Is Sorry Ever Enough?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Is Sorry Ever Enough? Today we're over analyzing the subtext in 2003's biggest movies about bears Brother Bear. I hope you enjoy.
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I was taught that “sorry” means “I’m gonna try to make sure this never happens again”. It’s you saying you’re ready to try and change. Saying “sorry” without doing the work means nothing.
Very much so the case in Dutch culture as well, you'll hear people barely utter the word sorry. Me neither, I only apologize when I fully understand what I did wrong and how to avoid it doing it again. I want people to know I'm serious if I say sorry. I refuse to say "sorry" for typos, being late or when I didn't get/hear something. A lot of sorrys could have been replaced with "not to be rude", "my bad", "I hope it wasn't xyz" and "I didn't mean to". Imo it's odd we apologize when we legit couldn't hear something... Sorry for being deaf or not focused enough to hear what you're saying? Yeah you can totally fix bad hearing by reflecting on it enough, please apologize for it instead of asking me to repeat myself lol. I always tell everyone to hold their sorrys for when it actually matters, I'll see it as less valuable if it gets thrown around like mishearing me or when you accidentally step on my toes...
I read your comment and my mind immediately added "Remember that actions not matching words is called manipulation and should not be tolerated. "
Not saying sorry at all though? Much worse. Sorry doesn't mean nothing if there hasn't been a chance yet for things to move forward. It means an effort will be made. Toxic people cannot accept this kind of promise, however
ITS GOBLIN GUY???
"im not saying this is how the justice system should be; itd be hard to turn people into bears" lol
truly it would be... so. much. paperwork.
it might be possible just hard
with a bit of costume shopping and mental manipulation, could be possible in a sense
@@n9cole480 alternatively, cosmetic surgery
For all the film's flaws, the biggest thing to its credit is that it was pretty ballsy for an animated DISNEY movie to have a sympathetic and relatable protagonist commit such a bad transgression, even if at the time Kenai felt justified in his act of anger.
Personally I think the flawed protagonist trope was handled better in this movie than in Zootopia.
Oh yeah kenai is shows and a impulsive teenager who's quick to anger, suprisingly down to earth and realistic, he causes a problem, and it causes the harm of a loved one so he thinks revenge is the answer when in reality what was needed was love...
I just realized that you’re the same guy that made the “it’s ok to leave the kid’s table” video. Idk how this one got such little views, you really are a hidden gem
That's very kind of ya, I'm glad ya liked/saw the Mr. Fox video too. Yeah 😅views can eb and flow but mostly I just like making the videos cause its fun, so if people see its thats awesome but I had fun either way
Ohh I loved that video!! Finally subscribed now ❤
The question is never if sorry enough for the giver, but for the receiver.
i clicked because of the brother bear thumbnail, stayed for the interesting writing, and then got really hyped when it turns out it was all about brother bear. this was my absolute fav movie as a kid. thank you for making a video about this movie and giving me a little understanding of why i love it so much :^)
i loved this movie so much as a kid (username as proof lmfao), most people I talk to have never even heard of it smh
“Sorry” is the mirror of the word “Love” in my humble opinion
Brother Bear was freakin legendary how dare they give it 36%
The most sincere apology I’ve ever received was from my father. My whole life he has been verbally abusive, mainly towards my mom because she was always shielding us from his anger. Things would be broken almost every time he got into a rage. He was and still is the scariest person I’ve ever met. He was a gaslighter and even made threats to our safety. He started arguing with us kids when my brother had to learn how to drive and my dad needed to teach him because he was 19 (we were too poor and busy for driving lessons before). Eventually I started getting into arguments with him as well.
He would gaslight me and make me feel small. He’d call me things like “bitch” and “little girl” and demean me for shaking like a leaf whenever I stood my ground against him. I started shielding my mom from him and one day it came to such a boiling point that I just lost it. I broke a glass mason jar between us and my brother had to drag me away from my dad, and I yanked a jacket hanger off the wall as he pulls me away. The whole time I was screaming and spitting, “Do you want to see your grandchildren?” I know he realized then what I was saying, because even my brother pleaded with me to stop. If he kept treating us like this, I would never speak to him again, and he would never have a relationship with my kids when I eventually have them.
He went to his room and I did as well. Eventually I had to go to the kitchen again to get some water, and he came to me and said that he was sorry. And he has “apologized” before, sarcastically, and bitterly. But he had tears in his eyes and even listened to me when I told him to apologize to my mother first. He was a blubbering mess. There was nothing but remorse and shame for what he’d done and what he realized he had done my entire life. I really didn’t want to forgive him in that moment, but the next day I needed to go back to college and he usually drove me, and I knew it would kill him if my mom drove me instead and he never got to see me again if something happened.
Since then he’s never attacked any of us verbally. There are arguments sure, but he has never resorted to mocking gestures or shouting ever again. He hasn’t even raised his voice at me.
He meant every word he said when he begged me to forgive him. He had already had another daughter decades before, and his relationship with her was awful because his ex wife was legitimately insane and he didn’t help it any. She’s in her forties now and they barely talk. He knows what it’s like to lose his daughter. He knew that if he continued on the way he did that he would have destroyed his second chance with me.
And if anyone else ever hurts me and they don’t apologize and mean it the way he did, I will never forgive them.
@Based_Gigachad_001the fuck is wrong with you lmao
This was a fun subject, really interesting to learn about. If you want to learn more, I've linked some resources in the description. Hope y'all enjoy, and yes I couldn't NOT use Stay With Me at the end 😅
I think the quote included at 17:50 highlights something I'd never thought about. The reason we seek revenge isn't truly because we want to _inflict_ suffering upon someone else - it's because we want them to understand how _we_ suffered, and the role that person played in it. The revenge is just a means to an end, and the reason it doesn't satisfy is precisely because it rarely teaches what it intends to.
Something I always wished we could have heard in this movie is the way Kenai tells Koda about what happened to his mom. Like, I get the reason we dont is because it's basically a recap of the movie up to that point, but the thing is: Kenai most likely said things differently in order to come to the conclusion of telling Koda "your mom isnt coming."
Cinema Therapy had the director, Aaron Blaise on this subject: He essentially said that the moment is unavoidably cruel, it has to be, but that they wanted to make sure that it wasn't so cruel toward Koda that the apology and forgiveness came off as shallow.
I always loved this film. As a kid I would watch it again and again. I think with this video points out the fact that even as child, we don't need to understand why. We just know there's not villains we see people.
I also blame that movie for my love of nature
This is an AMAZING video essay. Short sweet and well put
I don’t think you’re giving enough credit to this movie’s animation, but I love this analysis of the story
Oh man in terms of animation its gorgeous, and I love the switch up on style with the aspect ratio change. I just didn't wanna focus too much on the artistic side of the movie versus the subtext of its story. Coming back to this movie though, its landscapes and splashy spirit moments are stunning. I think its the 2nd last 2d animated movie they did and it knocks my socks off!
I've always seen it as sorry means you have sympathy for someone, regardless if it's your fault or not. Apologizing means to understand and admit, or accept responsibility for a wrongdoing. And repentance is making a change to not do it again.
Brother Bear has my favorite 24 minutes of Disney for me. I love the beginning of this film, I just wish it kept that tone. I love the theme of this film so much but it just fell flat do to its middle half
Totally! Its a movie that has a lot of personality under the hood and its opening is captivating in a way that feels lost by the time we get to the first major song 'On My Way' with Koda. Like I said it struggles with tone and pacing which is a shame cause it really is a beautifully animated film with a lot of substance in its subtext.
I love the aspect ratio changing the whole perceptive of the movie. The black bars are SOOO glaring in the intro, but the pay off to a more open insight into the world is honestly worth it and masterfully done.
I found this to be a particularly poignant video essay because it resonated especially hard with regards to interpersonal conflict/cycles of violence and trauma that i'm experiencing in my own life. thank you for making it, I hope it gets well-deserved attention :)
Another awesome video. And I gotta ask, was "when does a man become a monster" a reference to epic?
Yoooo glad you liked it dude!, and Yeppers had that song stuck in my head making this 😅
This movie really defined my childhood in a lot of ways (my username as proof haha), growing up as an indigenous kid who loved bears I connected with it. But now as a trans dude who is coming into adulthood, it really speaks to me with the struggle of coming into manhood and learning to be a compassionate and loving man. Koda bear has been my nickname since childhood, I even put koda and kenai on my grad cap, and it's super cool to find someone talking about this movie :)
I don't usually write out comments for videos, but seeing someone appreciate this movie for how artistic and themeful it is really makes me happy.
as someone who had to go through a restorative justice process as the victim i never felt like i got a real apology because it was written on a paper and the they just continued their actions i really likes this video also brother bear is one of my favorite movies
Another aspect of forgiveness is that sometimes you have to live (depending on the act of grievance) with the fact that others don’t have to forgive you.
A scenario this brings to mind is Jack (Torchwood) having to sacrifice his grandson in order to destroy 456.
He has to do this right in front of his daughter. Of course we see him torn up and full of regret and at the same time he’s inflicted a level of pain that can never be forgiven.
Sometimes, for others, self forgiveness is the only option. Which brings another interesting thought to mind of determining when a person truly is worthy of self forgiveness.
There’s a difference between callously disregarding the hurt you’ve caused vs genuinely being sorry and wanting to prove to others you are worthy of trust …
"The key to understanding is to see through another's eyes
Find a way to help us see from all sides"
-Great Spirits (Phil Collins Version)
I hurt a dear friend and this video is making me reflect up on my weak apology, i couldnt find the right words to say how much it pains me that i have hurt somebody who is really dear to me, as one commenter said hold your sorry-es for when you really mean it and i understand that it wouldnt fix my weak apology but it just made me reflect how powerful and weak some words can be when used incorrectly
„We‘ve all done things we‘re bot proud of“ I don‘t knlw what you‘re talking about. I am simply perfect
damn, bro's makin me tear up over here. You make some beautiful videos man
if I got a quarter for every time a Disney movie set up a realistic fantasy about the young protagonist coming of age cerement with love as a unwanted future, only to a magic ghost spirit turning the angry but misguided protagonist into a bear, completely sifting the story of the movie, I would have 2 quarters, which isn't a lot, but is weird that is happened twice
I’m very glad I came across your video. This movie isn’t talked about a lot and while it is a mid tier animated movie it holds a spot in my heart. I watched it with my Dad and Grandmother a lot growing up and seeing a video on this lesson as an adult now is refreshing.
I read somewhere a strong sense of justice carries through a fair amount of neurodivergent people in our world and originally that upset me for reasons that still elude me. But, in its favor that was never saying that our human race was lacking a feeling or sense of right or good or justice. In fact this discussion of making right the mistakes of your past, which an older simpler me is tempted to nit-pick to shreds as a pettier version of myself would be feeling oh so sooo empowered by doing. But I will not, time has shown me and in so doing changed me. That doesn't change either that how to find earnest forgiveness, and how to make right those wrong things done, with or without your intent in the moment the wrong was done. well it's a big and equally strong question. With what seems like too many answers honestly.
There in, is the clutch of the earlier statement. "Neurodivergent people tend to a strong sense of justice", not that they tend to be the only ones who believe in or pursue it, but that they have very intense ideas, feelings on, and perspectives of, what it is and when it is most wronged, or neglected if not outright ignored. Honestly, it's still something I only barely have any perspective on, but I'm starting to believe I need to dig deeper into it, in large part thanks to this videos opening minutes and a few other I've seen today. As a point to this, the main characters blind press to find a solution without exploring the reasons they find themselves in the situation to begin with, the neglect of their role in seemingly any of it even when faced directly with and denounced for their role again, directly... it's a strong reflecting pool of sorts for myself and my mistakes... As well as the way many people in our lives may act especially in our youth if not our present.
To expand on one point at least, our hope is always that justice prevails our mucking middling attempts to find it or pervert it, as you might see it. To me at least the really hurtful confusion though is that like so many beautiful things in our lives and world. It's far too complex in variety, reason and scope to be broken down to one or even ten collective point say twenty minute or heck, even hour long videos discussing it... if it were to be given its proper exploration to see it. But....
Thank you, for providing this one videos perspective. nevertheless. 😊😮😊
On a much more light hearted note, could these be the same tribe as the human baby in Ice Age came from?
Brother Bear to me is a classic.
Oh boy another BANGER on your hands
I remember loving this movie as a kid but no really getting it but now I guess getting older gave me a new perspective huh weird ( also I love the fact your making video essays autism really popping off today)
Time can be a funny thing like that. I'd totally forgotten this movie existed until this past year. I think I first saw it on dvd on a road trip but I remembered being obsessed with some of the songs. I definitely got more out of it this next time around too 😅
Excellent video!! Ive gotta rewatch Brother Bear, I forgot how unique and nuanced its concept was!!
I really appreciate hearing your reflection on these concepts. I've been kind of grappling with the idea of apologies since i was a kid. I was taught that "sorry" was a promise to never do something again, but i often observed (in myself and in others) this promise being broken -- because the process of apologizing didn't consistently involve meaningful recognition and growth/change to break the patterns of behavior being apologized for. For a long time, apologies just seemed to be empty words and/or promises made to be broken.
But, in fact, apologies are expressions of understanding and recognition! They are for the benefit of the recipient, and are not the beginning nor end of healthy personal growth and reconciliation (as well as potential reconciliation with the other person). "Sorry" became so much easier to say when i reframed it as a part of clear and effective communication with others instead of a personal obligation/source of shame.
(standard caveat that i know this can seem like overthinking a pretty intuitive/obvious socializing concept, but that's just the way the 'tism tangoes 🕺)
ahh, so happy to see this movie explained in the way that made me fall in love with it in the first place! this movie has always been such a comfort for me, i go back to it so many times. it is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but man is it a wonderful movie nevertheless. i really enjoyed this video a lot, so thank you for making it! keep up with the great work, truly :)
Dude, coming off of this and your fantastic Mr. Fox video, your content is SO compelling. I've been in what I would define as a hopeless stint of depression due to the falling out with love ones, creating a deep loneliness, causing a lot of media which was undoubtably comforting to me, to fall flat. It is so alleviating to to see content that is simple and humble, definetely gonna join that discord server.
oh man thats super kind of ya to say! The videos they were fun to make, I've been enjoying trying to just find my own creative vibe with them so I'm glad to hear you enjoyed!
For as much as I enjoy this video and really appreciate your perspective, I think your idea of a hidden gem movie may be worth reevaluating bc this is textbook hidden gem to me. ‘Tonally vague’ doesn’t do the story justice, it was tonally revolutionary-a kids movie of death and forgiveness told without an antagonist executed in a way that’s aligned with the thesis of the story. It’s hard to get art like that funded, let alone at Disney. And it was done so expertly! it’s an experience it’s a lesson and it’s entertainment for anyone, I def think that is hidden gem material
Ya know, that's a totally fair perspective, I definitely agree with you on this being a big swing, a bold and artistic movie that tries to tell a story and break formulaic styles of the time; this is certainly an overlooked gem. Personally, however, I think that, that gem is a diamond in the rough. While its got a lot of great moments, I think, it lacks the overall cohesiveness to stick the landing as a movie. Its got great art, passionate vision, solid acting, but is weaker in its pacing and delivery of some of its ideas. Regardless you make a great point the vision of this movie doesn't get nearly enough credit!
Additionally I'm glad you liked the video thanks for giving it a watch 😊
You definitely had a good thesis here, but I think your essay would have hit home for me a bit more if you were a little less vague with your commentary/critique. Rather than start with a summary and then just talk around the movie with regards to your thesis, I would have liked it more if you dug more into the actual examples that support your thesis. It kind of felt like you were assuming your viewers had all seen the movie themselves. Also I think Brother Bear is less about the more general idea of the impact humanity has on the natural world, and more about the interpersonal. What makes Kenai finally realize he did something wrong? When he realizes he killed Koda's mother, a fact you kind of dance around and never fully mention in the video. "Is sorry ever enough?" is actually a really powerful thesis in that specific context, and I would have liked it if you'd explored that particular aspect more thoroughly. The climax of the movie is Kenai's and Koda's individual realizations, and how they deal with that.
If it wasn't for the mammoths, there'd be no indication that this movie took place in the ice age, rather than any other precolonial time period.
Alaska still looks like that.
Absolutely adore this movie! Always makes me cry every watch! It's one of those underrated Disney films!
I had the vaguest memories of this movie as a kid. It was really interesting to see a deeper analysis of such a forgotten movie. The literal change in perspective is something I never noticed before and kind of blew my mind hearing about it. Great video!
Also: I enjoyed the literal "where lines are drawn" at 13:22
Came in for the title, because I related it to a personal problem I am dealing with in my life. I kind of got surprised when Brother Bear came into the discussion, but that only added to my intrigue. This ended up being a lovely video, I needed to hear some of this stuff. Deserves way more views!!!
thinking about this video in the context of a tumblr post I saw about how "you wouldn't be mean to yourself if you were different person," and with that in mind made me think of apology in terms of the self. Like I think it is a useful tool to imagine the past and present selves as different people, and sometimes you have to make the active choice to say that you are sorry from either the past or the future to fully realize your actions and attempt to improve them. IDK if that makes sense
OH SO THAATS WHY THE ASPECT RATIO WAS SO WEIRD AT FIRST WHEN I WATCHED THE MOVIE i never even noticed it changing omg xD
its such a crazy detail to have carried over to streaming/DVD too, I thought my movie was broken at first 💀
Back to back bangers
Love your essays!
Sorry means less and less every time you say it
Another banger, great job :) underrated movie for sure
Christianity is the religion of forgiving those who wronged you and more importantly forgiving yourself for what you have done. It is a harrowing feat of willpower to achieve that level of forgiveness and empathy which is why we must rely on the love and mercy of Jesus Christ to help us through those times. When I think of someone who wronged me I think of how Jesus forgave those who tortured and brutalized him and showed true compassion for humanity. That’s what I want to emulate.
This video was really good. Please Continue with these!✨
Wow.... was definitely not expecting someone to talk about Brother Bear in this day and age. I mean, like you said, it's a relatively mid-tier movie, which is good, but i feel like there's a lot of those, and it's easily overshadowed.
Even then, you talked about it in a fairly unique way compared to most reviewers that go pretty straightforward.
During the 2000's we were thinking about time a lot, because the millennium turned and the last time humanity experienced that was during the 1000's. There was a lot of talk about "The Dawn of the New Millennium" and what that meant, and my generation even got its name changed from "Y" to "Millennial." So since we were thinking about time and things long ago, we started to think about the Ice Age which was an even longer time ago. The Ice Age came up a lot because we were thinking about our beginnings as humanity compared to where we were then.
Awesome video, man. So interesting. Truly yet another masterpiece
Look all you had to do was put a brother bear picture and i would click
Sometimes Apologies ain't gona Be enough
It just boils down weather we're Brave enough to Forgive or not
But in the end Fear is Our Master and we're Powerless.......
dude i love your videos so much, the robots and fantastic mr fox vids were amazing and i hope the success keeps coming
Ah man what a cool and insightful video. I sure hope it doesn't shoot me in the soul by playing the saddest song ever at the end
I never thought I’d see Arthur Morgan in a brother bear video.
It’s ok I forgive you for using this video as a path to personal growth ❤😂
for a second i thought you were Napoleon XIV
First the Kids Table video, now this. I love these videos youre making, I'm super excited for the future of your channel
please make more videos like this bruh they're so good
Went into ur past videos to watch more film analysis and just realized I've already watched all of the ones you've made lol. Also this should have more views??
Ay I'm glad ya like the essays the movie ones tend to get more love/views than the sound design in Minecraft or what went wrong with a video game's launch essays but they're all super fun to make! Hope you have a good day today :)
Woo! Can‘t wait to see it!
10/10 would watch again
these videos are so well made. love what you have to say!!
Thanks man thats super kind, glad you enjoyed. I have a blast making them :D
Really enjoyed this watch:) “every journey starts with that first step” i like that
This was a really interesting essay and analysis. Thank you!
glad to be here before this blows up
Remember when lessons in movies weren’t considered evil political plots and hippie dippie garbage?? At least not as often as they do today??
beautiful, thank you!
Brother Bear was such a good story of forgiveness in such a mediocre movie, it would have been a classic if there was less comedy and songs
Its just TLOU 2
I'd definitely agree there is a connection of 'cyclical violence' and breaking that cycle between TLOU 2 and Brother Bear, but I'd say Brother Bear shines mostly because it deviates to examining apology and resolution that helps the victim more so than TLOU 2. A great connection though to point out!
I didn't realize this movie had such a low rating. I personally loved this movie and to this day believe it's one of the most profound animated films ever produced.
There were very few moments in my life when I actually felt sorry for what I've done, and it actually pained me and I truly wanted to repair the outcome or to save what still remained.
Most of the times I just knew that if I make a sad face (extra points for crying), say I'm sorry and look down (I call it the snowdrop position) I will get a smaller punishment (or none at all).
Amazing video. I love this movie so much and I’m so glad someone is talking about it and it’s fantastic messages. Thank you for this amazing video
Sorry is never enough my love language isnt spoiling those i love but apologize in money too if i felt like i genuinely did you wrong i love money more than anything and i dont expect people to forgive me cause i am petty and i hold grudges but i only do this for close loved ones other people listen i said sorry i said what i said
spiderman yeaaaaaaaaaaah
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No.
I love that I’m seeing more brother bear videos
I need to work on both forgiving and saying sorry
anri’s last summer whisper 🙏
very nice video :)
“This is what sorry looks like” Sindri
oh man Sindri's story in GoW is such an interesting one for how it explores grief and whether or not he is justified in how he takes that grief out on Kratos and Atreus. Really Really interesting characters in those games!
1:30 OMG
maybe (1st btw)
I was first
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I hope @AaronBlaiseArt on youtube sees this video. I think it'd mean a lot to him
I'm a real sucker for his work, love his channel too as he pulls the curtain back on some really cool details of his time at Disney/in animation studios
Very well thought out video, super underrated
Telling them I'm sorry is never enough I have to die.
Don’t you have way more things to look forward to