You're going to have to let it go to succeed my friend. I look for and watch videos showcasing interesting and unusual products while providing good analysis and ideas for improvements. You still have that in you. Let that be your guiding light. I personally avoid drama videos on any channel but I've probably still watched more of yours than any other channel. Right or wrong, wrong or right, it's really not as valuable as the engineer's eye you have and the design commentary I've seen from you.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Well, after watching for a few minutes I didn't really see a solid point of the video, sounded more like the kinds of things that weighs you down if you let yourself worry about it. There was a negativity about something but idk what that is. My main reason for being picky about what I make videos of is because the creator and the viewer's time are both valuable resources. I just didn't see what this video was about after watching for a few minutes. It reminds me of things I may have let into my mind from the outside world, and the wastes of time they led to. Can't let some things get into your mind, because your mind is worth more.
I realize that you have better things to do than wade into the "drama" of my battle with tHe ComMunItY. When attention spans are scarce I understand why the narrative that I am out of balance emotionally is an attractive answer that allows people to easily dismiss me and escape being burdened trying to establish an impartial truth in the situation. Thank you for your earnest interaction. There is a cabal. If you don't believe me I can put you in contact with others who have run afoul of them as well. They largely control the narrative in the hobby of 3D printing. They are bullies. They have a registered pedophile in their ranks. They ban me from events, they contact every event and every vendor and tell them not to work with me. They have dragged my name and reputation through the mud in countless comment sections, reddit posts, and discord channels. It kinda looks like Tom is a part of this nasty crew, and the treatment is ongoing. The game for them is to do most of the damage behind the scenes. This ensures that considered folks such as yourself only see me making it public and thus infer that I am the problem. I seize every opportunity I can to make it public because I cannot win the anonymous behind the scenes battles. I'm just one man. Hence the video. Please realize this has been going on for 6 years. This is not a feud. It's one abuse. a group in the hobby with far more influence than I exert mobilizes an army of their followers to damage me. Do you think I could escape their influence and achieve success elsewhere? Do you think they would allow me to gain an audience (a louder voice) when the whole game is about controlling the narrative and they don't want my narrative to be known?
@@DesignPrototypeTest Don't worry, it isn't really me worried about my time, I'm more worried about your time. Something might take one minute of my time as a viewer, but it takes hours of your time as a creator, as a person. I've made a lot of communities angry at me, especially the Grant Thompson community back in 2019, when I basically made a video saying "He got what he risked", and it would be too easy for me to focus on the shrapnel from my own interactions with others online, and instead just keep plowing forward. I have a lot of people who hate me, been doing youtube too long not to, and I've actually been able to speed ahead and keep broadcasting what I think is right, and I collect people who like me. One of the biggest disservices the internet can do is to make you think those communities are bigger than they are. I was a professional rapid prototyper at Apple, I post several 3D print files a month on Printables, and yet I don't interact with the 3d printing community. That's by design. Maybe you won't mind me saying but I think the 3D printing community sits around picking their noses, I don't have time for that. One thing I keep in mind is that people with online interactions tend to not put any effort into them, so they easily come off as if they are making harsh or evil judgement when they are just frivolously reacting. I think it might help you be your best self, with less stress, if you find a way to remove the stressfull thoughts that outsiders put in your mind. I continually make sure I weed out thoughts that I wouldnt naturally have come to (if they are a detriment) so as to keep my internal peace. I don't think badly of you at all, I just have sympathy for you because I have been in similar situations, and I handled it inefficiently for a time. All that worry about the community is unatural thoughts put in your head that keep you from doing the amazing things you would have otherwise been doing. Worries can entrap you. I realized that my haters don't stop others from watching.
I think you take it personalty, this was not an attack on you. I have to say that the Josef Prusa story was sick and showing the evil side of Prusa and the fans. I think Thomas is also a Prusa fanboy just watch his XL review saying nothing bad about the printer as other channels did previously(i have to admit that previous prusa reviews were more balanced and i liked them). I still thinks that you should just ignore Prusa universe and do your own thing because it looks like it taking the toll on you and it's not worth it.
I hate drama. You've called out Prusa (and perhaps others?) So they strike back. Not a surprise. They use their power to attack back. I'm not surprised. How about getting past individuals and move onto products, results, ideas. I like aurora tech. She rates printers, gives the pros and cons and doesn't seem to "go after" any brand or any other YT channel. This is the first one of your videos I've seen in over a year and it's the old story - drama. Others are bullying you and it's not fair. I recall you're a smart guy, an Industrial Designer like me but with a lot of electronics and 3DP knowledge. I think if you stuck to 3d printers, tech, results and ideas, and left off the drama and kept videos to 12 -15mins tops, you would add many subscribers. I think Joseph Prusa might be a bit concerned that you might make a 3d Printer and become competition. No matter. Ignore the torpedoes, full steam ahead. 👍
SO YOU ADMIT IT! Tom is on team Prusa. He IS NOT an independent trustworthy unbased RUclipsr. That's why it is acceptable and forgivable for him to call me insane. That's what you are saying right? If you hate the drama why are you clicking on a video titled "Is so and so ATTACKING me." and then leaving a comment?
I don't own a Prusa and don't know anything about them firsthand. I have an old school Makergear M3 SE and its been fun getting it to print well. Have I admitted anything? Just my opinions.I'm just trying to help you by suggesting you move past emotion and drama, that's all.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Tom isn’t so much on team Prusa as he is on “Team ” as is most RUclips 3d printer influencers. It’s in their economic interest to do so because that grants them products and access for their content. Prusa is just one of those companies. You can’t see it that way because ur in some holy war with Prusa and everything you see is filtered through the lens of being with you or against you (and for prusa).
I will always rock with you on the content side of things. You always bring a really good engineering perspective to 3d printing. The only way to beat the machine is to out do them in content. At the end of the day, the other creators do not want to deal with the drama. I agree with the question you posed on Sanjay. It wasn't disrespectfully, but it posed a real question that everyone seems to be avoiding. But keep in mind Sanjay is a Holy Grail of the 3d printing oligarchs. I personally only knew about all the drama after you talked about it. This is my 2 cents. Don't give in and even mention their names.....beat them in content. If they bring drama, quickly highlight it (briefly!!) and beat them again with better content. The whole series of g {_} |\| $ directly to your door from china is a perfect example of good content (engineering discussion) that they can't possibly make. Heck... make them blocking you on social media an inside joke on the channel, then whoop them again in great engineering content. In Hip Hop terms... You're, " the favorite Rappers, favorite Rapper." Or in other words... The real person who can explain the engineering side without a planned script for the sake of open discussion. Happy early Fathers Day!
The pissing contest is one thing. To point to the best of something, or the worst or something, or the cheapest of something, these analyses have value. In WWII (or it may have been WWI), a rifle was thrown together in such a fashion that parts were not interchangeable from another one. The weapon was so unreliable that attempting to shoot an enemy would only draw attention to you and get you shot by someone with a functional rifle. The rifle was an example of something cheaper than any other but not worth having at any price. Identifying the cheapest possible 3D printer that actually works is worth doing. When I started, it was said by most people that the Ender 3 was just that. Had a $70 machine been available at that time, I would have gone for it because I wanted to minimize the risk that 3D printing just wasn't for me. Luckily it is for me and I just purchased a Bambu Lab A1 Mini and then a P1S a few weeks later. Those purchases were based on your evaluation of a brand of printers that arguably are the best one can get for the money.
This video has no added value :-( Why everyone is attacking you? Do you really think that you are a thread to Prusa?? ;-) I do not thing so... Follow advice from Prusa...
Hello, As someone that have been in 3d world since I and a friend built each one a "fully custom" Hephestos back in 2015 end, ordering single parts for it from Aliexpress, I value a lot the engineering approach that we find amongst (only a few) content creators, such as you. You have a deep analytical view from the engineering perspective, that I value a lot. But I tend to drift away from your videos for a good while when this kind of content is uploaded, because it is a felt (to me as a) loss of talent. I know, the channel is yours and you do what you want with it. And I am not pointing any direction to follow, just expressing you my thoughts about this, in a personal and felt way. I was once also a Thomas subscriber, but I also went away since I felt that when his channel started to be his main income, he lost (and we have to agree that it is reasonable to at least filter some "harder" opinions on reviews) some of his "spontaneous spark"... I think that if you earn from X activity, you can't be completely transparent, and therefore, even if we don't like, some lines have to be drawn. My wishes to you are that you keep that spark, upon 3d subjects that matter to you, preferably from your engineering point of view. I learnt a lot from your videos, speacially the how to ones, like the timelapse with SLR and remote, the filament dryer (I use the dehydrator with a cake transporter box instead), etc, and let all that go... :) Best regards :)
These sort of things happen all over, it's not just with 3D printing. I would ignore it and just keep putting out the content. The more good you put out the more people will see and respect you for it.
If I was the first on the scene and had a clear lead then I would have the luxury of just ignoring them and continuing to perform/dominate. Like I said in the video they control the narrative. MANY more people will see their attacks against me than will even see this rebuttal. If I don't answer then their narrative about me wins. It's already winning but at least I'm fighting back instead of rolling over. I won't let them spread a fabrication about me without sticking up for myself. How much more successful would my videos/channel be if they had not convinced so many in tHe ComMunItY to block my channel and downvote on sight thus skewing the algorithm?
Stop focusing on the drama, i don't remember how i found your channel. I've been following for the technical aspect of it but if this drama keeps going i'll just unfollow, if i want to watch drama i turn on the TV.
I don't understand how this "drama" narrative is such a thing. It seems like a total manipulation to me. Are you a real person or a sock puppet? Feel free to unsubscribe. That's kind of the goal. My life got a lot better on X when tHe cOMmuNiTy stopped following me. It's a garbage group with garbage leadership. Nothing admirable. That's why I make these videos. To show the ugliness that they try to keep hidden. But you want to make any pushback against your beloved group just go away with a single dismissive word. "Drama." I don't think you understand the concept of right and wrong. All you know is "them vs. us."
Did Tom made a vid 3 months before your first video about that printer? Looks like you both had the same idea. The Video from Tom does not look like it just took 7 days so i guess he did not saw your video from 7 days ago and thourght he should copie it. maybe..
ahh right. my fault for not watching the whole video and understanding your point right away. I think I would also add to your points of why many makers act towards you in this blocking and ... rude, short worded way, that you are different. Not different in a bad way, just not quite like them. Everyone is a bit different and thats ok (I dont want to analyze too much here from a non professional stant, nor do I have the full scope of all the moments that have happened). Maybe they are not interacting with you because they are thinking about the potential change of their position in the maker community. When you talked about brains that are not perfect but still have genius qualities, let's not try to focus too much on how different you are, but more on what you add to society and e.g. the world of 3D printing. I still enjoy the 3D printing videos from you. And I am glad that you are part of this maker scene, even though it is sad and not everyone takes the time and energy to make interaction between all makers possible. Looks like the communication is not "open source".
I think you are thinking too much into this... I still dont see how he is going after you. I think you should calm down and talk to Thomas directly to clear things up.
@DesignPrototypeTest I wish I knew him well enough to connect both together. Maybe if enough of us leave messages on his videos to connect with you, he might reach out to you. Ps. I learn a lot from your videos and hope you keep putting out videos.
Hey man, thanks for the video. Good to know. Prusa is shit, always has been, if they can't just admit to that then they are noobs at life. Would you buy parts for your car engine that someone made in their back-yard make-shift furnace and smoothed over with a dremel? No, so why would you buy a 3D printer that had all it's parts made on another 3D printer, which had all it's parts made on another 3D printer, at a higher cost than one which was made on precision machinery?.. I agree that it is wrong of them to make suggestive comments about your mental health if they don't even regard you as a friend.
You are definetly "crazy", in german you would say "verrückt" which roughly means transposed to the norm. Most interesting people are. I really liked you tinkering on that cheap printer and found Toms video appearing a bit noteworthy too. Apart from that: Keep the technical videos coming, they are much more enjoyable than you "complaining" about attacks. I don't claim that no one attacks you but what is there I can do about? I won't buy a prusa machine anyway (only the XL would be interesting but is way to expensive). Besides watching your videos if they interest me there is not much to do.
The thing you feed is the thing that grows. Don't click on it and don't leave comments if this is how you really feel. I didn't see your comment on my last drama free video.
Man, I'm producing about 1/10th of what I'm capable of. I don't have any motivation to do more. Spending a couple hours making this video did not detract from my motivation/productivity in any meaningful way. Meanwhile feeling ostracized and seeing a guy who I like and admire call me insane is pretty unmotivating. Like 3 years ago I stopped making the videos that would be successful because I looked at the results and it seemed almost certain that my channel was being artificially held back by the negative publicity campaign from ThE cOmMunItY. So now I just make the videos I feel like making. I felt like making this one because I want people to see Tom treating me badly for no reason.
The ironic thing is that he doesn't understand that videos like this only serve to provide just cause for why he should continue to be banned from RepRap festivals.
You're right! I do not understand what you are talking about. Because it is incorrect. Can you please justify your claim that this video gives "just cause" to RMRRF to ban me. You won't do it. It's not possible. Just like all my other detractors you will leave a comment and then we will never hear from you again. What I think you are actually talking about is a popularity contest. I'm not making myself popular with tHe cOMmuNiTy by making a video like this. But popularity has nothing to do with Justice or what is right/wrong. You don't understand that distinction. That is why you are able to be manipulated as a brainless member of the mob. You think popularity equals correctness.
@@DesignPrototypeTest oh I'm quite happy to explain. Events like RepRap festivals are about the whole community coming together to have a good time. If someone wants to make it all about them to the detriment of others then they will find themselves unwelcome at such events. You're inability to say OK, there's some people who see the world differently to me and move on with life is what is likely at the root cause of this. If you stopped focussing on what they are doing and dropped the whole "the world is out to get me" routine then you might start to get somewhere. Stop worrying about them, cause I can absolutely 100% assure you that they aren't spending 1% as much mental energy worrying about you. Move on, do your own thing. The best way to prove them wrong is not by endless drama videos like this but by actually doing great things. I've seen plenty of you older content, you're smart and talented. So, go so something great and let that demonstrate why they've made the wrong call. While you spend all this time and energy focussed on victim mentality it's only going to continue to get worse for you, that much I can guarantee.
You know what tipped me off to your low social rank? It was the use of the passive voice. saying "If someone wants..." instead of directly talking about MY actions/words. Then you strawman me saying I have no ability to "say OK, there's some people who see the world differently to me" when this is not a behavior I ever exhibited. Here, let me demonstrate: Ok, you see the world different to me. You were likely raised by a single mother in an politically leftist and female driven environment. You think that the most important thing in the world is to understand and appreciate people who are different from you. As if miscommunication is the ultimate evil. And there aren't predators who don't intend to communicate. They just intend to destroy and take what they want as long as they can get away with it. Understanding them won't stop them from being evil. AND I would argue that I understand those who are different than myself better than you do because I'm identifying the predators who run tHe ComMuNitY while you think they are beyond criticism. Now that I've proved you wrong on that account let me address this notion that I should be banned from RMRRF because I'm self centered with a persecution complex. These aren't dangerous character traits. RMRRF justified their ban because of "safety." So you are attempting to escape your undeniable wrongness by crafting an irrelevant narrative. Once again you are citing things that make me unlikable or unpopular. Because you don't understand right and wrong. All you understand is group membership. That is why you are able to be manipulated as a brainless member of the mob who refuses to believe the OBVIOUS truth that your king of 3D printing is an severe egotist just based on his stupid shirt (far worse than me because you don't even know my name because I don't want you to because I'm not here for my ego despite your accusations). I'll bet you are the sucker that paid $30 for the privilege of glorifying his ego by wearing the same shirt. Let me hit you with a truth bomb: You think that you and your in-crowd are powerful in your numbers. That power makes you think you are valuable. But you are just as worthless as you would be without the mob because being a member of the mob means you don't get to think. You aren't allowed to step out of line. If you aren't thinking then you don't control your own actions. You are being lead by whoever is crafting the narrative. You cannot think or say anything that violates the group norms. Lest you become pariah like myself. You have no power. You are a tool who doesn't even have the self awareness to realize what he is. That is why you attack me. Nothing that you've accused me of resembles reality. You are attacking me first and trying to manufacture reasons second. If you think I'm wrong try steering the group in some way. Try saying something that doesn't go along with the "consensus" over there in your discord. Don't be a spinless flip-flopper either. If you say it stick to it. Ayfekinderya
@@DesignPrototypeTest sorry don't know what you're talking about I'm not in any Discord. And your attempt to psychoanalyse what I said and presume information about how I may have grown up or my political leanings is actually completely wrong and bares very little in common with reality. As for your belief that the entire 3D printing world is run by a kabal controlled by Prusa and his mates, well honestly, I can't help you there, I've owned and built several printers and none of them have been a Prusa. Not because they are bad machines, but I have an engineering background so I tend toward wanting to get the machine or tool that best fits my needs. As for the rest of what you wrote, I attempted to help you gain a little understanding as to how people outside your own present head space view this matter. I owe you nothing and you owe me nothing, so take it or leave it, I really could not care either way. What I can promise you, is that while you continue on this unhealthy and frankly unhelpful trajectory you will continue to lose subs and become more and more ostracised by the 3d printing community which you so clearly want to be a part of. What comes next is upto you, the ball is quite literally in your court. I wish you well.
@@DesignPrototypeTest and as for me being of low social status, yeah wrong again. Not doing so well with your psychoanalysis. As for your name? I really couldn't care less.
I've got some skills and some knowledge that could position me to be leadership as such. However, no man is an island. I would need a team to be a part of. The time to start a 3D printer company in the west was 15 years ago. We could definitely see some new exciting companies in the space coming from China.
You don’t know me, you haven’t seen any of my videos. Suppose I put up a video claiming I’m being attacked by you. I then show some very sketchy “evidence” that seems to ooze with confirmation bias. I then try to attend a festival that I know you will be at. Tell me, would this concern you?
It wouldn't concern me. I would respond to you. Just like I'm doing here. I would talk to you so we could attempt to work this out.. See, communication is how rational human beings function in the world. I get no communication from tHe cOMmuNiTy. All I get is anonymous avatars disparaging my person.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Interesting. Suppose after you reach out to me, I still take your words out of context in order to fit a false narrative/conspiracy that I have in mind? Is this relationship with a random really worth your time? How many attempts at fixing this relationship you be willing to spend before calling it quits?
I criticize things which should be called out. I ask questions when information is being suspiciously withheld. But I disagree with the statement that I attack. It implies aggression and malice which I don not exhibit.
I don't know. Why did you click on this video? Why did you leave a comment? I didn't see you on the last video which featured none of the "nonsense." The algorithm feeds you what you want, even if you pretend like you don't want it.
Yep I expected this kind of video once I saw Thomas post his video after yours... I really doubt he saw your video then rushed to steal your idea and get a video out that fast (also noticed you removed the community post that drove me to unsub from you, the one where you declared yourself the Trump of the 3D printing community) smh
I don't like Trump. But you can't think rationally about him. You have Trump derangement syndrome. Just mentioning his name causes you to unsubscribe from me. You can't see the truth that I occupy the same niche in the 3D printing ecosystem as Trump occupies on the national political stage. Also you're just another reactionary who left a comment based on a vague thumbnail and didn't bother to watch my video. Given the interactions we've had, You seem to be a nice enough guy, but I have no respect for you beyond reciprocating, a certain politeness which you display in contrast to the vast majority of tHe cOMmuNiTy.
1st of all I watched the entire video after commenting (can admit I was jumping the gun assuming you were accusing him of stealing your idea) 2nd you are not qualified to diagnose me with so called "Trump derangement syndrome" based on my interactions, I Made it very clear that my issue was that You bothered to pick trump (of all people) as the person to compare yourself to and publicly stating that you are the Trump of 3DP community just to annoy "tHe CoMuNitY", and also as I pointed out in the original post Its a terrible comparison ( trumps enemies are anyone who doesn't support him or challenges him) that's rational
"after commenting" You mean after I called you out. You have not earned your judgement or tone of voice given the carelessness you've displayed wielding them. I literally have not respect for anything you say. You are uncontrollably emotional when the name Trump is mentioned and you assume you know what an entire video is about based on a vague thumbnail. The fact that you even bothered to respond to my last comment when you are so clearly in the wrong shows how shameless you are. Men who are consistently erroneous do not get to have influence. I liked it better when you were unsubscribed.
@@DesignPrototypeTestreally didn't think I had to be so clear as to say "watched your video THE SECOND I finished my comment" you literally jump to conclusions at the drop of a hat. Fk off with you high and mighty complex, I'm out. Good luck never listening to your audience (and no I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about the thousands of comments you get from fans you don't give a shit about that want you to drop your drama BS)
@@DesignPrototypeTest also you really think unsubbing equates to being uncomfortably emotional? if there's anything I've learned following you for over 5 years it's that you honestly think you have everyone figured out. You see one phrase of sentence and assume "yep this person is this category, which means they think this and feel this and I am superior to the, therefore I am right and my cause is just" and you've commented some of the most childish troll responses to people in your comments for the smallest things. You are incapable of change. I'd say get help but you've heard that enough from everyone.
borderline or bipolar disorder, one of the symptoms is a mania of persecution all the time for the smallest of acts, this channel has some good content... but because of this delayed drama I unsubscribed and this video appeared again as a suggestion... I unsubscribed when he made that shitty video about the death of the creator of the e3d hotend to much self importance...
What's my name? You know Tom's name. You know Stefan. You know Joel. You sure as s*** know Josef Prusa. Because apparently everything in 3D printing is authored by him. All those designs that everyone uploads to his servers are by him. So what's my name, and how do you know it? Don't you think an egotist would want you to know his name? I get so tired of proving you tHe cOMmuNiTy members wrong. You guys really are the worst people I've ever had to deal with in my life. It's this simple. I contributed value. Instead of being appreciated and welcomed, I've been ostracized and attacked for 6 years. You guys are the bad people. You really are the villains of this story. You serve a narcissist. Why are you making the world a worse place? Instead of correcting this Injustice. Instead of being a group of good people who make everyone else happy for having been a part, you continue the Injustice. You spin a narrative that I'm crazy instead of just saying "Thanks for the contribution man. We appreciate you." How hard is that. How broken are you that you can't be nice and instead have to dig into the very core of my being trying to convince me that I'm mentally deficient. Pure evil.
I thought kind of the same thing. The point of that thing is it's ridiculously cheap, BUT still actually works. Slapping on upgrades 5x the cost of the printer? Not much point.
I think you might be reading a bit more into what he said there than he really meant. I expect that video took more than a week to create, so he probably was working on it before you released your video on the threed printer. I don't know why he blocked you, and I won't defend him for it, but I do think the threed printer videos are a coincidence in this case.
I personally think that was a coincidence and not a jab at you. I can't know Thomas' intentions of course, but since in his original video on the printer he stated that he liked the machine, but it's close to Ender 3 price wise and wouldn't recommend it, that's how I interpreted the "no sane person". While I don't disagree with your take that it's a good entry printer, I think that if a person sticks with the hobby, they will quickly outgrow it, while the Ender 3 can grow with them. You yourself have made great videos on upgrading an Ender 3 and making it a very reliable 3D printer. Anyway, I have no horse in this race, I am simply stating my opinion.
Something I forgot to mention is that I really don't understand in your video about this printer why you said that this printer is better than the Ender 3. 3D printing has evolved way past the Ender 3 in the years since it came out, but this one has less features than the Ender 3. While it is impressive that it prints for the price, as you said, it's overpriced for what it is and has a lot of caveats. Please help me understand your reasoning, if you have the time.
I didn't think Tom was calling you out. The fact that he had you blocked, not sure why, he may not have even seen your video at the time he made his. He is definitely not in the Prusa fan boy group. I hung out with him at ERRF and you don't see him hanging out with Joseph the same way you see the 3D printing nerd crew.
Tom flew all the way to Washington State USA to meet with the 3D printing nerd at the Proto Pastas factory. He talks about 3DPN quite favorably. He is definitely in that club.
@@DesignPrototypeTestproto pasta isn't owned by Prusa but Print Solid is. ERRF is in Baltimore,MD and he flew out to that on his own dime. I worked the event so I see some of the things that happen when the cameras are off. We are all allowed to have our own options, but I didn't see Tom being in that camp.
To be clear i still like and respect Tom despite his treatment of me. I think he is playing politics. SO MANY times I've had comments from guys who clearly self identified as member of tHe ComMuNiTy who started their paragraph with the words "I don't own a Prusa but...[proceeds to defend Prusa and disparage me]" It's so prevalent that at this point it's a joke to me and I even made a meme about it ruclips.net/user/postUgkxeslfEA8mkTPkD7DB2hBb0DLZ0wKM8icj Just because Tom won't act like he works for Prusa to your face doesn't mean that he isn't an agent for that man/company. He has never said anything that amounts to real criticism about Prusa. He has had multiple factory tours. There are many videos which he has since deleted or hidden showing just how incredibly cozy he is with Josef. I think you are lying to yourself if you don't believe that Tom and Prusa are intertwined. I realize that you want to give him the benefit of the doubt but from my vantage point he definitely doesn't look like my friend. I get the feeling that he joins in bashing on my name/character behind the scenes.
my printer was 100 beer tokens 5yrs+ ago, was so crap it taught me so much. its still my only printer. i'll never buy a prusa after seeing this behavior.
Oh man that's quite a rabbit hole you went down, starting from the extremely unlikely assumption - that one of the statements Thomas Sanladerer made in his last video was somehow targeted at you, instead of 99% who would indeed be a bit crazy to buy this printer. I say it's unlikely because you also describe that Thomas blocked you on multiple platforms so he wouldn't watch it. Also from the content scheduling they talk about in the Meltzone podcast, it's possible that it was recorded before you published yours. Anyway, your last video was pretty cool but I didn't watch the part about upgrades yet, I'll check that out! And I'll watch Thomas' video too, everything he releases is such a treat.
I watched and enjoyed both videos. I'm sure you were both working on it concurrently without the knowledge of the other. Why presume he had even watched your video when he recorded that clip? Honestly, knowing your skills and knowledge, I Initially thought you were nuts wasting your time with such a printer. However, the video was worth watching. I learned something about the range of steppers I didn't know. I enjoy the good thoughtful technical content.
When I got started in 3D printing, there were no kits. No complete printers. The best you could get was a part kit, not a full printer kit. A wades geared extruder hardware, but not with the plastic. The Mendel threaded rod kit with bolts, but not anything else. No one person was selling complete sets of kits so you can purchase everything you need from one vendor. All the parts had to be purchased from eBay. There was approximately one guide online for full assembly of very specific parts, but no one who sold the complete set. One of the most common printers at the time was the wolf strap, a mostly wooden 3D printer you cobbled together to start printing parts to print another printer. This was the early days, it was brutal, but captivating. There were no easy ways, there were no troubleshooting guides, there were no slicers that were easy to install and no boards that came with firmware, you had to flash and install the firmware and configure all of the settings for your parts and calibrate, you had to do math. PLA was only just being experimented with, ABS was still the norm and 3MM was the de facto filament size, 1.75mm was still new and not widespread. There were no mainstream filament providers, they all came from random Chinese factories on eBay and you had no way of knowing if it was good. The only extruders at the time used Hobbed bolts, manually cut in a garage, there were no machine made extruder parts with precision. My printer consisted of springs from ones, clipboards cut in half , bolts gifted from a local hole in the wall makerspace and a single printed gear for the extruder. It took me 3 years to actually print regularly. 3 years of figuring out what was wrong, why something wasn’t running, how to find out if filament was bad, align and level beds, learn to assemble threaded rods with bolts and keep them square. I had gotten some of the most fantastic prints I ever had from that machine, but it always failed after a few prints. Maybe 6 complete prints from that machine ever, the rest was endless calibration and test pieces. At the end of three years kits started to pop up. I got one of the cheapest acrylic kits around for 200 dollars. I thought it was flimsy, but imagine my surprise when after 2 hours of assembly I could print repeatedly without error. I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, I recommended it to everyone and got several for a local library for use in their new makerspace. This was still before the names like creality and others really became standard, there was no go-to cheap printer that was reliable and every kit was a different vendor that may not exist a month later. I learned a lot on those machines that’s applied to so much of my life. I taught many children how to use them and repair them in that makerspace, driving 2 hours away after work to teach those classes. I was satisfied. I’ve been watching the advancements and I’m just blown away at what you can get these days at affordable prices, but it seems that reprap spirit has died down a little. It’s always just a race to the cheapest printer, or a better version of an existing design. When makerbot sold to 3D systems and they started patenting free ideas from the reprap forums, the wars began. The innovation is stifled. It’s great about the easy access, but I miss the early days, the raw enthusiasm and that drive for new unexplored territory. It’s been massively commercialized. I enjoy your content and you have enthusiasm, what it’s for varies from video to video, but you never fail to bring excitement in your voice and on your face, your one of the few 3D printer reviewers who displays that passion and it takes me back to remembering that feeling of raw excitement about the ability to digitally manifest physical items feels like. Showing the reality of cheap parts, constant fixes, upgrades, never about “look at this shiny thing I printed”. You show the raw reality. Keep being you, keep being honest.
I can’t imagine the problem will be around for too long, the industry has left Prusa in the dust and you’d now be nuts to consider one over a Bambu or some of the other new ones being launched.
It is essential for Prusa to be around for times to come. They continue innovation, brought us Prusa Slicer, showed the world that you can make a business from 3D printers. One thing we should not wish for is for Prusa to dissappear.
I don't see enough in Tom's video to think anything was amiss without you making this video. It's of course possible that it was some kind to dig at you but I just don't see enough there to think that.
Link to your upgrades? Please..I have one of these and want to "tweak" it without having to rebuild it. Why all the drama...3D printing is a community thing isn't it? Keep em coming!!!!
ruclips.net/video/0N25-wuunrQ/видео.htmlsi=MMxXQdqJ9lWOVvKz&t=626 at the 10:26 timestamp. You will need some steel wire, a pair of plyers, an a cutting implement. Total cost should be about $0.50 to achieve the same Benchie I showed in this video.
These old 3d printing content producers are all upset because 3D printing is now attainable by everyone - not just those who need to have the know how of how to build a 3D printer. They remind me of another group who 25 years ago were building their own custom desktop computers and getting butthurt when computers became available for everyone. Let's not forget: 3 years ago: 'The Race to the Bottom' videos were trending because 3D printer manufacturers were LAZY, no new innovations - just gimmicks. I'm glad.............BAMBU LAB shook up 'The Community'.
Hi, I have watched many videos that you have made. I like how technical and detailed they are. Ive never been interested in drama of any sort(anywhwere on the internet). I wish you the best :)
But all of the other followers of Tom and Prusa aren't DMing me. They are spamming the internet saying that I am mentally defective and need to seek therapy. So you can't point the finger directly at them but we all know where this narrative is coming from.
@@DesignPrototypeTest I know. You’re opinionated, not crazy. Probably one of the most intelligent minds I’ve seen in this space for sure. Keep doing your thing.
I recall a discord conversation for another "outsider" 3d printer youtube guy where he mentioned someday he would like to talk about some of these affiliate and referral programs offered to many youtube people. I won't mention the guy as I don't have permission but I do recall the conversation was about a video with Tom and the other big german guy and how funny it as for a moment when the other guy felt guilty for his shilling for bucks. Needless to say Tom calmed his nerves. I dropped my subscription soon there after.
It sure looks like Tom, The Printing Nerd, The Noob, CNC, etc have all had profit sharing with Prusa at some point and maybe ongoing. Nothing else would explain such a diverse group having such loyalty. Remember when the nerd got Doogie Howser to start printing using a Prusa? Yeah, I'm sure Prusa didn't pay for any of that.
@@DesignPrototypeTest And he let him inhale a lot of 3DGloop.... I wondered why I can't really buy it in Europe until I've read what is in that nasty stuff.
I knew the 3D printing community was toxic and a bunch of effing shills if they aren't trying to sell you something or sell you another companies product that's paying them to do it, they're trying to sell you their profiles least helpful community I've ever started........................
I think there's a couple things here. First is Tom has been in the 3d printing game for so long and used to high end machines, either tuned himself or higher end machines, and he might be more detached from lower end ones. So like what he feels is "normal" or "acceptable" is significantly higher end than reality, twisting his perception of the cheaper machines. Second, potentially ego, related to above, that he could believe that the low cost machine (that as above he may believe is even worse than it is) only achieved passable results due to his "expertise". Therefore putting these two hypothetical thought processes together he could feel that it is crazy for anyone to buy or recommend the low cost printer. This brings up another thing, how common the use of "crazy" or "insane " or similar statements are when making dramatic or hyperbolic statements. It's extraordinarily common. For instance Elon Musk's infamous tweet about being "insane" not to buy a Tesla because Robotaxis were coming. It's just a common term for drama. I DO know how much he is on Prusa's jock, but I really don't feel this is related to your review at all as you mention that he's blocked you already. It's just an interesting outlier of a printer to review due to its cost and there's only so many times you can review a new, almost identical to the previous mid range printer in the current market saturation. If he or Prusa had any foresight, he would show people how to get decent prints out of it as-is, explain the limitations, promote it as a low cost machine for people to test the waters with, and casually mention they could upgrade to a Prusa once they are at the limit of the $70 machine. That kind of sly marketing. Alas they didn't, but I don't feel like they think this is any threat to Prusa. Anyways, here's my comment for the engagement algorithm. Hope people will stick around to check out your back catalog of videos, CNC introduction, printer reviews, how to on making new bike levers for your kid. I kinda understand why you're doing the drama stuff, but I personally prefer the video types you make that I listed here.
Regarding Your 6th Paragraph: SHHHHH! FFS don't give them the answer. Let them keep making mistakes. But the beautiful thing is that they won't ever enact this strategy. They are incapable of magnanimity as evidenced by their treatment of me. Thank you for your sacrifice to the engagement algorithm gods may it appease them. However, I suspect that no show of piety will overcome the momentum from 23 unsubscribes so far. Even though the ratio currently sits at 75% upvotes all the algorithm cares about for long term success is the subscriber count. This video will soon perish. Likely topping out at around 2.5k views.
I think that a beginner who wants to get into 3D printing to print things, this little printer is not a good choice at all. However, if you want to get into 3D printing to tinker with and modify the machine, this would be a good entry point, as you suggested. So perhaps you two are thinking about two different kinds of beginners.
If you have one project that you need to print and you want good quality for the absolute lowest price there is no arguing that this printer is the best option. I showed that for $70 and not that much tinkering you can get your print made. Is it finicky? Absolutely. But at 1/12 the cost I think you can justify a little tinkering for a $700 savings. Anyway, it's a moot point. We are all experts around here with multiple printers arguing about a theoretical beginner when it's a fact that almost nobody is choosing to enter into this hobby anymore.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Wouldn't a better comparison be to one of the standard bed slingers, like an Ender 3 clone for around $150? That'd be a bit more than double the price, but capable of printing larger parts, has a heated bed, and direct drive extrusion. I have to say that your mods are far simpler, cheaper, and resulted in a nice print. So even though I'm sure Tom had a lot of fun with his project, you might describe it as more of an overhaul solution, that ended up coming up short due to the limited flow rate of the heater and nozzle. He probably learned a lot in the process, but for viewers it probably wasn't that useful except for some intro to input shaping and recent improvements in the sensor design (the USB connection). Another thing we could maybe guess is that using a B-tree board because of the sponsor wouldn't have made sense on the unmodded printer because it wasn't really capable of using all of the features of the board, and so the printer had to be upgraded to make use of them. That might have influenced his thinking.
Is the misspelling of the name in the video title on purpose (then it would be a great but slightly passive-agressive pun) or just a simple mistake? :)
What is that phenomena where people can’t stop watching a train wreck even though they know what’s going to happen? Yeah, whatever that is, I guess why I’m still subscribed to this channel 🤣
I enjoy your videos. From the vehicle repairs to the design of the broom holders. The printer repair or enhancements. The fact that you are a firm believe in supporting original designers instead of the cheap knock offs. Even the foreign exchange program. All great! 🎉😊
That's sad, i like most guys/girls in the 3d printing community and its sad that people act so petty "behind" curtains and then everything is fine and well during the videos. Honestly didn't know that was happening, I'm glad you showed that side of theirs.
I think you are getting a bit too defensive and overthinking stuff about Thomas Sanladerer. I dont know why he would block you and have never watched his videos but it seems he was just making a generalization and expressing his opinion. That being said, I feel like for the past year or so your videos have gotten a bit too paranoid/obsessed with prusa's attacks rather than just ignoring them and moving on to create content that proves his point about you is wrong. I know he has caused harm to your channel but you repeating the same stuff about sockpuppets and prusa probably moves people away from your channel, even those who have been here for a long time. I guess what Im trying to say is please move on and be less paranoid about people attacking you (even if it may be the truth). I subbed to this channel cause I loved seeing how you provide great solutions for cheap on pretty much anything and I feel like in the last little while your content has deviated a lot away from that.. If you spent time reading this, thank you so much and I hope you keep making great quality content! (Btw loved the vid about the 70 dollar 3d printer)
Funny story, It looks like I got scammed on that $92 printer I was talking about at the end of the last video. I had to put in a request to be refunded. Aliexpress: buyer beware, and stay vigilant. Don't just expect your stuff to arrive.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Agreed, at least you get your money back :), bought an old version on sale some time back, more than enough for my needs , i build an enclosure for heat control out of cardboard
I don't think it's aimed at anyone in particular. As for blocking you he probably doesn't want any of the drama from your polarising opinions. Also it was a part two as part one came out from before yours. Great video. Keep up the good work.
This is the subtle insidiousness of the situation. Because these guys don't attack me directly you all keep believing they are worth supporting. Meanwhile I'm attacked across the internet by anonymous avatars. So they get to destroy me in the nastiest way and you just say "The leaders of the group aren't attacking you. It's just some nasty trolls who have nothing to do with Tom or Josef." Must be nice living in your comfortable little world refusing to analyze your team with a critical eye. Easy living.
@@DesignPrototypeTest You may want to step away from the internet for a bit and think about how ridiculous you sound. Im sorry buddy but you have an issue and making a video crying to the world about blah fucking blah did this is seriously a character flaw. Go touch some grass and let people be themselves. Sad day when people cant just simply get along with another. bye now Have a great day :)
Yeah I reckon it's stupider. It's like school yard bullying/in-joke/ganging up on you for the fun of it. It's tribal- once you become a joke to them in their little in group, that's hard to shake... And they'll double - down if you argue or react. Childish idiots sitting behind their keyboards anonymously. I still remember the old comments which seemed like the same bunch of trolls every time for years under different user names. Now looking back those comments where what enraged me and drew me into reading and watching more of your vids. Sure you're not writing them yourself?!! Haha joking.
"...writing them yourself?" I mean, that is a distinct possibility. If I were you watching me I would definitely consider this. There are a few factors that point to this not being the case. The troll accounts have not benefited me in any discernable way. I've displayed the ability to productively employ my motivation and skills elsewhere, so why would I spend so much time fabricating such an intricate lie? If you believe that I am the type of person who just insatiably needs the attention then why don't I say my name on camera? Aren't there better ways for me to attain the attention? Also, you have to believe that I have the ability to manipulate the algorithm such that a video with 11,000 views has 91.4% downvotes but I am not able to manipulate the algorithm to make my channel more successful? ruclips.net/video/Hf2lRzJQpu8/видео.htmlsi=Av1xopz3DT4lpaFE The easier explanation is that Tom, 3DPN, Barnacles, et al who have millions of subs between them simply said a few bad things about me to their superfans and that tiny portion of their viewership hates on me. Or if you really want to get conspiracy theory on it Prusa makes $7,000,000 per month. So that means there is a large advertising budget to be spent on marketing. How does a company in a former soviet block country approach marketing to foreigners? Perhaps they employ the services of sock puppets in other former Soviet Block countries. AKA Russian Sock puppet farms. These answers are more plausible than me F-ing up myself for the last 6 years Fight Club Style.
I’m sure Thomaas Sandradlandererer was sitting around thinking about what video to put out 8 days ago. When he saw your vid and thought, in German, “YES! I can do this video better!!!” Truly a lightbulb moment! And within the next 7 days he acquired the printer, did all his tests and mods and then shot and edited a video. Because clearly, any idiot can make a video and put it on the internet, for free.
Tell me you didn't watch my video without telling me you didn't watch my video. You saw the thumbnail and wrote a knee-jerk reaction because you do not seek all the information before writing diatribes. Given how careless you are with your words, why should anyone listen to you?
And yet just the previous video I made was technical and more clever than anything Tom did in his technical video. I was able to achieve a higher quality benchy and I didn't have to spend like $300 the way he did. There are plenty of videos showing $400 printers making benchies quickly. There is no video showing how to tune up a $70 printer to achieve such results. Not only is my video technical, it is unique. But you didn't watch that one or comment on it. That's because you don't like technical videos. You like drama and gossip. You like pretending that you don't.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Me wathcing the video is where you might be mistaken. All I did was quick clik-through and express disappointment in the comments. Because no matter how technical/educational content might be, it was disqualified by clickbaity synthetic rivality. I am not here to defend Tom, he lost it by running RRF on the voron, refusing to use klipper because of "toxic community" for more then 3 years and suddenly promoting it few days ago without acknowledging his error. This childish emotional crap has no place in tech community.
One of the reasons I have been a subscriber for years, is your honesty, and if people have a problem with honesty than this is not the channel for them. Thomas Sanladerer needs to stop being a yes man and start getting a life. I like Thomas and it is hard to see him going down this hole. I am from Mexico and in 2014 when I started on the hobby the only way to get your hands on a 3d printer with out having to pay 3 times more than the US price, the only alternative was to build one, I have built 8 printers since, I have a Siboor Voron trident that I just finished, and there will be spoiled person who can get anything under the sun saying, why don't you get a LDO kit instead, well in Mexico those kits are unattainable and we do the best we can. Same with this little toy, not everyone can afford a prusa, specially since the new MK4 is $2,100.00 dollars after tax and shipping here in Mexico.
I had a different comment to make originally, but then watched your vid first. I hate how petty people have become, and am glad I did not comment on sanladerer's vid about your own vid. I sometimes think you get a little emotional on subjects but I can't argue that you are wrong and would most likely be even more emotional myself in your position. Facts are irreverent and feelings aren't, cant have an opinion based on facts anymore where as a opinion based on feelings in ok, more then ok in fact. SMH
I like your videos. I also like Thomas’ stuff and have learned from both of you. I think you have perceived correctly a passive-aggressive slight, so don’t let anyone gaslight you that you didn’t. However, perhaps his chief motive was care for the buyers and genuine concern at even $70 being wasted by those who might hope to get consistent results rather than simply investing in a first-step learning rig (that may fail within X-amount of time). He may genuinely disagree with your conclusions in a way that got him ‘cross’ and concerned that people may invest (the admittedly small amount) as they foray in to a new hobby and become jaded before they began with a ‘serious printer’ (whatever brand that might be). That doesn’t excuse the ‘no sane person’ comment and I do believe an apology from Thomas would be a good olive branch if he decided to be friendly in that regard. I agree with your conclusion that the comment was directed at you and my opinion is that it is unfortunate and unnecessary (and uncharacteristic, which leaves me feeling disappointed).
DPT you are a good guy but I think you should try and find someone to play devils advocate for your arguments. I’ve watched both videos and I didn’t see it as a personal attack at all but idk, I could always be missing context.
Fair enough. It was quite subtle. But when you really look at it I think it's unambiguously an attack. One that only a select few would catch and understand if I had not made this video. Why does he block me? Why am I pariah? I like and respect Tom. I've never said anything bad about him. Except to point out that he advocates for Prusa without revealing his bias.
@@DesignPrototypeTest You’re right. If he made this video as a response to yours then it’s most likely a rude comment towards you. I’m just not sure it is in response because he got that printer 3 months ago and told his plans to make this video at 21:18 ruclips.net/video/ikjOEaPY6Rk/видео.html . If the video was already planned then he was probably just making that comment not targeting anyone and genuinely thinking that people would disagree. But like I said I could always be wrong. I just like both of you as RUclipsrs, and wouldn’t want offense to be taken if offense was not meant.
Because enough of you who seem to support me are saying this I will reveal the multifaceted game I am playing. While it is true that I do respect Tom for his contributions. You have to question my sincerity about being upset or even surprised at his actions towards me. After 6 years of dealing with these people, does it seem like something that would actually bother me? And yet nobody would care if I didn't proclaim a grievance. The wrongdoing would be dismissed because I was seemingly unaffected. So in order to publicize the ill behavior, I must proclaim that it injures me. What I really do care about is something that would not gain any traction. I care about the Injustice of the algorithm. Because they were able to make me unpopular with their followers my success online has been negatively affected. I care deeply about this. I was robbed. So now I take every opportunity I can to shine a light on their nefarious actions so that their followers will see the ugliness they support. I have zero hope that I will experience any justice in this situation.
How disingenuous with an avatar name like that to be so outwardly hostile. If you want to be FRIENDS you shouldn't insult me. ruclips.net/video/ukiD7YyCK9g/видео.htmlsi=hCoqm9-Qbp59yZuu
@@DesignPrototypeTest People with psychosis may hear, see, smell, taste, or feel things that are not there. They can also hold strong beliefs or bizarre ideas, such as that someone is out to get them or that someone is monitoring their activities when these are not the case. BTW I dont give damn about Prusa products.
@@DesignPrototypeTest People with psychosis may hear, see, smell, taste, or feel things that are not there. They can also hold strong beliefs or bizarre ideas, such as that someone is out to get them or that someone is monitoring their activities when these are not the case.
Or it might not be about you… or a big conspiracy… most time things just happen stupidly… Anyway huge enjoyer of your and Tom’s videos so please all be nice to each other 🥹
Years ago. There are more people that block me on X than follow me. How does that happen? The only explanation is that tHe coMmUNitY brought all of their followers to my channel just to block me. Imagine if I had been the beneficiary of a positivity campaign instead of a negative one.
Gang stalking drama 2.0
It is a pity. This channel can be entertaining if you skip the "I hate prusa".
if you aint got haters you aint balling
Prusa??? Thomas who???
Who are they??? 😂😂😂
You're going to have to let it go to succeed my friend. I look for and watch videos showcasing interesting and unusual products while providing good analysis and ideas for improvements. You still have that in you. Let that be your guiding light.
I personally avoid drama videos on any channel but I've probably still watched more of yours than any other channel. Right or wrong, wrong or right, it's really not as valuable as the engineer's eye you have and the design commentary I've seen from you.
Oh please, no hobby drama...
Does this all really merit a video?
Why wouldn't it?
@@DesignPrototypeTest Well, after watching for a few minutes I didn't really see a solid point of the video, sounded more like the kinds of things that weighs you down if you let yourself worry about it. There was a negativity about something but idk what that is.
My main reason for being picky about what I make videos of is because the creator and the viewer's time are both valuable resources. I just didn't see what this video was about after watching for a few minutes. It reminds me of things I may have let into my mind from the outside world, and the wastes of time they led to. Can't let some things get into your mind, because your mind is worth more.
I realize that you have better things to do than wade into the "drama" of my battle with tHe ComMunItY. When attention spans are scarce I understand why the narrative that I am out of balance emotionally is an attractive answer that allows people to easily dismiss me and escape being burdened trying to establish an impartial truth in the situation. Thank you for your earnest interaction.
There is a cabal. If you don't believe me I can put you in contact with others who have run afoul of them as well. They largely control the narrative in the hobby of 3D printing. They are bullies. They have a registered pedophile in their ranks. They ban me from events, they contact every event and every vendor and tell them not to work with me. They have dragged my name and reputation through the mud in countless comment sections, reddit posts, and discord channels. It kinda looks like Tom is a part of this nasty crew, and the treatment is ongoing. The game for them is to do most of the damage behind the scenes. This ensures that considered folks such as yourself only see me making it public and thus infer that I am the problem. I seize every opportunity I can to make it public because I cannot win the anonymous behind the scenes battles. I'm just one man. Hence the video. Please realize this has been going on for 6 years. This is not a feud. It's one abuse. a group in the hobby with far more influence than I exert mobilizes an army of their followers to damage me. Do you think I could escape their influence and achieve success elsewhere? Do you think they would allow me to gain an audience (a louder voice) when the whole game is about controlling the narrative and they don't want my narrative to be known?
@@DesignPrototypeTest Don't worry, it isn't really me worried about my time, I'm more worried about your time. Something might take one minute of my time as a viewer, but it takes hours of your time as a creator, as a person.
I've made a lot of communities angry at me, especially the Grant Thompson community back in 2019, when I basically made a video saying "He got what he risked", and it would be too easy for me to focus on the shrapnel from my own interactions with others online, and instead just keep plowing forward. I have a lot of people who hate me, been doing youtube too long not to, and I've actually been able to speed ahead and keep broadcasting what I think is right, and I collect people who like me.
One of the biggest disservices the internet can do is to make you think those communities are bigger than they are. I was a professional rapid prototyper at Apple, I post several 3D print files a month on Printables, and yet I don't interact with the 3d printing community. That's by design.
Maybe you won't mind me saying but I think the 3D printing community sits around picking their noses, I don't have time for that.
One thing I keep in mind is that people with online interactions tend to not put any effort into them, so they easily come off as if they are making harsh or evil judgement when they are just frivolously reacting.
I think it might help you be your best self, with less stress, if you find a way to remove the stressfull thoughts that outsiders put in your mind. I continually make sure I weed out thoughts that I wouldnt naturally have come to (if they are a detriment) so as to keep my internal peace.
I don't think badly of you at all, I just have sympathy for you because I have been in similar situations, and I handled it inefficiently for a time. All that worry about the community is unatural thoughts put in your head that keep you from doing the amazing things you would have otherwise been doing.
Worries can entrap you. I realized that my haters don't stop others from watching.
I really appreciate you. I hope for you all the peace you are trying to provide to me.
I think you take it personalty, this was not an attack on you. I have to say that the Josef Prusa story was sick and showing the evil side of Prusa and the fans. I think Thomas is also a Prusa fanboy just watch his XL review saying nothing bad about the printer as other channels did previously(i have to admit that previous prusa reviews were more balanced and i liked them). I still thinks that you should just ignore Prusa universe and do your own thing because it looks like it taking the toll on you and it's not worth it.
I hate drama. You've called out Prusa (and perhaps others?) So they strike back. Not a surprise. They use their power to attack back. I'm not surprised. How about getting past individuals and move onto products, results, ideas. I like aurora tech. She rates printers, gives the pros and cons and doesn't seem to "go after" any brand or any other YT channel. This is the first one of your videos I've seen in over a year and it's the old story - drama. Others are bullying you and it's not fair. I recall you're a smart guy, an Industrial Designer like me but with a lot of electronics and 3DP knowledge. I think if you stuck to 3d printers, tech, results and ideas, and left off the drama and kept videos to 12 -15mins tops, you would add many subscribers. I think Joseph Prusa might be a bit concerned that you might make a 3d Printer and become competition. No matter. Ignore the torpedoes, full steam ahead. 👍
SO YOU ADMIT IT! Tom is on team Prusa. He IS NOT an independent trustworthy unbased RUclipsr. That's why it is acceptable and forgivable for him to call me insane. That's what you are saying right?
If you hate the drama why are you clicking on a video titled "Is so and so ATTACKING me." and then leaving a comment?
@@DesignPrototypeTestI guess he just wanted to give you advice.
@@DesignPrototypeTest yeah, it’s pretty clear he’s a fan of Prusa.
I don't own a Prusa and don't know anything about them firsthand. I have an old school Makergear M3 SE and its been fun getting it to print well. Have I admitted anything? Just my opinions.I'm just trying to help you by suggesting you move past emotion and drama, that's all.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Tom isn’t so much on team Prusa as he is on “Team ” as is most RUclips 3d printer influencers. It’s in their economic interest to do so because that grants them products and access for their content. Prusa is just one of those companies. You can’t see it that way because ur in some holy war with Prusa and everything you see is filtered through the lens of being with you or against you (and for prusa).
I will always rock with you on the content side of things. You always bring a really good engineering perspective to 3d printing. The only way to beat the machine is to out do them in content. At the end of the day, the other creators do not want to deal with the drama. I agree with the question you posed on Sanjay. It wasn't disrespectfully, but it posed a real question that everyone seems to be avoiding. But keep in mind Sanjay is a Holy Grail of the 3d printing oligarchs. I personally only knew about all the drama after you talked about it. This is my 2 cents. Don't give in and even mention their names.....beat them in content. If they bring drama, quickly highlight it (briefly!!) and beat them again with better content. The whole series of g {_} |\| $ directly to your door from china is a perfect example of good content (engineering discussion) that they can't possibly make. Heck... make them blocking you on social media an inside joke on the channel, then whoop them again in great engineering content. In Hip Hop terms... You're, " the favorite Rappers, favorite Rapper." Or in other words... The real person who can explain the engineering side without a planned script for the sake of open discussion. Happy early Fathers Day!
100% prusa SUCKS... pretty it won't matter, prusa will price themselves out of the market
i said this would happen in tom's comments oooops PREDICTABLE
Prusa released a new 3D printer and I said Tom would make a video about it. PREDICTABLE.
@@DesignPrototypeTest I apologise I cant be bothered to argue with you. I wish you the all best.
The pissing contest is one thing. To point to the best of something, or the worst or something, or the cheapest of something, these analyses have value. In WWII (or it may have been WWI), a rifle was thrown together in such a fashion that parts were not interchangeable from another one. The weapon was so unreliable that attempting to shoot an enemy would only draw attention to you and get you shot by someone with a functional rifle. The rifle was an example of something cheaper than any other but not worth having at any price. Identifying the cheapest possible 3D printer that actually works is worth doing. When I started, it was said by most people that the Ender 3 was just that. Had a $70 machine been available at that time, I would have gone for it because I wanted to minimize the risk that 3D printing just wasn't for me. Luckily it is for me and I just purchased a Bambu Lab A1 Mini and then a P1S a few weeks later. Those purchases were based on your evaluation of a brand of printers that arguably are the best one can get for the money.
This video has no added value :-( Why everyone is attacking you? Do you really think that you are a thread to Prusa?? ;-) I do not thing so... Follow advice from Prusa...
Hello,
As someone that have been in 3d world since I and a friend built each one a "fully custom" Hephestos back in 2015 end, ordering single parts for it from Aliexpress, I value a lot the engineering approach that we find amongst (only a few) content creators, such as you.
You have a deep analytical view from the engineering perspective, that I value a lot. But I tend to drift away from your videos for a good while when this kind of content is uploaded, because it is a felt (to me as a) loss of talent. I know, the channel is yours and you do what you want with it. And I am not pointing any direction to follow, just expressing you my thoughts about this, in a personal and felt way. I was once also a Thomas subscriber, but I also went away since I felt that when his channel started to be his main income, he lost (and we have to agree that it is reasonable to at least filter some "harder" opinions on reviews) some of his "spontaneous spark"... I think that if you earn from X activity, you can't be completely transparent, and therefore, even if we don't like, some lines have to be drawn. My wishes to you are that you keep that spark, upon 3d subjects that matter to you, preferably from your engineering point of view. I learnt a lot from your videos, speacially the how to ones, like the timelapse with SLR and remote, the filament dryer (I use the dehydrator with a cake transporter box instead), etc, and let all that go... :)
Best regards :)
bro even years ago you loved youtube beef lmao fuck it i guess
These sort of things happen all over, it's not just with 3D printing. I would ignore it and just keep putting out the content. The more good you put out the more people will see and respect you for it.
If I was the first on the scene and had a clear lead then I would have the luxury of just ignoring them and continuing to perform/dominate. Like I said in the video they control the narrative. MANY more people will see their attacks against me than will even see this rebuttal. If I don't answer then their narrative about me wins. It's already winning but at least I'm fighting back instead of rolling over. I won't let them spread a fabrication about me without sticking up for myself. How much more successful would my videos/channel be if they had not convinced so many in tHe ComMunItY to block my channel and downvote on sight thus skewing the algorithm?
@@DesignPrototypeTestnonsense. If they don't see your video then the "no sane person" comment makes no sense.
Stop focusing on the drama, i don't remember how i found your channel. I've been following for the technical aspect of it but if this drama keeps going i'll just unfollow, if i want to watch drama i turn on the TV.
I don't understand how this "drama" narrative is such a thing. It seems like a total manipulation to me. Are you a real person or a sock puppet? Feel free to unsubscribe. That's kind of the goal. My life got a lot better on X when tHe cOMmuNiTy stopped following me. It's a garbage group with garbage leadership. Nothing admirable.
That's why I make these videos. To show the ugliness that they try to keep hidden. But you want to make any pushback against your beloved group just go away with a single dismissive word. "Drama."
I don't think you understand the concept of right and wrong. All you know is "them vs. us."
@@DesignPrototypeTest I couldn't care less about all that. Bye
Did Tom made a vid 3 months before your first video about that printer?
Looks like you both had the same idea. The Video from Tom does not look like it just took 7 days so i guess he did not saw your video from 7 days ago and thourght he should copie it. maybe..
That's not the issue. If you watched the video I didn't talk about that at all.
ahh right. my fault for not watching the whole video and understanding your point right away.
I think I would also add to your points of why many makers act towards you in this blocking and ... rude, short worded way, that you are different. Not different in a bad way, just not quite like them. Everyone is a bit different and thats ok (I dont want to analyze too much here from a non professional stant, nor do I have the full scope of all the moments that have happened). Maybe they are not interacting with you because they are thinking about the potential change of their position in the maker community.
When you talked about brains that are not perfect but still have genius qualities, let's not try to focus too much on how different you are, but more on what you add to society and e.g. the world of 3D printing.
I still enjoy the 3D printing videos from you. And I am glad that you are part of this maker scene, even though it is sad and not everyone takes the time and energy to make interaction between all makers possible. Looks like the communication is not "open source".
I think you are thinking too much into this...
I still dont see how he is going after you.
I think you should calm down and talk to Thomas directly to clear things up.
I would love to. Maybe you can see if he is amenable. I can't invite him. He has me blocked.
@DesignPrototypeTest I wish I knew him well enough to connect both together. Maybe if enough of us leave messages on his videos to connect with you, he might reach out to you.
Ps. I learn a lot from your videos and hope you keep putting out videos.
Hey man, thanks for the video. Good to know. Prusa is shit, always has been, if they can't just admit to that then they are noobs at life. Would you buy parts for your car engine that someone made in their back-yard make-shift furnace and smoothed over with a dremel? No, so why would you buy a 3D printer that had all it's parts made on another 3D printer, which had all it's parts made on another 3D printer, at a higher cost than one which was made on precision machinery?..
I agree that it is wrong of them to make suggestive comments about your mental health if they don't even regard you as a friend.
Just keep being you.
You’re the reason I bought my duet 2 wifi to upgrade my delta kossel.
Thank you
Same here! Well, basically. Mine was an FLSUN Q5 but same idea.
You are definetly "crazy", in german you would say "verrückt" which roughly means transposed to the norm. Most interesting people are. I really liked you tinkering on that cheap printer and found Toms video appearing a bit noteworthy too. Apart from that: Keep the technical videos coming, they are much more enjoyable than you "complaining" about attacks. I don't claim that no one attacks you but what is there I can do about? I won't buy a prusa machine anyway (only the XL would be interesting but is way to expensive). Besides watching your videos if they interest me there is not much to do.
I enjoy your videos and think you have a lot to offer but maybe everyone should try to turn the drama knob down to like a 3 or 4 instead of 9.9.
The thing you feed is the thing that grows. Don't click on it and don't leave comments if this is how you really feel. I didn't see your comment on my last drama free video.
2024 the year of beef now we got 3D printing beef
Honestly, Do you think your time is being used constructively? Have a most awesome afternoon!
Man, I'm producing about 1/10th of what I'm capable of. I don't have any motivation to do more. Spending a couple hours making this video did not detract from my motivation/productivity in any meaningful way. Meanwhile feeling ostracized and seeing a guy who I like and admire call me insane is pretty unmotivating. Like 3 years ago I stopped making the videos that would be successful because I looked at the results and it seemed almost certain that my channel was being artificially held back by the negative publicity campaign from ThE cOmMunItY. So now I just make the videos I feel like making. I felt like making this one because I want people to see Tom treating me badly for no reason.
Keep your chin up and be kind to yourself.
The ironic thing is that he doesn't understand that videos like this only serve to provide just cause for why he should continue to be banned from RepRap festivals.
You're right! I do not understand what you are talking about. Because it is incorrect. Can you please justify your claim that this video gives "just cause" to RMRRF to ban me. You won't do it. It's not possible. Just like all my other detractors you will leave a comment and then we will never hear from you again.
What I think you are actually talking about is a popularity contest. I'm not making myself popular with tHe cOMmuNiTy by making a video like this. But popularity has nothing to do with Justice or what is right/wrong. You don't understand that distinction. That is why you are able to be manipulated as a brainless member of the mob. You think popularity equals correctness.
@@DesignPrototypeTest oh I'm quite happy to explain. Events like RepRap festivals are about the whole community coming together to have a good time. If someone wants to make it all about them to the detriment of others then they will find themselves unwelcome at such events.
You're inability to say OK, there's some people who see the world differently to me and move on with life is what is likely at the root cause of this. If you stopped focussing on what they are doing and dropped the whole "the world is out to get me" routine then you might start to get somewhere. Stop worrying about them, cause I can absolutely 100% assure you that they aren't spending 1% as much mental energy worrying about you. Move on, do your own thing. The best way to prove them wrong is not by endless drama videos like this but by actually doing great things. I've seen plenty of you older content, you're smart and talented. So, go so something great and let that demonstrate why they've made the wrong call. While you spend all this time and energy focussed on victim mentality it's only going to continue to get worse for you, that much I can guarantee.
You know what tipped me off to your low social rank? It was the use of the passive voice. saying "If someone wants..." instead of directly talking about MY actions/words. Then you strawman me saying I have no ability to "say OK, there's some people who see the world differently to me" when this is not a behavior I ever exhibited. Here, let me demonstrate:
Ok, you see the world different to me. You were likely raised by a single mother in an politically leftist and female driven environment. You think that the most important thing in the world is to understand and appreciate people who are different from you. As if miscommunication is the ultimate evil. And there aren't predators who don't intend to communicate. They just intend to destroy and take what they want as long as they can get away with it. Understanding them won't stop them from being evil. AND I would argue that I understand those who are different than myself better than you do because I'm identifying the predators who run tHe ComMuNitY while you think they are beyond criticism.
Now that I've proved you wrong on that account let me address this notion that I should be banned from RMRRF because I'm self centered with a persecution complex. These aren't dangerous character traits. RMRRF justified their ban because of "safety." So you are attempting to escape your undeniable wrongness by crafting an irrelevant narrative. Once again you are citing things that make me unlikable or unpopular. Because you don't understand right and wrong. All you understand is group membership. That is why you are able to be manipulated as a brainless member of the mob who refuses to believe the OBVIOUS truth that your king of 3D printing is an severe egotist just based on his stupid shirt (far worse than me because you don't even know my name because I don't want you to because I'm not here for my ego despite your accusations). I'll bet you are the sucker that paid $30 for the privilege of glorifying his ego by wearing the same shirt.
Let me hit you with a truth bomb: You think that you and your in-crowd are powerful in your numbers. That power makes you think you are valuable. But you are just as worthless as you would be without the mob because being a member of the mob means you don't get to think. You aren't allowed to step out of line. If you aren't thinking then you don't control your own actions. You are being lead by whoever is crafting the narrative. You cannot think or say anything that violates the group norms. Lest you become pariah like myself. You have no power. You are a tool who doesn't even have the self awareness to realize what he is. That is why you attack me. Nothing that you've accused me of resembles reality. You are attacking me first and trying to manufacture reasons second.
If you think I'm wrong try steering the group in some way. Try saying something that doesn't go along with the "consensus" over there in your discord. Don't be a spinless flip-flopper either. If you say it stick to it. Ayfekinderya
@@DesignPrototypeTest sorry don't know what you're talking about I'm not in any Discord. And your attempt to psychoanalyse what I said and presume information about how I may have grown up or my political leanings is actually completely wrong and bares very little in common with reality.
As for your belief that the entire 3D printing world is run by a kabal controlled by Prusa and his mates, well honestly, I can't help you there, I've owned and built several printers and none of them have been a Prusa. Not because they are bad machines, but I have an engineering background so I tend toward wanting to get the machine or tool that best fits my needs.
As for the rest of what you wrote, I attempted to help you gain a little understanding as to how people outside your own present head space view this matter. I owe you nothing and you owe me nothing, so take it or leave it, I really could not care either way. What I can promise you, is that while you continue on this unhealthy and frankly unhelpful trajectory you will continue to lose subs and become more and more ostracised by the 3d printing community which you so clearly want to be a part of. What comes next is upto you, the ball is quite literally in your court. I wish you well.
@@DesignPrototypeTest and as for me being of low social status, yeah wrong again. Not doing so well with your psychoanalysis. As for your name? I really couldn't care less.
would be awesome if you became the top competitor against prusa
I've got some skills and some knowledge that could position me to be leadership as such. However, no man is an island. I would need a team to be a part of. The time to start a 3D printer company in the west was 15 years ago. We could definitely see some new exciting companies in the space coming from China.
You don’t know me, you haven’t seen any of my videos. Suppose I put up a video claiming I’m being attacked by you. I then show some very sketchy “evidence” that seems to ooze with confirmation bias. I then try to attend a festival that I know you will be at. Tell me, would this concern you?
It wouldn't concern me. I would respond to you. Just like I'm doing here. I would talk to you so we could attempt to work this out.. See, communication is how rational human beings function in the world. I get no communication from tHe cOMmuNiTy. All I get is anonymous avatars disparaging my person.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Interesting. Suppose after you reach out to me, I still take your words out of context in order to fit a false narrative/conspiracy that I have in mind? Is this relationship with a random really worth your time? How many attempts at fixing this relationship you be willing to spend before calling it quits?
Always enjoyed the vids you did on delta printers. Forget the noise and lets enjoy complex math in motion again. Cheers.
You attak everything bro its just your a not a good element
I criticize things which should be called out. I ask questions when information is being suspiciously withheld. But I disagree with the statement that I attack. It implies aggression and malice which I don not exhibit.
Lol, I was waiting for this vid
The Design Prototype Test seems to be more of a personal rant... Why do people even bother with this nonsense?
I don't know. Why did you click on this video? Why did you leave a comment? I didn't see you on the last video which featured none of the "nonsense." The algorithm feeds you what you want, even if you pretend like you don't want it.
Yep I expected this kind of video once I saw Thomas post his video after yours... I really doubt he saw your video then rushed to steal your idea and get a video out that fast (also noticed you removed the community post that drove me to unsub from you, the one where you declared yourself the Trump of the 3D printing community) smh
I don't like Trump. But you can't think rationally about him. You have Trump derangement syndrome. Just mentioning his name causes you to unsubscribe from me. You can't see the truth that I occupy the same niche in the 3D printing ecosystem as Trump occupies on the national political stage. Also you're just another reactionary who left a comment based on a vague thumbnail and didn't bother to watch my video. Given the interactions we've had, You seem to be a nice enough guy, but I have no respect for you beyond reciprocating, a certain politeness which you display in contrast to the vast majority of tHe cOMmuNiTy.
1st of all I watched the entire video after commenting (can admit I was jumping the gun assuming you were accusing him of stealing your idea) 2nd you are not qualified to diagnose me with so called "Trump derangement syndrome" based on my interactions, I Made it very clear that my issue was that You bothered to pick trump (of all people) as the person to compare yourself to and publicly stating that you are the Trump of 3DP community just to annoy "tHe CoMuNitY", and also as I pointed out in the original post Its a terrible comparison ( trumps enemies are anyone who doesn't support him or challenges him) that's rational
"after commenting" You mean after I called you out. You have not earned your judgement or tone of voice given the carelessness you've displayed wielding them. I literally have not respect for anything you say. You are uncontrollably emotional when the name Trump is mentioned and you assume you know what an entire video is about based on a vague thumbnail. The fact that you even bothered to respond to my last comment when you are so clearly in the wrong shows how shameless you are. Men who are consistently erroneous do not get to have influence. I liked it better when you were unsubscribed.
@@DesignPrototypeTestreally didn't think I had to be so clear as to say "watched your video THE SECOND I finished my comment" you literally jump to conclusions at the drop of a hat. Fk off with you high and mighty complex, I'm out. Good luck never listening to your audience (and no I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about the thousands of comments you get from fans you don't give a shit about that want you to drop your drama BS)
@@DesignPrototypeTest also you really think unsubbing equates to being uncomfortably emotional? if there's anything I've learned following you for over 5 years it's that you honestly think you have everyone figured out. You see one phrase of sentence and assume "yep this person is this category, which means they think this and feel this and I am superior to the, therefore I am right and my cause is just" and you've commented some of the most childish troll responses to people in your comments for the smallest things. You are incapable of change. I'd say get help but you've heard that enough from everyone.
borderline or bipolar disorder, one of the symptoms is a mania of persecution all the time for the smallest of acts, this channel has some good content... but because of this delayed drama I unsubscribed and this video appeared again as a suggestion...
I unsubscribed when he made that shitty video about the death of the creator of the e3d hotend
to much self importance...
What's my name? You know Tom's name. You know Stefan. You know Joel. You sure as s*** know Josef Prusa. Because apparently everything in 3D printing is authored by him. All those designs that everyone uploads to his servers are by him. So what's my name, and how do you know it? Don't you think an egotist would want you to know his name?
I get so tired of proving you tHe cOMmuNiTy members wrong. You guys really are the worst people I've ever had to deal with in my life.
It's this simple. I contributed value. Instead of being appreciated and welcomed, I've been ostracized and attacked for 6 years. You guys are the bad people. You really are the villains of this story. You serve a narcissist. Why are you making the world a worse place?
Instead of correcting this Injustice. Instead of being a group of good people who make everyone else happy for having been a part, you continue the Injustice. You spin a narrative that I'm crazy instead of just saying "Thanks for the contribution man. We appreciate you." How hard is that. How broken are you that you can't be nice and instead have to dig into the very core of my being trying to convince me that I'm mentally deficient. Pure evil.
He posted about this printer 3 months before you Im pretty sure your video has nothing to do with his video
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video.
Mental note: Never support Prusa with my wallet.
I thought kind of the same thing. The point of that thing is it's ridiculously cheap, BUT still actually works. Slapping on upgrades 5x the cost of the printer? Not much point.
I love the video you made. I would’ve partake in one of those. I’m too old for a $70 headache! But it was fun to watch
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with all of us. I really enjoy learning about 3D printing from you, Sir. Keep up the great work!
I think you might be reading a bit more into what he said there than he really meant. I expect that video took more than a week to create, so he probably was working on it before you released your video on the threed printer. I don't know why he blocked you, and I won't defend him for it, but I do think the threed printer videos are a coincidence in this case.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video.
I personally think that was a coincidence and not a jab at you. I can't know Thomas' intentions of course, but since in his original video on the printer he stated that he liked the machine, but it's close to Ender 3 price wise and wouldn't recommend it, that's how I interpreted the "no sane person". While I don't disagree with your take that it's a good entry printer, I think that if a person sticks with the hobby, they will quickly outgrow it, while the Ender 3 can grow with them. You yourself have made great videos on upgrading an Ender 3 and making it a very reliable 3D printer. Anyway, I have no horse in this race, I am simply stating my opinion.
Something I forgot to mention is that I really don't understand in your video about this printer why you said that this printer is better than the Ender 3. 3D printing has evolved way past the Ender 3 in the years since it came out, but this one has less features than the Ender 3. While it is impressive that it prints for the price, as you said, it's overpriced for what it is and has a lot of caveats. Please help me understand your reasoning, if you have the time.
Do you think maybe it's just a saying?
I don't. I think he's clever enough to disguise his insult as a saying so that people like you will give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@DesignPrototypeTest To what end? Why say something only to hope people will ignore it?
I didn't think Tom was calling you out. The fact that he had you blocked, not sure why, he may not have even seen your video at the time he made his. He is definitely not in the Prusa fan boy group. I hung out with him at ERRF and you don't see him hanging out with Joseph the same way you see the 3D printing nerd crew.
Tom flew all the way to Washington State USA to meet with the 3D printing nerd at the Proto Pastas factory. He talks about 3DPN quite favorably. He is definitely in that club.
@@DesignPrototypeTestproto pasta isn't owned by Prusa but Print Solid is. ERRF is in Baltimore,MD and he flew out to that on his own dime. I worked the event so I see some of the things that happen when the cameras are off.
We are all allowed to have our own options, but I didn't see Tom being in that camp.
To be clear i still like and respect Tom despite his treatment of me. I think he is playing politics. SO MANY times I've had comments from guys who clearly self identified as member of tHe ComMuNiTy who started their paragraph with the words "I don't own a Prusa but...[proceeds to defend Prusa and disparage me]" It's so prevalent that at this point it's a joke to me and I even made a meme about it ruclips.net/user/postUgkxeslfEA8mkTPkD7DB2hBb0DLZ0wKM8icj Just because Tom won't act like he works for Prusa to your face doesn't mean that he isn't an agent for that man/company. He has never said anything that amounts to real criticism about Prusa. He has had multiple factory tours. There are many videos which he has since deleted or hidden showing just how incredibly cozy he is with Josef. I think you are lying to yourself if you don't believe that Tom and Prusa are intertwined. I realize that you want to give him the benefit of the doubt but from my vantage point he definitely doesn't look like my friend. I get the feeling that he joins in bashing on my name/character behind the scenes.
my printer was 100 beer tokens 5yrs+ ago, was so crap it taught me so much. its still my only printer. i'll never buy a prusa after seeing this behavior.
Oh man that's quite a rabbit hole you went down, starting from the extremely unlikely assumption - that one of the statements Thomas Sanladerer made in his last video was somehow targeted at you, instead of 99% who would indeed be a bit crazy to buy this printer.
I say it's unlikely because you also describe that Thomas blocked you on multiple platforms so he wouldn't watch it. Also from the content scheduling they talk about in the Meltzone podcast, it's possible that it was recorded before you published yours.
Anyway, your last video was pretty cool but I didn't watch the part about upgrades yet, I'll check that out! And I'll watch Thomas' video too, everything he releases is such a treat.
If you didn't watch the part about upgrades, then you didn't watch the video. Does nobody tell the truth on the internet?
@@DesignPrototypeTest oh right I just looked again and the video is 1h04, I watched only 11min of it, that's why I missed the upgrades.
I watched and enjoyed both videos. I'm sure you were both working on it concurrently without the knowledge of the other. Why presume he had even watched your video when he recorded that clip? Honestly, knowing your skills and knowledge, I Initially thought you were nuts wasting your time with such a printer. However, the video was worth watching. I learned something about the range of steppers I didn't know. I enjoy the good thoughtful technical content.
When I got started in 3D printing, there were no kits. No complete printers. The best you could get was a part kit, not a full printer kit. A wades geared extruder hardware, but not with the plastic. The Mendel threaded rod kit with bolts, but not anything else. No one person was selling complete sets of kits so you can purchase everything you need from one vendor. All the parts had to be purchased from eBay. There was approximately one guide online for full assembly of very specific parts, but no one who sold the complete set. One of the most common printers at the time was the wolf strap, a mostly wooden 3D printer you cobbled together to start printing parts to print another printer. This was the early days, it was brutal, but captivating. There were no easy ways, there were no troubleshooting guides, there were no slicers that were easy to install and no boards that came with firmware, you had to flash and install the firmware and configure all of the settings for your parts and calibrate, you had to do math. PLA was only just being experimented with, ABS was still the norm and 3MM was the de facto filament size, 1.75mm was still new and not widespread. There were no mainstream filament providers, they all came from random Chinese factories on eBay and you had no way of knowing if it was good. The only extruders at the time used Hobbed bolts, manually cut in a garage, there were no machine made extruder parts with precision. My printer consisted of springs from ones, clipboards cut in half , bolts gifted from a local hole in the wall makerspace and a single printed gear for the extruder. It took me 3 years to actually print regularly. 3 years of figuring out what was wrong, why something wasn’t running, how to find out if filament was bad, align and level beds, learn to assemble threaded rods with bolts and keep them square. I had gotten some of the most fantastic prints I ever had from that machine, but it always failed after a few prints. Maybe 6 complete prints from that machine ever, the rest was endless calibration and test pieces. At the end of three years kits started to pop up. I got one of the cheapest acrylic kits around for 200 dollars. I thought it was flimsy, but imagine my surprise when after 2 hours of assembly I could print repeatedly without error. I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, I recommended it to everyone and got several for a local library for use in their new makerspace. This was still before the names like creality and others really became standard, there was no go-to cheap printer that was reliable and every kit was a different vendor that may not exist a month later. I learned a lot on those machines that’s applied to so much of my life. I taught many children how to use them and repair them in that makerspace, driving 2 hours away after work to teach those classes. I was satisfied. I’ve been watching the advancements and I’m just blown away at what you can get these days at affordable prices, but it seems that reprap spirit has died down a little. It’s always just a race to the cheapest printer, or a better version of an existing design. When makerbot sold to 3D systems and they started patenting free ideas from the reprap forums, the wars began. The innovation is stifled. It’s great about the easy access, but I miss the early days, the raw enthusiasm and that drive for new unexplored territory. It’s been massively commercialized. I enjoy your content and you have enthusiasm, what it’s for varies from video to video, but you never fail to bring excitement in your voice and on your face, your one of the few 3D printer reviewers who displays that passion and it takes me back to remembering that feeling of raw excitement about the ability to digitally manifest physical items feels like. Showing the reality of cheap parts, constant fixes, upgrades, never about “look at this shiny thing I printed”. You show the raw reality. Keep being you, keep being honest.
You are awesome! What a great comment. I appreciate you.
I can’t imagine the problem will be around for too long, the industry has left Prusa in the dust and you’d now be nuts to consider one over a Bambu or some of the other new ones being launched.
It is essential for Prusa to be around for times to come. They continue innovation, brought us Prusa Slicer, showed the world that you can make a business from 3D printers. One thing we should not wish for is for Prusa to dissappear.
I don't see enough in Tom's video to think anything was amiss without you making this video. It's of course possible that it was some kind to dig at you but I just don't see enough there to think that.
I'm still the winner, in still better than everyone else! Endive is trying to steal my ideas and put me down!
Money, money, money running the world.
Link to your upgrades? Please..I have one of these and want to "tweak" it without having to rebuild it.
Why all the drama...3D printing is a community thing isn't it?
Keep em coming!!!!
ruclips.net/video/0N25-wuunrQ/видео.htmlsi=MMxXQdqJ9lWOVvKz&t=626 at the 10:26 timestamp. You will need some steel wire, a pair of plyers, an a cutting implement. Total cost should be about $0.50 to achieve the same Benchie I showed in this video.
These old 3d printing content producers are all upset because 3D printing is now attainable by everyone - not just those who need to have the know how of how to build a 3D printer. They remind me of another group who 25 years ago were building their own custom desktop computers and getting butthurt when computers became available for everyone. Let's not forget: 3 years ago: 'The Race to the Bottom' videos were trending because 3D printer manufacturers were LAZY, no new innovations - just gimmicks. I'm glad.............BAMBU LAB shook up 'The Community'.
Newer heard about Tom.
Hi, I have watched many videos that you have made. I like how technical and detailed they are.
Ive never been interested in drama of any sort(anywhwere on the internet). I wish you the best :)
I don't know about Tom, but Prusa's post is totally out of place.
It was a dm.
But all of the other followers of Tom and Prusa aren't DMing me. They are spamming the internet saying that I am mentally defective and need to seek therapy. So you can't point the finger directly at them but we all know where this narrative is coming from.
@@DesignPrototypeTest I know. You’re opinionated, not crazy. Probably one of the most intelligent minds I’ve seen in this space for sure. Keep doing your thing.
I recall a discord conversation for another "outsider" 3d printer youtube guy where he mentioned someday he would like to talk about some of these affiliate and referral programs offered to many youtube people. I won't mention the guy as I don't have permission but I do recall the conversation was about a video with Tom and the other big german guy and how funny it as for a moment when the other guy felt guilty for his shilling for bucks. Needless to say Tom calmed his nerves.
I dropped my subscription soon there after.
It sure looks like Tom, The Printing Nerd, The Noob, CNC, etc have all had profit sharing with Prusa at some point and maybe ongoing. Nothing else would explain such a diverse group having such loyalty. Remember when the nerd got Doogie Howser to start printing using a Prusa? Yeah, I'm sure Prusa didn't pay for any of that.
It's the CNC Kitchen guy - he does a podcast with Sanladerer.
@@DesignPrototypeTest And he let him inhale a lot of 3DGloop.... I wondered why I can't really buy it in Europe until I've read what is in that nasty stuff.
I knew the 3D printing community was toxic and a bunch of effing shills if they aren't trying to sell you something or sell you another companies product that's paying them to do it, they're trying to sell you their profiles least helpful community I've ever started........................
I think there's a couple things here. First is Tom has been in the 3d printing game for so long and used to high end machines, either tuned himself or higher end machines, and he might be more detached from lower end ones. So like what he feels is "normal" or "acceptable" is significantly higher end than reality, twisting his perception of the cheaper machines.
Second, potentially ego, related to above, that he could believe that the low cost machine (that as above he may believe is even worse than it is) only achieved passable results due to his "expertise".
Therefore putting these two hypothetical thought processes together he could feel that it is crazy for anyone to buy or recommend the low cost printer.
This brings up another thing, how common the use of "crazy" or "insane " or similar statements are when making dramatic or hyperbolic statements. It's extraordinarily common. For instance Elon Musk's infamous tweet about being "insane" not to buy a Tesla because Robotaxis were coming. It's just a common term for drama.
I DO know how much he is on Prusa's jock, but I really don't feel this is related to your review at all as you mention that he's blocked you already. It's just an interesting outlier of a printer to review due to its cost and there's only so many times you can review a new, almost identical to the previous mid range printer in the current market saturation.
If he or Prusa had any foresight, he would show people how to get decent prints out of it as-is, explain the limitations, promote it as a low cost machine for people to test the waters with, and casually mention they could upgrade to a Prusa once they are at the limit of the $70 machine. That kind of sly marketing. Alas they didn't, but I don't feel like they think this is any threat to Prusa.
Anyways, here's my comment for the engagement algorithm. Hope people will stick around to check out your back catalog of videos, CNC introduction, printer reviews, how to on making new bike levers for your kid. I kinda understand why you're doing the drama stuff, but I personally prefer the video types you make that I listed here.
Regarding Your 6th Paragraph: SHHHHH! FFS don't give them the answer. Let them keep making mistakes. But the beautiful thing is that they won't ever enact this strategy. They are incapable of magnanimity as evidenced by their treatment of me.
Thank you for your sacrifice to the engagement algorithm gods may it appease them. However, I suspect that no show of piety will overcome the momentum from 23 unsubscribes so far. Even though the ratio currently sits at 75% upvotes all the algorithm cares about for long term success is the subscriber count. This video will soon perish. Likely topping out at around 2.5k views.
I think that a beginner who wants to get into 3D printing to print things, this little printer is not a good choice at all. However, if you want to get into 3D printing to tinker with and modify the machine, this would be a good entry point, as you suggested. So perhaps you two are thinking about two different kinds of beginners.
If you have one project that you need to print and you want good quality for the absolute lowest price there is no arguing that this printer is the best option. I showed that for $70 and not that much tinkering you can get your print made. Is it finicky? Absolutely. But at 1/12 the cost I think you can justify a little tinkering for a $700 savings.
Anyway, it's a moot point. We are all experts around here with multiple printers arguing about a theoretical beginner when it's a fact that almost nobody is choosing to enter into this hobby anymore.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Wouldn't a better comparison be to one of the standard bed slingers, like an Ender 3 clone for around $150? That'd be a bit more than double the price, but capable of printing larger parts, has a heated bed, and direct drive extrusion.
I have to say that your mods are far simpler, cheaper, and resulted in a nice print. So even though I'm sure Tom had a lot of fun with his project, you might describe it as more of an overhaul solution, that ended up coming up short due to the limited flow rate of the heater and nozzle. He probably learned a lot in the process, but for viewers it probably wasn't that useful except for some intro to input shaping and recent improvements in the sensor design (the USB connection).
Another thing we could maybe guess is that using a B-tree board because of the sponsor wouldn't have made sense on the unmodded printer because it wasn't really capable of using all of the features of the board, and so the printer had to be upgraded to make use of them. That might have influenced his thinking.
Spend no time worrying about what other people think. Your life will be MUUUCH happier.
There is a fine line between not giving a F and being so obstinate that nobody can deal with you.
Is the misspelling of the name in the video title on purpose (then it would be a great but slightly passive-agressive pun) or just a simple mistake? :)
WOOPS! No that was not intentional. It was an autocorrect that I did not catch. I just changed it. Thank you for pointing that out.
@@DesignPrototypeTest I thought as much :) You’re very welcome.
What is that phenomena where people can’t stop watching a train wreck even though they know what’s going to happen? Yeah, whatever that is, I guess why I’m still subscribed to this channel 🤣
Well, at least you're not here to insult my person like all the other tHe cOMmuNiTy members.
The game is the game.
I enjoy your videos. From the vehicle repairs to the design of the broom holders. The printer repair or enhancements. The fact that you are a firm believe in supporting original designers instead of the cheap knock offs. Even the foreign exchange program. All great!
🎉😊
You've been paying attention. I appreciate you.
That's sad, i like most guys/girls in the 3d printing community and its sad that people act so petty "behind" curtains and then everything is fine and well during the videos. Honestly didn't know that was happening, I'm glad you showed that side of theirs.
I think you are getting a bit too defensive and overthinking stuff about Thomas Sanladerer. I dont know why he would block you and have never watched his videos but it seems he was just making a generalization and expressing his opinion.
That being said, I feel like for the past year or so your videos have gotten a bit too paranoid/obsessed with prusa's attacks rather than just ignoring them and moving on to create content that proves his point about you is wrong. I know he has caused harm to your channel but you repeating the same stuff about sockpuppets and prusa probably moves people away from your channel, even those who have been here for a long time.
I guess what Im trying to say is please move on and be less paranoid about people attacking you (even if it may be the truth). I subbed to this channel cause I loved seeing how you provide great solutions for cheap on pretty much anything and I feel like in the last little while your content has deviated a lot away from that..
If you spent time reading this, thank you so much and I hope you keep making great quality content! (Btw loved the vid about the 70 dollar 3d printer)
100 BUCKS FOR A KINGROON, CANT BEAT THAT
Funny story, It looks like I got scammed on that $92 printer I was talking about at the end of the last video. I had to put in a request to be refunded. Aliexpress: buyer beware, and stay vigilant. Don't just expect your stuff to arrive.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Agreed, at least you get your money back :), bought an old version on sale some time back, more than enough for my needs , i build an enclosure for heat control out of cardboard
First vid of yours I've watched. Also the last video of yours I'll watch.
Tell tHe cOMmuNiTy I said "Hi."
I don't think it's aimed at anyone in particular. As for blocking you he probably doesn't want any of the drama from your polarising opinions. Also it was a part two as part one came out from before yours.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
This is the subtle insidiousness of the situation. Because these guys don't attack me directly you all keep believing they are worth supporting. Meanwhile I'm attacked across the internet by anonymous avatars. So they get to destroy me in the nastiest way and you just say "The leaders of the group aren't attacking you. It's just some nasty trolls who have nothing to do with Tom or Josef." Must be nice living in your comfortable little world refusing to analyze your team with a critical eye. Easy living.
Your a bit sensitive aren't you.
@@DesignPrototypeTest You may want to step away from the internet for a bit and think about how ridiculous you sound. Im sorry buddy but you have an issue and making a video crying to the world about blah fucking blah did this is seriously a character flaw. Go touch some grass and let people be themselves. Sad day when people cant just simply get along with another. bye now Have a great day :)
Yeah I reckon it's stupider. It's like school yard bullying/in-joke/ganging up on you for the fun of it. It's tribal- once you become a joke to them in their little in group, that's hard to shake... And they'll double - down if you argue or react. Childish idiots sitting behind their keyboards anonymously. I still remember the old comments which seemed like the same bunch of trolls every time for years under different user names. Now looking back those comments where what enraged me and drew me into reading and watching more of your vids. Sure you're not writing them yourself?!! Haha joking.
"...writing them yourself?"
I mean, that is a distinct possibility. If I were you watching me I would definitely consider this. There are a few factors that point to this not being the case. The troll accounts have not benefited me in any discernable way. I've displayed the ability to productively employ my motivation and skills elsewhere, so why would I spend so much time fabricating such an intricate lie? If you believe that I am the type of person who just insatiably needs the attention then why don't I say my name on camera? Aren't there better ways for me to attain the attention? Also, you have to believe that I have the ability to manipulate the algorithm such that a video with 11,000 views has 91.4% downvotes but I am not able to manipulate the algorithm to make my channel more successful? ruclips.net/video/Hf2lRzJQpu8/видео.htmlsi=Av1xopz3DT4lpaFE The easier explanation is that Tom, 3DPN, Barnacles, et al who have millions of subs between them simply said a few bad things about me to their superfans and that tiny portion of their viewership hates on me.
Or if you really want to get conspiracy theory on it Prusa makes $7,000,000 per month. So that means there is a large advertising budget to be spent on marketing. How does a company in a former soviet block country approach marketing to foreigners? Perhaps they employ the services of sock puppets in other former Soviet Block countries. AKA Russian Sock puppet farms. These answers are more plausible than me F-ing up myself for the last 6 years Fight Club Style.
I’m sure Thomaas Sandradlandererer was sitting around thinking about what video to put out 8 days ago.
When he saw your vid and thought, in German, “YES! I can do this video better!!!”
Truly a lightbulb moment!
And within the next 7 days he acquired the printer, did all his tests and mods and then shot and edited a video.
Because clearly, any idiot can make a video and put it on the internet, for free.
Tell me you didn't watch my video without telling me you didn't watch my video.
You saw the thumbnail and wrote a knee-jerk reaction because you do not seek all the information before writing diatribes. Given how careless you are with your words, why should anyone listen to you?
Spiraling into the deep catacombs of madness I see. What is this? 3D printing gossip paranoia chanell?
And yet just the previous video I made was technical and more clever than anything Tom did in his technical video. I was able to achieve a higher quality benchy and I didn't have to spend like $300 the way he did. There are plenty of videos showing $400 printers making benchies quickly. There is no video showing how to tune up a $70 printer to achieve such results. Not only is my video technical, it is unique. But you didn't watch that one or comment on it. That's because you don't like technical videos. You like drama and gossip. You like pretending that you don't.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Me wathcing the video is where you might be mistaken. All I did was quick clik-through and express disappointment in the comments. Because no matter how technical/educational content might be, it was disqualified by clickbaity synthetic rivality. I am not here to defend Tom, he lost it by running RRF on the voron, refusing to use klipper because of "toxic community" for more then 3 years and suddenly promoting it few days ago without acknowledging his error. This childish emotional crap has no place in tech community.
"If u get better, i invite you on a trip to visit...." ?!??
Does that really mean, "If u join my cult"? 😂😂😂
One of the reasons I have been a subscriber for years, is your honesty, and if people have a problem with honesty than this is not the channel for them. Thomas Sanladerer needs to stop being a yes man and start getting a life. I like Thomas and it is hard to see him going down this hole. I am from Mexico and in 2014 when I started on the hobby the only way to get your hands on a 3d printer with out having to pay 3 times more than the US price, the only alternative was to build one, I have built 8 printers since, I have a Siboor Voron trident that I just finished, and there will be spoiled person who can get anything under the sun saying, why don't you get a LDO kit instead, well in Mexico those kits are unattainable and we do the best we can. Same with this little toy, not everyone can afford a prusa, specially since the new MK4 is $2,100.00 dollars after tax and shipping here in Mexico.
Jeeeeez, $2,100?! Oof.
us neuroatypicals always rub normies up the wrong way. peace, bro. x
:)
I had a different comment to make originally, but then watched your vid first. I hate how petty people have become, and am glad I did not comment on sanladerer's vid about your own vid. I sometimes think you get a little emotional on subjects but I can't argue that you are wrong and would most likely be even more emotional myself in your position. Facts are irreverent and feelings aren't, cant have an opinion based on facts anymore where as a opinion based on feelings in ok, more then ok in fact. SMH
"Spent €270 on a €70 printer".👍
Yeah, seems like a shot fired there from Tom.
Him and CNC came out in full support of the regime during the plague. Any respect I may have had for them is long gone.
I like your videos. I also like Thomas’ stuff and have learned from both of you. I think you have perceived correctly a passive-aggressive slight, so don’t let anyone gaslight you that you didn’t.
However, perhaps his chief motive was care for the buyers and genuine concern at even $70 being wasted by those who might hope to get consistent results rather than simply investing in a first-step learning rig (that may fail within X-amount of time). He may genuinely disagree with your conclusions in a way that got him ‘cross’ and concerned that people may invest (the admittedly small amount) as they foray in to a new hobby and become jaded before they began with a ‘serious printer’ (whatever brand that might be).
That doesn’t excuse the ‘no sane person’ comment and I do believe an apology from Thomas would be a good olive branch if he decided to be friendly in that regard.
I agree with your conclusion that the comment was directed at you and my opinion is that it is unfortunate and unnecessary (and uncharacteristic, which leaves me feeling disappointed).
You seem to be a good person. A clever peacemaker. I like you.
DPT you are a good guy but I think you should try and find someone to play devils advocate for your arguments. I’ve watched both videos and I didn’t see it as a personal attack at all but idk, I could always be missing context.
Fair enough. It was quite subtle. But when you really look at it I think it's unambiguously an attack. One that only a select few would catch and understand if I had not made this video. Why does he block me? Why am I pariah? I like and respect Tom. I've never said anything bad about him. Except to point out that he advocates for Prusa without revealing his bias.
@@DesignPrototypeTest You’re right. If he made this video as a response to yours then it’s most likely a rude comment towards you. I’m just not sure it is in response because he got that printer 3 months ago and told his plans to make this video at 21:18 ruclips.net/video/ikjOEaPY6Rk/видео.html . If the video was already planned then he was probably just making that comment not targeting anyone and genuinely thinking that people would disagree. But like I said I could always be wrong. I just like both of you as RUclipsrs, and wouldn’t want offense to be taken if offense was not meant.
interesting video, subscribed
Bud there idiots trying to get under your skin and get you going and your giving them what they want.
Because enough of you who seem to support me are saying this I will reveal the multifaceted game I am playing. While it is true that I do respect Tom for his contributions. You have to question my sincerity about being upset or even surprised at his actions towards me. After 6 years of dealing with these people, does it seem like something that would actually bother me? And yet nobody would care if I didn't proclaim a grievance. The wrongdoing would be dismissed because I was seemingly unaffected. So in order to publicize the ill behavior, I must proclaim that it injures me.
What I really do care about is something that would not gain any traction. I care about the Injustice of the algorithm. Because they were able to make me unpopular with their followers my success online has been negatively affected. I care deeply about this. I was robbed. So now I take every opportunity I can to shine a light on their nefarious actions so that their followers will see the ugliness they support.
I have zero hope that I will experience any justice in this situation.
The cost of sanity in this society is a certain level of alienation. __Terrence McKenna
Stay skitzo my friend, disregard ThE CoMmUNiTy you're our guy
Dude, you need some therapy man, so many things/people live rent free
First
Omg dude your so crazy. Go back to complaining about fake guns
How disingenuous with an avatar name like that to be so outwardly hostile. If you want to be FRIENDS you shouldn't insult me. ruclips.net/video/ukiD7YyCK9g/видео.htmlsi=hCoqm9-Qbp59yZuu
Someone suffers from psychosis here.
Define psychosOs. Explain how my behaviors fit with that definition.
@@DesignPrototypeTest People with psychosis may hear, see, smell, taste, or feel things that are not there. They can also hold strong beliefs or bizarre ideas, such as that someone is out to get them or that someone is monitoring their activities when these are not the case. BTW I dont give damn about Prusa products.
@@DesignPrototypeTest People with psychosis may hear, see, smell, taste, or feel things that are not there. They can also hold strong beliefs or bizarre ideas, such as that someone is out to get them or that someone is monitoring their activities when these are not the case.
Or it might not be about you… or a big conspiracy… most time things just happen stupidly…
Anyway huge enjoyer of your and Tom’s videos so please all be nice to each other 🥹
Tell Tom. I'm not the one blocking him or calling him insane.
@@DesignPrototypeTest I totally agree. Tom blocking you is not nice and he should not be doing that. Maybe time for a peace colab?
When did he block you by the way?
Years ago. There are more people that block me on X than follow me. How does that happen? The only explanation is that tHe coMmUNitY brought all of their followers to my channel just to block me. Imagine if I had been the beneficiary of a positivity campaign instead of a negative one.