Something important to note here: this is going to be a VERY different format from National Dex BH. This is due to lacking several key moves, such as Spectral Thief, Topsy-Turvy, Thousand Arrows, Anchor Shot, and more. It’ll have its own identity and can coexist with NDBH, not be a rival to it. Also, ladder lost its favorite mon, L to Palafin-H.
One of the most prominent missing moves is Core Enforcer, which singlehandedly kept Poison Heal in check. Additionally, NDBH has Heal Order which dodged the SV recovery nerf due to being dexited. Also Z-Crystals are a thing that can have some fun niche uses. Crazy how just a few differences result in wildly different metagames.
I don't know if I sound stupid but, according to bulbapedia, Spectral Thief is in the code for SV, and can be called by metronome, so I assume you'd be able to hack it onto a pokemon?
I feel hackmons is now TRULY LIVING TO ITS NAME. Using pokémon you're not supposed to is THE PUREST definition of a shark/hackmon. We're literally hacking half of the mons cutted back into the game, giving the tier an even bigger meaning.
Poor Xerneas. Aside from that, one incredibly notable thing is how Eternamax is one of the formes that revert back to its base once present. You cannot use Eternatus-Eternamax by hacking unlike in Gen 8.
@@Garde_Mystik without Assist, Revival Blessing wouldn’t be nearly AS bad. It still only has 1 PP, and using Revival Blessing doesn’t restore a target’s PP. It would be annoying, but it would be nothing compared to ReviveCats
@@borby4584 Revival Blessing feels like one of the moves that Assist would blacklist. The problem is that it's hard to justify "feels like" for smogon, you gotta either blacklist or whitelist all the new moves, and if you blacklist moves then you get a lot of strong new attacking moves that can be used on the old divecats comp without compromising the overall power much, which still buffs the strategy.
@@TheLaXandro I thought there was coding that said that RB COULD be called by Assist? But yeah, that move needs an Errata to make it so it can’t be. If you brought that to a group of friendly battles, literally everyone would hate you, and they’d definitely say “hey, no ReviveCats.”
Fun fact in gen 3 you definitely can change the stats without “romhacking” the game, if anyone plays gen 3 hackmons. Battle stats are stored separately and calculated separately from IVs, so you can bring Pokémon into battle with stats of 65535 lol. In all 6 stats.
Does it stay that way when you start a local battle? They could only transfer EVs/IVs for battle and recalculate the stats there. What about boxing/unboxing?
@@pmnt_ the game has I special logic for local battles, so it doesn’t recalculate. Boxes do it because they don’t store the entire Pokémon in a box, but as long as it’s in your party. It’s fine iirc.
This is actually really cool! With this new discovery you can make national dex matches locally to use with friends. What’s scary is that now you can actually use Tera Electric Air Balloon Shendinja in SV…
I don’t know if Wonder Guard exists in SV via hacking, but would you not be better off running tera Electric Air Balloon Wonder Guard Mega Rayquaza if Wonder Guard can be hacked in? Or if it doesn’t, Shedinja wouldn’t have Wonder Guard either. Unhittable Shedinja sounds scary by non-hacked standards, but if you can just do the same setup on something that’ll live through spikes/stealth rock/burn/poison/sandstorm/whatever else and also have super high offensive stats, why wouldn’t you? Sky’s the limit when you’re hacking
The first couple times itd have been funny. But i suspect trying to ladder or whatever, by the four-thousandth match you'd get fed up of the guessing game.
@@saltlakeatrocity9771 Yeah it's basically "what if every dexit pokemon was also a better zororark". Educated guessing can only take you so far, so it would've been an unfair advantage-a rather ironic feat for hackedmons.
I think this could be very interesting for another reason: once support for Gen IX ends someday, and we don’t need to worry about keeping the games clean to interact with ranked online matches, this means we can build our own Natdex format INSIDE Gen IX. The lack of animations is something that would require hacking the game to fix, but the fact these Pokémon are already in the game and working properly is very, VERY nice
I've never cared for BH but these are some very intriguing changes, particularly with some powerful meta threats being disarmed by this form change adjustment.
I wonder if this is either them planning to make every Pokemon available in SV at some point, or the result of a poor copy and paste job. I'm hoping for the former, but also thinking it's the latter.
I'd say more likely that they just built the list to be complete so that it could be easily reused for future games and to make testing and implementing DLC Pokémon faster and easier.
It may have been placeholder data for *potential* pokemon during development, or for possible DLC or updates. Setting placeholder entries for removed pokemon makes sense under those circumstances, and stats and types are very basic, preexisting parts of the underlying system of Pokemon that wouldn't be difficult to change or copy over. Movesets, abilities, and the like are much more tailored for each species, so this seems like a good stopping point where data could easily be brought forward for future generations.
As fun as it'd be to have a metagame consisting of this weird fake pikachu bluffing game i can't help but agree that option 3 made the most sense, especially since it'd be a complete nightmare to code into Smogon for what is effectively a very niche metagame
The fact that this includes Ultra Necrozma, the Primals, and all Megas is crazy. All the Area Zero stuff made me think Mega Evolution was going to come back in the DLC. This isn’t definitive proof, it could just be a placeholder. But it does give me hope.
A prediction that I thought was truly insane was that they're prepping for the Gen 5 remakes with the Pokemon World Tournament. Since remakes are in the mega timeline, we could see an ingame version of Pokemon Showdown where all Pokemon, Z-Moves, Dynamax, Mega Evolution, and Terastalization are all allowed in some way shape or form.
You could theoretically mod the models in to make them function as the intended pokemon fully, just like with BDSP! HUGE for the modding community if true!!!
I think potion 3 sounds like the most fun option, it's true to the situation on cartridges whilst implementing a rule that makes it more fun. In theory you could have the reveal clause for just balanced hackmons and leave all the pikachus to run wild in the full format, but I'm not sure how that would impact players of that format and what they're looking for whilst playing it.
I agree, playing a format where you can never tell what your opponent is even using sounds AWFUL. It just turns into "ope i guessed wrong rip" the whole game. It's like what everyone was afraid of when zoroark got released, but actually real and on the most powerful pokemon ever put in the game.
It would be cool to have a metagame of the month where the hackmons appear exactly as in the games, and part of the mindgames is figuring out what that pikachu is, or if that chansey really is a chansey or not.
This is honestly a buck wild revelation lol. Do we know if this changed with the home update, or is it just that nobody thought to try actually hacking this stuff in until recently?
HOME Update added this stuff. Confirmed by datamines that happened as the update came out. This has been known about for a while, I really don't understand how Smogon didn't notice this for so long lol
@@SnoFitzroy Because Smogon isn't that much into contact with other segments of the community. That's why they though fishious rend wasn't a bite move, due to awful localization removing functionality.
@@SnoFitzroy You're right on this one. People already knew they were there from basically day 1, but it was "Not in the code" for admins for some reason.
I must say, I'm more interested in why the game is like this. Why do we have all of these Pokemon technically available? Wasn't the Dex-It a set-in-stone decision?
If I had to guess, they’re probably placeholders put in so that reimplementing old Pokemon can be easier. Trying to code in what something’s stats and abilities are is easy, but adding in the model and all its other features isn’t needed if it isn’t meant to be useable (if that makes sense).
most likely reason is just so they could more easily have the stats ready for when DLC brings new pokemon into the game, seeing as it probably wasn't decided what they'd add back in yet. There is also some distant chance that we're gonna build back up to a full roster on the various generations going forward, each game just being built on top of the last, but it remains to be seen.
I honestly remember this when I tried to emulate Scarlet on my laptop. I was able to hack in an Alolan Ninetales, but it appeared as a Pikachu. So useful to know it wasnt just me.
I learned about this while a small streamer I watch was doing an egglocke in SV and one other interesting thing about these pokemon is that they still have their data for evolutions. I sent in a weedle egg and it evolved to a kakuna at level 7, beedrill at level 10, just as it normally would. this doesnt have any impact on competitive but its still pretty interesting
The fact that there’s data for every Pokémon just floating around in the code is… strange. Especially when it wasn’t like that in the previous generation. A huge part of me really hopes that one day every Pokémon will be available in SV but the more realistic part of me thinks that this is just some kind of fluke, mistake, or weird coincidence. Still would be cool, though.
Seeing as we are talking about games that, through DLC, allowed formally dexited 'Mons back into the new regions, my guess is that these invisible Pokémon are there for future-proofing reasons.
nope, there's still the fact that there's no way to actually activate megas in-game. The mega pokémon themselves are in the code, but the functionality of megaevolving a pokémon isn't. Same for Z-moves
@joaquin5796 dexited abilities stayed within the games code like the pokemon. And yes some moves didn't make it, but you can hack in the pokemon without the moves yknow?
6:17 wait, I did not understand this part. If SV forces form changes to revert to the original (like palafin hero back to zero) are mega pokemon actually usable or not? It seems like from the footage shown, but do they get their stats reset upon battle?
While I don't love the reveal clause at least wish it was an actual reveal clause. The same way it will tell you the species name when there's a nickname they should have done that but keep the sprite Pikachu because it would be funny and accurate.
Man, Xerneas's case is so dumb, since it seems like a purely visual form. The Invisible Pokemon thing also seems more like just.... "Fakeachus"? "De-dexiting"? It'd be interesting to see how BH develops with these new headgame tactics available, though. Anyway, neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
@@CloverPillbug Yeah, I know, but the point is the Pokemon is less invisible -It's still identifiable, even with visual details, just not the model & animations- & more just a Pikachu is shown in its place.
I don't want to get my hopes up for a possible return of mega pokemon, but it is very interesting that their stat data is in the game and actually usable, unlike SwSh.
So let me get this straight: all of the data for every Pokémon is right there in the game, just without a character model, but we still have a Dexit problem?
Damn one video and my entire world has changed. I’m so glad you covered this because I would be so confused if I just played one day and ran into new Pokémon.
I figured people caught onto the fact that the stats were here a bit sooner than this. I hacked in my Togetic out of curiousity and ran into this. I did assume this was the case in gen 8 though, was unaware the stats used to be zeroed.
Personal opinion here: I think it would be funny if dexited mons on showdown have a pikachu sprite AND their traditional sprite. At least how I imagine it, I'm thinking of the Showdown substitute animation/sprite but with a pikachu. When substitute gets used, just overwrite the pikachu sprite. Obviously this has no weight to how the game plays but I think it would be pretty neat.
Wow, SV really is the reusable match of dumpster fire game releases if they cut more than half of the total Pokemon only to still have them in Hopefully modders can put the missing Pokemon back in, seeing as all the numbers are already in
I love these kind of discussions. "We found something that changes the rules" is relevant in all forms of competition. The same debate skills apply in a small community-driven scene as in a national one. Im thinking of Formula One, where the community decides on design restrictions, and engineers deliberately push against those restrictions, leading to innovation and improved rules.
That is great! My Pokebois are back! I think if someone makes a hack where it just brings back all the Pokemon models, that would be really great for this.
What I find interesting is the fact megas are included here. Like, obviously they existed in gen 8 with the code too, but there's a massive difference between being name dropped and actually having stats and usable forms. I highly doubt we'll be getting all the pokemon back, understandably, but this is way more then just a copy and paste over from S&S's code, so the fact they put in the work to code over usable megas when they haven't for things like Eternamax's eternal form is genuinely significant. Obviously don't get your hopes up, but maybe megas could return in some form...
would love if a rework of megas, gigantamax and synergy came to be with one or two (for charizard and mewtwo) universal item that changed the form of the pokemon on switch, with gigantamax becoming "mega" with their own stats (like in radical red). To make these gimmick less special and allow them to stay (even if we would lose some stategic depht)
Do the other fused pokémon exist within the code too? And if so is there the limit of only one fusion of necrozma/kyurem per team like there is with calyrex?
For Kyurem it's because the DNA Splicers can only store one Pokemon at a time, and Game Freak never bothered doing anything about that design oversight, but Necrozma can only use one form per team because of species clause
They probably just copy/paste the data of all Pokemon when deciding which ones to keep for the region/DLC and someone forgot to delete the rest because Gamefreak
In my opinion they never should have removed any Pokemon in the first place. They aren't even close to reaching the limits for the Pokemon list bit wise and the removals are arbitrary most of the time and don't make any sense.
So does this mean that we can somehow brute force cut pokemon back into the game? Not a hackmons player but this could be great to finally fix the natdex
Honestly I'm confused how something like this can happen in gen 9, but not gen 8. If the code was removed in 8, why wasn't it for 9? Is the code still in 8, but isn't accessable for any reason? I'd love to know a technical explaination tbh
You know, considering that all of the data is in the game, what if we somehow get an update for Scarlet and Violet that lets those Pokémon be used by transferring them from Legends ZA? That is astronomically unlikely but its interesting to think about
This is giving me missingno vibes all over again! :D Pokemon that don't exist, yet still do. Like chikorita in gen 1 which is there but not. It's number is there and it exist but nothing else. No sprite, no moves, no cry, all filled in by leftover data. However this isn't pokemon yet to be added, but pokemon added yet to be used. A reverse Missingno. Onginssim? Nomissing? Either way it's pretty cool.
>opponent sends out Pikachu
>it's electric type
>Zeraora?
>it's Pikachu
Something important to note here: this is going to be a VERY different format from National Dex BH. This is due to lacking several key moves, such as Spectral Thief, Topsy-Turvy, Thousand Arrows, Anchor Shot, and more. It’ll have its own identity and can coexist with NDBH, not be a rival to it. Also, ladder lost its favorite mon, L to Palafin-H.
One of the most prominent missing moves is Core Enforcer, which singlehandedly kept Poison Heal in check. Additionally, NDBH has Heal Order which dodged the SV recovery nerf due to being dexited. Also Z-Crystals are a thing that can have some fun niche uses. Crazy how just a few differences result in wildly different metagames.
the ndbh council confirmed that the ladder would be shutting down on august 1st, so no
I don't know if I sound stupid but, according to bulbapedia, Spectral Thief is in the code for SV, and can be called by metronome, so I assume you'd be able to hack it onto a pokemon?
@@Yveltyyywhy would they do that while still holding the tera suspect????
It wasn't NDBH council's decision, it was the PS Admins telling them that two days ago without warning
I love the idea that pikachu to stop the game from crashing is just pretending to be all removed pokemon
Pokémon Stadium used the Substitute doll for glitchmons
If I was game freak I would’ve picked mimikyu
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Ditto or zoroark would be what I’d pick
it's like what they do in the anime where they stretch their face and stuff
I feel hackmons is now TRULY LIVING TO ITS NAME. Using pokémon you're not supposed to is THE PUREST definition of a shark/hackmon. We're literally hacking half of the mons cutted back into the game, giving the tier an even bigger meaning.
Poor Xerneas. Aside from that, one incredibly notable thing is how Eternamax is one of the formes that revert back to its base once present. You cannot use Eternatus-Eternamax by hacking unlike in Gen 8.
So that means Pure Hackmons might be a good tier unlike in Gen 8
@@borby4584 hahaha............ I have three words for you fam
*Revival Blessing spam.*
@@Garde_Mystik without Assist, Revival Blessing wouldn’t be nearly AS bad. It still only has 1 PP, and using Revival Blessing doesn’t restore a target’s PP.
It would be annoying, but it would be nothing compared to ReviveCats
@@borby4584 Revival Blessing feels like one of the moves that Assist would blacklist. The problem is that it's hard to justify "feels like" for smogon, you gotta either blacklist or whitelist all the new moves, and if you blacklist moves then you get a lot of strong new attacking moves that can be used on the old divecats comp without compromising the overall power much, which still buffs the strategy.
@@TheLaXandro I thought there was coding that said that RB COULD be called by Assist?
But yeah, that move needs an Errata to make it so it can’t be. If you brought that to a group of friendly battles, literally everyone would hate you, and they’d definitely say “hey, no ReviveCats.”
>These changes will take some time so please be patient
>Me: Especting a week or two
>Estimated update: tomorrow
>Me: Wow these guys work fast
its just setting some flags in the showdown database to say that three pokemon are legal
Fun fact in gen 3 you definitely can change the stats without “romhacking” the game, if anyone plays gen 3 hackmons. Battle stats are stored separately and calculated separately from IVs, so you can bring Pokémon into battle with stats of 65535 lol. In all 6 stats.
Does it stay that way when you start a local battle? They could only transfer EVs/IVs for battle and recalculate the stats there. What about boxing/unboxing?
@@pmnt_ the game has I special logic for local battles, so it doesn’t recalculate. Boxes do it because they don’t store the entire Pokémon in a box, but as long as it’s in your party. It’s fine iirc.
This is actually really cool! With this new discovery you can make national dex matches locally to use with friends. What’s scary is that now you can actually use Tera Electric Air Balloon Shendinja in SV…
Shedinja was banned in gen 8 and I don't see it getting unbanned this gen for any reason
Why was shedinja banned?
I don’t know if Wonder Guard exists in SV via hacking, but would you not be better off running tera Electric Air Balloon Wonder Guard Mega Rayquaza if Wonder Guard can be hacked in? Or if it doesn’t, Shedinja wouldn’t have Wonder Guard either.
Unhittable Shedinja sounds scary by non-hacked standards, but if you can just do the same setup on something that’ll live through spikes/stealth rock/burn/poison/sandstorm/whatever else and also have super high offensive stats, why wouldn’t you? Sky’s the limit when you’re hacking
@@sparky6757 at that point just do boots sturdy shedinja,you are only weak to passive non hazard damage.
@@ianjordan8964 Sturdy Shenanigans essentially made it unkillable by normal means and it was too polarizing (Freezai made a video on it already).
Would’ve been cool to see multitype pikachus using op movesets
The first couple times itd have been funny. But i suspect trying to ladder or whatever, by the four-thousandth match you'd get fed up of the guessing game.
@@saltlakeatrocity9771 Yeah it's basically "what if every dexit pokemon was also a better zororark".
Educated guessing can only take you so far, so it would've been an unfair advantage-a rather ironic feat for hackedmons.
Freeze artificial intelligence
freeze allen iverson
Ayo both of these are fire 😂😂😂
Yes. Yes!!
So true
No, let's not
I think this could be very interesting for another reason: once support for Gen IX ends someday, and we don’t need to worry about keeping the games clean to interact with ranked online matches, this means we can build our own Natdex format INSIDE Gen IX. The lack of animations is something that would require hacking the game to fix, but the fact these Pokémon are already in the game and working properly is very, VERY nice
Why we didn't do that for Gen 8 is beyond me.
@@gasterthemaster6490 Because they were "unusable". Now they have the bare minimum functionality to be played as intended.
@@N12015 so does that technically mean I could bring mah boi Silvally in the game?
I've never cared for BH but these are some very intriguing changes, particularly with some powerful meta threats being disarmed by this form change adjustment.
I wonder if this is either them planning to make every Pokemon available in SV at some point, or the result of a poor copy and paste job. I'm hoping for the former, but also thinking it's the latter.
Maybe DLC 2 pulls a smash ultimate at that facility with everyone being there
@@samuelfernandez6516I’d be genuinely surprised if they announced a second DLC pack. As far as it seems, they only need the models and some move data.
I'd say more likely that they just built the list to be complete so that it could be easily reused for future games and to make testing and implementing DLC Pokémon faster and easier.
I have my doubts that they actually will bring back everything. I assume importing all the stats is a future-proofing thing
It may have been placeholder data for *potential* pokemon during development, or for possible DLC or updates.
Setting placeholder entries for removed pokemon makes sense under those circumstances, and stats and types are very basic, preexisting parts of the underlying system of Pokemon that wouldn't be difficult to change or copy over.
Movesets, abilities, and the like are much more tailored for each species, so this seems like a good stopping point where data could easily be brought forward for future generations.
As fun as it'd be to have a metagame consisting of this weird fake pikachu bluffing game i can't help but agree that option 3 made the most sense, especially since it'd be a complete nightmare to code into Smogon for what is effectively a very niche metagame
Honestly I wouldn't hate an OM that was just Nat Dex Ubers, but everything is Pikachu('s sprite).
Sounds like prime April Fools material.
@@webbowser8834 Call it Pikachubers
The fact that this includes Ultra Necrozma, the Primals, and all Megas is crazy. All the Area Zero stuff made me think Mega Evolution was going to come back in the DLC. This isn’t definitive proof, it could just be a placeholder. But it does give me hope.
Cope
@@GravityIsFallingabout what?
@@gasterthemaster6490mega evo
@@tarunyadav3567 yeah, they're not going to bring them back.
I've got hope, however, for all the past legendaries (Especially mah boi Silvally).
A prediction that I thought was truly insane was that they're prepping for the Gen 5 remakes with the Pokemon World Tournament. Since remakes are in the mega timeline, we could see an ingame version of Pokemon Showdown where all Pokemon, Z-Moves, Dynamax, Mega Evolution, and Terastalization are all allowed in some way shape or form.
You could theoretically mod the models in to make them function as the intended pokemon fully, just like with BDSP! HUGE for the modding community if true!!!
OH
FUCK
YEAH
(Smile straight outta an ARG)
All im saying is that if modders wanted to go nuts we could potentially just be free of the whole dexit thing in the first place.
Nintendo is definitely gonna witch hunt whoever does that lol
@@waffo_ Screw em. They wanna release games they way they do now they can deal with the natural consequences. XD
@@sutoriimmortal2177as someone who is planning on emulating Scarlet and Violet so I can mod it when possible well said
Like with BDSP
Hell they even have or at least getting the animations working at this point
I think potion 3 sounds like the most fun option, it's true to the situation on cartridges whilst implementing a rule that makes it more fun. In theory you could have the reveal clause for just balanced hackmons and leave all the pikachus to run wild in the full format, but I'm not sure how that would impact players of that format and what they're looking for whilst playing it.
I agree, playing a format where you can never tell what your opponent is even using sounds AWFUL. It just turns into "ope i guessed wrong rip" the whole game. It's like what everyone was afraid of when zoroark got released, but actually real and on the most powerful pokemon ever put in the game.
"Potion 3"? 👀💀
@@kilojuliet4It does make for some cool battles tho. Akin to a Pokémon challenge where you have to guess the opponent first
It’s all fun and games until you bring a real pikachu
On one hand, option 3 is clearly the best option. On the other hand, option 2 is clearly the funniest option.
Maybe for april fools.
@@N12015Every render/model becomes a Pikachu fusion 😊
😅😅
It would be cool to have a metagame of the month where the hackmons appear exactly as in the games, and part of the mindgames is figuring out what that pikachu is, or if that chansey really is a chansey or not.
It’s a pikachu viewed from above
@@MrMonkey2150It’s a doduo’s eye!
This is honestly a buck wild revelation lol. Do we know if this changed with the home update, or is it just that nobody thought to try actually hacking this stuff in until recently?
HOME Update added this stuff. Confirmed by datamines that happened as the update came out. This has been known about for a while, I really don't understand how Smogon didn't notice this for so long lol
@@SnoFitzroy Because Smogon isn't that much into contact with other segments of the community. That's why they though fishious rend wasn't a bite move, due to awful localization removing functionality.
@@N12015 So basically: Smogon stupid yet again
@@SnoFitzroy You're right on this one. People already knew they were there from basically day 1, but it was "Not in the code" for admins for some reason.
wouldnt it just be fantastic to face a tera normal choice band mega rayquaza?
Surely wouldn't e killer arceus just beat it cos it's faster and bulkier?
Prankster Counter Blissey goes wild against that frfr
I don't play this format but it would've been really funny to have to play guess the pikachu lmao.
Who's that Pikachu?
@@blazechaos212it’s pikachu!
GYARRR!
@@division6193 HAHAHAHA 😂
I must say, I'm more interested in why the game is like this.
Why do we have all of these Pokemon technically available? Wasn't the Dex-It a set-in-stone decision?
If I had to guess, they’re probably placeholders put in so that reimplementing old Pokemon can be easier. Trying to code in what something’s stats and abilities are is easy, but adding in the model and all its other features isn’t needed if it isn’t meant to be useable (if that makes sense).
@@mushroomdude123 I think it does.
most likely reason is just so they could more easily have the stats ready for when DLC brings new pokemon into the game, seeing as it probably wasn't decided what they'd add back in yet.
There is also some distant chance that we're gonna build back up to a full roster on the various generations going forward, each game just being built on top of the last, but it remains to be seen.
Pokémon Home data carryover could be why.
LMAO
Man I really want the National Dex back 😭
We need to start putting Pressure on Game Freak again
That makes you wonder if they actually planned a backdoor to actually bringing in the Pokémon again.
So technically, they can add every single Pokémon to Scarlet/Violet but are choosing not to. It honestly doesn't surprise me anymore...😔
Interesting how glitch mons and invisible mons are now pikachu instead of bulbasaur lol
Cause Bulbasaur isn’t in yet
I honestly remember this when I tried to emulate Scarlet on my laptop. I was able to hack in an Alolan Ninetales, but it appeared as a Pikachu. So useful to know it wasnt just me.
Coming back to this video 7 months later got me thinking. I wonder if invisible Pokémon would correct themselves if they were re-introduced via DLC?
I learned about this while a small streamer I watch was doing an egglocke in SV and one other interesting thing about these pokemon is that they still have their data for evolutions. I sent in a weedle egg and it evolved to a kakuna at level 7, beedrill at level 10, just as it normally would. this doesnt have any impact on competitive but its still pretty interesting
The fact that there’s data for every Pokémon just floating around in the code is… strange. Especially when it wasn’t like that in the previous generation. A huge part of me really hopes that one day every Pokémon will be available in SV but the more realistic part of me thinks that this is just some kind of fluke, mistake, or weird coincidence. Still would be cool, though.
The fact you can use Poké star studio "Pokémon" in gen 5 hackmons tells me that we should be able to use dexit pokemon
I REALLY REALLY hope this is a sign for Megas and Nat-Dex coming back. (please GF they were the best things in Pokemon)
Are there any unusable Pokémon/Forms that even Invisible Pokémon can’t replicate? ie, Cosplay Pikachu, Eternal Flower Floette, etc.?
Seeing as we are talking about games that, through DLC, allowed formally dexited 'Mons back into the new regions, my guess is that these invisible Pokémon are there for future-proofing reasons.
No way they adding megas back lol
Wait, so in theory you could do National Dex format locally?
It'd look like a giant visual mess and moves will still be dexited, but yeah I presume so
nope, there's still the fact that there's no way to actually activate megas in-game. The mega pokémon themselves are in the code, but the functionality of megaevolving a pokémon isn't. Same for Z-moves
@@somebodyuknow2507 you can hack in the forme directly, so megas and primals are legal
@joaquin5796 dexited abilities stayed within the games code like the pokemon. And yes some moves didn't make it, but you can hack in the pokemon without the moves yknow?
I say allow the hackmons into showdown, and make them all follow the rule in SV and make all dexited mons look like pikachu. Itll be really funny
Sounds funny for a single silly weekend tournament, but annoying if it stuck around after that.
Honestly would be a funny new april fools joke to go alongside the amazing sprites we get every year
I love all of these legendaries being represented by Pikachu of all things.
If you had to use a single image to identify a creature as "a Pokemon", no other details available, do you see any better example?
I mean, Missingno would be a better choice for this "OP invisible mon" but I understand why Pikachu (the legendary killer)
6:17 wait, I did not understand this part.
If SV forces form changes to revert to the original (like palafin hero back to zero) are mega pokemon actually usable or not? It seems like from the footage shown, but do they get their stats reset upon battle?
Only applies to pokemon that werent dexited
I would suggest that the rule for Dexit'd pokemon just requires their nickname to be set to the pokemon's actual name in combat.
this kinda makes me wonder why that data was left in SV
While I don't love the reveal clause at least wish it was an actual reveal clause. The same way it will tell you the species name when there's a nickname they should have done that but keep the sprite Pikachu because it would be funny and accurate.
Something about the knowledge that the pokemon still EXISTING in the newer games irks but excites me
Man, Xerneas's case is so dumb, since it seems like a purely visual form.
The Invisible Pokemon thing also seems more like just.... "Fakeachus"? "De-dexiting"? It'd be interesting to see how BH develops with these new headgame tactics available, though.
Anyway, neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Pikachu is just a placeholder. Works a lot better in this game then others.
@@CloverPillbug Yeah, I know, but the point is the Pokemon is less invisible -It's still identifiable, even with visual details, just not the model & animations- & more just a Pikachu is shown in its place.
Ultra necrozma is back baby! Next step is Light That Burns The Sky!
I don't want to get my hopes up for a possible return of mega pokemon, but it is very interesting that their stat data is in the game and actually usable, unlike SwSh.
So let me get this straight: all of the data for every Pokémon is right there in the game, just without a character model, but we still have a Dexit problem?
Gotta sell the DLC too, which looking at that DLC’s datamine would still only be 200+ more mons, just like with Sw/SH
new idea, we should just make a new format like hackmons invis or something
I think they should receive their sprites, honourary
Now nickname them all "Pikachu"
This is actually the funniest thumbnail you've ever made
Damn one video and my entire world has changed. I’m so glad you covered this because I would be so confused if I just played one day and ran into new Pokémon.
I figured people caught onto the fact that the stats were here a bit sooner than this. I hacked in my Togetic out of curiousity and ran into this. I did assume this was the case in gen 8 though, was unaware the stats used to be zeroed.
So then Pikachu becomes Zoroark 2.0
Wow, well this is awesome I hope it's all Pikachu sprites on showdown
if Pokemon is a college course, Freezai would be a PhD by now lol
If the stats are in the game i bet megas are coming back.
I'm just here because I like listening to people talk about things they're passionate about.
Personal opinion here: I think it would be funny if dexited mons on showdown have a pikachu sprite AND their traditional sprite. At least how I imagine it, I'm thinking of the Showdown substitute animation/sprite but with a pikachu. When substitute gets used, just overwrite the pikachu sprite. Obviously this has no weight to how the game plays but I think it would be pretty neat.
Wow, SV really is the reusable match of dumpster fire game releases if they cut more than half of the total Pokemon only to still have them in
Hopefully modders can put the missing Pokemon back in, seeing as all the numbers are already in
Sv was great
i mean even if someone modded all of the pokemon into the game it still wouldnt change the fact thats its pokemon scarlet and violet
Looks like team rocket was right, that isn’t any normal pikachu
I love these kind of discussions. "We found something that changes the rules" is relevant in all forms of competition. The same debate skills apply in a small community-driven scene as in a national one.
Im thinking of Formula One, where the community decides on design restrictions, and engineers deliberately push against those restrictions, leading to innovation and improved rules.
That is great! My Pokebois are back! I think if someone makes a hack where it just brings back all the Pokemon models, that would be really great for this.
If Ultra Necrozma is in the data, maybe Mega Evolutions are!
They are
@@goGothitaLOL PLEASE let them be back in the DLC!
The only thing I've ever wanted to do is use Magic Powder + Synchronoise because that's the only way it'll ever work.
and it all clicks together w/ the substitute ban in bh... (not really?)
What I find interesting is the fact megas are included here. Like, obviously they existed in gen 8 with the code too, but there's a massive difference between being name dropped and actually having stats and usable forms.
I highly doubt we'll be getting all the pokemon back, understandably, but this is way more then just a copy and paste over from S&S's code, so the fact they put in the work to code over usable megas when they haven't for things like Eternamax's eternal form is genuinely significant.
Obviously don't get your hopes up, but maybe megas could return in some form...
would love if a rework of megas, gigantamax and synergy came to be with one or two (for charizard and mewtwo) universal item that changed the form of the pokemon on switch, with gigantamax becoming "mega" with their own stats (like in radical red). To make these gimmick less special and allow them to stay (even if we would lose some stategic depht)
Do the other fused pokémon exist within the code too? And if so is there the limit of only one fusion of necrozma/kyurem per team like there is with calyrex?
For Kyurem it's because the DNA Splicers can only store one Pokemon at a time, and Game Freak never bothered doing anything about that design oversight, but Necrozma can only use one form per team because of species clause
It feel so weird thinking that mega pokemon are technically usable
To me this is very hype!! Do you think the dexited mons data is just a contingency or are GF actually planning to bring back the national dex?
They probably just copy/paste the data of all Pokemon when deciding which ones to keep for the region/DLC and someone forgot to delete the rest because Gamefreak
BH IS BACK BOYS
Thé fact that all removed Pokémon’s are actually there including megas is something
Damn,you truly can't escape mega evolution lmao
Something interesting here is that you mentioned that mega Pokémon have the ability to terrastylize. Could this have an effect on natdex?
natiol dex in scarlet and violet includedlol
when my landorus incarnate uses rock slide it just disappears
So basically, the game says any Pokemon it doesn't know about is Pikachu.
In my opinion they never should have removed any Pokemon in the first place. They aren't even close to reaching the limits for the Pokemon list bit wise and the removals are arbitrary most of the time and don't make any sense.
imagine gamefreak decided to let mega rayquaza tera.. it might be too much for even anything goes
Nickname a dexited pokemon pikachu for maximum trolling.
6:47 R.I.P Palafin Hero
So does this mean that we can somehow brute force cut pokemon back into the game? Not a hackmons player but this could be great to finally fix the natdex
The modders are gonna eat good
@@pg13snipez I’ll take this instead of trying to remake platinum through bdsp 💀💀
Is Eternamax Eternatus in the game files? If so, that would mean Pure Hackmons would be unplayable.
eternamax reverts back to its regular form fortunately. though, i still think pure hackmons is unplayable this gen
Honestly I'm confused how something like this can happen in gen 9, but not gen 8. If the code was removed in 8, why wasn't it for 9? Is the code still in 8, but isn't accessable for any reason? I'd love to know a technical explaination tbh
I’ve heard that this happened because of the update that brought Pokemon Home support
@@cassyettetape that'd make sense, although I'm still confused how it'd happen in one gen and not the other. Must've just been an oversight?
You know, considering that all of the data is in the game, what if we somehow get an update for Scarlet and Violet that lets those Pokémon be used by transferring them from Legends ZA? That is astronomically unlikely but its interesting to think about
So now there's a point to Xerneas having two forms.
dracovish is so back baby
I tried adding swampert in a few months ago, and it's probably how I got banned
So Paldea has a sort of soft Dexit going on.
But in Galar Dexit means Dexit
This is giving me missingno vibes all over again! :D
Pokemon that don't exist, yet still do. Like chikorita in gen 1 which is there but not. It's number is there and it exist but nothing else. No sprite, no moves, no cry, all filled in by leftover data. However this isn't pokemon yet to be added, but pokemon added yet to be used. A reverse Missingno. Onginssim? Nomissing? Either way it's pretty cool.
chikorita converting to a glitchmon is purely a consequence of the two games using similar data structures
I wonder if these invisible Pokemon have something to do with these event Tera raids? Or maybe they're just placeholders...
Finally something interesting in gen 9
I wonder if these Pokémon will appear in Randomizers
I believe so, I saw a chillin play video where they got the pikachu who wasn’t a pikachu a while ago
Depends on how the randomizer is set up. If it uses all values in the game, then absolutely.
Maybe ban nicknames, so it's always obvious which species this "Pikachu" actually is.
Also Game Freak should stop removing Pokémon in the first place.
eternatus eternamax being usable is crazy anyway
Pikachu is the only pokemon after all
Very cool that pikachu is the default Mon
Respect
What would be awesome if gamefreak to do would be just adding the files for every Pokémon to exist in every game