Didn’t Paul Say We Shouldn’t Speak in Tongues in Church? | Episode 180
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2024
- Did Paul say Christians shouldn't speak in tongues during church services? Some critics of Pentecostalism make this claim, citing 1 Corinthians 14:23. Dr. David K. Bernard responds to this assertion with a biblical defense of speaking in tongues during corporate worship.
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This is a great teaching on a potentially confusing passage for people. Thank you, Dr. Bernard!
Excellent points - the Bible clearly says there is a time to speak in tongues. The biggest detractors of tongues are those who haven’t experienced it and never do it. Those who are hungry for truth will be able to understand it.
This is a very well explanation of how tongues are to be used, and an accurate interpretation of what Paul is trying to say. Love this! Well put together
This is awesome teaching.
Good explanation.. I saw Joe Campatella on his podcast explain very well, too.. thank you both 🙌🙌
This requires the Spirit of the Holy Ghost to be in us to Discern the spirits intention while they are speaking in Tongues! Hallelujah🙌
I really admire and respect mr Bernard but I will stick with the Bible on this question and what Paul says.I speak in tongues and prophesy and operate in other gifts but it does irk me when the leader of a church service says lets all pray in our prayer language in violation of Scripture in my opinion.The Day of Pentecost was not a “church “ service and neither was acts 10 and acts 19 so I don’t believe we can use them as precedence for everyone speaking in tongues in a church service with visitors who are ignorant of spiritual things.when all else fails trust the Bible and your own born again spirit.
I also don’t believe in preachers stopping their messages and going into ecstatic speaking (tongues)
@@aarondunn1608 The interpretation of the scripture is, if you are addressing people in the church, do not speak in tongues unless there are two or 3 people to interpret what you are saying. otherwise, pray to yourself. Thats what Dr bernard is saying. What is your understanding?
Those that spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost actually spoke in a "known" tounge because other people from other countries heard them speak in their language. The tounges that Paul spoke of in Corinthians was an unknown tounge. Paul was simply saying that if you're going to speak in an unknown tounge that it should be done with an interpreter. Different than the known tounges when a person is filled with the Holy Ghost.
Believers speaking in either known or unknown tongues don't understand what they themselves are saying. Thats what your missing.
You may have missed
“every man heard them speak in his own language.”
Each listener heard “them” meaning the if two were standing their next to each other one heard “them” speak one language the other next to him heard “them” in another language. Think about that.
That doesn't explain why they thought they were drunk with wine?
I doubt they called them drunk for speaking another language.
Thank you for this!@@revamp6612
@@herringtonherding I am of the understanding the power of God was so strong upon them that their flesh could not contain the power of the Spirit and they were stumbling and falling out under that power. Much like what happens today when many we continue to praise God in a powerful worship service.
Thank you for this great info and truth from what the Bible clearly says.
People also miss that I Cor. 14:22 states “So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers…” going on to say if all are gathered together and speaking in tongues, will not an unbelievers who enters think you are mad?
Finally; I Cor. 12:7 states “But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:” Meaning the gifts are given to edify others, not oneself. Also; I don’t understand how uncontrollable speaking of this unknown tongue, or falling out and those kinds of things could be from the Spirit if one of the fruits of the spirit is self-control. Brothers and sisters let Jesus and the Word given us be enough. We don’t need anything extra.
Amen
Clearly taught. Thank you sir.
Your teaching on this is awesome and extremely accurate brother Bernard. Thank you so much for teaching on this brother Bernard.
No he didn't but he said do it in private
Can you all do a video on revelation where the lamb takes the scroll from the one on the throne? Does that disprove oneness theology and support the trinity?
No! Revelation is full of symbolic prophecy.
@@revamp6612 doesn’t that suggest explanation then? I’m sincerely interested in hearing his POV.
@@kevinsmith5775revelation 5 is the scripture you are referring to and it doesn’t disprove the oneness doctrine. The lamb represents Jesus and God is a Spirit so he doesn’t have a body that sits on the throne. However Jesus does. Jesus is on the throne and he’s also the lamb of God which the elders bowed down to in revelation 5.
He opens the book of life, which is interesting because he is the lamb that died for our sins. That’s why he’s referred to as the lamb. Rather than a separate person, you can view it as Jesus becoming the lamb slain for the world.
@@logangaddis7778 thank you for your response.
@@kevinsmith5775 - Hi again Kevin. You ask a great question. Oneness theology certainly has issues with many scriptures. This is one of them. Many of the problematic passages Dr Bernard and others in the Oneness camp have to do some doctrinal damage control when folks start poking at it with some understanding. Revamp is right when he states that Revelation has a lot of symbolic prophesy. While it is considered part of the canon, the Church Fathers warned that this book could be gravely misunderstood and end up hurting the faithful. This is why the Orthodox Church, and the Roman Catholic- and up to the American Revivalist movement … Revelation was not emphasized. It can be read in one’s personal devotion…. But it is not referenced in the Divine Liturgy.
You will not see the word ‘Trinity’ in the Bible. Oneness folks love to point that out. But, they fail to inform you that neither is the word ‘Oneness’… You can find One. You can find Three. But neither Trinity nor Oneness is an actual word in the Scriptures.
All of the common verses used by OP folks use to support their claim that they’re right and others are wrong…. Are precisely the same passages used to establish the Dogma of the Trinity. Succinctly, the Constantinople Creed can be referenced online with scriptures used to establish the normative of the Church. The Creed is the universal symbol of the Faith, it informs everyone precisely who Jesus is … why He came… what happened… and the response to the Gospel for folks responding to His call. To the Orthodox Christian - the fullness of the godhead is found in Christ Jesus.
It seems that OP miss the Eternal Logos entirely in John 1. And there are many who will reference Deut 6:4 … the Shema… they are correct. There is One God. They do not, however, understand Jewish theology - and what they assert is Oneness - generally doesn’t align with Judaic thought and theology. Yahweh Elohim … Davar Yahweh… Ruach …..
But to go through all that. It’s a bit much for a comment. May I encourage you to checkout a book by Father Thomas Hopko - The Names of Jesus: Discovering the Person of Jesus Christ through Scripture. Father Thomas is an Orthodox theologian… and he explains the faith in a relatable way. He sounds more Oneness than OP folks are… and yet he is purely Trinitarian.
Trust you’re well. Lovingly, Cuthbert.
When upci members “interpret”, every single time they sound the same and say the same things (“Thus saith the lord, you are the generation” etc… hmm seems like learned behavior) they say the same things or if not similar “prophetic word” or “interpretations”. How do I know this? Heard it for 20 years of my life in multiple UPCI churches. Later on in life now it’s all visible thru their footage online. My point is (LEARNED behavior and practices) I don’t mean or affirm the “occasional misuse or abuse” experience. It is all alarming. Everyone should pause and take this seriously.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22
20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’- 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.
1 John
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
We must pray we are not led into false practices and stop trying to justify false teachings.
James 3
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness
Yeah until a new convert is used out of the blue. Ask how I know! I never learned it just happened.
Amen I’m in agreement with this teaching 👏🏼
Amen. ❤
On the day of judgment all those people that put down the holy ghost filled one God Jesus name preachers are gonna wish they had listened
Dr Bernard switches context from Church and Home Church in his discussion. Was the church at Corinth a home church in the context of what’s popular in Heterodoxy today?
You always attemp to twist things. Sad you’ve completely missed the point.
@@revamp6612 - I’m fairly confident Dr Bernard’s points were not missed. The reason why the Orthodox Church does not permit tongues in the Divine Liturgy is because of Paul’s correction to the Corinthians. The Divine Liturgy cannot be celebrated without a priest. So. Switching contexts between ‘Home Church’ and ‘Church’ is significant.
Tongues are not emphasized in Orthodoxy… they may be part of one’s experiences with interacting with the Divine Energies… but tongues is not salvation. Tongues cannot render salvation. The Holy Spirit is not a force. The Holy Spirit isn’t tongues alone.
@@realmccoy124 the church is not the building, the church is the bride of Christ. The church is the people. Not permitting tongues goes against scripture.
@@realmccoy124 Pastor Bernard did two podcasts on if tongues were required for salvation. He asserts that repenting being baptized in Jesus’ name and being baptized in the Holy Spirit necessary for salvation. He only suggest that speaking in tongues is evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.
@@kevinsmith5775 - if what you claim is true - this is a departure from the UPCIs standard doctrines. This is why folks run around adding to the Scriptures ‘with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues’. Folks who comment regularly on the channel are not in agreement with what you said Dr Bernard has stated in two of his recent videos.
I would imagine the disciples probably spoken Greek or maybe Hebrew but the people listening was all over the world and they heard it in their own language so I wouldn't actually call that speaking in tongues I would probably call that hearing in tongues
Did God stop being God to be a burning bush I think not God is a Spirit he's everywhere at the same time he can be a burning bush and a lamb at the same time
Will trinitarians be saved at the end?
Will Oneness and JW and Unitarians be saved in the end?
Once again, a quick "Spin" skipping through chapter 14. Verses, 5, 13, 19, 23... bring out the confusion being caused here within the assembly if one or many speak in tongues without an interpretation. How does Paul, then say its okay then? Show the texts where Paul says that it is okay, instead of spinning an explanation with reasoning. He just explained away Paul's four verses (5, 13, 19, 23) here, this what he has done is all, so now you can speak in tongues anytime you want, because you are speaking to God. Nooooooo, you are incorrect, Pastor Bernard.
Dr Bernard asserts that UPCIers have expertise in God and can discern and control the Holy Spirit while addressing those who are critical of the organization’s emphasis of tongues. How is it then, that abuse of tongues continues in the gatherings… and in order to enforce this ‘control’ - how is it not already a distraction or a disruption?
No more expertise than you always claim on here with orthodoxy. We are united in Jesus Christ and all do our best to interpret scripture. Is there abuse with tongues…sure. There is a human element there. Is it a distraction though? Are you upset about people that speak in tongues? It doesn’t bother me. It’s scriptural. Why wouldn’t we want this if many others in scripture were filled with the spirit and did it too.
@@kevinsmith5775 - hi Kevin. The official position of the Church has been, as I understand presently understand it - Paul’s correction to Corinthian Church is applicable to ALL jurisdictions in the Divine Liturgy - no tongues at all. The spiritual gifts are part of one’s experience in God, while interacting in the Divine Energies - but they are not emphasized in the Divine Liturgy…
You are right. Humans are flawed. And. If we were brutally honest - some of what happens in Pentecostal services is hyped up fleshy emotionalism. Why does it take a pumped up volume and bass and fast tempo for the Holy Ghost to appear in the gathering?
@@kevinsmith5775 - oh. I do not claim expertise in God - nor do I try to, nor think, I could control God as a created being.
@@realmccoy124who said anything about controlling God as a creating being?
How god chooses to deal with people and how people respond is between them and God. God will work on the hearts of those that are masquerading. David danced with all of his might in priests clothing and Michal had contempt toward him. We all know how that ended.
At the end of the day, we are all on our beautiful journey, with our eyes set on the kingdom of heaven, walking as close as possible to our Lord and Savior. As a church body let’s have unity. A house divided cannot stand. All these denominations are worrisome IMO. I look forward to the fay we are all one in Christ in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Kevin, its not worth speaking to this guy. He loves to hear himself and poetically move the goal posts of the conversation so that it never gets anywhere and he never has to answer the real questions. He will just throw big religious words at you to try and dazzle you with his false religion nonsense.
Who ever is speaking against what he is try speak in knowledge understanding they need too seek out the holy ghost and be baptized in the name of Jesus. Go through the book of acts and you'll understand what he's telling you.
So are we to understand what his word of knowledge means or seek baptism and Holy Ghost? What? Do you understand that by your framing and formula you mean seek the Holy Ghost and baptism and then we’ll understand David Bernard? He is a “teacher” he should be widely understood period especially if he is teaching the true word of God But just to put it plainly to you. He is perfectly understood by what he is saying and one can accept or deny it plainly. I urge you to seek the Holy Spirit for understanding and test and see what he is saying is truth or false, the word of God gives you this truth. Not his doctrine or commentaries.
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
1 John
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
I am pretty sure I’ve read the book of Acts - repeatedly in the 25 years I walked in Oneness Pentecostalism. I noticed that Dr Bernard skillfully mentions Acts 2, 10, and 19 … Jews, Gentiles, and the disciples of John the forerunner. He skipped over 8 - the conversion of the Samaritans because there were no tongues present. Just like the Ethiopian eunuch…. And Paul, who wrote most of our New Testament - does not once say ‘you gotta speak in tongues to be saved’ - in any of his epistles … nothing like it in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, Thessalonians… we only see tongues once in Paul’s writings and that is in this chapter the video focuses on 1 Cor 14… where he is bringing a correction to the folks there who emphasized and abused tongues.
Dr Bernard is trying to explain away folks who are calling out against the UPCIs emphasis of tongues - by stating the organization thinks they’re on point with Scriptures… but in doing so - he is also acknowledging there is abuse of tongues within the organization - and he is guiding pastors on how to address this issue.
I strongly urge you to read the whole Bible and understand what the true gospel is. The UPCI and David Bernard are in direct violation of Scripture and are therefore walking and living in disobedience. I’ve been blinded by this false teaching and by the grace of God, he saved me and THEN the Holy Spirit indwelled me and illuminated the Scriptures and provided understanding.
@@linagarcia8873 would you mind telling me what you feel like the gospel is now? I’m not trying to argue, but I am curious about your comment.
Since there is only one gospel, and I believe I know what it is, can you tell me what it is to you?
@@daltonjames8466 God is our creator.
He is Holy 1 Peter 1:15-16. This notion of perfection is the only acceptable standard.
He is Just. God will judge according to perfect justice. Job 34:12 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
He IS love. 1 John 4:8. His love inclined him to author a solution for our problem of sin and our inevitable judgement.
Here’s the key…no one can become a Christian unless they understand the implication of that problem that they are in a state of sin. So you must face and accept that this is bad news for you. You are in danger. See Isaiah 59:2 for how sin causes separation. And therefore we are born into a state of sin. Which is why we need to be “born again”.
When one is convinced and understands the “bad news,” they are ready to hear the “good news”! Which is the greatest news! It’s all about Jesus Christ.
Jesus is God. In the Old Testament, the prophecies of the coming Messiah was someone more than a mere human Isaiah 9:6, Daniel 7:13-14. Understanding that Jesus is God becomes a test of one’s Christian profession in 1 John 4:2-3. Jesus had to be God as the only qualitative and quantitative atonement that was adequate to save us 1 John 3:5, 1 Peter 2:22, Hebrews 7:27, Hebrews 9:14.
He lived and died as our substitute 2 Corinthians 5:21.
He conquered death for us. He eliminated for Christians the separation that existed between Him and us! 1 Corinthians 15:12-28.
That’s the beautiful Gospel.
Knowing and accepting the facts of the Gospel doesn’t make you a Christian. This is how you get a bunch of how the Bible puts it…professing Christians but not real Christians.
You have to actually respond to the Gospel message.
Turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus. Acts 20:21.
Repentance is to change one’s way of living as the product of an entire change of thought and attitude with regard to sin and righteousness. Repenting is turning from sin and turning to God. 1 Thessalonians 1:8-9, Acts 14:15.
Having faith in Jesus is to trust in HIS righteousness and HIS accomplishments. Philippians 3:8-9. Having faith in Jesus means that you stop trusting in your own accomplishments, and from that moment on you keep your trust and confidence in Jesus ALONE as the sole provision for your sinful condition.
The Bible teaches faith to be “trust” and “confidence”. The misunderstanding of faith is widely taught in the UPCI. They teach faith is works and belief. Only agreeing with the facts of the Gospel is actually putting your trust in your own understanding and in your own logic. Although your understanding of the Gospel is crucial, merely agreeing with those facts and believing them doesn’t save you.
How to become a Christian? Turning from sin and turning to God and trusting in Jesus’ completed work on the cross is rightly responding to the Gospel.
How will you know if you truly are saved and are a true Christian? Real Christians bear real fruit. Matthew 7:22-23, 2 Cor 5:17, John 15:8. Being a Christian naturally produces good deeds. Works do not happen before salvation. See Ephesians 2:8-10.
We have been saved by the grace of God. Not because of anything we did on our own to earn it. We do not deserve it. We simply repent and trust in him for the rest of our lives placing our confidence in HIS work alone. Having assurance in your salvation is trusting in 0% in what you have done, and 100% in what God has done. Notice how I never talked about Acts 2:38. Baptism is not necessary for salvation. And UPCI pastors teach by also adding “with evidence of speaking in tongues” but that is not Scripture. That is adding to the Bible.
I came from the UPCI and yes I came to know the Lord. But in a way, you can know God and for example “date” God, even LOVE him with your whole heart, but not enter into a covenant with him. Just like people “date” each other. They would admit to know them fully, to love them, to care for them, do things for them, your heart might break for them, but you do not enter in a covenant relationship with them until marriage. For years I thought I was saved. Because I agreed with the facts, loved Jesus, and trusted in my obedience to him by getting baptized. David Bernard is teaching wrongly, and sadly this produces “pastors” that also teach wrongly.
Even in this video, David Bernard is using eisegesis instead of exegesis. We have passages in the Bible that are descriptive and others that are prescriptive. This video is an example of David Bernard using a descriptive passage and using it as prescriptive one. He teaches that Christians are to duplicate this. It is the work of the Holy Spirit that illuminates His Word and gives understanding. We are to understand Scripture how God intended it. When UPCI pastors are preaching legalism, it produces 2 things. 1. It leaves you feeling good because you are trusting in your works (example: not cutting women’s hair, shaving mens beards, obeying your Pastor blindly. Speaking in “gibberish” and claiming it’s tongues.) And this is how self righteousness increases. Or 2. It produces the reality that you can never do enough, and you fail constantly and you turn to trusting in your repentance instead and your self reproach increases. Both of these destroy your soul.
God bless you!
Where does the scripture state those who heard those gathered in the Upper Room in their own languages, “speak in other tongues with the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost” - as many Pentecostals assert? Or did God add a certain number of souls to the Church with no mention of tongues such who would be saved … and Pentecostals wrongly insert into the text their teachings?
You are mixing two comments by Apostolics and trying to act like it is all one. Acts 2:7-12 KJVS
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? [8] And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? [9] Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, [10] Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, [11] Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. [12] And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
The reason Apostolics say “With the evidence”, is because every time someone received the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues. You are always twisting what is really said. Someone else does that also.
@@hargisP2 - actually. I am not twisting. Where does it say in the conversion of the Samaritans that tongues were present? Dr Bernard aptly jumped over that chapter when he said. Acts 2, 10, 19…. Jews, Gentiles, Disciples of John the Forerunner…. Where does Paul speak in tongues at his conversion? There is no verse in the NT where you will read ‘with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues’. Nope. Sorry. Not a single verse.
@@hargisP2 - if tongues were central to Paul’s soteriology - where does he mention tongues to Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Philipi, Colossians? He does not once state ‘you have to speak in tongues to be saved’. Not once. In fact, the only times he mentions tongues in Corinthians - he is bringing a correction.
Salvation IS NOT tongues… Tongues does not produce Salvation.
@@realmccoy124 I know we will not agree on this issue; however, I greatly respect your conduct on this page with many people who disagree with you, so this not an argument with me: simply a theological view.
There is no explicit verse that says “with the evidence of speaking with other tongues”, but Acts 15:7 does say (speaking of Cornelius and his house) that the Holy Ghost “bare them witness”. The Greek word used there means “gave them evidence”.
We know that the disciples were amazed that they received the Holy Ghost, “for they heard them speak with tongues”. It’s how they knew.
How did Philip know that the Samaritans had not received the Spirit? It would be highly offensive to believers today to tell anyone, “you haven’t received the Spirit yet” after they had believed and been baptized. It didn’t mention tongues, but it does imply that there was a witness of the Spirit.
Paul says in Acts 20 that “the Spirit witnesseth in every city” speaking of prophecy that he would be bound at Jerusalem. When he says that the Spirit witnessed, he was referring to a supernatural event. In Romans 8:16, he says that the Spirit itself bears witness with our Spirit.
Peter said the Spirit bears witness in Acts 15.
John says the Spirit bears witness in 1 John 5.
The witness of the Spirit in the Gospels is the voice of the Spirit which is present at the baptism of Jesus saying that he was the Son of God.
John 3:8, according to the Greek text, says that every one who is born of the Spirit will hear the “voice thereof”.
Tongues were the seal that the apostles accepted to know someone had been baptized in the Spirit.
Just my two cents.
Also, I agree with you on John 6. The Lord’s supper is put aside in many Apostolic churches, and I believe that is a shame. God bless you, my friend.
@@daltonjames8466 - hi. Trust me. I can be trifling like the best of them. But thank you. As for what you wrote from a cursory glance, I am in agreement, where I differ from most on this channel is ‘tongues are necessary for salvation’… and where many UPCIers deduced the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, down to ‘tongues’ … and make the Holy Spirit as a ‘force’.
They that were of the circumcision literally lost their wits when Gentile Dogs received the same baptism as they did… this event bared witness … because of their unbelief and that of Peter. This was a sign for their own unbelief because God made both Samaritans AND Gentiles equal to them… His name had become great among the Gentiles… Today salvation is open to all… But tongues, in and of themselves, isn’t salvation…. And neither is baptism… (but the normative is to be baptized… there is an oikonomea… we see that with the thief on the cross when he cried out, ‘remember me in your kingdom’.
Well. Enjoy your day. Be encouraged as your soul prospers. Cuthbert.
On the day of Pentecost, there appeared cloven tongues as of fire. The Church has always recognized this - and continues to do so… But those cloven tongues were understood by those who had heard this event outside of the upper room - ‘in their own languages’.
Yet no where after the resurrection did a priest breath on them. Stop the hypocrisy.
That doesn't explain why unbelievers thought they were drunk; if they were just speaking in another language why did they assume they were drunk??
@@revamp6612 - are you sure revamp? I mean, who of the Apostolic Fathers, the Church Fathers, and Latin Fathers have you actually read? And. Where did Jesus say to his disciples that this breathing on them - was for them only and forbade them not to continue this practice?
@@revamp6612 - so. Have you experienced the reality of Jesus’s teachings where you eat his flesh and drink his blood - or you are not his disciple? Tongues or no tongues… how are you connected to the Passover / Pascha in word and deed? Where is the connection to Judaism beyond citing Deut 6:4?
@@realmccoy124 did Jesus literally eat his own flesh? Did he literally drink his own blood.?
In Acts 2:17, it says: "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
My question is, when God says He will pour out of his Spirit upon ALL flesh in the last days, we can't be certain that every person will speak in tongues. Isn't it marvelous to know that God WILL pour out of his Spirit upon all flesh? No man or denomination can decide who is filled and who is not and how a faithful God will accomplish this. There may be many people who are sealed with God's Spirit, in a way that none of us can say for certainty what that will mean. There are many believers who don't speak in tongues. AGain, Acts 2:17 mentions that those filled will dream dreams, prophesy, and see visions. There may be many filled believers who don't speak in tongues, but have visions, dream dreams and prophesy. I think that the constant focus on just 'tongues' alienates other filled believers from feeling part of the Body of Christ.
I would also like to know why there is no focus on prophesy, dreams, and visions, right now, as we are definitely in the last days. There is little power that I see manifested in churches today. And these manifestations don't have to include screaming, and yelling, but our God can speak plainly to us in a gentle manner. The apostolic way sometimes becomes theatrical and the loudest get the most attention. We know that God's ways are not man's ways.
Solid response Jackie!
You’re saying if the service is under way, and the majority listening, then don’t spontaneously speak in tongues with no interpreter or outsiders will think you’re crazy? Meanwhile, spontaneously speaking in tongues is perfectly acceptable if everyone is at the altar? The outsiders are supposed to think this is orderly now? Where does Paul change up the rules?
What about when in the midst of a sermon the preacher screams, “talk in tongues right now!” What about when all are at the altar and the preacher is talking and people listening but many are loudly speaking in tongues?
Dr. Bernard, you’re saying these cases might be a misuse? Why is this never called out and corrected then? Why are the prophecies not judged according to scripture and the “prophet” marked and avoided when they’re also false? It seems the misuse of gifts is perfectly normal behavior for the UPCI.
Sorry, but Paul never made a distinction in tongues speaking or a case for when mass tongues speaking could occur. Acts 2 is not an example. These people were hearing them all speak in their own real languages. In Acts 10 they heard them magnify God. That means the crowd had to have heard a language they understood. These situations didn’t need interpreting since they heard their language being spoken. I have never seen a scenario in the UPCI where a real language was heard or anything remotely resembling such, just the same repetitive syllables spoken.
You all completely miss the point of tongues. It was always a sign to unbelievers and used to spread the good news about Christ or to edify the body, not the individual. We were never commanded to “seek the Holy Ghost” or to speak in tongues. That’s why Paul said “do all speak in tongues?” No.
I am not against speaking in tongues but this video feels disingenuous. It supposes that the UPCI practices orderly tongues speaking and that is not true. I just spoke with someone recently who visited a big UPCI church and left terrified before the service ended. I have a friend who visited in 1999 and the evangelist said the Lord WOULD return in the year 2000. She was terrified and reminded me recently of her experience. This is just one of the many false prophecies I’ve heard. I have seen exactly zero of these cases be called out and the minister sat down. Nope, these men preach all over and work up the crowds to this day. This is exactly the misuse Paul preached against. People wake up! This movement is full of hype not substance.
It's because the people gathered in the place speak different languages, therefore they can understand that was mentioned on Acts 10.
@@miyakakizakiseiro1723yes. So is that what’s happening in today’s UPCI? The fact is they want to try and match their experiences/services to the instances in Acts. A close analysis reveals that things are definitely not the same.
How many times have I heard UPCI preachers yell - speak in tongues… and folks just start with ‘sounds’ - I mean, does the Holy Ghost as purported in the Organization - come with a lexicon - so we can understand what these repeating sounds are? I believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and I am not against tongues … there’s the real deal… and then I suspect there is a whole lotta flesh glorying in the presence of the Lord
Upci people are supposed to sound the same one mind one accord one gospel one Lord one faith one baptism hear o Israel the Lord our God is one Lord.
John MacArther teaches no tongues at all and it was only for the 1st century church and doesn’t exist today
I’m pretty sure no one in the UPCI will look to John MacArthur as an authority to address tongues. They would disregard him because he isn’t a UPCI minister.
He's a little too late because I spoke in tongues the very first time I felt the presence of God and have many times since then. Too late to try to convince me that it's only for the 1st Century church.
in the first definitive case there was what? All people spoke in understood languages - which 99.99% of Pentecostals and Charismatics today do not. So that is the first fail. Secondly what happened to those on the day of pentecost. They had tongues of fire on their heads. That also happens to 99.99% not today - so that is a second fail for Charismatics and Pentecostals today, which means what happened in Acts cannot be a template for what happens to everyone... later in ch 19 we see Paul say they spoke in tongues & prophecied... if that was ALL DID BOTH {which the passage does not say} then Pentecostals would have to insist that ALL prophecy - which Paul flatly denies in 1 Cor 12... Don't be fooled by the claims made - check the scripture for yourself. There are no uninteiiligble tongues anywhere in the book of Acts. Luke wrote Acts, and was Paul's travel companion, so likely Luke was with Paul when he wrote the letter to the Corinthians.... in chapter 12 we have a definitive NOT ALL speak in tongues, and then in 1 Cor 14 we have Paul deal with the public gift... there are no "two different" kinds of tongues in 1 Cor 14 - just instructions for using the gift in public. If the gifts are to be operated today then Paul's instructions in 1 Cor 14 are to be followed and certainly - Pentecostals and Charismatics violate this in two ways. (a) they speak in tongues of a kind that are not mentioned in the Bible at all, and (b) they speak without an interpreter...
Do you believe there are angels?
Cessationists doesn't believe that the gifts of the Spirit are still operating even today. There's no demonstration of the power of God in their churches . They don't know what it felt like to feel and to be filled with God's presence.
Sounds like you’ve never had the Holy Ghost
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There you go you just summed up the modern day pencostal experience saying you don't know the feeling?
The just walks by faith,not by sight or feeling.
@@jacobit49 Yes I do - but that does not lead to the conclusion that Paul's use of the term "if I could speak in the tongues of angels" - (A) that statement is obvious hyperbole as the context very clearly demonstrates. (B) that statement by Paul does not say "tongues of angels = unintelligible gibberish" - this is an unsurmountable hurdle of bad interpretation by the Pentecostal. If the gifts are in operation today - then they must be LIKE the ones in the NT and the Pentecostal Charismatics ones are very clearly not so... it gets even more disconcerting when you find out that atheists, and people of all sorts of other religions can do the "unintelligible" tongue speaking too... It removes all shadow of doubt that what people experience today is NOT what the early church experienced
The first purpose of Christian worship is NOT to evangelize the inquirer. This notion of ‘winning the Lost’ was born out of the American Revivalist period. The central focus of Christian worship stands in the reality of the Resurrection… a mini Pascha - and to receive the Body and Blood of Christ. The emphasis of Christian worship is God… not man. And to take part in the Holy Mysteries…. As the Christian has worked on their own soul’s salvation throughout the week in their spiritual disciplines - through the Divine Energies. God is glorified through one’s good deeds… by loving the soul they come in contact with in our daily living out our Faith in obedience… ‘Come and See’ - is a faithful witness that evangelizes those outside of the Church.
Mark 16:15 KJVS
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Yes worship is for God. Why are you seeking worship for your self.
Winning the lost is what Jesus commissioned the apostles to do
@@hargisP2 - the Divine Liturgy is solely focused on worshiping God. Inquirers may join and experience the presence of God… but, they are not the reason why the Community has gathered together…
Yes, the Great Commission occurs when you live your life - and loving the person into the Faith by your chaste conversation. And inviting them to ‘Come and See’….
@@eballerproductions3022 - and the Divine Liturgy focuses on worshipping God in spirit and in truth… inquirers may be present … but, they will need to enter the Church through proper catechism… learn the faith, find a sponsor - to becoming newly illumined - through baptism, chrismation, and tonsuring and receiving the body and blood of Jesus Christ. We evangelize the lost through our daily lives and chaste conversation where God is glorified. But the sole purpose of Christian worship is glorify God and experience the Divine Mysteries - the culmination of our daily working out our soul’s salvation - in Community.
@@eballerproductions3022 - yes. But. The purpose of the Divine Liturgy isn’t about the lost… it is about worshipping God. The Inquirer will experience the actual presence of the Lord in that moment … and there’s a process for them to properly enter the Church.
This is false teaching. This is direct violation of Scripture and therefore you are walking and living in disobedience. I urge you to repent and seek God and hear the TRUE gospel.
Whats your reasoning or evidence in scripture? Probably a good idea to explain yourself before throwing around accusations of false teaching.
@@aleriaproductions2869 The Scripture that David Bernard is using is specifically a descriptive passage. Not a prescriptive passage. This is adding to the Bible.
“You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.”
(Deuteronomy 4:2)
The warning to Israel not to add or take away from God’s commands was needed. Human nature is such that we try to “improve” on what God has said-as if His perfect Word needs editing. Or in David Bernard’s case, “clarifying by interpreting wrongly.” This is where David Bernard is falsely teaching. He is using eisegesis instead of exegesis. I strongly urge you to understand what that means and if you are a professing Christian, seek His Word and allow the Holy Spirit to illuminate God’s Word to understand the intended meaning.
One of Jesus’ rebukes of the Pharisees and experts of the law of His day concerned their failure to heed Moses’ instructions. Jesus told them, “You nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down” (Mark 7:13)
A prescriptive passage is 1 Corinthians 14:27-28
“If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.”
Which David Bernard dismisses by using a different descriptive passage where “over a hundred spoke in tongues”. This is false teaching. Violation of Scripture is disobedience. He needs to repent. If you are a professing Christian who agrees with this teaching, I urge you to repent. If you are genuinely, out of concern asking about why this is false because you don’t know, I urge you to read Scripture and do not follow any pastor’s teachings blindly. Like the bereans did, study the Scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate His Word. Also, if you are asking genuinely and humbly, then I encourage you to study the difference between eisegesis and exegesis and look into expository teaching. Something the UPCI either conveniently avoids or claims they do but they don’t.