My theory is that Age 5 and Age 12 might be switched internally somehow, they must have started development with modeling Deku Link and realized he couldn't be the first Link actor in the lineup, so they swapped them. Link is 12 and Deku Butler's son is 5.
They weren't switched. Ocarina of Time has the same debug menu and young link's age is listed as 5 there as well. Either they simply hadn't decided how young he should actually be at the time they chose that number, or it was decided by someone but not fully communicated through the team, so a programmer chose a placeholder value (it's not like the player ever sees it anyway). In Ocarina of Time it is long confirmed in other ways that adult link is 17, and that he is 7 years older than young link. Therefore young link is 10 years old in Ocarina of Time. It is not clear how much time passes between the end of Ocarina of Time and the beginning of Majora's Mask, so he might still be 10 years old in that game, or he could be slightly older (11 or 12). He looks pretty small to be any older than that ;) In Zelda age is literally just a number :)
IIRC Link's age is referenced internally in code as 5 and 17 for child and adult respectively in OoT (found with the decompilation project). Which doesn't really make any sense, he's just not 5 years old. It also represents a 12 year gap instead of a 7 year gap, so who knows what the deal with that is.
Honestly this was *probably* worked on even during oot's development. So the majority of the fine details probably had a shit ton of time to be added since its basically the same engine etc
@@disfiguringthegoddess1102 it's true mm used a lot of oot assets, but the games are totally different experiences. Still crazy they only had a year or two for mm
The Zora longevity was actually tacitly confirmed previously in Oracle of Ages- the past and present eras in Labrynna are centuries apart, and when we first enter Zora's Domain, the king is long dead from illness. After saving him in the past, he's there (albeit in a slightly differently colored outfit) in the present to let you enter Jabu Jabu's Belly.
It was also kind of confirmed in Majora's Mask itself with the conversation between Gorman and Toto (zora) in the bar when Gorman mentions hearing the song when he was a child and Toto says that the new singer is Lulu but doesn't mention any of the band members changing meaning Mikau was original.
I don’t remember if you’ve covered these in past videos or not but… plus they’re glitches more than secrets but still… You can enter sakon’s hideout early by rolling into the gap between the rock and the wall, which will have you jump and either fall into the void or land in the loading zone. Strangely, kafei won’t spawn unless you’ve properly progressed his quest, locking you in the first room as the button only starts the conveyer belt section but you won’t switch to kafei, the most I’ve accomplished is squashing myself with the door kafei would normally go in. Speaking of the hideout it can also be used to wear fierce deity mask (almost) anywhere. You just wear a non-transformation mask as link and while in control of kafei, pause and put the FD mask on the same button as the mask link was wearing, making you transform as soon as you switch back and stay transformed after the hideout, you can technically do it with the giant’s mask too, but it crashes (or softlocks, can’t remember) instantly. That being said FD is easy to soft lock, for starters you HAVE to leave the canyon via the river or you’ll be stuck where you can’t exit, additionally several NPCs will softlock if you talk to them since they don’t have valid programmed dialog with FD.
In the 3D remake, it's easy as pie to use the FD mask anywhere. I enjoy it running around, checking how NPCs react to him. Most act as if he's Deku, ironically. With the same glitch, you can use just any "restricted" item with the transformations, though only a few show effects. Giant mask makes the game crash bc it's unable to load the corresponding map when not in Twinmolds battle area.
You have no idea how happy it makes me to see Majoras mask, being my first Zelda game and my favorite, having new things discovered about it! It’s even more impressive considering this game is over 20 years old!
You and BlueBoyPhin are the only two channels who consistently show me new stuff I had no idea about. I appreciate the hard work and dedication you put into finding such obscure information!
I used to think that the Gorons would live for a long time, and Zora were closer to Human life spans. It's still weird to me that Zora live for such a long time.
If you bring deku nuts and bombs into the well, you can use them to access the room containing a Big Poe. In the same room that you trade fish at one door, trade the nuts at the other.
That’s a good point; especially if you are running low on time… Though, I always feel bad for just selling the Big Poe from the Graveyard to the Curiosity Shop - the method in the video is good if you are trying to pack as many quests as you can into one cycle.
Too much of a detour though. Bringing the Big Poe from the Graveyard allows you to make a beeline for the Mirror Shield, which is what Looygi was going for.
Yeah, I thought for sure it was something that Oracle of Ages made up (Labrynna's King Zora ((who might or might not be the same one as seen in the Ocarina of Time, as "XVI" is the only number ever given by any source)) being well over 400 years old). I'm still skeptical because of the Link part, but if we assume that Zoras age 3x the speed of other humanoids (because humans reach puberty around 10, and Zoras reach it around 30, with early or late bloomers... it's a whole thing... Imma go with 3) the Mikau is basically 26. Now, like Cats & Dogs, I assume they age quickly at first and then it slows down, and you need some sort of aging chart (which we'd need much more info to fill) because 400 years would be over 130, and that's just not going to work. Now, does this make all of Link's Zora friends from 100 years ago 33⅓? No... they are whatever age they were then _plus 33⅓_ don't let's be silly.
In Ocarina of Time after pulling out the Master Sword, Na’vi mentions they travelled “7 years” in the future. Link being 10 years old would make more sense, at least 8 but 10 feels more valid imo. Majora’s Mask only took place several months so Link never did aged, but did grew taller in the original. He looked the same in 3D remake, in fact he look like from Majora’s Mask in Ocarina of Time so theres no actual physical development for Link comparing to the originals. It should be worth noted also Darmani died from a “blizzard” when it was a Big Goron that likely blew Darmani away, was horribly influenced by the temple that corrupted him and blow anyone coming in. Darmani was the victim and fell to his death. Mikau died from being brutally beaten by Gerudos, and then get thrown in the sea after he got caught trying to recover the eggs. Meanwhile, Fierce Deity Link, the only one NOT a victim, was actually created from all the people of Termina’s suffering, through all the masks you’ve given. This creates Fierce Deity, who turns all those suffering, into power. His fight against Majora’s Mask is the result of that power he gained from many.
The amiibo for Adult Link that was released for the 35th anniversary of the Zelda series states that Link was 17 during his time as an adult. So did Link turn 10 during his adventures through Hyrule as a kid?
What I find especially sad about Mikau’s death is that, while I don’t think it was confirmed, he was in a relationship with Lulu, since you see them holding hands in his vision. Which means he died trying to save his children.
@@Josuh but lulu is distraught and only snaps out of it when mikau plays their song. I'm sure it was said or implied somewhere through various conversations with the other members of the band and zora's that those were his kids
Suggestion: When you find an Eeno (the enemy who replace the Dodongos at night) if you stay as a Goron with A button pressed they can't dammage you =) Thanks for the amazing videos
Also random fact in stone tower temple the light arrow switch is a reused asset the design is zeldas pendant from oot inverted upside down and enlarged
If I'm not mistaken, the Goron died from falling off a cliff, and landing onto a sharp rock. That's why he has a giant scar on his stomach. I think the giant Goron on the Snowhead Temple was blowing so hard (the cause of the blizzard), that made Darmani fall to his death. Other than that, amazinf video! With each discovery, I love Majora's Mask more and more.
These types of videos are perfect! Hooks us in with nostalgia, then teaches us something new about our favourite games! Certainly some of the more abstract bugs and secrets in this channel.. masterful!
One i found just yesterday. At the trading post, if you talk to the man behind the counter he’ll respond differently to Link’s forms (ie: refuses to sell to Deku Link cuz he’s a kid)
There is something curious in Twinmold's lair, under the center pedestal, if you roll, Tatl pops out to make a target. If you press Z at the right time, it actually targets.
Doubt they were going by the same rules with the Zora’s lifespan back then. Ruto is described as a child when Link’s a child and they both grow up in parallel pretty much after 7 years. The Zora child in BotW mention how slowly they grow, being eager to grow as fast as Hylians. Most likely a random number much like how even knowing Link was 10 was given 5 internally.
I never thought in the future was going to find out so much stuff about Majora's and ocarina, because I believed I discovered everything related they both, but you never know, I'd love to be translated in Spanish like swanky box, but that's fine I'd get use to it
There is also a Big Poe in that large room on the right on the maze map. If you go for that Big Poe, you can complete the maze on Day 1. Concerning the mask ages, I've a feeling that Deku Link and Young Link are mistakenly inverted. If they were, then the age of 12 for Young Link would place Majora's Mask canonically two years after Ocarina of Time.
The guide through the Ikana well is really well-made. You know what? You should release a separate video for it, I bet this would be helpful for a lot of players.
Eh, it's only viable on the night of the final day. I'd rather a guide showing the quickest route through the well with the least number of items required entering.
Signposts tidbit is a little creepy, especially considering they don't appear to "grow" in OOT. I appreciate the quickest route through Ikana Well, too. If you're willing to spend some time down there, you can find most of the items you need (excluding milk and beans iirc?) already down there or get them from enemy drops. I know there's definitely a Big Poe down there which makes the mini-dungeon more self sustaining, but knowing it can be blitzed through on the third night with minimal prep is a handy tip!
I feel like the ages for the Deku butler's son and Link, and Darmani and Mikau were switched. There is no other indication in the N64 games that N64 Zoras live this long, Link sure isn't 5, the little Deku could have been though and both Darmani and Mikau look more fitting as 78 and 30 respectively, at least from a human perspective. If the devs had meant for N64 Zoras to live that much longer than humans they would have let it be known somewhere, like in BotW where it's a plot point and remarked multiple times. Also consider that around 30 is a normal age for men to start having children, and Mikau died a dad.
I found some interesting things in the game, but these three seem most intriguing: 1. When stunned, you can attack Gyorg by rolling towards him 2. You can dodge a Garo’s charge attack with a well-timed back flip 3. Some enemies will drop items depending on a arrow type they’ve been killed by: Fire arrow = More arrows Ice arrow = A whole heart (a rupee if full) Light arrows = A purple rupee!
My only question is, how exactly do you figure this stuff out? For how long these games have been around, it's interesting I'm seeing stuff I didn't know before. Great work as usual.
I'm sure there's at least two things to it, he has played and finished the game dozens and dozens of times, and he spends dozens and dozens of hours exploring and literally combing each area for every last detail without rest until completely done.
Interesting how zora ages lasting a long time existing as far back as majoras mask but then falls apart when you consider in ocarina of time ruto goes from a child to an adult in the span of 7 years
5:00 And if you don’t want to wait until the Final Night, just bring in some bombs since you’d probably have them anyway and get the Big Poe from the well itself.
Since Sidon was a very young child, before the events of the calamity, and appears to be in his early to mid 20's, 100 years later. I think its safe to assume a Zora ages 20 years, every 100 years. If this is even roughly accurate, Mikau, died probably around the Zora age of 17/18. Which is pretty damn young... (Doesn't explain Ruto aging the same pace as Link in OoT though...unless she was way older and had a growth spurt some point in the 7 year time skip?)
I think it is more realistic that deku corresponds to 5 and hound link to 12. We don’t know the average life span of a deku scrub. They could have very short lives.
You can actually complete a heart container as Deku Link during the 1st 3 day cycle. You can obtain these 4 heart pieces in Clock Town as Deku Link within this cycle. The 1st one can be obtained on the Clock Tower deck after trading the Moon’s Tear. The 2nd one can be obtained by winning the postman’s game on nights 1 and 2. The 3rd one can be obtained by trading the title deed at the inn after midnight. The 4th one can be obtained by winning the Deku Playground game 3 times each day.
I don't remember the ghost part of the well. It's been a minute since I did it, though. I knew the jars vanished, but I didn't know where they went! That's super cool!
4:36 - 5:40 well I understand this is less long but I rather Explore the Whole Well I still have to go get a Magic Bean and a Potion for the Entrance but once I have those Everything else is Easily Accessible inside the Well YES EVEN THE BIG POE! it's Possible!
Getting that Gian Poe from the graveyard feels like more of a hassle that just doing the well. Although I suppose that on future runs I could just take advantage of doing that quest before getting the mirror shield since I usually do 100% runs. But I have to wonder if someone has figured out the most optimized way of going from beginning of cycle to getting the shield, preparation included.
Honestly, just being deku nuts and bombs, then use them to access the room beneath the well that contains a Big Poe. I'm shocked that wasn't in this video, TBH. It was actually in the player's guide back in the day, and has been online for pretty much the same period of time.
in the well there are also some cows and a poe you can use in the side rooms to get the required items so that it is not as aggravating to traverse, you do need to get some other items to opens those paths though.
The thumbnail had Hylian Link at 5. I believe he is 10 in Ocarina of Time though. Since Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time use the same game engine the model of Link is pretty much the same (if not exactly the same). This should mean that Link is 10 in Majora's Mask, too. Also, doesn't Majora's Mask take place right after Ocarina of Time? In any case, it's very hard to believe that Link would be 5 in Majora's Mask.
@@ShuckleShellAnemia I heard elsewhere in this comment section that MM is 2 years after OoT. Still waiting on a source for that. In the meantime, Miyamoto stated in an Iwata Asks interview for OoT3D that Link was 9 in the Past.
I don't know if already put this but, let me tell you another fact. During the alien invasion if play the song that makes slow time, the aliens begin to move slow too.
I’m pretty sure the building for the Treasure Chest mini-game in Clocktown is just a regular in-game chest enlarged, given a door, and a couple posters. I haven’t compared the textures yet to confirm, but if so, it’s a great example of the clever way they reincorporated already existing assets
That would require you to get more stuff to appease the Gibdos between the entrance and where the Big Poe is. Looygi's point at that part is getting all the stuff you need outside of the Well.
Absolutely love your channel content. Mikau aged incredibly well, I wonder how old Toto or King Zora are now. Thought he would have been at least in his mid to late thirties to forty. I have to say, it makes me rather sad now that I know how the Deku Butler's son was slain. I'm so glad Zelda historia is a thing with this franchise.
It was part of a removed cutscene where the Great Fairy Of Wisdom would put Link through physical training to enhance his defense, same with a scene where the Great Fairy Of Power would be more hands-on in teaching Link the Spin Attack. As I said, both cutscenes were ultimately dummied out of the final version.
@@Josuh i saw a comment that said maybe young link and delu link were switched last second so young link would be the first option on the debug list, and forgot to swap the age numbers around
... It's somewhat upsetting that Tingle is older than every Link form except Mikau. But also Mikau's death is still such a sour moment. His death makes no sense, considering you can find him at any day. He just floats there... For three days. Around people that absolutely would have seen him. Heck, Tingle is floating above him the entire time. Probably has an excuse for that, though. "But I'm fairy-ly sure that's just a dead fish, he's too Kooloo-'Limp'ah!"
What are you using to get the custom camera? I've been wanting to do some in-game photography but all I have been using is no hud and moon jump cheats.
In MM3D regardless which country you’re from in the pirates’ Fortress in the hook shot room, it’s based of the og’s Japanese version but the chest is facing towards the main entrance
Some items you need for opening the door in the well can be found in the well. Also if you are broke and don't want to spend a single rupee for milk there is a hidden grotton in the exact place where Skull Kid met his fairy friend. You don't need to return to the beans vendor in the palace if you need bean. The Deku seller near of the Office tourism sell them at the same price than the him. You only need to see him once for the path leading to the monley
Nuts and a Fish, I saw elsewhere. You also missed Looygi's point, which was to minimize detours through the Well. Bringing the Big Poe from the Graveyard allows you to make a beeline for the Mirror Shield.
In all honesty I feel like the ages make way more sense if Link and Deku are switched, as well as Darmani and Mikau. Link obviously isn't 5 years old, but that age makes a lot of sense considering the treatment Deku gets. Correspondingly, Darmani seems fairly old to me. He's a known veteran, and was in line to be the next patriarch of his tribe, a rank usually reserved for wise and elden Gorons. It's true that Zoras have a long lifespan, but to me it makes way more sense to read Mikau as 30 and Darmani as 78. Fierce Deity's age is spot on, though.
My fan theory is that the characters are based on middle earth characters. The deku are the hobbit people, beings that lives in the calm woods, the goron are the dwarves, beings that lives in the mountains and have the brotherhood as marked signal, the zoras are the elfs, beings that lives thousands of years and are very beautiful and graceful, and the hylian are the humans. I don't if this have been confirmed sometime, but i've just theorized this in my mind.
its pretty amazing how those details like the zora´s logebility were planned since then, this makes me thinks abput the theory where the princess rutela from twilight princess its actually ruto from ocarina of time and also, if ruto was a ¨child¨when link was in ocarina of time and them grows up basically at the same time that link does, that means that when link was a child ruto may be around the 50-60 years (cause mikau was 78 and just then started looking like an adult)
I don't think it works like that, in real life, aging and maturing are two completely separate processes, and it'd be more reasonable to assume the age at witch they reach maturity and their overall lifespan don't scale exactly.
@@MrHinchapelotas maybe their like the cats, in about 6 months grow very fast even if they can like for even 10 years, i didn´t think about that before but makes more sense
Seems like the ages are switched. Link seems closer to 12, while Deku Link seems closer to 5. Same with Darmani being 78 and Mikau being 30. I know what BotW says, but I doubt Zora longevity was part of the lore when Majora's Mask was written. Also, Darmani looks old, whereas Mikau does not.
For all we know, Zora longetivity might have been planned from the start. Nintendo just didn't have a chance to show it before BotW In Majora's Mask, we actually see an old Goron, too. Darmani looks much younger than him
In oracle of ages (2001) the zora king is long lived, and is alive in the present after you cure him in the past. It's possible this lore existed unstated in MM
@@Drew_150 The Oracle games came after Majora's Mask, buddy. And King Zora's age was likely nothing more than a gameplay element featured in Oracle of Ages regarding time travel.
I think the Zora age thing could be sort of similar to Elves in a way. Gorons are kind of like the dwarves of the Zelda world, and Zoras are like elves. Which in fantasy usually either have extremely long lifespans, or are even immortal
I think the Elves-like creatures are rather Kokiris: they are also immortal, never change and keep the same age (except that they are children forever, contrary to the Elves). Besides, they also live in a forest.
That's a really neat find regarding the Zora age! From way back in development of perhaps OoT it they were supposed to be long lived. That doesn't jive with how Ruto goes from being a kid to a young adult in 7 years. However, I think we are supposed to believe that Rutela from TP is Ruto from OoT so that would check out.
Not necessarily. The maturity rate is unknown. It doesn't have to mean that it takes forever to hit maturity, or that Zora biology is the same as humans. It could simply mean that Zoras mature early and are long lived.
Alternatively, you can not wait until the last night of the cycle and you can just take 10 bombs with you into the well along with the milk and fish, there is a big poe down there already. It would be especially foolish to put so much distance between a necessary item and where you need it. The possible downsides of getting it elsewhere doesn't really save time either considering you have to beat Captain Keeta to even get to the dungeon catacomb that houses the big poe, and we won't even talk about how miserable it is leading Dampé around. This leaves you the rest of your 3 day cycle to full clear Ikana instead of standing around.
More than the Big Poe, you need to best Keeta to even reach the Well, since you need the Gibdo Mask, which requires the Song Of Storms, which is locked behind Keeta.
Almost thought you were gonna tell Tingle's age as well at the xD If I remember correctly, he is 34. The man of the photo contest tells that if you show a picture of Tingle.
I would like to see if the sign hight would change with the fierce deity mask. It would be funny if it chamged with the giant mask but i dont think theres a way for it to actually make you giant outside of the twinmold battle
in oots water temple the main tower when the water is at level 2 dive down equip iron boots head to the spot with the small key when you get back in the water hit the dive button so link is under the celing in the area below, swim back to the water level control panel. when link gets out of the water the atmosphere in as if link is under water
I wouldn’t say doing dampé graveyard instead of the big poe room in the well as a breeze, fast or easy. I'd rather do the whole well twice rather than do one Dampé xD
My theory is that Age 5 and Age 12 might be switched internally somehow, they must have started development with modeling Deku Link and realized he couldn't be the first Link actor in the lineup, so they swapped them. Link is 12 and Deku Butler's son is 5.
That makes a lot of sense.
That just makes the Deku's death even sadder but at least it confirms Link's age
They weren't switched. Ocarina of Time has the same debug menu and young link's age is listed as 5 there as well. Either they simply hadn't decided how young he should actually be at the time they chose that number, or it was decided by someone but not fully communicated through the team, so a programmer chose a placeholder value (it's not like the player ever sees it anyway). In Ocarina of Time it is long confirmed in other ways that adult link is 17, and that he is 7 years older than young link. Therefore young link is 10 years old in Ocarina of Time.
It is not clear how much time passes between the end of Ocarina of Time and the beginning of Majora's Mask, so he might still be 10 years old in that game, or he could be slightly older (11 or 12). He looks pretty small to be any older than that ;)
In Zelda age is literally just a number :)
IIRC Link's age is referenced internally in code as 5 and 17 for child and adult respectively in OoT (found with the decompilation project). Which doesn't really make any sense, he's just not 5 years old. It also represents a 12 year gap instead of a 7 year gap, so who knows what the deal with that is.
@@bluegum6438 maybe the 5 years old is a reference thing? Like, to Peter pan or something else?
Link's sneezes remain one of the world's most adorable things. So precious.
Link is literally freezing and catching a cold... and you find that adorable? Get the poor kid indoors!
@@Corncan2 he saying the sound ong
-"How detailed should the game be? You know we have less than 2 years to develop it"
-"sidequest minor npcs put their plants inside during nightime"
Honestly this was *probably* worked on even during oot's development.
So the majority of the fine details probably had a shit ton of time to be added since its basically the same engine etc
@@disfiguringthegoddess1102 it's true mm used a lot of oot assets, but the games are totally different experiences. Still crazy they only had a year or two for mm
They had less than a year because they lost all the data in the middle of the project
The Zora longevity was actually tacitly confirmed previously in Oracle of Ages- the past and present eras in Labrynna are centuries apart, and when we first enter Zora's Domain, the king is long dead from illness. After saving him in the past, he's there (albeit in a slightly differently colored outfit) in the present to let you enter Jabu Jabu's Belly.
In botw too. We can see Sidon, who is pretty much ≈120 but looks like he's 20/25.
It was also kind of confirmed in Majora's Mask itself with the conversation between Gorman and Toto (zora) in the bar when Gorman mentions hearing the song when he was a child and Toto says that the new singer is Lulu but doesn't mention any of the band members changing meaning Mikau was original.
@@kodo8889 Yup, he went from a sippy cup to a tall glass of water in 100 years. Hubba hubba!
oracle of ages came out after majora's mask, so not previously
@@sgillman16 i think they meant previous to BotW
I didn't know I needed this information, but I'm glad to see Zubora and Gabora are responsible plant owners.
Would have liked it if he showed them not inside at day tough. :/
I also wonder if the same happens after ghot is defeated and spring returns.
Plant daddies
My impression is they smoking that big weed
I love the dynamic custom camera angles you use in your videos!
I don’t remember if you’ve covered these in past videos or not but… plus they’re glitches more than secrets but still…
You can enter sakon’s hideout early by rolling into the gap between the rock and the wall, which will have you jump and either fall into the void or land in the loading zone. Strangely, kafei won’t spawn unless you’ve properly progressed his quest, locking you in the first room as the button only starts the conveyer belt section but you won’t switch to kafei, the most I’ve accomplished is squashing myself with the door kafei would normally go in.
Speaking of the hideout it can also be used to wear fierce deity mask (almost) anywhere. You just wear a non-transformation mask as link and while in control of kafei, pause and put the FD mask on the same button as the mask link was wearing, making you transform as soon as you switch back and stay transformed after the hideout, you can technically do it with the giant’s mask too, but it crashes (or softlocks, can’t remember) instantly. That being said FD is easy to soft lock, for starters you HAVE to leave the canyon via the river or you’ll be stuck where you can’t exit, additionally several NPCs will softlock if you talk to them since they don’t have valid programmed dialog with FD.
In the 3D remake, it's easy as pie to use the FD mask anywhere. I enjoy it running around, checking how NPCs react to him. Most act as if he's Deku, ironically.
With the same glitch, you can use just any "restricted" item with the transformations, though only a few show effects. Giant mask makes the game crash bc it's unable to load the corresponding map when not in Twinmolds battle area.
Bit late but wanted to thank you for all the recent Zelda videos, I love this channel with the fire of a thousand suns.
Hi Lauren, we're gonna need Link's Giant Wallet for this! ;D Thank you for your kindness ♥️
@@LooygiBros 😂
You have no idea how happy it makes me to see Majoras mask, being my first Zelda game and my favorite, having new things discovered about it! It’s even more impressive considering this game is over 20 years old!
You and BlueBoyPhin are the only two channels who consistently show me new stuff I had no idea about. I appreciate the hard work and dedication you put into finding such obscure information!
I used to think that the Gorons would live for a long time, and Zora were closer to Human life spans.
It's still weird to me that Zora live for such a long time.
If you bring deku nuts and bombs into the well, you can use them to access the room containing a Big Poe. In the same room that you trade fish at one door, trade the nuts at the other.
That’s a good point; especially if you are running low on time…
Though, I always feel bad for just selling the Big Poe from the Graveyard to the Curiosity Shop - the method in the video is good if you are trying to pack as many quests as you can into one cycle.
At least that Big Poe is about to get reset like 2 hours later 😅
Too much of a detour though. Bringing the Big Poe from the Graveyard allows you to make a beeline for the Mirror Shield, which is what Looygi was going for.
i was gonna say the same, that and i coulda sworn you could buy a big poe from the poe salesman but maybe i'm mistaken
@@sleepykittyMMD
You definitely are.
Cannot believe that they thought of the Zora having a long life span all the way back in this game!! Without even giving a hint towards it
Yeah, I thought for sure it was something that Oracle of Ages made up (Labrynna's King Zora ((who might or might not be the same one as seen in the Ocarina of Time, as "XVI" is the only number ever given by any source)) being well over 400 years old). I'm still skeptical because of the Link part, but if we assume that Zoras age 3x the speed of other humanoids (because humans reach puberty around 10, and Zoras reach it around 30, with early or late bloomers... it's a whole thing... Imma go with 3) the Mikau is basically 26. Now, like Cats & Dogs, I assume they age quickly at first and then it slows down, and you need some sort of aging chart (which we'd need much more info to fill) because 400 years would be over 130, and that's just not going to work. Now, does this make all of Link's Zora friends from 100 years ago 33⅓? No... they are whatever age they were then _plus 33⅓_ don't let's be silly.
In Ocarina of Time after pulling out the Master Sword, Na’vi mentions they travelled “7 years” in the future. Link being 10 years old would make more sense, at least 8 but 10 feels more valid imo.
Majora’s Mask only took place several months so Link never did aged, but did grew taller in the original. He looked the same in 3D remake, in fact he look like from Majora’s Mask in Ocarina of Time so theres no actual physical development for Link comparing to the originals.
It should be worth noted also Darmani died from a “blizzard” when it was a Big Goron that likely blew Darmani away, was horribly influenced by the temple that corrupted him and blow anyone coming in. Darmani was the victim and fell to his death.
Mikau died from being brutally beaten by Gerudos, and then get thrown in the sea after he got caught trying to recover the eggs.
Meanwhile, Fierce Deity Link, the only one NOT a victim, was actually created from all the people of Termina’s suffering, through all the masks you’ve given. This creates Fierce Deity, who turns all those suffering, into power.
His fight against Majora’s Mask is the result of that power he gained from many.
Miyamoto stated that Link was 9 when the Deku Tree died.
Yeah, that would make much more sense.
I also thought he was 10, but 9 is close enough. 5 is way too young.
yeah I always interpreted link as being 10 and 17 in the adult form. so these make sense
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The amiibo for Adult Link that was released for the 35th anniversary of the Zelda series states that Link was 17 during his time as an adult. So did Link turn 10 during his adventures through Hyrule as a kid?
What I find especially sad about Mikau’s death is that, while I don’t think it was confirmed, he was in a relationship with Lulu, since you see them holding hands in his vision. Which means he died trying to save his children.
It really wouldn't make much sense if that wasn't the case
That's what I always assumed
@@Josuh He could still try to save his friend's children... but yeah, I agree Mikau is probably the father
@@Josuh but lulu is distraught and only snaps out of it when mikau plays their song. I'm sure it was said or implied somewhere through various conversations with the other members of the band and zora's that those were his kids
Sad Mikau.
Suggestion: When you find an Eeno (the enemy who replace the Dodongos at night) if you stay as a Goron with A button pressed they can't dammage you =)
Thanks for the amazing videos
I remember there was already a video about this here.
Also random fact in stone tower temple the light arrow switch is a reused asset the design is zeldas pendant from oot inverted upside down and enlarged
cool
If you're willing to get Deku Nuts and Bombs, you can get a Big Poe in the Bottom of the Well without having to wait for Dampe.
I had absolutely no clue getting rupees from hitting the gong was time dependent. I always just thought it was random chance.
I friggin love the beats of your intro. They make me dance like a happy dog.
Even more stuff I didn't know! Your videos never fail to impress me 🙂
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It makes me really happy to know that mikau got to live for a long time (for us humans). I was always sad because I thought he died so young.
If I'm not mistaken, the Goron died from falling off a cliff, and landing onto a sharp rock. That's why he has a giant scar on his stomach. I think the giant Goron on the Snowhead Temple was blowing so hard (the cause of the blizzard), that made Darmani fall to his death.
Other than that, amazinf video! With each discovery, I love Majora's Mask more and more.
These types of videos are perfect! Hooks us in with nostalgia, then teaches us something new about our favourite games! Certainly some of the more abstract bugs and secrets in this channel.. masterful!
One i found just yesterday. At the trading post, if you talk to the man behind the counter he’ll respond differently to Link’s forms (ie: refuses to sell to Deku Link cuz he’s a kid)
Losers: "Potted plants"
Looygi: "Jars of plant"
I feel waiting for the final day and final hours to do the bottom of the well isn't very time efficient, but still got the shield for the reset
It’s good for multitasking, you can get the items while you do other things and then zip straight to the mirror shield before the reset
Oh wow this is all so fascinating! Thank you for all the great information.
There is something curious in Twinmold's lair, under the center pedestal, if you roll, Tatl pops out to make a target.
If you press Z at the right time, it actually targets.
Does anything else happen?
These plants they bring back inside is the cutest useless detail, love it
So, Mikau is Mick Jagger? the guy is 79 atm, healthy as ever and still a rockstar 😆
That's some appropriately ominous music to have on Tingle there at the end. He's always creeped me out...
Doubt they were going by the same rules with the Zora’s lifespan back then. Ruto is described as a child when Link’s a child and they both grow up in parallel pretty much after 7 years. The Zora child in BotW mention how slowly they grow, being eager to grow as fast as Hylians.
Most likely a random number much like how even knowing Link was 10 was given 5 internally.
Excellent work finding all these!
You can get below the graveyard before night of 3rd day, all you need is a blast recoil.
coming back after such a long time and seeing that new intro. i gotta say, the intro felt so satisfying
I never thought in the future was going to find out so much stuff about Majora's and ocarina, because I believed I discovered everything related they both, but you never know, I'd love to be translated in Spanish like swanky box, but that's fine I'd get use to it
There is also a Big Poe in that large room on the right on the maze map. If you go for that Big Poe, you can complete the maze on Day 1.
Concerning the mask ages, I've a feeling that Deku Link and Young Link are mistakenly inverted.
If they were, then the age of 12 for Young Link would place Majora's Mask canonically two years after Ocarina of Time.
Three. Link was 9 in OoT
Then it would *literally* look like Young Link did grew during the release of OoT and the development and release of Majora.
The guide through the Ikana well is really well-made. You know what? You should release a separate video for it, I bet this would be helpful for a lot of players.
Agreed, next playthrough I'll definitely be coming back for that info!
Eh, it's only viable on the night of the final day. I'd rather a guide showing the quickest route through the well with the least number of items required entering.
Signposts tidbit is a little creepy, especially considering they don't appear to "grow" in OOT. I appreciate the quickest route through Ikana Well, too. If you're willing to spend some time down there, you can find most of the items you need (excluding milk and beans iirc?) already down there or get them from enemy drops. I know there's definitely a Big Poe down there which makes the mini-dungeon more self sustaining, but knowing it can be blitzed through on the third night with minimal prep is a handy tip!
There's a room with a cow to get the milk from, by playing Epona's Song to it, but you have to get the beans from elsewhere
More fantastic content. Also, I'm loving the custom cam, great movement.
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I had to double-check this, but the 3DS version of that room uses the Japanese version. The cutscene skip still works, too!
Well for Pete’s sake I could never figure out why the gong only gave me rupees some times and not others 😆
I feel like the ages for the Deku butler's son and Link, and Darmani and Mikau were switched. There is no other indication in the N64 games that N64 Zoras live this long, Link sure isn't 5, the little Deku could have been though and both Darmani and Mikau look more fitting as 78 and 30 respectively, at least from a human perspective. If the devs had meant for N64 Zoras to live that much longer than humans they would have let it be known somewhere, like in BotW where it's a plot point and remarked multiple times. Also consider that around 30 is a normal age for men to start having children, and Mikau died a dad.
I found some interesting things in the game, but these three seem most intriguing:
1. When stunned, you can attack Gyorg by rolling towards him
2. You can dodge a Garo’s charge attack with a well-timed back flip
3. Some enemies will drop items depending on a arrow type they’ve been killed by:
Fire arrow = More arrows
Ice arrow = A whole heart (a rupee if full)
Light arrows = A purple rupee!
Love these videos and the quality keep em coming!
My only question is, how exactly do you figure this stuff out? For how long these games have been around, it's interesting I'm seeing stuff I didn't know before. Great work as usual.
I'm sure there's at least two things to it, he has played and finished the game dozens and dozens of times, and he spends dozens and dozens of hours exploring and literally combing each area for every last detail without rest until completely done.
Absolutely amazing- Small details I would have never noticed or known!!!
Interesting how zora ages lasting a long time existing as far back as majoras mask but then falls apart when you consider in ocarina of time ruto goes from a child to an adult in the span of 7 years
Not only the longevity is confirmed, but Mipha also tells link, that the zoras age differently.
If you go into Aveil’s room with the Stone Mask on while the pirates are still in there, she will alert her guards upon seeing you.
Exactly, that's why the beehive had to be shot down.
Just subbed, I don't play them but they're great "cool things"
How, just how are you finding so many things in zelda games that I already know so much about.
It surprises me everytime without fail.
5:00 And if you don’t want to wait until the Final Night, just bring in some bombs since you’d probably have them anyway and get the Big Poe from the well itself.
Since Sidon was a very young child, before the events of the calamity, and appears to be in his early to mid 20's, 100 years later. I think its safe to assume a Zora ages 20 years, every 100 years.
If this is even roughly accurate, Mikau, died probably around the Zora age of 17/18.
Which is pretty damn young...
(Doesn't explain Ruto aging the same pace as Link in OoT though...unless she was way older and had a growth spurt some point in the 7 year time skip?)
or maybe they just reach physical maturation at the same time and they just live in that adult stage longer
It's hard to tell how old Sidon is supposed to look like. For all we know he could be an equivalent of 50.
@@codemancz798 nice pfp Alberto barbosa
Lol love that you ended it with a flying tingle
I think it is more realistic that deku corresponds to 5 and hound link to 12. We don’t know the average life span of a deku scrub. They could have very short lives.
You can actually complete a heart container as Deku Link during the 1st 3 day cycle. You can obtain these 4 heart pieces in Clock Town as Deku Link within this cycle.
The 1st one can be obtained on the Clock Tower deck after trading the Moon’s Tear.
The 2nd one can be obtained by winning the postman’s game on nights 1 and 2.
The 3rd one can be obtained by trading the title deed at the inn after midnight.
The 4th one can be obtained by winning the Deku Playground game 3 times each day.
This channel is my favourite. I hope you never run out of this stuff
I don't remember the ghost part of the well.
It's been a minute since I did it, though.
I knew the jars vanished, but I didn't know where they went! That's super cool!
4:36 - 5:40 well I understand this is less long but I rather Explore the Whole Well I still have to go get a Magic Bean and a Potion for the Entrance but once I have those Everything else is Easily Accessible inside the Well YES EVEN THE BIG POE! it's Possible!
god i love these! so many i dont know! almost all of them, but one!
King Dorephan is hundreds of years old and there’s that weird relationship with a hylian and zora “kid” but who is actually 300 years old.
I think the kid (if we’re thinking of the same one) said she was 30
Ok, my mistake, I thought she was a lot older.
Getting that Gian Poe from the graveyard feels like more of a hassle that just doing the well. Although I suppose that on future runs I could just take advantage of doing that quest before getting the mirror shield since I usually do 100% runs. But I have to wonder if someone has figured out the most optimized way of going from beginning of cycle to getting the shield, preparation included.
Honestly, just being deku nuts and bombs, then use them to access the room beneath the well that contains a Big Poe. I'm shocked that wasn't in this video, TBH. It was actually in the player's guide back in the day, and has been online for pretty much the same period of time.
I like the Zubora and Gabora details. MM is one of the best in the franchise.
2:50 oh my god, this is actually so helpful for me.
All these years I spent thinking the random blue rupee was just random chance and never noticed it was a timing thing :O
in the well there are also some cows and a poe you can use in the side rooms to get the required items so that it is not as aggravating to traverse, you do need to get some other items to opens those paths though.
... fine I'll play Majora's Mask again.
The thumbnail had Hylian Link at 5. I believe he is 10 in Ocarina of Time though.
Since Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time use the same game engine the model of Link is pretty much the same (if not exactly the same).
This should mean that Link is 10 in Majora's Mask, too.
Also, doesn't Majora's Mask take place right after Ocarina of Time? In any case, it's very hard to believe that Link would be 5 in Majora's Mask.
It’s just an internal number that OoT uses, too, his canon age in OoT is 10 and Majora’s Mask takes place not long after
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I heard elsewhere in this comment section that MM is 2 years after OoT. Still waiting on a source for that.
In the meantime, Miyamoto stated in an Iwata Asks interview for OoT3D that Link was 9 in the Past.
I don't know if already put this but, let me tell you another fact. During the alien invasion if play the song that makes slow time, the aliens begin to move slow too.
I’m pretty sure the building for the Treasure Chest mini-game in Clocktown is just a regular in-game chest enlarged, given a door, and a couple posters.
I haven’t compared the textures yet to confirm, but if so, it’s a great example of the clever way they reincorporated already existing assets
You can obtain the big poe in the maze, its not necesary wait 2 days to pass the ikana maze
That would require you to get more stuff to appease the Gibdos between the entrance and where the Big Poe is.
Looygi's point at that part is getting all the stuff you need outside of the Well.
The Zora ages thing is soooo cool I had no clue :O
Absolutely love your channel content. Mikau aged incredibly well, I wonder how old Toto or King Zora are now. Thought he would have been at least in his mid to late thirties to forty. I have to say, it makes me rather sad now that I know how the Deku Butler's son was slain. I'm so glad Zelda historia is a thing with this franchise.
I love this series!
Is link doing push ups an ideal annimation? I haven't seen it before
It was part of a removed cutscene where the Great Fairy Of Wisdom would put Link through physical training to enhance his defense, same with a scene where the Great Fairy Of Power would be more hands-on in teaching Link the Spin Attack. As I said, both cutscenes were ultimately dummied out of the final version.
@@TheBanishedWind Which is a real shame, it would have added a bit more character to it all.
Its kinda interesting that even without confirmation back in 2000 zoras apparently live really long lives according to the devs
Its kinda interesting that even without confirmation back in 2000 link apparently is 5 years old according to the devs
@@Josuh i saw a comment that said maybe young link and delu link were switched last second so young link would be the first option on the debug list, and forgot to swap the age numbers around
@@sagenebula7120 it could be the same for the goron and the zora. They might actually be swapped.
... It's somewhat upsetting that Tingle is older than every Link form except Mikau.
But also Mikau's death is still such a sour moment. His death makes no sense, considering you can find him at any day. He just floats there... For three days. Around people that absolutely would have seen him. Heck, Tingle is floating above him the entire time. Probably has an excuse for that, though. "But I'm fairy-ly sure that's just a dead fish, he's too Kooloo-'Limp'ah!"
Your videos are awesome! 🎮🎮
What are you using to get the custom camera? I've been wanting to do some in-game photography but all I have been using is no hud and moon jump cheats.
In MM3D regardless which country you’re from in the pirates’ Fortress in the hook shot room, it’s based of the og’s Japanese version but the chest is facing towards the main entrance
Nope, it faces the couch.
I checked this myself when I was checking the design earlier.
Some items you need for opening the door in the well can be found in the well. Also if you are broke and don't want to spend a single rupee for milk there is a hidden grotton in the exact place where Skull Kid met his fairy friend. You don't need to return to the beans vendor in the palace if you need bean. The Deku seller near of the Office tourism sell them at the same price than the him. You only need to see him once for the path leading to the monley
You can get a big ghost in the Maze, this is way faster and Requires bombs i think.(not sure)
Nuts and a Fish, I saw elsewhere.
You also missed Looygi's point, which was to minimize detours through the Well.
Bringing the Big Poe from the Graveyard allows you to make a beeline for the Mirror Shield.
In all honesty I feel like the ages make way more sense if Link and Deku are switched, as well as Darmani and Mikau. Link obviously isn't 5 years old, but that age makes a lot of sense considering the treatment Deku gets. Correspondingly, Darmani seems fairly old to me. He's a known veteran, and was in line to be the next patriarch of his tribe, a rank usually reserved for wise and elden Gorons. It's true that Zoras have a long lifespan, but to me it makes way more sense to read Mikau as 30 and Darmani as 78. Fierce Deity's age is spot on, though.
Dramani being 98 wouldn't match, he'd be an old man by then, while Zoras are in their prime somewhere around 100
My fan theory is that the characters are based on middle earth characters. The deku are the hobbit people, beings that lives in the calm woods, the goron are the dwarves, beings that lives in the mountains and have the brotherhood as marked signal, the zoras are the elfs, beings that lives thousands of years and are very beautiful and graceful, and the hylian are the humans. I don't if this have been confirmed sometime, but i've just theorized this in my mind.
its pretty amazing how those details like the zora´s logebility were planned since then, this makes me thinks abput the theory where the princess rutela from twilight princess its actually ruto from ocarina of time and also, if ruto was a ¨child¨when link was in ocarina of time and them grows up basically at the same time that link does, that means that when link was a child ruto may be around the 50-60 years (cause mikau was 78 and just then started looking like an adult)
I don't think it works like that, in real life, aging and maturing are two completely separate processes, and it'd be more reasonable to assume the age at witch they reach maturity and their overall lifespan don't scale exactly.
@@MrHinchapelotas maybe their like the cats, in about 6 months grow very fast even if they can like for even 10 years, i didn´t think about that before but makes more sense
@@zeromontalvan1514 10 years? Cats can live to be 20!
Rutela was Ruto's mother or mother-in-law, she apparently married the OoT King Zora.
Seems like the ages are switched. Link seems closer to 12, while Deku Link seems closer to 5. Same with Darmani being 78 and Mikau being 30. I know what BotW says, but I doubt Zora longevity was part of the lore when Majora's Mask was written. Also, Darmani looks old, whereas Mikau does not.
For all we know, Zora longetivity might have been planned from the start. Nintendo just didn't have a chance to show it before BotW
In Majora's Mask, we actually see an old Goron, too. Darmani looks much younger than him
In oracle of ages (2001) the zora king is long lived, and is alive in the present after you cure him in the past. It's possible this lore existed unstated in MM
@@AlliroG98 Nintendo didn't plan any aspect of Zelda from the start. They still don't plan anything out.
@@Drew_150 The Oracle games came after Majora's Mask, buddy. And King Zora's age was likely nothing more than a gameplay element featured in Oracle of Ages regarding time travel.
I think the Zora age thing could be sort of similar to Elves in a way. Gorons are kind of like the dwarves of the Zelda world, and Zoras are like elves. Which in fantasy usually either have extremely long lifespans, or are even immortal
I think the Elves-like creatures are rather Kokiris: they are also immortal, never change and keep the same age (except that they are children forever, contrary to the Elves). Besides, they also live in a forest.
Mirror shield in 2 minutes.. after rounding up 4 different things from around the whole world. Idk about that one being 'faster' lol.
Wow amazing tips! I had to do the Well twice on a recent "speedrun", took 1 hr 1st time. So confusing. This will save so much time in the future!
That's a really neat find regarding the Zora age! From way back in development of perhaps OoT it they were supposed to be long lived. That doesn't jive with how Ruto goes from being a kid to a young adult in 7 years. However, I think we are supposed to believe that Rutela from TP is Ruto from OoT so that would check out.
For all we know, child ruto may be 30. If we're going by the logic of that sidequest in BOTW and she just finally got tall.
Not necessarily. The maturity rate is unknown. It doesn't have to mean that it takes forever to hit maturity, or that Zora biology is the same as humans. It could simply mean that Zoras mature early and are long lived.
Or they didn't think about it back then and Mikau and Darmani's ages where swapped
Zoras are like Hyrule's Wood-Elves.
It always bugged me that the Goron ghost looks much older than Goron Link, but Goron Link at 30 looks about right.
Alternatively, you can not wait until the last night of the cycle and you can just take 10 bombs with you into the well along with the milk and fish, there is a big poe down there already. It would be especially foolish to put so much distance between a necessary item and where you need it. The possible downsides of getting it elsewhere doesn't really save time either considering you have to beat Captain Keeta to even get to the dungeon catacomb that houses the big poe, and we won't even talk about how miserable it is leading Dampé around.
This leaves you the rest of your 3 day cycle to full clear Ikana instead of standing around.
More than the Big Poe, you need to best Keeta to even reach the Well, since you need the Gibdo Mask, which requires the Song Of Storms, which is locked behind Keeta.
4:19 Actually, you could just go one right and up after the 5 magic beans, and there will be a big poe waiting for you
Too much of a detour. Looygi's point is to make a beeline for the Mirror Shield.
Almost thought you were gonna tell Tingle's age as well at the xD
If I remember correctly, he is 34.
The man of the photo contest tells that if you show a picture of Tingle.
I would like to see if the sign hight would change with the fierce deity mask. It would be funny if it chamged with the giant mask but i dont think theres a way for it to actually make you giant outside of the twinmold battle
in oots water temple the main tower when the water is at level 2 dive down equip iron boots head to the spot with the small key when you get back in the water hit the dive button so link is under the celing in the area below, swim back to the water level control panel. when link gets out of the water the atmosphere in as if link is under water
I wouldn’t say doing dampé graveyard instead of the big poe room in the well as a breeze, fast or easy. I'd rather do the whole well twice rather than do one Dampé xD