@@JD-jn14 In the Book version of harry potter and the goblet of fire there's a line that says "did you put your name in the goblet of fire" followed by the words Dumbledore asked calmly. However in the movie Dumbledore yells this line.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh In the VN Shirou landed a bunch of hits on Kirei though? He got like a 6 hit combo going on at one point. Though now that I think about it that might've been the only point in which he got any hits in at all.
Please don't remind me of how hard they shafted this fight. It's the culmination and the finale of the entire VN, and they cleaved the duration of fight in half.
@@r.k845 I mean it makes sense from a marketing stand point, most of the fate series fans are anime only and only a small percentage of us have played the VN. Maybe instead of shafting the budget for Rider vs Saber, which was one of the best fights from the VN IMO and a send off to Saber Alter, they could have just more spent a little bit more time fine tuning this fight. The animation for it was fine, just that the fight choreography wasn't what you and i had hoped for.
I think there are some other "stationary" fights in Fate/Zero (Saber vs Lancer) and Demon Slayer (Tanjiro Vs Inosuke) with engaging choreography. The Zero fights even had some inner monologue and mind games, which would be super appropriate for this scene. This one just needed more creativity and a longer run time IMO.
You guys realize that Nasu and Urobuchi were a big part of every Fate series made by ufotable right? The VN exists for a reason. Don't complain about things being completely accurate to books the size of the Lord of the Rings in a 90 minute movie. Same applies to these stupid Harry Potter Dumbledore says calmly comments as well.
@@TheNobleFive it wouldnt work in a movie. It would have worked if this was a 24 episode series like UBW. Wish there is an alternate reality where that is the case
@@CalebPorter1105 lol but Lord of the Rings still manage to be highly accurate and the only thing that comes to a huge flaw in that Trilogy are two things the elves coming to man’s aid when the battle was meant to represent mankind obtaining their first victory against the orcs with their own power, and the *extended scene for Gandalf vs Witchking that scene was suppose to have Gandalf standing strong against the Witchking the victor of the hypothetical battle unknown as the Lichking moves against Reinforcements so they don’t completely decimate the orcs; of course we’re talking extended edition. Plus HF is more in line with the Hobbit trilogy with how many things it gets wrong there than it does to Lord of the Rings.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh They even deleted important lines such as "this makes a good handicape it's not a fight against anyone else but with you at stake" And of course they deleted shirou beating the shit out of kirei at the end with many punches
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh That was abvious i guess althought they didn't put this monologue, they were smiling at each other's face at the end and understanding each other What really was important and was deleted is shirou's last line "I'll mercilessly destroy your wish for hurting me so much"
It is beyond me why they didn't make 8 or 9 short-mid length films for Heaven's Feel. Especially when they did it before for Kara no Kyoukai. You would think they would have no problem now that they have more staff, budget and they're just more well-known in general.
Imo, the biggest issue with the movies is the soundtrack. Now, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good tracks in the trilogy and even some amazing ones (lookin at ya EMIYA), but where's "In the name of God"? "All the Evils of the world"? "Light and Darkness"? "Mighty Wind"? "Into the Night"? "Sonic Barrage"? "Burst up"? Heck, even the inclusion of "Die Lorelei" would've made (SPOILERS!!!) Illya's final sacrifice even sadder. Now, I'm not claiming that all of these awesome soundtracks should've been in the movie. But, seriously? An orchestral chorus instead of the epicness and hype that is "Light and Darkness" for the final fight? Come on man.
Yeah a lot of memorable VN osts get shafted for Kajiura's repetitive music. I'll never understand why people are THAT into her music. Yes there are gems but they are far and few in between. Literally play Mighty Wind in the background during the Rider Vs Salter = 10x more epic.
Ubw and deen stay night had better osts lol Honestly though? I wouldn’t mind not remaking all these osts if the songs replaced if they were actually good.
@@BlazingRaptor Deen? Yes, Kenji Kawai made a lot of great songs, both originals and remixes. UBW? Hell no. There's like three songs that aren't so generic that I forget them and two of those are just remixes of EMIYA. Say what you want about Kajiura, but at least you actually remember her songs instead of just forgetting about them.
@@refinant6298 Actually, I still remember very clearly tunes from UBW: Emiya of course but also Theme of Archer, Ocean of Memories, Sorrow... Just to name a few. Despite the more action feel of UBW though, the tracks that stand out more to me are the more relaxing ones to be honest.
The point of not getting hit in the face/head is that swords would grow to "repair" the damage and stab his brain, eyes, etc. Kirei was also punching with stone crushing force and it was only the fact he was punching sword parts that kept Shirou standing and still able to move. And even if the swords didn't kill Shirou, his skull getting crushed would.
I personally wouldn't say that the adaptations are shit, but that they are lacking in the sense that they remove important characterisation and sometimes scenes. Whatever the reason, they cut important things.... But, in an adaptation it's kind of a given. You CAN'T accurately present everything from the source material when it's a VN like FSN - the internal monologue would get quite boring really quickly. Instead, they add other details, and focus on their real strength; the animation. Read the VN for the story, but watch the anime for the fight scenes. ...At least, that's my take on it!
@@kathrine4826 Okay its not shit but its still a bad adaptation. Like this scene why couldn't they make it at least accurate to the VN on how it was going from Shirou trying to not get hit in the head or Kirei using Martial Arts. Its like the entire Shirou vs Gilgamesh fight again where suddenly Shirou is able to jump so high in the air. They ruin such great scenes in the VN and No its not just sometimes its been happening again and again. I'm fine with it being not 1:1 to the VN but at least make the climax of the story as great in the anime but in the end climax of the Final Fight was lacking.
@@vincentvonmod4235 I agree that this scene could have had more thought put into it. The other fight scenes during this film weren't 100% accurate to the source material either, but they added just enough to make up for it (of course, that depends on the viewer, but for me, it definitely was MORE than enough), while this one felt lacking. Why that is is probably because of the lack of exposition; even to a VN reader, who knows what is going on, is going to be thrown off by that. An adaptation should adapt the source material, while at the same time explain just enough for it to feel like its own universe, not an adaptation. So a good adaptation, in my eyes, shouldn't feel like an adaptation; which is precisely what this one does, since it doesn't explain certain key elements. I think that's were it's lacking. As for the other times it has happened, I think other details and explanations more than makes up for it. The Gilgamesh versus Shirou fight detail that you mentioned is honestly very much a nitpick; and I'd argue that it comes down to the "rule of cool" in that particular instance. As VN readers, we can nitpick all we want, but in the end of the day an adaptation doesn't need to be accurate to the source material to be good. It can be grating for sure when it happens, but an adaptation is an adaptation. All this being said, I agree that it's not a good adaptation simply because of the explanations that were cut from the film. But I would personally still give it a 10/10 for the emotional impact it had on me personally.
I'm hoping this movie will be like the unlimited blade works movie from DEEN so that we can get the full anime someday and nothing will be cut go !!! Ufotable
I highly doubt that’s going to happen. First of all, the HF movies are nowhere near the level of insane compression that the UBW movie was. In the end the HF films are still perfectly serviceable adaptations; even if they tried to condense too much, they communicate the core themes and ideas of the route effectively, which the UBW movie completely failed to do. But second, turning HF into a television anime would bring with it enormous risks. Specifically censorship - HF is a violent route with dark subject matter that is integral to the experience. Japanese broadcast standards would definitely require it to be pared down. This is very likely one of the major reasons Ufotable went the feature film route. Also, I hate to break it to you, but no matter what an adaptation is going to cut things. It just isn’t feasible to include every single minute detail, nor is it desirable. Adaptations should make changes, even if that means making cuts. Granted I don’t agree with every cut Ufotable made here and I definitely think they should have prioritized some things over others (the Die Lorelei scene should have been retained, and Kirei vs Shirou definitely needed more time), but a completely faithful 1-to-1 adaptation would not be enjoyable. Like, would you really be glad if they kept in every single stupid drawn out breakfast scene?
Like, its funny to joke about and all But this is a tiny change that ultimately doesn't matter. The viewer doesn't know how the swords work or the risks involved, they were never really explained verbally in the movie. And that's fine. We can assume that things are slightly changed, and in the end its a meaningless difference that doesn't change the point of the scene. People who are actually upset about this are being silly.
That doesn’t change the fact The fight was horrible. Even not comparing it to the VN version, it was a short, lack lustre final fight that felt soulless.
@@Jame5p420 I really just don't understand how some people have come to this conclusion. It's a raw, bloody brawl between two people that are already dead. It was never supposed to be super dynamic or flashy, it was just there to see who would live longer as shirou realizes that he actually likes kirei. I thought they got that point across just fine.
@@ihave2cows yes it gets the point across, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good fight. It’s far too short, doesn’t have any of the impact it should have and falls flat. Kirei isn’t portrayed as the monster he should be, he isn’t using his martial arts and when he dies he falls instead of dying standing, which is stupid as that explicitly shows his resolve and the way he he lives his life. Also cutting “I like kotomine kirei”? Why, that line is basically the culmination of Shirou and kirei’s dynamic yet it’s cut? Then you’ve got the fact the fight just isn’t as well done as the VN. The VN was a desperate struggle to survive topped off by shirous resolve to see Sakura happy, when he starts to fight back. The film was a flat brawl which just sped run kirei’s beliefs to get them across. It had none of the emotion the original had. It felt rushed. The point isn’t that the fight in the film it’s self is bad, it’s an okay fight. The point is this is the culmination of a 70 hour visual novel and yet it’s the worst adapted fight in the series. Salter vs rider was cool but shouldn’t have been prioritised over this. This is the more important fight to the story and the one that needed time to breathe.
@@ihave2cows they could’ve done this scene much more justice. The music could have been more energetic and the fighting could’ve been more dramatic. Look at the end of Naruto vs Sasuke. It has the same concept but executed 10x better
I have it as a 8/10 fight. It's not bad in isolation but it's undoubtedly a step down. It skips that Kirei can use martial arts. It skips that Shirou is an inferior fighter. It barely expressed Kirei's POV. It ends on a cutaway instead of desperate set piece where you're not sure if Kirei will crush Shirou's head in time. It really is the definition of a downgrade
@@deuce5546 I mean he's referring to the fact that shirou survives the headshot specifically and not the fight itself. Though nobody actually considers this the main reason for the fight being bad it's just this is easy to latch on to.
@@deuce5546It’s because we’ve made our criticisms clear in the comments before many times now and are getting frustrated, but here: This video only focuses on the line about Kirei punching Shirou which seems like it’s complaining about nothing at first, but it shows how Ufotable doesn’t care enough about the story as they could’ve animated Kirei using his martial arts like a badass instead of just “generic face punching montage 2.0”, especially for a fight that was supposed to be the climax of HF. The fight in the VN was half an hour long and quite dialogue heavy in its prelude which wouldn’t have worked in the movie format, but they cut out so many moments that it’s a completely different (and inferior) fight. The VN specifically draws attention to how Shirou and Kirei are two sides of the same coin as they were both empty and could only find fulfilment through one thing: the happiness and suffering of others respectively. You get the sense that yes, this is the final boss of the VN and Shirou’s entire story culminates into this. While Shirou acknowledges that he actually likes Kirei because of their similarity, he also moves past his own starting point as he has a different purpose to live for now: the happiness of Sakura which is what gives him his second wind and ultimately allows him to survive. Kirei is also much more of a badass in the VN with how he moves too fast for Shirou to react properly such that he can only defend his head to not die immediately. This video also isn’t just about the fight as we’re kinda taking out our frustrations about the adaptation with this as well, such as the really dumb decision of Ufotable cutting out Shirou and Illya’s famous “Die Lorelei” scene which causes movie Shirou and Illya to have a much shallower bond that I honestly cared very little about Illya’s sacrifice at the end of the movie rather than the emotional send off it was in the VN.
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This is the equivalent of “dumbledore asked calmly scene”
"BLOODY FUGGIN' HELL?!", asked Dumbledore calmly.
Context?
@@JD-jn14 In the Book version of harry potter and the goblet of fire there's a line that says "did you put your name in the goblet of fire" followed by the words Dumbledore asked calmly. However in the movie Dumbledore yells this line.
@@jacksonadams9737 Thanks
"It will be over if I'm hit there"
"Shirou said calmly"
"Dumbledore asked calmly"
If Ufo were gonna disregard accuracy in relation to the VN then they could've put Sparks Liner High without the Bad End.
Honestly they should have just adapted normal end.
@Henick Lee normal end was based
It’s just another “the archer class really is made up of archers” moment
How?
Not at all. The point is that the movie fight isn't the same as the VN. Shirou never landed a proper hit on Kirei and Kirei never hit his face/head.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh And I actually wanted to know what technodry meant!
@@irinashidou9725 it is what it is
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh In the VN Shirou landed a bunch of hits on Kirei though? He got like a 6 hit combo going on at one point. Though now that I think about it that might've been the only point in which he got any hits in at all.
Please don't remind me of how hard they shafted this fight. It's the culmination and the finale of the entire VN, and they cleaved the duration of fight in half.
What do you want them to do? It's a movie not a series
@@fkez0510 how about fuck rider Vs saber alter and give the budget to this?
Sounds bout right.
@@r.k845 but rider vs salter had those big shiny mindless explosions,thats what people like to see
@@cryptic7800 Oh yes, bend over for anime onlys but VN fans? Fuck those guys.
@@r.k845 I mean it makes sense from a marketing stand point, most of the fate series fans are anime only and only a small percentage of us have played the VN. Maybe instead of shafting the budget for Rider vs Saber, which was one of the best fights from the VN IMO and a send off to Saber Alter, they could have just more spent a little bit more time fine tuning this fight. The animation for it was fine, just that the fight choreography wasn't what you and i had hoped for.
Feels like ufotable got exposed in this fight when they couldnt put shiny beams, explosions, camera changes and all those effects
I think there are some other "stationary" fights in Fate/Zero (Saber vs Lancer) and Demon Slayer (Tanjiro Vs Inosuke) with engaging choreography. The Zero fights even had some inner monologue and mind games, which would be super appropriate for this scene.
This one just needed more creativity and a longer run time IMO.
You guys realize that Nasu and Urobuchi were a big part of every Fate series made by ufotable right? The VN exists for a reason. Don't complain about things being completely accurate to books the size of the Lord of the Rings in a 90 minute movie. Same applies to these stupid Harry Potter Dumbledore says calmly comments as well.
@@TheNobleFive it wouldnt work in a movie. It would have worked if this was a 24 episode series like UBW. Wish there is an alternate reality where that is the case
@@TheNobleFive The issue is that there are no swords here, this fight was just weird to watch in some parts
@@CalebPorter1105 lol but Lord of the Rings still manage to be highly accurate and the only thing that comes to a huge flaw in that Trilogy are two things the elves coming to man’s aid when the battle was meant to represent mankind obtaining their first victory against the orcs with their own power, and the *extended scene for Gandalf vs Witchking that scene was suppose to have Gandalf standing strong against the Witchking the victor of the hypothetical battle unknown as the Lichking moves against Reinforcements so they don’t completely decimate the orcs; of course we’re talking extended edition. Plus HF is more in line with the Hobbit trilogy with how many things it gets wrong there than it does to Lord of the Rings.
People don't die if you hit the head
Just because you're right doesn't mean you're correct.
Kirei's punches lacked heart
Kirei:Yare Yare Daze Shounen
The power of Mapo Tofu is within him
Avenger class hellraiser Emiya is born
We all know that this is what's ruined the fight they didn't manage it correctly nor faithfully
They did Kirei dirty by not having him nosell Shirou attacks or let him die standing up.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh
They even deleted important lines such as "this makes a good handicape it's not a fight against anyone else but with you at stake"
And of course they deleted shirou beating the shit out of kirei at the end with many punches
@@emiyashirou2069 "I like Kotomine Kirei"
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh
That was abvious i guess althought they didn't put this monologue, they were smiling at each other's face at the end and understanding each other
What really was important and was deleted is shirou's last line "I'll mercilessly destroy your wish for hurting me so much"
To bad that they didn't gave HF the KnK treatment, literally no one would be complaining
It is beyond me why they didn't make 8 or 9 short-mid length films for Heaven's Feel. Especially when they did it before for Kara no Kyoukai. You would think they would have no problem now that they have more staff, budget and they're just more well-known in general.
@@deuce5546 Yes, it would have made more sense to adapt them into a longer movie series instead of just a trilogy
Hey I still think the knk movies skip way too much of the novel and need some serious rework. So im complaining.
@@deuce5546 Absolutely not. Each KnK film had a self contained plot and it still misses details.
@@JayceCH. Yet still better than trying to condense 60 hours of content into 3 movies
Well he did grow some blades on his face later on but that’s it
kino
What the is that one thousand barrages of punch😂
Unlimited Punch Works!
So no Fate remake huh
Yeah sadly
What makes you say that?
You still want a Fate remake after they butchered ubw and hf?
@@jarnahmaxux7187 did they really though
@@drpeppy635 yes
Imo, the biggest issue with the movies is the soundtrack. Now, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good tracks in the trilogy and even some amazing ones (lookin at ya EMIYA), but where's "In the name of God"? "All the Evils of the world"? "Light and Darkness"? "Mighty Wind"? "Into the Night"? "Sonic Barrage"? "Burst up"? Heck, even the inclusion of "Die Lorelei" would've made (SPOILERS!!!) Illya's final sacrifice even sadder. Now, I'm not claiming that all of these awesome soundtracks should've been in the movie. But, seriously? An orchestral chorus instead of the epicness and hype that is "Light and Darkness" for the final fight? Come on man.
Yeah a lot of memorable VN osts get shafted for Kajiura's repetitive music. I'll never understand why people are THAT into her music. Yes there are gems but they are far and few in between.
Literally play Mighty Wind in the background during the Rider Vs Salter = 10x more epic.
Ubw and deen stay night had better osts lol
Honestly though? I wouldn’t mind not remaking all these osts if the songs replaced if they were actually good.
@@BlazingRaptor Deen? Yes, Kenji Kawai made a lot of great songs, both originals and remixes.
UBW? Hell no. There's like three songs that aren't so generic that I forget them and two of those are just remixes of EMIYA.
Say what you want about Kajiura, but at least you actually remember her songs instead of just forgetting about them.
@@refinant6298 Nah, the tv of ubw version just screwed up the mixing badly. Also ost 2 >>>>> ost 1
@@refinant6298 Actually, I still remember very clearly tunes from UBW: Emiya of course but also Theme of Archer, Ocean of Memories, Sorrow... Just to name a few. Despite the more action feel of UBW though, the tracks that stand out more to me are the more relaxing ones to be honest.
Pretty sure in the Ufotable Adaptation it's because you could see blades poking out of Shirou's face and that's also why Kirei cut himsepf
The point of not getting hit in the face/head is that swords would grow to "repair" the damage and stab his brain, eyes, etc.
Kirei was also punching with stone crushing force and it was only the fact he was punching sword parts that kept Shirou standing and still able to move. And even if the swords didn't kill Shirou, his skull getting crushed would.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh that must've been painful for Shirou
U got me there, shit!!
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure reference.😂🤣
Unpopular opinion: I liked the music and the absolute bone crushing beat down. I also just like watching Shirou get punched in the face by Kirei.
Great animation but Shit Adaptation is basically the entirety of Ufotable's Fate Stay Night Anime's
Be careful you'll upset the hive mind (I'm half joking)
@@mochii813 The entirety of all Fate Stay Night Anime Adaptation are shit from DEEN and Ufotable.
I personally wouldn't say that the adaptations are shit, but that they are lacking in the sense that they remove important characterisation and sometimes scenes. Whatever the reason, they cut important things.... But, in an adaptation it's kind of a given. You CAN'T accurately present everything from the source material when it's a VN like FSN - the internal monologue would get quite boring really quickly. Instead, they add other details, and focus on their real strength; the animation.
Read the VN for the story, but watch the anime for the fight scenes.
...At least, that's my take on it!
@@kathrine4826 Okay its not shit but its still a bad adaptation. Like this scene why couldn't they make it at least accurate to the VN on how it was going from Shirou trying to not get hit in the head or Kirei using Martial Arts. Its like the entire Shirou vs Gilgamesh fight again where suddenly Shirou is able to jump so high in the air. They ruin such great scenes in the VN and No its not just sometimes its been happening again and again. I'm fine with it being not 1:1 to the VN but at least make the climax of the story as great in the anime but in the end climax of the Final Fight was lacking.
@@vincentvonmod4235 I agree that this scene could have had more thought put into it. The other fight scenes during this film weren't 100% accurate to the source material either, but they added just enough to make up for it (of course, that depends on the viewer, but for me, it definitely was MORE than enough), while this one felt lacking. Why that is is probably because of the lack of exposition; even to a VN reader, who knows what is going on, is going to be thrown off by that. An adaptation should adapt the source material, while at the same time explain just enough for it to feel like its own universe, not an adaptation. So a good adaptation, in my eyes, shouldn't feel like an adaptation; which is precisely what this one does, since it doesn't explain certain key elements. I think that's were it's lacking.
As for the other times it has happened, I think other details and explanations more than makes up for it. The Gilgamesh versus Shirou fight detail that you mentioned is honestly very much a nitpick; and I'd argue that it comes down to the "rule of cool" in that particular instance. As VN readers, we can nitpick all we want, but in the end of the day an adaptation doesn't need to be accurate to the source material to be good. It can be grating for sure when it happens, but an adaptation is an adaptation.
All this being said, I agree that it's not a good adaptation simply because of the explanations that were cut from the film. But I would personally still give it a 10/10 for the emotional impact it had on me personally.
Man
Disappointing...
I'm hoping this movie will be like the unlimited blade works movie from DEEN so that we can get the full anime someday and nothing will be cut go !!! Ufotable
I highly doubt that’s going to happen. First of all, the HF movies are nowhere near the level of insane compression that the UBW movie was. In the end the HF films are still perfectly serviceable adaptations; even if they tried to condense too much, they communicate the core themes and ideas of the route effectively, which the UBW movie completely failed to do.
But second, turning HF into a television anime would bring with it enormous risks. Specifically censorship - HF is a violent route with dark subject matter that is integral to the experience. Japanese broadcast standards would definitely require it to be pared down. This is very likely one of the major reasons Ufotable went the feature film route.
Also, I hate to break it to you, but no matter what an adaptation is going to cut things. It just isn’t feasible to include every single minute detail, nor is it desirable. Adaptations should make changes, even if that means making cuts. Granted I don’t agree with every cut Ufotable made here and I definitely think they should have prioritized some things over others (the Die Lorelei scene should have been retained, and Kirei vs Shirou definitely needed more time), but a completely faithful 1-to-1 adaptation would not be enjoyable. Like, would you really be glad if they kept in every single stupid drawn out breakfast scene?
Like, its funny to joke about and all
But this is a tiny change that ultimately doesn't matter. The viewer doesn't know how the swords work or the risks involved, they were never really explained verbally in the movie. And that's fine. We can assume that things are slightly changed, and in the end its a meaningless difference that doesn't change the point of the scene. People who are actually upset about this are being silly.
That doesn’t change the fact
The fight was horrible. Even not comparing it to the VN version, it was a short, lack lustre final fight that felt soulless.
@@Jame5p420 I really just don't understand how some people have come to this conclusion. It's a raw, bloody brawl between two people that are already dead. It was never supposed to be super dynamic or flashy, it was just there to see who would live longer as shirou realizes that he actually likes kirei. I thought they got that point across just fine.
@@ihave2cows yes it gets the point across, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good fight. It’s far too short, doesn’t have any of the impact it should have and falls flat. Kirei isn’t portrayed as the monster he should be, he isn’t using his martial arts and when he dies he falls instead of dying standing, which is stupid as that explicitly shows his resolve and the way he he lives his life. Also cutting “I like kotomine kirei”? Why, that line is basically the culmination of Shirou and kirei’s dynamic yet it’s cut?
Then you’ve got the fact the fight just isn’t as well done as the VN. The VN was a desperate struggle to survive topped off by shirous resolve to see Sakura happy, when he starts to fight back.
The film was a flat brawl which just sped run kirei’s beliefs to get them across. It had none of the emotion the original had. It felt rushed.
The point isn’t that the fight in the film it’s self is bad, it’s an okay fight. The point is this is the culmination of a 70 hour visual novel and yet it’s the worst adapted fight in the series. Salter vs rider was cool but shouldn’t have been prioritised over this. This is the more important fight to the story and the one that needed time to breathe.
@@ihave2cows they could’ve done this scene much more justice. The music could have been more energetic and the fighting could’ve been more dramatic. Look at the end of Naruto vs Sasuke. It has the same concept but executed 10x better
I have it as a 8/10 fight. It's not bad in isolation but it's undoubtedly a step down. It skips that Kirei can use martial arts. It skips that Shirou is an inferior fighter. It barely expressed Kirei's POV. It ends on a cutaway instead of desperate set piece where you're not sure if Kirei will crush Shirou's head in time. It really is the definition of a downgrade
the video is funny but people who unironically think that is an actual problem with the movie confuse me 🤷
Ikr
Oh it's funny but the fight scene still sucks as does the movie. This is just a minor reason.
I do. This is the climax of the entire Fate/Stay Night story and it was poorly handled. People who defend this legitimately confuse me.
@@deuce5546 I mean he's referring to the fact that shirou survives the headshot specifically and not the fight itself. Though nobody actually considers this the main reason for the fight being bad it's just this is easy to latch on to.
0:18 me who don't like shirou : ah that's satisfying
You'd like bad ending 1 lol.
*Anime Only Viewer that hasn’t reached the status of man of culture by reading the VN Alert*
These VN players look like Twitter users, complaining about Everything they can
How dare people have actual standards!
"Instead of defending this scene with arguments, I'll just mindlessly insult people whom I don't know" There I translated to y'all what this guy said
@@deuce5546It’s because we’ve made our criticisms clear in the comments before many times now and are getting frustrated, but here:
This video only focuses on the line about Kirei punching Shirou which seems like it’s complaining about nothing at first, but it shows how Ufotable doesn’t care enough about the story as they could’ve animated Kirei using his martial arts like a badass instead of just “generic face punching montage 2.0”, especially for a fight that was supposed to be the climax of HF. The fight in the VN was half an hour long and quite dialogue heavy in its prelude which wouldn’t have worked in the movie format, but they cut out so many moments that it’s a completely different (and inferior) fight.
The VN specifically draws attention to how Shirou and Kirei are two sides of the same coin as they were both empty and could only find fulfilment through one thing: the happiness and suffering of others respectively. You get the sense that yes, this is the final boss of the VN and Shirou’s entire story culminates into this. While Shirou acknowledges that he actually likes Kirei because of their similarity, he also moves past his own starting point as he has a different purpose to live for now: the happiness of Sakura which is what gives him his second wind and ultimately allows him to survive. Kirei is also much more of a badass in the VN with how he moves too fast for Shirou to react properly such that he can only defend his head to not die immediately.
This video also isn’t just about the fight as we’re kinda taking out our frustrations about the adaptation with this as well, such as the really dumb decision of Ufotable cutting out Shirou and Illya’s famous “Die Lorelei” scene which causes movie Shirou and Illya to have a much shallower bond that I honestly cared very little about Illya’s sacrifice at the end of the movie rather than the emotional send off it was in the VN.
@@joushua4428 You know the guy you're referring to doesn't like this scene?
@@r.k845 Yeah I saw after looking further down the comments which is ironic I suppose
*Visible Disappointment*