1400 Horsepower AMS Performance Alpha 12 Nissan GT-R - CAR and DRIVER
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The AMS Performance Alpha 12 Nissan GT-R is the 1400-horsepower answer to the docile 545-horsepower standard Nissan GT-R. We take the tuned Godzilla to Willow Springs Raceway on the latest episode of Car and Driver: Tested.
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I just cant express how much i love nissan r35 gtrs
Simply amazing! The raw power it has...wow! I didn't realize just how much traction control helps us. That guy was all over the place. All in all, this is my dream car for sure. Even the stock 545 HP GT-R, I will take without hesitation.
Has a SICK sound...I love the part at the beginning when they zoom in on the exhaust pipes and rev the engine.
Engine hand built by master builder takumi, then tweaked by Bob.
XD HAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHA!
funny comment
Hahaha indeed.
I really wish C&D would pit the AMS Alpha 16 GT-R (1840hp) vs. the UGR Stage 2 Race Gallardo (1750hp).
Yeah that would be some fun fortunately it wouldn't be much fun for the guy in the lamborghini because lamborghini is no matter what you do to them they are still a grossly overpriced grossly overrated piece of s*** car they always have been they always will be..
Spend $190k all up and comes with stock brakes. Hope it has a loud horn.
lol, that's good! and the high beams work to flash everyone out of the way!
It depends, you can add ceramic for some dough too...
I see the haters showed up!
Its a car scene what do you know ? Go play barbie dolls, save up ur money
Then just add brakes and your done
What's the issue.
1400 horsepower? Why in the hell wouldn't you upgrade the brakes and suspension.
Already has huge brembos...
archinuk417 Huge brembos don't mean anything with 1400 horsepower. With that much power on tap I wouldn't be running anything but carbon ceramics.
sneakster1978 Who needs good brakes when you have 1400 hp... ;)
archinuk417 Eventually the girl will have to get out so you can clean up the passenger seat.
That was my reaction, too. Whatever the true power actually is on this thing (1,100, 1,200 or 1,400), the rest of the car should be engineered to be up to the task. If I were spending these funds getting to this power, I would have brakes nearing IndyCar levels.
i love how its a v6
i appreciate that you didn't add any wing, body kits, etc. its a sexy beast
The guy doing the voice over sound's like he is giving a eulogy at a funeral, not talking about a massively powerful super car. How can you make a GTR sound boring?
the amount of money you will need to buy and service the bugatti is the same as buying a GTR tuning it , and breaking it and then fixing it 20 times
Tell me about it
To be honest spending all that money on a car then it breaking down and ruining your weekend would suck, no matter if it was 'cheaper' to fix.
And cheap is probably the wrong word!, 'Shep' transmissions (who nearly all the high BHP GT-R's use) charge $30K just to upgrade a GT-R gearbox to handle this kind of power, and they still fail from time to time.
Bugatti engineers tried to test the Veyrons gearbox to destruction, but after 200 full power launches in a row but had to give up as it was going dark (the gearbox and everything else was perfect).
Like they say, you get what you pay for. For $100K for the car + $150K for the mods i would rather put my money into a 458 Italia, it would not cost as much to keep on the road and there would be little chance of issues no matter how you drove it at the track.
agree but i think you overdid it with the 'weekend' its not a supra its a supercar. plus everything comes down to how much you actually use the car. The 458 Italia will never have an acceleration or top speed comparable to this particular car but it will have more reliability. The AMS or Switzer GTRs who challenge hypercars are apprx. $160-180k. and the Switzer btw is much more reliable than any AMS GTR. Plus i agree on the Ferrari just for that sound, check out the Novitec F1 exhaust
SilentRage5050
I agree. Living with a car so fragile would put me off too much. I read about the Ukrainian tennis champion Alexandr Dolgopolov's AMS GT-R and despite throwing $150K and nearly $100K for a close to new car, he had hardly managed more than a few runs without major component failure. I could not belive these cars run a stock front diff which could go any run without warning. Some people actually appear believe that they are as reliable as a stock GTR!
I totally agree one of Switzer 750/800BHP converstions is about as far as i would go with modifying if it was planning to use it daily.
But its still a Nissan........I couldn't even tell you if I saw a GTR on the road, becuz they aren't much to look at.
Would love to see The Stig drive this monster..
3 years later alpha 20 GTR 2000+ hp
+NUCK CHORRIS
Show me a video of a Bobas golf run 7.48 or better with full interior than we can talk if not than stfu.
Get up to date idiot. Nobody over here is interested in running 1k only 1/4 and 1/2. AMS GTR hit 7.48 in 1/4 mile. UGR hit 234mph in 1/2 mile can any of your dream car hit that? No than STFU. An american Ford GT hit 278mph in 1k. So 254mph aint shit over here. UGR lambo almost hit that in 1/2 mile hahaha
+Larry Larson a hygergine peroxide dragster can do 0-366mph 603kph in 3.5sec idoit
+Larry Larson ams alpha omega is their flagship and it does have 2000+
+Larry Larson Thanks for the 7.48 update, just saw the video and thought 7.9x was still the record. Damn. It's really impressive.
Now for the real questions though;
(a) Is it still streetable and would they consider just completing Drag Week with a 7.xx average to prove a point?
(b) Will this kinda 7-average be trickled down to Alpha 22 or Alpha 20 cars so they can get the same power and setup as the Omega has and will that be available at under $100k?
I think the answer to (a) is a yes, but I dunno if AMS wanna do it, cause I feel confident that Freiburger would get them in, in the unlimited class, maybe even unlimited iron cause its all metal bodywork last I heard. Wrt to (b) I sadly think it will still be $150-200k and thus for "regular semi-rich" people that buy a built 7-8 second 1/4 mile car for Dragweek and/or street bragging rights and/or fun at a strip or pull races, an American car with a simple 427/555/572/632 TT (twin turbo) 2x 76->88 mm setup will still be the proven combo, cause its that much cheaper to buy, fixed and finished.
A 572 TT is $37k at certain famous builders and can be hammered together for like half if you have good hands or friends with same. Add 20k for a donor car and cage and all the rest and maybe 10k for fab and install work if you do nada yourself and you got a comparable car to this one for $40-80k.
That said I wish I had enough cash for an Alpha "22" (ie just what I assume the Alpha Omega has in it right now with the new billet block and their latest tricks and parts installed).
It's really annoying that there has to be a religious war between the two different approaches, cause both have super cool appeals if done right.
If You guys @ Alpha can couple this kind of performance with a suspension setup, that can run or possibly beat the 6:57 nurburgring lap done by the Porsche 918 and still keep the 4wd characteristics of the R35, you guys will be gods in Japan.
Oh and maintain everyday drivability and costs as well.
Dear Santa
No shit.
Who thumbs up this repetitive drivel?
AMS and UGR are the best in the world
When they made the NISMO version of the GT-R, the first feedback from the test drivers were that aero and suspension should be improved before adding any power.
As someone I know used to say, "companies didn't spend millions on research and development attaining the perfect balance so you can fuck it up with schoolboy mods"
I'm just wrapping my head around this guy having called me a sicko >: I
Thanks man! don't be jealous either... follow your dreams... anything is achievable in life. I have a friend who purchased a Ferrari and thought he could handle it on the street; he gunned it at the light and smashed into the medium (big mistake). Then he got it repaired and took it to a track and a pro helped him with all the tweaks. My motto is "with big power, comes big responsibility". I've seen a lot of people who can't handle their own cars power. It's sad.
I played this video 50 times over just to keep hearing those exhaust flutters ..epic stuff yo
Stock breaks? That's asking for death. You even turned traction control off. You got serious balls dude.
The gtr has huge oversized brakes and anybody that owns one will tell you the brakes work great.
needs a little more work on your fit and finish of your added parts, those welds look crappy on the turbo chargers, but!, love this beast none the less.
give it to top gear uk and let them test it!!
And have Jeremy Clarkson's lard butt soil and darken the driver seat in this beautiful beast? never.... Just kidding. I like Jeremy.. I just like throw in a jab every now and then.
Fifth gear man !
JB GARRY Are you fucking kidding me?
Top gear America Tanner is the best driver. USA USA USA hahaha
Josh Jones Speak English dude.. lol
10:05 what a lovely sound. !!
Wow, the GT-R's driving looks so fun and exciting.
Cool engineering.
I need this car vs Koenigsegg Agera R!!!!! Anybody!
It would shit on that lilly ass overpriced koenigsegg agera, no competition.
$200k GTR and you don't have a 0-60 time LOL.
We got the GTR back, now where is a new Supra.
R.I.P.
Bmw?
More than double the HP? Those kits are nuts!
Yes!! this is at our track..
9:18 thoe
Dear Santa:
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Paul Walker should drive it in FF 6
ROCKETGUN MISSILE He`s definitely going to drive it in FF7...
I totally respect Paul Walker but he will earn even more respect if he killed by driving an alpha omega instead of riding a Porsche v10
Nobody cares what he was driving they will respect him just as much regardless...god gtr fanboys are ridiculous ...people would probably laugh if he crashed in a gtr one if the easiest cars to drive unlike a Carrera gt one if the most soul ful beautiful cars full of emotion that is also insane to drive
You are the most ridiculous ///M fans.
Srry. But everyone will agree gtr fanboys are the cancer of the car enthusiast group most if em anyway
Sending my GTR to AMS next week, they said it was about 2 weeks to do everything to an Alpha 12. Can't Wait to get it back. !!!
I HAVE THIS EXACT BUILD ON MINE.. IT TOOK ME WEEKS TO LEARN HOW TO DRIVE IT.....SCARY DOESNT COVER IT..
If its slower around the track, what's the point?
You clearly have never driven a fun car. When it comes down to throwing a hundred plus grand into a car, you don't give a shit about some time slip, you care about the raw adrenaline rush the car gives you. $20 says you'd literally shit your pants in the passenger seat of this car, then never want a fast car again.
Yeah, cause a car that can't corner and blows its clutch every time you press it is a great idea.
Nick Wood get a scooter then.. corner like crazy
I have a sportbike.
sportbikes can't beat shit around a track.
So?! Horsepower does ruin a car... so i'm sticking to my nissan micra :]
o_O it has never let me down in since 2001. just got into shops for regular services.. and its my daily driver. for having fun i got my Z :p .. so stop hating. the little micra was and is my first love :p
C'mon AMS......Koenigsegg vs. GTR!!! Lets settle this!!!
when i get rich this going be my first car....and im driving everwhere....GT-R for LIFE!!!!!!
1400 hp with Air Cond. Can't beat that. Definitely a street car man. Love the black.
Badass gtr
Typical American Tuner Mistake. Bump the power up and leave the brakes alone.
So 100k doesnt get you upgraded brakes and suspension? What a rip off.
Claude V.
///AMG brakes are not just the rotors.....
Oh, I forgot to throw that in. It's also cheaper, due in part to the parts availability. So it's design is light, compact, plentiful, durable, with a broad powerband that is flexible enough to be in everything from pickup trucks to renown sports cars, can get 30+ mpg highway in the right application, cheap, the most popular engine swap and probably has the largest aftermarket support of any engine type.
That's probably why the Hennessey Venom and SSC Ultimate Aero use them too. Now why's it bad?
I really like this guys attitude towards it, and how he didn't want to add any flashy shit to it.
Mate... 1100 hp is enough for presentation. Ok?
1400 hp. Are u paranoid or want to against the detail.
Try to sleep well.
Test Driver should really consider wearing a helmet and setting a good example. He's handling an insane amount of power with no helmet....
hahahaa 1200hp and stock brakes ^^ thats how experts tune (slowly clapping)
well to be fair it isnt really meant for the road or circuit, it's meant for the drag strip, where you dont really need the best brakes
Jad Makarem he said he knows a guy who uses it as a daily driver?
vivalaphill oh oops, probably wasnt listening. idk why you would use something like this as a daily driver though. as much as i love things with high horsepower, i think around 600 is more than adequate, if we're considering comfort, noise, ease of driving etc.
Jad Makarem 1000+ is way over the top, the lag is probably enormous
vivalaphill
I think he meant the guy in FL had the package done to his own GTR, not that particular one being tested in the video. So who knows if the FL guy's car has stock brakes?
wow my company made this behing my back!
an abrupt onslaught of turbo boost...lol this car sounded amazing the whole time, whenever it sped up it's like a harmony.
To everybody who says that this is a bad car because it is not very good on track: i bet you have never even sat in a car that has more than 200 hp. I guess you dont know what fun is. Look that up in a dictionary.
What does that button do? I'm not sure... what about this one? Oh... that just starts World War 3...
Soo much American non-sense, along with Underground Racing. cars with 99999999 hp that can't be put on the track, wasted power......
that car was build for a standing mile race not a fucking circuit, cant you tell the difference?
and BTW it makes 6 seconds on a quarter mile so talk about wasted horsepower... whats the time on a veyron on the quarter mile again? 9.9 secs
lmCIoudz is true maybe not all but 99% are dumb
Two words: Drag Racing
Lol apples to oranges. Drag racing, rolling races, and circuit racing
no comment besides great job guys must off been a hell off a day out there i love what you guys have done, if i was too buy a gtr i would 100% consider having it sent through you guys too sort it out for me before receiving it awesome job !!!
Thanks, I've worked hard to get to where I am in life. I didn't grow up in a rich family either... hard work pays off! I'm going to bring my car to a professional track and have a pro teach me, because anything can happen with this kind of power that I'm not used to... so I want to be well prepared.
annnnddd thats why the bugatti is clearly better than any tuned gtr. its designed to go fast, not to break on a track.
an almost 2 million car vs 300,000 gtr which, if tuned properly will last ages longer than that silly egg. It is a nissan after all and like the nsx is a daily driver supercar.
Towfiq Khan the Veyron is an ultimate car, you can make the GTR faster and more reliable, but it wont be as refined, as nice and as prestigious as a Veyron...
Towfiq Khan The NSX shouldn't be considered a supercar
name a F1 car that doesnt get rebuilt after every race
Paradox NZ this is not an F1 car? I dont see where you are going with this.
Mercedes AMG ripoff!!
hahah, good jokes
You can give a GTR 1400 Horsepower, but you can't ignore the ugly looking body styling and overall boring demeanor.
3rd Gen Guy your picture is of a camaro. A mass produced car driven by the kind of guy who brags about how loud his farts are. The one in your pic has the expression of a depressed boy who just found out the best thing he'll ever drive is a camaro.
Omg the sound of that monster hitting rev limiter at 10:05 was just AMAZING!!!!!
Basem Wasef has got to be one of the greatest Car Enthusiast writer's of all time.
...still not a manual
Because u could afford it if it was manual ? Fuck outta hers
MarkXmp lol did i say i could? all i did was express my disappointment that it only comes auto, dumbass
Lol tf? It'll still smoke any manual car out there
Martin Perez and? like that matters if you're not fully in control of the car
I don't think A manual transmision can't handle that amount of power
Super respect to any owner of Gtr .
I Just Feel In Love to This Monster!!
Actualy to straight things up they can't change engine over race season (Qualifitcation race etc.), however they can do betwen GP races.
I was skeptical at the beginning of this video and i'm no fan of the GTR but DAMN this is one sexy Beast! I LOVE IT!
2013 BMW M3 MPG 14 city/ 20 highway
2013 Camaro SS 16 city/ 24 highway
Better mpg with more power and weight going against it
The VR38DETT is roughly 29.5" tall, 27" wide, 27" long without turbos and accessories. 610 lbs dressed without intercoolers, piping
A Gen I 350 SBC is 22" tall, 22" wide, 29.5" long. All iron 575 lbs, alum head 510 lbs, all alum 425 lbs dressed
The LS7 is 26" tall, 24.5" wide, 28.5" long. 455 lbs Dressed
^^^FACTS^^^
Next time, base your argument on them
the shape of those bigger welds is a different type of weld usually on a manifold those welds look similar to some key areas on roll bars.........so yea im wondering why they are so rough too...
Yes there is, because the veyron uses TWO big audi engines put together (two V8) to create a W16. If the Audi V8 engine lasts lots of years, then its the same for the Veyron, which is basically powered by two v8 engines
very true and why ppl compare a car that cost millions to one that cost a quarter of that. these engines are huge for a v6 and theyre well capable when built for the power to handle it for many miles you dont need 16 cylinders to make this power reliable a bbc or hemi etc can do the same without forced induction.
listen when he said bolting on racing stock parts was literal yes but what you don't realize is that how the oem test they're products aswell and as far as tuning isn't just slapping on race parts and hoping for the best well no you need to retune the computer and fuel system to work properly with the upgrades and as far as the rear diff going yes it could use upgrade there to help handle that power better but in a straight line for about 1.8 mil cheaper you could at least keep up with a veyron
Yes, you are. The HP differs due to how you want to look at it, crankshaft vs the wheels. Then you also get different HP due to the type of fuel you are using. If you listen the video you can infer all of that.
AMS Knows what they are doing this is a test car for a reason the actual AMS shop car has the license plate "AMS GTR" and is stupid reliable makes me a proud a Chicagoan
This is the ultimate sportscar! Im not big on GTR's (im more into lightweight 4 cylinder cars) but there is nothing else in the $200,000 range that could even trail behind it! It costs less than a Murcielago and performs better than a $2,000,000 Veyron. Amazing!
HRE performance wheels, carbon trunk, carbon roof and carbon hood
love the turbo and bov sounds, wild!
For what the Veyron Cost is, it would be easy to upgrade the parts that are stock/weak on this GTR. A new differential, upgraded aero parts, new suspension, brakes, etc and it would still be a fraction of the cost and could be put together a bit at a time. I would still rather have a modified GTR rather than a stock super car. Like they said it is meant to be instant incredibly power. Super cars are meant to balanced not extreme.
Yea and also like said before whp and crank hp differ a lot fuel makes a huge difference too..
Yeah I can see your reasoning, the reason the horsepower drain goes up with the power is that you are turning bigger heavier (stronger) drivetrain components, which clearly haven't been done properly in this car, but at the same time I don't doubt that those numbers are possible with an engine this size, remembering that the formula 1 cars were generating 1200+ hp with 1.5 litre engines in the 80's. Also german cars aka your Porsche tend to have very efficient drivetrains :)
that depends on the fuel used. some have higher octane than your regular petrol cuz they add alcohol. the octane depends on the mixture. the same car can be tuned to 1700bhp.
I love this car. When you have so much power that the car people call "boring because it is so controlled" stock is now ripping itself all over the track you know it's a beast hah.
I would still buy one. I could care less about having all that power. 545hp is fine with me. I just like the overall look of the car...its so sexy!
It makes all the right noises!
When you modify something that much and you don't replace parts that were designed to handle a lower HP , of course things will break...All you have to do is replace those parts with racing stock parts, still comes in far cheaper than the Veyron, and will be much more reliable as well.
Fucking hate the people that disliked this video. I'd kill for this piece of everloving joy
1 - This is a purely straight line car
2 - Nissan did a rather good job on it, modifying the suspension would not have been cost effecient for faster straight line times ( as far as packages go for multiple customers )
3 - modifying the suspension for a single hardcore racer would be the only way anybody would pay for it, and suspension work is high dollar on an AWD car that isnt going to drop significant numbers for what it cost.
Those twin turbos will keep me up tonight, amazing sound...
I was shaking my head the whole time with the biggest smile :)
Not a big problem. Do you know the price of a new set of Veyron tires, or a standard service? You could do a total GT-R drivetrain rebuild for the cost of servicing a veyron.
Allright, then we look at the combined standings in the last FIA GT Race..
Nissan GT-R - Final position 4
Beating:
14 Ferrari 458
6 R8 LMS:
6 997 GT3 R
8 McLaren Mp4-12C
"Engines break down much more often than shift forks", in this kind of cars its the gearbox, shift fork, differential which usually breaks.
This cars engine had 17000 miles on it.
Not only talking about Skyline/GTR racing history, which actually was quite good Le Mans etc, close to beating the McLaren F1 etc.
In the 70's and 80's the early Nissan/Datsuns dominated european sports cars in US racing.
Im guessing with the power weight ratio of this GTR and the amount of downforce it generates, you would have to use F1 race car technology to keep this beast on the road while navigating bends. Sacrifice some forward acceleration for lateral acceleration so it can actually take a bend without having to slow down so much.
Love the fact that no one is mentioning the fact that it broke down and had to be towed.
Who would want to pay so much money for something that suffers catastrophic failure after a couple of easy laps (and rememeber that this is a factory owned and maintained car).
New Alpha 12 GT-R record in Russia: 0-186 mph in 11.3 seconds on a runway. 1 mile in 22.5 seconds at 237 mph.
Stock disks? Nooooo. I bet it handles better than a lot of supercars! Beast
Nissans and Datsuns hold a manufacturers record of over 80 SCCA racing titles. That they have not only competed at Le Mans, but they have won their class. They won Daytona not just 4 times, but 4 years in a row? That Nissan sports cars, sedans, and Prototype racers have over 200 IMSA Victories?
Or that they have won the worlds toughest rally, the Safari Rally, least 7 times outright, with even more podium finishes. And their cars and trucks have over 20 off road titles under their steel belts.
Yes!!! This is at our track
When GM experimented with the DOHC LT5 in the ZR1 from 1990-1995, why didn't they continue DOHC V8s? The more compact ICB was lighter, more compact, and thus able to move the motor down and back; keeping a lower hood line and lower CoG.
Face it. There's a reason the LS motor is the most popular interbrand swap. It can fit into a 240sx, Miata, 240z, or RX7 thanks to compact size. It's less complex, more flexible in applications, proven durability, and very plentiful.
I think we're done here.
Yeah I agree when ever you increase power you have to upgrade the brakes
I would love to see what this car could do it you put the best brakes and suspension money can buy into it.
zRouth yeah, it is called a 911 9ff......