Nice! ABE! Finally...Swearing in Roland Videos haha...also UK Wet Booth thanks to the amazing Chris Whitten and Peter Henderson. Recorded at the incredible Real World Studios UK
This is going to change the necessity for us "at-home" studio owners to have to re-record drums at a "bigger" studio. Recording drums is one of the hardest things about recording. Things are at the point now where you only have to use mics for vocals, horns and strings (if you use strings).
If that is what you do then it is overkill and a very expensive one at that. A TD27 is all you need and will trigger all the DW soundworks if you want, although you will never get it to trigger the VH14 correctly. I tried it along with upgrading to the 50X that went back as it was no better than a TD27 with 27 separate outputs into Cubase. Yes it did have some different sample drums, that in my opinion the toms did not sound better than the birch toms in the TD27, they were not in to 50x that had less kits???
I record drum tracks from my home studio with Studio One 4 Pro, and I multitrack output all of the tracks as if it were a traditional setup,with bleed,etc… I use various drum libraries and stack them to get unique and custom sounds. Very cost effective for clients. I only charge $50 per song, I play all the parts live in 1 take on my edit. I’ve been a drummer for 30 years now, and no one can tell the difference. Granted it does sound cleaner. 😊
Like a kid at Christmas who cannot wait to open a present, I'm certain you could not wait to write that comment. I bet you even checked to see if you were the first to write it.
@roland Boss had a headphones amp for guitar that would use the input area as if that's where the amp was. If you turned your head it would sound like it would if you turned head with an amp in the room. Do that for your edrums.
Roland. Can I call you Roland? How about this? How about you let people create "Kits" and let them post them online for others to download? You could even have a subscription service for people to be able to access them., or lets say access more than a couple a month.
in Soundworks that comes with it yes 18 layers x 8 nuaces, 5 mic channels per drum, IR reverb etc in Soundworks and multilayer with all the nuances in the V71 and combos of both. You can load multilayered DW kits directly into the module via Wifi and Sdcard too
@@tcellen2136 yeah but is that saying you can do multiple layer of self made samples not a mix of just on board samples to get different velocities if you wanted to create your own inboard snare including with round Robbins and things like that
Toms, at last for a Roland module, sound good. But, from what I read in the manual, still no method of controlling anything other than loudness of user samples under the stick. Seriously? To be able to control the brightness of the sample (filtering by velocity) under the stick is relatively simple coding…and yet more than three decades after it started to appear in keyboard workstations, it’s still not in a Roland drum module. If drum modules moved as fast as keyboard technology, these features would have been in the TD-30 module.
Can't help but comment on the sounds. There are truly better sounding e-kiys out there. For that type of money you should be able to get a kit that has upgraded and tweaked the sound more. Roland has imo alway fsllen on the sounds no matter how expensive.
Abe’s a drum hero and a legend of today…really underrated in the drum world. Use a cheap ekit for the music on my channel…my dream would be to own a kit like this
Expensive electric drums, world class producer, priceless sound console, great drummer - still sound like junk. A well-tuned $1500 acoustic kit in a small room with consumer recording gear can sound better than this, easily!
This makes sense for so many scenarios in modern recording. Crappy rooms/drums/drummers et al. People wanting triggered/sound replaced drums no matter how good the live drum sound is. It’s just not the same as being in a nice room with a good drummer, nice mics/preamps and crushing some ambient/room mics thru a nice compressor/limiter. And my ear will always be able to tell when it’s a sampled drum bc if you’ve ever played a real kit, the microtonal shifts in pitch are always present depending on where and how the drum head is hit. Sampled/sound replaced always give it away bc the drum transient never changes in pitch even the slightest
This video makes it pretty obvious that technology improves, triggers improves, the sound resolution improves, and no matter what Roland modules are still able to turn it into a crap sound. How hard would it be to make it sound like a vst in 2024? There's a very clear difference as soon as they use DW soundworks, soooo much more natural and realistic.
Just learned you have to use the Roland cloud subscription to use the expansion packs indefinitely!!! Really???!!! So you cant just buy expansion sounds (or even offer FREE quality soundpack updates) outright and be done with it? As much as the kit is a pretty cool redesign, to be tethered to an endless subscription model just to KEEP those sounds in your module after you've paid all that money for the hardware upgrade, makes it a hard pass for me!!! Just a big greedy miss, Roland!!!
Again someone who does not know what they are talking about and bitching for no reason. When you say you ''just learned'' something, how about making sure it is actually correct before you start complaining. Plenty to complain about in this world, no need to make stuff up to be able to do it.
These are pretty awesome. I'd love to hear an A/B of the best sounds the Roland can produce, and the best sounds Butch Vig and Abe Cunningham can get with an acoustic in this studio. This at first seems like an unfair comparison but I question whether it should seem unfair, with how advanced ekits are now and especially the price point. I'd be so interested in the A/B
Love it, but definitely not practical in many ways. First of all, to take the set, and bring it into a legendary studio, hooked up to a legendary equalizer, and have it professionally set up, is misleading. 😩
As a guitar player it's quite amazing how satisfying it is to watch and hear really fantastic drummers like these guys and see all their cool drums and tools in action. The dream for many of us guitar players is to have that rock solid drummer to lay down the foundation that we can play over.
A decent, nicely tuned acoustic kit still sounds 100x better. This is basically hearing a real kit that has been recorded, processed and loaded onto a fake kit to be processed again. They definitely have their place, but not in a million dollar studio.
It's a cool toy, but at the end of the day, it's like having the singer come in, write lyrics, and then choose their favorite Ai voice to sing them. Or having the guitarist write the chord chart for what they are going to use, and then having a computer play it. The easier it is to make music, the more crappy music we get...
In typical Roland fashion, there’s a port for updating sounds on the td -50 module , did it get implemented, nope , will they’re making a new module make me urpgrade , HELL NO !!!
I plan on getting the DW e kit, but worry about laptop performance and capability. Would the new Roland V71 module be a good alternative for a laptop? Would I be missing out on something if I used that module instead of a laptop? Curious about pro and cons of using one or the other. Thoughts?
Roland stock sounds finally have multi layer samples that sound decent. They listened to the feedback for sure. Challenge for me, cost of £8k is steep I’ve invested so much in VSTs that solved this problem already. I’m not seeing the benefit of spending 8k when my VAD + VST sounds as good. This is still a game changer and at some point I will upgrade but not right now. Maybe when there is a smaller kit or when this tech comes to the line that is one level down from series 7.
@@journeysebyeah I agree. Very happy about the updates and progression made. Looking forward to hearing the new samples in person. I may upgrade to the new V71 module if it’s are worth the cost. If not I’ll stick purely with VSTs via a laptop.
Roland still have learned nothing. Same old TD 50 box, still with shared outputs for toms and cymbals. So it has a few more sounds and a colour screen, that's it. It still is not much better than my TD27 that can work with the soundworks program if I want. I did try it but the VH14 was impossible to set the trigger correctly so it got deleted. Roland is still behind the competition that have individual outs for every pad, and a colour screen. Rolan still has that stupid looking snare that is nothing like an acoustic shell, I tok the trigger basket out of mine and put it in a Pearl snare shell, looks far better and matches the V506 acoustic shells. . They should do a firmware update for existing modules that allow you to edit everything on a PC just like their other company Boss do for their guitar pedals, that by the way cost a fucking lot less. Maybe in another 5 years they will twig that for live work it is best to give separate outs for every pad. Till they do this I will never buy one. My TD27 connected to cubase gives me 27 separate outputs, so why would I buy an overpriced unit that in comparison does not justify the extra cost. I have 1 great all round sounding kit, that most drummers will have the rest of all this kit changing is for bar cover band players. Many from what I seen on user site comments have zero idea how to edit the kits in the Roland and consider them crap compared to EZdrummer 3. What a world.
I get all the producer thing... yeah, fine... You won't trick us thou. Fake cardboard over processed trigger can be spotted from a mile. Nice try with Butch anyway. I beg you paid him really well to make that satisfied face
@@journeyseb If you think a producer of that calibre would nod his head in satisfaction and subsequently praise the sound of those MONO-TRIGGER-ATTACK toms, I don't know who's really into conspiracies between me and you. Maybe you should take a listen to HIS tom sound of the records he produced, before being surprised that some of us might find it quite odd. It's marketing thou, I don't have a problem with that, good for Butch, he might buy a brand new car with this
@@twaylan considering nirvana hated the sound of their drums on, nevermind To your dumb point though, I don’t think vig was involved in the song writing thankfully.
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Sounds and looks great! Can't wait to not be able to afford it 😂😂
I was thinking of getting a brand new Lexus, but Im gonna get this drum kit instead..
@@joesmith-vz1vx😅
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I think you don't have to wait anymore. SINCE DAY ONE!!!😅😅😅
US$9000 🤡
Nice! ABE! Finally...Swearing in Roland Videos haha...also UK Wet Booth thanks to the amazing Chris Whitten and Peter Henderson. Recorded at the incredible Real World Studios UK
Chris did that!? Awesome!!
Two of my fave drummer/musicians in the same vid?!?! 🤯
These drum tones are 🔥 🔥 🔥! So good!
abe is not the right person for this ad! his signature sound is completely reliant on the subtleties of acoustic drums .
This is going to change the necessity for us "at-home" studio owners to have to re-record drums at a "bigger" studio. Recording drums is one of the hardest things about recording. Things are at the point now where you only have to use mics for vocals, horns and strings (if you use strings).
If that is what you do then it is overkill and a very expensive one at that. A TD27 is all you need and will trigger all the DW soundworks if you want, although you will never get it to trigger the VH14 correctly. I tried it along with upgrading to the 50X that went back as it was no better than a TD27 with 27 separate outputs into Cubase. Yes it did have some different sample drums, that in my opinion the toms did not sound better than the birch toms in the TD27, they were not in to 50x that had less kits???
@@grumpy8413 It depends on what you're willing to settle for. Quality costs.
I record drum tracks from my home studio with Studio One 4 Pro, and I multitrack output all of the tracks as if it were a traditional setup,with bleed,etc… I use various drum libraries and stack them to get unique and custom sounds. Very cost effective for clients. I only charge $50 per song, I play all the parts live in 1 take on my edit. I’ve been a drummer for 30 years now, and no one can tell the difference. Granted it does sound cleaner. 😊
Toms still sound like a machine gun. No round-robin. How many years now? Almost 20.
Like a kid at Christmas who cannot wait to open a present, I'm certain you could not wait to write that comment. I bet you even checked to see if you were the first to write it.
@@journeyseb pretty sure he’s said this on every vid featuring this new range too 🙄 .. still.. everyone needs a hobby eh?
Awesome guys, awesome studio, awesome drums :)
Abe crushin' it!! Couldn't help thinking I feel badly for the drummer that buys that 'demo' kit after being pummeled like that 😀
❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Abe is the 🐐
I'll stick with my new Tama Nebula kit
That finish is absolutely beautiful!✌️
@roland Boss had a headphones amp for guitar that would use the input area as if that's where the amp was.
If you turned your head it would sound like it would if you turned head with an amp in the room.
Do that for your edrums.
Roland. Can I call you Roland? How about this? How about you let people create "Kits" and let them post them online for others to download? You could even have a subscription service for people to be able to access them., or lets say access more than a couple a month.
I like the idea. I'm sure it would be a bit more complicated to implement than it sounds, but I like it.
No way it’s butch colabing with edrums let’s goooo
No way !! It doesn’t Sounds real to me , it’s just marketing 😢
If you're going to critique, I recommend learning proper spelling and grammar.
Should've shown a recording in a bedroom. The kit is already line level.
🔥🚬🥸 pretty cool
Does this mean we can do multiple layered sampling
in Soundworks that comes with it yes 18 layers x 8 nuaces, 5 mic channels per drum, IR reverb etc in Soundworks and multilayer with all the nuances in the V71 and combos of both. You can load multilayered DW kits directly into the module via Wifi and Sdcard too
@@tcellen2136 yeah but is that saying you can do multiple layer of self made samples not a mix of just on board samples to get different velocities if you wanted to create your own inboard snare including with round Robbins and things like that
I don't know... does it?
Toms, at last for a Roland module, sound good. But, from what I read in the manual, still no method of controlling anything other than loudness of user samples under the stick. Seriously? To be able to control the brightness of the sample (filtering by velocity) under the stick is relatively simple coding…and yet more than three decades after it started to appear in keyboard workstations, it’s still not in a Roland drum module. If drum modules moved as fast as keyboard technology, these features would have been in the TD-30 module.
Can't help but comment on the sounds.
There are truly better sounding e-kiys out there.
For that type of money you should be able to get a kit that has upgraded and tweaked the sound more.
Roland has imo alway fsllen on the sounds no matter how expensive.
Abe’s a drum hero and a legend of today…really underrated in the drum world. Use a cheap ekit for the music on my channel…my dream would be to own a kit like this
Nice
Expensive electric drums, world class producer, priceless sound console, great drummer - still sound like junk. A well-tuned $1500 acoustic kit in a small room with consumer recording gear can sound better than this, easily!
Roland drums finally sounding good! And kudos for not censoring the cursing 😌
This makes sense for so many scenarios in modern recording. Crappy rooms/drums/drummers et al. People wanting triggered/sound replaced drums no matter how good the live drum sound is. It’s just not the same as being in a nice room with a good drummer, nice mics/preamps and crushing some ambient/room mics thru a nice compressor/limiter. And my ear will always be able to tell when it’s a sampled drum bc if you’ve ever played a real kit, the microtonal shifts in pitch are always present depending on where and how the drum head is hit. Sampled/sound replaced always give it away bc the drum transient never changes in pitch even the slightest
This video makes it pretty obvious that technology improves, triggers improves, the sound resolution improves, and no matter what Roland modules are still able to turn it into a crap sound. How hard would it be to make it sound like a vst in 2024? There's a very clear difference as soon as they use DW soundworks, soooo much more natural and realistic.
Just learned you have to use the Roland cloud subscription to use the expansion packs indefinitely!!! Really???!!! So you cant just buy expansion sounds (or even offer FREE quality soundpack updates) outright and be done with it? As much as the kit is a pretty cool redesign, to be tethered to an endless subscription model just to KEEP those sounds in your module after you've paid all that money for the hardware upgrade, makes it a hard pass for me!!!
Just a big greedy miss, Roland!!!
There is an option for a one time purchase, own in perpetuity.
Again someone who does not know what they are talking about and bitching for no reason. When you say you ''just learned'' something, how about making sure it is actually correct before you start complaining. Plenty to complain about in this world, no need to make stuff up to be able to do it.
These are pretty awesome. I'd love to hear an A/B of the best sounds the Roland can produce, and the best sounds Butch Vig and Abe Cunningham can get with an acoustic in this studio. This at first seems like an unfair comparison but I question whether it should seem unfair, with how advanced ekits are now and especially the price point. I'd be so interested in the A/B
Love it, but definitely not practical in many ways. First of all, to take the set, and bring it into a legendary studio, hooked up to a legendary equalizer, and have it professionally set up, is misleading. 😩
As a guitar player it's quite amazing how satisfying it is to watch and hear really fantastic drummers like these guys and see all their cool drums and tools in action. The dream for many of us guitar players is to have that rock solid drummer to lay down the foundation that we can play over.
Don't drop 9K on any tech that isn't fully mature. This is just insanity. Buy a kit for 9k that will be obsolete in x years? Lol
You have to pay over ten grand to have to completely tear down this set to switch from electronic to acoustic
no SUBSCRIPTION or we will all leave.
Deftones and Garbage!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Awesome !!!
❗Great Vid...
Abe Cunningham 🔥🔥🔥
Cool Breeze 🐐🥁😎
Cool Breeze! 🌴 🥁
SD3 still sounds better. They should have worked out a deal with toontrack to include their program and sounds somehow.
A decent, nicely tuned acoustic kit still sounds 100x better.
This is basically hearing a real kit that has been recorded, processed and loaded onto a fake kit to be processed again.
They definitely have their place, but not in a million dollar studio.
Ok, don't buy it then...
It's a cool toy, but at the end of the day, it's like having the singer come in, write lyrics, and then choose their favorite Ai voice to sing them. Or having the guitarist write the chord chart for what they are going to use, and then having a computer play it.
The easier it is to make music, the more crappy music we get...
Do you apply the same logic to everything digital in music or just electronic drums? So no keyboards, effects pedals, etc. All toys?
Butch!
Would be great if it could load other drums than DW samples like vintage ludwig, tama, premier
I'm sure those companies will charge you a pretty penny for that.
Are the samples in the plugin recorded at Studio 606?
In typical Roland fashion, there’s a port for updating sounds on the td -50 module , did it get implemented, nope , will they’re making a new module make me urpgrade , HELL NO !!!
Overpriced , ive been building my own for years and use sd3
abe's a legend
I plan on getting the DW e kit, but worry about laptop performance and capability. Would the new Roland V71 module be a good alternative for a laptop? Would I be missing out on something if I used that module instead of a laptop? Curious about pro and cons of using one or the other. Thoughts?
All good questions, you should definitely do some research on it.
Once again, just a pure desire for the average working class folks........ubep
Yep, sucks for me... Still, they must be selling enough of them at those prices otherwise they would lower the price.
Using DW software, finally Roland gets some natural sounds. Still prefer my Gewa.
Great!
Roland stock sounds finally have multi layer samples that sound decent.
They listened to the feedback for sure. Challenge for me, cost of £8k is steep
I’ve invested so much in VSTs that solved this problem already.
I’m not seeing the benefit of spending 8k when my VAD + VST sounds as good.
This is still a game changer and at some point I will upgrade but not right now.
Maybe when there is a smaller kit or when this tech comes to the line that is one level down from series 7.
I understand your perspective for sure. Hard to justify the expense in your case. Hard to justify the expense in any case actually. So expensive!!!!
@@journeysebyeah I agree. Very happy about the updates and progression made.
Looking forward to hearing the new samples in person.
I may upgrade to the new V71 module if it’s are worth the cost.
If not I’ll stick purely with VSTs via a laptop.
two legend right there. Cool, 6 months i got my VAD504 and Roland puts out a new kit ..
You never win with technology purchases as it is never the perfect time to buy.
interesting. these are synthesized sounds?
No
Roland still have learned nothing. Same old TD 50 box, still with shared outputs for toms and cymbals. So it has a few more sounds and a colour screen, that's it. It still is not much better than my TD27 that can work with the soundworks program if I want. I did try it but the VH14 was impossible to set the trigger correctly so it got deleted. Roland is still behind the competition that have individual outs for every pad, and a colour screen. Rolan still has that stupid looking snare that is nothing like an acoustic shell, I tok the trigger basket out of mine and put it in a Pearl snare shell, looks far better and matches the V506 acoustic shells. . They should do a firmware update for existing modules that allow you to edit everything on a PC just like their other company Boss do for their guitar pedals, that by the way cost a fucking lot less. Maybe in another 5 years they will twig that for live work it is best to give separate outs for every pad. Till they do this I will never buy one. My TD27 connected to cubase gives me 27 separate outputs, so why would I buy an overpriced unit that in comparison does not justify the extra cost. I have 1 great all round sounding kit, that most drummers will have the rest of all this kit changing is for bar cover band players. Many from what I seen on user site comments have zero idea how to edit the kits in the Roland and consider them crap compared to EZdrummer 3. What a world.
What a world indeed... Have you seen the Kawasan falls in the Philippines, just amazing!!!
Love bitch and Gabe, fuggin HATE these toms right here 3:18 😂😂 new snare is cool
I get excited about the potential of electronic drums and would love to get some...
until I play the cymbals and then I keep walking away.
Butch Vig and Abe Cunningham, almost as famous as Deego Radnidge and Ekco Thugbar of Iron Tomahawk Brigade. They're massive in Basingstoke.
R'n'R is dead
I get all the producer thing... yeah, fine...
You won't trick us thou.
Fake cardboard over processed trigger can be spotted from a mile.
Nice try with Butch anyway. I beg you paid him really well to make that satisfied face
Conspiracies... nice...
@@journeyseb If you think a producer of that calibre would nod his head in satisfaction and subsequently praise the sound of those MONO-TRIGGER-ATTACK toms, I don't know who's really into conspiracies between me and you. Maybe you should take a listen to HIS tom sound of the records he produced, before being surprised that some of us might
find it quite odd.
It's marketing thou, I don't have a problem with that, good for Butch, he might buy a brand new car with this
I can't explain how hard it was for me to watch this video with the audio of the drummer out of sync with the video.
Remember when nirvana hired butch a second time? Me neither.
…and remember when they bested their breakthrough album he produced? …oh, nevermind.
Imagine thinking Nirvana is a good band
@@twaylan considering nirvana hated the sound of their drums on, nevermind
To your dumb point though, I don’t think vig was involved in the song writing thankfully.
@@Dr.Garlic.Imagine thinking they’re not
Pearl mimic still wins