It kinda makes sense that Lord Debling dropped Pen immediately cause he wasnt in it for love and all. He just wanted a practical marriage so he can leave. That man wanted no drama
Same as Pen. But the thing is that although she would have repined for Colin, she would have been faithful. He wanted devotion, when he wasn't offering the same. If push came to shove, they would have had a decent chance of getting along fine and Pen would have been up for it. Much better to have them getting engaged and Debling allowing her to follow her heart, or even dying off screen on his travels and Colin stepping in at that point
It doesn't make sense for lord Debling not looking for love and not becoming a challenge for Colin to overcome. Who cares about his travelling when we watch upper Londoon vanity fair for the third season already? He doesn't deliver and that's why he feels empty.
@@kikidevine694 But if you're looking for any woman to check the box, why would you take the risk of marrying someone in love with another man knowing you will be leaving her alone for YEARS at a time? But I do get the frustration because him realizing she's unsuitable and rejecting her adds nothing to their arcs. Pen getting everything she wants besides love and rejecting it because love is more important to her would have been character development, however I don't think Debling should have been falling in love with her because then that makes him the better choice. That pits someone who has seen how great you are from the beginning against someone who has taken a decade to notice and want you.
There are too many plot lines going on, it took too much focus off Pen and Colin. They should have just focused Penelope/Colin, Eloise/Cressida, and Debling since they all interconnected and impact the main couple imo.
Yeah. This show has always had a lot of characters. It kinda seems like since Penelope isn’t conventionally attractive, they decided to make this a side character season.
I had a total different take on Lord Debling. He wants a wife who pursues her own passions because he pursues his. Most of the debutantes mold themselves to their needs of their husbands-they would be a poor match to him. He is showing more kindness than most men in that age. He shielded her from the balloon basket. Thought about how to court Pen with no male relative. Truthfully he was the kind of husband Pen set out to find. One that would value her privacy and treat her kindly.
Except Penelope wanted to find love. She didnt love Lord Debling. He was a practitical partner and if Colin hadnt finally stepped up, she would have married him...but would she really be happy?
I don't. I enjoyed the B plots (some more, some less). I was particularly interested in Francesca's plotline, since it will be the prequel of season 6 (if they won't change the order again). I think the scenes between Pen and Colin were always meaningful, they had a role in their story. If they had more, their plot would be either watered down, or very melodramatic. Now the makers found the sweet spot for me. The ending of episode 4 was deserved but not too late.
@@EleanorfromNeverland Right? And I think some people forget just how many plotlines were in the other 2 seasons - and how some scenes, even small ones, were Polin focused and would usually have been in those first 4 episodes with the pining and refusal to acknowledge someone’s own feelings - because sir, those are not generally things you say to friends or looks you share with them
I was really excited about this season; the shorts built up so much excitement. But to be honest, I was a little disappointed. This season, I feel like they did the main couple a disservice by rushing and focusing too much on other characters.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who felt a bit let down 😭 the pacing was way too fast after the last two seasons? I’m sure there will be major drama upcoming the last 4 episodes but I won’t hold my breath
Don’t read this, spoilers I wanted more DESIRE from the men 😢. That line gave me the ick. Maybe the internet marketed him as too good of a man, open to new things. But turns out, he was almost along the lines of a gatekeeping hipster. He was shopping for a wife who would take on most of the burden of society & tradition, so he can go live an unconventional “free” life traveling the world. Kdramas do love triangles better. Hoping part 2 would be better. ❤
It’s even more confusing because he’s a man in this world and as far as we’ve seen that means he can literally do ANYTHING. Like yes, he’s a lord but that’s the lowest rung of the ladder. He has no nephew? Cousin? A male heir not directly of his line? Otherwise idk why he’s doing this. He doesn’t seem connected to his family in any way so there is no pressure there the way Anthony had family pressure to marry.
I feel like he was a very realistic character, most men like that end up being just like that. However I wish that in this fantasy world, they kept it fantasy to make the plot more interesting.
Spoilers**** I wanted Lord Debbling to want her. I wanted him to propose. I wanted Penelope to realize that she can't let Colin go, and turn Debbling down. I wanted the carriage scene to be motivated not by self pity that Colin would never love her, but instead Pen realizes that Colin occupies too much of her head and heart, that she can't accept a proposal from a good, man who loves her because of Colin. I think that would have been more satisfying.
But that would be so cliché. This was interesting for me. - Fuck you for fucking up my opportunity for a stable but loveless marriage! - But I love you! *pause for pleasure* So what about a stable and loving marriage?
I feel that Bridgerton’s biggest problem is that it has too few episodes per season while simultaneously trying to develop a lot of side plots to set up future seasons. For me, it doesn’t work well. I skimmed through season one because I wasn’t that interested in Simon and Daphne’s story so I didn’t mind the 8 episodes but when I got to Kate and Anthony’s season it was killing me. The romance felt so rushed that sometimes I wondered how characters fell in LOVE and weren’t just lusting for each other. For Pen and Colin I wished I had seen their friendship at its most intimate and fun points and not just “oh we like making snide comments at parties from time to time”. I still enjoyed it but it has not lived up to my expectations and I doubt it will with it moving onto the plot of unmasking Whistledown.
Agree! The episodes feel too short to actually develop anything I didn't mind it that much with the first two seasons, since the main characters actually met when the series started, but Pen and Colin are supposed to be long time friends, so the lack of their friend interactions is really disappointing They did so well with Queen Charlotte season, every episode hit me right in the feels. But the romance feels too forced this time. I haven't read the books, so maybe that's my problem, but still, the screen feels empty. I'm more interested in Francesca and her love story, as well as their mother
Seriously, I'm wondering how they're going to resolve all of these plotlines in the span of 4 episodes. Especially the Lady Whistledown reveal to Colin, that by itself could be 4 whole episodes.
@@blank_line Agreed. Queen Charlotte balanced all the plot elements really well but I think Bridgerton's main issue is the lack of episodes combined with their enormous cast. I like the cast, every member is great but the writer's are not good at balancing the cast screen time with the main couple. S1 didn't really have that issue if my memory serves me correctly since it was setting the world up yet Simon and Daphne were given lots of time together and pining for each other but S2 and especially S3 are really bad at fleshing the romance out fully and giving the couples the screen time they deserve. S2 did the yearning REALLY well but the ending got rushed and S3 got the pining all wrong by not having Colin chase for Penelope's attention more
@@Risingofthephoenix If I'm commenting on how I don't know how they're going to RESOLVE the Lady Whistledown plot in 4 episodes, that means that I obviously know there are 4 episodes left of an 8 episode season.
Glad I'm not the only one who wanted more of Lord Debbling development. Also, I wanted him to fight for Pen rather than just give up so quickly... Didn't seem in character. And I wanted Colin to have to WORK to win back Pen!They should've replaced all the Mondrich storyline with more Lord Debbling x Pen development ❤
Nah the Mondriches arc was a good way to be more self-aware about the class divides in Bridgerton so stuff like Eloise's activism seems less performative. Imho the Benedict fuckbuddy storyline was so much more superfluous, since he's essentially been doing that since S1...
Actually I think dumping Pen was more in character but he admits that he doesnt love Pen, rather he finds her a "practical" partner. His reason for finding a wife isnt love but someone to watch over his estate and who had their own passions so she wouldnt mind staying alone while he went out traveling. So considering that, it makes perfect sense how he acted. I like the Mondrichs. Unless Benedicts relationship with the widow goes somewhere, I'm not sure what the point of this story is. I also dont like that they are setting Violet up with Lady Danbury's brother. Why can't a widow stay a widow without being paired up with someone? I dont see why Violet can't continue living in the Bridgerton manor...she still has children to look after. And I honestly can't see her with anyone but her husband, Lord Bridgerton. She has found her love and lost her love...but she still has her family. Why can't they make her story more about finding happiness in spite of losing her beloved instead of her finding love again?
@@kpoppy9635 I disagree that Violet can't find love again. It has been over a decade since Edmund died and if she's wants that, she deserves to find a partner again. BUT I will say it never occurred to me before that she still has Gregory and Hyacinth to raise (they really are both kids still) and it would be bizarre to just leave them with Anthony and Kate. It's not like they're their parents. Like, is Kate supposed to take on the responsibility of mothering them? What exactly is supposed to happen according to their society's norms?
I liked Lord Debling. The actor is very attractive and gave a personality that was left off the page. The way he was written has potential but what they did to him was such a waste. In fact he seemed to respect Penelope from a different perspective from Colin and they threw that away. The Prince Lord Debling Please Bridgerton writers make compelling second leads
He respected her, momentarily and then shamed her for caring for him as little as he cared about her. They should have made it more difficult for Pen to decide between him and Colin.
I liked his characters but we got crumbs and it was frustrating, I wanted to see him genuinely develop an interest in Penn's personality, because she needed that confidence boost. But ending of their relationship was really disappointing because his character was not set up this way. He genuinely wanted someone similar to him with their own interests but then dismissed her because Colin had feelings from her? mhh....He just wanted a wife to pop off babies and them abandon her, yet does not expect her to be desired by someone else?
If I were living in that era and I have no romantic attachment to anyone, I'd want to marry Lord Debling. He sounds like a guy who will respect my privacy and let me do my own thing. He's barely at home thou, then again, maybe it's for the best too.
An aro/ace kind of marriage. Lord Debling encourages his wife to pursue her passions and don't tie her entire being to 'womanhood'. He truly is the progressive husband of his times
i'd love to marry him if i lived in that era. i'd have no problems eating only vegetables as i'm already vegan (except b12 deficiency haha i guess we'd live a little less than everyone else or i'd have to eat dirt to have that nice cobalamin).
I would've loved if they spent more time focusing on their lessons. And that in those lessons, we were able to see them discover what they want, need, and would like in their marriages and partners. Because Pen and Colin only know each other as friends, and i think this would have been a great chance for them to see each other in a different light and discover they're actually a great fit romantically also. This could've built more attraction, intimacy, passion, and all the things we love about the show.
I'm glad m not the only one to feel this way. This entire season felt rushed. TOO MANY DIFF PLOT LINES. Debling was a very 2D character and I wanted so much from him... I wanted us to have a second lead syndrome and seriously consider if he was a better fit for our Pen. Like you said, I wanted Pen to feel that she was desired and to make Colin see that someone other than him can recognize her brilliance and that she could end up with that someone, giving rise to an urgency or desperation in Colin which would've been the perfect lead up to the carriage scene( the scene brilliant but lead up to it meh) Also Colin was forgiven way too soon. I wanted him to earn her favour back and get jealous in the process and yearn for her attention. And Benedict's character provided the show with it's nudity quota and nothing beyond. I've so much more to say but will limit it till here, sorry for the long para, i needed to vent this out 🙈
We didnt get to see colin desire pen the way she desired him. We should of seen a longer build up. Like yes their story has been going on the longest. But weve only seen pen pining for colin. For 2years. And only 2 episodes of colin realising his feelings for her? Seriously?
Exactly! When he finally confessed his feelings to her in the carriage, it didn’t seem truly authentic because the lack of build up of his feelings wasn’t demonstrated enough, because again, he and Pen barely got the screen time to allow for it.
I was okay with Debling not being in love with Pen, but would be good to have him still fight with Colin for her affection and hand, presenting an alternative marriage. The way he dumped her just like that the moment he found out she loved Colin, even though he’d made it clear he didn’t love her was so awkward and abrupt.
I never read any of the novels so I'm going by what is presented on the show. The thing they should have changed more obviously is Penelope's confidence. She keeps telling her man how undesirable she is and that doesn't make for good romance. If they had shown her to become more confident with his lessons, more glowing with the belief that she is worthy of attention, that would have changed her enough to make him really want her. At it is, the thing he likes most about Penelope is that she appreciates him and believes in him. Cool? I thought he had his mother for that. I think the biggest flaw of this season is the writers' lack of confidence in their female lead.
Eh, that would've been too cliché. I think this season is all about true authenticity and, especially, identity. Colin has lost his, trying to become what society expects of him because old him was labeled as "lame" for being sensitive. Penelope TRIES to do something similar to please her suitors, but the clothes and her newfound confidence in wearing them don't fundamentally change her and give her the social skills she expected they would. Being a little clumsy is just who she is. Same thing with Francesca and her more introverted nature. The point is that only Colin& Penelope (and maybe his mom, like you pointed out) really know each other's core. And they're comfortable in simply BEING around each other, embarrassing little quirks and all. Ultimately, I think being together will make them both thrive in presenting their true selves to everyone WITHOUT caring if they approve of it or not, instead of becoming completely different people
I know what you mean but i think the backgrounds were done to avoid copyright? Perhaps they are using more footage than fair-use agreement covers. And this was the way to alter the footage.
It literally sparked motion sickness for me and I would be concerned about anyone with epilepsy that watches it. There really are better ways to avoid copyright without having a background that isn’t flashing. Unfortunately I can’t really watch this video but only read the comments.
I agree with your sentiments! I also felt that because there was no laser focus on Polin, their steamy scenes fell short for me. It felt like there was no buildup because the focus was too varied.
What I hated the most (like almost everyone else) were the plots, and I'm talking specifically about three of them; Kent's, Benedict's and Violet's. Why? Because they DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THERE. (Spoilers btw) Kent's plot(I say kent because I don't remember their names) was all a waste of time. Not even relevant to the main couple because they have NO connection to either Penelope or Colin(Other than Colin being a patron to the bar). Benedict's plot is the same plot as every other season, simple and basic. The writers keep saying he needs more development, and yet we haven't learned anything new other than that he drools over some MILF with the "I'm not like the others!" issue. Violet's plot is cute and really well produced unlike the other two I mentioned, but it wasn't that needed. The only plots that I think are worthwhile are the Eloise/Cressida and Frannie plots. As someone else said, the Eloise/Cressida plot is already connected to the main couple, so it makes perfect sense for it to be there. Frannie's plot on the other hand is super important to her season, so I loved it too (John Stirling, you'll end me). I did notice something though, and that is that all the plots have the same pattern of change in common (All the plots are caused by an unexpected change in their lives), the theme of Polin's love story, and HOPEFULLY they will make sense when part 2 comes out🤠
***S3 Spoilers*** I’m glad about how they did Lord Debling. I was scared I would continue to prefer him over Colin. His purpose in finding a wife was an ick, in the best way. It made me prefer Collin (if only for the last 40 minutes of episode 4). Because Pen deserved love. If it didn’t pan out this way, and he did love and want her, I’d find it hard to be content with her then running back to Collin. Colin also doesn’t know that he didn’t love her, all he knows is that Debling was going to propose. Not the reason why. So I think from that jealousy perspective it still worked. I’m also glad Collin didn’t get into any tussles or loud and aggressive scenes over Penelope. This comes from my own preference and Im aware of that but with that said, I hate the way the duke and Anthony act. The ‘and it is not far enough!’ Scene and whatever Hasting’s equivalent was, were totally unattractive to me. Anthony overall only felt like he had lust for Kate, and the aggressive sniffing wherever she walked in every scene and screaming that he ‘has been struggling to keep composure’ in that specific scene doesn’t help fight that narrative. Collin was always more polite and loving than his brothers (aka not spending all his time at a whore house, something I look down on the other men in this show for *a lot* and why I was very disappointed with his little threesome.) and that was what made me like him the most. It would also be very out of character and I don’t believe Penelope would find that kind of immaturity attractive either. I get that people like that kind of protectiveness and obsession, but in this series it shows itself more as childishness and objectification/lust. Collin shows love, respect and compassion for Penelope easily, without embarrassing himself (except when rumour spread of him helping her, I guess). That was a lot thx for reading 🫶
No, straight up, Debling also implies in his break up speech that if he and Pen were to marry, she would more likely than not cheat on him with Colin the second he went off on his Antarctic tour- which is funny as hell, because _everyone_ can see just how down bad they are for each other, but also so disrespectful??? He gets so cold when she's fishing for his feelings towards developing love later in a marriage, and then jumps to that assumption, and like... where did that characterisation come from???
Thank you. I was wondering. He coldly says he doesn’t know if he could ever love her, but doesn’t want anyone who has affection for another. A little one sided. It was good Penelope got away.
The passion and chemistry between daphne and the Duke in season 1 was honestly the standard ✨ The season focused on their love story so well. It was a bit less focused in season 2, where i felt that too many other things were going on instead of focusing on Anthony and Kate (the sister plot still makes me so uncomfortable EURGHH) but anyways! I was taking season 2 for granted apparently! Because season 3 part 1 is even WORSE. Francesca is a total bore, and a weirdo at best. Her character is so dry i cringed through most of her scenes. With the bridgerton writers trying to juggle the eloise/cressida arc, Danburys brother and Violet Bridgerton, Francesca's debut and Polin, i feel like theyre trying to juggle too much plot without focusing on the main couple (which should be the focus of attention!) I miss season 1 and its originality. The romance and charm of the balls. Entire dance sequences in which we just melt into how well the characters blend into one big family. Proper back stories and exposition into traumas and struggles. In season 1, we saw the duke's life struggles with having a child and continuing his lineage, and how daphne melted his heart. In season 2, we saw anthony struggle with accepting love and finding it unnecessary, yet his passion for kate knows no bounds. In season 3? Nothing. Its just... Not the same. Colin literally says "i wouldnt touch penelope with a ten foot pole." AND THEN THEY KISS IN THE 2ND EPISODE? AND THE CARRIAGE SCENE?! Sorry to offend, but it feels like he doesnt deserve her. He did no grovelling, no overthinking, no crying, no desperation. He saw deblin as an opponent, and decided to claim penelope. Suddenly. With no proper reasoning or emotional reason. That wasnt the case in season 1 and 2. We understood every breath the main couple took. But its just not the same. Also! Colin was so reserved and shy in the first 2 seasons. Like we knew literally nothing about him except that he's always off on travels. Suddenly, he's a man whore just like everyone else? We literally loved him for his decency. For the first few episodes, he's whoring around happily. And suddenly in the last episode, he gets an epiphany and wonders to his friends "what if I don't want to do what other men do for fun?" Like excuse me? I feel like the writers are trying to give Colin a level of depth that is kind of impossible to provide. Unlike the duke and Anthony, we get no childhood trauma flashbacks. We have no idea what his goals are, what he wants to be, why he is the way he is. I suppose that is why we weren't able to enjoy Colin as the main lead like we did with Anthony. Because in season 1, we just Anthony was a jerk and trying to marry Daphne off to an old guy. But! When it was Anthony's turn to be the main lead male...... THEY DID HIS CHARACTER JUSTICE! We literally understand him now, even if we think he's still kind of a wimp 😅 But we don't know anything about Colin. We know a lot about Penelope though. And it's a shame, how badly one sided this love story is. Penelope isn't even a thought in his mind, yet Colin is her entire world. We don't see any of their friendship grow, we see no flashbacks, nothing. Its just..... So empty. I prefer season 1 any day of the year. What a shame really. So much promotional content, yet the season is empty of the magic and beauty that Bridgerton used to have.
THIS. THIS. THIS. SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY. I mean, it was so disappointing because I FELT NOTH-ING. NO YEARNING . ANYTHING PUT THIS ON IMDB GURL!
You said it perfectly. I never was a fan of S1 but the Duke and Daphne were both very clear centres of their seasons, S2 was fab but we lacked any Kate or Sharma history/background in favour of Featherington escapades but S3! Which is literally about childhood friends we get no flashbacks or mentions of their shared history?? Insane
I was incredibly irritated that everyone was like omg Pen you landed Debling because of Colin helping you! When really… no? Like yes she took his advice I suppose but their initial attraction and interaction was just them being self deprecating together. Pen didn’t see him as an option and thus was real with him. The “Colin teaching Pen” plotline was such a waste of time. Nothing came of it! She could’ve just been friends with him and had the same outcome. Like she’s lost Eloise and so Colin steps in like I’ll be your friend as best I can! And then she could ask him to kiss her as a friend etc etc. a friend giving advice. Etc. having Eloise being loud and letting everyone know Colin was doing this seems to literally only exist so lady whistledown had to bad mouth Penelope. This way later in the season (I assume) she can be like “I spoke badly of everyone! Even myself! I do what must be done!” But it just felt so weird. Why is everyone fixated? They’ve been friends for years if not a full decade+ and she has no male relative as others state during the show! Like would this shock anyone?? Really?? No one was like omg Anthony helping Daphne she must be pathetic!
I also found the teaching plotline completely useless and unnecessary . I mean, Colin did not even teach her a single thing, the way you usually see in movies. Their so called classes were pretty much them just chatting about something else. Furthermore, I do not recall Colin ever giving her any feedback on how to improve ..
Omg that’s exactly what I thought, he didn’t really choose pen like I expected. He kinda just showed a little interest and let the two ladies fight over him and not really giving a favor to either, he just wasn’t as into pen as I thought he would and just kinda boring
Fr, I wish they had added 2 more episodes to really not rush through so much. I watched so many cast interviews so I was hyped for Cressida but there wasn’t enough there for me to care as much as I was hoping I would 😭
I honestly find the show preferable to the books in almost every single aspect, but they REALLY dropped the ball in introducing this new character. I think we were all sold on the idea that Lord Debbling would be in love with Pen, but then he seemed to be interested in her solely for convenience which was honestly sad. He had like one good scene and I feel that his character is completely written off. I can understand that they needed something to bring Colin and Pen together that wasn’t the big plot of the books as the show is going about that in a different route, but it just wasn’t well implemented and it makes me sad.
I thought it was strange that Lord Debling said he wasn't sure he had room in his heart to love even his wife, and then left Penelope cold when he realized she loved Collin and not him. So, he wants a woman to love him, but he doesn't have to love her back?
Where did you get that he wants a woman to love him? He's explicit that he wants an independent, practical match. His problem is that a wife who takes a lover would reflect poorly on him and call his heir(s) into question.
@elisabethpuck He does not say the heir part but it is implied when he says he is leaving for 3 years and cannot have a wife whose affections are engaged elsewhere. He's not expecting her to love him, just not love someone else. He does say he is looking for a wife to run his estate and give him children but he doesn't know if love will be a part of it.
Lord Debling’s character felt like an interesting foil to Colin’s. Debling knows what he’s interested in, what his values are and what he’s looking for in marriage. He’s self assured and doesn’t care what the ton thinks of him. Colin, on the other hand, is trying too hard to fit into a charismatic rake archetype, in order to fit in with the ton. Colin is struggling to form his own self identity and doesn’t really know what he wants. I actually really liked Lord Debling and I can relate to the idea of wanting partnership rather than romance but since he never felt like he was a serious romantic contender, it was obvious their courtship was never going to work out. I also really wish Penelope actually had the choice to choose between Colin and Lord Debling. I really wanted Penelope to come to the realization that even though Lord Debling was a suitable practical match for her, what she really wants and deserves to have is romance. It felt flat for Lord Debling to end the courtship and tell Penelope directly that she deserves romance, I wanted her to come to that realization internally.
I came across your channel from the previous vids about Penelope and her book, so the entire time I watched Bridgerton today I was thinking about you and what you had said about the novel. Obviously, I'm excited to hear your thoughts on the season. I felt Lord Debling was a very nice, genuine man but I found him a little flat, given that he is seen by others as a bit eccentric and he is openly fine with that. I didn't expect anything wacky or anything but maybe just more... enthusiasm about himself or other things? Funny enough the lovely gentleman who likes to sit in silence with Francesca had so much more light when he was interested in something. His line about Pen being able to make someone whither with a look was so sexy. I wish that energy had stayed, but he was too often ... wallpaper? He was nice, which a lot of these men aren't. I still like him, because he's open minded and patient. But he became droll. Personally... I believe he told Pen all of that about having a wife to stay home was because he believed that would be what makes her happiest and he was fine with that. I think if he had caught the attention of a woman who is interested in traveling to strange lands, he would be happy to take her? He seems like he wants someone he gets along with who won't hang on him for their personality like many of the women of the Ton. He liked that Cressida "shared" his interests and he did perk up and Pen faking her interest poorly lost her esteem with him in the moment, but when Pen was honest about not sharing those interests he swung back to her. I think he is attracted to self-assured people and wants a wife he can get along with. He's nice. I was hoping for more sparkle.
I absolutely love that line when he and Pen first talked with each other. It got me flustered the same way Pen did. So it was really sad to see how things played out. I hate to say that episode 4 felt a bit anticlimactic.
Lord Debling's highest selling point is that a match with him is "convenient".It is perfect for a woman who wants to settle down and get married because she has no other prospects. In that case, he would be an ideal husband for many. Caring, allows his wife a certain amount of freedom (Of course not enough to travel with him), and has good money. For someone who can find their happiness and satisfaction in just listening to their husband's exotic travels while they await dutifully for his return, he's perfect. But that kind of married life is so far removed from what the viewers imagined for Pen, that he didn't feel like an option at all. A 2nd male lead should be perceived as an active threat by both the 1st male lead and the viewers. But because everything with Debling was so... lukewarm, he didn't once pose as a threat to collin. A threat would be someone who was in love with Pen and pursued her relentlessly, but Debling only had convenience to offer and not love.
I enjoyed this season a lot but in terms of actual romance, more care was given to Francessca and John (whom i adore btw nothing against them) then to polin. With all the side plots this season, the show would function musch better as a serialised soap like eastenders rather then 8 tightly packed eps on Netflix
I wished they focused on Pen and Colin more instead of starting x number of plots. We needed more of Pen blossoming and learn how awesome she is. Colin trying to understand her relationship with Pen, and more flirting and fighting for her. We barely got romance between them. They deserved more. 😢
I agree with all you said, but let's not forget there are 4 more epsidoes release în a month before the end of the season. We don't know yet what will be în second part, tho i suspect they will focus on her secret reveal
I actually love that he takes a step back the moment he sees Colin's feelings. Why would he or anyone chase someone who isn't interested nor shares your views? That's a waste of time. H
Okay, unpopular opinion, but there was too much self-pity for Penelope this season! I wanted her to be strong, to be desirable. I don't believe such a clever woman with intricate schemes how to sell her paper with the smallest cost would suddenly become so shy and wouldn't have known what to say in the company of a man. She had never been shy with Colin, and she liked him the most. Why would she suddenly become shy and unconfident with people who she doesn't even care about? I feel like she was pitying herself in every scene she was in! Every romantic or erotic scene started as "oh poor Penelope, let's console her". Where's the dark horse powerful woman behind a wallflower facade we all loved in the first two seasons?
I feel like after her glow-up the men around her needed to be intimidated by her! And that's why she couldn't get herself a suitor. And Colin's lessons were not needed, he just wanted a way to approach her not to seem like he suddenly became one of the suitors as well. I wanted Penelope to casually call Colin her friend, and Colin to be flushed and visibly uncomfortable with that word, not the other way around! What we got instead was one kiss out of pity, and then Colin suddenly wants this woman. It's lazy writing!
And! She certainly shouldn't have been made a comic relief of the season! That's what her family is for! Why should we laugh at Pen for her clumsy men approaches, when we could have been in awe with her and her beauty and her wit?
I feel like they didn't have enough faith in Colin being the better love interest that could write Lord Debling in a better way. I think they wanted to avoid people shipping them together, so they had to nuke his personality so that Colin would seem better. It's a real shame, because he had such a interesting character for someone who was only in 3 episodes. The writers realized they flew a little too close to the sun with Debling and had to immediately backtrack so that the focus would be on Polin.
Yeaaaah. I was not a fan when he suddenly said hey I just need a lady who takes care of my home while I go do my thing and nope I don't think I can love you since I love only one thing. Like dude, you were being sweet and understanding and even empowering her in the start, so where was this coming from??? Also, him proposing and then just running away was stupid. Ig it was his real face that suddenly showed itself. But it seems more like they just made him go out too fast. Anyhoo, disappointing. Because I was really looking forward to seeing more from him so he could rile up colin and get that idiot to see who he was losing. But then, not enough time was given TO THE MAIN COUPLE'S STORYLINE THIS YEAR WHICH IS SO STUPID AND BAFFLING!!!
It does make sense that Debling just went "lol ok byeee" after he noticed the unresolved feelings between Pen and Colin. He'd be gone soon after their marriage and they didn't have that much mutual trust built up yet, nor did he feel genuine love for her or vice versa. He straight up tells her so. He wanted a practical match, and let's be honest, the chances of Pen cheating on him with Colin in his 3 YEARS (!!!) of absence were not off the table whatsoever. Debling's a smart man.
My best guess is that Debling is meant for Eloise in a future season. The trip is a plot device to get him to leave until it’s her turn as lead. I am also guessing that he will marry Cressida in this season, but then have something happen to that relationship. When he returns from his travels, he will grow closer to Eloise because of her friendship with Cressida. He was somewhat disappointing in this season, but I think it’s meant as a signal that it’s not his time, yet.
Another person said it already but yeah no, Eloise ends up with someone else. But, maybe he do ends up with Cressida? So far his interest and Cressida's line up a bit, knowing how he want to pursue his own dreams while giving plenty of space for his future wife to pursue her own. Perfect for Cressida since she hasn't been able to learn things about herself due to her family and sht, so having a marriage that gives her stable living and enough freedom will be perfect. Kinda like what happened to Marina, she marries off Phillip yet there's no attachment and she is as free as she can be.
I thought it was sensible of Lord Debling to break things off with Penelope rather than try to pursue things even further, which would have complicated the relationship. After Cressida had mentioned to him about the Bridgertons living across from the Featheringtons, it clicked in Lord Debling’s mind the fondness she has for Colin. Especially given that her favorite seat in the house is by the window, facing directly out towards the Bridgerton residence. Debling had specified to Pen that he was looking for a practically match, not necessarily love, due to his extensive travels. This was the deciding factor for ending things with her.
... I loved him. He seemed so gentle and sweet, incredibly easy going. He's exactly what most of the girls at the time would adore. I kinda want him to get with Cressida so she can be in charge of herself and breathe freely and invite Eloise over all the time. He's not a good match for Pen personality wise though I think she'd be happy enough even while wishing for a love match. I was actually rooting for him but i understand that he's dropping Pen not just to keep things simple but also because I think he believes someone like her SHOULD go for what her heart wants, just as his longs to explore.
Lord debling certainly had a lot of fondness and a lot of warmth towards penelope, but it did not come off like he was in LOVE with her. I was hoping for that for her. But I do think that penelope had a bit of an awakening moment during the balloon scene in which Lord debling saves her because she has never had a man so vehemently protect her. Also, the fact that he did not fight for her. After realizing it, there might be some feelings between Colin and Penelope was weird. Because if you have such a fondness for this woman, I imagine you would want to fight to keep her in some regard.
I feel the opposite of everyone who is saying they want more Pen and Colin. I think were got a very good amount that didn't take away from the story or romance, unlike how Anthony and Kates season went. With all it's useless plot lines and triangle. Lord Dealing was disappointing because like you said I wanted him to be in love with Pen and make her feel love and passion, to really drive Colin crazy and make Pen chose.
I am hoping that the Pen/Colin storyline will continue into season 4 (despite me wanting happy ending and having to wait). I too had hoped for more looks of longing and angst from Colin, and more time spent with Debling. It is true - the PR around Debling was building him to be a fascinating, viable character only to feel like he more annoyed than upset with Pen at the ball.
Excited that I just finished the eps today cause I’ve been looking forward to watching your videos about it. Literally as soon as Penelope said she was interested in nature this man lost all his personality traits lmao
If I’m being so terribly honest, I skipped alllllll content other than the scenes with pen and Colin in them. I will be doing the same for the next episodes
He was disappointing! But I think it's better that way. Haha. I think he just dropped Pen because he knows Pen is in LOVE with Colin. haha. He noticed it since it was established that she loves sitting and looking out her window. When Cressida revealed that the Bridgertons live directly in front of the Featheringtons' house. He knew. Immediately. HAHA. His face was 😑. HAHAHA Then Pen looking at Colin or seeking Colin out during social events. Maybe he knows in his heart he has no chance if he competes with Colin. HAHA. It was really good to see Colin sweat. HAHA. Enjoyed it so far! Happy to see a lot from the books were kept.
I think it makes a lot of sense for him to dump her. He is away a lot, she will be alone. She loves someone who is her friend and will probably spend time with here when he is gone. He probably has doubts about her being faithful and dosn't want to trap her in a relationship that will make her dream of something else
Lord Debling is a very reasonable man, that didn't find any reason to "fight for" or "persuade" Penelope on to a marriage when he clearly saw that she had feelings for her male-friend. So it was perfectly ok for him to drop her, it did hurt her and the audience feelings but making them all a triangle love would have been out of character and super toxic.
I actually liked how non-cliché it was. I don’t think he’s bad or anything. He has different expectations. I thought it was even a bit refreshing, because it’s a normal reaction. Colin did make a scene.
Its sad that promotion built up Penelope as seeing her worth and being the diamond in the rough, but the only man who wanted her other than Colin was for practical reasons? Like i get that she wont have a gaggle of men suddenly liking her, but she shouldve at least got Debling actually loving her as he courts her. It wouldve made Colin have more competition, but it would be more about Penelope choosing between her desires and a good man who saw her value from the get go, the war between the heart and the mind
I for one am fine with how he was. After a whole season of a love triangle I am more than fine we did not get it here. Although if I could rewrite it I would have him be very int Pen instead. However, I just figured they changed this due to well a love match for everyone in that era was just not always a big deal. For Cressida especially, she is fine without love so long as the man treats her well and more importantly is her choice as she said. It is sad and I wish for her to find love, but in a show set in this time period we just have to accept it will not happen for every character. Also it is realistic for Pen to be ok with it as a women with a job even if it is secret to appraise her freedom in keeping Whistledown to be enough in exchange for a love match.
Ok hear me out…what if Lord Debling told Pen at that bal that she should ask herself what it is that she truły wants (or smtg like that) and just left. Then Collin kisses her like in the show and proposes, but now we’re not sure whats going to happen, since Pen has to now either accept Collin or apologize to Lord Debling and go thru with the marrige👀 imo it’d be sm more interesting
i love nerdy people and they both were nerdy! he had character but we didnt learn more. maybe cressida would travel him n they discover their passion for travels
I get that they wanted to do something different and not to do another love triangle so they don't repeat S2...but Debling is already there. The love triangle was already there based on marketing. They should have just committed to that and made the most out of the tension. Then it wouldn't have mattered that there were so many other plotlines.
Deblin was a throw away character. You're aabsolutely right in that he could have been a stronger love interest, but yeah the whole pragmatic thing was crap.
I feel like we didnt get enough of the main couple. Either they should start giving us more than 8 episodes or get rid of the sideplots bc it was entirely too much going on this season and not enough polin imo.
am i the only one who thought there was too much kate and anthony, mainly towards the beginning? like they already had their season so idk why we need to see them again 😭😭😭. that time could’ve been used for more colin and penelope or lord debling and penelope
I agree, I wanted more drama from all of this. I wanted Penelope to be the center of attention and the desired one for once. I wanted Colin to fight for her attention.
I thought about this too, but also, we have to remember that there are different types of people outthere. Lord Debling is a simple man, he kind of knows how he wants to live his life and this is reflected in choosing a wife as well. He's not extremely passionate and he doesn't look for that type of love that would keep you on your toes, he wants to settle down and go for his first love: nature. Maybe if they had made him be too passionate and in love and wanted Pen to be with him even in his travels, we would have rooted for him more than Collin lol, who has his flaws. If Lord Debling were perfect in every way, then the whole Pen+Collin thing wouldn't be as amazing as it is.
I don't know. We are 4 episodes into the season. Seems like at this juncture he was introduced to point not just Colin towards Penelope but to reveal for those in the audience who missed the build up that Colin and Penelope have mutual feelings. However I exoect more of him this season. This coincides with a complaint others have had that Polin were not featured enough. I think we forget that unlike all of the relationships blossoming, Polin is the only one that has had multiple years before its season to explore the relationship. Colin already loved her but he himself was still growing. He has shown over and over that he has been on a journey of becoming. Plus he hadn't seen her in this physical way yet. The scenes cemented things for him. He did already see Penelope in that way from the little things the clueless man missed in all the seasons. To me the true conflict was not did Colin love her or would he commit to her. The drama is in the lady whistldown reveal. Here is where you will see Polin get to know each other in this new way. I suspect that what has been planted in these 4 episodes is what will allow Penelope to stand up for herself and know her value.
I feel like at this point netflix shoudn't be doing 1 season per book... There are too many plot lines going on and things would feel more natural and interesting if they were going slower. Like, focus this season on Francesca, but keep a pace with Penelope and Colin Developing along with all the other characters and them on 4th season, do Polin with space for Benedict, 5th for Benedict with space for Eloise and it goes on... I feel like there is so much content that can happen! Or at least, give us more episodes per season! Anthony and Kate season was incredible, but I felt like there was one or two episodes missing, and now, there is at least 4 episodes missing already! I really wish we could see more of angry Penelope, Lord Debling, Jealous Colin, space for them and other characters. I'm so afraid of the next 4 cause i really think they shoudn't reveal Lady Whistledown identity rn, but they probably will just for the sake of keeping it faithful to the novel!
Spoilers! I expected Lord Dabling to be so good that in parts we would regret that Penelope chose Colin. I expected that Lord Dabling would pursue and desire her, but in fact it was Penelope who fought with Cressida for his attention (((and as soon as Penelope did something as not he expected, Lord Dabling dismissed her and did not hesitate even a minute. I have an impression that Penelope had no any other choice but Colin, and this made me sad for her ((((
the reason why lord debling fell flat is because whilst he wants to go out traveling and leaving his wife at home, colin mentioned (several times) that he wants someone to travel the world with. they're not even remotely competing when it comes to penelope, because colin wins every time. that's what the problem is, penelope would've married debling for convenience, but she knew she loved colin. it would've been more interesting to see her fall in love a little bit with debling too, and then end up choosing colin anyways. that would've made for a far more interesting plot. also the fact that francesca (who was newly introduced this season) had more character development than lord debling is why he's just not that interesting of a love interest. this season kind of sucked so far, although I'm really enjoying cressida's character development and the way things are progressing between colin and penelope. also the way they get together seems kind of unnatural, like it doesn't make sense. penelope begging colin to kiss her makes sense but then from then on out they don't really explain why colin is lusting over her. like i wish they had more scenes like the dream sequence, to really help BUILD that desire. cuz once they kissed i was kinda just like "meh?"
Debling NOT EVEN TRYING was also surprising for me because he seemed to be build as a charismatic character that was reeeally into Pen because of her chance of behaviour, trusting her "freed side" a little bit more thanks to Colin's tips. That was really strange, I'll give you that.
Not just Debling, even franchesca story was a little disappointing. 😢 not getting enough screen time to introduce her right. Mama bridgeton has her own stupid story going on.😮 it's just all messed up.
Yes...because no real connection was ever established between him and Pen. The introduction of the other young lady chasing him--every time they tried to talk--made it so he had hardly connected with her before he decided to give up. There should have been at least two of three scenes of them really connecting with each other.
It was actually disappointing cause he actually never fought for her and the time they were "kinda" courting Pen was in Cressida's shadow. It was too quick and fast. I really waited much more drama, tension, and rivalry in this season.
I wish the actress/Pen could have pined away a bit between seasons. It would have made it really dramatic to her coming out and involvement with Colin when he arrives home. Maybe he finally starts seeing her. And I dont mean ozempic pining, just a healthier glow. There was one scene at the house with colin where pen was wearing a pink thing around her neck...i thought at first it was a disease/rash.
I’m disappointed that they filled season 3(so far)with too many plot points. Just focus on the main couple like in the first two seasons. Never really liked Colin either, and I wish they gave him more depth so I can actually root for him and Pen to get together. I love Penelope(she’s my favorite character), and my girl deserves so much better!
The most sad to me was when they remove the friendship between Lady Danbury and Penelope from the book. It was one of my favourite part in the book because Penelope finally had a supportive positive female role in her life, she didn't hv that with her mother nor her sisters except maybe her younger sister which doesn't even exist in the show. They could've cut Francesca story shorter and focus more on Pen & Eloise relationship.
It kinda makes sense that Lord Debling dropped Pen immediately cause he wasnt in it for love and all. He just wanted a practical marriage so he can leave. That man wanted no drama
Same as Pen. But the thing is that although she would have repined for Colin, she would have been faithful. He wanted devotion, when he wasn't offering the same. If push came to shove, they would have had a decent chance of getting along fine and Pen would have been up for it. Much better to have them getting engaged and Debling allowing her to follow her heart, or even dying off screen on his travels and Colin stepping in at that point
It doesn't make sense for lord Debling not looking for love and not becoming a challenge for Colin to overcome. Who cares about his travelling when we watch upper Londoon vanity fair for the third season already? He doesn't deliver and that's why he feels empty.
@@iryna1722 Since he isnt in the books, they probably just gave him a superficial role to add somewhat drama. There really was no need for him.
@@baileym7105oh there was absolutely a need for him but they bottled his character so bad he basically adds nothing to the show
@@kikidevine694 But if you're looking for any woman to check the box, why would you take the risk of marrying someone in love with another man knowing you will be leaving her alone for YEARS at a time? But I do get the frustration because him realizing she's unsuitable and rejecting her adds nothing to their arcs. Pen getting everything she wants besides love and rejecting it because love is more important to her would have been character development, however I don't think Debling should have been falling in love with her because then that makes him the better choice. That pits someone who has seen how great you are from the beginning against someone who has taken a decade to notice and want you.
There are too many plot lines going on, it took too much focus off Pen and Colin. They should have just focused Penelope/Colin, Eloise/Cressida, and Debling since they all interconnected and impact the main couple imo.
I couldn't agree more. 💯
i agree with u
Exactly!!
THANK YOU! I was like "I love you all, but I NEED MORE POLIN!!!"
Yeah. This show has always had a lot of characters. It kinda seems like since Penelope isn’t conventionally attractive, they decided to make this a side character season.
I had a total different take on Lord Debling. He wants a wife who pursues her own passions because he pursues his. Most of the debutantes mold themselves to their needs of their husbands-they would be a poor match to him. He is showing more kindness than most men in that age.
He shielded her from the balloon basket. Thought about how to court Pen with no male relative. Truthfully he was the kind of husband Pen set out to find. One that would value her privacy and treat her kindly.
I agree! And I think with time he would develop stronger feelings for Penelope. He already admired her, never pittied her.
Except Penelope wanted to find love. She didnt love Lord Debling. He was a practitical partner and if Colin hadnt finally stepped up, she would have married him...but would she really be happy?
That’s true, but I wish love would have been on the table for them too because it would have given it more weight
Exactly!!
110% agreed
I think everybody agrees this season just had way too many plot lines and didn't focus enough on the main couple and what impacted them
I was kind of bored with Season 3 part one. Let's hope part 2 is a lot better. Season 2 was so good!
@@bettyray9220yess i was so bored i had to skip to polin parts
I don't. I enjoyed the B plots (some more, some less). I was particularly interested in Francesca's plotline, since it will be the prequel of season 6 (if they won't change the order again). I think the scenes between Pen and Colin were always meaningful, they had a role in their story. If they had more, their plot would be either watered down, or very melodramatic. Now the makers found the sweet spot for me. The ending of episode 4 was deserved but not too late.
@@EleanorfromNeverland Right? And I think some people forget just how many plotlines were in the other 2 seasons - and how some scenes, even small ones, were Polin focused and would usually have been in those first 4 episodes with the pining and refusal to acknowledge someone’s own feelings - because sir, those are not generally things you say to friends or looks you share with them
I was really excited about this season; the shorts built up so much excitement. But to be honest, I was a little disappointed. This season, I feel like they did the main couple a disservice by rushing and focusing too much on other characters.
Yeah, ikr? Hopefully the next 4 episodes save it somehow
The season isnt even finished
Exactly
The romance between Colin and pen was actually so underwhelming
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who felt a bit let down 😭 the pacing was way too fast after the last two seasons? I’m sure there will be major drama upcoming the last 4 episodes but I won’t hold my breath
Don’t read this, spoilers
I wanted more DESIRE from the men 😢. That line gave me the ick. Maybe the internet marketed him as too good of a man, open to new things. But turns out, he was almost along the lines of a gatekeeping hipster. He was shopping for a wife who would take on most of the burden of society & tradition, so he can go live an unconventional “free” life traveling the world.
Kdramas do love triangles better. Hoping part 2 would be better. ❤
yes!!! k dramas always make me suffer from second male lead syndrome but I couldn't fancy lord Debling
It’s even more confusing because he’s a man in this world and as far as we’ve seen that means he can literally do ANYTHING. Like yes, he’s a lord but that’s the lowest rung of the ladder. He has no nephew? Cousin? A male heir not directly of his line? Otherwise idk why he’s doing this. He doesn’t seem connected to his family in any way so there is no pressure there the way Anthony had family pressure to marry.
Asian Dramas in general do love triangles way better!!!
I feel like he was a very realistic character, most men like that end up being just like that. However I wish that in this fantasy world, they kept it fantasy to make the plot more interesting.
@@Zelda00GamerIt wasn't a matter of succession. He wants a wife to do his job (i.e. running his estate and overseing his tennants).
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I wanted Lord Debbling to want her. I wanted him to propose. I wanted Penelope to realize that she can't let Colin go, and turn Debbling down. I wanted the carriage scene to be motivated not by self pity that Colin would never love her, but instead Pen realizes that Colin occupies too much of her head and heart, that she can't accept a proposal from a good, man who loves her because of Colin. I think that would have been more satisfying.
But that would be so cliché. This was interesting for me.
- Fuck you for fucking up my opportunity for a stable but loveless marriage!
- But I love you! *pause for pleasure* So what about a stable and loving marriage?
I feel that Bridgerton’s biggest problem is that it has too few episodes per season while simultaneously trying to develop a lot of side plots to set up future seasons. For me, it doesn’t work well.
I skimmed through season one because I wasn’t that interested in Simon and Daphne’s story so I didn’t mind the 8 episodes but when I got to Kate and Anthony’s season it was killing me. The romance felt so rushed that sometimes I wondered how characters fell in LOVE and weren’t just lusting for each other.
For Pen and Colin I wished I had seen their friendship at its most intimate and fun points and not just “oh we like making snide comments at parties from time to time”. I still enjoyed it but it has not lived up to my expectations and I doubt it will with it moving onto the plot of unmasking Whistledown.
Agree!
The episodes feel too short to actually develop anything
I didn't mind it that much with the first two seasons, since the main characters actually met when the series started, but Pen and Colin are supposed to be long time friends, so the lack of their friend interactions is really disappointing
They did so well with Queen Charlotte season, every episode hit me right in the feels. But the romance feels too forced this time. I haven't read the books, so maybe that's my problem, but still, the screen feels empty. I'm more interested in Francesca and her love story, as well as their mother
Seriously, I'm wondering how they're going to resolve all of these plotlines in the span of 4 episodes. Especially the Lady Whistledown reveal to Colin, that by itself could be 4 whole episodes.
@@leonardozhang Its not 4 episodes its 8! The next 4 episodes is coming June 13th!
@@blank_line Agreed. Queen Charlotte balanced all the plot elements really well but I think Bridgerton's main issue is the lack of episodes combined with their enormous cast. I like the cast, every member is great but the writer's are not good at balancing the cast screen time with the main couple. S1 didn't really have that issue if my memory serves me correctly since it was setting the world up yet Simon and Daphne were given lots of time together and pining for each other but S2 and especially S3 are really bad at fleshing the romance out fully and giving the couples the screen time they deserve. S2 did the yearning REALLY well but the ending got rushed and S3 got the pining all wrong by not having Colin chase for Penelope's attention more
@@Risingofthephoenix If I'm commenting on how I don't know how they're going to RESOLVE the Lady Whistledown plot in 4 episodes, that means that I obviously know there are 4 episodes left of an 8 episode season.
Glad I'm not the only one who wanted more of Lord Debbling development. Also, I wanted him to fight for Pen rather than just give up so quickly... Didn't seem in character. And I wanted Colin to have to WORK to win back Pen!They should've replaced all the Mondrich storyline with more Lord Debbling x Pen development ❤
I kinda like Mondrich storyline though, they are SO cute 🥹 at least for me
@@melissasolano6243 They are cute and I like the characters but I feel like they took unneccesary time away from the main storyline
Nah the Mondriches arc was a good way to be more self-aware about the class divides in Bridgerton so stuff like Eloise's activism seems less performative. Imho the Benedict fuckbuddy storyline was so much more superfluous, since he's essentially been doing that since S1...
Actually I think dumping Pen was more in character but he admits that he doesnt love Pen, rather he finds her a "practical" partner. His reason for finding a wife isnt love but someone to watch over his estate and who had their own passions so she wouldnt mind staying alone while he went out traveling. So considering that, it makes perfect sense how he acted.
I like the Mondrichs. Unless Benedicts relationship with the widow goes somewhere, I'm not sure what the point of this story is. I also dont like that they are setting Violet up with Lady Danbury's brother. Why can't a widow stay a widow without being paired up with someone? I dont see why Violet can't continue living in the Bridgerton manor...she still has children to look after. And I honestly can't see her with anyone but her husband, Lord Bridgerton. She has found her love and lost her love...but she still has her family. Why can't they make her story more about finding happiness in spite of losing her beloved instead of her finding love again?
@@kpoppy9635 I disagree that Violet can't find love again. It has been over a decade since Edmund died and if she's wants that, she deserves to find a partner again. BUT I will say it never occurred to me before that she still has Gregory and Hyacinth to raise (they really are both kids still) and it would be bizarre to just leave them with Anthony and Kate. It's not like they're their parents. Like, is Kate supposed to take on the responsibility of mothering them? What exactly is supposed to happen according to their society's norms?
I liked Lord Debling.
The actor is very attractive and gave a personality that was left off the page.
The way he was written has potential but what they did to him was such a waste.
In fact he seemed to respect Penelope from a different perspective from Colin and they threw that away.
The Prince
Lord Debling
Please Bridgerton writers make compelling second leads
He respected her, momentarily and then shamed her for caring for him as little as he cared about her. They should have made it more difficult for Pen to decide between him and Colin.
Yes. It's a wasted opportunity to create tension which was very lacking as a whole
He is so handsome. His eyes are so blue.
I liked his characters but we got crumbs and it was frustrating, I wanted to see him genuinely develop an interest in Penn's personality, because she needed that confidence boost. But ending of their relationship was really disappointing because his character was not set up this way. He genuinely wanted someone similar to him with their own interests but then dismissed her because Colin had feelings from her? mhh....He just wanted a wife to pop off babies and them abandon her, yet does not expect her to be desired by someone else?
Yes! It ended before it began and the whole season feels rushed like there's no time for anyone really.
That’s because the season isn’t over that was part 1. The rest of the season is being released June 13th!
the polin plot was nowhere to be find?! Like it was all so sudden and out of the screen I was so confused. They barely talked in the episodes.
If I were living in that era and I have no romantic attachment to anyone, I'd want to marry Lord Debling. He sounds like a guy who will respect my privacy and let me do my own thing. He's barely at home thou, then again, maybe it's for the best too.
An aro/ace kind of marriage. Lord Debling encourages his wife to pursue her passions and don't tie her entire being to 'womanhood'. He truly is the progressive husband of his times
i'd love to marry him if i lived in that era. i'd have no problems eating only vegetables as i'm already vegan (except b12 deficiency haha i guess we'd live a little less than everyone else or i'd have to eat dirt to have that nice cobalamin).
I would've loved if they spent more time focusing on their lessons. And that in those lessons, we were able to see them discover what they want, need, and would like in their marriages and partners. Because Pen and Colin only know each other as friends, and i think this would have been a great chance for them to see each other in a different light and discover they're actually a great fit romantically also. This could've built more attraction, intimacy, passion, and all the things we love about the show.
The writers need to take note from J-Drama and K-Drama when it comes to love triangles. Lord Debling definitely did not give me Second Lead Syndrome
I'm glad m not the only one to feel this way.
This entire season felt rushed. TOO MANY DIFF PLOT LINES. Debling was a very 2D character and I wanted so much from him... I wanted us to have a second lead syndrome and seriously consider if he was a better fit for our Pen.
Like you said, I wanted Pen to feel that she was desired and to make Colin see that someone other than him can recognize her brilliance and that she could end up with that someone, giving rise to an urgency or desperation in Colin which would've been the perfect lead up to the carriage scene( the scene brilliant but lead up to it meh)
Also Colin was forgiven way too soon. I wanted him to earn her favour back and get jealous in the process and yearn for her attention.
And Benedict's character provided the show with it's nudity quota and nothing beyond.
I've so much more to say but will limit it till here, sorry for the long para, i needed to vent this out 🙈
i agree!
you voiced my disappointment so well
We didnt get to see colin desire pen the way she desired him. We should of seen a longer build up. Like yes their story has been going on the longest. But weve only seen pen pining for colin. For 2years. And only 2 episodes of colin realising his feelings for her? Seriously?
Exactly! When he finally confessed his feelings to her in the carriage, it didn’t seem truly authentic because the lack of build up of his feelings wasn’t demonstrated enough, because again, he and Pen barely got the screen time to allow for it.
I was okay with Debling not being in love with Pen, but would be good to have him still fight with Colin for her affection and hand, presenting an alternative marriage. The way he dumped her just like that the moment he found out she loved Colin, even though he’d made it clear he didn’t love her was so awkward and abrupt.
He didn't love Penelope. It was a practical arrangement to him as he said. He knew they loved each other. He did the right thing.
I never read any of the novels so I'm going by what is presented on the show. The thing they should have changed more obviously is Penelope's confidence. She keeps telling her man how undesirable she is and that doesn't make for good romance. If they had shown her to become more confident with his lessons, more glowing with the belief that she is worthy of attention, that would have changed her enough to make him really want her. At it is, the thing he likes most about Penelope is that she appreciates him and believes in him. Cool? I thought he had his mother for that. I think the biggest flaw of this season is the writers' lack of confidence in their female lead.
Eh, that would've been too cliché. I think this season is all about true authenticity and, especially, identity. Colin has lost his, trying to become what society expects of him because old him was labeled as "lame" for being sensitive. Penelope TRIES to do something similar to please her suitors, but the clothes and her newfound confidence in wearing them don't fundamentally change her and give her the social skills she expected they would. Being a little clumsy is just who she is. Same thing with Francesca and her more introverted nature. The point is that only Colin& Penelope (and maybe his mom, like you pointed out) really know each other's core. And they're comfortable in simply BEING around each other, embarrassing little quirks and all. Ultimately, I think being together will make them both thrive in presenting their true selves to everyone WITHOUT caring if they approve of it or not, instead of becoming completely different people
is it just me or were the flashing backgrounds distracting?
It is!
it hurt my eyes
I know what you mean but i think the backgrounds were done to avoid copyright? Perhaps they are using more footage than fair-use agreement covers. And this was the way to alter the footage.
It literally sparked motion sickness for me and I would be concerned about anyone with epilepsy that watches it. There really are better ways to avoid copyright without having a background that isn’t flashing. Unfortunately I can’t really watch this video but only read the comments.
I only listen and mainly read the comments (best part😂) so didn't even notice until I read your comment
I agree with your sentiments! I also felt that because there was no laser focus on Polin, their steamy scenes fell short for me. It felt like there was no buildup because the focus was too varied.
Yass girl 😑 Lord Debling was WASTED
Lord Debling has the personality of book Phillip Crane
That part!!
The same way the series switch some personality traits between Benedict and Colin.
What I hated the most (like almost everyone else) were the plots, and I'm talking specifically about three of them; Kent's, Benedict's and Violet's. Why? Because they DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THERE.
(Spoilers btw)
Kent's plot(I say kent because I don't remember their names) was all a waste of time. Not even relevant to the main couple because they have NO connection to either Penelope or Colin(Other than Colin being a patron to the bar).
Benedict's plot is the same plot as every other season, simple and basic. The writers keep saying he needs more development, and yet we haven't learned anything new other than that he drools over some MILF with the "I'm not like the others!" issue.
Violet's plot is cute and really well produced unlike the other two I mentioned, but it wasn't that needed.
The only plots that I think are worthwhile are the Eloise/Cressida and Frannie plots. As someone else said, the Eloise/Cressida plot is already connected to the main couple, so it makes perfect sense for it to be there. Frannie's plot on the other hand is super important to her season, so I loved it too (John Stirling, you'll end me).
I did notice something though, and that is that all the plots have the same pattern of change in common (All the plots are caused by an unexpected change in their lives), the theme of Polin's love story, and HOPEFULLY they will make sense when part 2 comes out🤠
***S3 Spoilers***
I’m glad about how they did Lord Debling. I was scared I would continue to prefer him over Colin. His purpose in finding a wife was an ick, in the best way. It made me prefer Collin (if only for the last 40 minutes of episode 4). Because Pen deserved love. If it didn’t pan out this way, and he did love and want her, I’d find it hard to be content with her then running back to Collin.
Colin also doesn’t know that he didn’t love her, all he knows is that Debling was going to propose. Not the reason why. So I think from that jealousy perspective it still worked.
I’m also glad Collin didn’t get into any tussles or loud and aggressive scenes over Penelope. This comes from my own preference and Im aware of that but with that said, I hate the way the duke and Anthony act. The ‘and it is not far enough!’ Scene and whatever Hasting’s equivalent was, were totally unattractive to me.
Anthony overall only felt like he had lust for Kate, and the aggressive sniffing wherever she walked in every scene and screaming that he ‘has been struggling to keep composure’ in that specific scene doesn’t help fight that narrative.
Collin was always more polite and loving than his brothers (aka not spending all his time at a whore house, something I look down on the other men in this show for *a lot* and why I was very disappointed with his little threesome.) and that was what made me like him the most. It would also be very out of character and I don’t believe Penelope would find that kind of immaturity attractive either.
I get that people like that kind of protectiveness and obsession, but in this series it shows itself more as childishness and objectification/lust. Collin shows love, respect and compassion for Penelope easily, without embarrassing himself (except when rumour spread of him helping her, I guess).
That was a lot thx for reading 🫶
No, straight up, Debling also implies in his break up speech that if he and Pen were to marry, she would more likely than not cheat on him with Colin the second he went off on his Antarctic tour- which is funny as hell, because _everyone_ can see just how down bad they are for each other, but also so disrespectful??? He gets so cold when she's fishing for his feelings towards developing love later in a marriage, and then jumps to that assumption, and like... where did that characterisation come from???
Thank you. I was wondering. He coldly says he doesn’t know if he could ever love her, but doesn’t want anyone who has affection for another. A little one sided. It was good Penelope got away.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt the same way. His scenes was very stale and boring.
The passion and chemistry between daphne and the Duke in season 1 was honestly the standard ✨ The season focused on their love story so well. It was a bit less focused in season 2, where i felt that too many other things were going on instead of focusing on Anthony and Kate (the sister plot still makes me so uncomfortable EURGHH) but anyways! I was taking season 2 for granted apparently! Because season 3 part 1 is even WORSE. Francesca is a total bore, and a weirdo at best. Her character is so dry i cringed through most of her scenes.
With the bridgerton writers trying to juggle the eloise/cressida arc, Danburys brother and Violet Bridgerton, Francesca's debut and Polin, i feel like theyre trying to juggle too much plot without focusing on the main couple (which should be the focus of attention!)
I miss season 1 and its originality. The romance and charm of the balls. Entire dance sequences in which we just melt into how well the characters blend into one big family. Proper back stories and exposition into traumas and struggles.
In season 1, we saw the duke's life struggles with having a child and continuing his lineage, and how daphne melted his heart.
In season 2, we saw anthony struggle with accepting love and finding it unnecessary, yet his passion for kate knows no bounds.
In season 3? Nothing. Its just... Not the same.
Colin literally says "i wouldnt touch penelope with a ten foot pole."
AND THEN THEY KISS IN THE 2ND EPISODE?
AND THE CARRIAGE SCENE?!
Sorry to offend, but it feels like he doesnt deserve her.
He did no grovelling, no overthinking, no crying, no desperation.
He saw deblin as an opponent, and decided to claim penelope.
Suddenly. With no proper reasoning or emotional reason.
That wasnt the case in season 1 and 2.
We understood every breath the main couple took. But its just not the same.
Also! Colin was so reserved and shy in the first 2 seasons. Like we knew literally nothing about him except that he's always off on travels. Suddenly, he's a man whore just like everyone else? We literally loved him for his decency.
For the first few episodes, he's whoring around happily. And suddenly in the last episode, he gets an epiphany and wonders to his friends "what if I don't want to do what other men do for fun?" Like excuse me?
I feel like the writers are trying to give Colin a level of depth that is kind of impossible to provide. Unlike the duke and Anthony, we get no childhood trauma flashbacks. We have no idea what his goals are, what he wants to be, why he is the way he is.
I suppose that is why we weren't able to enjoy Colin as the main lead like we did with Anthony. Because in season 1, we just Anthony was a jerk and trying to marry Daphne off to an old guy. But! When it was Anthony's turn to be the main lead male...... THEY DID HIS CHARACTER JUSTICE! We literally understand him now, even if we think he's still kind of a wimp 😅
But we don't know anything about Colin.
We know a lot about Penelope though.
And it's a shame, how badly one sided this love story is.
Penelope isn't even a thought in his mind, yet Colin is her entire world.
We don't see any of their friendship grow, we see no flashbacks, nothing.
Its just..... So empty.
I prefer season 1 any day of the year.
What a shame really.
So much promotional content, yet the season is empty of the magic and beauty that Bridgerton used to have.
my thoughts exactly!
THIS. THIS. THIS.
SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY.
I mean, it was so disappointing because I FELT NOTH-ING. NO YEARNING . ANYTHING
PUT THIS ON IMDB GURL!
You summarized nicely what I was feeling….
You said it perfectly. I never was a fan of S1 but the Duke and Daphne were both very clear centres of their seasons, S2 was fab but we lacked any Kate or Sharma history/background in favour of Featherington escapades but S3! Which is literally about childhood friends we get no flashbacks or mentions of their shared history?? Insane
I was incredibly irritated that everyone was like omg Pen you landed Debling because of Colin helping you! When really… no? Like yes she took his advice I suppose but their initial attraction and interaction was just them being self deprecating together. Pen didn’t see him as an option and thus was real with him. The “Colin teaching Pen” plotline was such a waste of time. Nothing came of it! She could’ve just been friends with him and had the same outcome.
Like she’s lost Eloise and so Colin steps in like I’ll be your friend as best I can! And then she could ask him to kiss her as a friend etc etc. a friend giving advice. Etc. having Eloise being loud and letting everyone know Colin was doing this seems to literally only exist so lady whistledown had to bad mouth Penelope. This way later in the season (I assume) she can be like “I spoke badly of everyone! Even myself! I do what must be done!” But it just felt so weird. Why is everyone fixated? They’ve been friends for years if not a full decade+ and she has no male relative as others state during the show! Like would this shock anyone?? Really?? No one was like omg Anthony helping Daphne she must be pathetic!
I also found the teaching plotline completely useless and unnecessary . I mean, Colin did not even teach her a single thing, the way you usually see in movies. Their so called classes were pretty much them just chatting about something else. Furthermore, I do not recall Colin ever giving her any feedback on how to improve ..
I agree with you one hundred percent. I wanted Lord Debling to fight for Penelope and to also make colin sweat
Omg that’s exactly what I thought, he didn’t really choose pen like I expected. He kinda just showed a little interest and let the two ladies fight over him and not really giving a favor to either, he just wasn’t as into pen as I thought he would and just kinda boring
Fr, I wish they had added 2 more episodes to really not rush through so much. I watched so many cast interviews so I was hyped for Cressida but there wasn’t enough there for me to care as much as I was hoping I would 😭
I honestly find the show preferable to the books in almost every single aspect, but they REALLY dropped the ball in introducing this new character. I think we were all sold on the idea that Lord Debbling would be in love with Pen, but then he seemed to be interested in her solely for convenience which was honestly sad. He had like one good scene and I feel that his character is completely written off. I can understand that they needed something to bring Colin and Pen together that wasn’t the big plot of the books as the show is going about that in a different route, but it just wasn’t well implemented and it makes me sad.
I thought it was strange that Lord Debling said he wasn't sure he had room in his heart to love even his wife, and then left Penelope cold when he realized she loved Collin and not him. So, he wants a woman to love him, but he doesn't have to love her back?
Weird
Where did you get that he wants a woman to love him? He's explicit that he wants an independent, practical match. His problem is that a wife who takes a lover would reflect poorly on him and call his heir(s) into question.
@@Inzanti Is that what he said? He's worried about the legitimacy of his heirs? I don't recall that at all.
@elisabethpuck He does not say the heir part but it is implied when he says he is leaving for 3 years and cannot have a wife whose affections are engaged elsewhere. He's not expecting her to love him, just not love someone else. He does say he is looking for a wife to run his estate and give him children but he doesn't know if love will be a part of it.
@Inzanti It isn't implied. He wants a woman to have great affection for him, but does not intend on returning it. That's all.
Lord Debling’s character felt like an interesting foil to Colin’s. Debling knows what he’s interested in, what his values are and what he’s looking for in marriage. He’s self assured and doesn’t care what the ton thinks of him. Colin, on the other hand, is trying too hard to fit into a charismatic rake archetype, in order to fit in with the ton. Colin is struggling to form his own self identity and doesn’t really know what he wants. I actually really liked Lord Debling and I can relate to the idea of wanting partnership rather than romance but since he never felt like he was a serious romantic contender, it was obvious their courtship was never going to work out.
I also really wish Penelope actually had the choice to choose between Colin and Lord Debling. I really wanted Penelope to come to the realization that even though Lord Debling was a suitable practical match for her, what she really wants and deserves to have is romance. It felt flat for Lord Debling to end the courtship and tell Penelope directly that she deserves romance, I wanted her to come to that realization internally.
I came across your channel from the previous vids about Penelope and her book, so the entire time I watched Bridgerton today I was thinking about you and what you had said about the novel. Obviously, I'm excited to hear your thoughts on the season. I felt Lord Debling was a very nice, genuine man but I found him a little flat, given that he is seen by others as a bit eccentric and he is openly fine with that. I didn't expect anything wacky or anything but maybe just more... enthusiasm about himself or other things? Funny enough the lovely gentleman who likes to sit in silence with Francesca had so much more light when he was interested in something.
His line about Pen being able to make someone whither with a look was so sexy. I wish that energy had stayed, but he was too often ... wallpaper? He was nice, which a lot of these men aren't. I still like him, because he's open minded and patient. But he became droll. Personally... I believe he told Pen all of that about having a wife to stay home was because he believed that would be what makes her happiest and he was fine with that. I think if he had caught the attention of a woman who is interested in traveling to strange lands, he would be happy to take her? He seems like he wants someone he gets along with who won't hang on him for their personality like many of the women of the Ton. He liked that Cressida "shared" his interests and he did perk up and Pen faking her interest poorly lost her esteem with him in the moment, but when Pen was honest about not sharing those interests he swung back to her. I think he is attracted to self-assured people and wants a wife he can get along with. He's nice. I was hoping for more sparkle.
I absolutely love that line when he and Pen first talked with each other. It got me flustered the same way Pen did. So it was really sad to see how things played out. I hate to say that episode 4 felt a bit anticlimactic.
Yes their first interactions were so sexxay. And I really like Lord Kilmarton, he and Francesca were so cute .
Lord Debling's highest selling point is that a match with him is "convenient".It is perfect for a woman who wants to settle down and get married because she has no other prospects. In that case, he would be an ideal husband for many. Caring, allows his wife a certain amount of freedom (Of course not enough to travel with him), and has good money. For someone who can find their happiness and satisfaction in just listening to their husband's exotic travels while they await dutifully for his return, he's perfect.
But that kind of married life is so far removed from what the viewers imagined for Pen, that he didn't feel like an option at all. A 2nd male lead should be perceived as an active threat by both the 1st male lead and the viewers. But because everything with Debling was so... lukewarm, he didn't once pose as a threat to collin. A threat would be someone who was in love with Pen and pursued her relentlessly, but Debling only had convenience to offer and not love.
I enjoyed this season a lot but in terms of actual romance, more care was given to Francessca and John (whom i adore btw nothing against them) then to polin. With all the side plots this season, the show would function musch better as a serialised soap like eastenders rather then 8 tightly packed eps on Netflix
Lord Debling just randomly dropped off too soon and had a weird switch.
I wished they focused on Pen and Colin more instead of starting x number of plots.
We needed more of Pen blossoming and learn how awesome she is. Colin trying to understand her relationship with Pen, and more flirting and fighting for her. We barely got romance between them. They deserved more. 😢
I agree with all you said, but let's not forget there are 4 more epsidoes release în a month before the end of the season. We don't know yet what will be în second part, tho i suspect they will focus on her secret reveal
I actually love that he takes a step back the moment he sees Colin's feelings. Why would he or anyone chase someone who isn't interested nor shares your views? That's a waste of time. H
The flashing backgrpund gives me a headache 😢
Okay, unpopular opinion, but there was too much self-pity for Penelope this season! I wanted her to be strong, to be desirable. I don't believe such a clever woman with intricate schemes how to sell her paper with the smallest cost would suddenly become so shy and wouldn't have known what to say in the company of a man. She had never been shy with Colin, and she liked him the most. Why would she suddenly become shy and unconfident with people who she doesn't even care about? I feel like she was pitying herself in every scene she was in! Every romantic or erotic scene started as "oh poor Penelope, let's console her". Where's the dark horse powerful woman behind a wallflower facade we all loved in the first two seasons?
I feel like after her glow-up the men around her needed to be intimidated by her! And that's why she couldn't get herself a suitor. And Colin's lessons were not needed, he just wanted a way to approach her not to seem like he suddenly became one of the suitors as well. I wanted Penelope to casually call Colin her friend, and Colin to be flushed and visibly uncomfortable with that word, not the other way around! What we got instead was one kiss out of pity, and then Colin suddenly wants this woman. It's lazy writing!
And! She certainly shouldn't have been made a comic relief of the season! That's what her family is for! Why should we laugh at Pen for her clumsy men approaches, when we could have been in awe with her and her beauty and her wit?
This!!! Like she could have still be shy I guess but I thought she was gonna stand her ground and be strong and confident and make Colin work for her
I wanted Debling to reaaally like her and also I loved the lord who liked lady whistledown hahaha the one with the wheelchair
Yeah he seemed really interesting AT FIRST
I feel like they didn't have enough faith in Colin being the better love interest that could write Lord Debling in a better way. I think they wanted to avoid people shipping them together, so they had to nuke his personality so that Colin would seem better. It's a real shame, because he had such a interesting character for someone who was only in 3 episodes. The writers realized they flew a little too close to the sun with Debling and had to immediately backtrack so that the focus would be on Polin.
honestly cressida deserves someone like debling thats gonna give her time to have her own life and do whatever she wants.
Yeaaaah. I was not a fan when he suddenly said hey I just need a lady who takes care of my home while I go do my thing and nope I don't think I can love you since I love only one thing. Like dude, you were being sweet and understanding and even empowering her in the start, so where was this coming from??? Also, him proposing and then just running away was stupid. Ig it was his real face that suddenly showed itself. But it seems more like they just made him go out too fast. Anyhoo, disappointing. Because I was really looking forward to seeing more from him so he could rile up colin and get that idiot to see who he was losing. But then, not enough time was given TO THE MAIN COUPLE'S STORYLINE THIS YEAR WHICH IS SO STUPID AND BAFFLING!!!
All I know is that they did Cressida dirty with those ridiculous hairstyles.
It does make sense that Debling just went "lol ok byeee" after he noticed the unresolved feelings between Pen and Colin.
He'd be gone soon after their marriage and they didn't have that much mutual trust built up yet, nor did he feel genuine love for her or vice versa. He straight up tells her so. He wanted a practical match, and let's be honest, the chances of Pen cheating on him with Colin in his 3 YEARS (!!!) of absence were not off the table whatsoever. Debling's a smart man.
My best guess is that Debling is meant for Eloise in a future season. The trip is a plot device to get him to leave until it’s her turn as lead.
I am also guessing that he will marry Cressida in this season, but then have something happen to that relationship. When he returns from his travels, he will grow closer to Eloise because of her friendship with Cressida.
He was somewhat disappointing in this season, but I think it’s meant as a signal that it’s not his time, yet.
yeah no..Eloise future husband is someone else. you already saw him in season 1 and 2. funny enough. his personality is a bit similar to debling
Another person said it already but yeah no, Eloise ends up with someone else. But, maybe he do ends up with Cressida? So far his interest and Cressida's line up a bit, knowing how he want to pursue his own dreams while giving plenty of space for his future wife to pursue her own. Perfect for Cressida since she hasn't been able to learn things about herself due to her family and sht, so having a marriage that gives her stable living and enough freedom will be perfect. Kinda like what happened to Marina, she marries off Phillip yet there's no attachment and she is as free as she can be.
I thought it was sensible of Lord Debling to break things off with Penelope rather than try to pursue things even further, which would have complicated the relationship.
After Cressida had mentioned to him about the Bridgertons living across from the Featheringtons, it clicked in Lord Debling’s mind the fondness she has for Colin. Especially given that her favorite seat in the house is by the window, facing directly out towards the Bridgerton residence.
Debling had specified to Pen that he was looking for a practically match, not necessarily love, due to his extensive travels. This was the deciding factor for ending things with her.
I agree. I wanted more tension. A bit of an emotional struggle.
I'm mad we don't have more episodes to drool over how handsome Lord Debling is
... I loved him. He seemed so gentle and sweet, incredibly easy going. He's exactly what most of the girls at the time would adore.
I kinda want him to get with Cressida so she can be in charge of herself and breathe freely and invite Eloise over all the time.
He's not a good match for Pen personality wise though I think she'd be happy enough even while wishing for a love match.
I was actually rooting for him but i understand that he's dropping Pen not just to keep things simple but also because I think he believes someone like her SHOULD go for what her heart wants, just as his longs to explore.
I 100% agree with you! I liked him more his smile was so kind I would want him to smile at me like that
Lord debling certainly had a lot of fondness and a lot of warmth towards penelope, but it did not come off like he was in LOVE with her. I was hoping for that for her. But I do think that penelope had a bit of an awakening moment during the balloon scene in which Lord debling saves her because she has never had a man so vehemently protect her.
Also, the fact that he did not fight for her. After realizing it, there might be some feelings between Colin and Penelope was weird. Because if you have such a fondness for this woman, I imagine you would want to fight to keep her in some regard.
I feel the opposite of everyone who is saying they want more Pen and Colin. I think were got a very good amount that didn't take away from the story or romance, unlike how Anthony and Kates season went. With all it's useless plot lines and triangle. Lord Dealing was disappointing because like you said I wanted him to be in love with Pen and make her feel love and passion, to really drive Colin crazy and make Pen chose.
I am hoping that the Pen/Colin storyline will continue into season 4 (despite me wanting happy ending and having to wait). I too had hoped for more looks of longing and angst from Colin, and more time spent with Debling. It is true - the PR around Debling was building him to be a fascinating, viable character only to feel like he more annoyed than upset with Pen at the ball.
Excited that I just finished the eps today cause I’ve been looking forward to watching your videos about it. Literally as soon as Penelope said she was interested in nature this man lost all his personality traits lmao
If I’m being so terribly honest, I skipped alllllll content other than the scenes with pen and Colin in them. I will be doing the same for the next episodes
He was disappointing! But I think it's better that way. Haha. I think he just dropped Pen because he knows Pen is in LOVE with Colin. haha. He noticed it since it was established that she loves sitting and looking out her window. When Cressida revealed that the Bridgertons live directly in front of the Featheringtons' house. He knew. Immediately. HAHA. His face was 😑. HAHAHA Then Pen looking at Colin or seeking Colin out during social events. Maybe he knows in his heart he has no chance if he competes with Colin. HAHA.
It was really good to see Colin sweat. HAHA.
Enjoyed it so far! Happy to see a lot from the books were kept.
I think it makes a lot of sense for him to dump her. He is away a lot, she will be alone. She loves someone who is her friend and will probably spend time with here when he is gone. He probably has doubts about her being faithful and dosn't want to trap her in a relationship that will make her dream of something else
Lord Debling is a very reasonable man, that didn't find any reason to "fight for" or "persuade" Penelope on to a marriage when he clearly saw that she had feelings for her male-friend. So it was perfectly ok for him to drop her, it did hurt her and the audience feelings but making them all a triangle love would have been out of character and super toxic.
This whole season is disappointing me so far tbh
The Mondrich storyline is the most useless to the storyline thing i ve seen in a while
I had to think for quite a while who's Mondrich, and I only finished the first half of the season yesterday 😅
@@ostatnifajek128 hahah I think that explains the problem xd
I actually liked how non-cliché it was. I don’t think he’s bad or anything. He has different expectations. I thought it was even a bit refreshing, because it’s a normal reaction. Colin did make a scene.
Its sad that promotion built up Penelope as seeing her worth and being the diamond in the rough, but the only man who wanted her other than Colin was for practical reasons? Like i get that she wont have a gaggle of men suddenly liking her, but she shouldve at least got Debling actually loving her as he courts her. It wouldve made Colin have more competition, but it would be more about Penelope choosing between her desires and a good man who saw her value from the get go, the war between the heart and the mind
I for one am fine with how he was. After a whole season of a love triangle I am more than fine we did not get it here. Although if I could rewrite it I would have him be very int Pen instead. However, I just figured they changed this due to well a love match for everyone in that era was just not always a big deal. For Cressida especially, she is fine without love so long as the man treats her well and more importantly is her choice as she said. It is sad and I wish for her to find love, but in a show set in this time period we just have to accept it will not happen for every character. Also it is realistic for Pen to be ok with it as a women with a job even if it is secret to appraise her freedom in keeping Whistledown to be enough in exchange for a love match.
Lord Debby is a smart and observant man and A GENTLEMAN.
When he said he was going to North America I automatically got a ick from him
Ok hear me out…what if Lord Debling told Pen at that bal that she should ask herself what it is that she truły wants (or smtg like that) and just left. Then Collin kisses her like in the show and proposes, but now we’re not sure whats going to happen, since Pen has to now either accept Collin or apologize to Lord Debling and go thru with the marrige👀 imo it’d be sm more interesting
I like Lord Debling…I hv to admit, I was impressed by his realization of why Pen sat by that particular window…
i love nerdy people and they both were nerdy! he had character but we didnt learn more. maybe cressida would travel him n they discover their passion for travels
He was rizzing in the trailer, just the trailer.
I get that they wanted to do something different and not to do another love triangle so they don't repeat S2...but Debling is already there. The love triangle was already there based on marketing. They should have just committed to that and made the most out of the tension. Then it wouldn't have mattered that there were so many other plotlines.
Deblin was a throw away character. You're aabsolutely right in that he could have been a stronger love interest, but yeah the whole pragmatic thing was crap.
I feel like we didnt get enough of the main couple. Either they should start giving us more than 8 episodes or get rid of the sideplots bc it was entirely too much going on this season and not enough polin imo.
am i the only one who thought there was too much kate and anthony, mainly towards the beginning? like they already had their season so idk why we need to see them again 😭😭😭. that time could’ve been used for more colin and penelope or lord debling and penelope
I agree, I wanted more drama from all of this. I wanted Penelope to be the center of attention and the desired one for once. I wanted Colin to fight for her attention.
He was a plot device, nice enough but ultimately unimportant.
I thought about this too, but also, we have to remember that there are different types of people outthere. Lord Debling is a simple man, he kind of knows how he wants to live his life and this is reflected in choosing a wife as well. He's not extremely passionate and he doesn't look for that type of love that would keep you on your toes, he wants to settle down and go for his first love: nature. Maybe if they had made him be too passionate and in love and wanted Pen to be with him even in his travels, we would have rooted for him more than Collin lol, who has his flaws. If Lord Debling were perfect in every way, then the whole Pen+Collin thing wouldn't be as amazing as it is.
I agree, he was very under utilized in the narrative.
I don't know. We are 4 episodes into the season. Seems like at this juncture he was introduced to point not just Colin towards Penelope but to reveal for those in the audience who missed the build up that Colin and Penelope have mutual feelings. However I exoect more of him this season.
This coincides with a complaint others have had that Polin were not featured enough. I think we forget that unlike all of the relationships blossoming, Polin is the only one that has had multiple years before its season to explore the relationship. Colin already loved her but he himself was still growing. He has shown over and over that he has been on a journey of becoming. Plus he hadn't seen her in this physical way yet.
The scenes cemented things for him. He did already see Penelope in that way from the little things the clueless man missed in all the seasons.
To me the true conflict was not did Colin love her or would he commit to her. The drama is in the lady whistldown reveal. Here is where you will see Polin get to know each other in this new way. I suspect that what has been planted in these 4 episodes is what will allow Penelope to stand up for herself and know her value.
I feel like at this point netflix shoudn't be doing 1 season per book... There are too many plot lines going on and things would feel more natural and interesting if they were going slower. Like, focus this season on Francesca, but keep a pace with Penelope and Colin Developing along with all the other characters and them on 4th season, do Polin with space for Benedict, 5th for Benedict with space for Eloise and it goes on... I feel like there is so much content that can happen! Or at least, give us more episodes per season! Anthony and Kate season was incredible, but I felt like there was one or two episodes missing, and now, there is at least 4 episodes missing already! I really wish we could see more of angry Penelope, Lord Debling, Jealous Colin, space for them and other characters. I'm so afraid of the next 4 cause i really think they shoudn't reveal Lady Whistledown identity rn, but they probably will just for the sake of keeping it faithful to the novel!
Spoilers!
I expected Lord Dabling to be so good that in parts we would regret that Penelope chose Colin. I expected that Lord Dabling would pursue and desire her, but in fact it was Penelope who fought with Cressida for his attention (((and as soon as Penelope did something as not he expected, Lord Dabling dismissed her and did not hesitate even a minute. I have an impression that Penelope had no any other choice but Colin, and this made me sad for her ((((
the reason why lord debling fell flat is because whilst he wants to go out traveling and leaving his wife at home, colin mentioned (several times) that he wants someone to travel the world with. they're not even remotely competing when it comes to penelope, because colin wins every time. that's what the problem is, penelope would've married debling for convenience, but she knew she loved colin. it would've been more interesting to see her fall in love a little bit with debling too, and then end up choosing colin anyways. that would've made for a far more interesting plot.
also the fact that francesca (who was newly introduced this season) had more character development than lord debling is why he's just not that interesting of a love interest.
this season kind of sucked so far, although I'm really enjoying cressida's character development and the way things are progressing between colin and penelope.
also the way they get together seems kind of unnatural, like it doesn't make sense. penelope begging colin to kiss her makes sense but then from then on out they don't really explain why colin is lusting over her. like i wish they had more scenes like the dream sequence, to really help BUILD that desire. cuz once they kissed i was kinda just like "meh?"
Debling NOT EVEN TRYING was also surprising for me because he seemed to be build as a charismatic character that was reeeally into Pen because of her chance of behaviour, trusting her "freed side" a little bit more thanks to Colin's tips. That was really strange, I'll give you that.
I TOTALLY agree with you!
Not just Debling, even franchesca story was a little disappointing. 😢 not getting enough screen time to introduce her right. Mama bridgeton has her own stupid story going on.😮 it's just all messed up.
yeah i feel like in every season we see too much of the mom… it’s kind of annoying
Yes...because no real connection was ever established between him and Pen.
The introduction of the other young lady chasing him--every time they tried to talk--made it so he had hardly connected with her before he decided to give up.
There should have been at least two of three scenes of them really connecting with each other.
It was actually disappointing cause he actually never fought for her and the time they were "kinda" courting Pen was in Cressida's shadow. It was too quick and fast. I really waited much more drama, tension, and rivalry in this season.
I wish the actress/Pen could have pined away a bit between seasons. It would have made it really dramatic to her coming out and involvement with Colin when he arrives home. Maybe he finally starts seeing her.
And I dont mean ozempic pining, just a healthier glow.
There was one scene at the house with colin where pen was wearing a pink thing around her neck...i thought at first it was a disease/rash.
We all know who is going to be the endgame no matter what Lord Debling does...🙄
I’m disappointed that they filled season 3(so far)with too many plot points. Just focus on the main couple like in the first two seasons. Never really liked Colin either, and I wish they gave him more depth so I can actually root for him and Pen to get together. I love Penelope(she’s my favorite character), and my girl deserves so much better!
Lord Debling gives me the feeling of Bluebeard from the fairytale🤔
I don't know why
The most sad to me was when they remove the friendship between Lady Danbury and Penelope from the book. It was one of my favourite part in the book because Penelope finally had a supportive positive female role in her life, she didn't hv that with her mother nor her sisters except maybe her younger sister which doesn't even exist in the show.
They could've cut Francesca story shorter and focus more on Pen & Eloise relationship.
I thought that Colin was going to have his Zuko moment.