The story of Deadpool and everything it took to finally get it made really proves that film studios are completely unware of what their audiences want from films.
Audiences wanted it but until the release of Deadpool there weren't many examples of successful R rated films especially superhero films in the box office but now with films like Logan, Deadpool and joker there is less studio fear of R rated superhero films failing so more and more are being made and released
@@thebluemorpho2962deadpool doesn’t have a small fan base his comics are some of the best that’s like saying Batman had a small fan base before the first film
Considering how obnoxiously woke Deadpool 2 turned out, I always wondered which guy was in the "wrong" between Ryan Reynolds and Tim Miller, and who chose to make Deadpool 2 so awful and filled with political messages and "inclusivity" lines. I always assumed Reynolds was the one fighting to keep the movie comic accurate and to please the fans, but I guess I was wrong this whole time. Reynolds is the reason Deadpool 2 sucked so much and is so forgettable.
I always was of the opinion of enjoying the sequel more just because it gets to be more insane, though at the cost of throwing away all that steady development of his love life, which I thought was a mistake.
it's not as good as the first but imo it's more faithful to deadpool as a character, the batshit constant humor and deaths used as gags, are incredibly deadpool
It has some better things than first like more warm color moments and better looking costumes, especially DP katanas. While at the same time formula is TOO boring for me, with constant quips that never let any serious moment to *have* even a chance to be interesting at all. But the fact that both movies exist is alone a win on its own because before that "we" only had 300 as Any sort of R rated cape movie and "even" Watchmen had dodgy PG release. Though at the same time both Deadpool compared to Logan shows that people in general will rather go to silly comedy full of quips, so really as much as it's a win it's also not so different. I am more of a fan of straight forward serious superhero genre with mostly unintentional funny moments. Like how comics are.
Another fun fact: here in México,Captain America and Deadpool are dubbed by the same guy,Pepe Toño Macias. And even Ryan Reynolds and Pepe Macias met each other in a video.
@@juliocesarsajheSo basically a scene between Deadpool and Captain America would've potentially been one man talking to himself Dee Bradley Baker style?
Being a part of Blur makes PERFECT sense as to why the effects look so damn good and natural (aside from a couple scenes). Blur made a masterpiece of material with the Halo 2 Anniversary cutscenes and Halo Wars cutscenes
Tom Rothman (head of FOX at the time) specifically said to Ryan ‘if you don’t play (Origins) Deadpool, you’ll never play him again” effectively saying he’d be blacklisted
@@SingTingz31 Tom Rothman's a bit of a... special case. He's pretty much solely responsible for the public stereotype of the "hollywood executive". If you remember the 'leaked' test footage of DP1, he's who the "Hi Tom" bit was directed at because he personally blocked the film from getting made out of spite against the superhero genre. A small sampling of other things he did: cancel Firefly, reject a Ridley Scott/James Cameron Alien sequel in favour of Alien vs. Predator, greenlight and subsequently micromanage Dragonball Evolution, turn down Michael Bay's Transformers because he thought it couldn't be successful (quote, "no movie I make will have giant robots in it"), edit Die Hard 4 into a PG13, turn Galactus into a cloud, and everything you've ever heard euphemistically referred to as "production difficulties" related to FOX's X-Men series as a whole.
@@BulletsandblockbustersHey! If there’s anything you could find out about them, I would love to see a video covering the original version of Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame!
i REALLY wish Tim Miller and Ryan Reynolds saw eye to eye for DP2. The mix of Ryan's humor and Miller's understanding of stakes and drama would have been something special. Now, DP2 and DP3 ARE good, but its VERY indulgent with jokes, which is what Reynolds wanted, pretty much to it's own disservice.
@@travelerwatanabe same. The fat kid kinda ruined it for me. While it was cool seeing Juggernaut they messed with Firefist's backstory big-time. The character's from Oklahoma, not fucking New Zealand and he certainly wasn't obese. I feel like they got everything right with the characters for DP3. The story wasn't as good as DP1 or 2 but it was massively entertaining and about as comic-accurate as it gets.
Another fantastic video. The story behind the creation of DP1 and how Reynolds came to play the character is fascinating. We're extremely lucky the film even came out
People shouldn't blame Tim Miller for the failure of "Terminator: Dark Fate" He was the director, not the writer Killing that one character was James Cameron's idea
I would. The fans are idiots. John Connor is plot device and nothing more he has no character. He serves no purpose after being saved And hanging in the franchise around his neck has just made it dull, boring and repetitive.
I thought Reynolds was a Deadpool fan long before the reference to him was made, in fact, I thought that’s why the reference was made, because he was a fan.
@@njm361 I saw a quote that said the first time he read Deadpool was in 2004 when he got handed that stack, but then I just found a quote that said he read the series in the 90's, so I guess you're right, 🤷♂️
Deadpool is one of the most amazing comic book movies ever and I can't wait for the third film and Deadpool 2 is just as amazing (this is my opinion) perfect timing for this coming before Deadpool 3 looking forward to more
@@kdusel1991idk man, they both are so close. I have to say I prefer 2 because I like the conflict in it more, alongside the expanded cast of characters, and the humor was great, but I also really like the first one for the drama, the love story, and the overall cinematography tbh. Action in both movies were top notch to me, altho it feels like Deadpool 2 may have had almost too much action? Idk, I love both movies and can’t wait to see the third one
Fun Fact: Dolph Lundgren, Mel Gibson, Kurt Russell, Russell Crowe, Alec Baldwin, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Stephen Lang, Ron Perlman, Pierce Brosnan, David Harbour And Sam Worthington Were All Considered For The Role Of Cable Before Josh Brolin Was Cast
I feel like the inclusion of Fantastic Four would have overshadowed Deadpool. I think the reason why it sounds better bcuz it lacked woketardism such as race swapped domino n maybe a better Cable actor.
I've never been a big fan of ACTORS making big decisions about how movies are made due to their creative control, just remember what F&F became after the 7th film, all because of Vin Diesel. With that said, I feel that in this case Ryan has earned thag creative control since 2009, and even as a fan I haven't liked a couple of the things he's done about Deadpool I have to say that I loved Deadpool 1 and 2
really ? i feel like he was one of if not the best part of a pretty average sequel. i feel like it was a character he was born to play and he knocked it out of the park. curious to your thoughts.
yep size DOES matter here - now as for acting chops goes sure Brolin kills it HOWEVER it's a shame they didn't at least CGI him to be taller. It's like with the Ashoka show, sure it's cool to have Grand Admiral Thrawns original voice BUT come on...they DEFINITELY needed to have a taller (and more in shape) actor. Thank goodness Brolin was at least in shape lol.
@@TheFroneyZone I wanted Jason Isaacs to play Thrawn so badly, he's literally the PERFECT choice, his facial features even look like Thrown if Thrown was human, and he already has the deep British accent to match and he's like 6'2.
Interestingly enough, Blur Studios had history with Marvel Icons as they were responsible for creating commercials and cutscenes for video games such as the first Marvel Ultimate Alliance game and also the X-Men Origins Wolverine tie in game in an ironic twist of fate.
I wish we see Deadpool team up with the Fantastic Four so we can see them confront with Mystique being Vanessa or Copycat this whole time. Thing vs. Juggernaut would be super cool to see. The Skrulls would be dreadfully astonishing to look forward.😮
Fun fact: Randy Orton (Yes, the wrestler Randy Orton) revealed in a talk with Cody Rhodes in "What do You Wanna Talk About?" that he auditioned for Cable in DP2 but didn't make the cut
I thought his Goon film was finally happening at Netflix with Fincher producing. Nonetheless, that test footage embodies the comics so well, as long as Powell writes the script with Millers vision, would be gold…also Giamatti as Frankie is perfect!
Deadpool 2 was pretty great so I think it all worked out in the end. I think Reynolds is the most important part of that franchise. Both Deadpool I think our top five X-Men movies.
Its amazing to see that spoilers: Ryan including Tatum in Deadpool and Wolverine as Gambit and seemingly trying to get his dream role some screen time~
What Could Have Been: Channing Tatum's Gambit I was one of the very very very few Gambit fans who was looking forward to this. Mostly because I hated the misrepresentation of Gambit on the big screen. I was intrigued cause Channing Tatum is actually from the south and has family in New Orleans....he mightve been able to pull it off
As brutal as it would've been. Having The Thing survive out of the failed Fantastic 4 just to face Juggernaut would've been epic but still was happy that Collosus faced Juggernaut too.
I actually think Reynolds doesn’t like appearing physically smaller or inferior to any of his male co stars. Brolin has said in interviews he surprisingly showed him up with the amount of cutting he did and Reynolds and the team didn’t expect him to at all. Jackman is looking a lot leaner as Wolverine too.
@@zserbs2326 wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case, big stars like Reynolds are very particular about their image and how they appear. That’s one of the biggest reasons why vin diesel and Dwayne Johnson have that fight contract thing
I had yet to learn Dolph was considered. I had argued for years [decades] that he would be the best actor for the role. Most of the original script for DP2 sounds good, especially Domino's fleshing out, but I could do without the FF or Blacksmith. I assumed Mr. Sininster would have been the big baddy in the franchise.
Ok, the Fantastic 4 as members of the X-Force would have been hilarious 🤣. That interaction with Evans as Johnny Storm and Deadpool would have been hilarious
I appreciate the video but I feel that the author took Reynolds’ side, and perpetuated a rumor about a situation he wasn’t involved in. James Cameron is known as someone who is incredibly difficult to work with and for. Sometimes people are black balled because one powerful person doesn’t like them and Cameron has come out and said that the most controversial piece of the miller Terminator film was his idea.
5:00 Dude, you just brought back a memory I hadn't thought of in ages. I don't specifically recall hearing that it was Miller's decision, but the Kyle Cheadler rumor was definitely widespread. However, I can't say he was the only one rumored.
Could you do one on what Jumanji was originally going to look like, and what Jumanji 2 was going to look like originally before becoming the sequel we got.
It was explained to me by Mark Millar on a forum years back that Fox’s Marvel properties couldn’t legally crossover, so Fox at most could probably just do fast photos, or have the characters make vague references to the other films. I asked this, because the Wolverine story arc “Enemy of the State” had him brainwashed by Hydra and butting heads with Fantastic Four, Daredevil and Elektra. I saw this as a pitch for a Wolverine film. His answer was that even though Fox had all these properties, they couldn’t show up in eachother’s movies for two big reasons. First being, the different producers involved, and their own money tied to the IPs. These movies would need to go above and beyond expected box office takes for everyone to get a satisfactory return. The second being that the licenses from Marvel wouldn’t allow that, as they’re different contracts which were made with different terms, and were as isolated from eachother as they were from Alien or Predator.
It's truly frustrating to know that Miller actually wanted to do something with Vanessa in Deadpool 2, but instead she was killed before the opening credits. I was pissed when that happened. Then they brought her back and it seemed like a hilarious piss-take. Then came Deadpool & Wolverine. She's billed third! Hell yes! Let's see her use her powers! Nope. They've broken up. She's got less to do than when she was dead. For a movie series that started with such a surprisingly sweet love story, they sure were determined to have her gone as fast as possible. What a joke.
I wouldn't say arguments "foster" creativity, however haggling over details can often benefit a project and force bother parties to evaluate things more completely. I think Tim Miller and Renolds different ideas ultimately contributed to making a fantastic movie in the end, likely much better than if either one of them had complete creative authority.
Can you do a future video about Rocky? Stallone recently stated that in the first draft, Rocky throws the fight against Apollo in the hopes of just going back to his quiet life and be with Adrian
@@gabrielruiz219I disagree. Rocky came out in an interesting time. It won the Oscar even though it was up against movies like Network, All the President's Men, and Taxi Driver. These were three VERY heavy films. But, it seemed at the time, we needed a movie like Rocky within the cultural zeitgeist. We needed a movie about an underdog that did well, rather than another dour movie oozing cynicism. Having Rocky throw the fight would have altered the point of the movie and made it just as "deep" as the others that came out that year. We, and Hollywood, needed a film like Rocky at the time.
I really liked Deadpool 2 (although I fucking hate that atrocious song that plays during the final battle), but I really want to see what Miller’s version would have been. I doubt it would have been better, but it had some interesting ideas that I think would have been really good if Fox didn’t cut them from the script, especially seeing a comic accurate Thing. We all know the Thing would get his ass kicked without help though. You don’t fuck around with the Juggernaut.
@@bullymaguire3385 Ah, very good point. Kinda surprised I forgot to mention that. The version I’m talking about is The Super Duper Cut, which plays “Fight Dirty” during the second half of the Juggernaut fight. I don’t like the song and much prefer the song in the theatrical version, “Welcome To The Party”.
Here's an idea for future project: *"The Legend of KING KONG"* (1975/1976) Universal's very first attempt at a remake of RKO's 1933 classic film, which had to be cancelled due to a court battle between Universal, Paramount - who also planned to remake King Kong, with their film getting made in the end - RKO & The Cooper Estate. CAST: Peter Falk as Carl Denham Susan Blakely as Ann Darrow Robert Redford or Nick Nolte as Jack Driscoll Richard Harris or George C. Scott as Captain Englehorn Franco Columbu as King Kong Fay Wray as the Female Reporter - Music by Max Steiner (Universal had got permission from his widow for the use of the original score from the 1933 film) Stop Motion Animation/ Effects Advisor: James Danforth Costume Effects by Carl Mueller, Jr. Special Visual Effects by Albert Whitlock Screenplay by Bo Goldman (Based on the 1932 public domain novelization by Delos W. Lovelace) Produced by Joe Kerby & Hunt Stromberg, Jr. Directed by Joseph Sargent
This is a tough one to pick a side on because both have good points. I do agree that the director is the boss and he shouldn’t have to listen to the star on what should happen in his movie. But on the other hand, if you’re championing this project for over a decade, you deserve a say in what happens.
I don't think Deadpool 2 is as strong as the first but I also don't know whether this other version would have been as strong either. I really like the Fantastic Four concept art. For me it feels like giving them cinematic redemption like how the Deadpool film did to Wolverine Origins or Deadpool 2 did for Juggernaut. I'd love to see Tim Miller go the Gareth Edwards route and just do his own concept, like a 50 million dollar film or something. The dude knows how to use SFX efficiently.
Why wasn't DP2 as strong in your opinion? I've been seeing this said since 2018 (although I recall it being more split back then) but I was always curious as to why. I've been wanting to rewatch them to asses but until recently I preferred DP2 due to how more emotionally compelling it was.
I would've liked to have seen this version of Deadpool 2. The sequel that we got will never be a favorite of mine, but I do still like it. Tim Miller’s ideas sound very wild though! I would've certainly checked that movie out!
I think Deadpool 2 turned out pretty good. It was pre Disney purchase when I last saw it and I was dreaming of an new iteration of X-Men born out of that series with that look, feel and most importantly action. A David Leich X-Men movie would be pretty sweet.
A What Could Have Been video on Thor Ragnarok would be a fun one to do as there’s a few things that could’ve turned it into a different movie than what we got
This explains a lot. Renolds was given way too much freedom and he ended up making a joke of a movie that felt like a high budget sitcom. Miller's vision was better overall. The two worked well enough together It's sad they couldn't let things go and get the movie done, especially with Vanessa. I've been hoping for them to do a reveal of her powers and give her some more screen time.
It was comic accurate in casting & visual style/costuming only. Tim's never really given a flying shit for "respecting established lore/canon", so you'd almost surely have been disappointed either way in terms of writing.
Uh, it's possible it's just me but, it sounds like Tim Miller is the director who know what he's doing, and because of that having creative argument with people.
One of my childhood friends worked for blur, and he never told me who leaked the video. I think it was rumored that it was Tim. Ha. Never met Tim when I visited.
"they wanted to bring Chris Evans as the Human Torch"
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huh
“Channing Tatum as gambit”
Huh
Wesley Snipes as Blade
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huh
Timestamp?
Kurt Russell as Sonic the Hedgehog
Huh
@@gutzz1519 watch the video
The Colossus actor, at 6'4" really looks impressive in the outtakes.
Stefan Kapičić is 6'4", yes, but the on-set actor was Andre Tricoteux; he's 6'11".
notice he;s also standing on a box to raise his height.
I would've thought they had a guy standing on some tall shoes or something. He is HUGE
@@ghidorah15 Andre would have been the perfect Cable tbh, he even have that hilariously accurate comic book Cable square jawline
The story of Deadpool and everything it took to finally get it made really proves that film studios are completely unware of what their audiences want from films.
Audiences wanted it but until the release of Deadpool there weren't many examples of successful R rated films especially superhero films in the box office but now with films like Logan, Deadpool and joker there is less studio fear of R rated superhero films failing so more and more are being made and released
We need a R rated Batman movie
Don’t forget that there was a small fanbase for Deadpool at that time because of the game and comics and after the movie he blew up in fame
@@thebluemorpho2962deadpool doesn’t have a small fan base his comics are some of the best that’s like saying Batman had a small fan base before the first film
Considering how obnoxiously woke Deadpool 2 turned out, I always wondered which guy was in the "wrong" between Ryan Reynolds and Tim Miller, and who chose to make Deadpool 2 so awful and filled with political messages and "inclusivity" lines. I always assumed Reynolds was the one fighting to keep the movie comic accurate and to please the fans, but I guess I was wrong this whole time. Reynolds is the reason Deadpool 2 sucked so much and is so forgettable.
Reynolds’s dedication to this character is something to be admired, even if the sequel isn’t necessarily something I loved
Yeah it's not as good as the first. But I still enjoy it
I always was of the opinion of enjoying the sequel more just because it gets to be more insane, though at the cost of throwing away all that steady development of his love life, which I thought was a mistake.
it's not as good as the first but imo it's more faithful to deadpool as a character, the batshit constant humor and deaths used as gags, are incredibly deadpool
It has some better things than first like more warm color moments and better looking costumes, especially DP katanas.
While at the same time formula is TOO boring for me, with constant quips that never let any serious moment to *have* even a chance to be interesting at all.
But the fact that both movies exist is alone a win on its own because before that "we" only had 300 as Any sort of R rated cape movie and "even" Watchmen had dodgy PG release.
Though at the same time both Deadpool compared to Logan shows that people in general will rather go to silly comedy full of quips, so really as much as it's a win it's also not so different. I am more of a fan of straight forward serious superhero genre with mostly unintentional funny moments. Like how comics are.
It's still fun.
Funfact of the day
Captain America is Deadpools bestman when he gets married. So bringing up Chris seeing that in the movie would be hilarious.
Another fun fact: here in México,Captain America and Deadpool are dubbed by the same guy,Pepe Toño Macias. And even Ryan Reynolds and Pepe Macias met each other in a video.
@@juliocesarsajheSo basically a scene between Deadpool and Captain America would've potentially been one man talking to himself Dee Bradley Baker style?
@@SethbotStar Yes, bro.
This aged like fine wine
@@AIRWOLF-l6gChanning Tatum as Gambit too🔥
Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Ruby Rose, Mackenzie Davis And Sofia Boutella Were All Considered For The Role Of Domino Before Zazie Beetz Was Cast
Mary and Sofía would have been interesting
I’m glad she got it over them, the Sofia Boutella one would have really sucked
@@bigcock8900Sofia is an excellent actress and extremely sexy as the Mummy. She would have been great.
Why do you capitalize every word? What’s the point? You’re not the only one who does it.
@@battlinjoe2592I think some phones do that automatically or something
Being a part of Blur makes PERFECT sense as to why the effects look so damn good and natural (aside from a couple scenes). Blur made a masterpiece of material with the Halo 2 Anniversary cutscenes and Halo Wars cutscenes
I loved Blur's short animated films online years ago and was surprised to hear they did the leaked teaser for Deadpool
Tom Rothman (head of FOX at the time) specifically said to Ryan ‘if you don’t play (Origins) Deadpool, you’ll never play him again” effectively saying he’d be blacklisted
What is wrong with Hollywood execs
@@SingTingz31 Tom Rothman's a bit of a... special case. He's pretty much solely responsible for the public stereotype of the "hollywood executive". If you remember the 'leaked' test footage of DP1, he's who the "Hi Tom" bit was directed at because he personally blocked the film from getting made out of spite against the superhero genre. A small sampling of other things he did: cancel Firefly, reject a Ridley Scott/James Cameron Alien sequel in favour of Alien vs. Predator, greenlight and subsequently micromanage Dragonball Evolution, turn down Michael Bay's Transformers because he thought it couldn't be successful (quote, "no movie I make will have giant robots in it"), edit Die Hard 4 into a PG13, turn Galactus into a cloud, and everything you've ever heard euphemistically referred to as "production difficulties" related to FOX's X-Men series as a whole.
Original plans for Multiverse Of Madness (we definitely want that)
Definitely
Was supposed to release before No Way Home and with Scott Derickson still directing.
@@jayguero2123 and Wanda wasn't gonna be the villain but would set her up as a villain
@@jayguero2123 it was gonna be rated R too but Disney didn't want that I guess
We do not want that because MoM is already a good movie. Toxic MoM hater. Sheeesh.
Perfect timing in the lead up to the third movie
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Uh no duh?
Chris Evans returning as the Human Torch, yeah right, who would ever believe that would happen. 🤭
Why the spoilers?
@@abdullahomar8796 Whaaat, huh? What spoilers? Whatever are you insinuating?
youre weird
At least Tim Miller will always have Sonic the Hedgehog, lol.
Ha!
#TimMiller4TMNT
@@BulletsandblockbustersHey! If there’s anything you could find out about them, I would love to see a video covering the original version of Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame!
i thought jeff fowler directed sonic
@@GSTFCE Jeff Fowler did Sonic because of Tim Miller
They're friends
The fact that Chris Evans and Channing Tatum, were planning a movie prior is actually insane
Glad to see some Tim Miller's ideas got through.
Honestly, it's a shame that Reynolds & Miller couldn't agree. All of these idea's with F4 & Chris Evans & Juggernaut would've been SO GOOD.
i REALLY wish Tim Miller and Ryan Reynolds saw eye to eye for DP2. The mix of Ryan's humor and Miller's understanding of stakes and drama would have been something special. Now, DP2 and DP3 ARE good, but its VERY indulgent with jokes, which is what Reynolds wanted, pretty much to it's own disservice.
Personally, Deadpool 2 disappointed me, while I love Deadpool 3
I totally agree. I like the jokes but everything that happened in deadpool 3 felt like a set up to a joke. Wish a few more things were taken serious.
@@travelerwatanabeDeadpool 3 was unimpressive but Deadpool 2 was my favorite 😂
@@micahwright5901 to each his own
@@travelerwatanabe same. The fat kid kinda ruined it for me. While it was cool seeing Juggernaut they messed with Firefist's backstory big-time. The character's from Oklahoma, not fucking New Zealand and he certainly wasn't obese. I feel like they got everything right with the characters for DP3. The story wasn't as good as DP1 or 2 but it was massively entertaining and about as comic-accurate as it gets.
Another fantastic video. The story behind the creation of DP1 and how Reynolds came to play the character is fascinating. We're extremely lucky the film even came out
.... Say that again
People shouldn't blame Tim Miller for the failure of "Terminator: Dark Fate"
He was the director, not the writer
Killing that one character was James Cameron's idea
It was also not a bad idea..
@@mikeCarter-xo4ustell that to the fans
@@mikeCarter-xo4usyes it was
I would. The fans are idiots. John Connor is plot device and nothing more he has no character. He serves no purpose after being saved And hanging in the franchise around his neck has just made it dull, boring and repetitive.
@@mikeCarter-xo4us Things would've been better if John had settled down with a family of his own
And maybe having Carl living with them
Tim Miller should direct the next live-action TMNT movie, THE LAST RONIN
He understands CGI like none other
Has anyone seen LOVE, DEATH and ROBOTS?
No is it worth it
Great choice dude
Say what you want with Terminator: Dark Fate, but the CGI was incredible. The opening’s deep fake on young John Connor looked really impressive.
@@brandonspain12345
#TimMiller4TMNT
I completely agree. Blur studios made some DAMN good material in the past.
7:17 well about this…
I thought Reynolds was a Deadpool fan long before the reference to him was made, in fact, I thought that’s why the reference was made, because he was a fan.
Nope, he wasn't a fan till he was handed that stack of DP comics
@@cable7152he was a fan since he was a teen
@@njm361 I saw a quote that said the first time he read Deadpool was in 2004 when he got handed that stack, but then I just found a quote that said he read the series in the 90's, so I guess you're right, 🤷♂️
Deadpool is one of the most amazing comic book movies ever and I can't wait for the third film and Deadpool 2 is just as amazing (this is my opinion) perfect timing for this coming before Deadpool 3 looking forward to more
Well my opinion is Deadpool 2 is better than the 1st one.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom their both great and Deadpool 2 is definitely the better
@@Hallowpool193 I like the first one better than 2. I think 2 does a bit too much and the jokes aren't nearly as funny
Good point I picked the second because of the jokes but honestly the first one is also amazing
@@kdusel1991idk man, they both are so close. I have to say I prefer 2 because I like the conflict in it more, alongside the expanded cast of characters, and the humor was great, but I also really like the first one for the drama, the love story, and the overall cinematography tbh. Action in both movies were top notch to me, altho it feels like Deadpool 2 may have had almost too much action? Idk, I love both movies and can’t wait to see the third one
Fun Fact: Dolph Lundgren, Mel Gibson, Kurt Russell, Russell Crowe, Alec Baldwin, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Stephen Lang, Ron Perlman, Pierce Brosnan, David Harbour And Sam Worthington Were All Considered For The Role Of Cable Before Josh Brolin Was Cast
Dolph, Mel, David and Stephen wwould have been good choices
Brad Pitt was also a candidate.
Most of those actors were too old. Cable is supposed to be a beast and is huge and some of those actors are hilariously too small like Stallone.
I wouldn't have watched it if Gibson was cast.
I would have loved a David Harbour version of Cable
Dont forget talk about these movies:
Guillermo Del Toro: Hellboy 3 and Paciifc Rim 2
Ridely Scott: I am Legend
Stan Ley Kubric: IA
Gump and Roger Rabbit sequels.
Also Guillermo Del Toro: The Hobbit!
Kubrics A.I. would be a good one!
My goddam friend made me see all three hobbit films in theaters. He’s no longer my friend.
NGL the miller version of DP2 sounded much better then what we got
It really does
I feel like the inclusion of Fantastic Four would have overshadowed Deadpool. I think the reason why it sounds better bcuz it lacked woketardism such as race swapped domino n maybe a better Cable actor.
@@MalcomMalediction I liked black Domino...
It sounds better until you realize it would have been a much bigger cast .and would have made it hard to keep things interesting
Not really
I've never been a big fan of ACTORS making big decisions about how movies are made due to their creative control, just remember what F&F became after the 7th film, all because of Vin Diesel. With that said, I feel that in this case Ryan has earned thag creative control since 2009, and even as a fan I haven't liked a couple of the things he's done about Deadpool I have to say that I loved Deadpool 1 and 2
Damn I think I like at least half of Tim Millers ideas better.
I think Reynolds made the wrong call on Cable, even though I love Brolin
really ? i feel like he was one of if not the best part of a pretty average sequel. i feel like it was a character he was born to play and he knocked it out of the park. curious to your thoughts.
@@DR.slzzzp I'd prefer Gibson in that role. He's genuinely crazy and broken
Brolin felt perfect to me on this decision but it’s nice to get others opinions and perspectives, kinda like a “what if” alternate universe
yep size DOES matter here - now as for acting chops goes sure Brolin kills it HOWEVER it's a shame they didn't at least CGI him to be taller. It's like with the Ashoka show, sure it's cool to have Grand Admiral Thrawns original voice BUT come on...they DEFINITELY needed to have a taller (and more in shape) actor. Thank goodness Brolin was at least in shape lol.
@@TheFroneyZone I wanted Jason Isaacs to play Thrawn so badly, he's literally the PERFECT choice, his facial features even look like Thrown if Thrown was human, and he already has the deep British accent to match and he's like 6'2.
Deadpool and Fantastic Four would have been funny.
Deadpool is the mess up that everyone loves no matter what happens
Interestingly enough, Blur Studios had history with Marvel Icons as they were responsible for creating commercials and cutscenes for video games such as the first Marvel Ultimate Alliance game and also the X-Men Origins Wolverine tie in game in an ironic twist of fate.
I wish we see Deadpool team up with the Fantastic Four so we can see them confront with Mystique being Vanessa or Copycat this whole time. Thing vs. Juggernaut would be super cool to see. The Skrulls would be dreadfully astonishing to look forward.😮
another banger, had to turn on notifications because i didn't see your last two videos, more to binge now though lol
Thanks and enjoy!
Fun fact: Randy Orton (Yes, the wrestler Randy Orton) revealed in a talk with Cody Rhodes in "What do You Wanna Talk About?" that he auditioned for Cable in DP2 but didn't make the cut
I think for the most part I would have preferred Miller's version, save for the fantastic four stuff. Deadpool 2 was good, but disappointing for me.
Would still love to see Millers take on the Goon more than anything else
I thought his Goon film was finally happening at Netflix with Fincher producing. Nonetheless, that test footage embodies the comics so well, as long as Powell writes the script with Millers vision, would be gold…also Giamatti as Frankie is perfect!
@@simplymodern12 If this is happening I had not heard. That would be great if he was finally able to get it movin though
The Thing vs Juggernaut would jave been fucking sick
Johny Storm is back baby
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Deadpool 2 was pretty great so I think it all worked out in the end. I think Reynolds is the most important part of that franchise. Both Deadpool I think our top five X-Men movies.
Im glad we got the deadpool 2 that we did. Love that movie
Its amazing to see that spoilers:
Ryan including Tatum in Deadpool and Wolverine as Gambit and seemingly trying to get his dream role some screen time~
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What Could Have Been: Channing Tatum's Gambit
I was one of the very very very few Gambit fans who was looking forward to this.
Mostly because I hated the misrepresentation of Gambit on the big screen.
I was intrigued cause Channing Tatum is actually from the south and has family in New Orleans....he mightve been able to pull it off
*spoilers?*
He did a pretty decent in Deadpool and Wolverine.
@@StevenNotRichards Premonition lol. I loved the scenes he was in. The movie couldve ended there for me.
As brutal as it would've been. Having The Thing survive out of the failed Fantastic 4 just to face Juggernaut would've been epic but still was happy that Collosus faced Juggernaut too.
What I've never understood is why they didn't just use CGI to make Cable bigger?
I actually think Reynolds doesn’t like appearing physically smaller or inferior to any of his male co stars. Brolin has said in interviews he surprisingly showed him up with the amount of cutting he did and Reynolds and the team didn’t expect him to at all. Jackman is looking a lot leaner as Wolverine too.
@@zserbs2326 wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case, big stars like Reynolds are very particular about their image and how they appear. That’s one of the biggest reasons why vin diesel and Dwayne Johnson have that fight contract thing
@@zserbs2326Jackman isn’t looking a lot leaner??
@@zserbs2326If that were the case, he'd use x-men Colossus instead of using comic accurate one.
Wish we would’ve gotten this
I had yet to learn Dolph was considered. I had argued for years [decades] that he would be the best actor for the role. Most of the original script for DP2 sounds good, especially Domino's fleshing out, but I could do without the FF or Blacksmith. I assumed Mr. Sininster would have been the big baddy in the franchise.
Ok, the Fantastic 4 as members of the X-Force would have been hilarious 🤣. That interaction with Evans as Johnny Storm and Deadpool would have been hilarious
😂😂😂😂
... This aged well.
Watching this after Deadpool 3 has opened my eyes!
I appreciate the video but I feel that the author took Reynolds’ side, and perpetuated a rumor about a situation he wasn’t involved in. James Cameron is known as someone who is incredibly difficult to work with and for. Sometimes people are black balled because one powerful person doesn’t like them and Cameron has come out and said that the most controversial piece of the miller Terminator film was his idea.
Deadpool 2 turned out great, so I'm glad that David Leitch was chosen. It's wild that Tim Miller wanted to include the Fantastic Four.
I think going with Reynolds vision was the right choice, although of course we’re always going to wonder what if?
Human Torched appeared in Deadpool after all.
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5:00 Dude, you just brought back a memory I hadn't thought of in ages. I don't specifically recall hearing that it was Miller's decision, but the Kyle Cheadler rumor was definitely widespread. However, I can't say he was the only one rumored.
Could you do one on what Jumanji was originally going to look like, and what Jumanji 2 was going to look like originally before becoming the sequel we got.
The 2005 FF movie was really good and that version of the Thing was accurate
YEP
Michael Chiklis and Ioan Griffid will ALWAYS be The Thing and Mr Fantastic. They played the roles to perfection.
Blur Studios also did the cutscenes for the X-Men legends games and marvel ultimate alliance games
I would've loved to have seen tim millers Deadpool 2
Fantastic channel of content thank you for another great upload man.
Thank you!!!!
It was explained to me by Mark Millar on a forum years back that Fox’s Marvel properties couldn’t legally crossover, so Fox at most could probably just do fast photos, or have the characters make vague references to the other films.
I asked this, because the Wolverine story arc “Enemy of the State” had him brainwashed by Hydra and butting heads with Fantastic Four, Daredevil and Elektra.
I saw this as a pitch for a Wolverine film.
His answer was that even though Fox had all these properties, they couldn’t show up in eachother’s movies for two big reasons.
First being, the different producers involved, and their own money tied to the IPs. These movies would need to go above and beyond expected box office takes for everyone to get a satisfactory return.
The second being that the licenses from Marvel wouldn’t allow that, as they’re different contracts which were made with different terms, and were as isolated from eachother as they were from Alien or Predator.
We should get a Sinister reveal after 21 years & 7 out of 16 X-Franchise movies teasing him since 2003’s X2.
3:17 omg blink
It's truly frustrating to know that Miller actually wanted to do something with Vanessa in Deadpool 2, but instead she was killed before the opening credits. I was pissed when that happened. Then they brought her back and it seemed like a hilarious piss-take. Then came Deadpool & Wolverine. She's billed third! Hell yes! Let's see her use her powers! Nope. They've broken up. She's got less to do than when she was dead.
For a movie series that started with such a surprisingly sweet love story, they sure were determined to have her gone as fast as possible. What a joke.
I wouldn't say arguments "foster" creativity, however haggling over details can often benefit a project and force bother parties to evaluate things more completely. I think Tim Miller and Renolds different ideas ultimately contributed to making a fantastic movie in the end, likely much better than if either one of them had complete creative authority.
Can you do a future video about Rocky? Stallone recently stated that in the first draft, Rocky throws the fight against Apollo in the hopes of just going back to his quiet life and be with Adrian
Eventually. Rocky is one of my favs!
Don't gotta do a whole video for something that can be said in a short comment as yours
@@gabrielruiz219I disagree. Rocky came out in an interesting time. It won the Oscar even though it was up against movies like Network, All the President's Men, and Taxi Driver. These were three VERY heavy films.
But, it seemed at the time, we needed a movie like Rocky within the cultural zeitgeist. We needed a movie about an underdog that did well, rather than another dour movie oozing cynicism.
Having Rocky throw the fight would have altered the point of the movie and made it just as "deep" as the others that came out that year.
We, and Hollywood, needed a film like Rocky at the time.
I really liked Deadpool 2 (although I fucking hate that atrocious song that plays during the final battle), but I really want to see what Miller’s version would have been. I doubt it would have been better, but it had some interesting ideas that I think would have been really good if Fox didn’t cut them from the script, especially seeing a comic accurate Thing. We all know the Thing would get his ass kicked without help though. You don’t fuck around with the Juggernaut.
Yeah you have a point. It was cool when they were running but sucked just playing through the whole battle.
Which version of the movie cuz there’s different music depending on the version you’re watching
@@bullymaguire3385 Ah, very good point. Kinda surprised I forgot to mention that. The version I’m talking about is The Super Duper Cut, which plays “Fight Dirty” during the second half of the Juggernaut fight. I don’t like the song and much prefer the song in the theatrical version, “Welcome To The Party”.
@@What.99 Yeah i agree the theatrical music is more hype
Here's an idea for future project:
*"The Legend of KING KONG"*
(1975/1976)
Universal's very first attempt at a
remake of RKO's 1933 classic film,
which had to be cancelled due to
a court battle between Universal,
Paramount - who also planned to
remake King Kong, with their film
getting made in the end - RKO & The Cooper Estate.
CAST:
Peter Falk as Carl Denham
Susan Blakely as Ann Darrow
Robert Redford or Nick Nolte
as Jack Driscoll
Richard Harris or George C. Scott
as Captain Englehorn
Franco Columbu as King Kong
Fay Wray as the Female Reporter
-
Music by Max Steiner
(Universal had got permission from his widow for the use of the original score from the 1933 film)
Stop Motion Animation/
Effects Advisor: James Danforth
Costume Effects by Carl Mueller, Jr.
Special Visual Effects by
Albert Whitlock
Screenplay by Bo Goldman
(Based on the 1932
public domain novelization
by Delos W. Lovelace)
Produced by
Joe Kerby & Hunt Stromberg, Jr.
Directed by Joseph Sargent
You Forgot Neal H. Moritz
Honestly the first movie is way better than the sequel in my opinion.
You know it would be really cool if you were able to look up and find out? The long lost sequel to Buckaroo Banzai against the world crime League
This is a tough one to pick a side on because both have good points. I do agree that the director is the boss and he shouldn’t have to listen to the star on what should happen in his movie. But on the other hand, if you’re championing this project for over a decade, you deserve a say in what happens.
rule number #1: never believe what rob liefeld says about deadpool.
This sounds crazy! Super excited deadpool and wolverine!!
I don't think Deadpool 2 is as strong as the first but I also don't know whether this other version would have been as strong either. I really like the Fantastic Four concept art. For me it feels like giving them cinematic redemption like how the Deadpool film did to Wolverine Origins or Deadpool 2 did for Juggernaut. I'd love to see Tim Miller go the Gareth Edwards route and just do his own concept, like a 50 million dollar film or something. The dude knows how to use SFX efficiently.
Why wasn't DP2 as strong in your opinion? I've been seeing this said since 2018 (although I recall it being more split back then) but I was always curious as to why. I've been wanting to rewatch them to asses but until recently I preferred DP2 due to how more emotionally compelling it was.
This kind of explains why I didn't like the second film as much.
It's amazing how many times Ryan Reynolds had to fail just to get Deadpool made. It really is a true testament to never give up.
This is video is basically a spoiler for Deadpool and the Wolverine
I appreciate the Tim Miller approach, not many movies nowadays are comic-accurate.
These executives don't know what they are doing. We nearly lost out on Deadpool movies due to their idiocy.
I would've liked to have seen this version of Deadpool 2. The sequel that we got will never be a favorite of mine, but I do still like it. Tim Miller’s ideas sound very wild though! I would've certainly checked that movie out!
Wouldn't mind Gibson or D.Lundgren as Cable but they did NOT go wrong with the always great J.Brolin.
Channing Tatum Gambit and Chris Evans Human Torch...hmmm....
"Like that's ever gonna happen"
{Read in Shrek's voice}
I think Deadpool 2 turned out pretty good. It was pre Disney purchase when I last saw it and I was dreaming of an new iteration of X-Men born out of that series with that look, feel and most importantly action. A David Leich X-Men movie would be pretty sweet.
A What Could Have Been video on Thor Ragnarok would be a fun one to do as there’s a few things that could’ve turned it into a different movie than what we got
What could have been: The Adventures of Tintin sequels.
This explains a lot. Renolds was given way too much freedom and he ended up making a joke of a movie that felt like a high budget sitcom. Miller's vision was better overall. The two worked well enough together It's sad they couldn't let things go and get the movie done, especially with Vanessa. I've been hoping for them to do a reveal of her powers and give her some more screen time.
i like zazie beetz as domino
i want to talk to the producers who stole an accurate Domino from us.
I would have much perfered Vanessa becoming Copycat in Deadpool 2
preferred*
It’s so weird that Jean or storm isn’t in the cast photo but Psylocke, Apocalypse and Quicksilver are 8:04
I absolutely loved this version of Domino and I'm sad she won't be in DP3
Eh I didn't really like her character that much so I'm kinda glad she was cut
The one character everyone wanted back
Why?
Now i understand why Deadpool 2 despite many people like it
Still have a ton of people who hate the movie itself
It came full circle chris Evans was in dp3
Ironically, the Fantastic Four have be leaked to be in Deadpool & Wolverine. So, I guess in a way, Tim Miller did get his wish after all.
Would've preferred this a million times over what we got. Really wanted comic accurate Cable & Domino...
It was comic accurate in casting & visual style/costuming only. Tim's never really given a flying shit for "respecting established lore/canon", so you'd almost surely have been disappointed either way in terms of writing.
It was always meant for chris to come back as Johnny lol
Uh, it's possible it's just me but, it sounds like Tim Miller is the director who know what he's doing, and because of that having creative argument with people.
Excellent video as always say man
I only want to see Tim Miller's version to see if it's as good as Deadpool 1 or better.
So we would've had a better Domino. I swear she was miscasted in deadpool 2
she was race swapped for the woketards, but hey at least she was likeable
One of my childhood friends worked for blur, and he never told me who leaked the video. I think it was rumored that it was Tim. Ha. Never met Tim when I visited.