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O/T Just wanted to drop in and say that your custom kit packs are top notch! I've gotten two of the bundles for the TD-17 so far and I am loving them. Combined with your videos on customizing the Roland sounds, you have taught me a lot about how the sounds can be shaped. Your custom kits really show off your talent and skill! Keep up the great work!
Great video and good idea. The remark that positional sensing was Roland patented for a long time confuses me. The 1993 Clavia ddrum3 already supported positional sensing, as does my good old ddrum4 module. With the ddrum4 you can configure a pad to transmit up to 8 different midi notes for positional info.
Thank you! Yeah, it's a bit of a muddy one. The idea of using positional sensing at all isn't/wasn't Roland patented, I think it was the specific way they did it with the centre cone trigger and waveform detection on mesh. So I think that it kind of ruled out a lot of options for smaller companies after Roland had established their way of doing it and many just didn't even bother in order to try and avoid legal issues. I'm not sure whether the ddrum stuff was before Roland's patent or if their method was just very different. I could be off here as I didn't play electronic drums (or drums at all!) way back then, but I think that's the general idea.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks for your response. I do recall issues in the past with patents related to mesh pads with center mounted piezo's, but after doing some online searches it seems that positional sensing is also mentioned in related discussions. It may indeed have to deal with the specific method that positional sensing is used. Ddrum had mesh pads at some point, but with side mounted triggers. I wonder if that was because it was easy for them to do (based on their cast acoustic pads and already available rim mounted trigger design), or whether they were avoiding issues with Roland. Officially positional sensing on the ddrum4 is supposed to work only on the ddrum cast precision pads, but I have noticed it to work to some point with a Roland mesh pad as well, but there is no tweak-ability at all.
Love your videos amazing! I have a question 🙋♂️ I just got a Pearl Mimic pro and just installed my new Jobeky 4 way Multi Zone triggers and 3 way Triggs as well. My question on the Pearl mimic pro what trigger pad setting do I set it to to get the maximum performance out of these triggers? Cause they don’t have a option for Jobeky triggers so what would be the propped one to choose? Thank you!
Looking to upgrade my snare to one that supports positional sensing, and is compatible with my EDrumin10. It appears currently the EDrumin doesn't support multi sensor pads, is this correct? So aside from the DDT MS-140 I saw in the Audiofront video about positional sensing, what else will work? I'm looking at the Roland PD-140DS and the Drumtec Pro 3 snare drum. Any others I've missed?
As a mimic pro owner l still wonder what Pearls intention was or is with the massive storage. I think they had a plan with Steven Slate but it failed. Maybe they had a plan to sell drum packs but changed their mind l don't know and probably will never know.
Yeah, you could run your cymbals through the eDRUMin, use the bell sense for the third zone and then send the MIDI to the Mimic allowing you to have multiple 3 zone cymbals. Or even do the same but with dual input rides going into the eDRUMin. Bear in mind though that no crashes have bell samples in the Mimic so you'd probably need to do some clever mixing and matches with ride samples if you wanted that. Also, the bell sense feature works great with certain cymbals (mostly the Roland ones), but it doesn't work well with others, so it would require some testing/the right pads to get it right.
Hi Luke! Thanks for efforts! You used the Jobeky trigger? Sounds nice. I really enjoy your british accent. -> Say: "Alibaba". By the way, due to your vid I ordered some Lemon cymbals and a 45$ 12" Lemon snare pad. Even beeing a low-priced product that pad performes basically quite good with positional sensing using the eDRUMin.
Thank you! Yeah, I used the Jobeky trigger for this as it was the most accurate one I had for positional sensing - had try pretty hard to keep the dynamics in check with that centre hot spot! Interesting - does the Lemon 12" pad work well? I've only tried the cymbals myself.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I need to make some further tests. But I already dialed in a playable position sensing. As I see, they use a smaller foam rod than Jobeky.
I just bought a Yamaha DTX Pro module. According to Simon Edgoose positional sensing is available for the snare but ONLY ON THE TCS SNARE! What's the deal with this?
Yes, for whatever reason it doesn't/can't support PS on mesh pads. I imagine they created their own method for the positional sensing and it relies on either the TCS material's response or something in their wiring (purely guessing). Yamaha's only mesh pads are also 3 cone ones which probably won't do positional sensing anyway, so they probably didn't deem it important to support PS for competitors pads. I personally think it's a shame but I don't know their actual reasons.
I don't think that GGD has any "snare side" samples, does it? This method relies on that - or at least a set of alternative samples that sound different enough to the centre head samples when triggered by the note change as you move across the head.
It's just the one centre piezo for the head position. I believe they use the frequency of the waveform to detect where the hit is on the head . As you move away from the centre of the pad, the waveforms will become shorter (if I remember rightly) because the head flexes less/has a higher tension towards the edge. The patent they have explains it how it works, so if you have a search around you should be able to find that to learn more about it!
Seems like when you are demonstrating center-to/from-edge snare movement you should show an overhead shot focused on the snare to accentuate movement away from and toward the snare center. (lose the 13" snare as well mate ;-)
We only need clever AI software to augment low volume inputs. You'll use standard drum mics (close positioning) and the input will be analysed real time and transformed to a quality drum sound. The inputs will train the software for better accuracy over time whilst playing. This will end the acoustic/electronic debate forever. You won't actually be playing electronic drums. Any sound (be it low volume or not) are transformed into something else. Any sound your mic pics up could be trained and transformed. With AI, I think it's a matter of time. The person building this will be insta rich.
Sunhouse / Evans Hybrid Sensory Percussion is very similar to this idea! Maybe not as much a fully formed "AI" as you've mentioned, but the general idea is pretty close.
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This is really impressive
Thanks dude 🙏
Luke, you're the craziest e-drum nerd on the interweb...it´s now official 😆😆😆 Great video
😂😂 thank you!
I’ll probably come back to this video when my head stops hurting. Awesome ideas!
O/T Just wanted to drop in and say that your custom kit packs are top notch! I've gotten two of the bundles for the TD-17 so far and I am loving them. Combined with your videos on customizing the Roland sounds, you have taught me a lot about how the sounds can be shaped. Your custom kits really show off your talent and skill! Keep up the great work!
Thank you 🙏 Really glad that you're enjoying the kits and the content!
Great video and good idea. The remark that positional sensing was Roland patented for a long time confuses me. The 1993 Clavia ddrum3 already supported positional sensing, as does my good old ddrum4 module. With the ddrum4 you can configure a pad to transmit up to 8 different midi notes for positional info.
Thank you! Yeah, it's a bit of a muddy one. The idea of using positional sensing at all isn't/wasn't Roland patented, I think it was the specific way they did it with the centre cone trigger and waveform detection on mesh. So I think that it kind of ruled out a lot of options for smaller companies after Roland had established their way of doing it and many just didn't even bother in order to try and avoid legal issues. I'm not sure whether the ddrum stuff was before Roland's patent or if their method was just very different. I could be off here as I didn't play electronic drums (or drums at all!) way back then, but I think that's the general idea.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks for your response. I do recall issues in the past with patents related to mesh pads with center mounted piezo's, but after doing some online searches it seems that positional sensing is also mentioned in related discussions. It may indeed have to deal with the specific method that positional sensing is used. Ddrum had mesh pads at some point, but with side mounted triggers. I wonder if that was because it was easy for them to do (based on their cast acoustic pads and already available rim mounted trigger design), or whether they were avoiding issues with Roland. Officially positional sensing on the ddrum4 is supposed to work only on the ddrum cast precision pads, but I have noticed it to work to some point with a Roland mesh pad as well, but there is no tweak-ability at all.
My DM 10 had positional sensing with the Roland PD12.
Very nice video Luke. Love to see one using the eDRUMin 10 and the digital snare and ride from roland. Maybe using another device too?
My bro is back! Quality content as usual.
Thank you! 🙏
Love your videos amazing! I have a question 🙋♂️ I just got a Pearl Mimic pro and just installed my new Jobeky 4 way Multi Zone triggers and 3 way Triggs as well. My question on the Pearl mimic pro what trigger pad setting do I set it to to get the maximum performance out of these triggers? Cause they don’t have a option for Jobeky triggers so what would be the propped one to choose? Thank you!
Looking to upgrade my snare to one that supports positional sensing, and is compatible with my EDrumin10.
It appears currently the EDrumin doesn't support multi sensor pads, is this correct?
So aside from the DDT MS-140 I saw in the Audiofront video about positional sensing, what else will work?
I'm looking at the Roland PD-140DS and the Drumtec Pro 3 snare drum.
Any others I've missed?
Hi Luke, this one is so elaborated my brain went 🤯
As a mimic pro owner l still wonder what Pearls intention was or is with the massive storage. I think they had a plan with Steven Slate but it failed. Maybe they had a plan to sell drum packs but changed their mind l don't know and probably will never know.
If you ask on forums you get banned…
Like the plant 🌵 in the background
Great informative video. Thanks for posting.
How much latency does the eDrummin add to Mimic?
Wow Luke! Great tip!
Thank you! 🙏
This midi pad can also work with superior drummer?
Roland after this video: "So, who do we sue? Pearl, or eDRUMin?!"
Is it also possible to have the bell-sensing feature to other cymbals? TIA, Luke!
Yeah, you could run your cymbals through the eDRUMin, use the bell sense for the third zone and then send the MIDI to the Mimic allowing you to have multiple 3 zone cymbals. Or even do the same but with dual input rides going into the eDRUMin. Bear in mind though that no crashes have bell samples in the Mimic so you'd probably need to do some clever mixing and matches with ride samples if you wanted that. Also, the bell sense feature works great with certain cymbals (mostly the Roland ones), but it doesn't work well with others, so it would require some testing/the right pads to get it right.
Hi Luke! Thanks for efforts! You used the Jobeky trigger? Sounds nice.
I really enjoy your british accent. -> Say: "Alibaba".
By the way, due to your vid I ordered some Lemon cymbals and a 45$ 12" Lemon snare pad.
Even beeing a low-priced product that pad performes basically quite good with positional sensing using the eDRUMin.
Thank you! Yeah, I used the Jobeky trigger for this as it was the most accurate one I had for positional sensing - had try pretty hard to keep the dynamics in check with that centre hot spot! Interesting - does the Lemon 12" pad work well? I've only tried the cymbals myself.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I need to make some further tests. But I already dialed in a playable position sensing. As I see, they use a smaller foam rod than Jobeky.
I recently bought a module, but I can't hear the rim shot from Snare. Please tell me how to set up a rim shot or how to solve it.
Have you read the manual? It explains how to calibrate the Rim Shot Threshold settings properly in there.
I just bought a Yamaha DTX Pro module. According to Simon Edgoose positional sensing is available for the snare but ONLY ON THE TCS SNARE! What's the deal with this?
Yes, for whatever reason it doesn't/can't support PS on mesh pads. I imagine they created their own method for the positional sensing and it relies on either the TCS material's response or something in their wiring (purely guessing). Yamaha's only mesh pads are also 3 cone ones which probably won't do positional sensing anyway, so they probably didn't deem it important to support PS for competitors pads. I personally think it's a shame but I don't know their actual reasons.
VERY impressive video.
Thanks 🙏
Nice work my man!
Thank you! 🙏
Brilliant!
Interesting, so with the eDRUMin does this mean I could also get positional sensing working with a GGDrums library in my DAW?
I don't think that GGD has any "snare side" samples, does it? This method relies on that - or at least a set of alternative samples that sound different enough to the centre head samples when triggered by the note change as you move across the head.
DrumDrops offers sample libraries with samples for Snare centre and snare edge hits
How does positional sensing work? Is it two piezes and you work out position by the velocity difference between the two piezos?
It's just the one centre piezo for the head position. I believe they use the frequency of the waveform to detect where the hit is on the head . As you move away from the centre of the pad, the waveforms will become shorter (if I remember rightly) because the head flexes less/has a higher tension towards the edge. The patent they have explains it how it works, so if you have a search around you should be able to find that to learn more about it!
Downright Brilliant! I'm assuming the eDrumin 4 could do the same for a bit cheaper.
Thank you! And yes, I should imagine so. I'm not using any eDRUMin 10-specific features.
Yes, this will work fine with the eDRUMin 4 as well.
@@yeahtuna Are there any eDRUMin10 specific features besides th USB host?
@@eDrumsInANutshellBesides the USB Host port, ED10 also has a MIDI In DIN and an extra pedal input.
Great video!
Thank you! 🙏
Seems like when you are demonstrating center-to/from-edge snare movement you should show an overhead shot focused on the snare to accentuate movement away from and toward the snare center. (lose the 13" snare as well mate ;-)
I'm sorry to hear that you're caught up in the 14" snare propaganda machine!
Deep!
This is epic
Thank you 🙏
Dude your sick with with midi edrums no position sensing no problem lol 😂
Ahh thank you, much appreciated! 🙏
We only need clever AI software to augment low volume inputs. You'll use standard drum mics (close positioning) and the input will be analysed real time and transformed to a quality drum sound. The inputs will train the software for better accuracy over time whilst playing. This will end the acoustic/electronic debate forever. You won't actually be playing electronic drums. Any sound (be it low volume or not) are transformed into something else. Any sound your mic pics up could be trained and transformed. With AI, I think it's a matter of time. The person building this will be insta rich.
Sunhouse / Evans Hybrid Sensory Percussion is very similar to this idea! Maybe not as much a fully formed "AI" as you've mentioned, but the general idea is pretty close.
Sunhouse / Evans Hybrid Sensory Percussion is very similar to this idea!