If FINALS MVPs Were Given to the BEST Player… (1990s)

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  • The NBA gives its Finals MVPs to players with a favorable narrative, and who are almost always on the winning team... but what if the award was given to the player who was simply the best player that series? This is the 1990s breakdown of just that.
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Комментарии • 948

  • @jonnyarnett
    @jonnyarnett  3 года назад +201

    Of all Finals MVPs ever, which is the most impressive?

  • @gogeta_lp
    @gogeta_lp 3 года назад +893

    The more I watch videos about the 90's or Jordan specifically, the more I'm just dumbfounded by how good he was.

    • @jijmotorp3079
      @jijmotorp3079 3 года назад +103

      80's impress me more imo. His ability to absolutely destroy everything with barely any help was chamberlain like in the late 80s. When he got Pippen, he had less challenge and couldn't carry as much. Its the type of player that is funnier to watch solo carrying imo, like allen iverson. His athletism was godly in the late 80s, he was flying above everyone.

    • @TinFamsThoughts
      @TinFamsThoughts 3 года назад +10

      Or maybe it should open your eyes to how weak the 90s were

    • @brandonpurdy7658
      @brandonpurdy7658 3 года назад +132

      @@TinFamsThoughts Or maybe you are wrong.

    • @matthewbartke4424
      @matthewbartke4424 3 года назад +5

      Wait until Wilt Chamberlain shows up.

    • @alprincecruz4436
      @alprincecruz4436 3 года назад +76

      @@TinFamsThoughts umm patrick ewing karl malone john stockton Gary payton shaq penny charles barkley hakeem clyde the glide and many many more players you only think the 90s was weak because only 3 teams other than the bulls won the championship in that era

  • @axelgiosido4997
    @axelgiosido4997 3 года назад +459

    Imagine your worst series averaging 27? Damn

    • @saygoodnighttothebadguy
      @saygoodnighttothebadguy 3 года назад +32

      Lol absolute legend

    • @alexfarias5156
      @alexfarias5156 3 года назад +11

      Was gifted a lot of free throws.

    • @VincentVincent_89
      @VincentVincent_89 3 года назад +18

      @@alexfarias5156 I’ll have to agree especially on that last game.

    • @Killer23TrZ
      @Killer23TrZ 3 года назад +20

      27 ppg on 41% shooting, and 31% from a shortened 3 point line 🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕

    • @VincentVincent_89
      @VincentVincent_89 3 года назад +14

      @@Killer23TrZ Gary was hogging him

  • @awesomereviews1561
    @awesomereviews1561 3 года назад +279

    Kemp was really something in the 90’s. His dunks were savage!

    • @hihihihihello
      @hihihihihello 3 года назад +5

      He was tmac before tmac and with more muscle, dude was a monster

    • @gni389
      @gni389 3 года назад +23

      @@hihihihihello I think a better comparison is Dominique Wilkins, but i agree.

    • @TheChosenMoose01
      @TheChosenMoose01 3 года назад +18

      @@gni389 Kemp was his own beast. Can't really compare someone to him. If anything, compare Blake to him

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 3 года назад +14

      @@TheChosenMoose01 yup. It’s STAT and Blake. Both fruits from kemp’s tree. And all three suffered from injuries or off court stuff that ruined their primes.

    • @Rodzilla97
      @Rodzilla97 3 года назад +18

      put Kemp in the hall of fame already. long overdue

  • @handlebucket6285
    @handlebucket6285 3 года назад +448

    It's actually kind of a myth that Pippen guarded Magic most of the series. MJ actually guarded him most of the series after game 2. Pippen even said at the end of game 5 in the locker room interview, I'm paraphrasing, "Phil went back to Mike because he put more pressure on him." Just a little important note that people forget.

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 года назад +183

      Interesting. My bad, and thanks for that. Didn't remember it. Admittedly, I need to go back and rewatch that series in its entirety, cuz that one has been a bit for me. If anything, your point strengthens Jordan's case in 91, but its not like he really needed it. haha.

    • @bmontymk603
      @bmontymk603 3 года назад +3

      Please stfu

    • @aob6671
      @aob6671 3 года назад +45

      And its exactly the same with Iggy in the 2015 FINAL. he was not the only one guarding Lebron. That was a team defense because lebron was the only scorer of the CAVS. Green defend on Lebron with klay. Basically most of Draymond block in the 2015 Final was against Lebron.
      But. Iggy was the Final MVP.
      Curry was the the leader if not the second leader of the warriors in almost all the statistics. But people said he choke.

    • @aob6671
      @aob6671 3 года назад +5

      Just like in that final magic % was incredible low when PIPEN defend in him.

    • @aob6671
      @aob6671 3 года назад +13

      And its exactly the same in the 1996 final.
      If you look the stats. curry stats and % in the 2015 final is better than Jordan in the 1996 final but people said he choke. 🤦‍♂️
      He was the leading scorer,steal,assist of the warriors. And one of the best rebounder.

  • @marqueljohnson4211
    @marqueljohnson4211 3 года назад +386

    Am I the only One noticed That Every year MJ showed that he can do what the opposing super star can do too.... 11 apg against magic 7 3s against drexler and 8rpg vs barkley

    • @saygoodnighttothebadguy
      @saygoodnighttothebadguy 3 года назад +48

      It was the competitor in him. He wanted to outshine his opponents as much as he could.

    • @alecsanderhamilton9224
      @alecsanderhamilton9224 3 года назад +12

      That's true I missed that. I knew the Magic thing. I knew the Drexler thing. You missed me on the Barkley thing but he did score more than ever on that Suns team so in that way i always knew he outshined Barkley. I guess only 96 he didn't go ham. I'm not sure his steals in that series vs Payton but Payton, McMillan, Jordan and Pippen were beasts

    • @emekaamerican863
      @emekaamerican863 3 года назад +8

      Lol Jordan took it personal.

    • @wiltchamberlaingodofnba2072
      @wiltchamberlaingodofnba2072 3 года назад +2

      DREXLER PLAYED ALONE !! DONT EVER COMPARE WAGON JORDAN TO REAL GREAT PLAYER CLYDE WHO CARRY FRANCHISE TO 2 FINALS.
      JORDAN ALONE NEVER SAW 2ND ROUND IN HIS LIFE AND LOST VS SOLID SIDNEY MONCRIEF AND SOLID BUCKS

    • @alecsanderhamilton9224
      @alecsanderhamilton9224 3 года назад +18

      @@wiltchamberlaingodofnba2072 sorry Drexler was not Jordan good ever. He was only comparable. And he wasn't alone. HOF teammates are largely established thru winning alot. It generates the fame part in hall of fame

  • @TheFastBreakNBA2
    @TheFastBreakNBA2 3 года назад +375

    So Many MJ's, it's crazy how much the Bulls dominated

    • @MrJamb0ree
      @MrJamb0ree 3 года назад +21

      *How much Jordan dominated

    • @TheFastBreakNBA2
      @TheFastBreakNBA2 3 года назад +15

      @@MrJamb0ree True, without Jordan, they would be like a first round exit.

    • @aob6671
      @aob6671 3 года назад +28

      @@TheFastBreakNBA2 and without SCOTTY PIPEN, STEVE KEER,RODMAN and the other BULLS... jordan would be like a first round exit.

    • @TheFastBreakNBA2
      @TheFastBreakNBA2 3 года назад +28

      @@aob6671 True, they needed each other, and well, MJ Did make the Second Round without them, but lost to the Pistons tho

    • @kadenmaddalena7166
      @kadenmaddalena7166 3 года назад +19

      Why did you put Steve Kerr in there super replaceable
      And Jordan won without and beat Rodman to win his championship your only valid player was Scottie

  • @lukacalov1988
    @lukacalov1988 3 года назад +78

    "Jordan put up a well rounded effort of 32/7/6"
    Lmfao well rounded, more like he killed it

  • @ponypower8
    @ponypower8 3 года назад +80

    Yeah, Shawn Kemp was something else that year. And yes it just dawned on me that his stats in the 6-game finals are impressive considering that Dennis Rodman was the one defending him. Not only that, the Bulls starting 5 had 4 of the BEST DEFENDERS in the NBA during that season--Rodman, Pippen, Jordan and Harper. Just imagine how hard it was to score buckets versus a team like that. And Kemp averaged 23+ points and 10 rebs on 51% FG shooting in 6-games. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20, that was impressive.

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 3 года назад +2

      Facts, Rodman and that lockdown lineup were of course the real MVPs but it's overlooked how Kemp and GP went off despite being that much overmatched.

    • @ripeoldman
      @ripeoldman Год назад +1

      😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

    • @ripeoldman
      @ripeoldman Год назад +1

      😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

  • @PhilBurr100
    @PhilBurr100 3 года назад +81

    Jonny, i just want to let you know the basketball public appreciates you 🏀

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 года назад +20

      Thanks friend! I appreciate you all more than you know :)

    • @eljefe6161
      @eljefe6161 3 года назад +2

      Facts

  • @amirampeled
    @amirampeled 3 года назад +39

    I feel like after 6 straight FMVP Keeps you felt pressure to give the award to Kemp. Seen the series live and was a Sonics fan at the time. You can't compare efficiency the way you did in that era between guards and PFs. Kemp shot everything around the rim.

    • @hristijandimitrovski8664
      @hristijandimitrovski8664 2 года назад +1

      Anyway, he was still better than Jordan

    • @ezekwu
      @ezekwu 2 года назад

      should've given it to rodman...

    • @hristijandimitrovski8664
      @hristijandimitrovski8664 2 года назад +4

      @@ezekwu wrong, it definitely isn't true. Rodman was great, Rodman was valuable for that Chicago team, but he was never the Finals MVP, Jordan was always the best player from Chicago and nobody wasn't even close.

    • @K-Dot94
      @K-Dot94 2 года назад

      It doesn’t really matter though, if one player is more valuable then you dont get penalised for position

    • @savageburger67
      @savageburger67 Год назад +3

      I agree Jordan outscored kemp and kemp scored most of his points in the post

  • @marcobattiston1702
    @marcobattiston1702 3 года назад +58

    If you didn't see '99 finals (or any other Spurs finals appearence) nonyou cannot understand how much valuable Tim Duncan was on defense. Maybe Rodman could be a tougher 1 vs. 1 defender but TD was a better defender overall. This seems to understimated because the Spurs were always a team focused organization, not a star player team. And despite this Tim averaged 27 ppg.

    • @jasonmoukala8909
      @jasonmoukala8909 3 года назад +10

      The only defender better than Duncan is prolly hakeem

    • @jijmotorp3079
      @jijmotorp3079 3 года назад +2

      dennis rodman was definelty harder to play against mentaly. He could get in the head of everyone.

    • @alprincecruz4436
      @alprincecruz4436 3 года назад +1

      I don't watch the spurs finals gamed because they could never win back to back (and because they basically almost every time not make it to the nba finals once they win it last year or make it to the nba finals last year if they didn't win it) and also in my opinion alright it's my opinion so don't scream at me please the spurs wouldn't have won the '99 nba finals if mj didn't retire and the bulls stayed together

    • @marcobattiston1702
      @marcobattiston1702 3 года назад +1

      I think Duncan was slightly better on defense than Hakeem while Hakeem was slightly better on offense.

    • @alecsanderhamilton9224
      @alecsanderhamilton9224 3 года назад

      @@jijmotorp3079 David Robinson was a better defender than Duncan. So was Ewing. Ben Wallace was close. Mutombo was better. Zo was better. And what?

  • @kerke4639
    @kerke4639 2 года назад +4

    1996 is Jordan. He was averaging 31, 5, and 5 with 2 steals a game in the first 3 games where they won all of them in 46/50/81 splits. Then he got the best perimeter defender at the guard position ever guard him the rest of the series. And the numbers for the complete series are still amazing considering Gary Payton guarded him for half the series and the team they went against was probably the best team Jordan ever saw in the Finals as the Sonics won 63 games that year. Shawn Kemp was good but he was so limited to the paint. And he also averaged 4 turnovers a game and led the Finals in turnovers. And for someone in Kemp's position to be forced to that many turnovers was very uncharacteristic at the time.

  • @gogo2074
    @gogo2074 2 года назад +26

    The 96 Finals MVP is conflicting. MJ had pretty bad efficiency for his standards and Kemp out performed him on the defensive end but MJ still outscored him. Kemp also had more turnovers and less assists. It's definitely very close.

    • @justinhuynh9982
      @justinhuynh9982 11 месяцев назад

      its not just defensive side, its also the rebounding and efficiency area because mjs efficiency compared to shawns was definitely a big margin. it was a 15% fg differential while kemp was better at the free throw. the 3pt wasnt that much of a differential compared to 15% fg especially when mj only hit 1 three a game. the rebounding differential takes care of the playmaking differential already plus the defensive gap. playmaking = mj but close, scoring = mj but close. efficiency easily shawn kemp, rebounding easily kemp, defense close but shawn kemp. efficiency differential> scoring, rebounding differential> assists and shawn kemps defense to get the edge over jordan

  • @willhairstonful
    @willhairstonful 3 года назад +14

    I'm a Jordan fan from way back and it makes me laugh when I read the comments. "Gary Payton was a problem for Jordan!" this is because in the 96 finals his PPG went down from 30 to 27. This is a testament to how great he was for any other player this would've been an Epic series in the friggin finals!

    • @JD-wu2jk
      @JD-wu2jk 3 года назад +3

      Not sure if you know but Hersey Hawkins matched up with MJ for the first three games to rest Payton for offensive. This allowed MJ he averaged 31 points in those games. For games 4-6 George Karl finally let Payton check Jordan which lead to MJ average a career low 23 points for the following three games on lowered efficiency. Although they aren’t terrible numbers if Payton had guarded MJ the full series it would have caused major issues for him and the Chicago Bulls.

    • @nasirthesenatejohnson6935
      @nasirthesenatejohnson6935 3 года назад +2

      Don't forget Jordan shooting his worst field goal percentage in the finals against the Super Sonics

    • @jasonmoukala8909
      @jasonmoukala8909 3 года назад +2

      Look at the efficiency of those 27 points tho

    • @jasonmoukala8909
      @jasonmoukala8909 2 года назад +3

      His fg was really low for his standards tho

  • @TheBronke
    @TheBronke 3 года назад +35

    Kemp was monster in 96 finals. He faced great defense and still put these numbers. Everyone who was runner up to Jordan put great numbers, bus Jordan put monter numbers.

  • @lamefart
    @lamefart 3 года назад +17

    We forgot that the 96 Bulls was riddled with injuries and MJ had to do more especially in the defensive end. Harper, Pippen, Salley, Edwards etc were injured.. Also the rotational defense on MJ didn't help. At one game he only shot 4 attempts in the 4th quarter and concentrated more as a facilitator and defender - Pippen's role..

    • @Flamangatang
      @Flamangatang Год назад +2

      Yeh I think MJ was up against a lot more than Kemp. The Sonics had GP and Schremf and other shooters they tried to use. MJ was basically the only offensive force for the Bulls and he scored a large percentage of their PPG since both teams were so great defensively that the scores was very low.

  • @muhammadarshad6452
    @muhammadarshad6452 3 года назад +79

    He is an video idea Carmelo vs Paul Pierce

    • @_1luljayyy
      @_1luljayyy 3 года назад +6

      Carmelo easy

    • @tomekduresov706
      @tomekduresov706 3 года назад +6

      I'm taking Pierce

    • @FAlynn92
      @FAlynn92 3 года назад +13

      @@_1luljayyy I wouldn't say easily. Remember, Paul Pierce was really good. A lot of people forget that because of the things he says nowadays.

    • @_1luljayyy
      @_1luljayyy 3 года назад

      @@FAlynn92 true

    • @imrxcket
      @imrxcket 3 года назад +3

      Good idea, I'd personally take pierce but not by much

  • @bamboajegbomogun9775
    @bamboajegbomogun9775 3 года назад +119

    Bro I love it unique ideas ur one of a kind

  • @enochp.3547
    @enochp.3547 3 года назад +19

    Thank you for putting some respect on Shawn Kemp's name

  • @yoe91
    @yoe91 3 года назад +11

    Damn, Olajuwon was sort of the Jordan of centers. Like, impossibly dominant. Being the only AStar on the team and winning it two straight times right in the heart of the 90s. And this era was the golden age of big men, and he dominated Ewing, then Robinson, then Shaq.

  • @massdagod
    @massdagod 3 года назад +10

    You should do a video about how impressive Michael Jordan never losing a series while having home court advantage and being the only superstar player to ever accomplish that

    • @JStarNewYrk
      @JStarNewYrk 3 года назад

      Terrific tidbit. Thx 👍🏽

    • @massdagod
      @massdagod 3 года назад +2

      @@JStarNewYrk nothing terrible about that type of dominance

  • @jacobduncan9593
    @jacobduncan9593 3 года назад +5

    watching this really reminded me why Michael Jordan was the goat, I went back and watch game 1 in 1992 and it was literally the most excited I ever got when Jordan made all of those threes, one of my favorite moments as and nba fan and since I watched Jordan’s last shot like 100 times, this game might be my favorite Jordan game ever.

  • @whenisdinner2137
    @whenisdinner2137 3 года назад +3

    The reason Jordan had a poor stats in 96 was cause his teammates wouldn't hit a fucking shot to save their lives so the Sonics just double and triple teamed Jordan every possession. You give Seattle's defense too much credit. Most of jordan's team mates were shooting like 10% from the field.

  • @MrReese
    @MrReese 3 года назад +11

    I was never a fan of the Sonics and I don't like Payton, but they were really good and it's such a shame what happened to Kemp. He was an amazing player.

    • @loverboymr
      @loverboymr 3 года назад +2

      Unfortunately people remember the end of his career. He never really had an injury, he could have been 8-10 times all-star

    • @ktapreswreckd921v9
      @ktapreswreckd921v9 3 года назад

      @@loverboymr Very well said. And if Kemp would have avoided his off the court demons. He could have been playing like the Reignman until 35 or 36?

    • @Homer-OJ-Simpson
      @Homer-OJ-Simpson 2 года назад

      The Sonics (94) and Jazz (95) are two of the best teams ever that didn’t win the championship. That’s how good the Bulls and Joran were. Sonics won 64 and out scored opponents by about 8/game. They beat Jazz in 7…and the next year, Jazz got even better. 64 wins and out scored opponents by nearly 9/game!! Even 96 Jazz are among the best to not win championship- 62 wins and out scores others by 7/gm.

  • @YouMyNInja
    @YouMyNInja 3 года назад +16

    Do a “Shawn kemp is underrated video” please

  • @markjackson6431
    @markjackson6431 3 года назад +17

    PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON:
    (1) THE REAL DREAM TEAM 2
    (2) SHAQ V. WILT
    (3) HOW GOOD WAS ALONZO MOURNING ACTUALLY
    (4) IF THE ABA MVP WAS GIVEN TO THE BEST PLAYER

  • @marcoarreola9058
    @marcoarreola9058 3 года назад +9

    Kemp's best performance wasn't as good as Jordan's worst is basically what he's arguing.

    • @K-Dot94
      @K-Dot94 2 года назад

      uhh no? Hes arguing that it was better lol

  • @loverboymr
    @loverboymr 3 года назад +80

    The Reign Man should be in the hall of fame!!

    • @loverboymr
      @loverboymr 3 года назад +4

      Would be nice to make a video, arguing why he should be in it. 1990-1997 is a long enough sample. Most exciting PF ever, only player to outplay Mike in the finals, 6 All-Star, 3 All NBA second team, Dunk contest finalist, top 5 dunker of all time. It’s a bit similar to CWebb.

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 3 года назад +5

      Nah. Didn’t play at that level long enough. Name alone isn’t getting u in. He doesn’t have the resume. If he gets in, so should stoudamire. Their careers were damn near identical. He has no MVps, no titles, not enough all nba or all def selections, never led the league in anything, only 6 allstar which is he biggest accomplishment besides making a finals. His numbers are average as well. Doubt he ever makes the hall great player, but longevity and production is the name of the game.

    • @Rodzilla97
      @Rodzilla97 3 года назад +2

      @@TheIcemanthomas he had 10 straight all star caliber years. he should be in

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 3 года назад +1

      @@Rodzilla97 so did Elton brand. He’s not getting in. So did joe Johnson l. Antwaan Jamison has 20000 pts. Rasheed was a solid player for a long time.too. Blake Griffin has accomplished just as much as kemp as isn’t looked at the same way. It’s ok to love a player. But don’t be delusional..

    • @Rodzilla97
      @Rodzilla97 3 года назад +2

      @@TheIcemanthomas they didn't lead their teams to the NBA finals though. and i'd say Blake Griffin should get in anyway. possibly Joe Johnson at some point as well

  • @jp3813
    @jp3813 3 года назад +13

    It's amazing that MJ's 27.3 ppg, .415 fg%, 4.2 apg, 3.0 tov in the '96 Finals is comparable to Kobe's Finals career average of 25.3 ppg, .412 fg%, 5.1 apg, 3.3 tov
    The Sonics' general strategy throughout the series was to rotate different defenders on MJ every few minutes. Contrary to popular belief, GP was already included in the defensive rotation by Game 3, and directly caused more disruptions to MJ's best performance of the series (36 pts & 5 asts) than on the Father's Day clincher when MJ did well against GP as opposed to the other Sonics. However, GP deserves significant credit for setting the defensive tone in Game 4, while MJ bounced back in Game 5 despite the loss.

    • @Ali-on8dc
      @Ali-on8dc 3 года назад

      The way the Sonics and jazz would guard mj in those finals would’ve never been allowed today they were basically double and triple teaming him while handchecking and wrestling him in a way contrary to many the mid 90s till the early 2000s was the real defensive era not the 80s that’s why Jordan’s Fg% in the finals was low

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 3 года назад +2

      @@Ali-on8dc MJ's age was also a factor.

    • @Ali-on8dc
      @Ali-on8dc 3 года назад

      @@jp3813 it was in a way but the level of defense played against mj when he came back till 98 was real defense that’s why jordan mainly shot the fadeaway cause it was damn near impossible to get to the rim for an easy layup or dunk like how it’s easy today. Jordan was averaging over 30 a game while shooting basically 50% for a career in an era where defense was actually played especially the mid 90s till 2004

    • @Ali-on8dc
      @Ali-on8dc 3 года назад

      @@jp3813 let’s not forget jordan was doing this at shooting guard as well this isn’t Lebron or Shaq playing bully ball and getting easy dunks or layups jordan was 6-6 200 pounds doing this in the most defensive and arguably the toughest era in nba history.

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 3 года назад +2

      @@Ali-on8dc It was tough, alright. But I think MJ in his mid-20s would've nuked everyone on both ends of the court.

  • @AH-bm5xs
    @AH-bm5xs 3 года назад +7

    Looking at Jordan and Kemp's statistics side-by-side, I'd say MJ was still better; he definitely had better overall stats. Plus he was the more impactful one during the series. Although Kemp was still a brilliant runner up and a very under-appreciated player by many today.

    • @jt3360
      @jt3360 3 года назад +4

      Agreed, MJ still comes out on top by a bit unfortunately.

    • @Rodzilla97
      @Rodzilla97 3 года назад +5

      i agree, but just barely. reason i'd take MJ still is because he lead his team to the championship(so what he was doing was more impactful in winning), and he was being doubled more often(and scored more ppg). that said, Kemp certainly can be aruged as playing the best this series, and i think he should be in the hall of fame (along with KJ from the suns)

    • @AH-bm5xs
      @AH-bm5xs 3 года назад +2

      @@Rodzilla97 Yeah I very much agree with all that. I said MJ definitely had better stats overall, not that he was so ahead by far. And I especially agree that Kemp should be HoF.

    • @ktapreswreckd921v9
      @ktapreswreckd921v9 3 года назад

      @@AH-bm5xs Kemp. 23ppg, 10rpg, 3apg, 2spg, 2bpg. 55# shooting.
      Michael. 27ppg, 5rpg, 4apg, 1spg, 41# shooting. I think that Jonny got it right.

    • @Rodzilla97
      @Rodzilla97 3 года назад +2

      @@ktapreswreckd921v9 it's a close one, but MJ's work got his team the win with Pipen struggling heavily on offense 15.7 ppg 34% yiiiiikes.... and MJ was doubled constantly so that lead to a lot of ball movement and open shots. i love Kemp numbers here though, especially that he dominated Rodman so badly. HOF!!

  • @kennysmith7134
    @kennysmith7134 3 года назад +5

    You made the whole video to change one MVP???

  • @cartdot
    @cartdot 3 года назад +14

    He only changed the 96 finals to make it so it wasn’t the same. Jordan had less rebounds blocks and field goal percentage because he’s a big. That’s historically what bigs have an advantage over smalls on. I also feel like you severely underplayed the fact that the DPOY of that season was guarding Jordan for games 4,5, and 6. In game 4 and 6 Jordan’s percentage was in the 30s, but in game 1 it was 50, game 2 was over 40 and game 3 was 47. He also shot 50 in game 5. With all that said that would be the equivalent of Rudy Gobert gaurding kemp, and we all know that’s if that happened he wouldn’t have had as great of a series. With all that being said Jordan still got 27 a game, I find it hard to believe that his stats were considered worse than kemp’s, especially when you put it into context. Not to mention the fact that only “bigs” shot over 50% because it was such a defensively oriented series. The fact that Jordan had 27 while being gaurded by the DPOY is a lot more impressive than a big scoring 23 on 50% shooting and 10 boards. Fight Me.

  • @exiledknight3961
    @exiledknight3961 3 года назад +12

    Shawn Kemp was not the best player in 96 i am sorry.
    1. He got worse as the series went on his scoring was steadily declining with a one game exception. 32,29,14 25,22 ,18.
    2. He got dominated on rebounding.
    3. His defense was mediocre.
    4.Gary Payton s defense on MJ is only reason they didnt get swept
    5. Rodman was guarding Schrempf, not Kemp most the series.
    6. When it mattered most he didnt produce.
    7. In games 3,4,5,6 he was even the best player in his team.
    8. In games 3 and 6 he wasnt even second best player on his team. Schrempf had better games
    9. His number slipped when Rodman was guarding him( which he wasn t most the time.)
    10. Payton was better in 4 out of 6 games. His D on MJ is legendary and made him Sonics MVP.

    • @tennaj1367
      @tennaj1367 2 года назад +1

      You're correct the worrm didn't defend ☔ that much in the series... and Dennis Rodman was actually the MVP. It kind of sucks to that a lot of these guys who never watched Jordan actually play are making videos about. him. They are just buying the propaganda. 👎

    • @duffypratt
      @duffypratt 2 года назад

      Agree with this. His numbers look good, but at the time, watching the series, it was clear that Rodman got into his head at key moments. Always thought Rodman was the key to that series, and a lot of it was because of the effect he had on Kemp.

  • @cyrillesu
    @cyrillesu 3 года назад +4

    It's crazy that there are still some people out there who think that the 2017 Warriors could beat MJ's Bulls in a Finals series when the Bulls literally have a guy who can score 38 on a bad stomach and 35 in a half WITHOUT EVEN TRYING.

    • @juventinos81
      @juventinos81 3 года назад

      the problem with warriors vs the bulls is that their main power is their backcourt which had to go against jordan,pippen,rodman and harper.they dont have a chance. most difficult team for the bulls would have been the early 2000s lakers who had shaq and kobe or the 1986 celtics with parish mchale bird etc .

    • @jasonmoukala8909
      @jasonmoukala8909 2 года назад

      That warriors team is one of the greatest teams of all time

  • @vanguardas9927
    @vanguardas9927 3 года назад +6

    I'm glad the Reign Man gets more credit. He reminds me of Giannis (one of my favorite players today), an unstoppable atheltic power forward with flashy thunderous dunks. Looking at How Jordan's efficiency drops as he ages in the finals also shows that his prime was truly during the first 3peat.

    • @loverboymr
      @loverboymr 3 года назад +3

      Yes very sad no one remembers him in his prime. The 90’s had arguably the best PF and Kemp was always in the top especially the most exciting player. How he is not a hall of fame is crazy! Yes, he had inner demons, but he made us jump out of our seats. I wish Gary succeeded in talking sense into him. Stockton - Malone and Kemp-Payton.

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 3 года назад +3

      @@loverboymr it’s not crazy at all. His resume isn’t great. He was great but not for very long. He fizzled out pretty quickly due to injuries, weight issues, and his off court troubles. He just didn’t play at that high level for long enough. 6 years of allstars a few all nba second teams, with no other accolades, average numbers, and a popular name isn’t getting u in the hall.

    • @loverboymr
      @loverboymr 3 года назад +2

      @@TheIcemanthomas You’re talking rubbish. He was better than Griffin who will be in the HOF. Name me just one other player with Kemp’s accolades who is not in the HOF and is eligible. And also, he was arguably the second best player behind Shaq, in Dreams Team 2.

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 3 года назад

      @@loverboymr WHAT ACCOLADES. 6 allstars is not hof accolades. Almost everyone hof has more than that. Ur delusional. And being better than someone means absolutely nothing. Production gets u in. NOT TALENT. Common sense. I asked u to name me someone who’s s in the hof with less and U can’t do it because it doesn’t exist. Anyone u name I’ll have an answer for why they are in. Go ahead and try.

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 3 года назад +1

      @@loverboymr learn the difference between hof talent and actual deserving hof production. Kemp is a better talent than bill Russell. But u know why bill is a hofer. PRODUCTION. Mvps titles. Led the league in categories. A full careers worth statistical production, allstars, all nbas, etc. Produced on an alltime great level for an ENITRE CAREER. Kemp produced on an allstar level for a few years and was out the game. How can u put that on the same level? Just saying “well he’s Shawn kemp. He was a great dunker. He was great so he should get in,” is a disservice to the validity of the hof and basketball in general. If just anyone can get in just on being great for a few years, then what’s all the fuss over titles and mvps then? Win a few allstars and be popular and you’ll make the hof easy? No that’s not how it works. U need a solid mix of EVRYTHING. That: shown with 99.9% of the players currently in the hall. It may be easier to get into than other sports. But believe it or not, their is a standard that needs to be met to meet the voters standards. He doesn’t meet it. No disrespect to the reign man at all. But it is what it is.

  • @rymeergocrazy5312
    @rymeergocrazy5312 3 года назад +9

    Your videos are always good for real 💯

  • @loganmurphy2916
    @loganmurphy2916 3 года назад +3

    Great Vid. A lot of people forget that before he was Shawn Klump he was simply, The Reign man.

  • @ostuw
    @ostuw 3 года назад +98

    Easily Robert Horry for each one of his

  • @racewiththefalcons1
    @racewiththefalcons1 3 года назад +2

    4:53 basketball photography was so much better with ceiling-mounted flash instead of high-ISO like they do today.

  • @augustgreig9420
    @augustgreig9420 3 года назад +3

    I grew up watching Hakeem and Michael and practicing my post moves. Unfortunately I didn't grow, so I was 6' with a great post game LOL.

  • @Kawhiburnergaming
    @Kawhiburnergaming 3 года назад +7

    Everyone should keep it I think

    • @alexfarias5156
      @alexfarias5156 3 года назад +3

      Shawn Kemp was by far the best player in the 1996 finals. His numbers don't tell the whole story. Kemp had one bad game because he got in foul trouble, that's why his ppg is not higher, but he totally dominated the other 5 games.

  • @coulrophobic123
    @coulrophobic123 3 года назад +10

    Jonny: [says Shawn Kemp should've been Finals MVP over Jordan in '96]
    Michael: "So, I took it personally..."

  • @rodangrahf
    @rodangrahf 3 года назад +19

    so... Jordan lost the 96 finas mvp because he wasnt as good as himself? wtf lmao

    • @hristijandimitrovski8664
      @hristijandimitrovski8664 2 года назад +2

      No, he simply wasn't the best player on the court, he was only the best player from Chicago.

    • @thebasketballfan6248
      @thebasketballfan6248 2 года назад

      @@hristijandimitrovski8664 idk I think unless there is really no comparison then I think that a member of the winning team should have the finals MVP. It was pretty close between Kemp and Jordan statistically, a slight lead for Kemp at best, so I feel Jordan should definitely keep the MVP considering the Bulls won 4-2.

    • @hristijandimitrovski8664
      @hristijandimitrovski8664 2 года назад +3

      @@thebasketballfan6248 do you underatand that this video isn't about team's succsess, definitely 4-2 doesn't mean nothing in this video. This is video only for players who played the best in those series and Kemp was better than Jordan. Great blocker, also averaged over 23 points which is very good, even exellent on 55% shooting, it is definitely better than 27 points on 41% shooting. They were close, but Kemp was a little bit better.

    • @thebasketballfan6248
      @thebasketballfan6248 2 года назад

      @@hristijandimitrovski8664 I hear what you're saying but being the best player doesn't always mean best stats. For example Kemp dominated game 1, but the Bulls belted them that game so looking back it would of been good for Kemp to of used his stats on a different game. In game 2 which was the only close game of the series Kemp didn't play as well as his series stats, in the close game Jordan got 29/8/6. Game 3 Jordan scored 36 and effectively dug the sonics into a 3-0 hole. Kemp and Jordan both had their worst performance in game 6, but with Bulls winning by 12 did Jordan need to have a great game no, Kemp? yes. Looking purely at stats it is relatively close as well.
      Jordan: Points, Assists, Steals, Less Turnovers
      Kemp: Blocks, Rebounds, Field Goal Percentage

  • @carrastealth
    @carrastealth 3 года назад +13

    Love that you brought up the 91 Bulls vs Lakers final and all the injuries the Lakers dealt with.
    I always bring up that Finals whenever people try to excuse a Finals loss (such as with LeBron) or when ESPN constantly tries to find excuses or brings up injuries. I pretty much say that they aren't going back to Jordan's 1st Championship and say he didn't earn it because the Lakers were injured and Magic had no help.
    They don't say that the Pistons didn't deserve the sweep over the Lakers because the Lakers came into the series injured.
    They don't say that the Celtics didn't deserve the 07 Championship vs The Lakers because Bynum and Ariza were injured. So they shouldn't be making excuses and trying to say that LeBron's finals losses 'don't count' or that the Warriors finals wins 'have an asterisk'. They don't say that the Bulls didn't deserve their Championship in their 72-10 season because Payton was injured and yet they still held Jordan to 41% shooting and had multiple chances to win despite that.
    True legends don't need excuses, and ESPN does the modern day legends no favors by trying to find excuses for their favorites(I say favorites but it's mainly just LeBron). And I say that as a Lakers fan that is overjoyed to have him.

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 года назад +11

      You're touching on something on something I've been thinking about for a while, and a video I want to make one day. Injuries potentially changing outcomes has ALWAYS been a part of the game, so yeah, excuses or "asterisks" are just kinda weak. Just a few examples from Jordan's era alone...
      1990 ECF Game 7: Paxson with out with a bad ankle, and Pippen played like crap with a migraine.
      1991 Finals: Worthy and Scott missing time with injuries.
      1996 ECF: Horace Grant missed 3 games to an injury.

    • @cultok
      @cultok 3 года назад +1

      Injuries do change the game and can make a finals much easier/harder

    • @carrastealth
      @carrastealth 3 года назад

      @@jonnyarnett That sounds like a pretty awesome idea! :)

    • @crisaracon7379
      @crisaracon7379 3 года назад +9

      That's a big lie. Worthy and Scott wasn't injured until Game 4. Scott disappeared completely in this series even before injury. Worthy played well until he got injured. And no the Lakers were not undermanned coz Perkins and Divac put up double digit scoring while during Game 5 Campbell played well as replacement player for Worthy. Game 3 loss was really devastating coz Pippen was out of the game after fouling out and they had a 2 point lead in dying seconds. Then MJ took over.

    • @airtime23
      @airtime23 3 года назад +1

      @@crisaracon7379 That's one of the reasons I have that clutch shot over Divac as maybe Jordan's greatest shot ever.

  • @UnknownTheGreatest72829
    @UnknownTheGreatest72829 3 года назад +15

    Jonny the Goat 🐐❤️👑

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 года назад +4

      Haha, thanks man :) Just a dude is his room who makes videos.

    • @Navvye
      @Navvye 3 года назад

      @@jonnyarnett and helps us get through the week

  • @Michael-ky5yn
    @Michael-ky5yn 3 года назад +3

    96 I think is still Jordan bc if you look at the rest of the bulls it’s very obvious that Jordan CARRIED the entire bulls offense that series.

  • @kenari5763
    @kenari5763 3 года назад +1

    I appreciate all the research that went into this. Thank you for making quality content.

  • @owenruf9256
    @owenruf9256 3 года назад +10

    Wow over 51% in '98 by Jordan... that doesn't get talked about enough

    • @ostuw
      @ostuw 3 года назад

      @Hoop Club exactly

    • @jasonmoukala8909
      @jasonmoukala8909 3 года назад

      @Hoop Club Not to be a bronsexual but bron percentages for his fmvp this year was 59 percent.

    • @jasonmoukala8909
      @jasonmoukala8909 3 года назад

      @@ostuw Not to be a bronsexual but bron percentages for his fmvp this year was 59 percent. He’s also 35

    • @jasonmoukala8909
      @jasonmoukala8909 3 года назад

      Not to be a bronsexual but bron percentages for his fmvp this year was 59 percent. He’s also 35

    • @juventinos81
      @juventinos81 3 года назад

      @@jasonmoukala8909 because he has the benefit of playing with other great offensive player and he doesnt take many bad/forced shots.he can be more selective.put lebron in a team like bulls were only jordan was capaple at offensive end,taking as many shots as jordan and he will go close to 40%.they are had been numerous series were lebron had to take many shots without reliable second offensive option and he was close to 40% or below.

  • @kaarongreenidge2046
    @kaarongreenidge2046 3 года назад +5

    Jordan should have kept his finals mvp in 96 even though it wasn't his best series

    • @bosschello2363
      @bosschello2363 3 года назад +3

      Agreed

    • @alexfarias5156
      @alexfarias5156 3 года назад +1

      Kemp looked like an NBA player while the rest looked like college players. Kemp was by far the best player in those finals. Jordan played horrible. His ppg is inflated because the refs would always give him more points at the free throw line. I saw those finals.

    • @bosschello2363
      @bosschello2363 3 года назад +1

      @@alexfarias5156 tbh I don't give a fuck

  • @nicholasmnich9015
    @nicholasmnich9015 3 года назад +6

    The only issue I have with taking Kemp over Jordan is just how do you give MVP honors to a player that couldn't even take the series to 7.

  • @ktapreswreckd921v9
    @ktapreswreckd921v9 3 года назад +2

    Good and honest observation Jonny! I still have the 1996 Finals on VHS. And you're right, Kemp was the better player. Scoring, rebounding and defending.... that zany Rodman was pretty much just supplying Rebounds only.

  • @yugainarora6246
    @yugainarora6246 3 года назад +3

    One thing that nobody talks about when talking about the 90s is that Michael and hakeem never went head to head in the finals . They bothe won multiple championships but never went head to head it would have been the best final series ever. Sad we never got to see it.

    • @matthewbartke4424
      @matthewbartke4424 3 года назад +2

      Cartwright's job would have been to crack Hakeem's skull again.

    • @tzovlask
      @tzovlask 3 года назад

      @@matthewbartke4424 pretty sure Grant would have been the one covering him

  • @jshonsmith3399
    @jshonsmith3399 3 года назад +2

    1st three peat MJ was so much more superior to the 2nd I hate when people call 96-98 his peak

  • @jijmotorp3079
    @jijmotorp3079 3 года назад +5

    idk if you can do this but finals mvp before the creation of the award ?

  • @jbug1979
    @jbug1979 3 года назад +2

    8:33 damn that's an awesome photo. making Patrick Ewing look like a little kid!

  • @ShooterSanoff
    @ShooterSanoff 3 года назад +3

    You just made this video so you could slander Jordan in the 96 finals and give the award to someone else.. every other year you gave it the original winner and when you compare the the 2 Jordan wins it over kemp in that series. 27 ppg is bad for Jordan not for the rest of the nba

  • @randomperson2540
    @randomperson2540 3 года назад +7

    I've been waiting for this

  • @thebullfighter6733
    @thebullfighter6733 3 года назад +3

    I don’t agree with 96... and my reason is not because Jordan is Mecca it’s because we don’t take into account disruptive presence on court or the fact that the last game diluted his numbers. If you Have Jordan it opens up the floor for everyone else. They were great two seasons prior without him they owed it to him to stand up for one game.

  • @AvgFil
    @AvgFil 2 года назад +2

    "The mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays"

  • @marekwichniarek268
    @marekwichniarek268 3 года назад +4

    Ok, let's talk about game 3 of 1996 finals - deciding game of the series: Jordan 36 pts in 41 minutes - Kemp 14 pts in 42 minutes. End of the comparision. Where was Kemp when Sonics needed him most?

  • @jayhay8
    @jayhay8 3 года назад +2

    Agree except in 1990 I think Clyde Drexler played the best and in 1996 I think Shawn Kemp played the best

  • @killadiator1014
    @killadiator1014 3 года назад +5

    jordan was simply unfair, that stat lines are straight outta 2k

  • @omni_king2317
    @omni_king2317 3 года назад +4

    Jordan worse playoff average was 27.3 and that still good

  • @chrisjoseph3883
    @chrisjoseph3883 3 года назад +4

    Honestly I think you just made the change in 96 cuz otherwise there would b no changes.... yes Jordan had his worst finals that year but his numbers are comparable to the 98 finals as well only slightly worse FG% and Karl Malone had better numbers than kemp in my opinion but you still give it to Jordan in 98... instead of him losing both I think he should win both... like yes Shawn kemp had a higher FG% but taken into account that he’s a forward that shoots more higher percentage shots he should have a higher FG % and he scored 5 less ppg than jordan.. so it wasn’t like kemp was Hakeem averaging 30 ppg on same efficiency...

  • @Kawhiburnergaming
    @Kawhiburnergaming 3 года назад +2

    Did not expect that 10:09

  • @lukacalov1988
    @lukacalov1988 3 года назад +4

    Bruh in 90s litetaly almost every time won best player
    You should do this for 2010 it would be hella lot different

  • @minecraft4lifesports743
    @minecraft4lifesports743 2 года назад

    I feel like for 1991 he was saying that Jordan and Johnson both deserved it. Because he spent so much time talking about how great both of them were in the series

  • @makiroll9960
    @makiroll9960 3 года назад +5

    i dont know what u smoked when u decided to give kemp the fmvp

  • @abizitgill4310
    @abizitgill4310 3 года назад +2

    Reign Man

  • @ostuw
    @ostuw 3 года назад +8

    Do a video for who is better between Scottie Pippen or Kawhi

    • @vihaankadarla7734
      @vihaankadarla7734 3 года назад

      that is a really good idea

    • @juventinos81
      @juventinos81 3 года назад +2

      is this even a debate?

    • @GameChanger-xi4iy
      @GameChanger-xi4iy 3 года назад +2

      Kawhi is better but he had the advantage of playing in the modern era with modern training and all that, no doubt if you switch their places scottie would be better.

    • @ktapreswreckd921v9
      @ktapreswreckd921v9 3 года назад

      @@GameChanger-xi4iy Agreed! Pippen was just a little more complete as a basketball player than Leonard.

  • @williamkoscielniak820
    @williamkoscielniak820 3 года назад +8

    I'm a life long Chicagoan who grew up in the 90's watching Jordan. I don't have words for that man. Larry Bird put it best when he said "That's not Michael Jordan. That's God disguised as Michael Jordan".

  • @tmac731
    @tmac731 3 года назад +4

    3:00 I thought Bryan Scott got injured in the final 5 game though

    • @massdagod
      @massdagod 3 года назад +3

      So did worthy. Worthy injured himself out the series in game four when they were Down double digits already

    • @tmac731
      @tmac731 3 года назад +1

      @@massdagod right I hate when people use the injury excuse

  • @dezzireactstv4572
    @dezzireactstv4572 3 года назад +7

    Please do real mvps of the 1960s decade

    • @tdl8472
      @tdl8472 3 года назад +3

      Wilt...Wilt

    • @dezzireactstv4572
      @dezzireactstv4572 3 года назад

      Tai Adewoye yeah but it could be interesting

  • @janakia3747
    @janakia3747 3 года назад +14

    i think jordan should have still won finals mvp in 1996

  • @Ap-nv1hk
    @Ap-nv1hk 3 года назад +3

    It just amazes me how anyone even has the audacity to compare any mere mortal to Michael Jordan, there’s just no comparison not even close.

  • @hydemckinney
    @hydemckinney 3 года назад +3

    Video suggestion: Was Jerry West a better player or a better GM

    • @markpagtama7954
      @markpagtama7954 3 года назад +1

      Gm easily.

    • @marquisdaniels8371
      @marquisdaniels8371 3 года назад

      @@markpagtama7954 I don’t know l. He was a beast player. He just consistently played better teams

    • @markpagtama7954
      @markpagtama7954 3 года назад

      @@marquisdaniels8371 thats what makes gm jerry better. When he works with a team, that team becomes unfair for others. Dude consistently builds superteams like its no big deal.

  • @alecsanderhamilton9224
    @alecsanderhamilton9224 3 года назад +1

    @7:49
    Barkley was amazing as well but that 47% against Jordan, a trigger happy SG, when Barkley was normally a 60% at his best percent. H. Grant, Pippen and the Bulls D deserve hella credit for this lid they put on Barkley. Suns and Bulls both averaged 106.7 ppg in this finals. High energy and wide open. 70s ball in the house. Still tough D performances.

  • @lazarobrenic6829
    @lazarobrenic6829 3 года назад +3

    This video is wrong - this argument is made just for lebron cuz he lost most in of his final appearance so when you try to implement this argument in 90s era of basketball it doesnt work cuz MJ won all of his final appearance and he was clearly the best player same can be said for The Dream and his 2 rings and Tim Duncan
    P.S. i am not MJ fanboy but in 1996 finals he was best player man

  • @ABrown-hs7fy
    @ABrown-hs7fy 3 года назад

    Arnett i love your channel my guy. You put up real info and separate your fandom from your history and research Big up yourself!

  • @alecsanderhamilton9224
    @alecsanderhamilton9224 3 года назад +3

    @6:47
    That being said, 93 Finals Jordan may be greatest offensive player ever...

  • @jonahbrown4026
    @jonahbrown4026 Год назад

    Thanks for these videos!!!!

  • @clintonparks1049
    @clintonparks1049 3 года назад +15

    I remember watching the 96 series and thinking wow Kemp outplayed Jordan.

  • @azaanatif9984
    @azaanatif9984 3 года назад +2

    I Disagree with Kemp since most of his shots were dunks and layups. One takes more effort to make a shot than drive

    • @ktapreswreckd921v9
      @ktapreswreckd921v9 3 года назад

      Kemp developed his newly perimeter jumper in the 96 Playoffs and it was on display in the Finals as well. Too go along with the dunks, lay ups. Plus Kemp was really hitting his freethrows.

  • @eternalboss1046
    @eternalboss1046 3 года назад +13

    I agree. Outside of 96 the finals MVPs went to the best player in the series.

  • @elliotenbom6561
    @elliotenbom6561 3 года назад +1

    hey when is the top 50 players video coming? Been waiting for some time for it.

  • @jbug1979
    @jbug1979 3 года назад +4

    9:10 this dunk is nuts. look how much ground he covered in just one step.

  • @pauloangelofamularcano1031
    @pauloangelofamularcano1031 3 года назад

    @Jonny Arnett great content, fantastic series. The pressure of selecting the Finals MVP is not helped by the fact there are a plethora of considerations that need to be addressed in a span of a few minutes. And I think, this series is guided by the right data, and more importantly, the right questions. Thank you Jonny Arnett.

    • @pauloangelofamularcano1031
      @pauloangelofamularcano1031 3 года назад

      Having said that, I cannot wait for the REAL MVP: 2010-2020 edition. The era that, I FEEL, is convoluted by so many “what-if” situations.

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for the love, bro, and the 2010s video is already done! Definitely some hot takes on this one, so let me know what you think of it ruclips.net/video/RcrqoxuAZ7A/видео.html

  • @peteallen216
    @peteallen216 3 года назад +8

    Once again, a 90s basketball video ends up being an MJ tribute lol

  • @VideoGameVotary
    @VideoGameVotary 3 года назад

    Hey @jonnyarnett I laugh every time the clip of MJ with the ball fake to David Wesley! 😂😂😂😂 caught the hell out of him! 😂😂😂😂

  • @shahriar6444
    @shahriar6444 3 года назад +3

    MJ on every single one thats it. done

    • @mahmoodhassan7887
      @mahmoodhassan7887 3 года назад +1

      He keeps them all

    • @gggyy7104
      @gggyy7104 3 года назад

      Yeah because he totally deserves 90, 94, 95, 99 he was totally the best player in those finals which he didn’t even play in as well as 96 which Kemp totally doesn’t deserve

    • @whyar3y0uga34
      @whyar3y0uga34 3 года назад

      @@gggyy7104 not funny

    • @shahriar6444
      @shahriar6444 3 года назад

      @@gggyy7104 yea dude that's exactly what i meant. You got it totally right

    • @gggyy7104
      @gggyy7104 3 года назад

      @@shahriar6444 yeah thought so

  • @AdLast
    @AdLast 3 года назад

    It was nice to watch. Thanks dude!

  • @Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie
    @Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie 3 года назад +6

    I think Jordan's 93 finals is the greatest of all time

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 3 года назад

      How Barkley's nice teammates could disappear that much (especially on the defensive end) when the Finals begun is the greatest mistery

  • @User28163
    @User28163 3 года назад

    Great video! Thanks for using stats that get very overlooked

  • @mr.galactico7544
    @mr.galactico7544 3 года назад +3

    IDK Jordan still average and had more Points, Assists, Steals, and fewer turnovers.

  • @antwan1357
    @antwan1357 2 года назад +1

    Shawn Kemp ruined his own career when he wanted a max contract pushing his way out of Seattle . Can't say he didn't deserve it though he got his pay day , but played for bad teams the rest of his career. Same thing with Horace Grant got his pay day max contract but never won again after that while holding that contract.

  • @nicolocadamuro9988
    @nicolocadamuro9988 3 года назад +3

    Johnny I'm still unsure about the '96 finals MVP. I totally agree, that was a terrible series by Jordan, but he was the best player in the first half of the series. Then Chicago was up 3-0, the Sonics put Payton on MJ and he dropped his performances, but still played well in game 5. The whole Bulls squad shoot very poorly (Pippen especially), the Sonic's defense was tremendous. I'm still slightly giving the award to MJ

  • @bambooposadas5744
    @bambooposadas5744 3 года назад

    12:46 look Jordan looking Kemp doing his Jumpman logo....

  • @RVered
    @RVered 3 года назад +7

    The Last Dance and MJ whitewashed the 1996 Finals; Laughing at Payton's comments, diminishing the Sonics, making it seem like MJ's woes were because his mind "was in a different place."
    Jordan had his worst series, Payton was a nightmare for him, and the numbers showed that, and the series was the hardest out of the Bulls' 6 rings.
    Micheal, we all know you're the GOAT. You don't need to diminish others to prove anything.

    • @loverboymr
      @loverboymr 3 года назад +3

      If only GP wasn’t injured the first 3 games.

    • @RVered
      @RVered 3 года назад +2

      @@loverboymr and if George Karl put him on MJ from game 1 and not game 4 when they were already down 0-3, with no home-court advantage, and basically out of reach.

    • @coolman7626
      @coolman7626 3 года назад +4

      @@RVered The next time the bulls faced the sonics in 97, MJ dropped 45 while gary was guarding him. This was the same Gary that still made the all-defensive first team and finished 2nd in dpoy voting that year. How does MJ go from getting locked up by payton to seemingly torching him for 45?

    • @RVered
      @RVered 3 года назад +1

      @@coolman7626 different team rosters, different circumstances, Shawn Kemp was drunk DURING THE GAME and unraveling (PS: it's actually very tragic; he became an alcoholic and cocaine addict. After the 96 finals, SK lost it.), no playoff exhaustion, no playoff pressure. What's even your point? The stats that show MJ struggled when GP was on him in that specific series don't exist? you can't take results from a completely different time and place and make deductions; that's not how statistics work.

    • @coolman7626
      @coolman7626 3 года назад +1

      @@RVered The 97 team was still very similar to the 96 team. They still had all of the main guys from the 96 finals. They really only lost a couple of role players and still won 57 games. They actually held their opponents to less points in 97 than in 96. What does shawn kemp have to with this as well? He wasn’t guarding Jordan. Kemp was still an all star that year. It wasn’t a playoff game yes, but it sure felt like one. Why wouldn’t the sonics want to beat the team that they just lost to in the finals? What stats show that Jordan specifically struggled when gary guarded him? Jordan shot 37% in the final three games but do you really think Gary was guarding him on every single possession and on every single shot Jordan took?

  • @samjacob1310
    @samjacob1310 3 года назад +1

    Hey Jonny! Amazing video as usual! I do have a question. Do you think the name of the award should be changed? Between both your format and the NBA format, I believe the Most Valuable Player is not selected. If you do agree with the award name change, how would you name it?