Why New LED Light Fixtures Are A Bad Idea 👎
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The next time you are updating your light fixtures be careful selecting light fixtures with "integrated LEDs." There are a few concerns I have with these types of fixtures that could cause you more maintenance and pain down the road
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2 years? Dont get your led lights from wish.
They’re all
Chinese dude
@@metzidis
Yep they are too dirty to manufacture in the USA!
I get mine for under $7 a pop and I’ve had them in rentals five years going strong knock on wood
Led BULBS for some reason don’t seem to last. That was like rule two of landlord school. Water plus houses = bad and always PUT LED Fixtures in because tenants don’t like screwing in light bulbs
I'd be annoyed if my LED lights fail in two years. I haven't had that problem so far.
I'm seeing this more and more often. I guess they're finding cheaper ways to manufacture them
I thought I was the only one who was baffled by that, that is def not the avg lifespan of LEDs, they go much longer
These thing were suppose to save the world. They’re junk. I have incandescent light bulbs in a barn from the 1980’s that are still going. The landfill will be full of these led’s. I have a shop with led’s that run about $25 a piece . I’m getting just at 3 years out then. I get 10 years out of the fluorescent lights in my other shop at $12. These lights were a scam perpetrated by government.
Mine just went out. I see why they give you 2 of them now. Im going back old school light fixture. "Aint nobody got time for that.".🤨
I just did lol, 2 years in my bathroom fixture failed after a year for the first time, the first time diagnosed it as the switch,, (it's a proprietary switch with a driver integrated in it) I got a new switch for free, it worked but now it's failed again and I'm sure it's the driver. This was a $300 bathroom fixture from a big box store. I haven't had any issues with the 40 pot lights I installed though.
They should be standardized so ppl can replace them like a lightbulb
Lightbulbs aren't either....
Keep couple of lights as backup in case any of them fails after few years and the same model might not be available.
Fucking genius ngl
I find it harder each year to find incandescent and fluorescent bulbs, not to mention the cost. The LED panels are supposed to last 50K hours, that's almost 6 years of continuous use. I have a screw-in LED bulb in a lamp that never gets turned off except during power failures. It has been on for at least 13 years.
thank Obama and Biden. Trump prevented the bulb ban
Will be impossible soon. I believe the ban on incandescent went in effect this past July. Total government overreach on something so small
I used mine for 6 years continuously on the highest output (variable light depending on room). Just bought a replacement for 50 bucks. Much better than the Philips lights I keep replacing every other year for a bigger cost.
I have the exact same fixture he shows in the video (it's a Home Depot special). The fixtures will last much longer than bulbs for a number of technical reasons I won't go into bere. In any case, I've had mine 5 years and they still work like new. One of them is on half the day as well.
These are valid points. I’m putting 80+ led lights into a new construction home for our family. We’re doing traditional cans with changeable led bulbs for this reason.
What trims and lights you end up getting? I am putting 40 new ones. Thank you
I've installed a couple of them in areas where I wanted more clearance and installing recessed fixtures wasn't really a good option. These fixtures are typically inexpensive and incredibly simple to replace. For laundry room, closets, basement fixtures they're a pretty good option.
Can you explain how to remove the cover to change the bulb?
@@deborahwiggins3142Good question. I don't even know if it has a light bulb in it. 🤷🏿♀️
@deborahwiggins3142 in this kind you can't, you change it all.
I prefer the ones that take the screw base bulbs.
This is designed in. They are meant to fail for the benefit of the industry that makes them.
It's called planned obsolescence, it means that failure is built into the product in the design itself usually outside of the warranty period, this forces consumers to have to buy again. It is a disgusting practice that causes physical waste from faulty products thrown away and waste of money. The consumer and the environment lose and the industry wins. My Ikea led ceiling lamp has failed after about two years, I work in electronics so I was able to take it apart but it is built in a way to prevent the led element from being opened, it was difficult opening it but with my work skills, some repurposed tools and a lot of patience I was able to do it. Not a single led bulb is burnt out, nothing looks burnt out. I am going to have to dig deeper to diagnose what the fault is. I noticed when I put it on there was a noise like a click click then a clock second tick, tick, tick tick tick and then the click click again, it keeps repeating over and over. Deepai thinks it's the led driver. I will try to fix this as a diy project and to defeat planned obsolescence.
I do maintenance at a large university with thousands of leds. I'm convinced quality is decreasing and expect many premature failures. Even among the best brands.
Built in integrated LED is a terrible idea. I built a brand new home and installed these integrated built in LED fixtures, around 5 years later 90% of them failed, or started flickering, of half dead.
Only the replaceable LED bulbs are a good idea, but definitely NOT recommending the integrated build in LED light fixtures.
Agree. Plus the covers are ugly plastic. No thanks.
They're failing due to poor cooling. Especially if they're using a plastic housing. All led light fixtures for ceiling should have some sort of metal housing or heatsink to aid in cooling. Learn a little basic soldering, and you should be able to fix them if they aren't too hard to get into. Then you can also add a heatsink in at the same time if you want. You can easily buy heatsinks of all shapes and sizes online along with thermal pads/epoxy. What happens is the fixture heats up and cools down, but since they get so hot the soldered components expand and contract/warp (thermal cycling is death to electronics) causing the solder joints to crack, especially if they don't use leaded solder.
@@johnjingleheimersmith9259they also fail early when the manufacturer overdrives the LED’s to push out more lumens.
Hi, can you talk about when LED ceiling lights stay on after the power is turned off ? How do you fix this issue? Thanks 👍
Try replacing the light switch.
I had the same problem in two light sockets after I switched to LED bulbs. Switches can corrode over time, allowing a small amount of electricity to 'leak' through. Not enough to be visible with an incandescent bulb, but visible with an LED.
Hope that helps.
That's what stops me too. I don't rent my home out, but I still don't like the idea of wasting an entire fixure, just because the light itself needs to be switched out. I don't want to have to rewire anything unnecessarily, either. Honestly, next time I have to do that, I'm probably going to wire a plug in that spot, instead of a ceiling light, and just start hanging plug-in lights instead. I've even started boning up on how to turn hard wired chandeliers into plug-ins, so I can do the rest of my home the same way.
Moved into my new house a ur ago and 8 months in the light failed. It was installed prior to moving in and now I have to replace
I put 30+ LED lights in 8 eight years ago and haven't had a problem yet. I also bought 5 extras to have as back ups. I have no idea where they went but knock on wood.
Do you remember who they're from?
I'm new to these kinds of lights and love them. I did have an issue with my porch light going out on me after having it only a few months ago, but my electric bill has shown a difference, so I replaced a few more lights with led. The low voltage is a win, but if the lead doesn't last long enough, then I'll have to switch back to bulb light fixtures cause having to replace a hole light fixture every few months just isn't realistic for me. Has to last over the years.
Do I have to replace my fixture if they stop working? I have two in my kitchen. One went out. Please suggest. Thanks.
I definitely prefer regular fixtures with screw in bulbs over the integrated ones. If you really want the integrated ones, buy some spares.
This is a very good point! It's true that the mfg of these fixtures often rate them as lasting 10yrs or more. But the truth is, a percentage of them will start failing after a couple yrs, and barely any of them will last 10yrs.
The amount of money you saved using LED versus incandescent or halogen is worth it.
@@robertbodero444
I just select fixtures that are meant for bulk sales and get 1-1/2 as many as needed.
THe diodes are rated for 10 years but most drivers only last 5, in ideal circumstances. Many don't think of the power surges that go through the house, like when the power goes out. Also, many manufacturers offer a warranty on their LED fixtures.
Want to avoid a matching situation in case of failure...buy a couple extra pr keep all your purchase documentation for warranty claims.
LED is a much more efficient and cost effective upgrade for any home.
@@dlw73078 they are not cost effective when you take into account most home owners have no idea how to replace fixture. They also are not cost effective when you think of all these fixtures ending up in the landfills. What we’re saving in electricity on the consumers end is being used up in the manufactures end. There is no saving with these fixtures.
Totally agree! I worked in a hospital we started updating to LED fast forward a couple years when they started failing it was near impossible to get perfect matches and upper management stated we needed the same color light in a hallway or a room. If the new one didn’t match now we had to replace all of them in that room or hallway!
You should not have replace the fixture only replace the lamp and use brand name LED so color K will match
@@vietcongbuondanbannuocphan1791
Tell me about it! Ever try arguing with upper management whose only worry is “how much will it cost me today?”!
Had to go online for landscape lighting fixtures with replaceable bulbs. Not available at Lowe's.
It's not for everyone, but only 2 years after installation a number of the individual LEDs in our fixture started failing (and of course that model was no longer available). I carefully (and safely) unsoldered the bad ones, and soldered in some new ones, available on Amazon, Ebay, or Digi-Key (if you want to buy a reel of 10,000).
Helppp! I have that same light fixture in my kitchen. How do you remove the cover to get to the light bulb to change it? There are three places on the side that say "left to loose right to tighten ". It won't budge for me and I don't want to break it.
Good tip. Some led bulbs just don't last for some reason. Cheaply made? Don't know. The package says 12 year lifespan. But I've thrown out plenty after 2 years. And they were not in an enclosure.
That’s the same problem you have with anything 🤦🏼♂️
I bought a dozen integrated LED ceiling lights 11 years ago when they just started coming out for a kitchen remodel. I see one now might develop an issue as it has very intermittent flickering. I wish I had bought a few extra for spares, but so far there’s only one on a switch by itself that I can swap out if I have to.
I’m already facing this dilemma. Now, I have ended up having 3 different types of light fixtures, slightly different from each other. Artika SkyRaker, StarRaker & MoonRaker.
The StarRaker was the best because it emits light from the sides of the profile body as well.
I’ve thought about changing out the boob lights in our hallway for lights like this but never pulled the trigger because I didn’t know how long the lights lasted and or if you changed out the LED lights. Glad I never went with them
They say LED never fail.
Thats a lie.
But how is that lie a detriment to homosexual special rights ?
@@benjurqunov WTF does that have to do with LED lighting??
I was promised that they would last about 20yrs but all have failed at 5 years!😢
@@pattidavis8043you actually got 5 years ? One of mine was a few months. My shop lights go out at 4 years. 120 bucks per fixture. I remember throwing out bulbs, now we throw away fixtures.
Lol who told you LED never fails?
How can I fix my LED ceiling light fixture?
I hate throwing away the whole unit, it takes 5-20 minutes to turn on. Otherwise it’s a great light fixture.
Thats True tendency is company will discontinue certain designs and will be hard to match existing fixtures.
Literally had this yesterday 12/30 @ my sisters house now she wants them all changed 😢
7 years in our house and had to replace 1 porch light……alll others going strong inside and out
I added these fixtures in my house and found the ease, look and energy savings far out way any negatives. If it fails in the future I’ll change it like any other fixture. This type of fixture out last any other.
How is it gonna outlast a fixture with a replaceable bulb that can last for a century as there's nothing to break 🤦
I have yet to see one of these fail, and the ones we've installed years ago now are still available. And honestly, even if your whole house was set up with these things, if one failed in one room, you could just replace that room with a similar model. You wouldn't need to redo the whole house. While a dedicated fixture with replaceable bulbs is preferable, I don't think it is a huge thing to fuss over if you like the LED pucks.
The con of LED bulbs in an enclosed fixture is that they run hotter and fail more quickly, even those rated for use in them
I don't install them in my rentals at all or in my house. The electric company keeps sending me free bulds too often, and now i have over 100 bulbs from 4w-20w. Standar light fixtures (and ceiling fans) it is.
Ugh this is what I’m discovering. The entire house has these- we bought a flip. And there’s no lightbulbs you have to replace the entire damn thing!
Where u getting two years life from ive installed 1000s of new led fixtures and had maybe 3-4 go bad and some r 6-7-8 yrs old now including the newer slim line can lights 100s of them and not one has went bad
I hate those things,you are better off with LED lightbulbs or LED tubes like in fluorescent lights
I've never lived in a house where to look of the lighting between rooms or floors was an issue. but I'm also not an elitist that worries about the aesthetics of my home. come over for a burger and a beer... sorry about the 2 different light styles 😂😂😂
Lol!😂 You’re my kind of friend.
It looks sloppy as hell
Ever heard of a thing called color temperature? That will determine the exact color output of the bulb and is typically printed on every LED bulb package to help you match with other LEDs if you ever need to replace a bulb.
ENERGY STAR certified light fixtures are rated for 50,000 hours. At 3 hours of use per day (which is the average use for a light according to EPA), that fixture would last 45 years.
The LED itself might last that long, but the components on the board fail especially with humidity or condensation.
But in reality, most of us use our lights way longer than that per day
I use the one in my kitchen almost all day
My parents had one last 8 years.
Call me crazy if you like but I have this exact same fear which is why I've gone to restores and thrift stores finding matching fixtures that I can continue to use LED screw in bulbs to get the best of both worlds.
I thought I was going to be high Tech and fancy and bought some porch lights that were LED and matched and lo and behold one of them doesn't come on when it gets cold, great! they no longer make those so now! So change both out? I was looking for efficiency and that aint it! Just more trash in the landfill!
that's when I changed my direction and now I just changed the bulb when I need to!
Here's the problem with going with those EPA estimates yeah that looks great and that's best case scenario probably in a lab at that.
Just like with those screw in LED replacements I'm thinking wow 20 years or whatever it was, yea right, 2 years Max! If I'm lucky.
Maybe this is just a sign of my age but I'm sticking with replaceable, rebuildable stuff because I've been burned a few times by these throw away fixtures, which just seems so crazy to me.
But then again I don't change my wardrobe every season either lol.
Its just 1 0r 2 diodes that fail, just remove bad led and tape foil over it.
I've had a few of my LED bulbs last 6+ years so far. 😅 🤷♂️ Quality made and properly cooled they last awhile. If they're overheating they tend to die out I've found. (High Lumen/High wattage passive cooled)
Just had a tenant move move out so had to get in rental to clean , paint etc…. to get ready to rent out again. Before we first started renting out this house about 7 years ago we did change most fixtures. Old house fixtures were good but 50 years old so was just modernizing. All these fixtures we changed were 2 or more bulbs , only COB led was a bathroom fixture. Last tenant must like living in a cave. Of about 30 bulbs , less then 5 working in whole house.
Buy better quality. You get what you pay for. You can also build your own.
Build your own? 🤔
There are LED chips and drivers available online so if you have some engineering knowledge and know how to solder you may be able to build your own.
I agree with the new LED fixtures, especially the ones that are the flood light variant because I hate those fixtures I mean does not make sense if one LED burns out you have to replace the entire thing so stick to the ceiling fans, light fixtures with replaceable bulbs, another reason not to use LEDs
Thank you for pointing this out! What a pain to have to replace multiple fixtures. And throwing whole fixtures away is not eco-friendly at all.
The last longer than 2 years you probably get 10 to 20 years unless you leave him on all the time
I have had my light from Costco for going on 5 years and it is pretty much on 24/7 in the kitchen.
Have you considered getting a switch? 🤣🤣🤣
Regular Bulb Fixtures are better, durable and more cost effective, you can simply screw in an led a21 if the space isn’t bright or the regular if A21s doesn’t fit
This is such a dumb excuse, this applies for any light fixture that can break
Damn didn’t know Tom segura knew about electrical
They try to justify it by saying that these LEDs will last for many years. But if you get more than 8 of these, I can almost guarantee one of them will go out much sooner than advertised. LED fixtures have lots of electronics inside to convert the AC to DC. Lots of tiny little parts that can go bad. Usually a capacitor is the culprit.
It's mainly the smoothing capacitor that's supposed to smooth out the flicker of the AC so the DC feed is of a higher frequency and the LEDs flicker less that causes this. Almost all makes use electrolytic capacitors that have limited lifetimes and can easily fail and mispulse the DC causing the now all too familiar strobing
Thus you suggest using LED bulbs and using standard lighting fixtures? Easier to change bulbs that fixture..
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I've seen top brand name bulb burn out in the same 2-3 years as nameless Chinese crap. I try to always get at least one spare complete unit, or bulbs, so I have matching replacements on hand.
Old bulbs last way longer somehow 😂
I absolutely hate integrated LED lights. Mainly because the cover is not glass but plastic and looks super cheap. Not sure why they are pushing them everywhere. Much prefer to be able to use lightbulbs.
Man, almost everything available at Big Box stores has went the way of plastic and integrated LEDs. 😕
Patriot Lighting from Menards, has a 5 year warranty that they allegedly do NOT honor because that exact style was discontinued. So, if you want to use Patriot Lighting, you keep your receipt, and take them up on that warranty and when you are denied, you sue them into oblivion for having fake warranties. Or, you do the better move, and just do it right in the first place and put these morons out of business and get the better lights.
A lot of these lights have a separate plate that the LEDs are installed on. That could be swapped out with a different fixture if you really wanted to keep the look the same.
You can just replace the lamps. While not the most convenient they are available.
2yrs!? More like 10 to 15 if u spend $15+ on each
The led light modules are less than $20 USD. I just replaced my ceiling led fan light.easy peasy
You'll be sick of them by then anyway. Buy new
I was never a fan of integrated LED light fixtures, but customers love them. 🤷♂️
This is a non issue
Mine have a 5 year guarantee. Just get good ones. Read the warranty before you buy. And they are 13 in rounds with adjustable lighting.
Yep it's a thing... got 4 4ft led bars for my workshop with 5yr warranty. One stops working at 4 yrs and can I find the manufacturer anywhere... guess.
I would like to see the dislikes this video gets from actual electricians
Yeah, I wish they would bring back the dislike count. This specific video is 93% likes as compared to the channel average of 97% likes. So there is some additional push back on this video.
What are you doing to them to make them fail after two years?!
They never last as long as they say. They are all tested in 50 degree a/c and are tested without ever turning off. (Turning on and off decreases the life).
They were never tested to boast a 50 year life span. That was marketing garbage. They needed a way to get everyone to switch to reduce wattage so the brown outs wouldn’t be as obvious getting you all to switch over to electric vehicles. EV’s are the compact fluorescent of the auto industry .
Why do they fail after 2 years???
Buy extra
Integrated fixtures are popular but they won't be for everyone. If cost is your primary motive you should opt for a light fixture with replacement bulbs. People who choose integrated fixtures are generally making a purchase based on achieving a specific look to their lighting design where design and style is important. In that case, it's best to go with an established brand and that will cost more per fixture. Cheap lights like the ones you've shown are unreliable and should be avoided.
And if you get led bulbs you then have to get LED dimmer switches. Hopefully this all pays off in the long run
If you get a good enough deal on them, by 150% of what you need.
Why would LEDs fail after 2 years? 🤔
I use LED bulbs, easy and you don't have to change anything. My fixtures are all modern and look great. Just change the bulb and walk away
Yeah. There are literally hundreds of designs
Here's a thought...dont buy cheap LED lights from big box stores. You're just asking for trouble. Pay the extra money and purchase from reliable companies that warranty their products for 5 years or more. Dont skimp. Most reliable companies use better diodes that last longer the more they are used.
2 years old, brand name, must replace them 40$ each. I’ll not stand for this scam, I’ll rather pay an electrician to replace all with classic Edison bulb receptacle, 1 $ LED bulb a piece and peace of mind for me.
This is precisely why I am not going to put integrated LED fixtures in my own home.
2yrs?? All the LED lights I've seen last at least 5yrs. And mine says it should last 10yrs.
Yes, and yes, stick with one company, I’ve had mine for four years and two went bad, they’ve replaced it for 3/4 of the price because they uphold their warranty.
Who, what company please?
Hugh? Led's last a very long time.
LED's fail in two years? Better look up the figures on how long LED lights last.
I just slab a regular LED bulb lol
So, in summary, I am to be careful with integrated LED lights because I may at some point in the future have two different style lights in separate rooms? Wow, I sure am glad you caught me before....oh wait...every room in my house already has different style lights.
This a brokemans worry
I live in a somewhat slummy apartment that uses superficial aesthetic like this. The week we moved in, the kitchen fixture fell on me, and I'm glad it was so lightweight. They also spray painted the bathroom sink and shower stall, rendering them unsafe and ugly once the paint peeled off.
Was this an apartment building with a live in Superintendent or Handyman? If a light fixture is falling off the ceiling, the worker has NO PRIDE for his/her work.
I'm distracted by those eyes...wow!
That is a stupid reason, makes no sense
What LED lights are you buying that only last two years. These things last decades as long as you don’t break the bulb. Even if you left them on constantly 24 hours a day seven days a week they last years.
They last more than two years, you didn’t do your research, going on eight!
LEDs suck. They don’t last nearly as long as it says and you can’t simply replace the LED. Going bad to bulb fixtures and be done.
THANKS SCOTT, FOR SHARING THIS GOOD ADVICE…let us make a decision 🤔💚💚💚
Tough call, so many of the fixtures to choose from now are integrated. Kind of forcing your hand to go that direction. 🤷♂️
@@EverydayHomeRepairs AMEN ,BROTHER 🤗 I have always loved new technology, but so many times it doesn’t live up to the promises…specifically with lighting ,remember CFL’s,but I think LED’s are an improvement and as time goes on we will be able to find the better ones, and also a lower price 🤷♂️
Considering you can buy a 16 pack of recessed wafer LEDs for $100 and can literally choose what color you want, your points are invalid. Not to mention the cost of light bulbs are expensive, bulky, and generally use more energy. Not sure why you would be replacing these after 2 years. LEDs should last thousands of hours. Have had these in our home for 5 years and not one has gone bad