PATREON : www.patreon.com/maraganger TWITTER : twitter.com/maraganger Easily one of my fave videos so far, just a lot of fun stuff to talk about when it comes to Suda and I may have gone a bit overboard with this one haha ! Hopefully next outing with the man will be a bit shorter but at least it will be THE SILVER CASE. 👁
I love to hear your interpretation of Killer7's politics, symbolism and more on a spoiler video at some point in the future because everyone’s interpretation have always been super intriguing that adds more depth to the game's lore.
I played Killer7 for the first time on PC only a couple of years ago and I was genuinely surprised with how well it aged and how much I liked it. It's genuinely like nothing I'd ever experienced before and I think it's is a prime-time example of something that is greater than the sum of its parts. Total banger of a vid, and the transition graphics are the *chef's kiss* aesthetically pleasing cherry on top
Despite the fact that I'm a fan of Suda51 and have beaten a good amount of his games, I haven't gotten around to Killer7. This video has done a great job of getting me amped to get around to it sooner rather than later, impeccable work as always!
THIS VIDEO!!!!! It has to be your best so far!!! I loved every one of your transitions!! Your style just keeps growing and doesn't seem to be slowing down!! Killer 7 is such an amazing game and you made me want to play through it !
This game showed me why they call them “Cult” classics. When I played Killer 7 for the first time in my teens, it burrowed itself deeply into my skull. For example: The flourishes in between levels with the laser pointer and moon sequence thing still plays in my head sometimes when I’m anticipating a transition in my life. Like I remember clearly seeing it in my dream just before I woke up on my first day at my first job.. it was trippy man. It doesn’t even stop there lol. There’s just something so liminal and intangible about the game that is really absent in other games with more “substance”. Ya know.. whatever that means Idk why im typing all this Anyway, Incredible video!! I’m glad im not alone in my appreciation for this game and all it’s eccentricities. I hope im still kind of alone in my manic subconscious obsession with it tho lmao Just glad to see someone really gets it!
You've seen how in some drawings, you can recognize the artstyle as characteristic of an artist? That's the human personality coming through. And the same happens with games, even if I never noticed until now. There's people putting part of their own identity in what they create and we can see and feel it
I was directed to this channel by Adam Millard. I went to your video library, and I was immediately drawn to this one. I loved killer7 when I was in high school / university. It was a game I tried to get other people to try, but most found it too obtuse. For years, I've wanted to replay this game, but thought I couldn't since I don't have a Gamecube or a Wii on hand. I had no idea there was a PC port, so I bought it on Steam a few minutes after the part in this video where you mentioned it, and it's downloading right now. Thanks for making me aware of its existence. Also, solid video. It got you a subscriber today.
when i was a kid my dad worked in a church late at night and it was freaking huge, i would run around all alone and playing Killer7 reminded me of those big lonely spaces so much it was so freaking cool
REJECT CONFORMITY! I adore the way you describe things. It is inspiring and makes me appreciate media/art so much more for what it is and can be and the feelings that come with it. ฅ’ω’ฅ
I still have my gamecube copy of this game from like a month or two after the game originally came out. I was always looking for stuff that spoke more to me rather than dropping money on what others were playing as well. video games, in my eye, have an insanely unique position to really just do whatever and it is a bit saddening with the constant push for realism instead of focusing more on a creative edge and alternate viewpoints of topics rarely touched on.
to this day i still dont believe this game exists, nevermind that it was released almost 2 decades ago Killer7 wasnt ahead of its time, Killer7 is atemporal, as any great art piece is p good video ganger ranger friend
this vid... was SO GOOOOOOD!! so many subtle touches to the writing that make it such a well paced vid. like clear pacebreaker moments highlighting we are done with a section. little moments to breathe or just chuckle, all with stylish editing flair. so many touches that make this work so well as a youtube vid... loved it, the passion was clear
I played Killer 7 waaaaay back when it was first released and it's an all time favourite of mine Thank you for talking about it because it needs to be talked about more
You've described in this video why no matter how crazy the plot or devices or powers get, I will never turn my back on Kingdom Hearts. Yeah, it's goofy nonsense sometimes, but like... it reminds me every time that real life doesn't always make sense either but that I can choose to smile about it. That all I need to do is try to keep my feet underneath me and reach out to others who are scared as the tide of time sweeps us along.
Hell yeah, Kingdom Hearts' such a good series ! I don't get why folks get caught up about the lore not making sense or anything. I'd rather have the story be fun than everything making sense all the time. B)
I've been meaning to get back to killer7 for a while. On the handsome man level xD Think this video's given me an extra push. Great game, great video. Thank you :)
Awesome analysis on such a crazy cool game! I came across this channel and video looking for an analysis on Killer7 and you were able to put in so much more than just a typical overview on the game and it’s messages. Keep on with your style! Your video inspires me to be able to talk about the games I love like this and I like knowing there are people out there who are passionate about games and appreciate them as I tend to do. I can’t wait to explore more of suda51’s work and continue to branch out!
Thank you for making these videos!! watching this video and the one you made about the "sliver case" as well as "Flower, Sun, and Rain" helped me to make the choice to buy both killer7 and sliver case and I am starting to play them. I used to write suda51's works off as bizarre and weird with nothing really to them. but as I have played more recent games and games that lack any sense of style and then starting to play killer7 I've realized how many games lack any style and how amazing it can make a game. The way killer7 feels to play is so different from anything else I Have tried and i love the unorthodox controls and camera angles. Though I suck at the game, the characters and writing and the looks of everything has well kept me drawn in. I look forward to completing it and the sliver case as well as any other suda51 games i can get my hands on. Thank you Mara!! Also is your profile picture art from the "Nishioka Brothers"? Reminds me of the "The Day of Salvation" manga.
@@maraganger hell yeah!! I Was trying to remember kami no kodomo! Im terrible with names but the art style always stuck with me. Its what made me click on your channel. I Was shocked to see anyone else had seen it before.
Speedrunning and minmaxing is what I do to kill time, now, a game that's successful in terms of world buiding and atmosphere, that's something special.
Loved the video! (and your other videos as well, that Yume Nikki one was awesome!) I helped do QA work on the Steam version of the game. It was my first experience with Killer7 and it was truly special experience. I'm really happy with the way the port turned out and that a lot more people can experience the game now. It's definitely one of those games where you play it through once and you never really forget anything about it because it's so memorable. Games like Killer7 really helped solidify my love for video games. Again, awesome video. :)
Aw thank you and especially for your QA work on the game ! Defo fun to revisit it since the Gamecube version was so long ago, though the memories of my first experience never faded haha ! :>
As someone who actually gave a chance to Killer7 back in 05/06 (I still have my original gamecube copy!), hearing someone describe those people as the "nichest, coolest of gamers" warms my heart like you have no idea. Fuck yeah the game was awesome, and still is! Sadly, I couldn't never convince anyone else to jump in, lol.
"the daily things, like this and that and what is what." You just threw that in there. With reckless abandon. This is why I'm subscribed. And the KILLER CONTENT!
I’ve known about this game for a couple years now, but never got around to playing it. I finally did a few weeks ago and I just beat it today, and just wow. I’ve been unable to stop thinking about it, like genuinely every part of the game was so interesting, I don’t think I’ve played a game that has captured me more than killer 7 did
Awesome video ♥️ I'm glad that Killer7 finally got the recognition it deserves in recent years. Played it back in 2007 on the GameCube when my brother gave it to me since he didn't understood what it was about and didn't like it and I'm really thankful he did.
planning on playing the rest of the ktp series thanks to this and my friends, so far ive only beaten killer7 and ranko tsukigime (does this even count? theres some past vs future stuff but thats about it), and read kurayami dance. suda is kind of insane honestly but im really enjoying the ride, looking forward to the silver case and fsr- thank you for making this video to allow so many people to reaffirm their love for this series and to introduce them to it, me especially
Glad I finally got a straightforward definition for what is "kill the past" contained in a fucking baller vid dude. You seriously put into words what I love about Suda's work (ok im an NMH fan). Like Jesus, the russian roulette track is the kinda shit I'd DREAM of scoring something to, I fuck so hard with high stakes shit paired with dance music, like the playful dissonance is so fucking good. But also Masafumi Takada is kinda incapable of missing and I fucked with that same tension he brought to Danganronpa. But like overall your take on style and substance being one and the same like, you ever know something in your artistic heart but you can't piece it all together or properly word it til someone fucking says it?? Yeah I had that moment. Gotta get back to my playthrough of Killer7 now. I started it and ended up dropping it between life being busy and not all the way clicking with it (though definitely enjoyed my time) but oh man it's a priority now.
This video is seriously awesome, really reflects everything Suda is all about better than a lot of videos i’ve seen on the site. amazing presentation and expertly written. love love love this. kill the past!
Great video! While I myself actually really enjoyed Killer7's gameplay, I feel that of all of Suda's games it's the one that can be most easily done outside of gaming as a medium. What I mean is that I honestly feel that Killer7 could've just been a manga or something like Kurayami Dance without anything being lost in the transition. To be honest I guess that's probably what I would've preferred since to do this day I'm still sad about all of Killer7's cut content and the fact that we missed out on getting a Kevin (my favorite of the Smiths) chapter. I just I just have to hope Suda one day makes good on his Killer7 Director's Cut promise.
Oh yeah that's defo something I'm looking forward to. I remember him saying he was planning on it but who knows right, especially after he said the same thing about a PS2 remaster of Flower, Sun and Rain. ; w ;
As one who is making a unique fanfic, suda51, yoko taro and kodaka, nomura and kojima are my main reasons i love unique games especially the kill the past series, danganronpa, drakengard and nier.
I've wanted to play this game since its release and just never got around to it, even the steam version I just never picked up despite realing liking the No More Heroes games. Also I really resonate with the section about what you value in gaming (story and aethetics) over particular mechanics or sheer competition. As I've gotten older I've realized I value that sort of "experience" that a story driven game provides that multiplayer big numbers go up games can't generally provide (and really aren't trying to tbf)
Bruh, once you started talking about how you started to focus more on the "technical" side of things and that started to make gaming less fun to you, I feel you. I used to play The Division and TD2 like that. Min-maxing, worrying about builds, how to run missions as fast as possible, yada yada. But that kind of killed the experience of it for me and subsequently, most other games. A year after putting the game down I went back and just casually played through it again and began to notice the detailed environments, climactic set piece moments, small easter eggs sprinkled throughout, the ridiculous amount of world interaction, stellar ambient music, etc. I started engaging with the core mechanics more and realized how much I was missing out on by just focusing on "perfection." And now I literally can't go back. I play all games just to have a good time now and that's why I typically avoid anything PvP. It warps your mind into the "git gud, scrub" mindset and takes away so much.
It's kinda funny, but the first time I played killer 7, I was like... 15. I eventually grew into the title. At first just taking the stylish, very unique way the game plays and looks. Then, as I grew, slowly understaning the actual game. It grew on me, pun intended, and influenced A LOT of my preferences in style and design. 10 years later, I still like it
Idk how i remembered the cassette info for the dual lock system. I definitely remember having to write down all the key info from the cassettes for the terminal later lmao
Amazing video as usual, I really wanna play Killer7 now. Funnily enough, my first interaction with Suda51's work was with Ranko Tsukigime's Longest Day, did you play that one ? I loved it to bits honestly.
Aw hell yeah, hope you'll enjoy if you go through it eventually ! Also yeah, I do know Short Peace, it was defo a weird experience at first but it really warmed up to me after a couple of play sessions. Even though I'm kinda bad at Bit Trip Runner-esque games. ; w ;
loved the bit about style v substance. there's definitely work out there whose presentational finesse exceeds its thematic depth, but there's an awful lot of art where style IS substance; their idiosyncrasies being more than just a cool way to present the story but an intrinsic part of how it's told and that fits suda's whole oeuvre to a T. even the genuinely "style over substance" stuff that's flashy because it's cool has its place, imo. you can admire the craftsmanship and ogle the cool aesthetics even if the things it has to say won't exactly change your life. great vid! thinking about stuff owns.
Aw hell yeah, thank you ! ; w ; I defo agree with you, there's too much of a concern in big gaming spheres as to makes a game really ""worth it"" as a whole package and idk. Just vibing with the aesthetic can be more than enough. B)
Another slam dunk with this one, Mara. I think I'll have to watch it again to fully take it in, finally getting around to crossing Killer7 off my backlog would help a lot as well. Something that came to mind when you were discussing the philosophy and realities of STYLE over SUBSTANCE is the consumer concept of BANG for your BUCK (Boomer rant incoming). I remember pretty much throughout the 2000's and early 2010's, there was a massive push for games designed with bang for your buck concepts in mind. I remember FFXII being lauded as having a 200 hour minimum playtime and the phrase "replayability" was almost compulsory in just about every game review in a magazine in that time, not to mention the cultural phenomenon that GTA was becoming. With Killer7 releasing in June of 2005, a few months prior to the release of the Xbox 360 as well as being at the tail end of the PS2 generation, Killer7 could not have released at a worse time in terms of consumer reception; gaming was getting expensive and only the most seasoned, curious and adventurous of gamers would have dared to take a chance on Killer7, assuming they had the money to do in the first place! I think that regardless of the success that cult-classic games like these have, either critical, commercial or even technical, there will *always* be an audience and a market for them. I still hold on to the hope that I'll see a GOD HAND sequel someday or even a revival of light-gun games like time crisis and point blank. Anyway, brilliant video Mara, I could not have a greater inspiration for clearing out my backlog😁
Oh yeah I totally get what you mean. There was such a huge push for games to last longer and longer in those years which eventually bled out into nowadays where games are practically forced to be 60+ hours otherwise they're deemed as lesser, whatever that means. But thank you so much though, I'm so glad you vibed with the vid ! B)
@@maraganger you make really good points about wierd gamer elitism tho, why do games have to "fit in"? People feeling like that is shitty already why we gotta do that to our art
One of my biggest issues with the NMH series is the first one DOES have a lot of substance; a lot of commentary on Travis as an avatar for video game players. Then in all three sequels, it tosses that commentary aside for "Haha Travis is Anime Deadpool isnt he cool?" Its sucks.
Yeaaah, it defo could've been handled better. I recall Suda stating that he didn't want to continue the series and wanted to leave it at that after 1 but y'know, capitalism do be a thing.
I don’t think it tossed aside substance at all, just had a different focus on its themes. 2 seems that way at first but I think it’s about the effects capitalism has on art, TSA is a look through Suda’s mind on his creations and game development as well as what it means to be away from what defines you for so long, and 3 is about hero culture and what defines a hero, as well as the idea of paradise in death, friendship, memories, and is perhaps the most kill the past entry in the quadrilogy. Even 3 integrated it’s themes into the gameplay with how the side missions are all to help the people of Santa Destroy, rather than like 1 where it’s mostly to get him to the assassination missions. Even the VN Segments are him being a good person, and it feels like the series has him grow from a terrible, selfish asshole to a person with a family and friends who can call himself a hero now.
OOO there it goes, another ball, knocked right out of the park! I've only heard so much about Killer 7, with me knowing a little more about Suda's other games, but without a doubt, almost every time I've heard people discuss Suda's work they boil him down to that crazy and nonsensical game dev, who also has horny elements in his projects. Projects that tend to have abrasive controls and or ways you can interact with them. I find that boiling Suda, and anybody's work down like that, and even comparing a game dev's work to a movie director 's work is reductive in a way that's destructive. Not always of course, but in some situations it can be. I get it, labels are easy to slap onto things so people can get a quick parse on something, however I feel that it is cruel to games in a sense. I don't necessarily think people mean it this way, but by constantly comparing games to movies, as if you're comparing apples to apples, you create this situation where games as well as the people who work on them are in the shadow of other media,. Pushing this idea that they aren't as valuable, or that their craft shouldn't be respected as much. By being so reductive too it leads to the creation of semi or completely false identity issues, which is something I think that the souls series has to an extent. People constantly say the souls games are difficult, which yes they can be, but by constantly just labeling the soul series as that, and if that is all you hear about that series, then you'll end up getting this false impression that souls games are the hardest games in existence. That pushes people who may actually love what the souls games, but in this context, Suda's games have to offer. And that stinks. I really appreciate how you talked about Killer 7, to be honest, you've won me over and now I have to eventually find time to play through it lmao Speaking of which, Style over substance! I totally agree with you, I feel like this post is a lot more retrospective than I thought it was going to be but oh well. I feel like people have such an old relationship with how they view art from any media. It feels like one extreme or the other, that something is perfect or worth your time, or something is flawed and not worth your time. And I just wish more people would open up to the fact that things you love can be flawed. Something can have awful or rough pacing, but have moments that generally touch your heart and bring you joy. Even if that feeling may be fleeting, or small in comparison to the issues you may have with the whole, the fact that the experience touched you, or moved you, made you excited, I think that should be cherished more. I also find it really cool that games like Killer 7, Golden Eye 64, and etc are games that have been popular, of course by varying degrees, but have had a boost or a resurgence in the past few decades due to PC ports! Really nice stuff.
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Easily one of my fave videos so far, just a lot of fun stuff to talk about when it comes to Suda and I may have gone a bit overboard with this one haha ! Hopefully next outing with the man will be a bit shorter but at least it will be THE SILVER CASE. 👁
I love to hear your interpretation of Killer7's politics, symbolism and more on a spoiler video at some point in the future because everyone’s interpretation have always been super intriguing that adds more depth to the game's lore.
Thought this was a Thorhighheels video when clicking on that thumbnail lol
Aw hell yeah, I absolutely love his sense of style. B)
I like how much of yourself is poured into the video, stay powerful 🔥
Aw thank you. It's defo a cornerstone of the channel at this point haha
The kino man himself
When you reviewing this game
I played Killer7 for the first time on PC only a couple of years ago and I was genuinely surprised with how well it aged and how much I liked it. It's genuinely like nothing I'd ever experienced before and I think it's is a prime-time example of something that is greater than the sum of its parts. Total banger of a vid, and the transition graphics are the *chef's kiss* aesthetically pleasing cherry on top
Aw thank you so much !! It's defo one of those titles that will just live in gaming history just by how it refuses to be like anything else. B)
The title let me a bit scared but holy shit, one of the best videos about Killer7 in the whole site
Thank you so much ! It's defo one of my fave vids. ; v ;
your style inspires me, and so does killer7 recently. having finished the story, i can say that garcie is my main fave, with mask being close
Aw I'm glad to hear !
Despite the fact that I'm a fan of Suda51 and have beaten a good amount of his games, I haven't gotten around to Killer7. This video has done a great job of getting me amped to get around to it sooner rather than later, impeccable work as always!
Aw thank you so much Daniel ! Hope you have a good time when you do pick it up. :>
this is my favorite video on RUclips I’m ngl killer7 has been my favorite game FOREVER and such a well put together video on it is really a treat
THIS VIDEO!!!!! It has to be your best so far!!! I loved every one of your transitions!! Your style just keeps growing and doesn't seem to be slowing down!! Killer 7 is such an amazing game and you made me want to play through it !
Aw thank you so much ! ; A ; ♥
This game showed me why they call them “Cult” classics. When I played Killer 7 for the first time in my teens, it burrowed itself deeply into my skull. For example: The flourishes in between levels with the laser pointer and moon sequence thing still plays in my head sometimes when I’m anticipating a transition in my life. Like I remember clearly seeing it in my dream just before I woke up on my first day at my first job.. it was trippy man. It doesn’t even stop there lol. There’s just something so liminal and intangible about the game that is really absent in other games with more “substance”. Ya know.. whatever that means
Idk why im typing all this
Anyway, Incredible video!!
I’m glad im not alone in my appreciation for this game and all it’s eccentricities. I hope im still kind of alone in my manic subconscious obsession with it tho lmao
Just glad to see someone really gets it!
You've seen how in some drawings, you can recognize the artstyle as characteristic of an artist? That's the human personality coming through. And the same happens with games, even if I never noticed until now.
There's people putting part of their own identity in what they create and we can see and feel it
I was directed to this channel by Adam Millard. I went to your video library, and I was immediately drawn to this one. I loved killer7 when I was in high school / university. It was a game I tried to get other people to try, but most found it too obtuse. For years, I've wanted to replay this game, but thought I couldn't since I don't have a Gamecube or a Wii on hand. I had no idea there was a PC port, so I bought it on Steam a few minutes after the part in this video where you mentioned it, and it's downloading right now. Thanks for making me aware of its existence.
Also, solid video. It got you a subscriber today.
when i was a kid my dad worked in a church late at night and it was freaking huge, i would run around all alone and playing Killer7 reminded me of those big lonely spaces so much it was so freaking cool
hell yeah. style is substance all right. thanks for the vid
REJECT CONFORMITY! I adore the way you describe things. It is inspiring and makes me appreciate media/art so much more for what it is and can be and the feelings that come with it. ฅ’ω’ฅ
Hell yeah ! So glad you vibed with my shit ! :>
I still have my gamecube copy of this game from like a month or two after the game originally came out. I was always looking for stuff that spoke more to me rather than dropping money on what others were playing as well. video games, in my eye, have an insanely unique position to really just do whatever and it is a bit saddening with the constant push for realism instead of focusing more on a creative edge and alternate viewpoints of topics rarely touched on.
Great work Mara, you hit the feels, and the eyes with this one. Visually and emotionally gripping-can't wait to see more!
Aw thank you so much Couch ! ; w ;
to this day i still dont believe this game exists, nevermind that it was released almost 2 decades ago
Killer7 wasnt ahead of its time, Killer7 is atemporal, as any great art piece is
p good video ganger ranger friend
Aw thank you so much ! I defo feel you though, it was so ahead of its time that sometimes it feels pretty surreal to think back on it.
this vid... was SO GOOOOOOD!! so many subtle touches to the writing that make it such a well paced vid. like clear pacebreaker moments highlighting we are done with a section. little moments to breathe or just chuckle, all with stylish editing flair. so many touches that make this work so well as a youtube vid...
loved it, the passion was clear
Thank you so much Yoppi ! ; A ; ♥
I played Killer 7 waaaaay back when it was first released and it's an all time favourite of mine
Thank you for talking about it because it needs to be talked about more
You've described in this video why no matter how crazy the plot or devices or powers get, I will never turn my back on Kingdom Hearts. Yeah, it's goofy nonsense sometimes, but like... it reminds me every time that real life doesn't always make sense either but that I can choose to smile about it. That all I need to do is try to keep my feet underneath me and reach out to others who are scared as the tide of time sweeps us along.
Hell yeah, Kingdom Hearts' such a good series ! I don't get why folks get caught up about the lore not making sense or anything. I'd rather have the story be fun than everything making sense all the time. B)
I'm so glad I came upon your content. Beautiful essay, I felt identified with your last words.
I've been meaning to get back to killer7 for a while. On the handsome man level xD Think this video's given me an extra push. Great game, great video. Thank you :)
Awesome analysis on such a crazy cool game! I came across this channel and video looking for an analysis on Killer7 and you were able to put in so much more than just a typical overview on the game and it’s messages. Keep on with your style! Your video inspires me to be able to talk about the games I love like this and I like knowing there are people out there who are passionate about games and appreciate them as I tend to do. I can’t wait to explore more of suda51’s work and continue to branch out!
Thank you for making these videos!!
watching this video and the one you made about the "sliver case" as well as "Flower, Sun, and Rain" helped me to make the choice to buy both killer7 and sliver case and I am starting to play them. I used to write suda51's works off as bizarre and weird with nothing really to them. but as I have played more recent games and games that lack any sense of style and then starting to play killer7 I've realized how many games lack any style and how amazing it can make a game.
The way killer7 feels to play is so different from anything else I Have tried and i love the unorthodox controls and camera angles. Though I suck at the game, the characters and writing and the looks of everything has well kept me drawn in. I look forward to completing it and the sliver case as well as any other suda51 games i can get my hands on.
Thank you Mara!!
Also is your profile picture art from the "Nishioka Brothers"? Reminds me of the "The Day of Salvation" manga.
glad you enjoyed, also yep my pfp is from kami no kodomo by nishoka kyoudai
@@maraganger hell yeah!! I Was trying to remember kami no kodomo! Im terrible with names but the art style always stuck with me. Its what made me click on your channel. I Was shocked to see anyone else had seen it before.
Master, this is hot. Good essay. You succeeded to distill the esoteric brilliance of the game.
Whenever a new Mara video drops my brain scrambles to try and get me to make something as cool
Aw that's so sweet to hear Mervyn ! ; A ;
I love how you used the mighty SWEET BLUE FLAG to jump into your Killer7 analysis... In the name of Harman!!
Came from KBash's recommendation.
Holy hell, your work is really good, I really liked this!
Subbed.
Thank you so much !! ; w ;
The channel is getting better and better with every video. You are a real inspiration, keep it up.
Awww, thank you so much ! It means the world to hear ! ; A ;
Speedrunning and minmaxing is what I do to kill time, now, a game that's successful in terms of world buiding and atmosphere, that's something special.
Extremely well said ! :>
Loved this one! Killer7 is one of my favorite games. I loved hearing you talk about this
Thank you ! So glad you've enjoyed. :>
26:53 Dude, i'm so, SO glad that my algorithm finally figured out what type of content i'm after.
Keep on rocking Mara👌
Loved the video! (and your other videos as well, that Yume Nikki one was awesome!) I helped do QA work on the Steam version of the game. It was my first experience with Killer7 and it was truly special experience. I'm really happy with the way the port turned out and that a lot more people can experience the game now. It's definitely one of those games where you play it through once and you never really forget anything about it because it's so memorable. Games like Killer7 really helped solidify my love for video games. Again, awesome video. :)
Aw thank you and especially for your QA work on the game ! Defo fun to revisit it since the Gamecube version was so long ago, though the memories of my first experience never faded haha ! :>
Ok I don't usually do this but I might have to save this for after I complete all of Suda's gameography
Good stuff, you describe the feeling of playing killer7 well
Thank you ! :>
God damn this one was good. By far the best on yet Mara! Gonna leave a comment so hopefully the algorithm does its thing.
Aw thank you ! ; w ;
As someone who actually gave a chance to Killer7 back in 05/06 (I still have my original gamecube copy!), hearing someone describe those people as the "nichest, coolest of gamers" warms my heart like you have no idea. Fuck yeah the game was awesome, and still is! Sadly, I couldn't never convince anyone else to jump in, lol.
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR BEST VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aaah I hope it'll be the best haha ! Defo one of the best in my eyes. ; w ;
Quality only be going up with this channel. Really lovely video.
Thank you so much ! ; w ;
"the daily things, like this and that and what is what." You just threw that in there. With reckless abandon. This is why I'm subscribed.
And the KILLER CONTENT!
Aw thank you ! I'm so glad someone finally noticed the KH reference haha ; w ;
I’ve known about this game for a couple years now, but never got around to playing it. I finally did a few weeks ago and I just beat it today, and just wow. I’ve been unable to stop thinking about it, like genuinely every part of the game was so interesting, I don’t think I’ve played a game that has captured me more than killer 7 did
Awesome video ♥️ I'm glad that Killer7 finally got the recognition it deserves in recent years. Played it back in 2007 on the GameCube when my brother gave it to me since he didn't understood what it was about and didn't like it and I'm really thankful he did.
Glad you've enjoyed ! Your brother defo missed out on some of gaming's finest masterpiece, but hey, more for you haha
planning on playing the rest of the ktp series thanks to this and my friends, so far ive only beaten killer7 and ranko tsukigime (does this even count? theres some past vs future stuff but thats about it), and read kurayami dance. suda is kind of insane honestly but im really enjoying the ride, looking forward to the silver case and fsr- thank you for making this video to allow so many people to reaffirm their love for this series and to introduce them to it, me especially
Glad I finally got a straightforward definition for what is "kill the past" contained in a fucking baller vid dude. You seriously put into words what I love about Suda's work (ok im an NMH fan). Like Jesus, the russian roulette track is the kinda shit I'd DREAM of scoring something to, I fuck so hard with high stakes shit paired with dance music, like the playful dissonance is so fucking good. But also Masafumi Takada is kinda incapable of missing and I fucked with that same tension he brought to Danganronpa. But like overall your take on style and substance being one and the same like, you ever know something in your artistic heart but you can't piece it all together or properly word it til someone fucking says it?? Yeah I had that moment.
Gotta get back to my playthrough of Killer7 now. I started it and ended up dropping it between life being busy and not all the way clicking with it (though definitely enjoyed my time) but oh man it's a priority now.
Aw I'm so glad to hear you vibed with this vid ! ; w ;
"The best game you never played"
I remember the room of one of the targets, the room with the girls on the walls. It never left me.
26:54
this is my wallpaper now, thank you
Aw hell yeah ! B)
This video is seriously awesome, really reflects everything Suda is all about better than a lot of videos i’ve seen on the site. amazing presentation and expertly written. love love love this. kill the past!
Thank you so much ! :>
Great video! Im glad to have discovered your channel!
Thank you so much !
@@maraganger Im trans and I love rpg maker games as well as the fantastic aesthetic you create so it is impossible I wouldnt like it...
@@gonfdez9796 Aw I'm so glad to hear ! :>
Killer7 is the sort of game I balked at as a kid, but know I'd enjoy if I tried it now. One day.
I just started the video and I'm already loving the vibe
Such a Heavenly review this was
Thank you ! :>
i've recently started to play more "weird" games and it's the most fun i've had in a long time.
Aw that's sweet to hear ! Hope you keep having fun on your strange game pilgrimage. :>
this video goes so hard actually
Aw thank you ! :>
Great video well worth the wait
Thank you so much ! ; w ;
Great video! While I myself actually really enjoyed Killer7's gameplay, I feel that of all of Suda's games it's the one that can be most easily done outside of gaming as a medium. What I mean is that I honestly feel that Killer7 could've just been a manga or something like Kurayami Dance without anything being lost in the transition. To be honest I guess that's probably what I would've preferred since to do this day I'm still sad about all of Killer7's cut content and the fact that we missed out on getting a Kevin (my favorite of the Smiths) chapter. I just I just have to hope Suda one day makes good on his Killer7 Director's Cut promise.
Oh yeah that's defo something I'm looking forward to. I remember him saying he was planning on it but who knows right, especially after he said the same thing about a PS2 remaster of Flower, Sun and Rain. ; w ;
There was a Killer7 comic but it was short-lived because the publisher went belly-up.
@@heardofrvb Oh yeah that's right !
@@heardofrvb Yeah, but that was more just supplementary material from what I've heard.
As one who is making a unique fanfic, suda51, yoko taro and kodaka, nomura and kojima are my main reasons i love unique games especially the kill the past series, danganronpa, drakengard and nier.
I've wanted to play this game since its release and just never got around to it, even the steam version I just never picked up despite realing liking the No More Heroes games. Also I really resonate with the section about what you value in gaming (story and aethetics) over particular mechanics or sheer competition. As I've gotten older I've realized I value that sort of "experience" that a story driven game provides that multiplayer big numbers go up games can't generally provide (and really aren't trying to tbf)
I'm glad you vibed with that section but it's defo an issue near and dear to my heart. After all, number go up feels good but only for so long. B)
Bruh, once you started talking about how you started to focus more on the "technical" side of things and that started to make gaming less fun to you, I feel you. I used to play The Division and TD2 like that. Min-maxing, worrying about builds, how to run missions as fast as possible, yada yada. But that kind of killed the experience of it for me and subsequently, most other games. A year after putting the game down I went back and just casually played through it again and began to notice the detailed environments, climactic set piece moments, small easter eggs sprinkled throughout, the ridiculous amount of world interaction, stellar ambient music, etc. I started engaging with the core mechanics more and realized how much I was missing out on by just focusing on "perfection." And now I literally can't go back. I play all games just to have a good time now and that's why I typically avoid anything PvP. It warps your mind into the "git gud, scrub" mindset and takes away so much.
killer7 the type of game that makes you understand Buddhism to a different level
It's kinda funny, but the first time I played killer 7, I was like... 15.
I eventually grew into the title. At first just taking the stylish, very unique way the game plays and looks. Then, as I grew, slowly understaning the actual game. It grew on me, pun intended, and influenced A LOT of my preferences in style and design.
10 years later, I still like it
I bought killer 7 day 1, still own it to this day.
Idk how i remembered the cassette info for the dual lock system. I definitely remember having to write down all the key info from the cassettes for the terminal later lmao
i never thought i would hear that im cool for liking k7 but here we are
GOOD VIDEO 💥💥💥
Thank you ! ; w ;
we HAVE to be weird. for our own survival
KILLER7 LETS GOOOOOO
I'm all here for "Funky Bitch"
Killer made me feel at home as an orphan homeless.
Amazing video as usual, I really wanna play Killer7 now.
Funnily enough, my first interaction with Suda51's work was with Ranko Tsukigime's Longest Day, did you play that one ? I loved it to bits honestly.
Aw hell yeah, hope you'll enjoy if you go through it eventually ! Also yeah, I do know Short Peace, it was defo a weird experience at first but it really warmed up to me after a couple of play sessions. Even though I'm kinda bad at Bit Trip Runner-esque games. ; w ;
Great stuff c:
Thank you ! :>
loved the bit about style v substance. there's definitely work out there whose presentational finesse exceeds its thematic depth, but there's an awful lot of art where style IS substance; their idiosyncrasies being more than just a cool way to present the story but an intrinsic part of how it's told and that fits suda's whole oeuvre to a T.
even the genuinely "style over substance" stuff that's flashy because it's cool has its place, imo. you can admire the craftsmanship and ogle the cool aesthetics even if the things it has to say won't exactly change your life.
great vid! thinking about stuff owns.
Aw hell yeah, thank you ! ; w ;
I defo agree with you, there's too much of a concern in big gaming spheres as to makes a game really ""worth it"" as a whole package and idk. Just vibing with the aesthetic can be more than enough. B)
33:34. You are not alone.
I played this a long time ago on GameCube and I enjoyed it a lot.
4:33 Simple and Clean reference
Another slam dunk with this one, Mara. I think I'll have to watch it again to fully take it in, finally getting around to crossing Killer7 off my backlog would help a lot as well.
Something that came to mind when you were discussing the philosophy and realities of STYLE over SUBSTANCE is the consumer concept of BANG for your BUCK (Boomer rant incoming). I remember pretty much throughout the 2000's and early 2010's, there was a massive push for games designed with bang for your buck concepts in mind. I remember FFXII being lauded as having a 200 hour minimum playtime and the phrase "replayability" was almost compulsory in just about every game review in a magazine in that time, not to mention the cultural phenomenon that GTA was becoming. With Killer7 releasing in June of 2005, a few months prior to the release of the Xbox 360 as well as being at the tail end of the PS2 generation, Killer7 could not have released at a worse time in terms of consumer reception; gaming was getting expensive and only the most seasoned, curious and adventurous of gamers would have dared to take a chance on Killer7, assuming they had the money to do in the first place!
I think that regardless of the success that cult-classic games like these have, either critical, commercial or even technical, there will *always* be an audience and a market for them. I still hold on to the hope that I'll see a GOD HAND sequel someday or even a revival of light-gun games like time crisis and point blank. Anyway, brilliant video Mara, I could not have a greater inspiration for clearing out my backlog😁
Oh yeah I totally get what you mean. There was such a huge push for games to last longer and longer in those years which eventually bled out into nowadays where games are practically forced to be 60+ hours otherwise they're deemed as lesser, whatever that means. But thank you so much though, I'm so glad you vibed with the vid ! B)
I am happy I found your channel, im so lucky (: ur shit rocks
Aw thank you so much ! :>
@@maraganger you make really good points about wierd gamer elitism tho, why do games have to "fit in"? People feeling like that is shitty already why we gotta do that to our art
@@MegaloGamer Oh yeah absolutely, it's unnecessary tribalism in either communities lmao
Bruh i wanna be this good at editing holy hell
2:20 real shit
Chatting with the hommies ❤❤
cool vid
Hell yeah
0:31 what game is that?
"Milk Outside a Bag of Milk, Outside a Bag of Milk" by Nikita Kryukov ! I've also made a vid about it and its prequel. :>
@@maraganger oh, I've actually played the prequel
I like the video but idk what else to type
hella fair haha
Can I ask what that article is that you scroll up, that highlights the links in Suda51's games?
it's Dreamboum's Kill the Past play order
@@maragangerthankyou so much!! I'll check that out. What an amazing motto to live by as well 😁👍🏻
haven't beaten it yet but i love it so far. lost in the mansion in mission 4 xD
Aaaah that's fair ! Hope you have fun with the rest of the game. :>
In the name of....wait...who !?!??!
Could it be that Harman and Herman are... related ? 👀
One of my biggest issues with the NMH series is the first one DOES have a lot of substance; a lot of commentary on Travis as an avatar for video game players. Then in all three sequels, it tosses that commentary aside for "Haha Travis is Anime Deadpool isnt he cool?"
Its sucks.
Yeaaah, it defo could've been handled better. I recall Suda stating that he didn't want to continue the series and wanted to leave it at that after 1 but y'know, capitalism do be a thing.
@@maraganger I cant really blame him I guess, even if it is a shame lol
I don’t think it tossed aside substance at all, just had a different focus on its themes. 2 seems that way at first but I think it’s about the effects capitalism has on art, TSA is a look through Suda’s mind on his creations and game development as well as what it means to be away from what defines you for so long, and 3 is about hero culture and what defines a hero, as well as the idea of paradise in death, friendship, memories, and is perhaps the most kill the past entry in the quadrilogy. Even 3 integrated it’s themes into the gameplay with how the side missions are all to help the people of Santa Destroy, rather than like 1 where it’s mostly to get him to the assassination missions. Even the VN Segments are him being a good person, and it feels like the series has him grow from a terrible, selfish asshole to a person with a family and friends who can call himself a hero now.
OOO there it goes, another ball, knocked right out of the park!
I've only heard so much about Killer 7, with me knowing a little more about Suda's other games, but without a doubt, almost every time I've heard people discuss Suda's work they boil him down to that crazy and nonsensical game dev, who also has horny elements in his projects. Projects that tend to have abrasive controls and or ways you can interact with them. I find that boiling Suda, and anybody's work down like that, and even comparing a game dev's work to a movie director 's work is reductive in a way that's destructive. Not always of course, but in some situations it can be. I get it, labels are easy to slap onto things so people can get a quick parse on something, however I feel that it is cruel to games in a sense. I don't necessarily think people mean it this way, but by constantly comparing games to movies, as if you're comparing apples to apples, you create this situation where games as well as the people who work on them are in the shadow of other media,. Pushing this idea that they aren't as valuable, or that their craft shouldn't be respected as much. By being so reductive too it leads to the creation of semi or completely false identity issues, which is something I think that the souls series has to an extent. People constantly say the souls games are difficult, which yes they can be, but by constantly just labeling the soul series as that, and if that is all you hear about that series, then you'll end up getting this false impression that souls games are the hardest games in existence. That pushes people who may actually love what the souls games, but in this context, Suda's games have to offer. And that stinks. I really appreciate how you talked about Killer 7, to be honest, you've won me over and now I have to eventually find time to play through it lmao
Speaking of which, Style over substance! I totally agree with you, I feel like this post is a lot more retrospective than I thought it was going to be but oh well. I feel like people have such an old relationship with how they view art from any media. It feels like one extreme or the other, that something is perfect or worth your time, or something is flawed and not worth your time. And I just wish more people would open up to the fact that things you love can be flawed. Something can have awful or rough pacing, but have moments that generally touch your heart and bring you joy. Even if that feeling may be fleeting, or small in comparison to the issues you may have with the whole, the fact that the experience touched you, or moved you, made you excited, I think that should be cherished more.
I also find it really cool that games like Killer 7, Golden Eye 64, and etc are games that have been popular, of course by varying degrees, but have had a boost or a resurgence in the past few decades due to PC ports! Really nice stuff.
So glad the vid resonated with you. Defo agree with what you brought forth in this comment as well. :>
Still waiting on your No More Heroes video
Idk if you wanna wait that long, NMH ain't really my thing besides like TSA. :0
@@maraganger then make a TSA video pls u.u
@@owlitup2225 maybe someday, depending on the schedule ! ; w ;
@@maraganger thank u. If you do decide to do it just know I'll be here to watch and share
o hel yes the swag power
I just purchased killer 7 game
Curtis Blackburn is absolutely the worst person