Transients are key to a great mix. I'm a music producer and using transients in a smart way can really make the drums cut through the mix without muddiness.
Thanks for this explanation! After spending two months getting my "standard" kit worked out, I finally starting building my variations for different song styles. This tool should help me fine tune things even better!
Hi Luke, I bought the originals studio pack and it is awesome! I think you've squeezed everything possible out of the TD-17 module between your expertise with all the settings and the beautiful sounding samples.
Que gran eres un sabio de las baterías electrónica, tengo mucha dificultad para encontrar un buen sonido del hh14 digital roland td27kv2, si es tan amable podría pasarme alguna configuración adecuada? Un saludo y muchas gracias Maestro
Brilliant video 👍 I think Roland need to employ your services in the future, along side Craig and Michael.. Won't be long and I'm sure there will be another module from Roland for you to tinker with, sure the future is full usb kits with usb HH. They are half way there. :)
Thanks for the kind words! Definitely interested to see what the next module might hold, though I think my wallet is happy to take a break for a while longer 😅
Great video, will have a play with the transients on my TD-27, was wondering how to reduce the decay on the stock splash (12" I think) cymbals when you dial down the size to 4 or 6", it just sounds so wrong with a loooong decay! Toms and snare may get some treatment too, thanks Luke ;-)
So would it be safe to say once you’ve selected your drums heads and tuning if you’re wanting to increase maybe attack or tone a little more you should maybe adjust the transient before you go to EQ or effect or should you do transit after you mess with EQ and effect if they’re still not where you want the sound to be thank you
Thank you for watching and for the kind words! I did a video a little while ago about my Yamaha "hi hats" - ruclips.net/video/WP8isQvO0Go/видео.html But the reason I use it is that I wanted a 13" cymbal for my hi-hats, they were cheaper than Roland so thought I'd try one out and stuck with it!
Thanks John! I'm not sure if I'm familiar with a "curve" function, unless you mean the velocity curves in the trigger settings? If you do mean that, no - they're very different things. The velocity curves are all about trigger performance and how the velocities "scale" with your playing. If you meant something else, apologies!
Great videos. I have just factory reset my TD-30 to give it another shot before I decide whether to keep it or sell it. I find I use it as a tool for learning and rehearsing but not so much playing it for joy of playing. Question though... I have always found that the sounds and response of the pads are not as immediate as my acoustic kit. This is obvious because acoustic vs electric but it's too much for me. Unfortunately my TD-30 does not have the transient designer function. Would the scan time function be somewhat equivalent to this? (Not the hold/release settings but the attack) Even a similar result in a roundabout way could be all that I need. Cheers
Hi Jonathan. Sorry for the long delay, I didn't see this comment back when you posted it. Unfortunately, the scan time and these transient settings are completely different things. Changing the scan time can affect the speed at which the sounds will trigger, but you can only go so low with it before it will give you bad trigger response (due to it not having enough time to properly analyse the wave). The closest function to the Transient settings that your TD-30 will have is Compression. If you set a slightly slower attack time on the compressor (such as 14 - 20ms) and then adjust the threshold and ratio to taste, this will let the transient of the sound through the compressor before it starts reducing the volume of the sound which, in turn, increases the attack of the transient compared to the now-compressed tail of the sound. It's a bit more of a balancing act between settings and you might need to adjust the output gain on the compressor to compensate for any volume changes caused by the compression, but that might be the best place to look if the "immediacy" of the sounds you're looking for is purely sonic (as opposed to being due to the triggering itself). I hope that helps.
Really enjoy your videos! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. I would have a question if I may. I recently bought the TD-27. I have a problem recording MIDI which I didn't have with mu old DTX900. I'm a little dated in my laptop - still on Windows 7.... My DAW is Cakewalk by bandlab and I mostly use MT-power drumkit for recording. Cakewalk recognizes theTD-27 and it triggers well except for the hi-hat. It does not recognize stick hits. I understand that there is no driver available for Windows 7. Basically, is Windows 7 the culprit? Thanks and keep up the good work.
Thank you! To be honest, I'm not sure due to not using any othe components you are (I don't use Cakewalk, I'm on Windows 8.1 at the workshop). It does seem weird that it would only be certain aspects that don't work on your setup though - if it was the OS, I would imagine it wouldn't work at all. The driver only specifically deals with the audio/interface function of the module though - the MIDI should work fine on any computer that can accept "class compliant" MIDI devices, which your machine should. It sounds more like a MIDI note or channel issue to me, but it's difficult to say without using it myself. I'd have a look over the MIDI note assignments for note numbers on your module (can't remember the exact buttons off the top of my head but you should be able to find it in the manual) and see if it corresponds to the same MIDI notes your DAW/software is expecting. Other than that, I'm not 100% sure.
Thanks for info on the tweaking of the module. It's really informative. I've the Td30kv for years, and till today still stuggling tweaking those eq and compression knobs to find my preference. Your info on the attack and release give quite some reference. I like my setting to be be boomy, on the ambience, I normally like the Rock Club, roim size huge (80)concrete wall. The mic setting is low which gives good bottom for the overall sound. This is particularly good for kick. Sound out from the headphone (roland rh-300v) is great. But the PA just not as punchy. I'm using and old yamaha emx2000 and spv1150 (? Not really sure about the model). Still wondering whether the insufficien power is due to my setting or the pa is too old. Pls advise. Thank you
You're welcome, glad there was some useful info in here for you. I can't really say much about your PA/power situation as I'm not familiar with those speakers and don't have experience with a TD-30 module either. I do have an EQ video already up on the channel and I will be doing future videos on compression and ambience, so hopefully they'll help when they are released.
Hi I have the Roland TM2, and I would love to use it with my Roland Um-one mk2 usb midi interface. so I can use Abbey Road Drummer Collection, I have seen a German video of a guy who does it with NI Kontakt player. any of you that have tried it?
Not the kits, no. They only work with the module they were designed for and I don't own a TM-6 PRO to develop for. The sample packs will work (The eDW Snare eLements and Kick eLements). These are quite different though and are designed to be layered with existing electronic or acoustic sounds to "boost" their character.
Unfortunately the TD-07 has no way of loading or sharing kits (no SD card slot or USB transfer ability for settings), so it wasn't possible to make any for the store while I had it.
I'm sure this video is helpful for people. but Roland should have amazingly realistic sounding drum sets right out of the box with no adjustments needed. there is no excuse for Roland drums not sounding as good as superior drummer. or other electronic drum makers. especial with the price they get for there upper line kits.
Transients are key to a great mix. I'm a music producer and using transients in a smart way can really make the drums cut through the mix without muddiness.
Agreed!
Good stuff, I never really messed with this setting. Thanks for the info
Thanks dude!
Two legends communicate!!
Holy shit dude. I just bought the “Famous 2” pack for TD-27 and loaded the kits. You’re a genius! These sounds are amazing!
Wow, thank you so much! Glad you're enjoying them!
Another great video. Just now realizing how much I can improve the sounds of my cymbals in kits which were ignored for the most part!
Awesome Luke, I just got a TD-27 and hadn't even explored this yet because I didn't know what I was doing... until now. :)
I really enjoy your videos and drumming!
@@johndef5075 thanks!
Thanks! Nice one, hope you enjoy the 27 module and look forward to seeing your videos using it!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks Luke, loving it so far!
Thanks for this explanation! After spending two months getting my "standard" kit worked out, I finally starting building my variations for different song styles. This tool should help me fine tune things even better!
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Transient for me one of the most important features! Well done Luke.
Thanks Bob! I agree - it's really powerful once you know how to use it!
No one has ever explained that so well. Brilliant Luke. Roland serious need to hire you!
Thank you! 🙏
Great info Luke. Always wondered what the Transient setting is on my TD-50. Now I know and how to apply it.
Happy to help, glad you find it useful! Thanks!
Thanks a bunch, this is great! Can't wait until the compression vid comes out.
I need to get back into this series! That one needs to be the next one, for sure.
Very informative stuff. My TD27 Module is being (fingers crossed) delivered tomorrow so I can’t wait to start diving into these settings 👌🏻
Thank you! Awesome, hope you enjoy it!
You Are awesome! I’ve been tweaking my tm6 pro since I first saw you! It sounds sooo much better! ❤️🥁🔥THANK YOU!
Thank you for watching! Glad the videos have helped.
Fantastic breakdown, thanks brother!🤙🏽
Hi Luke, I bought the originals studio pack and it is awesome! I think you've squeezed everything possible out of the TD-17 module between your expertise with all the settings and the beautiful sounding samples.
Thank you so much for giving them a try and for the kind words! I'm really glad you're enjoying them!
Que gran eres un sabio de las baterías electrónica, tengo mucha dificultad para encontrar un buen sonido del hh14 digital roland td27kv2, si es tan amable podría pasarme alguna configuración adecuada? Un saludo y muchas gracias Maestro
Brilliant video 👍 I think Roland need to employ your services in the future, along side Craig and Michael.. Won't be long and I'm sure there will be another module from Roland for you to tinker with, sure the future is full usb kits with usb HH. They are half way there. :)
Thanks for the kind words! Definitely interested to see what the next module might hold, though I think my wallet is happy to take a break for a while longer 😅
How would I create a gated reverb snare on my TD27 module, to sound like the 80's snare's or do you sell a kit with that sound in it - thanks
Great video, will have a play with the transients on my TD-27, was wondering how to reduce the decay on the stock splash (12" I think) cymbals when you dial down the size to 4 or 6", it just sounds so wrong with a loooong decay! Toms and snare may get some treatment too, thanks Luke ;-)
Super helpful man, thank you so much!
Thank you for watching!
So would it be safe to say once you’ve selected your drums heads and tuning if you’re wanting to increase maybe attack or tone a little more you should maybe adjust the transient before you go to EQ or effect or should you do transit after you mess with EQ and effect if they’re still not where you want the sound to be thank you
I cannot thank you enough for putting out these videos. Your stuff is thorough and your kits always sound great! Why do you use a Yamaha hi hat?
Thank you for watching and for the kind words! I did a video a little while ago about my Yamaha "hi hats" -
ruclips.net/video/WP8isQvO0Go/видео.html
But the reason I use it is that I wanted a 13" cymbal for my hi-hats, they were cheaper than Roland so thought I'd try one out and stuck with it!
Your explanations are easy to understand. Are these related to the Curve functions in older modules in any way?
Thanks John! I'm not sure if I'm familiar with a "curve" function, unless you mean the velocity curves in the trigger settings? If you do mean that, no - they're very different things. The velocity curves are all about trigger performance and how the velocities "scale" with your playing. If you meant something else, apologies!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks thats what I meant. Velocity curve.
Thanks, this was very useful.
Thanks for watching, glad you found it helpful!
Great videos. I have just factory reset my TD-30 to give it another shot before I decide whether to keep it or sell it. I find I use it as a tool for learning and rehearsing but not so much playing it for joy of playing.
Question though... I have always found that the sounds and response of the pads are not as immediate as my acoustic kit. This is obvious because acoustic vs electric but it's too much for me. Unfortunately my TD-30 does not have the transient designer function. Would the scan time function be somewhat equivalent to this? (Not the hold/release settings but the attack) Even a similar result in a roundabout way could be all that I need. Cheers
Hi Jonathan. Sorry for the long delay, I didn't see this comment back when you posted it. Unfortunately, the scan time and these transient settings are completely different things. Changing the scan time can affect the speed at which the sounds will trigger, but you can only go so low with it before it will give you bad trigger response (due to it not having enough time to properly analyse the wave).
The closest function to the Transient settings that your TD-30 will have is Compression. If you set a slightly slower attack time on the compressor (such as 14 - 20ms) and then adjust the threshold and ratio to taste, this will let the transient of the sound through the compressor before it starts reducing the volume of the sound which, in turn, increases the attack of the transient compared to the now-compressed tail of the sound. It's a bit more of a balancing act between settings and you might need to adjust the output gain on the compressor to compensate for any volume changes caused by the compression, but that might be the best place to look if the "immediacy" of the sounds you're looking for is purely sonic (as opposed to being due to the triggering itself). I hope that helps.
Really enjoy your videos! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. I would have a question if I may. I recently bought the TD-27. I have a problem recording MIDI which I didn't have with mu old DTX900. I'm a little dated in my laptop - still on Windows 7.... My DAW is Cakewalk by bandlab and I mostly use MT-power drumkit for recording. Cakewalk recognizes theTD-27 and it triggers well except for the hi-hat. It does not recognize stick hits. I understand that there is no driver available for Windows 7. Basically, is Windows 7 the culprit? Thanks and keep up the good work.
Thank you! To be honest, I'm not sure due to not using any othe components you are (I don't use Cakewalk, I'm on Windows 8.1 at the workshop). It does seem weird that it would only be certain aspects that don't work on your setup though - if it was the OS, I would imagine it wouldn't work at all. The driver only specifically deals with the audio/interface function of the module though - the MIDI should work fine on any computer that can accept "class compliant" MIDI devices, which your machine should. It sounds more like a MIDI note or channel issue to me, but it's difficult to say without using it myself.
I'd have a look over the MIDI note assignments for note numbers on your module (can't remember the exact buttons off the top of my head but you should be able to find it in the manual) and see if it corresponds to the same MIDI notes your DAW/software is expecting. Other than that, I'm not 100% sure.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks for your answer. I'll focus on your suggestion of Midi notes channels. Have a great day
Thanks for info on the tweaking of the module. It's really informative. I've the Td30kv for years, and till today still stuggling tweaking those eq and compression knobs to find my preference. Your info on the attack and release give quite some reference. I like my setting to be be boomy, on the ambience, I normally like the Rock Club, roim size huge (80)concrete wall. The mic setting is low which gives good bottom for the overall sound. This is particularly good for kick. Sound out from the headphone (roland rh-300v) is great. But the PA just not as punchy. I'm using and old yamaha emx2000 and spv1150 (? Not really sure about the model). Still wondering whether the insufficien power is due to my setting or the pa is too old. Pls advise. Thank you
You're welcome, glad there was some useful info in here for you. I can't really say much about your PA/power situation as I'm not familiar with those speakers and don't have experience with a TD-30 module either. I do have an EQ video already up on the channel and I will be doing future videos on compression and ambience, so hopefully they'll help when they are released.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I understand exactly. Thanks a lot for your reply. Looking forward to your next video. Cheers
I have a question about a Roland td 1KV drum system, my snar is weaker than all the other instruments .. is there an option to increase it?
How to you increase the release on the TD27? There’s only a “release depth” section on the “transient” menu
It's the same setting, it was just renamed in a later version!
Hi
I have the Roland TM2, and I would love to use it with my Roland Um-one mk2 usb midi interface. so I can use Abbey Road Drummer Collection, I have seen a German video of a guy who does it with NI Kontakt player. any of you that have tried it?
Can your kits on the website work with the TM6Pro?
Not the kits, no. They only work with the module they were designed for and I don't own a TM-6 PRO to develop for. The sample packs will work (The eDW Snare eLements and Kick eLements). These are quite different though and are designed to be layered with existing electronic or acoustic sounds to "boost" their character.
Hello, was wondering if you all have made any kits for the TD07?
Unfortunately the TD-07 has no way of loading or sharing kits (no SD card slot or USB transfer ability for settings), so it wasn't possible to make any for the store while I had it.
I can’t get my TDS 27 to sound anything like your Drums. My snare does not have that cool ringy sound like yours does, like a real snare drum!
I'm sure this video is helpful for people. but Roland should have amazingly realistic sounding drum sets right out of the box with no adjustments needed. there is no excuse for Roland drums not sounding as good as superior drummer. or other electronic drum makers. especial with the price they get for there upper line kits.
I feel like I spend more time messing around with the sounds and less time playing, allthewhile becoming earblinded.