Love it! Played a ton of gigs with my acoustic kit and just seeing everything packed up give me flashbacks of load in, set up, breakdown, load out, and try not to forget something at the venue. Ugg….labor of love I guess. Great vid, always enjoy your content.
Wow man just wow. I’m overwhelmed by my new found idea of gigging with the Alesis Strike Pro. I am using Superior Drummer 3 which I found to be amazing in my headphones. However when running them out to PA for practice the first time, I found everything and I do mean everything changed. No dynamics, latency issues, and just less then desired sounds compared to what I had. Thanks for all the info, I am overwhelmed. Truthfully not even sure SD3 is a possibility to gig with at this point.
Man I had no idea how ace this setup actually is, love the custom kick drum. It sounded great btw, said to Max I can't believe how good you can make an e-kit sound, but it is you so... Side note: Your filming and editing is so good, you're putting me, the actual freelance videographer, to shame! 😂
Ahh, thank you man 🙏 Taken a while to get used to filming this amount of stuff, pretty nuts haha! Glad it sounded good at the gig, always a worry when I'm not there to tweak stuff.
It is awesome that you have the experience to know how to tweek your sounds for live use. It would be great if you came out with "Live" versions of your sound sets. I would be happy to purchase them along with the studio versions. I'm sure there are others who would do the same.
Thank you! I don't create any kits that are marketed specifically for live use purely because I can't guarantee that a kit will sound perfect on every PA system. I feel like it would be disingenuous to suggest that presets will always be "gig ready" no matter the PA. Different speakers will have different frequency responses so there's always a chance that a kit might need some tweaking. I know how the PA that my old band uses sounds with my kits so I can predict how things will sound. That said, all of the kits on my store are tested on my own PA and sound great through it. I also usually include notes for things to adjust for live use in the Readme file included with the download (typically this will be turning off the ambience to make the kit dry).
What a great video!!!! I would love to see a slower breakdown about how you handled the audio in and out stuff for click, headphone, front of house, etc.
Thank you 🙏 Yeah, I wasn't sure how in-depth to go with it, it's easy for some to tune out of those parts haha! I'll have a think about doing a proper "running tracks" video as this is a really simplified way (with no monitoring of the band through the mixer for the drummer). I use a more detailed setup with my other band, so maybe a "different levels" approach could work for it.
Thank you! If I hadn't have bought the Jungle Gig conversion kit for a previous floor tom conversion that I didn't keep, I don't think the idea would have ever come to mind!
Love the nuts and bolts of it all, especially the pack and transport. More stuff like that is helpful for edrum converts like myself. Stupid question: I’m assuming a “dep” drummer is just another way of referring to a sub?
As always great video Luke 👏 👏. I noticed you didn't unplug the cable snake from the module. Is this something you still do? I always unplug mine but trust your judgement 👍
Thank you! 🙏 If I was taking it to regular shows myself I would probably unplug it. Since I was packing it up for a one-off gig for someone else who has limited experience with my kit, I left it plugged in purely to make things quicker and simpler for them!
Edit - unfortunately the video in this comment has been made private so is unavailable. Sorry! If you want to see how the kit sounded at the venue (recorded through a GoPro), the bassist Ryan recorded the gig for his new music vlog 💪 - ruclips.net/video/EvITTHDdh08/видео.html
Ah, that's a shame. There must be a reason he's effectively decided to remove the video from the channel (along with the other "vlog" style videos). I'll unpin and edit this comment.
Nice work and thanks for sharing. Quick question concerning backing tracks and click tracks : why dont use the built in features related to songs and clicks of the TD-27 ? It will save you the usage of the TM2 and Yam mix? (and no need to deal with mono left and right also...)
Thanks. Great question! There are a couple of reasons. One is that I already had this setup configured from a previous time I lent gear out. Back then, I didn't have the TD-27, I had an aD5 which didn't have a song player built in. The dep was familiar with this setup and I already had the tracks exported in the panned formats so it was easier to stick with it. The second reason is a personal gripe of mine with the onboard song player + click function. For some reason, when you enable the click track function to pair the two files up, it doesn't remove the click .wav file from the song list. So every time you want to go to the next song, you have to scroll past the click file of the last track (the filename structure means the click is always the next track in the list). This doesn't sound too bad, but it's easy to not realise and accidentally hit play on that click track, which will then come out of the main outputs rather than the sub outputs because it's now playing as a song rather than as the click track of another song. When you're in a live situation, removing any possibility for error is paramount, especially when someone is using gear that isn't their own. So I went for the setup that involved a little more hardware but had a slimmer chance of going wrong! The added bonus being that I guess it might give some people ideas if they don't have a song player built in. Hope that makes sense!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Many thanks for your answer (most appreciated). Your asnwers make sense. I usually use a Zoom R8 as "multitrack backend and click" for stage. Just plugging the phone output to the mix in of the edrum module and the L/R master outputs to the mix of the PA. I think TD27 and TD50 lack of kind of song playlist that would avoid handling the search and start song by song... I was wondering if the Pearl Mimic pro handles properly such usage, as based on some review and user manuel, I saw there is a way to have song list, and for each song it is possible th add a click track. Your opinion?
very nice man!... a question. I own a TD25kv kit and I use it at gigs triggering SD3. My snare is 10" and I sometimes find it difficult to find the sweet spot for rimshots. I wonder if by changing my snare drum for something larger (maybe a 13" snare) I will notice an improvement in terms of overall playability... thx so much!
Thanks! If you think the reason that you find it hard to hit the sweet spot is definitely the size (rather than, say, the height of the rim with the guard on or something like that), then a larger pad is probably going to help. Just make sure that the larger pad can play the same way as the 10" one in terms of triggering!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop yes that definitely makes sense... Thx... Besides, I've seen some reviews and it seems to me that larger snares provide a more realistic sound and feel overall... Is it me or is it the way it actually is?... Thx so much again
If your trigger settings are set up right, there won't be any difference in sounds. The sounds are controlled by the module, not the pad. Depending on the capability of the module, some pads might enable things like positional sensing which will affect how the sounds react. Your TD-25 snare can already do positional sensing, so if you go with a larger drum that also supports it, you should get the same results sound-wise. But yeah, the feel you get from a larger pad can make a huge difference and sometimes that will help things "sound" better just because it feels more natural to play on and as a result you might be able to express yourself better!
The kit itself - most likely! The majority of the pads are cheap acoustic drums converted with internal triggers (the kick is a DIY trigger, the snare has a DRONE Halo trigger and the rack tom has a Jobeky 3 spoke centre trigger). The 14" Alesis Strike pad for the floor tom could easily be swapped for another cheap DIY/trigger pad. The cymbals could be done even cheaper by using only Lemon cymbals, but even the hi-hat pad here isn't too expensive - it's a Yamaha PCY-135 and an old second hand FD-7 pedal. It's the module that will bump the price up the most. If you've already got a module, that's not a problem. But if not, this was using a Roland TD-27 module which comes in around $1500 itself, so that wouldn't be much help! A TD-17 is a fair bit cheaper, but still comes in at around half the budget. Of course, you have to account for the hardware too. It's all stuff I've accumulated over the years so I'm not quite sure what they'd cost if you didn't already have them, but picking up some cheap second hand hardware shouldn't be too difficult.
Love it! Played a ton of gigs with my acoustic kit and just seeing everything packed up give me flashbacks of load in, set up, breakdown, load out, and try not to forget something at the venue. Ugg….labor of love I guess. Great vid, always enjoy your content.
Great idea with the kick 🤯. I like that it actually gives it a minimalistic look
Super clever bass drum rig!
Wow man just wow. I’m overwhelmed by my new found idea of gigging with the Alesis Strike Pro. I am using Superior Drummer 3 which I found to be amazing in my headphones. However when running them out to PA for practice the first time, I found everything and I do mean everything changed. No dynamics, latency issues, and just less then desired sounds compared to what I had. Thanks for all the info, I am overwhelmed. Truthfully not even sure SD3 is a possibility to gig with at this point.
Thats where direct outs from a module might help. Havent heard the latency issues expressed in any comments.
Wow, and the kit sounds amazing too!
Thank you 🙏
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I want to build a kit for home studio recording. I’d appreciate your advice.
A very underrated youtuber
Thank you 🙏
Man I had no idea how ace this setup actually is, love the custom kick drum. It sounded great btw, said to Max I can't believe how good you can make an e-kit sound, but it is you so...
Side note: Your filming and editing is so good, you're putting me, the actual freelance videographer, to shame! 😂
Ahh, thank you man 🙏 Taken a while to get used to filming this amount of stuff, pretty nuts haha! Glad it sounded good at the gig, always a worry when I'm not there to tweak stuff.
It is awesome that you have the experience to know how to tweek your sounds for live use. It would be great if you came out with "Live" versions of your sound sets. I would be happy to purchase them along with the studio versions. I'm sure there are others who would do the same.
Thank you! I don't create any kits that are marketed specifically for live use purely because I can't guarantee that a kit will sound perfect on every PA system. I feel like it would be disingenuous to suggest that presets will always be "gig ready" no matter the PA. Different speakers will have different frequency responses so there's always a chance that a kit might need some tweaking. I know how the PA that my old band uses sounds with my kits so I can predict how things will sound. That said, all of the kits on my store are tested on my own PA and sound great through it. I also usually include notes for things to adjust for live use in the Readme file included with the download (typically this will be turning off the ambience to make the kit dry).
I used one of your old tutorials to mess with my snare settings. Very noticeable difference! Thanks!
Great stuff, glad my content could help!
What a great video!!!! I would love to see a slower breakdown about how you handled the audio in and out stuff for click, headphone, front of house, etc.
Thank you 🙏 Yeah, I wasn't sure how in-depth to go with it, it's easy for some to tune out of those parts haha! I'll have a think about doing a proper "running tracks" video as this is a really simplified way (with no monitoring of the band through the mixer for the drummer). I use a more detailed setup with my other band, so maybe a "different levels" approach could work for it.
Very interesting video!
I love how you did the kick drum I might do something similar!
👍
Thank you! If I hadn't have bought the Jungle Gig conversion kit for a previous floor tom conversion that I didn't keep, I don't think the idea would have ever come to mind!
Damn. You're so creative and you have groove for days.
Wow, thank you 🙏
@@TheeDrumWorkshop absolutely!
Your band and their new drummer are very ‘luke’ with you. Nice compact setup!👍🏾
Thank you! 🙏
Loved this kit!
Wish I knew half as much about my 27 module as you do.
There's a lot to learn about with it, it takes time! I've got a couple of videos on the channel that might help, have a look around!
Excellent
Love the nuts and bolts of it all, especially the pack and transport. More stuff like that is helpful for edrum converts like myself. Stupid question: I’m assuming a “dep” drummer is just another way of referring to a sub?
Thanks! I thought it might at least spark some ideas! And yes, I think it must be more common in the UK than elsewhere, short for "deputy" I believe.
Thanks Great video..
Sweet
As always great video Luke 👏 👏. I noticed you didn't unplug the cable snake from the module. Is this something you still do? I always unplug mine but trust your judgement 👍
Thank you! 🙏 If I was taking it to regular shows myself I would probably unplug it. Since I was packing it up for a one-off gig for someone else who has limited experience with my kit, I left it plugged in purely to make things quicker and simpler for them!
Edit - unfortunately the video in this comment has been made private so is unavailable. Sorry!
If you want to see how the kit sounded at the venue (recorded through a GoPro), the bassist Ryan recorded the gig for his new music vlog 💪 - ruclips.net/video/EvITTHDdh08/видео.html
Hi, the video it's private :(
Ah, that's a shame. There must be a reason he's effectively decided to remove the video from the channel (along with the other "vlog" style videos). I'll unpin and edit this comment.
Have you ever found an internal trigger for a snare that works well with Yamaha modules?
Unfortunately I don't have a Yamaha module to test anything out on. Hope to get one in at some point.
Nice work and thanks for sharing. Quick question concerning backing tracks and click tracks : why dont use the built in features related to songs and clicks of the TD-27 ? It will save you the usage of the TM2 and Yam mix? (and no need to deal with mono left and right also...)
Thanks. Great question! There are a couple of reasons. One is that I already had this setup configured from a previous time I lent gear out. Back then, I didn't have the TD-27, I had an aD5 which didn't have a song player built in. The dep was familiar with this setup and I already had the tracks exported in the panned formats so it was easier to stick with it.
The second reason is a personal gripe of mine with the onboard song player + click function. For some reason, when you enable the click track function to pair the two files up, it doesn't remove the click .wav file from the song list. So every time you want to go to the next song, you have to scroll past the click file of the last track (the filename structure means the click is always the next track in the list). This doesn't sound too bad, but it's easy to not realise and accidentally hit play on that click track, which will then come out of the main outputs rather than the sub outputs because it's now playing as a song rather than as the click track of another song. When you're in a live situation, removing any possibility for error is paramount, especially when someone is using gear that isn't their own. So I went for the setup that involved a little more hardware but had a slimmer chance of going wrong! The added bonus being that I guess it might give some people ideas if they don't have a song player built in. Hope that makes sense!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Many thanks for your answer (most appreciated). Your asnwers make sense. I usually use a Zoom R8 as "multitrack backend and click" for stage. Just plugging the phone output to the mix in of the edrum module and the L/R master outputs to the mix of the PA. I think TD27 and TD50 lack of kind of song playlist that would avoid handling the search and start song by song... I was wondering if the Pearl Mimic pro handles properly such usage, as based on some review and user manuel, I saw there is a way to have song list, and for each song it is possible th add a click track. Your opinion?
Fantastic!
very nice man!... a question. I own a TD25kv kit and I use it at gigs triggering SD3. My snare is 10" and I sometimes find it difficult to find the sweet spot for rimshots. I wonder if by changing my snare drum for something larger (maybe a 13" snare) I will notice an improvement in terms of overall playability... thx so much!
Thanks! If you think the reason that you find it hard to hit the sweet spot is definitely the size (rather than, say, the height of the rim with the guard on or something like that), then a larger pad is probably going to help. Just make sure that the larger pad can play the same way as the 10" one in terms of triggering!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop yes that definitely makes sense... Thx... Besides, I've seen some reviews and it seems to me that larger snares provide a more realistic sound and feel overall... Is it me or is it the way it actually is?... Thx so much again
If your trigger settings are set up right, there won't be any difference in sounds. The sounds are controlled by the module, not the pad. Depending on the capability of the module, some pads might enable things like positional sensing which will affect how the sounds react. Your TD-25 snare can already do positional sensing, so if you go with a larger drum that also supports it, you should get the same results sound-wise. But yeah, the feel you get from a larger pad can make a huge difference and sometimes that will help things "sound" better just because it feels more natural to play on and as a result you might be able to express yourself better!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop sweet... That'll definitely be my next purchase. Thx for all and keep up the excellent work!... Cheers
Is a kit like that possible for under 1,500. US?
The kit itself - most likely! The majority of the pads are cheap acoustic drums converted with internal triggers (the kick is a DIY trigger, the snare has a DRONE Halo trigger and the rack tom has a Jobeky 3 spoke centre trigger). The 14" Alesis Strike pad for the floor tom could easily be swapped for another cheap DIY/trigger pad. The cymbals could be done even cheaper by using only Lemon cymbals, but even the hi-hat pad here isn't too expensive - it's a Yamaha PCY-135 and an old second hand FD-7 pedal.
It's the module that will bump the price up the most. If you've already got a module, that's not a problem. But if not, this was using a Roland TD-27 module which comes in around $1500 itself, so that wouldn't be much help! A TD-17 is a fair bit cheaper, but still comes in at around half the budget. Of course, you have to account for the hardware too. It's all stuff I've accumulated over the years so I'm not quite sure what they'd cost if you didn't already have them, but picking up some cheap second hand hardware shouldn't be too difficult.
Much appreciated info. Thank you brother.