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Dude, the Welsh guys are certainly getting better, at least there is a plan in place for developing a team, as an English fan, I wish we had the same vision to look to the future. Ireland are just class, they will be leaders for some time.
The difference was really clear in attack. Wales are fine with a phase 1/set piece possession, but as soon as we leave the playbook, we look lost. Ireland play to patterns drilled into them from schoolboy level. So they know "instinctively' how to make sure the ballcarrier has support and to form an option behind
I think there were so many penalties by wales they were very lucky to get away without a yellow card. But welsh defence was excellent and a good platform to work off .
Yeah I agree. I said to my wife after 20 mins. “We’re getting a card and second now” see didn’t seam to care as much as me strangely enough 😂(she doesn’t like rugby) but he ye were lucky in that aspect
I think you’re right about the referee. I’ve thought this about this man for a while. It’s as if he received a new whistle for Christmas. This is not to say he had an effect on the result. I feared that the result would be worse. But I do love the way referees lecture the front rows, as if they know what’s going on. In this case, given the build of the referee, I imagine that he would have given the widest berth possible. On a wider point, I had a manager, a long time ago, who argued that if different people are making the same mistake, time and again, it’s the instructions that are wrong. World Rugby mantra seems to be ‘Let the game flow’ and they keep introducing amendments to make this possible. Referees don’t seem to understand this. Blatant foul play must be punished . Fiddly little things spoil the game. During one game in the autumn I conducted an admittedly unscientific survey. Using a five bar gate system I counted the number of times the referee blew his whistle FOR ALL REASONS. I abandoned this at half time, a half which I timed was 48 minutes long. The result was 39 times. I ask you? Thirty nine times in 48 minutes. Is this what they mean by letting the game flow.
As an Irish fan, I'm happy with the result and commented after the game that Wales have been the only team that have given real competition to Ireland so far in this 6N. As a young team, they have a great future ahead of them. You mentioned discipline but Ireland were possibly worse than Wales ! It was a very open game and penalties and dropped balls were all over the place. The only thing is, Ireland are just relentless, they have a goal and they go for it, illustrated by that 82nd minute bonus point try. Wales did brilliantly for the yellow card periods in the 2nd half. I can only say these Welsh young lads have a bright future and might well be coming good for the next World Cup. Also it didn't feel like a 31-7 win. So well done Wales.
Yeah your relentless comment is so spot on. We were brave but when you guys needed it you put us to the sword and that is a sign of a great team 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
As an irish fan i can say well done to wales. Welsh fellas will always run themselves to a standstill. Add a few more playwrs and sort the set piece and theres a decent team in the makjng. See ye next year in Cardiff. 🇮🇪
I had a conversation about Pivac earlier and thought he had a bit of a rough deal, he was very quick ball and with this young team he could of done something. I wish i could create 2 timelines one with gats and one with pivac at the wheel and see how it played out 😂 we are improving imo, we didn't lay down today, the last try absolutely got me annoyed tho 😂
Ha ha I dunno about that. I think he could decide who he wanted to select. Always chopping and changing and never settled on a game plan. For me Gats gets so much more out of lesser players than most coaches 🤷🏻♂️
@TheWelshSportsPodcast I would put money on the gats timeline too, i just thought Pivac did really well for the scarlets with some new players. Pivac didn't stand a chance after the Italy win
I think this Wales team are standing up for themselves and given the extreme lack of experience compared with others they’re doing ok. We’ll see results out of them in time if they can organise the support play. Ireland are the opposite in terms of experience and just so impressive! They’re a level above the other 6N teams at the moment.
God I hope so- my first Wales game also. I have to say Wales are my favourite team after Ireland. The Welsh anthem is unreal , it was appreciated by the whole stadium. Those guys are so young you would have to think they will be a force in a few seasons
Yeh they are learning and as a proud Welshman I really appreciate you saying at bay about or anthem. It give me spine ticklers every time even now 😂☘️🏴
Wales did exactly what i expected them to do and they did it well , plenty of heart and the foundations of a great side and exactly the game we needed before facing Eng , down to 14 men for 20 mins and technically denied any Welshman from crossing the line apart from the penalty try which was influenced by the Scot/ Fran debacle . All in all a very enjoyable second half and actually created a bit of atmosphere in the Aviva with a very spirited defence from Wales .
I think we are improving in some areas,but sadly our front five are not good enough and I honestly don’t see improvement in them,especially the front row look out of their depth .Gatland absolutely knows this but who else has he got.
A very tigerish young Welsh team. Going forward they are going to be a great team. Wishing them well in their last two games. They'll get belief after this game. The scoreline flatters Ireland, but Wales had many positives to take away. 🇮🇪🐉
I was at the game, it was an uneasy watch from an Irish point of view . But what wales did well was tackle and made progress from that. But really that was it from Wales I felt. Although for a period I was nervous
I think we did our best to spoil but you guys are so clinical that those tactics only get you so far. The tournament is now your to take. Just please. Stuff England in Twikenham 😂
Defo improving 100%, thought it was more of a good 70 min game today, dropped off the last 10mins. Having said that so many positives and the score line does not reflect the game at all. the defense was immense right up to the last 10 mins so strong, stopping those Irish mauls that they are so good at incredible. I am going to have to mention the ref but i don't mean it as an excuse, but it definitely killed any attack we had and kept the pressure on us for the first half - he was very odd for sure, I mean we all know Ireland live on the edge of offside and he didn't pick one up, but the main issues were first Porter driving in at 45 every scrum and never being seen (odd. because it was so obvious especially as the flanker was at 90 sometimes), but also when ever we had possession in the Irish half the ref was making stuff up, for example not rolling away - when there was no Welsh player on their side of the ruck, one jackal wasn't given because they had cleared out our tackler and apparently your not allowed to jackal when he is still in the ruck, two offsides, two phases after the ruck in open play, not sure how you're allowed to tackle in open play then. Oh and not putting the ball in straight at the scrum....which it wasn't but.....can you tell me a time it was in any of them. I'm not saying that would have given us the game as Ireland were just too strong, but it would have been a closer result if we have had a little more rub of the green at times. All in all , very young team rebuilding and definitely made a good fight of it, I am excited for the next two years to see how they progress , loads of talent, just need time.
Yeah I think you’re comments about the ref are fair. You missed the hooker not throwing in straight once too. He obvs like the sound of his own whistle, interestingly though didn’t really go to his pocket all that much. Like you said we still wouldn’t have won the game but it defo disrupted the general flow of things. Hopefully better things come in the next 2 games 🏴
That's a really accurate assessment of the game. For me, if the forwards have gone through 5 or more phases and made no headway, the half backs should be be given a go. With Adams and Dyer on the wings and good hands in midfield we need to trust the three quarters a bit more. This young side is almost there. Losing narrowly to Scotland and England was better than I expected. Ireland was a game that was always out of reach. Unfortunately that leaves us battles against France and Italy and both look better than us at the moment. Looking forward though, we still have a fair few players out and the youngsters have given a good account of themselves. With a bit more experience we could've been looking at Win Win Loss. Life's never dull with Welsh rugby. Against France we'll need a much better scrum and a bit more invention.
Cheers mate. Much appreciated 👍🏼 Yeah I think we need to try and create something more with the bad. Has though when we’re not getting any front foot ball. I’d like to see them try and push it wide a little earlier. Get Rio and North into the game. I wonder if we will see Grady have a start soon?
Spot on bro. First time viewing As an Irish fan was delighted we got the BP after a 60 % effort Wales lacked in attack but superb in D My immediate thoughts at FW was Ireland happy to get the 4th after dogged Welsh defence but ye lacking any edge in attack .
Yeah I agree with your assessment mate. I think Wales kept the crowd quiet which helped us. It was clear though. Once your boys switched it on we had no answer. Cheers for watching mate. Good luck with the last 2 games
Wales have the talent, young team and good manager. Definitely tidied up in defence, they have been coached well there and maybe it was to keep the scoreline down? But in attack, very blunt but shoots of something there. That will just take time at this level but definitely exciting to see where they will go with it. Always a great matchup between these two.
Yeah maybe damage control from the coaching team but a spirited performance will do the squad a load of good and it’s something to build on going forward 🏴
What I've noticed is that when we get going, we put fantastic pressure teams and force sin bins for all Scotland, England and Ireland games. But then after doing all the hard work, we seem to let it go to our heads and completely fluff golden opportunities by not scoring anything. Our defence for the most part stood up really well to the most dangerous team in the world I believe. They only beat us due to the vast amounts of superior experience and there's no shame in that! It's only been 3 games so far with this new generation and most of them will last 10+ years. Let's give them abit more time to gel.
Yeah I agree. I think it’s a young team that’s why we haven’t been putting the teams to the sword when we’ve had the chance. I think the young guys and Costelow need time to bed and then we can become a top team 🏴
Good balanced video. I like your style 👍 and I was impressed with Wales actually. That defensive effort was imens. Ireland looked a bit off but I put that down to the pressure from Wales. I think Gatland has unearthed a few gems. It will take another season or two but it feels like Wales are moving in the right direction and building something really good. Potential WC contenders? Hard to say but I think there is too much pessimism from some Wales supporters
Thank you mate. That’s much appreciated. Yeah there’s lots of pessimism but I think that’s bread out of our terrible governance. Gatland has always dragged a good team out of 4 poor regions and in fairness I think once again he’s on to something with these young lads 🏴
Well Ireland beat France by 21, have only lost two times in two years both to the all blacks in Eden park and a narrow 4 point loss to an all blacks team that played the game of their best game with zero handling errors at the World Cup where they were the best team of the tournament . The Welsh team is very young and the Irish team let’s be honest is the best in the world. The springboks have the higher rank because of the World Cup but everyone knows Ireland are the number one team there was no shame in that loss to them.
We left a lot of points out there today, Great efforts against a really good team , still proud tonight, I think captain Jenkins was man of match 🏴✅😀👍🏻
Hi Christian, I know we have lost three on the bounce now, but at the end of the day we are a young and new team,this might be the same next year but it can only get better at this present time we are on the low at this moment, I am still backing them this is our team and what is needed is encouragement not negativity. I am with Wales when we win and I'm there when we loose. a few players caught my eye, Cameron Winnet ,Sam Costellow , Alex Mann, Rio Dyer and Makenzie Martin and I thought the big men done well Will Rowlands , Adam Beard and George North. In fairness Ireland are a top team and wish them well its looking like a grand slam for them and deserve it, Lets see what happens in the Italy and France games, catch you soon Take care
It's actually quite sad to see Wales fans reduced to looking for crumbs of comfort after zero from three. The WRFU and the way they have managed the game and the four pro teams is just second rate. I have every admiration for the lads who pull on a red shirt and proceed to produce heroics - they've been doing it collectively for years - but at the end of the day, they are just not good enough right now.
@@RossoVerdeNero bit harsh after all the retirements, this team is a new team, compared to last season, ospreys doing well with 20 injuries, and Cardiff have signed a new south african forwards coach, a lot of that Ireland team have been around for 2 world cups and Leinster for a decade, so to see Wales going toe to toe was a marker, and at 17-7 that second try would have been crucial, but it evaded us, it's finance that's hampering the game but at least we still have 4 regions and there is movement in the right direction, England have lost 3 clubs, but we are keeping our heads above water.
Yeah there was a lot of heart and players did put their hands up. The gulf in class was evident though. Having said that I think there’s so much more to come from these boys so I’m excited to see how the develop over the next few years
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast It's a new team it will take some time but we will get there ,this is my team our team and i'm with them all the way and when we become that team the doubters then end up being the believers when we back on form again and I do believe in Warren Gatland and our boys
As an irish fan i think ire targetted the welsh 10 12 channel. Tompkins is very brave but him and costello are undersized so it was giving us easy yardage. Think the 15 and 6 have great potential but im not sure about costellos potential, also front row options dont look great
Due to the inexperience of the 10s I think they could use a crash ball 12 next to them to give them an option when the team is going backwards and take the pressure off them.
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast tbh I think Keiran Williams should at least get an opportunity theres really not much in it size wise between him and Tompkins I would take him on the australia tour. I agree about Llewelyn I thought he was very promising in that warm up game against England last year
Yeah I like Williams and I’m not a big fan of Tompkins. I just don’t think gats like him because of his size. And I don’t think Gats if fussed in Tomlinson either he’s just has no other real option. Shame J.Williams can’t stay fit and get his head sorted. So much promise but he’s a loose cannon
Been watching wales for years , since about 1984. Modern rugby is a young man’s game , difficulty is addressing the transition from the regions to the international setup . It hasn’t helped that the wru and the regions have not seen eye to eye . Gats talked about strength and conditioning, facilities and coaching being the focus . Overall I think these young guys have shown promise , but there is unfortunately a bit of tactical naivety combined with getting isolated . Hopefully the boys will grow and begin to solve the decision making issues . This all comes with experience , can’t see us living with France , although their discipline has been a problem . Cannot fault the bois effort . Let’s hope we can add a win to the max effort they are putting in .
Yeah I think you’re right I think we hold onto the past generation for too long at the expense of developing some younger players. Now that they’re all gone, we are forced to deal with the consequences of a system that hasn’t really been working right? I think Gats shot at the regions was a little unfair, and I think it is more harm than good with that relationship. That being said, I think we have a decent chance of beating France and Italy. And if we finished the six Nations with two wins, I think that will generally be a success.
Agree. MOTM Aki, ok, but ex-Scarlet Beirne not far behind. Wales attack needs to show more variation, chip kicks, using wide channels, not just pounding away at a solid defense then getting turned over (easy to say, I know, and they deserved points when Wainwright was held up over the line). Great heart from the lads though, and we’re building. George had a good game, Costelow put in some good tackles, our jackalers less present coz the Irish are so good at protecting the ball when in possession
Yeah really good points. I think we need some stability at 10 now to allow who ever it is to start dictating things. Like you said though lots of heart and let’s face it Ireland are the best team in the world and we competed for large parts of that game 🏴
I thought the knock on by henshaw was hard.... that being said there was a blatent forward pass a few phases earlier.. the PT was tough in my opinion Beirne technically did change bind so ok penalise him. But he didnt bring down the maul. Wales had to bring it to ground to score. Anyway the welsh defence was good. It was almost like a zone defence. Then when you think there should be space there are welshmen everywhere with everything covered.
Irish guy here. Wales played with a lot of heart and guts. They made a match of it. I thought they did great with such a young team. They need a bit of time but Gatland has the makings of a good team.
C'mon man , you've got to give the boys a chance their a very young team and I think we've got to expect them to take another season or two to gell , but I have no doubt this these boys will be a world class outfit in a year or two c'mon cymru
Tbf, we have Gats, I put my faith in him to get us back to were we have been in the past under him.. I don't think the Welsh players are actually good enough to play at international level. But if anyone can.. Gats can.
Deserved win for the Irish a really polished performance, but I’m confused with the scrum laws , Porter constantly driving in on the hooker, not once penalised!? Also going beyond the carrier at ruck ,
They got pinged for going beyond the carrier once to my memory but scrum time was all Ireland. Wether that was legal is beyond my knowledge (I played in the wing) but that what the commentary team were saying 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I’ve listened to a rugby podcast today , and they were of the same opinion! Porter was illegal most of the time , it just confuses me the officials didn’t see anything at anytime!! No question the best team won , but it seems a lottery how the officials see it on the day and that’s not good enough
It's good to be positive about your team, and I certainly hope you are moving in the right direction. But Ireland outmuscled and outclassed this Welsh side. Heart doesn't win you games against the big guns.
I agree and you guys didn’t get out of 4th gear but I think our you boys would have learn what it is the be the best team yesterday and I hope they take that back to camp 🤞🏼
Sometimes the Welsh get a bit salty in the comments especially the v Ireland games seen a few across certain videos .. Irish supporter here, loved the Welsh team a few years back when you won the grand slam was dreaming of a cohesion like that.. the Welsh are too proud .. so I understand the frustration sometimes
Great to hear an Irish perspective. I hope o don’t come across salty. It’s just passion for our team. You guys are the best team in the world and we just want to get to that spot. Good luck with the last 2 games 🤙🏼
Ireland are the best team in the world at the moment. Wales are on another 4 year rebuild, with a very young team. Not expected to win but to learn. In comparison to England who have an old, massively experienced team, which is being beaten by mid level teams regularly.
Similar to when Gats was here last time. I think we started ok against England though so maybe if we put it all together we would have a good performance 🏴
Speaking 100% objectively as a Welshman, we lost by 24 points to a team that didn't really get out of 3rd gear. Irish fans need to stop taking the ref having an iffy game as trying to say Wales were going to win - they weren't. Ireland had 15 minutes of 14 men and in that time outscored Wales by 7 points. That's a chasm in class. The Welsh defence was quite good for large parts, they put some pressure on the Irish lineout and (finally!) Andrew Porter got pinged for not driving straight at the scrum. That said, our own scrum was a shambles, our lineout was up and down and the attack so non-existent it's not worth speaking about. Everyone going on about "lots of positives to take" need to have some honesty about where we are as a team - square one, and that's OK. But we're not developing anything, we're not trying to put together any style of play or tactics, it seems like it's just "out work them, try and keep it close." If we lose by 24 points but you could see what we're trying to do or what we're aiming to be, most fans would say, fair enough, it'll take time and there'll be a lot of days like today, but there was none of that yesterday and we shouldn't pretend as though there were. And we need to bin off this concept that "putting in the effort" is worthy of praise when it's less than the bare minimum required to play international rugby.
Ah I’m sorry mate I have to disagree. You’re playing a team that has been 7-8 years in the making against a team with 3-4 player bellow single digit caps. We know where we are as a team and we surely can be proud of a bunch of oaky we who are our there giving 100% because we have seen better Welsh teams role over in the past and these lads refuse to do that. The future is bright in my humble opinion 🏴
First of all Cam Winnet was really good, so he's is getting better Wainright is getting good at playing 8, So two positives there, but the gluf in class was there for all to see In execution, had it not been for heroic tackling we would have shipped 6 7 tries, and yes the effort was fantastic, and these are the games the players need but and France will not be a walk in the park, but this side will not lie down and the effort must be cheered from the rooftops. But there are area's of concern one is our centre partnership North is fine but Tomkins looks like rag doll my Yorkshire Terrier throws and shakes like a demonic beast, we must replace him, the big difference for me was the power in the Irish ball carriers, Wales just don't have enough and that's where Rowlands should start and as good as Raffles is he lacked the power, that Morgan has. And then onto Costelo I just don't think he played well today I would give Lloyd another crack , but are we getting better I would say yes but the danger is just like winning losing becomes a habit and the game against France is an absolute must win for me, so the effort today was heroic the Welsh lads are working incredible hard the spirt is unquestionable , its time now to execute the game plan and put France to the sword because my god they deserve it.
Yeah they do deserve it Clive you're right. I would stick with Costelow now, give him a run and see how it pans out. Agree about the lack of power though it was evident and yeah i'm out on Tompkins again. He's not good enough
Gats has rolled the dice with his selections this 6 nations maybe it's time he did so again with the inside centre position, kieron Williams could be given a chance but maybe think outside the box and play iean Lloyd there, when he was at Bristol he played right across the three quarter line, he,s got both the speed and footwork needed to break the opposition defence plus he would give us a second kicking option . If you remember Wales did this at one time with anscombe and bigger.
You make a very good point, Tomkins is not effective, and agree that would give us another kicking option, and move North to outside centre, George need to be put into space, adLnd Lloyd could do that. @@ChrisDavis-zj8ng
Yeah agreed. I think we’re finding some really solid players and starting to get the makings of a squad. I’m excited for the future if this team 🏴
Nothing you can do if you don't have a functioning front row where our props are poor and underpowered. Put several of the Welsh players in an Irish side and they'd look world beaters.
Yeah the scrum has never been good really since Adam Jones retired an I think it’s going to continue that was for a while though I feel Asseratti has some promise
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Ireland struggled for decades without a decent scrum. The best you can do is scrap out an occasional win until the scrum is competitive. Truth is I don't know how you produce front rows. World class front rows are a scarce resource outside south Africa
Being mostly neutral....I like Wales and have done for some time. The problem with Wales is Gatland. He needs to go! He is a hasbeen with no new ideas or innovation other than changing the rules for reasons that just don't seem justified. Wales are on the up, but in development and just need time ...but with a new coach. ..
As a Welsh fan I’ve been witness to times without Gatland and they have always been way worse than without him. I think he gets the way things are in Wales and manages to find a good team amongst the chaos 🏴
Andrew Porter never scrumaged straight all game. Dan Sheehan's Throws there 90% not straight and some questionable calls by the referee. Wainwrights try was a try not held up aswell unfortunately. There are 3 camera angles showing the ball was down over the line. Think the ref had a shocker. But hey ho nothing we can do know. The boys played their hearts out .. France and Italy up next hopefully we can turn up for them games and maybe sneak a win somewhere. Costelow, Elias. Both had a poor game unfortunately . What's your thoughts on the report about Shaun Edwards might be coming back to Welsh rugby?
Can’t agree about Sheehan throwing straight sorry Rich. As for Edwards coming back. I love the thought of is as we have seen what he’s done with us and France but I think we need to stick with Forshaw now and see whatever that gets us. Another rested of the defensive system will not help this young team in my opinion. What do you think?
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Yea Dan Sheehan's Throws weren't straight dude. 90 % of them were off centre according to the stats I was looking at. In my opinion Forshaw has done a fantastic job and will only get better but I think Shaun Edwards is the best defensive coach in North Hemisphere rugby if not the best in the world. He took Wales from the world cup quarter finals to the semis and 1 point from a world cup final so if there's any chance he can come back we should take it. You have to have the best coaches to become the best players.
Ah sorry Rich I read that completely wrong my bad😬 Yeah I think your point about Edwards is completely right. So what would you bring him in as like a defence coach or like an advisory role?
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I'd keep Forshaw in his role now as Defensive coach but with Shaun Edwards he could be brought in as a Technical Defence coach so he would work out how to beat team and Forshaw and Edwards work together in some way or another. I just think if he's available and he wants to come back then the chance is too big to turn down.
I remember Wales having a whitewash, and won a grand slam a year later, this team got more about them. The ref let furlong get away with all sorts, people need to be patient, we let a few tries out there, and never took our kicks, I think this team will be more suited to playing France, still alot to play for.
Idiots? Very disengenous of you. You just insulted a nation. I'm Irish, please accept my apologies Welsh brothers and sisters. There's always one out there that has no class.
Congrats to Ireland, who thoroughly deserved their victory. Can someone please tell me how Porter is not penalised for not scrummaging square? He seems to get away with it match after match !
He was he was just so powerful the tight head couldn’t the pressure. Porter gets unfairly singled out by refs for just being too powerful in the scrum.
Wales tapped into a number of Irish weaknesses. The line outs were as giddy as ever and they hounded everything in the early second half. They ran out of wind and Ireland's subs changed the direction of the game. Ireland learned an awful lot from this game and if they go on to win the championship they will look back on this game as a watershed
Costelow’s stats while on the pitch playing for Wales against tier one oppo. Games: 8 Points for: 29 Points against: 164 Lloyd’s stats at 10: Games: 2 For: 40 Against: 23 Not saying this is significant, but it’s interesting nonetheless.
It should have been another 20 points to be fair. Wales is a young team but remember you have three of the worlds best consecutive under 20s coming up too. Interesting times
Yes Ireland had Power skill pace, but its 10 years in the making Wales is work in progress but are we producing enough quality players, Costelow for me is not the right choice, but this is the difference Ireland bring in a new 10 and a new 15 and its seamless, because the quality is there.
No 10 is vital as we all know, you only have to look at Finn Russel he's the complete package vision great kicking game reads the game spots the gaps knows the correct options, I like Patchell but just never had a run at 10 through injury, just like Anscombe which is unfortunate, some players take to International rugby like Cam Winnet, Costelow from what I've seen is not international class, I'm prepared to give him time but Lloyd looks the better option.@@stephenthomas9531
Wales got in Irelands 25 the same amount of times Ireland got in to Wales 25 , the difference being Ireland allways came away with points and Wales came away allways with nothing , time and time and time again . They seem only to concentrate at the middle of the 25 . And when they kept going down the middle almost on the line it was only in ones , twos and may be threes , never enough to threaten the line . How about fours , fives or six to really contest that ball and with good coordination with pace and speed and stay on your feet whilst doing it , arent you doing it on the training ground !!!!One wonders the preparation?? And whilst you get in those areas how about lightening passing along the line to the wingers ,varying your game quickly, keep the opposition guessing , when you do the passing down the line stop the interceptions , dropping the ball , knocking it forward , stop making mistakes all of the time . Let's have a match with MISTAKE FREE just like the ALL Blacks & Ireland . Let's also have a game of less of the kicking and more of some inventive running skills , why keep kick possession away , wont that send the wrong signals to the opposition that your afraid to take them on !
I thank that’s a fair point. There’s no real excuse at this level for bad basic skills. Poor passes and drops shouldn’t be happening as often. We are struggling to get over the Cai line consistently though and that’s forcing us to kick a lot. We lack some big ball carriers but I think the team is improving and will continue to do so over then next few years 🏴
I talked that as a good sign. I am old enough to remember Ireland was doing every but scoring when in 22. Scotland was there a few years ago. In some ways thAt is the last piece of puzzle to fall into place
I think the Welsh need a radical reassessment of where they are. All teams have the opportunity to bring younger players through in a gradual way. Some do it better than others. The Welsh relied upon the old stalwarts for far too long, and now they are faced with fielding a team with loads of spirit but little experience and an inability to grind out a result. The WRFU seem to have no long-term thinking. Having said all that, maybe it's too much to ask the international team to keep producing more than the sum of the parts. Lets face it, the four Welsh pro teams are not competitive at the top end of the URC, so how can they expect to turn out in a red shirt and perform miracles? In today's game, they overperformed but still lost by 24 points. It's at the grass roots and in the four pro teams that feed the national team where the problems lie. As things stand, all the optimism about the spirit and fight of the team is just hot air. They are miles off competing for a Six Nations title, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Glorious failure is still failure. By the way, maybe it was just a slip on the keyboard, but you do realise it was Ireland v Wales today, not Wales v Ireland?
No, no slip Ross. This is a channel predominantly about Wales so I always put Wales first. Overall you are right. The national team has always over performed and the pathways haven’t been right to get younger players more chances. I’m hoping the new WRU board will be able to slowly steady the ship over time and try to get things in a better state. I think a lot of the positivity comes from the fact that the Welsh rugby public are an intelligent one and understand exactly where we are at the moment and are happy with how the team is fighting and for every minute. Let’s be honest we’ve seen better Welsh teams role over in the past and these guys are refusing to do so. I for one am positive for the future of this team
Wales lack of a quality 10 raised its ugly head.. lineout for Wales went well defence very organised dyer and Welsh fullback played well but lack of vision at 10 especially when Wales twice on ire try line with penalty advantage after forwards had done the job committing Irish defence making their defence narrow resulting in lots of space either side of Irish posts and still costelow not demanding the ball to put in either cross field kick or move ball through hands to score try.. Wales big big problem is someone at 10 to control and dictate Wales attack .. heads up rugby for goodness sake .. I'm mentioning biggar again but we all know what would have happened had biggar been in those 2 try scoring opportunities when Wales were on ire try line
Yeah I agree. There were times when I was expecting Costelow to demand the ball and take charge but he didnt. Maybe he will grow into the shirt, he's still very young and he's our best option atm
Yes, and big boots to fill with Biggar gone. Young lad who is still learning and blows hot and cold still. Watched him against Sale a few months ago, when he absolutely had George Ford - so big potential.
Early days but moving forward. Be good to get Morgan and Lake back asap. Adams needs a Biggar . Winnet very good and brave. Wainwright filling TF's shoes nicely. Dyer runs and runs . North and Tompkins great partners but worry how long North can go on. We also need a new sheriff in town and Feyi-Waboso must think he's made a mistake.
@@chriswalford9228 agree with what you say and the ideal 10 and replacement for North as a hard running centre is Joe Hawkins and jarrod Evans at 10 but oh wait ? WRU 25 cap rule insanity strikes again leaving 2 quality players now playing in eng unavailable for Wales who already struggle with strength in depth.. Wales have the talent and a conveyor belt of youngsters with talent coming through from 7nder 16 to under 18 level every year but player pathway in Wales is just not capable of accommodating them for development.. wru thought farming them out to the semi pro premiership league would bridge the gap between club and regional level but it doesn't.. there's just not enough room at the top level with effectively only 4 clubs who also buy in players who are not even qualified to play for Wales resulting in gatland selecting some Welsh boys who don't even start for their regions... meanwhile young players like Evans and hawkins secure their rugby financial security playing across the border resulting in instantly unavailable for Welsh squad already struggling with depth.. the WRU circus continues..
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As an Irishman , I thought your comments were fair and balanced. Both teams can learn lessons going forward from that game. Keep up the good work!
Ahhh that’s mate. Much appreciated. Yeah I think right and I think you guys have this thing sewn up so good luck with your last 2 games ☘️
Dude, the Welsh guys are certainly getting better, at least there is a plan in place for developing a team, as an English fan, I wish we had the same vision to look to the future. Ireland are just class, they will be leaders for some time.
Yeh agree mate. Actually really glad he’s just gone and started from scratch and you can already see the green shoots 🏴
Irish fan here,really good assessment of game ,think eventually your effort will pay off
Ahhh that’s mate. Much appreciated. Yeah we have a young team and can only learn by playing the best. Good luck with the last 2 games ☘️
Very interesting and balanced assessment. Wales could not have been more hardworking and brave. Effort can only take you so far
Thanks mate. Much appreciated. Yeah I agree but I think this team is growing and will develop fast. Looking forward to the future 🏴
Very fair assessment of the match well done .Irish Fan
Thanks mate. Good luck with your last two games. I think you have it in the bag ☘️
You're bang on about North, I thought he was excellent and took multiple tacklers to be brought to ground in a very busy showing
Yeah he was great wasn’t he. It’s just a shame he wasn’t getting any space to operate. Hopefully against France we can get him some more ball 🤞🏼
The difference was really clear in attack. Wales are fine with a phase 1/set piece possession, but as soon as we leave the playbook, we look lost. Ireland play to patterns drilled into them from schoolboy level. So they know "instinctively' how to make sure the ballcarrier has support and to form an option behind
So true. It’s evident that Sexton went and Crowley slotted straight in without breaking stride 👏🏼
I think there were so many penalties by wales they were very lucky to get away without a yellow card. But welsh defence was excellent and a good platform to work off .
Yeah I agree. I said to my wife after 20 mins. “We’re getting a card and second now” see didn’t seam to care as much as me strangely enough 😂(she doesn’t like rugby) but he ye were lucky in that aspect
I think you're assesment that NONE of Sheehan's throw in were straight was exaggerated. Referee spoiled the match, loved his whistle
I think you’re right about the referee. I’ve thought this about this man for a while. It’s as if he received a new whistle for Christmas. This is not to say he had an effect on the result. I feared that the result would be worse. But I do love the way referees lecture the front rows, as if they know what’s going on. In this case, given the build of the referee, I imagine that he would have given the widest berth possible.
On a wider point, I had a manager, a long time ago, who argued that if different people are making the same mistake, time and again, it’s the instructions that are wrong. World Rugby mantra seems to be ‘Let the game flow’ and they keep introducing amendments to make this possible. Referees don’t seem to understand this. Blatant foul play must be punished . Fiddly little things spoil the game. During one game in the autumn I conducted an admittedly unscientific survey. Using a five bar gate system I counted the number of times the referee blew his whistle FOR ALL REASONS. I abandoned this at half time, a half which I timed was 48 minutes long. The result was 39 times. I ask you? Thirty nine times in 48 minutes. Is this what they mean by letting the game flow.
Maybe one or two were straight 👀
As an Irish fan, I'm happy with the result and commented after the game that Wales have been the only team that have given real competition to Ireland so far in this 6N. As a young team, they have a great future ahead of them. You mentioned discipline but Ireland were possibly worse than Wales ! It was a very open game and penalties and dropped balls were all over the place. The only thing is, Ireland are just relentless, they have a goal and they go for it, illustrated by that 82nd minute bonus point try. Wales did brilliantly for the yellow card periods in the 2nd half. I can only say these Welsh young lads have a bright future and might well be coming good for the next World Cup. Also it didn't feel like a 31-7 win. So well done Wales.
Yeah your relentless comment is so spot on. We were brave but when you guys needed it you put us to the sword and that is a sign of a great team 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
As an irish fan i can say well done to wales. Welsh fellas will always run themselves to a standstill. Add a few more playwrs and sort the set piece and theres a decent team in the makjng. See ye next year in Cardiff. 🇮🇪
Cheers mate. I really do think so too. Good luck in your last 2 games ☘️
I was at the game. the scoreline totally flattered us. The Welsh
defence was eminence. hopefully ye have the future Gatland predicts
Thanks mate. I think you guys are just so clinical you can turn it on when you really need it
In Warren we trust 👍 🏴🏴
He’s the man
I had a conversation about Pivac earlier and thought he had a bit of a rough deal, he was very quick ball and with this young team he could of done something. I wish i could create 2 timelines one with gats and one with pivac at the wheel and see how it played out 😂 we are improving imo, we didn't lay down today, the last try absolutely got me annoyed tho 😂
Ha ha I dunno about that. I think he could decide who he wanted to select. Always chopping and changing and never settled on a game plan. For me Gats gets so much more out of lesser players than most coaches 🤷🏻♂️
@TheWelshSportsPodcast I would put money on the gats timeline too, i just thought Pivac did really well for the scarlets with some new players. Pivac didn't stand a chance after the Italy win
I think he bay lacked a bit of direction and a clear idea of what we were doing
I think this Wales team are standing up for themselves and given the extreme lack of experience compared with others they’re doing ok. We’ll see results out of them in time if they can organise the support play.
Ireland are the opposite in terms of experience and just so impressive! They’re a level above the other 6N teams at the moment.
Yeah I think you’re completely right. I think if this team continues to develop then we will be fine in a year or 2
God I hope so- my first Wales game also. I have to say Wales are my favourite team after Ireland. The Welsh anthem is unreal , it was appreciated by the whole stadium. Those guys are so young you would have to think they will be a force in a few seasons
Yeh they are learning and as a proud Welshman I really appreciate you saying at bay about or anthem. It give me spine ticklers every time even now 😂☘️🏴
Wales did exactly what i expected them to do and they did it well , plenty of heart and the foundations of a great side and exactly the game we needed before facing Eng , down to 14 men for 20 mins and technically denied any Welshman from crossing the line apart from the penalty try which was influenced by the Scot/ Fran debacle . All in all a very enjoyable second half and actually created a bit of atmosphere in the Aviva with a very spirited defence from Wales .
Yeah I think Wales gave a good account of themselves. Ireland are just a different class to everyone atm
I think we are improving in some areas,but sadly our front five are not good enough and I honestly don’t see improvement in them,especially the front row look out of their depth .Gatland absolutely knows this but who else has he got.
Yeah front row is a concern but like you said. What’s the answer🤷🏻♂️ I don’t know
A very tigerish young Welsh team. Going forward they are going to be a great team. Wishing them well in their last two games. They'll get belief after this game. The scoreline flatters Ireland, but Wales had many positives to take away. 🇮🇪🐉
Thanks mate. I think so too. Good luck to you guys aswel 👍🏼☘️
I was at the game, it was an uneasy watch from an Irish point of view . But what wales did well was tackle and made progress from that. But really that was it from Wales I felt. Although for a period I was nervous
I think we did our best to spoil but you guys are so clinical that those tactics only get you so far. The tournament is now your to take. Just please. Stuff England in Twikenham 😂
Defo improving 100%, thought it was more of a good 70 min game today, dropped off the last 10mins. Having said that so many positives and the score line does not reflect the game at all. the defense was immense right up to the last 10 mins so strong, stopping those Irish mauls that they are so good at incredible.
I am going to have to mention the ref but i don't mean it as an excuse, but it definitely killed any attack we had and kept the pressure on us for the first half - he was very odd for sure, I mean we all know Ireland live on the edge of offside and he didn't pick one up, but the main issues were first Porter driving in at 45 every scrum and never being seen (odd. because it was so obvious especially as the flanker was at 90 sometimes), but also when ever we had possession in the Irish half the ref was making stuff up, for example not rolling away - when there was no Welsh player on their side of the ruck, one jackal wasn't given because they had cleared out our tackler and apparently your not allowed to jackal when he is still in the ruck, two offsides, two phases after the ruck in open play, not sure how you're allowed to tackle in open play then. Oh and not putting the ball in straight at the scrum....which it wasn't but.....can you tell me a time it was in any of them.
I'm not saying that would have given us the game as Ireland were just too strong, but it would have been a closer result if we have had a little more rub of the green at times.
All in all , very young team rebuilding and definitely made a good fight of it, I am excited for the next two years to see how they progress , loads of talent, just need time.
Yeah I think you’re comments about the ref are fair. You missed the hooker not throwing in straight once too. He obvs like the sound of his own whistle, interestingly though didn’t really go to his pocket all that much.
Like you said we still wouldn’t have won the game but it defo disrupted the general flow of things. Hopefully better things come in the next 2 games 🏴
Much respect my Celtic brother. Wouldn't surprise anyone to see Wales winning the championship in 2 or 3 years time. There is something there.
Thanks mate. Good luck with the next 2 games. See you in Cardiff next year 💪🏼😂
That's a really accurate assessment of the game. For me, if the forwards have gone through 5 or more phases and made no headway, the half backs should be be given a go. With Adams and Dyer on the wings and good hands in midfield we need to trust the three quarters a bit more. This young side is almost there. Losing narrowly to Scotland and England was better than I expected. Ireland was a game that was always out of reach. Unfortunately that leaves us battles against France and Italy and both look better than us at the moment. Looking forward though, we still have a fair few players out and the youngsters have given a good account of themselves. With a bit more experience we could've been looking at Win Win Loss. Life's never dull with Welsh rugby. Against France we'll need a much better scrum and a bit more invention.
Cheers mate. Much appreciated 👍🏼
Yeah I think we need to try and create something more with the bad. Has though when we’re not getting any front foot ball. I’d like to see them try and push it wide a little earlier. Get Rio and North into the game. I wonder if we will see Grady have a start soon?
They will be a very good team before too long, let's see how the two remaining matches go France/ Italy great analysis Christian.
Thanks David. Very kind of you to say. I hope you stick around with me for those next 2 games 👍🏼🏴
Spot on bro. First time viewing As an Irish fan was delighted we got the BP after a 60 % effort Wales lacked in attack but superb in D
My immediate thoughts at FW was Ireland happy to get the 4th after dogged Welsh defence but ye lacking any edge in attack .
Yeah I agree with your assessment mate. I think Wales kept the crowd quiet which helped us. It was clear though. Once your boys switched it on we had no answer. Cheers for watching mate. Good luck with the last 2 games
Wales have the talent, young team and good manager. Definitely tidied up in defence, they have been coached well there and maybe it was to keep the scoreline down?
But in attack, very blunt but shoots of something there. That will just take time at this level but definitely exciting to see where they will go with it.
Always a great matchup between these two.
Yeah maybe damage control from the coaching team but a spirited performance will do the squad a load of good and it’s something to build on going forward 🏴
What I've noticed is that when we get going, we put fantastic pressure teams and force sin bins for all Scotland, England and Ireland games. But then after doing all the hard work, we seem to let it go to our heads and completely fluff golden opportunities by not scoring anything.
Our defence for the most part stood up really well to the most dangerous team in the world I believe. They only beat us due to the vast amounts of superior experience and there's no shame in that!
It's only been 3 games so far with this new generation and most of them will last 10+ years. Let's give them abit more time to gel.
Yeah I agree. I think it’s a young team that’s why we haven’t been putting the teams to the sword when we’ve had the chance. I think the young guys and Costelow need time to bed and then we can become a top team 🏴
Good balanced video. I like your style 👍 and I was impressed with Wales actually. That defensive effort was imens. Ireland looked a bit off but I put that down to the pressure from Wales. I think Gatland has unearthed a few gems. It will take another season or two but it feels like Wales are moving in the right direction and building something really good. Potential WC contenders? Hard to say but I think there is too much pessimism from some Wales supporters
Thank you mate. That’s much appreciated. Yeah there’s lots of pessimism but I think that’s bread out of our terrible governance. Gatland has always dragged a good team out of 4 poor regions and in fairness I think once again he’s on to something with these young lads 🏴
This was an excellent game for building Wales up for the next game
I hope so mate. Let’s hope we take lots of learning from it 🏴
Well Ireland beat France by 21, have only lost two times in two years both to the all blacks in Eden park and a narrow 4 point loss to an all blacks team that played the game of their best game with zero handling errors at the World Cup where they were the best team of the tournament . The Welsh team is very young and the Irish team let’s be honest is the best in the world. The springboks have the higher rank because of the World Cup but everyone knows Ireland are the number one team there was no shame in that loss to them.
Completely agree mate. Both teams are in completely different places. To be fair to Ireland there a class above everyone
We left a lot of points out there today, Great efforts against a really good team , still proud tonight, I think captain Jenkins was man of match 🏴✅😀👍🏻
Yeah effort was undeniable Ton. Jenkins workfare was tremendous to be fair 🏴
Hi Christian, I know we have lost three on the bounce now, but at the end of the day we are a young and new team,this might be the same next year but it can only get better at this present time we are on the low at this moment, I am still backing them this is our team and what is needed is encouragement not negativity. I am with Wales when we win and I'm there when we loose. a few players caught my eye, Cameron Winnet ,Sam Costellow , Alex Mann, Rio Dyer and Makenzie Martin and I thought the big men done well Will Rowlands , Adam Beard and George North. In fairness Ireland are a top team and wish them well its looking like a grand slam for them and deserve it, Lets see what happens in the Italy and France games, catch you soon Take care
It's actually quite sad to see Wales fans reduced to looking for crumbs of comfort after zero from three. The WRFU and the way they have managed the game and the four pro teams is just second rate. I have every admiration for the lads who pull on a red shirt and proceed to produce heroics - they've been doing it collectively for years - but at the end of the day, they are just not good enough right now.
@@RossoVerdeNero bit harsh after all the retirements, this team is a new team, compared to last season, ospreys doing well with 20 injuries, and Cardiff have signed a new south african forwards coach, a lot of that Ireland team have been around for 2 world cups and Leinster for a decade, so to see Wales going toe to toe was a marker, and at 17-7 that second try would have been crucial, but it evaded us, it's finance that's hampering the game but at least we still have 4 regions and there is movement in the right direction, England have lost 3 clubs, but we are keeping our heads above water.
Yeah there was a lot of heart and players did put their hands up. The gulf in class was evident though. Having said that I think there’s so much more to come from these boys so I’m excited to see how the develop over the next few years
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast It's a new team it will take some time but we will get there ,this is my team our team and i'm with them all the way and when we become that team the doubters then end up being the believers when we back on form again and I do believe in Warren Gatland and our boys
Im there with you Shaun as always mate. Passion and pride 🏴💙
As an irish fan i think ire targetted the welsh 10 12 channel. Tompkins is very brave but him and costello are undersized so it was giving us easy yardage. Think the 15 and 6 have great potential but im not sure about costellos potential, also front row options dont look great
Due to the inexperience of the 10s I think they could use a crash ball 12 next to them to give them an option when the team is going backwards and take the pressure off them.
Yeah I agree. Shame Llewelyn isn’t getting any rugby atm
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast tbh I think Keiran Williams should at least get an opportunity theres really not much in it size wise between him and Tompkins I would take him on the australia tour. I agree about Llewelyn I thought he was very promising in that warm up game against England last year
Yeah I like Williams and I’m not a big fan of Tompkins. I just don’t think gats like him because of his size.
And I don’t think Gats if fussed in Tomlinson either he’s just has no other real option. Shame J.Williams can’t stay fit and get his head sorted. So much promise but he’s a loose cannon
Is the problem for Wales more reflected in the under 20s resuult
What do you mean?
Been watching wales for years , since about 1984. Modern rugby is a young man’s game , difficulty is addressing the transition from the regions to the international setup . It hasn’t helped that the wru and the regions have not seen eye to eye . Gats talked about strength and conditioning, facilities and coaching being the focus . Overall I think these young guys have shown promise , but there is unfortunately a bit of tactical naivety combined with getting isolated . Hopefully the boys will grow and begin to solve the decision making issues . This all comes with experience , can’t see us living with France , although their discipline has been a problem . Cannot fault the bois effort . Let’s hope we can add a win to the max effort they are putting in .
Yeah I think you’re right I think we hold onto the past generation for too long at the expense of developing some younger players.
Now that they’re all gone, we are forced to deal with the consequences of a system that hasn’t really been working right?
I think Gats shot at the regions was a little unfair, and I think it is more harm than good with that relationship.
That being said, I think we have a decent chance of beating France and Italy. And if we finished the six Nations with two wins, I think that will generally be a success.
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast agreed , hopefully this side will get a win soon . Be great if they could get it against France
I think we have a shot 😬🏴
Agree. MOTM Aki, ok, but ex-Scarlet Beirne not far behind. Wales attack needs to show more variation, chip kicks, using wide channels, not just pounding away at a solid defense then getting turned over (easy to say, I know, and they deserved points when Wainwright was held up over the line). Great heart from the lads though, and we’re building. George had a good game, Costelow put in some good tackles, our jackalers less present coz the Irish are so good at protecting the ball when in possession
Yeah really good points. I think we need some stability at 10 now to allow who ever it is to start dictating things. Like you said though lots of heart and let’s face it Ireland are the best team in the world and we competed for large parts of that game 🏴
Patchell is looking good for the Highlanders I think he has to come back in if he returns when his contract ends.
Yeah that’s pass he threw was lovely 🥹
I thought the knock on by henshaw was hard.... that being said there was a blatent forward pass a few phases earlier.. the PT was tough in my opinion Beirne technically did change bind so ok penalise him. But he didnt bring down the maul. Wales had to bring it to ground to score. Anyway the welsh defence was good. It was almost like a zone defence. Then when you think there should be space there are welshmen everywhere with everything covered.
Irish guy here. Wales played with a lot of heart and guts. They made a match of it. I thought they did great with such a young team. They need a bit of time but Gatland has the makings of a good team.
Thanks mate. Yeah I agree👍🏼 Good luck in the last 2 games
C'mon man , you've got to give the boys a chance their a very young team and I think we've got to expect them to take another season or two to gell , but I have no doubt this these boys will be a world class outfit in a year or two c'mon cymru
I wasn’t being critical. I was just reflecting on where we are atm
Tbf, we have Gats, I put my faith in him to get us back to were we have been in the past under him.. I don't think the Welsh players are actually good enough to play at international level. But if anyone can.. Gats can.
I think there is a few young guys who could be really decent. A few key spots though 3,10 and 12 are not our strongest
Deserved win for the Irish a really polished performance, but I’m confused with the scrum laws , Porter constantly driving in on the hooker, not once penalised!? Also going beyond the carrier at ruck ,
They got pinged for going beyond the carrier once to my memory but scrum time was all Ireland. Wether that was legal is beyond my knowledge (I played in the wing) but that what the commentary team were saying 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I’ve listened to a rugby podcast today , and they were of the same opinion! Porter was illegal most of the time , it just confuses me the officials didn’t see anything at anytime!! No question the best team won , but it seems a lottery how the officials see it on the day and that’s not good enough
It's good to be positive about your team, and I certainly hope you are moving in the right direction. But Ireland outmuscled and outclassed this Welsh side. Heart doesn't win you games against the big guns.
I agree and you guys didn’t get out of 4th gear but I think our you boys would have learn what it is the be the best team yesterday and I hope they take that back to camp 🤞🏼
Sometimes the Welsh get a bit salty in the comments especially the v Ireland games seen a few across certain videos .. Irish supporter here, loved the Welsh team a few years back when you won the grand slam was dreaming of a cohesion like that.. the Welsh are too proud .. so I understand the frustration sometimes
Great to hear an Irish perspective. I hope o don’t come across salty. It’s just passion for our team. You guys are the best team in the world and we just want to get to that spot. Good luck with the last 2 games 🤙🏼
Ireland are the best team in the world at the moment.
Wales are on another 4 year rebuild, with a very young team. Not expected to win but to learn.
In comparison to England who have an old, massively experienced team, which is being beaten by mid level teams regularly.
England have the ability to win a World Cup with that team. That’s the funny thing!
Yeah I think we’re in a decent spot for the turn over we have had. Let’s see what their like in a year 🏴
@@LeMerch But that's the problem. They can't. And, the current team will mostly be retired by the next world cup.
We need to turn up at kickoff, we are becoming a second half team. All uphill then.
Similar to when Gats was here last time. I think we started ok against England though so maybe if we put it all together we would have a good performance 🏴
Could have won it. Next year if they keep with this team...a few tweaks...get the old out now and build. Thank for the podcast mate
Thank you for sticking with me mate. Love chatting to people in the comments 👌🏼
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast always butty
If I was a betting man and I'm not, I'd put some money on a Welsh GS in two years or so!
I like the sounds of that mate 👌🏼😂
I'll have some of what you're on, mate... 😂
Same 😂👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Speaking 100% objectively as a Welshman, we lost by 24 points to a team that didn't really get out of 3rd gear. Irish fans need to stop taking the ref having an iffy game as trying to say Wales were going to win - they weren't. Ireland had 15 minutes of 14 men and in that time outscored Wales by 7 points. That's a chasm in class. The Welsh defence was quite good for large parts, they put some pressure on the Irish lineout and (finally!) Andrew Porter got pinged for not driving straight at the scrum. That said, our own scrum was a shambles, our lineout was up and down and the attack so non-existent it's not worth speaking about. Everyone going on about "lots of positives to take" need to have some honesty about where we are as a team - square one, and that's OK. But we're not developing anything, we're not trying to put together any style of play or tactics, it seems like it's just "out work them, try and keep it close." If we lose by 24 points but you could see what we're trying to do or what we're aiming to be, most fans would say, fair enough, it'll take time and there'll be a lot of days like today, but there was none of that yesterday and we shouldn't pretend as though there were. And we need to bin off this concept that "putting in the effort" is worthy of praise when it's less than the bare minimum required to play international rugby.
Ah I’m sorry mate I have to disagree. You’re playing a team that has been 7-8 years in the making against a team with 3-4 player bellow single digit caps. We know where we are as a team and we surely can be proud of a bunch of oaky we who are our there giving 100% because we have seen better Welsh teams role over in the past and these lads refuse to do that. The future is bright in my humble opinion 🏴
First of all Cam Winnet was really good, so he's is getting better Wainright is getting good at playing 8, So two positives there, but the gluf in class was there for all to see In execution, had it not been for heroic tackling we would have shipped 6 7 tries, and yes the effort was fantastic, and these are the games the players need but and France will not be a walk in the park, but this side will not lie down and the effort must be cheered from the rooftops.
But there are area's of concern one is our centre partnership North is fine but Tomkins looks like rag doll my Yorkshire Terrier throws and shakes like a demonic beast, we must replace him, the big difference for me was the power in the Irish ball carriers, Wales just don't have enough and that's where Rowlands should start and as good as Raffles is he lacked the power, that Morgan has.
And then onto Costelo I just don't think he played well today I would give Lloyd another crack , but are we getting better I would say yes but the danger is just like winning losing becomes a habit and the game against France is an absolute must win for me, so the effort today was heroic the Welsh lads are working incredible hard the spirt is unquestionable , its time now to execute the game plan and put France to the sword because my god they deserve it.
Yeah they do deserve it Clive you're right. I would stick with Costelow now, give him a run and see how it pans out. Agree about the lack of power though it was evident and yeah i'm out on Tompkins again. He's not good enough
Gats has rolled the dice with his selections this 6 nations maybe it's time he did so again with the inside centre position, kieron Williams could be given a chance but maybe think outside the box and play iean Lloyd there, when he was at Bristol he played right across the three quarter line, he,s got both the speed and footwork needed to break the opposition defence plus he would give us a second kicking option . If you remember Wales did this at one time with anscombe and bigger.
You make a very good point, Tomkins is not effective, and agree that would give us another kicking option, and move North to outside centre, George need to be put into space, adLnd Lloyd could do that. @@ChrisDavis-zj8ng
If that's all you've got then yes
It was Ireland v Wales. Not Wales v Ireland, as is shown in your title…..
I understand this. It’s just this is a channel that focuses mainly on Wales so I always put them first in my titles 🏴
@@TheWelshSportsPodcastSorry, I couldn’t really get the tongue in cheek aspect of that comment across 🤣
No probs mate. It’s hard in a comment 😂💙
Wales got a lot out of that game. They are rebuilding for the next rwc. They need to find abgreat 23. Long way to go
Yeah agreed. I think we’re finding some really solid players and starting to get the makings of a squad. I’m excited for the future if this team 🏴
Nothing you can do if you don't have a functioning front row where our props are poor and underpowered. Put several of the Welsh players in an Irish side and they'd look world beaters.
Correct Ireland would be happy to have many of these young guys in development.
Ireland could seriously improve what those players have
Yeah the scrum has never been good really since Adam Jones retired an I think it’s going to continue that was for a while though I feel Asseratti has some promise
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Ireland struggled for decades without a decent scrum. The best you can do is scrap out an occasional win until the scrum is competitive.
Truth is I don't know how you produce front rows. World class front rows are a scarce resource outside south Africa
Being mostly neutral....I like Wales and have done for some time. The problem with Wales is Gatland. He needs to go! He is a hasbeen with no new ideas or innovation other than changing the rules for reasons that just don't seem justified. Wales are on the up, but in development and just need time ...but with a new coach. ..
As a Welsh fan I’ve been witness to times without Gatland and they have always been way worse than without him. I think he gets the way things are in Wales and manages to find a good team amongst the chaos 🏴
Andrew Porter never scrumaged straight all game. Dan Sheehan's Throws there 90% not straight and some questionable calls by the referee. Wainwrights try was a try not held up aswell unfortunately. There are 3 camera angles showing the ball was down over the line. Think the ref had a shocker. But hey ho nothing we can do know. The boys played their hearts out .. France and Italy up next hopefully we can turn up for them games and maybe sneak a win somewhere. Costelow, Elias. Both had a poor game unfortunately .
What's your thoughts on the report about Shaun Edwards might be coming back to Welsh rugby?
Can’t agree about Sheehan throwing straight sorry Rich. As for Edwards coming back. I love the thought of is as we have seen what he’s done with us and France but I think we need to stick with Forshaw now and see whatever that gets us. Another rested of the defensive system will not help this young team in my opinion. What do you think?
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Yea Dan Sheehan's Throws weren't straight dude. 90 % of them were off centre according to the stats I was looking at. In my opinion Forshaw has done a fantastic job and will only get better but I think Shaun Edwards is the best defensive coach in North Hemisphere rugby if not the best in the world. He took Wales from the world cup quarter finals to the semis and 1 point from a world cup final so if there's any chance he can come back we should take it. You have to have the best coaches to become the best players.
Ah sorry Rich I read that completely wrong my bad😬
Yeah I think your point about Edwards is completely right. So what would you bring him in as like a defence coach or like an advisory role?
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I'd keep Forshaw in his role now as Defensive coach but with Shaun Edwards he could be brought in as a Technical Defence coach so he would work out how to beat team and Forshaw and Edwards work together in some way or another. I just think if he's available and he wants to come back then the chance is too big to turn down.
Yeah I’d tend to agree. Maybe they can loan him out to the regions to give them a hand then 😂
I remember Wales having a whitewash, and won a grand slam a year later, this team got more about them.
The ref let furlong get away with all sorts, people need to be patient, we let a few tries out there, and never took our kicks, I think this team will be more suited to playing France, still alot to play for.
Agreed mate. There’s defo the bones of a good team out there. We just need time
Gatland hates Ireland because we sacked him now when we beat the idiots he makes excuses 😅😅
I may sound a bit sour it's not wales I like our 4 nations it's gatland is my problem
Idiots? Very disengenous of you. You just insulted a nation. I'm Irish, please accept my apologies Welsh brothers and sisters. There's always one out there that has no class.
Congrats to Ireland, who thoroughly deserved their victory. Can someone please tell me how Porter is not penalised for not scrummaging square? He seems to get away with it match after match !
He got penalised in the world Cup every scrum,even sometimes unfairly,
He was he was just so powerful the tight head couldn’t the pressure. Porter gets unfairly singled out by refs for just being too powerful in the scrum.
Yeah I’m not to sure. It’s something Nigel Owens picked up on too so I would agree with his judgment 🤷🏻♂️
Wales tapped into a number of Irish weaknesses. The line outs were as giddy as ever and they hounded everything in the early second half. They ran out of wind and Ireland's subs changed the direction of the game. Ireland learned an awful lot from this game and if they go on to win the championship they will look back on this game as a watershed
Very true. It also just showed how you guys have another couple of gears you can go to when needed. They did what they needed to get the job done 👏🏼
Costelow’s stats while on the pitch playing for Wales against tier one oppo.
Games: 8
Points for: 29
Points against: 164
Lloyd’s stats at 10:
Games: 2
For: 40
Against: 23
Not saying this is significant, but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Slightly skewed for Lloyd with that Scotland 2nd half
Not sure I get the points against part.
Not sure those figures add up 🏴👍🏻
the ref gave wales a 14 point differential, sorry wales were terrible.
No to sure about that but fair enough 🤷🏻♂️
You didnt get humiliated by ireland but yee were bet by 23 points
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Ireland were not playing anywhere near their best
Yeah agreed. They clearly had another couple of gears if they needed
It should have been another 20 points to be fair. Wales is a young team but remember you have three of the worlds best consecutive under 20s coming up too. Interesting times
Comfort for Ireland but the lack of skill and pace from Wales is a big worry.
Yeh and lacking power too
Yes Ireland had Power skill pace, but its 10 years in the making Wales is work in progress but are we producing enough quality players, Costelow for me is not the right choice, but this is the difference Ireland bring in a new 10 and a new 15 and its seamless, because the quality is there.
@@clivesilver463 Watching Patchell this morning how much we miss a controlling 10. The sooner we get the right systems in place, the better we'll be
Patchel is looking good to be fair 👌🏼
No 10 is vital as we all know, you only have to look at Finn Russel he's the complete package vision great kicking game reads the game spots the gaps knows the correct options, I like Patchell but just never had a run at 10 through injury, just like Anscombe which is unfortunate, some players take to International rugby like Cam Winnet, Costelow from what I've seen is not international class, I'm prepared to give him time but Lloyd looks the better option.@@stephenthomas9531
Wales got in Irelands 25 the same amount of times Ireland got in to Wales 25 , the difference being Ireland allways came away with points and Wales came away allways with nothing , time and time and time again . They seem only to concentrate at the middle of the 25 . And when they kept going down the middle almost on the line it was only in ones , twos and may be threes , never enough to threaten the line . How about fours , fives or six to really contest that ball and with good coordination with pace and speed and stay on your feet whilst doing it , arent you doing it on the training ground !!!!One wonders the preparation?? And whilst you get in those areas how about lightening passing along the line to the wingers ,varying your game quickly, keep the opposition guessing , when you do the passing down the line stop the interceptions , dropping the ball , knocking it forward , stop making mistakes all of the time . Let's have a match with MISTAKE FREE just like the ALL Blacks & Ireland . Let's also have a game of less of the kicking and more of some inventive running skills , why keep kick possession away , wont that send the wrong signals to the opposition that your afraid to take them on !
I thank that’s a fair point. There’s no real excuse at this level for bad basic skills. Poor passes and drops shouldn’t be happening as often.
We are struggling to get over the Cai line consistently though and that’s forcing us to kick a lot. We lack some big ball carriers but I think the team is improving and will continue to do so over then next few years 🏴
I talked that as a good sign. I am old enough to remember Ireland was doing every but scoring when in 22.
Scotland was there a few years ago.
In some ways thAt is the last piece of puzzle to fall into place
I think the Welsh need a radical reassessment of where they are. All teams have the opportunity to bring younger players through in a gradual way. Some do it better than others. The Welsh relied upon the old stalwarts for far too long, and now they are faced with fielding a team with loads of spirit but little experience and an inability to grind out a result. The WRFU seem to have no long-term thinking. Having said all that, maybe it's too much to ask the international team to keep producing more than the sum of the parts. Lets face it, the four Welsh pro teams are not competitive at the top end of the URC, so how can they expect to turn out in a red shirt and perform miracles? In today's game, they overperformed but still lost by 24 points. It's at the grass roots and in the four pro teams that feed the national team where the problems lie. As things stand, all the optimism about the spirit and fight of the team is just hot air. They are miles off competing for a Six Nations title, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Glorious failure is still failure.
By the way, maybe it was just a slip on the keyboard, but you do realise it was Ireland v Wales today, not Wales v Ireland?
No, no slip Ross. This is a channel predominantly about Wales so I always put Wales first.
Overall you are right. The national team has always over performed and the pathways haven’t been right to get younger players more chances. I’m hoping the new WRU board will be able to slowly steady the ship over time and try to get things in a better state.
I think a lot of the positivity comes from the fact that the Welsh rugby public are an intelligent one and understand exactly where we are at the moment and are happy with how the team is fighting and for every minute.
Let’s be honest we’ve seen better Welsh teams role over in the past and these guys are refusing to do so. I for one am positive for the future of this team
Wales lack of a quality 10 raised its ugly head.. lineout for Wales went well defence very organised dyer and Welsh fullback played well but lack of vision at 10 especially when Wales twice on ire try line with penalty advantage after forwards had done the job committing Irish defence making their defence narrow resulting in lots of space either side of Irish posts and still costelow not demanding the ball to put in either cross field kick or move ball through hands to score try.. Wales big big problem is someone at 10 to control and dictate Wales attack .. heads up rugby for goodness sake .. I'm mentioning biggar again but we all know what would have happened had biggar been in those 2 try scoring opportunities when Wales were on ire try line
Yeah I agree. There were times when I was expecting Costelow to demand the ball and take charge but he didnt. Maybe he will grow into the shirt, he's still very young and he's our best option atm
Costelow will have to be given time because who else is there, and I agree he played poorly.
Yes, and big boots to fill with Biggar gone. Young lad who is still learning and blows hot and cold still. Watched him against Sale a few months ago, when he absolutely had George Ford - so big potential.
Early days but moving forward. Be good to get Morgan and Lake back asap. Adams needs a Biggar . Winnet very good and brave. Wainwright filling TF's shoes nicely. Dyer runs and runs . North and Tompkins great partners but worry how long North can go on. We also need a new sheriff in town and Feyi-Waboso must think he's made a mistake.
@@chriswalford9228 agree with what you say and the ideal 10 and replacement for North as a hard running centre is Joe Hawkins and jarrod Evans at 10 but oh wait ? WRU 25 cap rule insanity strikes again leaving 2 quality players now playing in eng unavailable for Wales who already struggle with strength in depth.. Wales have the talent and a conveyor belt of youngsters with talent coming through from 7nder 16 to under 18 level every year but player pathway in Wales is just not capable of accommodating them for development.. wru thought farming them out to the semi pro premiership league would bridge the gap between club and regional level but it doesn't.. there's just not enough room at the top level with effectively only 4 clubs who also buy in players who are not even qualified to play for Wales resulting in gatland selecting some Welsh boys who don't even start for their regions... meanwhile young players like Evans and hawkins secure their rugby financial security playing across the border resulting in instantly unavailable for Welsh squad already struggling with depth.. the WRU circus continues..