was a catalyst at a key turning point.
I think adult travis killed himself because of the trauma of eating his own brother. Lottie hearing the voice of the wilderness could be chronic schizophrenia Taissa might have Dissociative identity disorder and her sleep walking could be a switch to another identity. The other identity could be a believer in the supernatural. The murder of crows and the pacifist bear could have been a coincidence Jackie’s corpse got cooked because the fire didn’t finish its job (burning her corpse) as it was put off by a bunch of snow falling from a tree branch. This could have been a coincidence.
The teddy bear catching fire in the plane right before it explodes last season?Lottie's visions coming true of the red river, the birds literally flew into the cabin kamikaze style not haphazardly died,Tais grandmother seeing the same no eyed dude as she does, the white elk(rare pure) falling in the ice then Javi, the symbols on the trees creating a larger symbol/map, crystal fell off the cliff and disappeared without blood,drag marks or tracks,snow falling on Jackies body at exact right time before it burns too much in exact right location,and 800 lb bear just bowing it's head for execution cannot be written off as "coincidence"..
@Ms. McKay lol yes because they are genuine friends and crime buddies. Misty and her lil boyfriend has gone out of their way multiple times to help Shauna and her family cover up murders.
I really do think The Antler Queen is a personification of their hunt. It's not a real person it's what they Invision themselves as when they're out there hunting their teammates down.
I just said this in a different channel!! I was going back and forth at 1st between not just one person is the Antler Queen to no1 is actually the Antler Queen but it's more of a symbol of the "wilderness"
There have been allusions to darkness within Callie, and she has questioned herself multiple times. I fully expect her to have a serious transition as she learns more and more about Shauna's time in the wilderness.
Yeah , I was thinking the same thing about Van hoping that it could get rid of her cancer ! And I agree , I thought it was super odd the way everyone just jumped into "killer mode" when Shauna pulled the card .. I like Yellowjackets , but sometimes it's just like "Come on now , seriously !? Zero to a hundred just like *BOOM* ?!"
I think that was a representation of trauma myself. I've seen ppl go from being completely fine to a blubbering mess because of a trigger about something that happened 20 years ago. By the time they were found, they were all absolutely feral. It's a wonder they all didn't join Lottie in the loonie bin honestly.
@@DelanaMcKay I think you can look at it both ways .. I can understand your perspective bc I originally thought they were stalling too , but after I rewatched n thought about it a little more it just doesn't look like they're "stalling" to me .. I asked myself multiple times "Why wouldn't they just all refuse the draw? Why would they all run to the masks and flaunt the knives , a dull knife can still kill .. Why wouldn't they just restrain Lottie before everything got so out of hand ? etc etc etc .." And I think even though they didn't originally intend on killing anyone , or plan to go through with it at all , maybe the "woods/inner self" has a hold over them and they are powerless to it's control ? I just thought it was too 0 - 100 , and I'm not just talking about this particular scene .. Even episode 8 when they were all running after Nat as teenagers it was like BOOM straight kill-a-bitch mode .. I just think it seems too fast , so what they're like all fending for each other , looking out for each other most of the time "But if we decide to kill you , we start howling like wolves at the pull of a card !" Idk, jus a lil odd to me .. But I totally understand any other perspective/views and get how you could think that ! I'm not even completely sure with my own perspective , lol , it's a work in progress lol !!
@@candypritchett83 yeah , I can see how that could be the narrative ! It could even explain the past , when they were chasing after Nat in season 8 .. I thought that was too "BOOM 0-100" too , lol ! It would make sense in both timelines that it could be trauma ! Im guessing that's actually going to be the entire "truth" of the whole show - the actions and reactions of people who go thru extreme hardships/ trauma / loss / violence and how it can affect them & even the people around them (family) .. although I do LOVE the "supernatural" idea . I'm a firm believer in things we can't explain/ the unknown / supernatural .. so obviously I'm rooting for an "evil presence " in the woods !! LMAO
@fallon babyy * I honestly believe it's a combination of the two. I wholeheartedly believe something strange was going on in those woods way before the plane crashed. The symbols. The dead body. The way Jackie's body was pretty much presented to them as a meal when they were starving. There has to be a supernatural element to the storyline for sure, but it also doesn't negate that these girls were traumatized severely for two years. The way Lottie was egging them on, Van's comments to let it happen, as if someone else was picked by the wilderness, it would cure her cancer. There is also the fact that Nat was originally picked but was spared because of Javi. The one time they all came back together, Nat was the one to go. The wilderness got what it wanted, even tho it was a mistake. I don't think that it's as simple as one reason or the other. I do see that trauma plays a huge part in present day. Nat has wanted to die since she came back. Shauna never bonded with her daughter because of the loss of the baby, and she never got over losing Jackie without resolving their issues. There’s too many elements for it to be this or that.
@@candypritchett83 omg ! The way you described everything , I think you've nailed it !! Ive enjoyed reading your explanations ! I think you're right on point !!🖤💜💙
I don’t understand why Misty brought the poison syringe in the first place. At first I thought it was a tranquilizer syringe to subdue Lottie, but apparently not.
It seemed to me that everyone snuck a weapon with them either incase it turned out to be real or with the intention of it being real. That’s my guess at least.
I think It/Wilderness is not going to be revealed as a supernatural entity, but rather as a metaphor for the human survival instinct, and that goes beyond the more obvious "we ate humans to survive", all the way to "I need to find whatever ways to rationalise the randomness and cruelty of fate" for their own sanity to survive too.
This is like Schrodinger’s forest, in Nat’s vision she says she sees them all dead they didn’t make it, but something out there changed everything. they are both alive and dead at the same time. We’ve seen Jackie die and in death she believes she was invited inside, when in reality she was left outside to die, she was both saved and abandoned. and if we believe that Lotti was seeing lora Lee in the afterlife, it would appear that lora Lee is with all her friends at the mall after saving everyone. This place your are both survivor and victim, predator and prey, alive and dead. Same with Shauna’s baby and the mouse, we see him alive and dead, or the coach who hallucinates that he decided not to go, I would say day dream but he was seeing the cabin mixed with the apartment until his ex decides to leave
I’m feeling a bit underwhelmed to be honest. Season one started off so good and got me hooked and season 2 began okay but overall I just didn’t think it was a very good finale…losing Natalie totally sucks! She was the best
It just seems like there is so much to explain away to the authorities, in one night somebody shot in the arm, a police officer shot in a trunk, a mysterious drug overdose not to mention what the goldfish girl saw
I think there are too many coincidences and clues that hint more to supernatural. Also, I remember Tai’s grandmother seeing the same monster that haunts Tai till this day.
@@lobogryz8501 who is saying that? The grandma could be hallucinating, she’s close to death. Tai was a young child full of imagination. In a stressful situation it would t be that crazy for a kid to think they see something because someone said they saw it. If she “saw” it then it could be a forever boogeyman in tais head.
I wished they would’ve framed Kevin and killed the other cop but then he would’ve investigated Nats “overdose” so it probably makes more sense for Kevin to die but I liked him.
Same I'm annoyed that Kevin died along with Nat But clearly the only reason they kept Jay alive was his beef with Shauna and Callie I think Callie will kill him in s3. She had a strange smile on her face near the end. She isn't normal
I really hope they keep the supposed supernatural aspects vague and up to interpretation. I hope it's never definitively answered. That would be a mistake. Also, I don't think it's definitive to even say Nat was in purgatory or moving into some afterlife. The camera lingered on her showing she was still alive but passing away. These could be hallucinations.
Theory: The Wilderness will heal Simone instead of Vanessa. I only theorize this, because I'm assuming more of the women know about Simone's injuries. If they knew that Vanessa was sick then maybe she'd be cured, but it wouldn't be the first time there was a misdirect with the sacrificial healing (Shauna being saved instead of the baby living).
Honestly Van has cheated death twice I don't think she will be afforded with another chance and I think they want the whole wilderness thing to start to extend out past the plane-crash survivors and start affecting the people around them too (I think it already has started to influence Callie) so I think that could explain why Simone gets cured over Vanessa. As someone who more believes in the 'Wilderness' not being real and just something the girls got attached to as a way of coping along with the more 'supernatural' things happening just being delusion and hallucination brought on by both starvation and trauma. I think Van's cancer suddenly being cured is much less likely to happen over Simone being able to recover from her injuries.
One thing that I don't think gets talked about enough among YJ fans is that there are still 3 unnamed and - as yet - barely seen girls in the wilderness. At the beginning of S1E3, there are 18 of them standing in a circle as they talk and say prayers after burying the dead. Since Coach isn't one of them, that makes 19 crash survivors. 4 of them have died since then, so there are now 15, but only 12 of them have been named characters with speaking roles. This is confirmed in S2E8, when there is a shot of them - again - standing in a circle, this time as they draw the cards. There are 14 of them in this scene. Since neither Lottie or Coach are there, that brings the number to 16. After losing Javi a few minutes later, we are now at 15. The 12 named characters are Shauna, Nat, Taissa, Misty, Van, Lottie, Travis, Coach, Mari, Akila, Gen, and Melissa. So that tells us that S3 will give us 3 new characters, just like S2E1 gave us Gen, Crystal and Melissa. Just throwing this out there since, as I said, no one seems to be talking about it.
yeah i vaguely remember some background characters that survived the crash but were never named or important characters so that might be an interesting factor of season 3
@@Julie10449 Yup. I agree. Pit Girl could be one of these girls and maybe mean nasty Mari is the - possible - eighth survivor, and is out there plotting something. Maybe we'll have an adult Mari in season 3.
I wonder where Akila, Gen and the new three girls they "introduced" in the selection round in ep8 were when the cabin was burning...they definitly aren't in the group final scene, when all the "mains" were watching the cabin burning down but, with all the production mistakes this show has, it really doesnt surprise me...
@@alexp601 watch the scene again, they're not...about the production, it's something about the continuity/pacing/timing of some scenes, dont you notice them?
@@penbunk Yeah I definitely noticed pacing and profession was off this season, but from more of a story/screenplay perspective rather than editing/filming. It wasn’t as solid as the first season overall.
Just watched the finale it was a bit of a bumpy ride, really really love the part Natalie became the queen. I was rooting for her not to die and hatred when she died in present time. I would have liked to know about other mysteries present in the group.
Shauna wanted to keep shuffling because she was trying to buy time. She thought mental health professionals were on the way. I think that's all that means.
I have a theory that the wilderness won't let Natalie die and she'll come back changed and mirror the way she was as the leader back in the 90's. It's a long shot (plus wishful thinking because I love her character) but it could happen because this show is crazy
Shauna wasn't shuffling to stack the deck! She was wasting time bc she thought the medics were coming to get Lottie! Until Van and Tia tell them they weren't coming. Pay attention man. The scene with wearing white in the vision was a glimpse of Nat as the antler queen. Seriously do you even watch the show? Shauna is only jealous bc she doesn't feel appreciated. If you watch the words she says "with all I do to feed them". She has the most difficult role in the group loiie the shaman Misty the healer Natalie the hunter and Shauna as butcher and now executioner. Did you see how she didn't want to kill Natalie. And she completely broke having to cut up Javi. She liked Javi, she was the only one who talked to him and gave him writing supplies. And she's the one who saved him at Doomscoming. He made her the wolf. Look at her face. She was completely broken. That's why she's upset. She's upset bc she does the worst job so NO ONE ELSE HAS TO! She doesn't feel appreciated. No one ever says thank you to her. Mari bitches if she takes too long. She wants to be appreciated for her role in the group. Do you think Mari or the new ones could do that? Hell no all Mari does is "stir the pot", literally and figuratively. Idk why I frustrate myself on your channel. You constantly get things wrong. But I love the show so I watch. Just try to pay better attention next season. Please.
Shauna definitely has the worst job, I don't think they realize how it's affecting her, and she's frustrated cause all they care about is eating, which is understandable, but she's constantly having to hack up animals and now a human (like you said, a human she actually really liked) I can't even imagine
Love all your theories as always! I can’t wait to watch the season 3 predictions video you’ll drop. I do tho think it is more supernatural especially with Lottie’s dreams she has (she pretty much sees the future). And then my brain also goes back to those birds all hitting the house and dying rapidly. There’s even more points to make but I’ll leave it at that :)
the trauma/all-in-their-heads horror trope is played out and pisses off most viewers in the end. i really hope they dont do this. That said, I do think there is enough evidence of supernatural forces at play
I do think that, in the end, the characters (at least, whichever ones are still alive at that point) are going to come to the realization that there never was any "it", any outside source influencing them at all. It was all their own psychological issues, and their own decisions that directed everything. And I expect that will be a very difficult, traumatic realization for them to face, given some of the terrible things they have done.
The one thing I noticed about Walter was his music choice in episode 8, from Sweeney Todd and Phantom of the opera. Given that both have protagonists that are morally grey at best/villains at worst who are trying to protect people they love at any length, including murder, and trying to get revenge for their mistreatment, plus the “Sherlock to my Moriarty” line, I had no doubt that Walter was more than a “citizen detective”.
when they showed Lottie with all of the rest of the survivors at the beginning of the season, they purposely hid some of the survivor's faces. Could this be a hint that there are more survivors to be revealed?
All I know is I had goosebumps all over when Street spirt dropped. Just chills all over. They do a phenomenal job with the soundtracks for sure. I think her daughter is going to now be affected by the wilderness stuff too. She was in essence, a part of that last ritual. Same with Lisa. She is going to take Natalie's place.
I couldn’t tell what was going on with hunting shauna. At first I thought when van said we should deal with this ourselves they were planning to take out Lottie instead of having her locked up (which made so sense anyway…she wasn’t stalking them she was just crazy so why the hospital wasn’t the right place for her I don’t know). And other than tai and van everybody else expected the medics to come but then yeah they all looked like they were legit hunting shauna and would have let Lottie stab her…?
i thought the way they had to keep drawing cards and it flashed between present day and the past was that the longer they drew the cards for the longer their instincts kicked in, it was a ritual they were all used to so maybe it was a trigger, they literally switched back to animals and also theres the whole underlying thing of them missing the hunt too
Not sure if other people have picked this up. But I believe 'the wilderness' is heavily based on the wendigo, which is a supernatural entity/monster that causes people to commit acts of cannibalism (and is usually depicted as having antlers), but also has a psychological disorder named after it (wendigo psychosis) the symptoms of which include the desire to eat human flesh and the fear of becoming a cannibal. So I think this helps define the themes of the show in that there are supernatural elements to it but it could just as easily be interpreted as psychological strain. So it's not necessarily one or the other, it's both, it's the wendigo 😁
I liked how the suit Nat is wearing on the plane is near identical to the one Kim wears in the breeders 93 hit Cannonball' Probably just a coincidence though
What’s interesting is how they revert back to their young personalities. Most of us do this when we get together with our group of high school friends - our personalities shift to the way we were back then with the group.
@Ms. McKay bra the bear was literally JUST sitting there. Go look back at it lol it's no excuse. Please take a look back some time today.. I said same thing til u go back and replay
@@DelanaMcKay you have horrible reading comprehension. They were talking about the teddy bear... IT caught fire, not anything else. Was the "faulty wiring" inside the bear lmao
@@loz9324😂😂😂 Yeaaa I definitely not talking about any real bear.. I'm saying they said " It's no super natural forces" but the teddy bear on the plane caught fire out of thin air.
Hmmm ... will Jay, trying to dig up more information that can burn the yellowjackets, find Ben, and then Ben will be a sort of antagonist in S3? I am firmly sticking to Ben surviving, because I swear there was a scene or two that showed somebody (solo) walking across a snow caped mountaintop .... plus the odds of him surviving now are I think way higher than him dying, although if he burned the cabin down he might have lowered his chances of survival
I think Ben is alive in present day too. I wouldn't be surprised if he burned down the cabin to kill the girls who were going crazy and could potentially end up trying to kill him.
@@alexp601 I think he prob did burn it down, especially considering they were barricaded in but I have a hard time reconciling his character doing that after he was so morally disgusted with them eating Jackie and killing Javi. Doesn’t really add up. As far as him surviving I think there’s a pretty slim chance but you never know.
Walter is my fav and especially with misty together and I thought he was like that since we met him and even without clues and I knew that he would save the day and I can't wait to see more of them together but especially him
Lame ending in the present timeline; Rushed and very Contrived; from all the characters converging at the same location without a good reason, to the childish way the cops situation was "resolved", including Nat setting up what would be her own death with Lisa and Van cancelling the emergency call both without a good reason. Bad writing and execution, maybe in a 10-episode season it could've been better.
This show is so much like Lost. Science vs faith. Dr. Jack vs John Locke. Also, just like Lost, there are probably some “others” that burned the cabin.
I don't think it is supernatural occurrences. They have always emphasized the characters have mental issues even before the plane crash- Lottie with schizophrenia, Tai imagining an eyeless man, Misty being...Misty and Natalie being traumatized. Shauna hasn't been shown to hallucinate and states in this episode that she is NOT on board with any It. We don't know Van's backstory and none of the auxiliary characters are shown to experience anything (they may go along with Lottie but that doesn't mean they feel anything). Even with Javi, we don't know if something visited him or he imagined things as a boy alone in the woods. To me, the lack of confirmation of anything supernatural IS evidence that the writers are just toying with it, not that they mean it.
@@DelanaMcKay They cannot get rescued right away. They stayed in the wilderness for 19months and up until now they have only been one autumn and half a winter.
We now know what Walter ment when he said he was a Moriarty looking for his Sherlock. He wanted someone with a mind compatible to his. I wonder now if he planned the accident to get a payout. And Javi never should have come back, like he was told. By whoever.
Holy shit this season sucked. I’m not clamoring for season three because the writing here is becoming CW levels of bad. The first season was so sharp and this season was so sloppy with storylines I don’t even care about. I was feeling so underwhelmed throughout this season but was convinced the finale would blow me away and then… it flopped hard. What a disappointment this series has become.
I notice that some of the present day characters are mirror images of the characters when they were trapped in the wilderness Callie-Jackie Walter-Misty Lisa-Natalie Sammy-Taissa
I agree they should of taken the last 2 episodes to do this. Also so much to unpack didn't Nat hide a knife under her sleeve @ the last card draw ?? What's up with that But I want/need to know if anyone finds out about Misty n the black box ...... ??
the first thing i though when i saw the smoke at the ending was about their rescue. just cause a fire big enough to get attention (they even had an airplane full of fuel to help with that)
I'm not too swayed one way or the other with the "supernatural or science" but I will say, I don't think the teddy bear bursting into flames in the plane can be explained by science. Much of the other stuff, yes.
Why was Javi's brother more upset when he didn't know where he was, and even more so even he was found. Id be most upset about seeing my brother's body being sacrificed for dinner. .. weird how backwards his feelings are.
Wendigo. I think they might blame the Wendigo. And the house burning as they pan out means the smoke from the house fire is how they get saved...love your show...
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Walters “plan” makes no sense. Contrived and rushed to wrap up the murder investigation. They had better address the plot holes next season.
Jared,,,,thanks for the complete season breakdowns for Yellow Jackets.
I wanted to know if you caught the vision when Nat is stabbed by misty , there was a scene split second image from S1 . You remember when the teens had a party night before boarding plan ....Nat was drink with Kevyn Tan and we know that misty was not the party but Nat sees a vision of teen misty . The visual languagre implies that Misty was there at begining and at her end ...I see no logical reason for Nat to have that kind vision so ther are some ESP extrasensory percieced realiry
Lmfaoo
@@DelanaMcKay that's just the kind of crazy I would expect. Hahaha
While there were 10 people outside, only 8 girls were standing there before the roof collapsed. I think it's very plausible that Gen and Akilah died in the cabin fire. We never saw them get out.
Honestly, I think the moment where Shauna says that they were the ones that decided to do every horrible act and there was no supernatural element, while Lottie simply asks, "Is there a difference?" is gonna be the entire premise of the show. It does not matter if there is a supernatural force in the show, but the characters always make the final choice.
I love this idea. The locus of control is like the oroborus, circular, with no finality or any straightforward answers. As humans, we’re always looking for patterns, answers, explanations, but it’s like trying to survey the night sky from a bottom of a well; we see only what we can see, and have to assume the rest.
I always felt like the supernatural element is just a psychological toll of all the horrible things they had to do to survive
I think the fact they leave it up to interpretation is probably the best element like you make your own mind up to whether it’s psychosis or something bigger
I love this. Reminds me a lot of the show Evil…. As they leave it up to the viewers discretion to decide what is really occurring. Supernatural or science.
I pretty much think theirs definitely something supernatural going on I’m pretty sure it’s something demonic and they are like witches feeding souls to these demons. That would explain Tai’s umm affliction or lotties energy Shauna is the knife that sacrifices . Natalie is a dark soul with leadership skills these demons are manipulating them into these things
Anyone else thought that Natalie should've saw Travis on the plane?
I was soooo confused by that. It seems like Travis would be "the One" she would visualize
@@cynthiafarmer1803 exactly! 💯
Maybe Lottie has more significance to Natalie and we just haven’t seen it yet. Or maybe Lottie is just a symbol of the wilderness to Natalie.
Maybe the show producers hadn't cast and older Travis so decided to leave him out.
@@mattcollier6717 That's a great theory! The older Travis has been shown in the first and second seasons. However, perhaps the actor wasn't available to shoot that scene.
Shauna wanted to prolong the card shuffling cause she didn’t want the hunt to happen . She was stalling waiting on the the psych people to come take Lottie . Van wanted the hunt ! That’s why she said that the cards were shuffled enough
I thought Van would sacrifice herself because she's sick in present day but she's turned very dark
It's like they all still have that sick instinct to kill each other
Van was the first to believe in wilderness
Im sure she did it on purpose, she let the hunt go on, she know Tai switched and take vantage. She didn't want to die
i thought so too! i thought Van would be selfless but guess not
She has cancer. I don't think it will work if they just offer themselves. It has to be a hunt. But shes still a bitch for still letting the hunt happen. She got nothing to lose😅
SAME! But she looking crazier than Lot ATM!
I think Van is going to be healed in S3 after the death of Natalie. Lottie says something like, "It is pleased," then looks at Van, "You'll see."
All that aside: Who is watching Sammy while Mom #1 is in a coma and Taissa took off to be w/Van?? This has been making me crazy, he just...stopped existing.
I saw a theory saying that since Javi is the first one who got the Queen of hearts card (since he brought it back), he WAS supposed to die during the hunt. And with Natalie dying, it kinda confirm that whoever get the card really ends up being the sacrifice🤷♀️.
So shauna better get ready lol
Sure but others would have drawn the card and died during their time in the wilderness. I guess the 'wilderness' doesn't forget and if you've ever drawn the card before, you're going to die in a hunt. Or something like that.
Javier said he was told not to go back to them by some woman, too. All I could think was he shouldn't have come back.
@Ms. McKay “Just go with it, we get to eat” is my life philosophy 😆
@@DelanaTaylorand I think they burned the other queens too, so less 3 more. In terms of art, couldn’t the characters represent both of your descriptions?
shauna's chronic jealousy of EVERYONE is insane
Shauna is Not The gentle little woman she wants to appear as. She's unhinged af. She wants to kill again. She fucking loves the thrill of the hunt.
who's she been jealous of other than jackie?
@@EvolveEcho-ut7swnatalie (when she became the new leader)
@@EvolveEcho-ut7swand to an extent her own daughter i.e. the masturbating to the daughters boyfriend's picture 🤢
@@EvolveEcho-ut7swnatalie & lottie for their leadership influence. basically anyone else who ends up as the center of attention & isn’t her.
I have a hard time believing the writers are uncertain whether or not there IS something supernatural based on like, three things: the miraculous jackie bbq, Laura Lee plane combustion, and Lottie stabbing a bear in the head. I just can’t rationalize those things with trauma.
Or the man with no eyes that haunts Tai’s grandmother and her.
Exactly! I left the comment pointing out one or two of the same things you did. There's way too many things and I'm sure eventually they will officially confirm them
@@ashley.taylor174 exactly!
Someone theorized about some sort of metallic poisoning in the area explaining the bear and the dead birds.
There the only "entities" that let Javi die was Nat, misty, Van, akilah , Shauna etc.
There is no entity, it's othering their own guilt.
It would be cool to see more of their life after they got rescued instead of their adult lives which I found to be pretty dull.
I'm betting this is going to be saved for the last season
Yes. I’m hoping they actually go into detail showing the rescue, and the few months after. It would be interesting to see how they all adjust to a normal world again.
I honestly don’t really care about the wildness anymore lol. I found post rescue so much more interesting
@@EJD339 I feel the same.
Right for almost the entire first season we just focused on shaunas affair and her dancing and prancing around with that Adam dude every day I was like omggggg
i think the entity of the wilderness is similar to the sandman’s dream. personification of an abstract concept and they give it power by believing in it. it’s them they are it and it gives them “power” to survive the wilderness by becoming savage as it so the strongest can survive
I was having a hard time putting words to what I felt was going on and you said it perfectly. Thank you 🙏
@@luckyowl6432 i think throughout the series we’re going to get more shots of the survivors as the “antler queen” we already saw nat and i think lotte as her
That's a really good way to put it! I feel there's definitely more going on out there than just PTSD and delusions. We've got more seasons planned so I think it's going to get a lot crazier. Very well put!
Adult Shauna said it
ITS called Manifestation Mate
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but the “dripping” noise seems like it was Javi striking the rock for fire. Shown when coach was doing so meaning the hiding spot was very close to the cabin if not underneath it.
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I think there is shelter under the cabin since the guy that lived there was a survivalist, but as the cave where Javi was living, is farther away, since that is where they were going when he fell through the ice and drowned. Also, Ben had to trek a bit far since he had to make his crutches easier to walk on snow and ice. I think a mile or 2 away.
This show is still great but I was disappointed with this season. It is harder to juggle more characters and storylines and it has become comical how they swept Kevin and Adam’s deaths under the rug. It’s as if they painted themselves into a corner there. I hope the next season gets back to more mystery and horror and less slapstick.
This exactly
The writing was not impressive
They clearly didn't know what to do with Ben either
Also the way characters act in certain situations- Travis didn't flip out enough about Javi's death.
Hate what they did with Kevin
Pretty much hate how a lot of things were handled thus season
@@may.k_me I had hope that the writers knew what they were doing and that I was wrong, until Travis ate his brother's heart. It was so weird and over-the-top.
they didnt sweep the deaths under the rug. it was the last episode. its part of a storyline so it will go onto the next season.
You hit the nail on the head when you said the finale was kind of underwhelming! I felt bad after watching it because I was feeling a bit let down as it had way more potential. Especially considering how the cast were kind of hyping it up the same way they were talking about Season 2 Episode 6, which was probably the most devastating episode of any show I’ve seen in a looong long time. Great video as always!!
I should have been a longer finale
Show completely tanked. It's like the writers didn't think they would get a season 3 so they just farted out the last two episodes.
Travis eating his Little brother's heart, nat dying by mysty perpetual selfish decisions, kevyn dying by mysty's bf selfish decisions..
Oh yeah totally boring.
Jfc you guys are unbelievable.
@@kc5997 Chill out man LMFAO! They spent all of 5 minutes of the final episode rushing to get all these characters in one place, just to kill them off and forget about them with no questions asked. You’d think a major character death like Natalie would have been more played out, no? It was an underwhelming finale because it had way more potential and there were too many random things thrown together. Maybe if they had just one extra episode it could have filled it out a bit more.
@Slipknot fan yeah i saw!!! :) they said it will be released closer to season 3 than season 2 so we unfortunately have a while to wait but i’m glad there will be something in between
I really thought that Travis would have done more to protect his brother’s corpse. It didn’t sit right with me how easily he yielded and submitted to the group.
People will do weird things when they're starving, unfortunately.
What else could he do ? Looking at it would not help anyone to survive.
He was starving
People will comply with a lot of things, including compromising their own morals to survive. He is outnumbered/overpowered. He sees no choice but to be complicit.
That is correct, not only did he or could of picked up the rifle and shoot the muthas,,easily gave up quickly to 2 girls holding him down!!
There is definitely Supernatural things happening. We've gotten so many things that can't be explained, one major one is when "the wilderness" was swooping through the trees and knocked all the snow on Jackie's body causing her to cook. I think this show is going to get a whole lot crazier over the next few seasons explaining the eyeless man, the cabin guy, the underground cave and Javis's "friend", Crystal's body disappearing and so much more. So much craziness and with more seasons planned it would be the lamest thing ever for none of these supernatural things to come to light.
Another video theorized Javi's friend to be Lottie, as when Javi first mentions a friend, he and Lottie look directly at each other
After this final ep I'm thinking more than ever that there is nothing supernatural going on, and that it's all them finding reasons for what happened to them out there, and what they did. Or maybe that's just what they want us to think and season 3 will reveal that actually there is supernatural stuff going on. But up to this point, there really haven't been that many crazy supernatural things, that haven't been in their heads. The craziest thing is the Jackie BBQ, but that could have just been something that naturally happened with wind and the fire that was there.
@@alexp601 I kind of want for them to show all kinds of supernatural stuff leading to the second winter, but it would be amazing if they never really explain anything and leave to interpretation.
The one undoubtedly supernatural thing that occurred was in season 1. When Laura Lee’s plane explodes….the teddy bear in the passenger seat first caught fire. It’s also been suggested that Lottie’s visions are premonitions
The bear just sacrificing itself and the birds?
This show seems to be turning the audience into a member of the Yellowjackets, with viewers understanding things logically or accepting the supernatural elements
Love this thought! So true!!!
Team Logic AF right here but with tooooons of unanswered questions that’s for sure! 🦇🖤🦇
Lesson learned: Don't be Misty's bestfriend.
Hard to do because it never seems to be a choice.😂
You can’t kill an imaginary best friend really…doesn’t count.
@@joshbecka6110 she killed her other best friend on the cliff lol
Now, I learnt this lesson in s1🙃
@@joshbecka6110 she was real mari made her choose a card, her first interaction is with gen and other people have interacted with them both together
I feel that Natalie was not supposed to die at the end of the season, but rather that Juliette Lewis wanted out of the project. I remember her mentioning that she needed to know the entire arc of the character she was portraying in order to give her best performance. Also...Travis is not on the plane? He was her whole motivation last season! I hope they do something similar to what they did in Star Wars with Anakin
I’m very slightly wondering if Travis not being on the plane is maybe a smidge of a way to let us know that she might not be dead. Or maybe that’s just my wishful thinking. Either way crazier things have happened irl so who knows how they guna bring this ending back around in a nice little “ah-ha” bow.
I still think Shauna pulled a queen from her own pocket for herself tho…and that most of the girls were in on her plan. We shall see. Not soon enough but we def shall see!!!
I really hope the writing doesn’t suffer from this writer’s strike in season 3. It’s still a good series although I felt this season to be lacking a bit.
5 seasons apparently, got a feeling it’s going to go the same way as, Lost, did!
@@karls432from and yellowjackets both had great first seasons. I actually haven't seen sradon 2 of yellowjackets. From had lazy writing but the last 2 episodes were very good. I think From is just a better series easily. The ending of season 1 4 yellowjackets was average. From has a great s3 arc and I can't week. This show is average at beat imo .
@@barbarapaparella1833 From is way better than this. I’m actually wondering what is happening in from vs this season of yellow jackets putting me to sleep. From keeps me guessing which is what yellow jackets did the first season. This season of yellow jackets was so boring there was no mind spiraling of what is happening. I honestly could have done without this season. I feel like they’re dragging what happened in the past. At least show something meaningful that happened. I hope season 3 is better otherwise I won’t be watching after.
@@rerec27 yea. I haven't seen s2 of Yellowjackets just like clips but From is a very good show and if written right S3 can be amazing. Should be interesting.
Question: is “from” a different show? Or just phones autocorrecting “lost”
Walter is an awesome character
Fuck yeah
of course! he survived Morguls's Blade and Mordor =P
I love the duo. Misty and Walter are the perfect kooky pair, they're so entertaining.
Shauna: beats the living sh*t out of Lottie and almost kills her
Also Shauna: "Omg why don't they like/trust me? I feel so invisible" 🤣🤣
Nobody ever talks about the glitches when ONLY Ben has flashbacks. Then, it glitches at the antler queen at Lottie’s therapy … but, it never glitches back out
What kind of glitches do you mean? Shauna saw her dead bf and another caracter saw that mouse alive. But maybe i didn't see what you mean?
The greatest song choices of the episode 8 was No One’s gotta hurt you from the incomparable Sweeny Todd which spelled out Walter’s role on the next episode. And of course ep 9 Zombie, Cranberries .
And street spirit
Killing moon was awesome
My biggest question is why Shauna and Tai so adamant about Lottie needing psychological help, when in fact they need it as much or more
Hahaha
I also think the season is quite a comedown from season 1. The adult yellowjacket story really suffered from a lack of overarching reason to exist like last season with the whole who is the blackmailer and who killed Travis thing. Basically the whole season was just cleaning up plots from season 1 with not a lot to replace it. Ty's adult story this year was very poor. They kind of just dropped the whole her wife is in the hospital and what is wrong with her kid story. I really thought the new character Lisa was pointless and they really did not develop adult Van much at all.
The teen yellowjacket portion was much stronger although I think the whole Javi thing was a real stumble. I just cannot see Travis acting like this knowing what they did and being able to still have a relationship with Natalie and the others as adults. All that build up to bringing Javi back and that was it? And this season with the teen flashbacks had some good points but really lacked the exciting gonzo vibe from last. I think the writers really miss Jackie as not having that story anymore seemed to hurt the vibe. It is kind of like this season "explained" the hows of what we already knew and it was "meh" as it was nothing that wasn't pretty obvious.
I cannot see how their plan of five seasons can still be a thing. This is season 2 and they pretty much said how they became cannibals, what they did that was so bad, and who survived. What more is really left here? (other than the adults learning Misty caused their whole situation. of course and maybe whether there really is a "evil force" (hope not))
There’s an article in The Hollywood Reporter that has an interview with the director of this episode (who also directed the pilot). There’s several things that were foreshadowed in the pilot, including Natalie losing her life by Misty’s hands. You might enjoy the article.
What’s the name of the article so I can look it up/do you have a link you could send? Would love to read it, I’m so intrigued
@@BellsGAfanTV It’s “Yellowjackets Director on Foreshadowing Natalie’s Death and Juliette Lewis’ Exit.” Enjoy!
I agree that the supernatural explanation is a projection of the trauma and psychological effects on very young people needing to survive in a way they'd never had to. I want to believe the show is way more intelligent than to throw us a flippant supernatural gig.
I think the science is just a red herring for the actual supernatural entity that’s happening. Reminds me of Lost. Locke vs Jack.
@@ashley.taylor174 edit: yes, I do disagree. 🤦🏻♀️Adolescents would reasonably ascribe so much to "woo woo". Their brains are still developing so rational thought, especially in extreme circumstances, is not playing a heavy role.
Same, I have been saying since season 1 that everything that has been going on is perfectly explainable given the situation, Lottie's schizophrania explains the weird visions, Tai's bad side is possibly responsible for all the symbols, starvation and malnutrition induce hallucinations and confusion between dreams and reality, etc .... a little bit of a stretch, but then even things like Laura Lee's teddy bear catching on fire, snow falling on Jackie's corpse are easily explainable, I think the writters are toying with everyone to make them question what is really happening .... but I firmly believe there are NO supernatural elements, because for a realistic show about survival, it would be absolutely ludicrous for there to be supernatural elements
Yeah I definitely agree, I made this comment in another thread but this show is very influenced by Lord of the Flies and in that book, they also believe there is some sort of super natural things going on…but there isn’t
@@Blake101247 the writers toying: most excellent when the audience is not only witnessing psychological aberrations, but experiencing them along with the characters. It's a rare show that enables this.
Its interesting how there was a sense of Natalie being tormented for not being in on things, but now its that she was a catalyst at a key turning point.
She’s always been an outsider and now she feels like she is being accepted as an integral member of the group.
@Ms. McKay agreed.
@Ms. McKay , I agree as well. Thanks for your comment.
@@DelanaMcKaysolid take
I think adult travis killed himself because of the trauma of eating his own brother.
Lottie hearing the voice of the wilderness could be chronic schizophrenia
Taissa might have Dissociative identity disorder and her sleep walking could be a switch to another identity. The other identity could be a believer in the supernatural.
The murder of crows and the pacifist bear could have been a coincidence
Jackie’s corpse got cooked because the fire didn’t finish its job (burning her corpse) as it was put off by a bunch of snow falling from a tree branch. This could have been a coincidence.
The teddy bear catching fire in the plane right before it explodes last season?Lottie's visions coming true of the red river, the birds literally flew into the cabin kamikaze style not haphazardly died,Tais grandmother seeing the same no eyed dude as she does, the white elk(rare pure) falling in the ice then Javi, the symbols on the trees creating a larger symbol/map, crystal fell off the cliff and disappeared without blood,drag marks or tracks,snow falling on Jackies body at exact right time before it burns too much in exact right location,and 800 lb bear just bowing it's head for execution cannot be written off as "coincidence"..
A bear would never just walk up and sit in front of you like that so your wrong
Shauna was stalling. She thought the people from the hospital were coming for Lottie.
Just an example of how quick people will turn on you. I was surprised misty was going to go through with it.
@Ms. McKay god i hate misty. She's a serial killer
@Ms. McKay yesss that would be interesting!!!!
@Ms. McKay lol yes because they are genuine friends and crime buddies. Misty and her lil boyfriend has gone out of their way multiple times to help Shauna and her family cover up murders.
I really do think The Antler Queen is a personification of their hunt. It's not a real person it's what they Invision themselves as when they're out there hunting their teammates down.
I just said this in a different channel!! I was going back and forth at 1st between not just one person is the Antler Queen to no1 is actually the Antler Queen but it's more of a symbol of the "wilderness"
There have been allusions to darkness within Callie, and she has questioned herself multiple times. I fully expect her to have a serious transition as she learns more and more about Shauna's time in the wilderness.
Alternatively, just being near and closer to the YJs is her "wilderness" and she'll adapt like mother did.
Yeah , I was thinking the same thing about Van hoping that it could get rid of her cancer ! And I agree , I thought it was super odd the way everyone just jumped into "killer mode" when Shauna pulled the card .. I like Yellowjackets , but sometimes it's just like "Come on now , seriously !? Zero to a hundred just like *BOOM* ?!"
I think that was a representation of trauma myself. I've seen ppl go from being completely fine to a blubbering mess because of a trigger about something that happened 20 years ago. By the time they were found, they were all absolutely feral. It's a wonder they all didn't join Lottie in the loonie bin honestly.
@@DelanaMcKay I think you can look at it both ways .. I can understand your perspective bc I originally thought they were stalling too , but after I rewatched n thought about it a little more it just doesn't look like they're "stalling" to me .. I asked myself multiple times "Why wouldn't they just all refuse the draw? Why would they all run to the masks and flaunt the knives , a dull knife can still kill .. Why wouldn't they just restrain Lottie before everything got so out of hand ? etc etc etc .." And I think even though they didn't originally intend on killing anyone , or plan to go through with it at all , maybe the "woods/inner self" has a hold over them and they are powerless to it's control ? I just thought it was too 0 - 100 , and I'm not just talking about this particular scene .. Even episode 8 when they were all running after Nat as teenagers it was like BOOM straight kill-a-bitch mode .. I just think it seems too fast , so what they're like all fending for each other , looking out for each other most of the time "But if we decide to kill you , we start howling like wolves at the pull of a card !" Idk, jus a lil odd to me .. But I totally understand any other perspective/views and get how you could think that ! I'm not even completely sure with my own perspective , lol , it's a work in progress lol !!
@@candypritchett83 yeah , I can see how that could be the narrative ! It could even explain the past , when they were chasing after Nat in season 8 .. I thought that was too "BOOM 0-100" too , lol ! It would make sense in both timelines that it could be trauma ! Im guessing that's actually going to be the entire "truth" of the whole show - the actions and reactions of people who go thru extreme hardships/ trauma / loss / violence and how it can affect them & even the people around them (family) .. although I do LOVE the "supernatural" idea . I'm a firm believer in things we can't explain/ the unknown / supernatural .. so obviously I'm rooting for an "evil presence " in the woods !! LMAO
@fallon babyy * I honestly believe it's a combination of the two. I wholeheartedly believe something strange was going on in those woods way before the plane crashed. The symbols. The dead body. The way Jackie's body was pretty much presented to them as a meal when they were starving. There has to be a supernatural element to the storyline for sure, but it also doesn't negate that these girls were traumatized severely for two years. The way Lottie was egging them on, Van's comments to let it happen, as if someone else was picked by the wilderness, it would cure her cancer. There is also the fact that Nat was originally picked but was spared because of Javi. The one time they all came back together, Nat was the one to go. The wilderness got what it wanted, even tho it was a mistake. I don't think that it's as simple as one reason or the other. I do see that trauma plays a huge part in present day. Nat has wanted to die since she came back. Shauna never bonded with her daughter because of the loss of the baby, and she never got over losing Jackie without resolving their issues. There’s too many elements for it to be this or that.
@@candypritchett83 omg ! The way you described everything , I think you've nailed it !! Ive enjoyed reading your explanations ! I think you're right on point !!🖤💜💙
I don’t understand why Misty brought the poison syringe in the first place. At first I thought it was a tranquilizer syringe to subdue Lottie, but apparently not.
Oh yeah good thought!!! It would make sense to be a tranquilizer, but a fatal dose???
i dont think it was poison, i think the problem was she stabbed her heart with it
Knowing Misty, i feel like she might carry something like that at all times😭
It seemed to me that everyone snuck a weapon with them either incase it turned out to be real or with the intention of it being real. That’s my guess at least.
I think It/Wilderness is not going to be revealed as a supernatural entity, but rather as a metaphor for the human survival instinct, and that goes beyond the more obvious "we ate humans to survive", all the way to "I need to find whatever ways to rationalise the randomness and cruelty of fate" for their own sanity to survive too.
Yellowjackets is a gory show, but it still gives us the entertainment we all deserve to have. As always, keep up the good work with all of this.
Lottie definitely has some kind of powers of foresight cause remember that accident her parents and her almost got in?
This is like Schrodinger’s forest, in Nat’s vision she says she sees them all dead they didn’t make it, but something out there changed everything. they are both alive and dead at the same time. We’ve seen Jackie die and in death she believes she was invited inside, when in reality she was left outside to die, she was both saved and abandoned. and if we believe that Lotti was seeing lora Lee in the afterlife, it would appear that lora Lee is with all her friends at the mall after saving everyone. This place your are both survivor and victim, predator and prey, alive and dead. Same with Shauna’s baby and the mouse, we see him alive and dead, or the coach who hallucinates that he decided not to go, I would say day dream but he was seeing the cabin mixed with the apartment until his ex decides to leave
I’m feeling a bit underwhelmed to be honest. Season one started off so good and got me hooked and season 2 began okay but overall I just didn’t think it was a very good finale…losing Natalie totally sucks! She was the best
I heard an interview last year that said they will never confirm supernatural, but they will closely toe that line of supernatural and psychological
It just seems like there is so much to explain away to the authorities, in one night somebody shot in the arm, a police officer shot in a trunk, a mysterious drug overdose not to mention what the goldfish girl saw
I agree, that was all too messy for my taste. No police force would let any of them go without investigating.
It’s not perfect there are flaws. But I love the premise and the acting was great. Elijah Wood plays an amazing creep. 8/10 !!
He’s the most interesting character IMO! And I think he links my mind to the 90’s bc he was my childhood crush.
Also, episode 8 misty told Natalie if she helped him, they would get her! So she stopped helping and they all watched… so it’s definitely on her too.
I think "the wilderness" is a metaphor for their shared trauma. They're experiencing shared delusions.
Elijah was fuckin brilliant this season. And huge kudos to all the actors - the teens and present day. All so well done..
I think there are too many coincidences and clues that hint more to supernatural. Also, I remember Tai’s grandmother seeing the same monster that haunts Tai till this day.
Could she manifest the no eyes man because her grandma introduced that idea to her as a kid?
You mean the old lady who was on her death bead? Yeah, lets take was she said for granted. God.
@@lobogryz8501 who is saying that? The grandma could be hallucinating, she’s close to death. Tai was a young child full of imagination. In a stressful situation it would t be that crazy for a kid to think they see something because someone said they saw it. If she “saw” it then it could be a forever boogeyman in tais head.
@@hysteric-and-hysterical yeah that's called mass hysteria. Which is triggered by trauma and starvation.
@@kc5997 you’re saying Tai alone experienced mass hysteria when her grandma died? Or the whole group is experiencing it after the crash?
I wished they would’ve framed Kevin and killed the other cop but then he would’ve investigated Nats “overdose” so it probably makes more sense for Kevin to die but I liked him.
Yeah that other cop is a douche.
Same
I'm annoyed that Kevin died along with Nat
But clearly the only reason they kept Jay alive was his beef with Shauna and Callie
I think Callie will kill him in s3. She had a strange smile on her face near the end. She isn't normal
@@may.k_me I think so too. Alot of foreshadowing with Callie, she's got the "wilderness" in her
The music on this show is epic too. When they dropped Cranberries Zombie? I was sooooo amped up!
I really hope they keep the supposed supernatural aspects vague and up to interpretation. I hope it's never definitively answered. That would be a mistake.
Also, I don't think it's definitive to even say Nat was in purgatory or moving into some afterlife. The camera lingered on her showing she was still alive but passing away. These could be hallucinations.
Theory: The Wilderness will heal Simone instead of Vanessa. I only theorize this, because I'm assuming more of the women know about Simone's injuries. If they knew that Vanessa was sick then maybe she'd be cured, but it wouldn't be the first time there was a misdirect with the sacrificial healing (Shauna being saved instead of the baby living).
there was 2 deaths…
both could be “healed” ….. technically..
Honestly Van has cheated death twice I don't think she will be afforded with another chance and I think they want the whole wilderness thing to start to extend out past the plane-crash survivors and start affecting the people around them too (I think it already has started to influence Callie) so I think that could explain why Simone gets cured over Vanessa.
As someone who more believes in the 'Wilderness' not being real and just something the girls got attached to as a way of coping along with the more 'supernatural' things happening just being delusion and hallucination brought on by both starvation and trauma. I think Van's cancer suddenly being cured is much less likely to happen over Simone being able to recover from her injuries.
Sinone, as in Lattie?
One thing that I don't think gets talked about enough among YJ fans is that there are still 3 unnamed and - as yet - barely seen girls in the wilderness. At the beginning of S1E3, there are 18 of them standing in a circle as they talk and say prayers after burying the dead. Since Coach isn't one of them, that makes 19 crash survivors. 4 of them have died since then, so there are now 15, but only 12 of them have been named characters with speaking roles. This is confirmed in S2E8, when there is a shot of them - again - standing in a circle, this time as they draw the cards. There are 14 of them in this scene. Since neither Lottie or Coach are there, that brings the number to 16. After losing Javi a few minutes later, we are now at 15. The 12 named characters are Shauna, Nat, Taissa, Misty, Van, Lottie, Travis, Coach, Mari, Akila, Gen, and Melissa. So that tells us that S3 will give us 3 new characters, just like S2E1 gave us Gen, Crystal and Melissa. Just throwing this out there since, as I said, no one seems to be talking about it.
yeah i vaguely remember some background characters that survived the crash but were never named or important characters so that might be an interesting factor of season 3
that also opens a possibility of mari not being the pit girl
@@Julie10449 Yup. I agree. Pit Girl could be one of these girls and maybe mean nasty Mari is the - possible - eighth survivor, and is out there plotting something. Maybe we'll have an adult Mari in season 3.
Can someone please explain where is JV in season 2 or did I miss something???
@@nugrahadwianggoro JV?
She wasn’t stacking the deck she was biding time bc she still thought the folks were coming to get Lottie
I wonder where Akila, Gen and the new three girls they "introduced" in the selection round in ep8 were when the cabin was burning...they definitly aren't in the group final scene, when all the "mains" were watching the cabin burning down
but, with all the production mistakes this show has, it really doesnt surprise me...
Didn't we see some of them exit the burning house?
All the girls where there at the end, leaving the burning cabin together. What production mistakes have there been in this show?
@@alexp601 watch the scene again, they're not...about the production, it's something about the continuity/pacing/timing of some scenes, dont you notice them?
@@penbunk Yeah I definitely noticed pacing and profession was off this season, but from more of a story/screenplay perspective rather than editing/filming. It wasn’t as solid as the first season overall.
Just watched the finale it was a bit of a bumpy ride, really really love the part Natalie became the queen. I was rooting for her not to die and hatred when she died in present time. I would have liked to know about other mysteries present in the group.
Shauna wanted to keep shuffling because she was trying to buy time. She thought mental health professionals were on the way. I think that's all that means.
I have a theory that the wilderness won't let Natalie die and she'll come back changed and mirror the way she was as the leader back in the 90's. It's a long shot (plus wishful thinking because I love her character) but it could happen because this show is crazy
Shauna wasn't shuffling to stack the deck! She was wasting time bc she thought the medics were coming to get Lottie!
Until Van and Tia tell them they weren't coming. Pay attention man.
The scene with wearing white in the vision was a glimpse of Nat as the antler queen. Seriously do you even watch the show?
Shauna is only jealous bc she doesn't feel appreciated. If you watch the words she says "with all I do to feed them".
She has the most difficult role in the group loiie the shaman Misty the healer Natalie the hunter and Shauna as butcher and now executioner. Did you see how she didn't want to kill Natalie. And she completely broke having to cut up Javi. She liked Javi, she was the only one who talked to him and gave him writing supplies. And she's the one who saved him at Doomscoming. He made her the wolf.
Look at her face. She was completely broken. That's why she's upset. She's upset bc she does the worst job so NO ONE ELSE HAS TO! She doesn't feel appreciated. No one ever says thank you to her. Mari bitches if she takes too long. She wants to be appreciated for her role in the group. Do you think Mari or the new ones could do that? Hell no all Mari does is "stir the pot", literally and figuratively.
Idk why I frustrate myself on your channel. You constantly get things wrong. But I love the show so I watch. Just try to pay better attention next season. Please.
Shauna definitely has the worst job, I don't think they realize how it's affecting her, and she's frustrated cause all they care about is eating, which is understandable, but she's constantly having to hack up animals and now a human (like you said, a human she actually really liked) I can't even imagine
girl calm down, it’s a tv show
Love all your theories as always! I can’t wait to watch the season 3 predictions video you’ll drop. I do tho think it is more supernatural especially with Lottie’s dreams she has (she pretty much sees the future). And then my brain also goes back to those birds all hitting the house and dying rapidly. There’s even more points to make but I’ll leave it at that :)
I have to say im really hoping there really is a supernatural aspect and its not all trauma and in their heads.
the trauma/all-in-their-heads horror trope is played out and pisses off most viewers in the end. i really hope they dont do this. That said, I do think there is enough evidence of supernatural forces at play
It is so eerie to see Sophie thatcher sounds like Juliette Lewis
She's an amazing actress.
I do think that, in the end, the characters (at least, whichever ones are still alive at that point) are going to come to the realization that there never was any "it", any outside source influencing them at all. It was all their own psychological issues, and their own decisions that directed everything. And I expect that will be a very difficult, traumatic realization for them to face, given some of the terrible things they have done.
then bam - frailty ending! tragic
The one thing I noticed about Walter was his music choice in episode 8, from Sweeney Todd and Phantom of the opera. Given that both have protagonists that are morally grey at best/villains at worst who are trying to protect people they love at any length, including murder, and trying to get revenge for their mistreatment, plus the “Sherlock to my Moriarty” line, I had no doubt that Walter was more than a “citizen detective”.
when they showed Lottie with all of the rest of the survivors at the beginning of the season, they purposely hid some of the survivor's faces. Could this be a hint that there are more survivors to be revealed?
All I know is I had goosebumps all over when Street spirt dropped. Just chills all over. They do a phenomenal job with the soundtracks for sure.
I think her daughter is going to now be affected by the wilderness stuff too. She was in essence, a part of that last ritual. Same with Lisa. She is going to take Natalie's place.
I couldn’t tell what was going on with hunting shauna. At first I thought when van said we should deal with this ourselves they were planning to take out Lottie instead of having her locked up (which made so sense anyway…she wasn’t stalking them she was just crazy so why the hospital wasn’t the right place for her I don’t know). And other than tai and van everybody else expected the medics to come but then yeah they all looked like they were legit hunting shauna and would have let Lottie stab her…?
i thought the way they had to keep drawing cards and it flashed between present day and the past was that the longer they drew the cards for the longer their instincts kicked in, it was a ritual they were all used to so maybe it was a trigger, they literally switched back to animals and also theres the whole underlying thing of them missing the hunt too
Coach is foul for that arson.
I was hoping Natalie would see Travis in the airplane.
I can't be the only one getting major LOST vibes here. In the good and bad ways.
Natalie/Juliette was fave of my older cast I am so mad right now!!! what a dumb senseless way to kill her off!
Not sure if other people have picked this up. But I believe 'the wilderness' is heavily based on the wendigo, which is a supernatural entity/monster that causes people to commit acts of cannibalism (and is usually depicted as having antlers), but also has a psychological disorder named after it (wendigo psychosis) the symptoms of which include the desire to eat human flesh and the fear of becoming a cannibal.
So I think this helps define the themes of the show in that there are supernatural elements to it but it could just as easily be interpreted as psychological strain.
So it's not necessarily one or the other, it's both, it's the wendigo 😁
Next season should be amazing now that we are done with that murder hopefully. Season 3 should be more gruesome from the past to the current timeline
Every time I see young Shauna I see ricky lake and I can't unsee it...
I liked how the suit Nat is wearing on the plane is near identical to the one Kim wears in the breeders 93 hit Cannonball'
Probably just a coincidence though
God I am so glad I watched this. I completely forgot Van had cancer so I was so lost as to why her character would just change like that
ngl stan coach ben enterin his joker era against everyone lmao
He and Walter legit the only likable ones. I liked Nat but the second to last episode changed my mind
What’s interesting is how they revert back to their young personalities. Most of us do this when we get together with our group of high school friends - our personalities shift to the way we were back then with the group.
" it's no supernatural forces "
That teddy bear legit caught on fire from NOTHING episode 1 I think.
@Ms. McKay bra the bear was literally JUST sitting there. Go look back at it lol it's no excuse. Please take a look back some time today.. I said same thing til u go back and replay
@@DelanaMcKay you have horrible reading comprehension. They were talking about the teddy bear... IT caught fire, not anything else. Was the "faulty wiring" inside the bear lmao
@@DelanaMcKay you responded to their response about the teddy bear with stuff about the unrelated real bear. they never brought that up.
@@DelanaMcKay dont see a reason. just pointing out you have bad reading comprehension
@@loz9324😂😂😂 Yeaaa I definitely not talking about any real bear..
I'm saying they said " It's no super natural forces" but the teddy bear on the plane caught fire out of thin air.
Hmmm ... will Jay, trying to dig up more information that can burn the yellowjackets, find Ben, and then Ben will be a sort of antagonist in S3? I am firmly sticking to Ben surviving, because I swear there was a scene or two that showed somebody (solo) walking across a snow caped mountaintop .... plus the odds of him surviving now are I think way higher than him dying, although if he burned the cabin down he might have lowered his chances of survival
I think Ben is alive in present day too. I wouldn't be surprised if he burned down the cabin to kill the girls who were going crazy and could potentially end up trying to kill him.
@@alexp601 I think he prob did burn it down, especially considering they were barricaded in but I have a hard time reconciling his character doing that after he was so morally disgusted with them eating Jackie and killing Javi. Doesn’t really add up. As far as him surviving I think there’s a pretty slim chance but you never know.
I bet they are going to find him and end up eating him
Walter is my fav and especially with misty together and I thought he was like that since we met him and even without clues and I knew that he would save the day and I can't wait to see more of them together but especially him
Lame ending in the present timeline; Rushed and very Contrived; from all the characters converging at the same location without a good reason, to the childish way the cops situation was "resolved", including Nat setting up what would be her own death with Lisa and Van cancelling the emergency call both without a good reason. Bad writing and execution, maybe in a 10-episode season it could've been better.
This show is so much like Lost. Science vs faith. Dr. Jack vs John Locke. Also, just like Lost, there are probably some “others” that burned the cabin.
@Ms. McKay Like I said, mental illness vs. supernatural
I've only watched each episode once, but I believe the supernatural aspect is in their heads. This show feels like a 4 season show.
I’m not mad at the season final cause I didn’t know what to expect but holy shit ….
I don't think it is supernatural occurrences. They have always emphasized the characters have mental issues even before the plane crash- Lottie with schizophrenia, Tai imagining an eyeless man, Misty being...Misty and Natalie being traumatized. Shauna hasn't been shown to hallucinate and states in this episode that she is NOT on board with any It. We don't know Van's backstory and none of the auxiliary characters are shown to experience anything (they may go along with Lottie but that doesn't mean they feel anything). Even with Javi, we don't know if something visited him or he imagined things as a boy alone in the woods.
To me, the lack of confirmation of anything supernatural IS evidence that the writers are just toying with it, not that they mean it.
I definitely think Javi saw something out there due to how his face was more traumatized than before and not talking for a while he was traumatized
The first thing I thought when the cabin took fire is that they will start living in Javi's cave spot
Only Ben knows where it is though.
@DelanaMcKay oooo that is dark, but I LOVE IT
@@DelanaMcKay They cannot get rescued right away. They stayed in the wilderness for 19months and up until now they have only been one autumn and half a winter.
I'm going to miss juliet Lewis n the character
We now know what Walter ment when he said he was a Moriarty looking for his Sherlock. He wanted someone with a mind compatible to his. I wonder now if he planned the accident to get a payout. And Javi never should have come back, like he was told. By whoever.
10:00 “but rather cut from the same cloth as misty” really recontextualizes the side by side shot of them in the B&B rooms.
That wasn't bad news at the end. Both great news. Support unions and five seasons.
Holy shit this season sucked. I’m not clamoring for season three because the writing here is becoming CW levels of bad. The first season was so sharp and this season was so sloppy with storylines I don’t even care about. I was feeling so underwhelmed throughout this season but was convinced the finale would blow me away and then… it flopped hard. What a disappointment this series has become.
I don't think they actually have a 5 season arc planned even tho they pretended to
I notice that some of the present day characters are mirror images of the characters when they were trapped in the wilderness
Callie-Jackie
Walter-Misty
Lisa-Natalie
Sammy-Taissa
Lost.
From.
If Yellowjackets is “Camp”, I’m appreciating the mystery.
I agree they should of taken the last 2 episodes to do this. Also so much to unpack didn't Nat hide a knife under her sleeve @ the last card draw ?? What's up with that
But I want/need to know if anyone finds out about Misty n the black box ...... ??
the first thing i though when i saw the smoke at the ending was about their rescue. just cause a fire big enough to get attention (they even had an airplane full of fuel to help with that)
The screenshot of Natalie wearing the white outfit is actually adult her inside the antler Queen outfit.
I'm not too swayed one way or the other with the "supernatural or science" but I will say, I don't think the teddy bear bursting into flames in the plane can be explained by science. Much of the other stuff, yes.
Why was Javi's brother more upset when he didn't know where he was, and even more so even he was found. Id be most upset about seeing my brother's body being sacrificed for dinner. .. weird how backwards his feelings are.
Thanks for a great season Jared! I appreciate all the breakdowns! :)
i think the fact that the whole Adam situation was fixed before nat died shows the wilderness isn't supernatural
Wendigo. I think they might blame the Wendigo. And the house burning as they pan out means the smoke from the house fire is how they get saved...love your show...
They’ve still got 9-10 months left in the wilderness at this point so I doubt that smoke signal gets them help
Is too early to get saved