Which of these guys were better in their prime? NOTE: Malone made 3 trips to the Finals, not 2 like I said in the video. I think I subconsciously wiped the 2004 Finals from my memory as a Lakers fan... lol
Charles always felt more explosive. Karl always felt more consistent and methodical. I think I'd rather have a 93 Barkley over a 97 Malone, but I agree that Karl had a better career. His longevity is kind of insane.
I think if you take the best few years of each Barkley is the more explosive and talented all-around player but as you said Malone had a much longer peak and career longevity.
San Antonio big o'l women smashing the dislike button while eating churros both hands and Phoenix fans at home disliking while enjoying their stale nachos w/ cold cheese
Malone was consistently great for longer than Sir Charles. Malone for his whole Jazz career was fantastic, not quite as good on the Lakers. Barkley was great on the Sixer, most of his time on the Suns, by the time he was on the rockets for several years, he just wasn't the same player.
@@come2morrow368 Im talking about the time at the 92 olympics in barcelona. In a practice match without cameras Jordan showed them all whos the boss which some of those players say was the greatest ever game of basketball. But against weaker opposition at those olympics Jordan allowed Barkley to dominate, I remember watching those games when i was a teen.
Barkley was mvp of Dream team. Should have been mvp in 91 but the tossed magic a last bone before the situation he had.. Barkley was a serious problem in the nba until he gave up after the 93 loss in finials. He still was good but no more hard push to be great imo
@@Lalexander3324 Not everyone has a PG like that and still do good. Hakeem didn't and still won championships. The Lakers in the early 2000s didn't and still three-peated and so on.
I'm going with Malone. The height difference and better conditioning makes a difference. He can get you more points and was a better defender. Maybe having Stockton gave Karl more points, but maybe having Malone gave John more assists. It works both ways.
Your point of analysis is spot on, but i favor Barkley, because i feel it would have been easier for him to succeed playing along Stockton, than it would have been for Malone to play in Phila., with Cheeks for a short period, and the other sub par PG's that had the helm with the Sixers .. Remember Barkley at times led the break after securing the rebound. Barkley had guard instincts.. Malone could never have handled that responsibility.
Karl Malone with John Stockton (best PG of all time) and a better team with a big margin; 25.0 ppg 10.1 rpg 3.6 apg 1.4 spg 0.8 bpg Charles Barkley with trash teams; 21.1 ppg 11.7 rpg 3.9 apg 1.5 spg 0.8 bpg Charles Barkley is the best Power Forward of all time. He had no rings because he had trash teams.
I just looked at Malone's statistics and I'm amazed of his longevity. Aside from two seasons he played at least 80 of the seasons games. That's impressive.
These people keep taunting Malone over personal matters that has nothing to do with the argument here between him and Barkley. It's only about basketball and save your shitty comments about something 40 years ago that's seems to be breaking news here in other videos about him regarding these things. How stupid can you get.
John Stockton had similar durability. He played 19 seasons, and in 17 of those he played every game. He only missed a total of 22 games during his entire career plaing in 1,504 out of a possible 1,5026 games.
It would have to be KG. He's an overall better player than Dirk. Dirk obviously is better offensively but KG's rebounding and defense are way better, plus he was a great offensive scorer.
Although I loved to watch Barkley play, my favorite was always Malone. He was built like a tank, and his work ethic was second to none. He started his career in mid 80s, played in a tough physical era, and retired when he was 40. Never for once I saw him out of shape. Barkley on the other hand was already in the twilight of his career when he joined Rockets. Also, people often mention the role of Stockton in Malone's career. But it is also true that because of the Mailman, John was piling up on those assists. I think Karl and John made each other better basketball players. They made pick-n-roll an art, and it's just a damn shame that they didn't win at least one championship together.
@@Zamppa86 To be fair that was only Shaq's third year and besides Penny he was practically carrying the team. In general and all aspects Hakeem is the better center no doubt.
@Briscoe17555 Not even close, Malone never had Chuck's skill set and a lot of his buckets came from being fed by first or second best point guard of all time. Chuck was at another level.
@Briscoe17555 kobe barerly averaged 10 ppg in that jazz playoff series why u saying "when the hell did Barkley ever sweep kobe and shaq?" As if kobe was any good that year lmao here is your 🤡 clown of the year award stupidest thing i've ever read & this dude even said that malone was better for his career so u mentioning chuck in houston is even dumber
Head-to-head between 1984-1994: Barkley averaged 23.4 points, 10.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists, and 1.9 steals per game on 54.7% shooting while Malone averaged 24.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 1.4 steals per game on 51.1% shooting. From this we see that at Barkley’s own peak in their head-to-head matchups he was a more skilled all-around player in terms of having the ball in his hands and a more ferocious rebounder and efficient scorer than Malone. Malone’s better conditioning though led to him sustaining a much longer career peak than Chuck and he began to usually best him in their matchups after the 93-94 season, with Malone’s passing and playmaking continuing to improve during these mid-90s years as Barkley’s own individual dominance as a player was fading. So from 1989-93 I take Chuck but by 95 onward it’s The Mailman by a country mile. If Chuck stayed under 250 he would’ve probably had a much more gradual drop off though nobody but Lebron matches Malone’s late-career consistency. TLDR: Malone’s work ethic solidified his overall career peak as being more impressive in total, however pure ability-wise on the court Barkley was more dominant head-to-head during the time he was at his very best.
One of the most said phrase by commentators back then was: Stockton to Maloneee..... Stockton played a big role making Malone a scorer. Barkley... He was top scorer in Dream Team I, and Dream Team II. Imagine that.
@@ubeman401 Put Charles in Jazz and Malone in Philapelphia or Phenix that time. Or, switch Stockton with Maurice Cheeks (Phil) or Kevin Johnson (Phoe). What will happen? As I mentioned, Malone enjoyed easy buckets from Stockton's assist, yet Barkley's FG% is higher than Malaone.
@@jepoymeneses Yeah they wouldn't have gotten it without each other, they worked so well on the the Pick & Roll. They'd still do really good individually but I think that it won't be as good as they are together.
As a Philly boy, Charles is my favorite baller. His first yr with the Suns was awesome, but he was at his very best when he was with the Sixers. He could really ball with the Sixers. I saw him get old right before my eyes in his third year with the Suns in the playoffs. I will def agree that at their best, Charles was the better player, while Malone had the better career.
Malone was a much more well rounded player. Making NBA 1st all defensive team while also contending for scoring titles is insane. Also having as long and consistent careers as Malone and Stockton had is no coincidence. It takes so much work on and off the court year after year especially in-between NBA seasons. It’s such an undervalued trait when comparing players like this.
Hey jonny i think you made a mistake when you said that malone made 2 trips to the finals, he actually made another one in 2004, when the lakers lost to the pistons.. Great Vid btw!
Just kinda randomly I guess. I'm trying to do the ones people are requesting the most. I'm getting a lot of Center requests, like Shaq and Hakeem, or Shaq and Wilt, etc. I might do something like that next.
@@jonnyarnett Super excited for the next vid bro! ik that youve made videos on each of those legends, so itll be interesting to see how they compare vs each other. Especially Hakeem Vs Shaq.
I all ways thought Charles Barkley was a small forward that played like a power forward. Small forwards use to go up to 6.7 height. You may label him as a badazz two guard and not be wrong.
Charles numbers in the original Dream Team are even better than Jordan's. Does it mean he's better than His Airness? Of course not. Because it's not supposed to be taken seriously like you fools do.
Love both of these guys. Both super dominant as hell. I have to say Karl should win this one. You would honestly take him everyday of the week and twice on Sunday if you had the opportunity.
Great video. My knee-jerk reaction when you started this series was skepticism, because these kinds of bar conversations always end in pointless sniping. But of course, you brought a ton of research and effort and make videos as good as always. Thanks! My only issue with this video isn't even about Barkley or Malone. You call Stockton, "*one of* the greatest facilitators of all time" . . . and that's an insult to Stockton, because no one else is even close to him. Magic and IT were amazing, and probably better overall players, but as *facilitators* alone, it's not close ;)
Real talk...I remember when he cut Zeek in the first half of a game, he went to the locker room and got stitches and came back out and finished the game like g.
@@rafalizola 40 Stiches to Isiah Thomas (couldn't have happened to a nicer guy) was definitely his most brutal, but that KO on Robinson was definitely a strong Number 2.
I remember when Malone knocked out the Suns PG "Socks" Elliott Perry (because he was one of the few to wear knee high socks during the 90's in his NBA career, also remember Walt Williams too) with those elbows.
I'd take either.Both were awesome.Just a reminder that the Mailman is the 2nd leading scorer of all time in NBA history to this date.Thats over MJ,the great Kobe and the late great Wilt.
I love Barkley and they keep saying he was actually shorter but when I see pictures of him next to Jordan they appear to be the same height. I also love Malone. But Stockton was my favorite.
@@bronxbully6261 yeah I hear people saying that but I believe he said he was/is 6’6” and in pictures next to Jordan they seem the same height. I think the bigger issue or advantage is wingspan. If you are a crocodile 7 footer with a 7’ wingspan you have no real advantage over a guy 6’9” with 7’5” wingspan.
@@wakawaka1976 you right bro iverson was lil but his hands and arms was like a certain animal iam not gone mention because I dont want people to think iam racist but you know the animal billy packer almost got fired for calling him that animal
Michael Jordan was really like 6'5, a lot of NBA Players add 1 to 3 inches on their height, like somebody told they saw Rick Fox in person and he said he more like 6'4 than his actual 6'7 NBA height.
It’s got to be Malone. Barkley was more versatile with his ball-handling ability, but Malone was the better defender and was a more disciplined basketball player. Barkley’s biggest weakness was that he wasn’t a good 3-point shooter but he had a habit of jacking them up. And again, you can’t ignore the defensive side, basketball is equally a two-way game. One guy made several All-Defensive teams and one guy didn’t make any.
Yes, I finally had a suggestion made into video and it's by the best basketball RUclipsr out there! Keep it up Jonny, I genuinely get excited whenever you bring out a new video.
Barkley was undoubtedly the more talented player. His power, dexterity and footwork in the low post was just uncanny. He could shoot and handle the ball. But... I don't think he ever became the player he could have been. If he had been as committed to conditioning like Karl Malone he could have rivalled Jordan.
*Barkley, for just the fact he was really only 6'4 and dominating the entire court. Especially his inside game, in which he backed down "any player, including Karl Malone. Skill of difficulty level, and as the author showed, "his efficiency" is what gives the nod to Barkley. Also another key realty. Malone had "The Great" John Stockton feeding him his entire career!!! Barkley didn't!!!*
I take Karl over Barkley due to his better defense and scoring. I do though understand that Barkley’s efficiency and rebounding give him a advantages but the difference in efficiency and rebounding is not enough of a difference to drown out the difference of Karl’s scoring and defense.
You're absolutely right Jonny! Karl did benefit from playing with Stockton. Barkley was the better rebounder, the better ball handler, the better passer. And even though the numbers don't show it. Barkley was a better and more diverse scorer.
No. Barkley scorer more in transition. Meanwhile Malone was more of a low post threat that could shoot better. Malone was the better iso scorer. And defensively Malone is a lot better and Malone was no slouch on the boards either he is 7th all time in rebounds and 2nd in points.
@@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249 In his Philadelphia year, Barkley scored a lot in Transition. In Phoenix and Houston, Barkley main scoring place was in the post with his back to the basket. As well as taking and making his free throws. Unlike Malone.
@@ubeman401 He's not lol, Charles did better with what he had than Malone with Stockton, even in the 92 Dream Team Practice Sessions Malone got Cooked by Charles. The fact that Charles was only a "Transition Threat" and Malone's a better shooter and post threat is purely false, there's a reason why the Charles Barkley Rule was made, he was such a strong ass threat down in the paint and was practically unguardible, could move people like Shaq, Malone himself and even Rodman back.
like it was mentioned in the vid, having stockton was HUGE.... BUT: Utah didn't have anyone else... they were decent team, but not great besides stock and malone. Basically you knew to guard Malone or even double team malone the entire game. If I had to put a team together and in the end could only pick Barkley or Malone... no way I'm not picking Karl Malone.
@@urwholefamilydied I respectfully disagree. You can’t separate the fact that Stock enters most GOAT point guard conversations in the first ten seconds. Who’s better all time? The Logo, Pistol Pete, maybe Magic? I love the Glove but I’d be flat out lying if I said Payton was better than Stockton. As for them being alone on the Jazz... Jeff Hornacek? Bryon Russell? Raja Bell? Even the much maligned Greg Ostertag was a straight beast on defense. They were the second best team in the league over the 1990s, better than the Spurs, the Lake show, and my Sonics. Only the Bulls were better during their run. It boggles the mind that they didn’t win banners. All Sloan really needed Mailman to do in his scheme was score. I always felt that if Malone kicked it out to those capable wing guys a little more often instead of always crashing into traffic to whine for fouls, there’d probably be a banner or two in the Salt Palace rafters. To be fair, though, if I had Malone’s build and shot about 90% from the charity stripe, I’d be tempted to pad my stats by playing for fouls, too.
@@leebrunk4390 very succinct reply... I'm not even a huge sports guy... but I always defend the Jazz because I was born in Utah (moved to michigan) and always followed them. I was heartbroken when they didn't defeat the bulls. So yeah.. a Jazz fan trying to make excuses. Utah had a great team in the mid/late 90's. I can't argue that (although I embarrassingly tried to). They had the misfortune of being at their best in Jordan's prime. And stock didn't play great that series. Oh well. Just hate when Stock and Malone are sort of put aside as no-ring-wearing-mormon-land-dorky-short-shorts-don't deserve to be in the top 5-morman again-second rate-no excuse for a... blah blah blah. No respect for two of the greats. some respect.
This comparison sucks because of Stockton. On paper and on video Malone is better. I just love Barkley so much tho and he's more impressive given his versatility and size. Plus no Stockton.
@Nick jaramillo that’s funny Karl Malone isn’t even better than Dirk and KG the list goes Tim Duncan, Dirk, KG, Barkley then Malone. Malone is really close to beating Barkley but Barkley is just more skilled than Malone and in my opinion AD might pass Malone as the 5th best power forward at the end of his career
@Nick jaramillo lol you must be new to basketball Karl Malone is barley top 5 for power forwards Barkley is close to being better than Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki whereas Malone is weaker and less skilled than Barkley and Anthony Davis, Malone in a few years won’t even be top 5 or maybe even 6 in power forwards
Barkley played with 2 of the greatest PGs of all time, Mo Cheeks, his first five seasons and Kevin Johnson for 4 seasons in Phoenix. Malone was more a product of Jerry Sloan's system. That is why I would take Barkley over Malone, but it is really close.
Def close, but Barkley was more than just a PF. He could go coast to coast and had a lot better ball handling skills. in their prime, Barkley was the better player, but Malone was better when they were in their 30s.
It's Malone by about 12,000 points. Malone kept getting better and improving his skillet and range and his passing, even after he played below the rim his numbers were constantly great. He developed a nice hook shot that is never discussed, he could shoot it with both hands too.
Late 80s Barkley was something to see. People forget that Chuck led the league in dunks 3 years in a row. Not Dominiqe, Not Jordan. He was also screwed out of the 1990 MVP. From about '87 to '94, Barkley was the second best basketball player in the world. We will never see another like him
Chuck was better in his prime in regards to efficiency, rebounding, explosiveness and overall ball skills, but I give it to Malone as far as having a productive longer career.
Peak vs Peak, I do agree Barkley was a better player. When Malone won his MVPs, they weren't exactly on their primes even though it actually speaks volume how great the player of their eras were when Michael Jordan and Karl Malone out of their absolute prime were still better than all of the other young guns. Since Malone won in 99 at age 35, with the exception of Nash (at 30 and 31), every MVPs have been under 30 years old.
another great video my brother. thank you very much. I would definitely agree with you about Barkley being a better player. he was always my favorite power forward during the time he played.
You nailed it. Malone better career, Barkley better player. Something you didn't mention was ball handling. Barkley was an amazing ball handler. He could go coast to coast.
At his best Charles was probably more dominant, but Malone was more consistent, played at an elite level for longer, was superior defensively, and ultimately had the better overall career.
If I were drafting one of them today I would take Malone. I like his size, conditioning and longevity. He was a better defender and their offences were too close to call.
Karl Malone was similar to Lebron James during his 1st stint in Cleveland. Only difference was LeBron was an exceptional playmaker and Karl Malone had a strong mid-range jumper.
I would agree based on one thing and that is understanding your weakness and either making it better or just stop attempting to do something you are not capable of and that is shooting 3s. Malone shot them so rarely because he knew he was not reliable at it. Barkley shot them consistently and he knew he was no good. If Barkley could have just accepted that he was not a 3 point shooter and drove to the hoop he would have likely been the better of the 2 in terms of scoring. The other consideration is the defense. Karl was better on D in an era when players actually played some defense.
you are only half right....Barkley started 4 of the 8 games while Malone started the other 4.....the only player who started all 8 games in 92 was Jordan
Haven't you considered that if it was not for Malone, maybe John Stockton would have less assists. I'd say that Malone is a better scorer and defender. Barkley is slightly better rebounder (especially on offence). My choice is Malone.
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Which of these guys were better in their prime?
NOTE: Malone made 3 trips to the Finals, not 2 like I said in the video. I think I subconsciously wiped the 2004 Finals from my memory as a Lakers fan... lol
chuck
Still waiting on that KG Vs TD
I think chuck but malone had a better overall career due to longevity
Chuck
In there prime chuck in general malone
Charles always felt more explosive. Karl always felt more consistent and methodical. I think I'd rather have a 93 Barkley over a 97 Malone, but I agree that Karl had a better career. His longevity is kind of insane.
Well said !
I think if you take the best few years of each Barkley is the more explosive and talented all-around player but as you said Malone had a much longer peak and career longevity.
@@henrywheeler8500 97 isn’t even best Malone ! Look at him in early 90a
the 1993 suns went 13-11 in the playoffs while the 1997 jazz went 13-7
from 1990 through 1993 the only year the jazz went far was 1992
One thing's for sure.. we know who's the better person 😬💀
LMAO
Karl Malone is sick, but is an all time great player
Karl Malone has an angelic voice with the body of a Greek god
@@wilsonmarks9180 neither were perfect but you can’t compare the 2. Karl is borderline evil
And he accidentally spit on a kid
Any dislikes from this video will be from Big ol San Antonio Women
Or little ones in the case of Malone 😬
@@camerondavidson2026 damn nice one
“ y’all women to overconfident, y’all can fit into those big draws”😂😂
San Antonio big o'l women smashing the dislike button while eating churros both hands and Phoenix fans at home disliking while enjoying their stale nachos w/ cold cheese
@@am0ykupalka259 and they all out of jalapeños they got pickles and banana peppers
Barkely's prime was better. Malone's prime was longer...pause
Barkley had better teammates too
@@melvynsngltn27 Debatebale... KJ in his best years had numbers comparable to Isiah and cp3
Malone was consistently great for longer than Sir Charles. Malone for his whole Jazz career was fantastic, not quite as good on the Lakers. Barkley was great on the Sixer, most of his time on the Suns, by the time he was on the rockets for several years, he just wasn't the same player.
Nah Malone had the better prime too
@The Ultimate put Karl Malone on those Suns teams or the early 76ers teams
Charles Barkley also was the MVP of the 1992 Dream Team the Greatest Dream Team of them all IMO that says a lot about him.
thats because Jordan let him and took a back seat. he didn't seem to mind.
They never had an official mvp of the team
@@heyglasses Jordan never took a backseat to any player. Charles Barkley was that Great!
@@come2morrow368 Im talking about the time at the 92 olympics in barcelona. In a practice match without cameras Jordan showed them all whos the boss which some of those players say was the greatest ever game of basketball. But against weaker opposition at those olympics Jordan allowed Barkley to dominate, I remember watching those games when i was a teen.
Barkley was mvp of Dream team. Should have been mvp in 91 but the tossed magic a last bone before the situation he had.. Barkley was a serious problem in the nba until he gave up after the 93 loss in finials. He still was good but no more hard push to be great imo
If Charles had a better PG like He'd shutter records ....if Malone had shooters he'd go far ...they both were victims of circumstances
He did have good PGs on his team a lot of the seasons in his career. Maurice Cheeks with the 76ers and Kevin Johnson with the Suns.
@@fusionn4316 yeah but imagine if he had someone like John Stockton, Isiah Thomas or Magic Johnson
@@Lalexander3324 Not everyone has a PG like that and still do good. Hakeem didn't and still won championships. The Lakers in the early 2000s didn't and still three-peated and so on.
Agreed Malone is a beast! 😤💪💪💪👶
Man A prime Kevin Johnson easily a top 5 PG in the 90s
Damn 90s ball will always hold a place in my heart ... thank you for the vid!
80s with Magic and Kareem and Worthy
I'm going with Malone. The height difference and better conditioning makes a difference. He can get you more points and was a better defender. Maybe having Stockton gave Karl more points, but maybe having Malone gave John more assists. It works both ways.
Your point of analysis is spot on, but i favor Barkley, because i feel it would have been easier for him to succeed playing along Stockton, than it would have been for Malone to play in Phila., with Cheeks for a short period, and the other sub par PG's that had the helm with the Sixers .. Remember Barkley at times led the break after securing the rebound. Barkley had guard instincts.. Malone could never have handled that responsibility.
Karl malone would never went to the finals like barkley did
If Stockton had Barkley as teammate, he would have a lot of assists as well
Talking about efficiency Barkley was 58% on 2pt %, that is huge
And yeas Barkley was a beast on rebounding
Karl Malone with John Stockton (best PG of all time) and a better team with a big margin;
25.0 ppg 10.1 rpg 3.6 apg 1.4 spg 0.8 bpg
Charles Barkley with trash teams;
21.1 ppg 11.7 rpg 3.9 apg 1.5 spg 0.8 bpg
Charles Barkley is the best Power Forward of all time. He had no rings because he had trash teams.
@@alp165 No he had no rings because when he was in his prime he faced Jordan, Pippen and Rodman alone. And yes he has trash teammates.
@@SCP-38I2 Of course. I agree with that too.
@@SCP-38I2 Charles Barkley is special. The player that we are talking about is averaging 11.7 rpg with 6'5 height. Legend.
@@alp165 Yeah i know right, he's an absolute beast
I just looked at Malone's statistics and I'm amazed of his longevity.
Aside from two seasons he played at least 80 of the seasons games. That's impressive.
Well, you know what they say? You're only as young as the woman you feel. .. oh
These people keep taunting Malone over personal matters that has nothing to do with the argument here between him and Barkley. It's only about basketball and save your shitty comments about something 40 years ago
that's seems to be breaking news here in other videos about him regarding these things.
How stupid can you get.
John Stockton had similar durability. He played 19 seasons, and in 17 of those he played every game. He only missed a total of 22 games during his entire career plaing in 1,504 out of a possible 1,5026 games.
I think that KG against Dirk would be a good one. Great vid like always Johnny!
*could *Jonny
Dirk
@@macewbee Imo is KG but it's very close
It would have to be KG. He's an overall better player than Dirk. Dirk obviously is better offensively but KG's rebounding and defense are way better, plus he was a great offensive scorer.
@@TheChosenMoose01 nope dirk,
1. He won a ring by by himself
2. His one legged fade away is unstopable
I would like to see Larry bird vs Kevin Durant
Larry Bird is greater for now. If KD can grab one or two more rings, he’s probably top 8
KD is better.
That’s definitely Larry Bird
@@benjaminan1183 larry bird a better trash talker, and kd a better all around, but not 3 point shooter
@@cj-um8gf 88 Bird (his best 3 pt shooting season): 3.1 3pas on 41.4%
13 KD: 4.1 3pas on 41.6%
Although I loved to watch Barkley play, my favorite was always Malone. He was built like a tank, and his work ethic was second to none. He started his career in mid 80s, played in a tough physical era, and retired when he was 40. Never for once I saw him out of shape. Barkley on the other hand was already in the twilight of his career when he joined Rockets. Also, people often mention the role of Stockton in Malone's career. But it is also true that because of the Mailman, John was piling up on those assists. I think Karl and John made each other better basketball players. They made pick-n-roll an art, and it's just a damn shame that they didn't win at least one championship together.
Facts
To your point, Malone is the only player to ever get a triple-double at the age of 40
I just love it when this dude gets to talk about Charles Barkley
I find it absurd how little Barkley is talked about. He is criminally underrated.
@@mqirs9425 Barkley was one of the greatest natural athletes in league history. According to Tim Grover, a better natural athlete than Jordan.
So glad I got my video request!
Hakeem
Hakeem wins. The '95 Finals alone are enough proof.
@@Zamppa86 That wasn't prime Shaq while that was prime Hakeem....I think it's pretty close...I think Shaq is greater but Hakeem is the better player.
@@Zamppa86 To be fair that was only Shaq's third year and besides Penny he was practically carrying the team. In general and all aspects Hakeem is the better center no doubt.
Shaq
“Because he shot so many damn 3 pointers” LMAO😂
Prime: Barkley. Career: Malone
Facts
12 year olds: Malone
@Briscoe17555 Not even close, Malone never had Chuck's skill set and a lot of his buckets came from being fed by first or second best point guard of all time. Chuck was at another level.
@Briscoe17555 kobe barerly averaged 10 ppg in that jazz playoff series why u saying "when the hell did Barkley ever sweep kobe and shaq?" As if kobe was any good that year lmao here is your 🤡 clown of the year award stupidest thing i've ever read & this dude even said that malone was better for his career so u mentioning chuck in houston is even dumber
90’s sports was the best IMO
Head-to-head between 1984-1994: Barkley averaged 23.4 points, 10.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists, and 1.9 steals per game on 54.7% shooting while Malone averaged 24.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 1.4 steals per game on 51.1% shooting.
From this we see that at Barkley’s own peak in their head-to-head matchups he was a more skilled all-around player in terms of having the ball in his hands and a more ferocious rebounder and efficient scorer than Malone. Malone’s better conditioning though led to him sustaining a much longer career peak than Chuck and he began to usually best him in their matchups after the 93-94 season, with Malone’s passing and playmaking continuing to improve during these mid-90s years as Barkley’s own individual dominance as a player was fading.
So from 1989-93 I take Chuck but by 95 onward it’s The Mailman by a country mile. If Chuck stayed under 250 he would’ve probably had a much more gradual drop off though nobody but Lebron matches Malone’s late-career consistency.
TLDR: Malone’s work ethic solidified his overall career peak as being more impressive in total, however pure ability-wise on the court Barkley was more dominant head-to-head during the time he was at his very best.
For sure having Stockton helped. Barkley had Kevin Johnson, but only for a short while.
not even close, kevin johnson isnt on stocktons level
I'd take KJ in his prime over Stockton's.
@@benjaminan1183 kj is so underrated, too bad injurys took apart
KJ was awesome player. I like him very muhc. But he was not the same level as Stockton.
@@muhammadrajput3502 Your mom is overrated.
These two made up a lot of my time as a child watching the NBA
Karl malone loves kids💀💀💀
@@upthereds1892 he sure does he is a Great man
Me too I'm the number one Karl Malone fán💪💪💪💪😤😤😤😤💯💯💯
@@belanadas4482 not not like that
@@belanadas4482 I was a huge Utah Jazz fan because Greg Ostertag was drafted as the center. I was also a huge KU Jayhawks fan.
Thank you ! I'll take "The Chuckster" anytime ! Also the best commentator !
Hey Johnny..thanks for this video...Sir Charles is my favourite player...was waiting for this video.
One of the most said phrase by commentators back then was: Stockton to Maloneee..... Stockton played a big role making Malone a scorer. Barkley... He was top scorer in Dream Team I, and Dream Team II. Imagine that.
He was inferior to the Jazz main man in all categories.Nobody takes the Dream team numbers seriously. We all know Jordan was the best out there.
@@ubeman401 Put Charles in Jazz and Malone in Philapelphia or Phenix that time. Or, switch Stockton with Maurice Cheeks (Phil) or Kevin Johnson (Phoe). What will happen? As I mentioned, Malone enjoyed easy buckets from Stockton's assist, yet Barkley's FG% is higher than Malaone.
Malone would have 5 scoring titles if he didn't play in the MJ era. Wow!
Yeah but that would be because Stockton is there.
@@SCP-38I2 well Stockton also piled those assists because of Malone.
@@jepoymeneses Yeah they wouldn't have gotten it without each other, they worked so well on the the Pick & Roll. They'd still do really good individually but I think that it won't be as good as they are together.
@@SCP-38I2 Barkley player with KJ and Maurice Cheeks
It's crazy that I ran Barkley's Suns with Stockton in the place of Johnson against Michael's '96 Bulls just two days before this.
On 2k? What was the result?
Yup. In a 7 game series, the Suns took it in 6. Barkley averaged 34 points, Stock averaged 12 assists
Barkley isnt on 2k tho
@@ablacadabla it's called a created player. Duh
As a Philly boy, Charles is my favorite baller. His first yr with the Suns was awesome, but he was at his very best when he was with the Sixers. He could really ball with the Sixers. I saw him get old right before my eyes in his third year with the Suns in the playoffs. I will def agree that at their best, Charles was the better player, while Malone had the better career.
I respect Malone, and I get It's close, but prime Barkley takes it for me every time.
are those facts or foolishness ?
definitely facts
Fast and fury Charles Barkley won easily.
Wrong
@@charlesberry4452 your opinion
@@Skybound. not really, it a fact
Malone was a much more well rounded player. Making NBA 1st all defensive team while also contending for scoring titles is insane. Also having as long and consistent careers as Malone and Stockton had is no coincidence. It takes so much work on and off the court year after year especially in-between NBA seasons. It’s such an undervalued trait when comparing players like this.
No way
Hey jonny i think you made a mistake when you said that malone made 2 trips to the finals, he actually made another one in 2004, when the lakers lost to the pistons..
Great Vid btw!
Yes I did!! Thank you. I think I subconsciously wiped that Finals from my memory as a Lakers fan... lol
@@jonnyarnett As a lakers fan, I can see why, we didnt think that the pistons could beat us.
@@jonnyarnett btw, are you doing this series era wise, or in a random order?
Just kinda randomly I guess. I'm trying to do the ones people are requesting the most. I'm getting a lot of Center requests, like Shaq and Hakeem, or Shaq and Wilt, etc. I might do something like that next.
@@jonnyarnett Super excited for the next vid bro! ik that youve made videos on each of those legends, so itll be interesting to see how they compare vs each other. Especially Hakeem Vs Shaq.
I all ways thought Charles Barkley was a small forward that played like a power forward. Small forwards use to go up to 6.7 height. You may label him as a badazz two guard and not be wrong.
Barkley was a beast, an amazing player at just 193cm (that is crazy!!!!!!!)
1:95 mt so 6´4 and 5/8 ft
Sir Charles is my favorite player.
You forgot to mention he was the Dream Teams leading scorer in ‘92 and I believe in ‘96 as well.
Charles numbers in the original Dream Team are even better than Jordan's. Does it mean he's better than His Airness? Of course not.
Because it's not supposed to be taken seriously like you fools do.
Love both of these guys. Both super dominant as hell. I have to say Karl should win this one. You would honestly take him everyday of the week and twice on Sunday if you had the opportunity.
Definitely rolling with the Chuckster! 👏🏾👏🏾
Great video. My knee-jerk reaction when you started this series was skepticism, because these kinds of bar conversations always end in pointless sniping. But of course, you brought a ton of research and effort and make videos as good as always. Thanks!
My only issue with this video isn't even about Barkley or Malone. You call Stockton, "*one of* the greatest facilitators of all time" . . . and that's an insult to Stockton, because no one else is even close to him. Magic and IT were amazing, and probably better overall players, but as *facilitators* alone, it's not close ;)
I got Charles. Both awesome. 2 best 4s of their time.
They’ll both be remembered best as 2 of the greatest ringless players to ever live
You left out Karl Malone's greatest weapon: Those elbows.
Real talk...I remember when he cut Zeek in the first half of a game, he went to the locker room and got stitches and came back out and finished the game like g.
Who can forget David Robinsón falling flat on his face after an elbow from Malone. This dude could have killed some one. Good times!
@@rafalizola 40 Stiches to Isiah Thomas (couldn't have happened to a nicer guy) was definitely his most brutal, but that KO on Robinson was definitely a strong Number 2.
I remember when Malone knocked out the Suns PG "Socks" Elliott Perry (because he was one of the few to wear knee high socks during the 90's in his NBA career, also remember Walt Williams too) with those elbows.
I remember the Rodman vs Malone battles.
I'd take either.Both were awesome.Just a reminder that the Mailman is the 2nd leading scorer of all time in NBA history to this date.Thats over MJ,the great Kobe and the late great Wilt.
I love Barkley and they keep saying he was actually shorter but when I see pictures of him next to Jordan they appear to be the same height. I also love Malone. But Stockton was my favorite.
Barkley was shorter he was listed at 6 feet 7 he was 6 feet 4 tops
@@bronxbully6261 yeah I hear people saying that but I believe he said he was/is 6’6” and in pictures next to Jordan they seem the same height. I think the bigger issue or advantage is wingspan. If you are a crocodile 7 footer with a 7’ wingspan you have no real advantage over a guy 6’9” with 7’5” wingspan.
@@wakawaka1976 you right bro iverson was lil but his hands and arms was like a certain animal iam not gone mention because I dont want people to think iam racist but you know the animal billy packer almost got fired for calling him that animal
Michael Jordan was really like 6'5, a lot of NBA Players add 1 to 3 inches on their height, like somebody told they saw Rick Fox in person and he said he more like 6'4 than his actual 6'7 NBA height.
@@RaiderGannon12 kobe Bryant was only 6 feet 4 too a lot of people dont know that
Karl Malone is a monster!! 💀
It’s got to be Malone. Barkley was more versatile with his ball-handling ability, but Malone was the better defender and was a more disciplined basketball player. Barkley’s biggest weakness was that he wasn’t a good 3-point shooter but he had a habit of jacking them up. And again, you can’t ignore the defensive side, basketball is equally a two-way game. One guy made several All-Defensive teams and one guy didn’t make any.
Yes, I finally had a suggestion made into video and it's by the best basketball RUclipsr out there! Keep it up Jonny, I genuinely get excited whenever you bring out a new video.
I think it’s without a doubt The Round Mound of Rebound. But I’ve been wrong before
Barkley was undoubtedly the more talented player. His power, dexterity and footwork in the low post was just uncanny. He could shoot and handle the ball. But... I don't think he ever became the player he could have been. If he had been as committed to conditioning like Karl Malone he could have rivalled Jordan.
*Barkley, for just the fact he was really only 6'4 and dominating the entire court. Especially his inside game, in which he backed down "any player, including Karl Malone. Skill of difficulty level, and as the author showed, "his efficiency" is what gives the nod to Barkley. Also another key realty. Malone had "The Great" John Stockton feeding him his entire career!!! Barkley didn't!!!*
Never was quite sure about where I land between these two. So this video was perfect for me! Thanks for another great video!
Finally been waiting for the update ! Great vid Johhny your the goat
I take Karl over Barkley due to his better defense and scoring. I do though understand that Barkley’s efficiency and rebounding give him a advantages but the difference in efficiency and rebounding is not enough of a difference to drown out the difference of Karl’s scoring and defense.
I’m not gonna lie, I prefer Malone
Me too. He was/is my all time favorite PF. But Barkley was also exciting to watch.
thanks for your honesty
You're absolutely right Jonny! Karl did benefit from playing with Stockton. Barkley was the better rebounder, the better ball handler, the better passer. And even though the numbers don't show it. Barkley was a better and more diverse scorer.
No. Barkley scorer more in transition. Meanwhile Malone was more of a low post threat that could shoot better. Malone was the better iso scorer. And defensively Malone is a lot better and Malone was no slouch on the boards either he is 7th all time in rebounds and 2nd in points.
@@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249 In his Philadelphia year, Barkley scored a lot in Transition. In Phoenix and Houston, Barkley main scoring place was in the post with his back to the basket. As well as taking and making his free throws. Unlike Malone.
Overall Karl was much better than Charles. It is what it is. Just swallowed it.
@@ubeman401 He's not lol, Charles did better with what he had than Malone with Stockton, even in the 92 Dream Team Practice Sessions Malone got Cooked by Charles.
The fact that Charles was only a "Transition Threat" and Malone's a better shooter and post threat is purely false, there's a reason why the Charles Barkley Rule was made, he was such a strong ass threat down in the paint and was practically unguardible, could move people like Shaq, Malone himself and even Rodman back.
Barkley *thought* he was a clutch 3-point threat, i wonder why none of his coaches instructed him not to hurl up treys at 29% per
Sir Charles, no question. Give him 13 years of nonstop Stockton dishes in the paint like Mailman got and Wilt would have been sweating at the end.
like it was mentioned in the vid, having stockton was HUGE.... BUT: Utah didn't have anyone else... they were decent team, but not great besides stock and malone. Basically you knew to guard Malone or even double team malone the entire game. If I had to put a team together and in the end could only pick Barkley or Malone... no way I'm not picking Karl Malone.
@@urwholefamilydied I respectfully disagree. You can’t separate the fact that Stock enters most GOAT point guard conversations in the first ten seconds. Who’s better all time? The Logo, Pistol Pete, maybe Magic? I love the Glove but I’d be flat out lying if I said Payton was better than Stockton. As for them being alone on the Jazz... Jeff Hornacek? Bryon Russell? Raja Bell? Even the much maligned Greg Ostertag was a straight beast on defense. They were the second best team in the league over the 1990s, better than the Spurs, the Lake show, and my Sonics. Only the Bulls were better during their run. It boggles the mind that they didn’t win banners. All Sloan really needed Mailman to do in his scheme was score.
I always felt that if Malone kicked it out to those capable wing guys a little more often instead of always crashing into traffic to whine for fouls, there’d probably be a banner or two in the Salt Palace rafters. To be fair, though, if I had Malone’s build and shot about 90% from the charity stripe, I’d be tempted to pad my stats by playing for fouls, too.
@@leebrunk4390 very succinct reply... I'm not even a huge sports guy... but I always defend the Jazz because I was born in Utah (moved to michigan) and always followed them. I was heartbroken when they didn't defeat the bulls. So yeah.. a Jazz fan trying to make excuses. Utah had a great team in the mid/late 90's. I can't argue that (although I embarrassingly tried to). They had the misfortune of being at their best in Jordan's prime. And stock didn't play great that series. Oh well. Just hate when Stock and Malone are sort of put aside as no-ring-wearing-mormon-land-dorky-short-shorts-don't deserve to be in the top 5-morman again-second rate-no excuse for a... blah blah blah. No respect for two of the greats. some respect.
Look at Charles on those fast breaks in Philly, grabbing the rebound and going coast to coast with a dunk epic.
Even though it’s really close I feel Charles Barkley is the better player
Me too 💯 Its Sir Charles if u ask me 💯💯
This comparison sucks because of Stockton. On paper and on video Malone is better. I just love Barkley so much tho and he's more impressive given his versatility and size. Plus no Stockton.
@Nick jaramillo that’s funny Karl Malone isn’t even better than Dirk and KG the list goes Tim Duncan, Dirk, KG, Barkley then Malone. Malone is really close to beating Barkley but Barkley is just more skilled than Malone and in my opinion AD might pass Malone as the 5th best power forward at the end of his career
@Nick jaramillo lol you must be new to basketball Karl Malone is barley top 5 for power forwards Barkley is close to being better than Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki whereas Malone is weaker and less skilled than Barkley and Anthony Davis, Malone in a few years won’t even be top 5 or maybe even 6 in power forwards
@Nick jaramillo and Karl Malone wouldn’t be even considered for top 5 right now if it wasn’t for Stockton
Barkley played with 2 of the greatest PGs of all time, Mo Cheeks, his first five seasons and Kevin Johnson for 4 seasons in Phoenix. Malone was more a product of Jerry Sloan's system. That is why I would take Barkley over Malone, but it is really close.
Def close, but Barkley was more than just a PF. He could go coast to coast and had a lot better ball handling skills. in their prime, Barkley was the better player, but Malone was better when they were in their 30s.
Props for shouting out K.J
He gets lost in the sauce.
K.J was nice as hell.
It's Malone by about 12,000 points. Malone kept getting better and improving his skillet and range and his passing, even after he played below the rim his numbers were constantly great. He developed a nice hook shot that is never discussed, he could shoot it with both hands too.
He played with one of the best point guards of all time. Barkley didn’t nearly have the service for as long.
Ideas KG vs Duncan. Iverson vs Wade. Allen vs Miller. Deron vs Paul. And Moses Malone vs Hakeem
If you add the eye test, Barkley win that more easily. Watching him play was breathtaking, was unique.
Barkley was an uncontrolled beast and nothing breathtaking there. Malone was more of a calculating beast.
Where is Alex cruso vs lavar ball
You gotta save the best for last. Also I'll need to contact youtube ahead of time, and give them a heads up that this one might break the internet.
Before I watch this, I think the mailman is the better player
In All my years growing up I’ve never heard anyone wanting/impersonating to be like Malone on the playground, but I’ve definitely heard Barkley.
Funnily enough the playground is where Malone likes to go to pick up girls
Leconte exactly i heard people calling themselves Barkley all the time.
I love this series. Keep em coming. Your logic is undeniable and will end alot of arguments
Late 80s Barkley was something to see. People forget that Chuck led the league in dunks 3 years in a row. Not Dominiqe, Not Jordan. He was also screwed out of the 1990 MVP. From about '87 to '94, Barkley was the second best basketball player in the world. We will never see another like him
Malone maybe Barkley was a better player when at his best but overall Malone has more accomplishments so there for I give it to him
Gotta be the Mailman, as much as I love Chuck.
Chuck was better in his prime in regards to efficiency, rebounding, explosiveness and overall ball skills, but I give it to Malone as far as having a productive longer career.
BARKLEY AND MALONE ARE TWO GREAT PLAYERS.
IT IS SO VERY DIFFICULT TO COMPARE THEM.
James Harden said: What if I take as many 3-Point shots is Charles Barkley.... BUT MAKE MOST OF THEM.
Peak vs Peak, I do agree Barkley was a better player.
When Malone won his MVPs, they weren't exactly on their primes even though it actually speaks volume how great the player of their eras were when Michael Jordan and Karl Malone out of their absolute prime were still better than all of the other young guns.
Since Malone won in 99 at age 35, with the exception of Nash (at 30 and 31), every MVPs have been under 30 years old.
This was great! Can we get Dirk vs KG next?
Peak goes to Barkley. Longevity goes to Malone
Dirk vs Garnett
You said it. "Malone had a better career, Barkley was the better player."
I love these comparison's, keep them coming.
another great video my brother. thank you very much. I would definitely agree with you about Barkley being a better player. he was always my favorite power forward during the time he played.
I agree with the barkley decision. I also know you did individual videos on these guys but could you compare jerry west and oscar robertson
Good pick, I definitely think Barkley beats out Malone. Prime > Longevity
Personally, I value longevity, but I guess it’s really just down to opinion.
And Bron has both lol
@@roshanjoseph1360 MJ still the GOAT
@@Xavier-wu9lx lol you're blind to reality
@@roshanjoseph1360 MJ accomplished more than LeBron has in less time
You nailed it.
Malone better career, Barkley better player.
Something you didn't mention was ball handling. Barkley was an amazing ball handler. He could go coast to coast.
Splitting hairs here, I would personally take Malone, but hey! Also, It is mindblowing how underrated John Stockton, second best PG ever. Great video
During the Dream Team’s run in 1992 Barkley was, by far, the more dominant player. Karl was consistent but not great.
I would say Karl Malone slightly
Remember the mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays
@@Sf75178 yh but Second in scoring 🤦🏾♂️😂
@@FranklinMutibwa um ok. You obviously don't get the reference
It's debatable but also kind of obvious. It's just hard to give Malone the W when we love Barkley so much more lol
People just didn’t like Malone, clearly the better player
Barkley all day!!! Chuck was the man! Respect to the Mailman tho!
Karl Malonee was the better shooter and more efficent scorer
@@reuelshiloh6418 but not a better power forward
At his best Charles was probably more dominant, but Malone was more consistent, played at an elite level for longer, was superior defensively, and ultimately had the better overall career.
If I were drafting one of them today I would take Malone. I like his size, conditioning and longevity. He was a better defender and their offences were too close to call.
Here is a video idea John Stockton vs Chris Paul
Bballbreakdown did a vid on this I believe
How about Magic Johnson vs Larry Bird.
Most people lean towards Magic but Bird was hella skilled
I like that option
Malone had 3 trips to the finals, 2 with the Jazz (97,98) and 1 with the Lakers (04)
He never had a trip to jail unfortunately.
@@PygmaApril unfortunately
Kinda doesn't count
@@PygmaApril you know Chuck has had multiple DUIs right?
I'm loving this series
Also first
I am about to watch this...you've been right on 90% of your videos...you better have Barkley as all time. Forgot Duncan.
Karl Malone was similar to Lebron James during his 1st stint in Cleveland. Only difference was LeBron was an exceptional playmaker and Karl Malone had a strong mid-range jumper.
It’s funny that you picked Barkley because watching this video convinced me that Malone was the better player 😂
Exactly. Malone was a better player.
I would agree based on one thing and that is understanding your weakness and either making it better or just stop attempting to do something you are not capable of and that is shooting 3s. Malone shot them so rarely because he knew he was not reliable at it. Barkley shot them consistently and he knew he was no good. If Barkley could have just accepted that he was not a 3 point shooter and drove to the hoop he would have likely been the better of the 2 in terms of scoring. The other consideration is the defense. Karl was better on D in an era when players actually played some defense.
@@camronglenn3502 💯
90's still best time in NBA history.
Said nobody, ever.
You should do Allen Iverson and Isaiah Thomas Detroit.
I'll have to go with Karl Malone on this one. He put up better numbers offensive, he was on more all defensive teams and he had better longevity.
"I certainly won't fault you if you disagree with my conclusion."
~ Jonny Arnett sharing the key to world harmony.
It’s amazing how some people understand how awful the world would be if everyone agreed with them
I thought Malone made it to the finals 3 times? With Utah and LA in 04 also I agree championship chuck is the better player in my opinion
You’re right. He did make the finals 3 times
Malone was injured in 04 finals I think he meant finals they played in..
@@syzzuryp7897 He played and started 4 of the 5 games lol.
@AC Voss lol They count.
Malone had one of the best point guards of all time, that's how he made it.
Barkley is the starting power forward on the dream team. Karl malone rides the bench. Enough said!
you are only half right....Barkley started 4 of the 8 games while Malone started the other 4.....the only player who started all 8 games in 92 was Jordan
Thank you
Chuck Daly preferred to play Malone with Stocton for chemistry reasons.
I would like to see Allen Iverson vs Dwyane Wade
I'm Taking Wade
I saw Barkley play against the Kings when I was a teen and he absolutely dominated.
Haven't you considered that if it was not for Malone, maybe John Stockton would have less assists.
I'd say that Malone is a better scorer and defender. Barkley is slightly better rebounder (especially on offence).
My choice is Malone.