I think our pack could be quite interesting. We could go for something like this: Thomas Lake Griffin Jenkins Carter Plumtree Tshiunza Wainwright The backs are more difficult, but I think we need to look at the following going forward (which might mean looking at the cap rule). Tomos Bevan Hardy Dan Evans Jarrod Evans Callum Sheed Ben Thomas Hawkins Max Llewellyn Kieran Williams Joe Roberts Eddie James Hathaway Dyer Grace Ioan Lloyd Dan John Cabango Liam Williams
Hi Christian overall I think, for me at least there were more positives than negatives, when you look at the experienced players missing, sure I heard the comment made that 1 aussie alone has more caps than the entire Welsh side! I agree with most of your comments but think I'm happier with the future than before this tour
Hi Christian, same as last week a loss by 8 points, I don't know were to start. I'm just gutted with the game. Lets see what happens next, Great review as always Take care
100% - and the biggest mistakes, in this order, were: 1. Extending Gatland’s contract beyond the WC. 2. Re-employing Howley. I was GUTTED to see Howley addressing the backs at HT. No wonder our attacking ply has completely died since the WC.
@@TheWelshSportsPodcastsuch a shame because he introduced some real flair. We already know that Howley is no good, because of how the backs reacted to him in the Lions tour.
I thought Ben Thomas was superb - the improvement from game one to game two was astonishing. If he can keep on a similar trajectory, he’ll be a treasure for wales. Lake, Griffin, Jenkins, Botham all very good. Lloyd was superb in the loose - some insanely good tackles, but not a thrower right now. Botham did so well - smashed it. Not effective, but so busy, and that’s all you can ask. Dyer try was weird to watch - where the F has that been for the last year??! I enjoyed it. It was heartening. About all we can ask for as Wakes fans these days.
Yeah agree with everything you’ve said. Yeah taht dyer one was strange. Sort of expected hun to get smashed into touch 2 or 3 times but kept going. Great finish to be fair
Wales were far improved on anything we've seen this year so far. Three incredibly soft and somewhat fortunate tries for Australia changed this game from a comfortable Welsh win to an Australian win. Wales were the better team, no doubt. Thing will improve!
in a nutshell that’s it. we need to develop in terms of discipline, set piece, attack, impact off the bench. Good one Christian and enjoy yr time off!! 🏴👍👍
I truly believe this team has a good future. The never say die attitude this young Welsh team showed should mean something to us all. I understand the negative points completely. These are young players that are short on experience and confidence but they have the attitude to not give up. I think the attack was improved with Grady being allowed a bit more space and wales finally were able to score some tries that didn’t come from a maul😂 I don’t think watkin is up to international level. Just think if that line out in the 75th minute and wales would have probably scored a try from there and gone onto win the game. It’s a horrible learning curve but this is what it takes. It’s a bad situation yes but it is what it is.
@@Lukesummers94 the positives are that wales are starting to develop that attitude of never giving up. They have found a good weapon in the driving maul. They finally scored a try through phase play and they’ve found a few really good players on this summer tour. Also look at how young the team is compared to South Africa and Ireland. A lot of the starting team for South Africa are in the early 30s. A lot of them won’t make it to the next World Cup. Etzebeth, kolii, PSTD, pollard, Faf der klerk, mostert, kriel, dellande, Kolbe, le roux and many others are over 30 and will most likely not be able to play international rugby in a few years. Just something to think about
I certainly think there’s green shoots but I do still feel we’re a long way from competing with the best at the moment that’s all. And can we please stop playing Grady at 12. It’s not his position 😬😂
There were encouraging signs during the second Test . However our lack of discipline at critical moments in the game was concerning . Thought Botham, Lake and Griffin were excellent . Not convinced about Winnett . We need to rethink the centre pairing .
I really do think Winnett we get better once we get some more structure and some go forward. Agree with you that we need a new centre partnership because that one doesn’t work at all but as you said, they are encouraged signs and that’s the main thing
Fair comments by your good self. The lack of confidance is my biggest worry and Gatland has to play a more experienced team from now on just to try and win games
3.45am here in Costa Rica to see the match...they played well ...yes mistakes cost them ..but Botham Griffin and front row did ok ...lets win the 6 Nations ... I question the selection of the centers... Hope Regan Grace gets a run next week ...
I would like to see Ben Thomas at 12 and a Costelow or whoever at 10. I am not convinced at all with Grady at 12, I think he is far better out wider. Play people in their proper positions, at this level. James Botham I like but again he gives away too many silly penalties. Gatland needs to put his ego aside with some of his selections and decisions. I hope we can finally see a full team out in the Autumn. Good review young man.
Gatland said after the game :- "Our whole planning was to pick a group of youngsters after the experience we lost from the World Cup to develop through to the World Cup in 2027 in Australia," he added. "If you're another team at the moment, and having seen how much we can improve as a group, you won't want us in your World Cup pool." If anyone other than Gatland had said that, I would ROTFL, but IF Gatland is serious.....
Yeah I think that’s quite a defeatist attitude. That like what team say about teams like Georgia and Portugal isn’t it. Is that where our standard is now?
Let's get behind the team, there are more players to come in who were injured, losing our number 8 was no help, we have Morgan, and Morse to come in, Beard, Henry Thomas, Archie Griffin as been blooded, Maybe Reagan Grace could be a bolter, lots to be cheerful about,, 6 nation's will be the marker.
For the first time I feel this team will develop into something good, dumb rugby at times but they are working so hard their commitment is second to none, it was the first game where not only should they have won but could have, in all the games leading to this they weren't at the races, this game was different, and now I'm looking forward to the autumn Internationals.
A true masterclass on how to lose a game of rugby, presented by Gatland and the Wales rugby team! The only positives were Griffin, Lake and Botham who all 3 were outstanding, not much else to say about the rest other than the consant basic mistakes and penalties given away. We don't seem to adapt to the oppostion like Australia did, 2nd half they sussed us completely at line-out and defused our main threat and after that we had no awnser. So yet again another day and another game gone with nothing but dissapointment and frustration written all over it as we haven't progressed in 10 games now. If this was NZ, England, South Africa in the same position as us they'd have sacked Gatland before he'd have left the stadium. There's no excuses to hide behind anymore and that's the hard fact the WRU need to accept, it'll keep getting worse if they don't do anything and the game will eventually die off in Wales. There is only so much the fans can take, and it's making me depressed to see how far we've fallen
Well, he is the perfect man for those DEI points then. The WRU have long since sold rugby out in the country. Ever since they tarnished the image of the game with false accustsions.
I think the fact that this was a fairly close game will give them an excuse to say we’re progressing but truth be told of this was any of the top teams and not Aus it would have been a lot more one sided I think
Wales should have won the game they were the better side, Australia used all their luck up in one game and were very lucky to win. Key moments of concentration.
@@xxwales15xx33 I agree Wales gave away crucial penalities but Australia had the luck of the bounce 3 times in one game. Kellaways try, Jake Gordans try and Dungunu try, they were all luck that ball bounce in Australia's favour.
As an Englishman I can't help but think both the Welsh halfbacks and centre partnership are really not up to standard at the moment. Grady may well be a very good 13/ wing in the years to come but I just do not see him as a 12. Possibly with a ferocious pack you could get away with it but with so many injuries and ineligible players, it it did seem to let you down. I think a better lineup would have been Costelow at 10, Thomas at 12 and Grady at 13. Then again, I dont watch the URC as closely as you boys do Not all bad news for you lads though. I think the scrum was much more competitive than many feared it would be and the attacking maul is very dangerous. Lake may well be a B&I Lion as well. (Oh, thanks for Feyi-Waboso by the way. A fair exchange for Nick Tompkins 😉)
@@robhudson3511 I'm not complaining! Not sure we've had a young guy break through to the international set up and look so immediately like a "must pick" since Manu.
Thanks for the positivity 😊However, girls watch the URC & Rugby too by the way, and not just "boys"!!! On Nick Tompkins; he picked Wales despite him being born & bred in England (& he qualified on Welsh ancestry) - and because he was fed up with waiting to get an England call up. I disagree, and Feyi is not a fair exchange & a very sore point. Completely different to Nick as Feyi was born and brought up in Wales - and had played all his Rugby in Wales before signing for Exeter because he didn't get into Cardiff University to study medicine. The WRU messed up there big time by not supporting the player with his University Application alongside furthering his Welsh Rugby ambitions - and they've admitted to that. Not England Rugby's fault, but it was far from a fair exchange, and I wonder how long he'll last in the conveyor belt there before he's ditched for an-other 🤔
Reffel was ineffective because the backrow balance is all out. His takle count is high because for all the flashy stuff plumbtree isnt doing the donkey work that a six needs to do. We need a Lydiate type to allow reffel to go for the jackle. Grady is really poor. Costelow and ben thomas should be 10/12 combo to play 2nd 5/8th option which would give us width and guile. Liam should make way, hes mistake ridden and a penalty machine. Buoyed by Griffin and lake tbf, both outstanding. Mistakes have been a mainstay of this team since gatland and co came back in, so for me the mistakes is a coaching issue at this point.
That’s a really good point about Reffel actually. When Mann was in at 6 with his low chop and grunt work we saw the best of Reffel. Maybe that’s something Gats will look at but it seams as though he really like Plumbtree so he might just stick with him
I thought that you couldn't have asked more from the boys. The endeavour was outstanding 1-23, but especially typified by the atittude of James Botham. There's a Lions tour going to Australia next year and with Nika Amashukeli in the middle any away team shouldnt hope for too much. Dyer took his try brilliantly fair play, a real wingers finish. The Welsh set piece was good on the whole fairplay to Jon Humphreys. It's a pity that the best available players in Wales weren't picked for this squad, and it's unfortunate that thec 25 cap rule has robbed us of players like Feyi Woboso and Jack Hawkins. I also wonder what Sam Davies, Rhys Patchel or R oss Moriarty might bring to the party🤔. I dont think that we can hang our hat on driving line outs. Against the likes of Ireland England or South Africa it's not going to bear as much fruit. And against sides like France, New Zealand and Fiji it's simply not going to be enough. If we could work out a game plan that suits the players available, pick the best players in their positions.......and play them in their actual positions. Reward regional form with an opportunity to compete in the squad, and therefore encourage competition at domestic level. Scrap the 25 cap rule, build ststems in attack that utilise deception and a variety of options using distribution and runners off the ball instead of one domesional telegraphed one up carries. If we could carry on developing youth whilst also allowing experience to create a strong transition........you never know......we might make a fist of it. Let's be honest a country our size is never going to be world beaters, but we coukd at least try not to handicap ourselves. ...............that lineoit that hit Cory Hill in the hip.........can't help thinking that it would have been nice to have a Sam Parry there.
We saw some shoots of improvement which is a positive thing, but my worry is now these please will go back to regions completely different way in different positions to where they have been all summer and then once the autumn comes with starting again Hopefully with the return of some more senior players like Anscombe we could see an improvement from there. I really just want him to stop picking players in their best positions because at the moment he’s trying to put square pegs in round hole and that one of our biggest issues
Biggest missing link is a Joe Hawkins character at 12, dont think Thomas is a 10 really, think we should be developing Ioan Lloyd and using costello much more. We get that 75th min lineout working and weve won it i think, just need the pack to sort the set piece out and were nearly there I think. That and the bloody handling errors!
Yeah agreed. I’m hoping that Griffin turns out to be as good as he’s looked in these 2 games. He should only get better from here and that’s what we’re desperate for
Christian just wanted your thoughts on JUST HOW GOOD ARE THE REGIONS AT DEVELOPING YOUNG TALENT?? Iam asking because of the number of players now being let go that at times in the recent past have been hailed as the new rising superstar of Welsh rugby Players like C.Baldwin - O.Lane - M.Protheroe - R.Conbeer to name just a few While the likes of J.Hawkins - R.Carre - N.Smith - D.Lewis - .JvEans and others all feel the need to go elsewhere to developand now even W.Gatland is looking elsewhere for talent for example A.Griffen and A.Mann
I feel like generally they have been good at developing young talent. When you look at the relative success Wales have had over the past 20 years we punched above our weight when you consider the player base of other countries It’s not to say they haven’t failed certain players of course every rugby set up does but I think as a whole they’ve been pretty good As for those other players like Dylan Lewis, ect. They left more due to many reasons than maybe developing their abilities. Jarrod Evans wanted to stay in Cardiff and they just simply couldn’t afford him. Mann is a product of Cardiff but you’re right we don’t produce a whole lot of depth at prop hence brining in Griffin. What do you think?
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Ithink that the regions ONCE did a good job of developing young talent But that in recent years that is no longer the case This year if anything has shown that Wales young talent is lacking in many respects S.Costelow has actually regressed since he joined Scarlets from Leicester Tigers and the same can be said for Cory Baldwin [back from Exeter] M.Protheroe [ Bristol] and others I still feel that Wales are producing good RAW talent But now the regions are not developing them i suspect mainly due to lack of money for the coaches and other specialists
I think it does generally come down to funding and you have to think some of these young players who would be thrust into week week out performances for the regions would have before been probably learning behind more senior player and then when they come into the team, they’re 100% ready I think, though you have to admit players like Lake and Morgan look like they could be genuinely world-class in a year or two. Also Tomos Williams is one of the best scrum halves in the northern hemisphere. These guys all have come through the regions so we start developing guys but it’s hard to give them the individual coaching they need when the money is simply not there for the extra coaches. Interesting question though we could literally have an entire episode talking about the ins and outs of this 😂
i thought we where better but at the end of the day it was not a win. The amount of erros was unbelievable and there was almost a lack of professionalism in the way the played i thought australlia let us into that game, however there was slightly more creativity in play but still wanna see something different in the backs with selection.
Did you really expect anything different?? Ill admit the match was closer than i thought it would be But again NO EXCUSE as Australia where still a scrath team and still looked better than Wales who have been together for 4- 5weeks now minimum The only saving grace is that come the autumn Wales will have a vastly different squad With the likes of N .Smith R .Carre H.Thomas D.Lewis back for the props W.Rowlands and A.Beard back for the locks and J.Morgon and A.Wainwright [May be ?? ] G.Anscombe and C.Sheedy at fly half and B.Thomas and M Grady at 13 K.Giles and T.Rogers back on the wing Plus those players rested like J.Adams ect As for other players well who knows with Gats being Gats what he will do ??
Spot on mate, if we can somehow get Joe Hawkins back into the setup as well I think it'd make a huge difference. Pair him with Grady at 13 I think it could work well. It'll be interesting to see how Regan Grace gets on at Bath as well.
@@charliebaker2137 Yeah would love to see J.Hawkins back aswell But honestly i think Wales will lose him to England in the end under the 3 yr rule Which will allow him to change nations
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Agreed but honestly i think Wales will end up losing J.Hawkins to England under the 3 yr rule Which will allow him to switch nations
It's not an international set up problem, it's a coaching issue at club level and lower. Sanjay, Gareth t and reffel are the only players from the starting 15 vs Argentina n only 2 from the 40 point win over the aussies. Australia had 3 players in the 15 from that game. The gap in quality should be pretty obvious. Lions tour next year n from today's 23 man squad, there's no argument for any of them to go (lake possibly the exception but still needs to improve his line out for this level) used to be a case for alot of Welsh players to be included but not now. Skill levels are miles off. Can see the Scottish having more players represent the lions the way things are going.
Excuse me? The aussie players are hardly world beaters! What are you on about? Acting like Austrailia who have lost so mang players to league are that good. Pay attention you part time fan.
@Lukesummers94 🤣 How many Welsh teams made the urc knockout outs?? I dnt imply that australia are 'world beaters' I'm saying player vs player, the aussie team has a much better basic skill set. So genius, rugby god. Which Wales player deserves a lions place in the 23 man squad?? Based on form and skill set 🤷♂️ You even help prove my point how bad the Welsh level is, alot of aussie talent has gone to league n we still get schooled. 😘 cheers trig
I am so sick of the "little wales"mentality! Always happens when we perform poorly in any sport. If we want to compete we have yk compete and not fall abck on being a country of less than 4 million. Every notice how those sticking up for Gatland never explain where the positives are? Fact is we're doing "ok" against a very poor aussie side. Agree with all of you points mate, keep up the content!
This Wales side drives me nuts, the talent is clearly there but they constantly find ways to lose! Sport in Wales is generally like this, you only have to look at Geraint Thomas for a perfect example of all the talent in the world, unfulfilled! Also look at the Wales women in their qualifying, I bet you they’ll find a way to throw unaware all their good work. I’m starting to think it’s either done on purpose or there is something seriously wrong with The psychology of sport stars from Wales.
Time to play Cameron Hanekom, Josh Hathaway, Regan Grace in the Autumn Internationals. Let's freshen things up and prepare for the 6 Nations. Keep the faith 🏴💪
Plumtree did nothing special, some good things some bad, Lake had a Man of the match performance. Tshiunza had a good game defensively but Rio being this quiet this often is concerning. This team is crying out for some ball carriers like Morgan morris, Harry Deaves and Kieran Williams. Was an interesting game to watch
Thought some of the pack were ok, Botham man of the match. Centres awful, heard a stat on the radio, Cam Winnet has only played in 4 games and come out on the winning side. Parry shouldn't have been treated as a carpet, should have gone instead of Lloyd. Get Regan Grace capped before England nick him as well. Thomas Young is the best openside flanker in Wales, Jac Morgan full of growth hormones so injury prone, like Warburton used to be
Yeah the Winnett stat is terrible. Can’t help but feel sorry for him. I’m a big fan of Young. Certainly think he’s deserved a chance but he’s injured atm and Gats would pick him anyway would he. Interesting point about Jac Morgan 🤔
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast A friend of mine used to play prop for Birchgrove and he got asked to go to the Ospreys for a training session. Whilst there he was told by the then head coach to go away, take some steroids or growth and come back once he's put more weight on. You see it all the time, once these top players finish and move into pundit work they look ill.
Always negativity i feel from you Christian, I disagree and think there is promise in this young team. Cut out the errors and more accuracy then the wins will come
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I think our pack could be quite interesting. We could go for something like this:
Thomas
Lake
Griffin
Jenkins
Carter
Plumtree
Tshiunza
Wainwright
The backs are more difficult, but I think we need to look at the following going forward (which might mean looking at the cap rule).
Tomos
Bevan
Hardy
Dan Evans
Jarrod Evans
Callum Sheed
Ben Thomas
Hawkins
Max Llewellyn
Kieran Williams
Joe Roberts
Eddie James
Hathaway
Dyer
Grace
Ioan Lloyd
Dan John
Cabango
Liam Williams
You summed it up really.
Hi Christian overall I think, for me at least there were more positives than negatives, when you look at the experienced players missing, sure I heard the comment made that 1 aussie alone has more caps than the entire Welsh side! I agree with most of your comments but think I'm happier with the future than before this tour
Hi Christian, same as last week a loss by 8 points, I don't know were to start. I'm just gutted with the game. Lets see what happens next, Great review as always Take care
Yeah I’m just gutted too mate. Really hoped for a win from one of these games but I just wasn’t to be 🤷🏻♂️🏴
100% - and the biggest mistakes, in this order, were:
1. Extending Gatland’s contract beyond the WC.
2. Re-employing Howley.
I was GUTTED to see Howley addressing the backs at HT. No wonder our attacking ply has completely died since the WC.
Makes you wonder how long King is going to be hanging around for. Seams like he’s being cast aside
@@TheWelshSportsPodcastsuch a shame because he introduced some real flair. We already know that Howley is no good, because of how the backs reacted to him in the Lions tour.
You talk a lot of sense young man
Cheers Rob. Very kind of you to say👍🏼
I thought Ben Thomas was superb - the improvement from game one to game two was astonishing. If he can keep on a similar trajectory, he’ll be a treasure for wales.
Lake, Griffin, Jenkins, Botham all very good. Lloyd was superb in the loose - some insanely good tackles, but not a thrower right now. Botham did so well - smashed it. Not effective, but so busy, and that’s all you can ask.
Dyer try was weird to watch - where the F has that been for the last year??!
I enjoyed it. It was heartening. About all we can ask for as Wakes fans these days.
Yeah agree with everything you’ve said. Yeah taht dyer one was strange. Sort of expected hun to get smashed into touch 2 or 3 times but kept going. Great finish to be fair
It’s getting tough watching Welsh rugby. Your forward pack looking good.
Yeah it’s a bit frustrating at the moment 🥹
Good review of the game. I had mixed emotions at the end. Glad Wales showed greater cohesion but the mistakes cost them the game.
Thanks Rich👍🏼 Yeah I agree. Really hope they learn from this one
Wales were far improved on anything we've seen this year so far. Three incredibly soft and somewhat fortunate tries for Australia changed this game from a comfortable Welsh win to an Australian win.
Wales were the better team, no doubt. Thing will improve!
in a nutshell that’s it. we need to develop in terms of discipline, set piece, attack, impact off the bench. Good one Christian and enjoy yr time off!! 🏴👍👍
Thank you. Not to much time off. Got a video in the works to fill the gap hopefully. That’s for always supporting 🙏🏼
I truly believe this team has a good future. The never say die attitude this young Welsh team showed should mean something to us all.
I understand the negative points completely. These are young players that are short on experience and confidence but they have the attitude to not give up.
I think the attack was improved with Grady being allowed a bit more space and wales finally were able to score some tries that didn’t come from a maul😂
I don’t think watkin is up to international level.
Just think if that line out in the 75th minute and wales would have probably scored a try from there and gone onto win the game. It’s a horrible learning curve but this is what it takes. It’s a bad situation yes but it is what it is.
I agree 100 % but Grady really is struggling at this level, have faith there's a good side waiting to explode I'm convinced.
Please explain your postivies. Saying we're young and experienced doen't meam we will be successful in the future.
@@davidpearn2484 he is struggling. But I think it’s worth trying to develop him at this level. He needs time in the position
@@Lukesummers94 the positives are that wales are starting to develop that attitude of never giving up. They have found a good weapon in the driving maul. They finally scored a try through phase play and they’ve found a few really good players on this summer tour.
Also look at how young the team is compared to South Africa and Ireland. A lot of the starting team for South Africa are in the early 30s. A lot of them won’t make it to the next World Cup. Etzebeth, kolii, PSTD, pollard, Faf der klerk, mostert, kriel, dellande, Kolbe, le roux and many others are over 30 and will most likely not be able to play international rugby in a few years. Just something to think about
I certainly think there’s green shoots but I do still feel we’re a long way from competing with the best at the moment that’s all.
And can we please stop playing Grady at 12. It’s not his position 😬😂
Another channel - 2centsrugby - summed it up perfectly “boy it must be frustrating being a Welsh fan”
Yeah very true 😂
There were encouraging signs during the second Test . However our lack of discipline at critical moments in the game was concerning .
Thought Botham, Lake and Griffin were excellent . Not convinced about Winnett . We need to rethink the centre pairing .
I really do think Winnett we get better once we get some more structure and some go forward. Agree with you that we need a new centre partnership because that one doesn’t work at all but as you said, they are encouraged signs and that’s the main thing
Fair comments by your good self. The lack of confidance is my biggest worry and Gatland has to play a more experienced team from now on just to try and win games
Thank you Stephen. Yeah I agree with you. I hope he goes more or less full strength for Reds game and get a win for the boys 🏴
3.45am here in Costa Rica to see the match...they played well ...yes mistakes cost them ..but Botham Griffin and front row did ok ...lets win the 6 Nations ... I question the selection of the centers... Hope Regan Grace gets a run next week ...
I question the centres too. Thomas at 12 and Grady at 13 makes so must more sense. Hope you’re keeping well over there mate 🇨🇷🏴
I would like to see Ben Thomas at 12 and a Costelow or whoever at 10. I am not convinced at all with Grady at 12, I think he is far better out wider. Play people in their proper positions, at this level. James Botham I like but again he gives away too many silly penalties.
Gatland needs to put his ego aside with some of his selections and decisions.
I hope we can finally see a full team out in the Autumn.
Good review young man.
Thank you my friend 👍🏼
Yeah agree with you. Thomas at 12 and Grady at 13 is probably the best option in my opinion
Gatland said after the game :- "Our whole planning was to pick a group of youngsters after the experience we lost from the World Cup to develop through to the World Cup in 2027 in Australia," he added. "If you're another team at the moment, and having seen how much we can improve as a group, you won't want us in your World Cup pool."
If anyone other than Gatland had said that, I would ROTFL, but IF Gatland is serious.....
Yeah I think that’s quite a defeatist attitude. That like what team say about teams like Georgia and Portugal isn’t it. Is that where our standard is now?
Let's get behind the team, there are more players to come in who were injured, losing our number 8 was no help, we have Morgan, and Morse to come in, Beard, Henry Thomas, Archie Griffin as been blooded, Maybe Reagan Grace could be a bolter, lots to be cheerful about,, 6 nation's will be the marker.
Always behind the team mate. Just desperate for a win like everyone else. Let’s hope we get a result against the Reds for confidence
For the first time I feel this team will develop into something good, dumb rugby at times but they are working so hard their commitment is second to none, it was the first game where not only should they have won but could have, in all the games leading to this they weren't at the races, this game was different, and now I'm looking forward to the autumn Internationals.
Yeah I’m really hoping he put out a full compliment agains the reds and we get a win. The boys deserve and need it
A true masterclass on how to lose a game of rugby, presented by Gatland and the Wales rugby team!
The only positives were Griffin, Lake and Botham who all 3 were outstanding, not much else to say about the rest other than the consant basic mistakes and penalties given away.
We don't seem to adapt to the oppostion like Australia did, 2nd half they sussed us completely at line-out and defused our main threat and after that we had no awnser.
So yet again another day and another game gone with nothing but dissapointment and frustration written all over it as we haven't progressed in 10 games now.
If this was NZ, England, South Africa in the same position as us they'd have sacked Gatland before he'd have left the stadium.
There's no excuses to hide behind anymore and that's the hard fact the WRU need to accept, it'll keep getting worse if they don't do anything and the game will eventually die off in Wales.
There is only so much the fans can take, and it's making me depressed to see how far we've fallen
Well, he is the perfect man for those DEI points then. The WRU have long since sold rugby out in the country. Ever since they tarnished the image of the game with false accustsions.
@@WalesTheTrueBritons WRU have been corrupt for decades, won't change any time soon
I think the fact that this was a fairly close game will give them an excuse to say we’re progressing but truth be told of this was any of the top teams and not Aus it would have been a lot more one sided I think
Wales should have won the game they were the better side, Australia used all their luck up in one game and were very lucky to win. Key moments of concentration.
No luck in their victory at all. You cant expect us to win giving away crucial penalties and silly mistakes
@@xxwales15xx33 I agree Wales gave away crucial penalities but Australia had the luck of the bounce 3 times in one game. Kellaways try, Jake Gordans try and Dungunu try, they were all luck that ball bounce in Australia's favour.
@@caintindal1671 you make your own luck - chasing kicks harder than wales each time
As an Englishman I can't help but think both the Welsh halfbacks and centre partnership are really not up to standard at the moment. Grady may well be a very good 13/ wing in the years to come but I just do not see him as a 12. Possibly with a ferocious pack you could get away with it but with so many injuries and ineligible players, it it did seem to let you down. I think a better lineup would have been Costelow at 10, Thomas at 12 and Grady at 13. Then again, I dont watch the URC as closely as you boys do
Not all bad news for you lads though. I think the scrum was much more competitive than many feared it would be and the attacking maul is very dangerous. Lake may well be a B&I Lion as well.
(Oh, thanks for Feyi-Waboso by the way. A fair exchange for Nick Tompkins 😉)
i think (9 + 10) is very easy - it's Williams and Anscombe
Can't help thinking you did a bit better out of that deal somehow😂
@@robhudson3511 I'm not complaining!
Not sure we've had a young guy break through to the international set up and look so immediately like a "must pick" since Manu.
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Thanks for the positivity 😊However, girls watch the URC & Rugby too by the way, and not just "boys"!!! On Nick Tompkins; he picked Wales despite him being born & bred in England (& he qualified on Welsh ancestry) - and because he was fed up with waiting to get an England call up. I disagree, and Feyi is not a fair exchange & a very sore point. Completely different to Nick as Feyi was born and brought up in Wales - and had played all his Rugby in Wales before signing for Exeter because he didn't get into Cardiff University to study medicine. The WRU messed up there big time by not supporting the player with his University Application alongside furthering his Welsh Rugby ambitions - and they've admitted to that. Not England Rugby's fault, but it was far from a fair exchange, and I wonder how long he'll last in the conveyor belt there before he's ditched for an-other 🤔
Reffel was ineffective because the backrow balance is all out. His takle count is high because for all the flashy stuff plumbtree isnt doing the donkey work that a six needs to do. We need a Lydiate type to allow reffel to go for the jackle. Grady is really poor. Costelow and ben thomas should be 10/12 combo to play 2nd 5/8th option which would give us width and guile. Liam should make way, hes mistake ridden and a penalty machine. Buoyed by Griffin and lake tbf, both outstanding. Mistakes have been a mainstay of this team since gatland and co came back in, so for me the mistakes is a coaching issue at this point.
That’s a really good point about Reffel actually. When Mann was in at 6 with his low chop and grunt work we saw the best of Reffel. Maybe that’s something Gats will look at but it seams as though he really like Plumbtree so he might just stick with him
I thought that you couldn't have asked more from the boys. The endeavour was outstanding 1-23, but especially typified by the atittude of James Botham.
There's a Lions tour going to Australia next year and with Nika Amashukeli in the middle any away team shouldnt hope for too much.
Dyer took his try brilliantly fair play, a real wingers finish.
The Welsh set piece was good on the whole fairplay to Jon Humphreys.
It's a pity that the best available players in Wales weren't picked for this squad, and it's unfortunate that thec 25 cap rule has robbed us of players like Feyi Woboso and Jack Hawkins. I also wonder what Sam Davies, Rhys Patchel or R oss Moriarty might bring to the party🤔.
I dont think that we can hang our hat on driving line outs. Against the likes of Ireland England or South Africa it's not going to bear as much fruit. And against sides like France, New Zealand and Fiji it's simply not going to be enough.
If we could work out a game plan that suits the players available, pick the best players in their positions.......and play them in their actual positions. Reward regional form with an opportunity to compete in the squad, and therefore encourage competition at domestic level. Scrap the 25 cap rule, build ststems in attack that utilise deception and a variety of options using distribution and runners off the ball instead of one domesional telegraphed one up carries. If we could carry on developing youth whilst also allowing experience to create a strong transition........you never know......we might make a fist of it.
Let's be honest a country our size is never going to be world beaters, but we coukd at least try not to handicap ourselves.
...............that lineoit that hit Cory Hill in the hip.........can't help thinking that it would have been nice to have a Sam Parry there.
We saw some shoots of improvement which is a positive thing, but my worry is now these please will go back to regions completely different way in different positions to where they have been all summer and then once the autumn comes with starting again
Hopefully with the return of some more senior players like Anscombe we could see an improvement from there. I really just want him to stop picking players in their best positions because at the moment he’s trying to put square pegs in round hole and that one of our biggest issues
I think Wales played quite well and it's a pity they didn't finish.
Oh well, now for the main event, go bokke.
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Biggest missing link is a Joe Hawkins character at 12, dont think Thomas is a 10 really, think we should be developing Ioan Lloyd and using costello much more. We get that 75th min lineout working and weve won it i think, just need the pack to sort the set piece out and were nearly there I think. That and the bloody handling errors!
Yeah agreed. I’m hoping that Griffin turns out to be as good as he’s looked in these 2 games. He should only get better from here and that’s what we’re desperate for
Christian just wanted your thoughts on JUST HOW GOOD ARE THE REGIONS AT DEVELOPING YOUNG TALENT?? Iam asking because of the number of players now being let go that at times in the recent past have been hailed as the new rising superstar of Welsh rugby Players like C.Baldwin - O.Lane - M.Protheroe - R.Conbeer to name just a few While the likes of J.Hawkins - R.Carre - N.Smith - D.Lewis - .JvEans and others all feel the need to go elsewhere to developand now even W.Gatland is looking elsewhere for talent for example A.Griffen and A.Mann
I feel like generally they have been good at developing young talent. When you look at the relative success Wales have had over the past 20 years we punched above our weight when you consider the player base of other countries
It’s not to say they haven’t failed certain players of course every rugby set up does but I think as a whole they’ve been pretty good
As for those other players like Dylan Lewis, ect. They left more due to many reasons than maybe developing their abilities. Jarrod Evans wanted to stay in Cardiff and they just simply couldn’t afford him.
Mann is a product of Cardiff but you’re right we don’t produce a whole lot of depth at prop hence brining in Griffin. What do you think?
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Ithink that the regions ONCE did a good job of developing young talent But that in recent years that is no longer the case This year if anything has shown that Wales young talent is lacking in many respects S.Costelow has actually regressed since he joined Scarlets from Leicester Tigers and the same can be said for Cory Baldwin [back from Exeter] M.Protheroe [ Bristol] and others I still feel that Wales are producing good RAW talent But now the regions are not developing them i suspect mainly due to lack of money for the coaches and other specialists
I think it does generally come down to funding and you have to think some of these young players who would be thrust into week week out performances for the regions would have before been probably learning behind more senior player and then when they come into the team, they’re 100% ready
I think, though you have to admit players like Lake and Morgan look like they could be genuinely world-class in a year or two. Also Tomos Williams is one of the best scrum halves in the northern hemisphere. These guys all have come through the regions so we start developing guys but it’s hard to give them the individual coaching they need when the money is simply not there for the extra coaches.
Interesting question though we could literally have an entire episode talking about the ins and outs of this 😂
i thought we where better but at the end of the day it was not a win. The amount of erros was unbelievable and there was almost a lack of professionalism in the way the played i thought australlia let us into that game, however there was slightly more creativity in play but still wanna see something different in the backs with selection.
Yeah you’ve got the exact same thoughts as me mate. Better but not great. Lots of room to learn and develop 🏴
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Did you really expect anything different?? Ill admit the match was closer than i thought it would be But again NO EXCUSE as Australia where still a scrath team and still looked better than Wales who have been together for 4- 5weeks now minimum The only saving grace is that come the autumn Wales will have a vastly different squad With the likes of N .Smith R .Carre H.Thomas D.Lewis back for the props W.Rowlands and A.Beard back for the locks and J.Morgon and A.Wainwright [May be ?? ] G.Anscombe and C.Sheedy at fly half and B.Thomas and M Grady at 13 K.Giles and T.Rogers back on the wing Plus those players rested like J.Adams ect As for other players well who knows with Gats being Gats what he will do ??
Spot on mate, if we can somehow get Joe Hawkins back into the setup as well I think it'd make a huge difference. Pair him with Grady at 13 I think it could work well. It'll be interesting to see how Regan Grace gets on at Bath as well.
I’d love to see Hawkins back and hopefully he stops putting Grady 12. Just doesn’t suit him at all
@@charliebaker2137 Yeah would love to see J.Hawkins back aswell But honestly i think Wales will lose him to England in the end under the 3 yr rule Which will allow him to change nations
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Agreed but honestly i think Wales will end up losing J.Hawkins to England under the 3 yr rule Which will allow him to switch nations
It's not an international set up problem, it's a coaching issue at club level and lower.
Sanjay, Gareth t and reffel are the only players from the starting 15 vs Argentina n only 2 from the 40 point win over the aussies. Australia had 3 players in the 15 from that game.
The gap in quality should be pretty obvious.
Lions tour next year n from today's 23 man squad, there's no argument for any of them to go (lake possibly the exception but still needs to improve his line out for this level) used to be a case for alot of Welsh players to be included but not now.
Skill levels are miles off.
Can see the Scottish having more players represent the lions the way things are going.
Excuse me? The aussie players are hardly world beaters! What are you on about? Acting like Austrailia who have lost so mang players to league are that good.
Pay attention you part time fan.
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How many Welsh teams made the urc knockout outs??
I dnt imply that australia are 'world beaters' I'm saying player vs player, the aussie team has a much better basic skill set.
So genius, rugby god. Which Wales player deserves a lions place in the 23 man squad?? Based on form and skill set 🤷♂️
You even help prove my point how bad the Welsh level is, alot of aussie talent has gone to league n we still get schooled. 😘 cheers trig
Both teams have lost a lot of players to be fair. Maybe just be glad that we didn’t go out to NZ on this tour 😂
@TheWelshSportsPodcast this would be the best time to play nz. Razor hasn't had much time with em.
Neither did Shmidt to be fair
I thought Wales played well
Best they’ve played for a while to be fair. Just lots of frustrating errors
I am so sick of the "little wales"mentality! Always happens when we perform poorly in any sport. If we want to compete we have yk compete and not fall abck on being a country of less than 4 million.
Every notice how those sticking up for Gatland never explain where the positives are?
Fact is we're doing "ok" against a very poor aussie side.
Agree with all of you points mate, keep up the content!
Cheers Luke. Yeah, I feel like we’re getting used to settling for good performances rather than expecting wins 😬
This Wales side drives me nuts, the talent is clearly there but they constantly find ways to lose! Sport in Wales is generally like this, you only have to look at Geraint Thomas for a perfect example of all the talent in the world, unfulfilled! Also look at the Wales women in their qualifying, I bet you they’ll find a way to throw unaware all their good work. I’m starting to think it’s either done on purpose or there is something seriously wrong with The psychology of sport stars from Wales.
It’s getting pretty frustrating I agree. Maybe because we’re a small nation we don’t expect ourselves to be competing? I’m not sure tbh
Time to play Cameron Hanekom, Josh Hathaway, Regan Grace in the Autumn Internationals. Let's freshen things up and prepare for the 6 Nations. Keep the faith 🏴💪
Plumtree did nothing special, some good things some bad, Lake had a Man of the match performance.
Tshiunza had a good game defensively but Rio being this quiet this often is concerning. This team is crying out for some ball carriers like Morgan morris, Harry Deaves and Kieran Williams. Was an interesting game to watch
he's out of position tbf
Yeah 8 didn’t suit him I don’t think. He’s still young though so he’s still. Got lots to develop on
Thought some of the pack were ok, Botham man of the match.
Centres awful, heard a stat on the radio, Cam Winnet has only played in 4 games and come out on the winning side.
Parry shouldn't have been treated as a carpet, should have gone instead of Lloyd.
Get Regan Grace capped before England nick him as well.
Thomas Young is the best openside flanker in Wales, Jac Morgan full of growth hormones so injury prone, like Warburton used to be
Yeah the Winnett stat is terrible. Can’t help but feel sorry for him. I’m a big fan of Young. Certainly think he’s deserved a chance but he’s injured atm and Gats would pick him anyway would he.
Interesting point about Jac Morgan 🤔
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A friend of mine used to play prop for Birchgrove and he got asked to go to the Ospreys for a training session. Whilst there he was told by the then head coach to go away, take some steroids or growth and come back once he's put more weight on.
You see it all the time, once these top players finish and move into pundit work they look ill.
Really! He was actually told to go on steroids? I mean we all know it goes on but I’m surprised the coach actually said the quiet part out loud 😂
Always negativity i feel from you Christian, I disagree and think there is promise in this young team. Cut out the errors and more accuracy then the wins will come
I think that’s slightly unfair when I split the video between the negatives and positives 🤷🏻♂️
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he's going off the evidence. Always a red flag when fans go "he's so young" card
How about you explain what's promising then? Part timer!
You know what you're a big baby. Wahhhhhhh dont be negative 😩😩😩