periodt. he was so nice and i am happy he got out of this messy drama and i hate that belly led him on knowing that he wasnt the one she really really liked
Also the fact belly Apologize to Nicole baffled me because she’s better than me because I will have not sat there and apologizes to someone that left me I could possibly get kidnapped or something
@Gloriellee X they could’ve got kidnapped when Nicole left her and Taylor at the lake by themselves at night and they had a walk themselves with no clothes
That's a fair point because that was a messed up thing to do to them (especially because these girls are underaged for one and secondly the freaks come out at night) so they could've gotten snatched up and before you know it we're watching Taken: The Series. At least be a lady and talk one-on-one on how shady Belly was being, which they did later but still.
@@valeriemanful2507 PLUS it's not her fault conrad texted her that! Nicole punished her and taylor for something she didn't even know about yet at that point, it was totally uncool/immature
@@KC-ep6sg I’m not excusing Nicole at all for that but I don’t think she was mad at Belly for this one text message. By this time of the show Belly & Nicole had several conversations about Conrad. Nicole has asked her like at least twice if she had anything going on with the brothers more specifically Conrad and she denied. Not even mentioning her crush or anything. Nicole whose also friends with Belly now has complained to the girls and Belly about Conrad not texting her back and him being stand offish. Even though Conrad is at blame for cheating and messing around with two girls I’d also understand why she’d be pissed at Belly because this girl whose supposedly my friend who’d listen to me talk about me and my bf having problems obviously has something going on if I kind of noticed it beforehand and then he texts her this type of stuff.
one thing i hated was the fact that people always say conrad’s mom is dying like it’s not jeremiah’s mom too. he asked conrad several times if something was wrong with susannah and all he did was keep jere in the dark. LIKE WTF
To make matters worse Jere and Conrad both knew the entire time in the books and Belly and Steven didn’t even notice anything was wrong because they said that Conrad had always been a jerk
I mean it wasn’t Conrad’s place to air out Susannah’s info he knew that she would tell them when she’s ready and like telling someone else is like confirming your mom is dying which he didn’t want to do I guess
I know Miss Belly was having her Hot Girl Summer but first of all JUSTICE FOR CAM CAMERON. Okay so, I knew from the very beginning that she was gonna end up with Conrad (I didn't have to read the book to know this). It felt like a "hurry up and get to the point" because the whole time I was just waiting for her to end up with him. THEN the fact that Conrad had a whole ass girl he was seeing and Belly still trying to be all friendly with Nicole felt really off to me, it made it hard for me to like the main character and feel some kind of connection with her. Then the fact that she ended up kissing AND letting Jeremiah cop a feel and STILL ended up being with Conrad by the end of the show and we don't even see how this affected Jeremiah???? Like, y'all some shady ass people for doing all of that. Like, I understand being unsure and all that but Belly, babe...you gotta do better. Plus Conrad gives off emotional manipulator vibessss. And Shayla, baby girl, you need to run as far as away as you can from Steven. The fact that the very first moment he felt "insecure" in the relationship he ran off and made out with Belly's friend??? And wasn't even going to tell her AFTER the fact until Belly said something?? JAIL. Like what the freak? AND THEN he's over here gambling all his money away just to fit in with the rich kids?? RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG. I loved and hated this show, I stayed for Jeremiah and Cam Cameron.
no because CAM CAMERON WAS THE BEST CHOICE🙄 i think one of the reasons why nicoles relatioship w belly was a bit underdevopled was becuase she was very much so made out to be a bit of a b*tch in the book and jenny toke a much more friendly, “girls supporting girls’ narrative which i totally love!!and so i’d like to think belly was genuine in her friendship with nicole and wasn’t having this alterior motive but idk also i get why so many people love jere but i’m a conrad girl through and through😩
also i LOVE shayla but i truly think taylor and steven are a better match. Regardless, i’m really hoping she’s still in the show regardless of her relationship status. i think overall every boy in this series besides cam was emotionally immature (which is to be expected) but damn i hope cam is living his best life
I couldn't get behind Jeremiah bc the actor who they cast looked way too much like a TikTok/hypehouse type for me to take him seriously at all, but JUSTICE FOR CAM CAMERON!!!
no cause you spilled the tea on how I felt about the whole Jeremiah and Belly situation!!! Like he just found out his mom was sick again to come see the girl he loves with his brother (who he has always been second to)? Dude it was cruel lmaooo. I'M FOREVER TEAM JEREMIAH AND YES I DID READ THE BOOKS
THIS RIGHT HERE!! You mean to tell me that nobody bothered to look for him?? I haven't even read the books and I'm team Jeremiah all day. I've been seeing people say that Belly chose right in book 1 but I'm like shoot if I was Jeremiah I would be mad too if I got shaded by the girl I liked AND my brother at the same time?? Like, I'm sorry but Belly and Conrad both deserve each other because they are messy af.
@@therealkimwells wait. So true! Like cam Cameron and Jeremiah deserve better tbh. And right!? Like why did not ONE person go and look for him. Like it didn’t have be the moms but even belly’s dad would have been enough. The fact that they used Jeremiah finding out about his moms cancer and an opportunity to have a romantic conrad and belly moment doesn’t sit right with me. It like proves his being used for plot purposes. (Although I can’t lie I love the taylor swift scene)
I FELT SO BAD FOR HIM! Like the pain her felt waking in and seeing that was so bad. Especially when he found out his brother never told him which he had the right to be upset about
Thank you! As Nicole said, Belly was a F-girl. She played with so many hearts. Couldn't get behind her cheating on Jer when she called out her friend and brother for cheating on Shayla. They should have not let Belly and Conrad kiss on the last episode. They should have left it as a confession if they want, but make it bitter-sweet, like bread crumbs for the future season.
i also didn’t like the fact that they used jeremiah crying over his mum having cancer as an opportunity for belly and conrad to have a romantic dance. also why did no one look for jere?
I definitely agree with some of the points Imurgency brought up! But, I do wish shows would start understanding and realizing that women/men/people can be attractive with glasses and braces and why does removing them suddenly make them “pretty”.
For sure- that was something from the book that didn't age well. I remember that being an insecure of mine growing up because it was a trope I constantly saw in books/movies, and I did read this book back in middle school 😞
THANK YOU! I literally wear glasses and braces right now and I'm really tired of seeing the narrative portrays someone being unattractive just for having those. I was pretty turned off by the show/book because it really displayed imperfection beings synonymous with unattractiveness. It rubbed me the wrong way. But then I was told this book came in the early 2010s so it made sense considering the toxic tropes that resides within the series but it still doesn't make it right though. Like you said why did her braces and glasses need to be removed in order for her to "turn pretty". And notice how all of a sudden she started getting boys left and right because of that. Like what if she didn't get her braces off and contact until later in life. Would they have still confessed their love to her? Doesn't make any sense.
Personal opinion here, but I feel like these things doesn't necessary mean you were ugly. I think it was more of a way to portrait going through certain changes, which most of us do. Getting braces or wearing glasses helps our health and not only that, but it brings out our feautures that does not mean necessary that you are ugly, but in a way is working towards the goal of ideal symmetry, which we as humans like much more. I watched this explained somewhere scientifically. So it's not about uglyness, but more about bringing out attractiveness I feel. Attractiveness = symmetry . It is a whole another discussion how we treat people who do not fit the standart. We have the facts, but that doesn't mean you can be rude towards someone just because they do not fit your standarts. ❤❤
I’ve been looking forward to this video and you did not disappoint. You never do. Your takes are always *chefs kiss*. Also hell yes to being Team Jeremiah. The author making him bisexual in the show is the best change she could’ve made.
I hated the name Belly too 🤣 I loved Cam and Jeremiah. Hated Conrad. I don't get the appeal. I'm sorry why do we hate Shayla. I loved her. Her outfits were always on point and she was so confident. I can't fathom why anyone would dislike her. I also love the mom's friendship the episode when they got high was so funny and fun. Lastly the aesthetic of the show is so beautiful.
I love shayla she is one of my favorites. I actually loved her more than conrad ngl haha. She delt with Stevens shit and was incredibly patient and caring to people. She didn’t even react negatively towards Taylor when she met her. The only crime she ever committed was wearing whatever that dress was at the deb ball.
I feel like most people who are like oh Jeremiah’s feelings came out of nowhere on the show doesn’t realize that everything is seen through Belly’s lens, which would make anything Conrad do seem rose coloured and anything Jeremiah do seem nonchalant and friendly.
That's true, but that also shows that Belly's feelings came out of nowhere. She showed no interest until Jeremiah told her he wanted more than friendship and although she was in love with Conrad at the time she was just like... "yeah, okay. Why not?" which seemed so weird since she hadn't been into him at all until that moment.
Can we plz talk about Taylor. Like i low key loved her. She’s honestly a real ass friend and I don’t blame her for hooking up with Steven cuz I could honestly see them together. I just love how Taylor was always there to help Belly come out of her shell and truly have a hot girl summer. I wasn’t sure if she was a toxic friend at the beginning just cuz she got really jealous when she found out about Belly’s new deb friends but I still loved her
it's been months and it still baffles me how by the end of the season, she's one of the few people that saw and called out Conrad's bullshit treatment towards Belly even right from the beginning.
Honestly, what I don't like about this show (and a lot of other romance shows and books) is that the main character always ends up with their first love no matter how awful they are together. Conrad only really took notice of belly when she had her 'glow up' . And this might just be me but I don't think Belly was ever actually in love with Conrad. I feel like she idolised him because he was the oldest person in the group and after that she kind of just fell for the idea of him. Might just be how I perceived though.
@@swastikafulari6 I'm going mainly off of the books, and the books left a lot of this kind of stuff to your own personal perception of it. They changed a lot of scenes in the show to make Conrad seem more favourable which I think is actually good because if you're going to make them end up together, might as well make them less toxic
@@swastikafulari6 he didn’t even gave her the infinity necklace to begin with, she found it herself in a drawer full of condoms! Who cares about the Taylor swift songs, lol. It’s not like he dedicated those songs to her. A crush is one thing and another is being in love with someone. He teaching her dance? Jeremiah was teaching her how to drive and that doesn’t mean anything.
I still can't get over the nickname "Belly", there was so many others to chose from. If this was explained in the books that I did not read, or in a scene from the show that I either forgot or didn't watch, pleaseeeee tell me.
in the books she loved “jelly belly” candies & it was touched on in the books how much she loved junk food/candy. in my head its still not justification for that dumb nickname😅
@@Itzezyyyy nah y’all gotta stop with that „hot mysterie guy thing“ that not cute anymore like grow up his character made him look trash, and conrad is open minded and is not scared to try something new! And his character is so interesting and made him awesome
YES! I LOVED this show! The cast, the soundtrack, everything. Team Jeremiah, though bc the vibe was always there. Conrad too moody for me. Okay, now on to the video, lmao. Hey, Imurgency, my thick eyebrow king💛💛 p.s lets not skip over those girls leaving underage girls at at a lake at night
Yeah I’m here for Jeremiah as well because i could tell from episode one that he wanted to be with Belly and was subtle in showing interest from the very beginning. Had Conrad been more upfront Jeremiah wouldn’t have happened. Also justice for Cam, too nice and cool to be dismissed so fast.
I have to disagree with the soundtrack part. I haven't seen anybody talk about this, but a lot of the songs felt completely out of place. I think that certain ones were just added in because they were really popular, and adding in already popular music is an easier way to impress an audience than adding in songs that really fit. Stranger things for example adds in Running Up that Hill by Kate Bush, and the song got really popular after it was showcased in the show. The meaning of the song fit the scene, the song itself was really good, and it wasn't just a cheap shot to get praise from watchers. 1 Step Forward 3 Steps back being in the scene where belly was excitedly texting her best friend about having her first kiss made no sense to me. Why have a song about a toxic relationship when we see Belly happy to begin a new one, Conrad vuberably worrying for his mom, and Laurel learning about Boston or whatever her author boyfriend’s name was.
@@kimsidyrobes8757 i get what u mean. But i liked it bc of how unexpected it was as well. So it was kinda refreshing bc it felt modern. Not too fictionalized with a dreamy/ perfect soundtrack match.
As someone who read the books and likes Jere more it's nice to see someone else bring up all the reasons why I think Jere is the better choice. That said, I'm not team Jere, but really it's just because I know Belly doesn't like him like that. Not team Conrad either for the same reasons you said. I feel like a lot of team Conrad people get hung up on all the things he did. I mean they were cute but nothing crazy. Also, he shouldn't get a pass for playing with her feelings because he's going through something hard. Yeah Jeremiah was a bit cringy and did some petty things to get between Conrad and Belly. I would still take him over emotionally unavailable Conrad.
I have not watched the show yet, but how TF do we all like Belly? She did my boy Jere dirty. AND Cam. I never found her likable reading the books. I honestly would have liked the story from Jere pov
I agree so much. I don’t think she likes Jeremiah like that at all I think what it is, is that she wanted to be with one of the brothers or something (not saying this is true but I do remember her stating something like Susannah said that Bella would get with married to one of her sons and I think she says herself it will be one of them I don’t remember fully) or that she was just tryna get back at Conrad or something cus it really made no sense Jeremiah starts liking her out of nowhere and then confesses his love and then all of a sudden Isabel likes him and wants to be with him? I didn’t really get it bc she showed no signs of liking him or wanting him before so it really didn’t add up to me. I’m also team neither I think Jeremiah and belly are better off as friends I think they are all
It's true that he's not emotionally available but one day he will be and we know Belly loves him like no one else. And the problem isn't that one part of Belly will always love Conrad but the fact the she will always want him. I like Jeremiah, though book 3, I think he made a mistake but still don't think he has that deep connection with Belly.
it's rlly funny coming from trin's video where she absolutely hated jere and loved conrad to this video where it's the opposite LOL i was team jere after first watch and team conrad in the second watch, so I really see both sides BUT CAM CAMERON WAS THE REAL WINNER IN MY HEART
I think that I would like Conrad’s character more if his broodiness and misery wasn't so emphasized or as forced. I remember a scene in this show where he was chucking corn angrily and I was like wth, who’s sad when they're chucking corn? Everytime he appeared on my screen, he was always frowning or dramatically staring at Belly from across the room, and I was just over it. I do feel bad for him, and I think the reason he falls a little flat is that there is no narration of Belly’s thoughts like there is in the book. When she's staring at him in the show, the audience sees just that. (and we see it over and over again throughout the series) In the book, it's more focused on what she's feeling for him in that specific moment. I digress. What I'm really trying to say is that people like you and I just aren't here for his negativity. (especially when it's not presented with comedy or sarcasm) Because Conrad is ALWAYS seen as this miserable guy, his random jokes and smiles feel completely out of character. I was watching this show with my cousin and when he finally came around (started being tolerable to Belly and cracking jokes) by episode four, we were just more confused than anything. I was like, “Cool, I'm glad that you're happy, but I've had so many happy scenes of Jeremiah; it's a little late for you to completely switch up now.
The show is so wholesome, simple and picturesque compared to most teen shows these days (often supernatural or murder related). It reminds me of Dawson's Creek and Gilmore Girls. So sweet and idealistic, even if it's not perfect.
A big reason why I’m not team Conrad is bc it’s so PREDICTABLE. As soon as the crush is established you know “oh yeah they’re endgame.” Like, can we subvert expectations maybe??
I was suprised by how much I liked it too because I expected same old same old cheesy teen drama wattpad realness which is somewhat what it is but I think I was taken away by the fun summery vibes, the character's personalities, how they interacted with eachother, and their strong friendship family bonds. What I disliked was 1. the way belly led Cam cameron (loved him!) and jeremiah (loved him as well! Even though he acted and looked like a sway house or hype house tiktok fboy sometimes😭) whenever Conrad wouldn't give her the time of day y'know? Like why would you pursue other relationships when you KNOW you're still hooked up on your bestfriend you've known for years??!! And 2. I hated how much they felt the need to emphasize how Conrad and Belly were soulmates especially with the moms like Susannah saying how she knew belly was meant to be with one of her sons since like her birth??! or how laurel said Conrad is like the sun that Belly orbits LIKE DANG i get it!! It's like I didn't have a choice but to ship them y'know? Like I wanted them to get together so everyone would shut up about it and they would stop leading people like Cam and Nicole on further. I like Jeremiah's character a lot mostly because I think I first viewed him as a lovable fun flirty supportive bestfriend for belly and nothing else more in the beginning. I was suprised when he started to show obvious signs of jealously. But I still ship Belly with Conrad because I think it would be unfair to ship Jer with someone who considers and treats him as a second choice. It would be terrible for Belly to like Conrad for so many years then switch up and settle for his brother. I also thought that Jeremeiah and Steven had more chemistry and I almost thought they might experiment in that area LMAO.
I agree with everything you said! Like I literally found almost every character more likable than conrad to me. And that very much includes cam and Jeremiah just because I think they deserve a lot better than his Belly is treating them and becuz they have more loveable, fun, and caring personality’s imo. And I didn’t think anyone else felt the same why I did about them so strongly expressing the soulmate chemistry between conrad and belly. Like you said, I feel so forced to ship it even though to me they were done so dirty and both characters I see to be very problematic. Like honestly is what happened in book three never happened and I didn’t know they’re supposed to be endgame I would 100% be fully team Jeremiah. But I honestly ship cam and him more bcuz they have chemistry in her bday episode 👀. But yes I totally believe the same with the last part that you said. It wouldn’t be fair to either of them,
The concept of Belly 'orbiting' around Conrad like the sun feels low-key icky to me. I can't explain it but it sounds like he will always be the center of her world without taking her into consideration
If belly hadn’t told us she had a crush on Conrad I swear I could have thought Jeremiah was the main hero( best friends to lovers sought of situation) otherwise I was team Jeremiah all the way. Conrad was a ehhh” for me, baby Jeremiah 😂 was always there for belly, always complimenting her and lifting her spirit while Conrad was 🙃 Team Jelly!!
When I saw the trailer I was like "cute little Wattpad" but I just watched ep 1 one after seeing the part of your title that says it's good. I'm not really into romance but I was surprised when ep 1 was finished. You know it's good when you're so invested that you're not even checking the time. Gonna finished them I'll watch this vid.
I think Minnie was the best actor on the show. Acting is not only over dramatic scenes. It is nuance and the ability to show a range of emotions. I saw it in Minnie’s face. Anyone can use fake tears to do a crying scene. I feel Minnie will go on to do bigger things.
tbh the main reason i'm still team conrad is bc jeremiah being romantically interested in belly appeared out of no where. like the way the show was filmed with the flashback scenes made it seem like conrad always cared for belly in a more romantic way, and that he always cared for her more in general - i do feel but for jeremiah though, he deserves better
Yep same for me. A lot of people in the comment section and dragging Conrad through the mud because of the way he treated belly during the summer so I understand why they wouldn't want him to be with belly but not to the point where I'd rather her be with Jer. Sure he was nice but throughout the show, he was shown to be very fickle and shallow when it came to his romantic interests whereas belly is clearly looking for something more organic and genuine with someone like Conrad who was shown through the flashbacks to have always gone out of his way to please Belly whilst the other boys were dismissive of her apart.
MY HOT TAKES: 1. Cam Cameron deserved so much better. He was the best, sweetest boyfriend anyone could ever ask for. When he said that he knew that their breakup would happen, my heart literally broke. Poor Cam 🥺 2. TEAM JELLYFISHER ALL THE WAY. Jeremiah is so much better (and hotter) than Conrad. He is so hilarious, kind and caring. Like, how could Belly (which is a ridiculous nickname) leave Jere for CONRAD? (No hate for Team Conrad fans but I'm sorry, Team Jere is better. 🤷♀) 3. *CONTAINS A SPOILER* Look, I used to like Steven the whole show until I watched Season 2's trailer. STEVEN ENDS UP WITH TAYLOR. Like, WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL. Poor Shayla. I really loved Shayla (though I have no idea who she could forgive Steven for cheating, I wouldn't have bc once you're a cheater, you'll always be a cheater). That's it. I know I'm LATE BUT YK (I just watched it last week lmao)
Read the book ages ago and really liked it but I was scared to watch the show and think it was juvenile. So glad that they didn't make it feel too PG-13 and childish. Conrad is obviously endgame but I love Jeremiah with my whole heart! Much more messiness to come
YES YES YES. TEAM JEREMIAH! honestly though i dont even want jeremiah to end up with belly cause i mean she will always have feelings for conrad and that is not fair to my man jeremiah. i need jeremiah to get a nice bf or something in season 2.
i wish the show played in more on jeremiah and belly’s friendship, bc in the book they’d have flashbacks of them as kids and how they were best friends
So basically there’s a difference in the books. They changed some things. In the show I am 100% team Jeremiah but in the books, I’m team Conrad. They just switched the characters a bit and it made it different. I liked what they did though bc Jere’s character in the show is just perfection
@@elvi3372 in the books, belly’s and Conrad’s connection is just better and Jeremiah and belly’s connection is worse. In my opinion, Conrad is a little nicer in the books and its clear that he has loved belly since they were younger. With Jere, they don’t have as good as a connection. Belly doesn’t like Jere back in the first book and they don’t even end up kissing, Belly turns him down because in the books it seems like Jere only ever showed interest to her when she turned pretty. I recommend you read the books if u can, they are a little different. Steven’s not even in like half of the book and the deb ball is not a thing but I liked how they added that to the show.
I was Team Jeremiah. I read the books and hated what Jenny Han did to Jeremiah in the last book but even then it didn’t seem like something Jeremiah would do and even then I was Team Jeremiah. The second book where we hear things from his perspective. He was just so much more emotionally available than Conrad. In contrast to what others said, I did see that Jeremiah liked Belly before episode 5 of the show. He was clearly jealous of Cam and only came around to liking him once he got to know him and see how well he was treating Belly. He was there for her the entire time Conrad was hot and cold and treated her like shit. Jeremiah was SO FUN, always in a good mood and cheering Belly up and healthy in how he told Belly he liked her and then waited for her to come to him (“ I would like to eventually talk about what happened the other night”). You could also see that Jeremiah liked Belly when Taylor said that it was time Belly looked at someone else and not Conrad and the look on his face gave it away that he liked her. I did not like the ending of the show. It seemed sudden and I was so so Team Jeremiah by the end of the show that I didn’t like belly ending up with Conrad. Also, the actor that plays Jeremiah is so charming that it is really hard not to root for him.
Ikr I kind of don’t even want Belly to end up with Jeremiah cuz he deserves better. Conrad and Belly r both messed up and toy around with everyone’s emotions so they deserve each other.
I honestly really liked this series, like A LOT. I'm team Jeremiah for sure, but we all know she's to choose Conrad. I liked his mysterious vibe at first, but then it just because boring and dry. As for the brother, he pisses me off too! Like why did he care so much about Belly's love life. It was far more than protective, which I felt was quite weird. I loved the mom's, and how they had differences yet were so close was so cute! When I'm older I want to have a friend like Susanna. Belly's friend Taylor, made me mad at sometimes but nothing compares to Belly's new friends. Leaving them there without clothes or a car? Hell no. Not to mention, Belly didn't even know Conrad texted her. I can't believe Belly apologized to Nichole. Oh and Cam Cameron, such a kind soul. I felt so bad for him because you could see how his character really liked Belly. Anyways, my only other thing that I must talk about is how Belly only got "pretty" once she didn't have braces, glasses, short hair, etc. As a person who has braces, it's sad to see a show portray that when you have that "unpretty" thing! I wish they would've used something else, but maybe that's just me. Thank you sm for reading this!!
I read the books and watch the show and honestly I hate storylines and tropes when two siblings are in love with the same person especially when it will affect their relationship as siblings
i agree that the trope of getting your braces off then suddenly being ✨beautiful✨ is old but it’s also… accurate lol. i didn’t start getting attention until my braces were off! and in hindsight that’s weird. also, i know it’s justice for cam cameron cause he’s such a nice guy, belly is 16. while i ended up marrying a really good guy, i dated emotionally unavailable guys, guys that were my best friends, i wasn’t thinking about who was best for me at 16. i was thinking about who gave me that “burning passion” lmao. we tend to forget in shows and books, even movies that the young characters are just that. young and confused and experiencing love for the first time. unpopular opinion, i liked steven. he wasn’t too overbearing of an old brother in my opinion and he was there when he needed to be. but you’re right, outside of shayla he had a shallow storyline. he’s not very involved in the books and that’s probably why
i don't know if anyone has said this yet, but in the book, belly explains that they called her belly because she rlly liked jelly belly jelly beans and everyday her dad or smth would ask how she was and she would explain her mood in different jelly bean flavors
Jeremiah kinda just started to like Belly randomly ? It felt like they had so much more chemistry as friends rather then lovers . Conrad was going through a lot and it’s mentioned multiple times that he isn’t usually like this and is more like what he was near the end of the season
in the pool scene he did say he’s liked her for a very long time but he knew she only liked conrad but he was done waiting around and wanted to shoot his shot
@@-starry-8569 ye like I was confused but I think the Pool scene kinda set my mind you know? But you are makin a point 100% it's was just SO random. Team Jelly because the ship name "Bonrad" sucks. NO HATE it doesn't mean I don't like Conrad!
I swear that scene with Steven yelling at Belly about hair and the drain and threatening to leave it on her pillow is so relatable because my mom did that to me one time. She literally entered my room and threw hair on me because of her annoyance of having my hair in the drain. I understood that. But other than that, I did get annoyed with Steven in the book and felt they made him a little better in the show. Team Cam/Belly and team Belly/Jeremiah baby. While I loved how they improved Conrad and gave him more depth, I really hated him with Belly. Super toxic. He was such a jerk to her and only confessed his feelings when she was with someone else, even his brother. Jeez.
if conrad had the slightest bit of decency and respect for belly's decision of choosing jeremiah, he wouldve stayed away and simply waited for jere to get back? jere has my entire heart ong that ending was a hate crime
I AM SO HAPPY! I’ve been waiting for your response on this. I read the books, and I was actually very happy with the adaption because there were new things to love.
Loved the show, I'm team Conrad personally 🤭 loved how Nicole called Belly out lol Belly needs to realize she's playing with alot of hearts. Ngl Belly was the most frustrating character for me lol but then I started thinking back to 16 year old me and I really started to love her. I realized I was being hypocritical when 16 year old me was pretty stupid 🤣 I think people are hating on Belly's character too much lol Yes, she led Cameron on which wasn't right, but I think people are forgetting she's BARELY 16. We all make stupid decisions and I can say right now that Isabel embodied the perfect teenager - selfish, insecure, indecisive, and impulsive. Belly clearly did like Cam, but she was also using him to move on from Conrad😅 like every other teenager however, she was also confusing her feelings. She even told her mom how she didn't feel sparks for Cam and needed advice. Belly was selfish at times, like how she kissed Jeremiah right after Conrad rejected her and how she never told Nicole that Conrad almost kissed her even tho she KNEW Nicole liked him 🥲 Nicole found out the hard way. I'm just glad Belly admitted to being selfish in ep 7 and hope she develops more as a character next season. I wanna see her show self restraint when it comes to Conrad and Jeremiah, ya know? See her be more accountable and less selfish. I loved Steven despite being a jerk 🤣 I actually loved how protective he was of Belly. I guess my point is that you gotta remember that these are TEENS, they're gonna make questionable choices like you did when you were a teen lol
I’d say she was still able to put people in their place (Conrad specifically) and I was surprised bc I lowkey wished I had her attitude at 15 lol but yea she didn’t bother me much actually, Conrad bothered me but at least he didn’t give me the ick like Jeremiah
I'm okay with books and movies portraying teenagers as making questionable choices, because like you said we all did that when we were teens, but what I'm not okay with is when the book or show doesn't show character growth. Belly never really came to a realization and was remorseful that she was playing with so many hearts. I would have respected her character a lot more had she been honest with the people around her instead of waiting for them to find out she was lying or hiding something, and then trying to seek forgiveness after she'd been caught. It's the lack of growth that makes me dislike her, and I agree with you that I hope she has better character development in the next season.
not going to lie sometimes this happens, you can be seen as "ugly" but when you make small changes and people see your body develop, they actually treat you different. I've personally dealt with that in high school, it's very weird.
I love that you did this show!!! All you're takes are valid (tho Im team conrad😤) and cam Cameron deserved better. My only issue with belly and Jeremiah was that it never seemed like belly was interested in him until he said he wanted to be more than friends. Which is what she later says to Nicole about Conrad (which was totally out of the blue for that conversation imo)
That was the point. She was never meant to be see Jeremiah that way bcuz of her strong feelings towards conrad. It was meant to be an unexpected thing for her. But later in episode six she starts to feel the possibly of something more. Jeremiah was the only one who was showing subtle signs of interest that went along with his natural flirty behavior
okay i haven’t finsihed this video yet but i love your thoughts so far. i think sort of the reason why that steven experiencing racism plotline was not developed was because it wasn’t in the book and so they really kinda had to finesse it. i really liked how jenny added some commentary on being asian and i really hope that gets fleshed out more, as you pointed out-it was definitely a missed opportunity!! as for belly and jere, one of my favorite things about the books (i’ve read all three) is the pacing. like belly doesn’t even LOOK at jere until the second book. So for jenny to speed up the process of thier relatioship was definitely a bold choice that’s gonna result in a LOT of changes to the second season so idk apart of me wishes she would have stayed a bit more true to the book but the show is great nonethless. so that’s why everything was messy (i think) cause the love triangle was suppose to be cam and conrad first and then jere😭 and i am a conrad stan so i’m definitely biased but he has a lot more depth than the “broody, moody” love interest, he’s actually a big nerd and matures a lot in the seires. i liked how they show put in emphasis on the tole keeping this secret was for his mental health cause it’s definitely a huge reason why he’s acting the way he is (even tho that doesn’t excuse it!!) at the end of the series it’s obvious that conrad just wants belly to be happy and i really liked that. he (imo) proves to be the more emotionally mature one, believe it or not, and jere just has a lot more growing up to do Chris briney said in an interview that he thinks one word to describe conrad is misunderstood and i think that’s rlly true!! he definitely makes mistakes and kissing belly (as much as i loved it) was not the move 😭 but i’m really excited to see how they develop Also i LOVE that jere is bi, i hope they explore that a lot more in season two. he is very much tho giving frat boy (and in the third book he literally is💀) so i find him annoying or just rlly corny at times😭 i guess most of my frustrations with the show come form the fact that if they stayed just a bit more true to the book than i feel like less messy-ness with belly and the boys would have happened but i digress some of the changes (like Lorel getting a whole plot line) we’re rlly good!! overall, i’m glad you liked the show and that so many people are loving it😌
Jeremiah definitely gives off those kind of vibes but honestly because he’s not like a total jerk this season and is incredibly sweet towards and friends and family I can get by it. Cause honestly there wasn’t one character on this show, including conrad, that I didn’t find cringy or annoying at times so I mostly blame that on the cheesy/cringy writing. Also, I appreciate that said that conrad issues weren’t an excuse for his actions! I see way too many conrad Stan’s saying it is and although I totally understand his reasonings it’s never ok to justly someone for treating people poorly. As for what you said about the pacing I HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE! It’s actually my least favorite part about this season since it caused such a messy ending. Like you said the kiss was cute but it wasn’t all that and put belly in a bad light since she just started something with Jeremiah.
@@laurentahuka5172 omg thanks sm for replying to my comment!! you r so right about the writing part. honestly the more time i think about this seires the more i just really hope belly gets a good plot line. i want her to realize that the fisher boys aren’t her entire world. cause they truly aren’t and when i get caught up in the escapism this show provides i tend to gloss over some of the messages this show could be sending. at this point i really am team belly as cheesy as that sounds-because i want her to exist beyond her love interests, ya know? i totally get your points about jere and to be completely transparent, i’m a lesbian and so i think i was drawn to conrad because he’s emotionally unavailable and because he’s fictional. So i’m definitely going easy on conrad but it for sure doesn’t excuse anything he did. in all honesty, if i met the fisher boys in real life i wouldn’t deal w their bs💀
@@evasage14 No you don’t sound cheesy at all with that reasoning. It’s a Vaild choice. I agree this show really makes those 3 characters in the triangle triangles never focus on anything else. Like I really hope we get something that really showcases them as character. Like get into Jeremiah and conrad with their father. Or even show more about Steven and college. Something that’s not a love plot. And yeah! Belly really is just the girl love interest but I feel like she can be so much more than that. AND SAME! Like realistically girl I would RUN! Like only thing I would be attracted to is their looks at that point and that ain’t enough so in all honesty I’m taking Cam Cameron haha.
no but i dont understand why they made nicole and other girls just leave Bailey and taylor at lake in the nighttime with no fucking clothes when it wasnt even baileys fault that conrad texted her and she didnt even knew that he did!! they couldve easily been kidnapped thats such an immature thing to do i hate that noone addresses it in the show. if i were bailey i wouldnt even speak another word to nicole not to the mention fucking apologize 💀
IKR but I was happy the show didn’t completely treat Nicole like a disposable black love interest. Conrad’s apology to her seemed to hold a lot of symbolic weight
Jeremiah deserve so much better. when you're 16 you don't have to settle for being the second option, specially for someone who wants to date your brother. I hope we get a second season and we can see Belly being aware of what she is doing. It would be one thing hooking up with these guy, it's another to engage in something romantic with someone who seems to like and care about you for a while but only doing it cause HIS BROTHER isn't available.
The last scene with Belly and Conrad was crazy , it didn't make any sense. Other than that a fun show , I expected it to be a shallow but it did have heart.
Okay first of I am team Conrad. Second of all Jeremiah only started to see Belly as more than a friend after she turned pretty. But Conrad has always been nice to her, cared about her and genuinely and connected with her (we can see all that from the throwback scenes) and he even got her that infinity necklace which shows how intentional he was about some of the moment he had with belly growing up. That’s why she had had a crush on him and not Jeremiah. And that was why right from the beginning of the series everyone was worried and shocked how he was acting cus that was not the Conrad they knew. His cold, mysterious and edginess wasn’t who he was and we got to know why he was that way.
When it comes to the brothers seeing her differently that’s literally the plot. It’s called, “The summer I turned pretty.” Yeah Conrad has always been known to include her and have a soft spot for her but as a little sister. He felt that way towards her. It was his job as the older brother to involve and take care of others like what his father said. However, he has always had a soft spot for her and it wasn’t till this summer that he saw he reacted to his emotions as he couldn’t express them due to being emotionally unavailable. As for Jeremiah, he’s also seen her as a best friend. They have a close relationship and he is good to her. Like there were some flashbacks cut from book one that were important to highlight just as much has the flashbacks of her and conrad. Although, with him he could express his feelings besides his subtle hints and flirting towards her in the beginning of the season. And like jere said in the pool it’s because she always was interested in Conrad so he never felt seen that way with her. And then cam also showed up. Belly never saw him as more than a best friend which he is to her and she knows that. Imo both had different love/perspectives of her that contribute to the different love stories each boy represents.
In the book Jeremiah always had a crush on her since childhood but he knew he never really had a chance bc of Conrad that’s why after she told him she didn’t feel that way he let her go
@@laurentahuka5172 bestfriend but in a sister way too. Susannah knows her sons better than anyone. Just bestfriends is what Taylor and Belly and Steven and jeremiah are.
Conrad was standoffish and cold the whole time because he's known that his mom was sick since April -- they make that pretty clear in the show. They also make a point to show that he was fun and nice during previous summers with the flashbacks, that's why everyone keeps being like "what's wrong with him" this summer.
I just watched the show, cuz im bored and all of my shows are ending, and I can say without a DOUBT that I am team Jeremiah. The second I saw Jeremiah after Belly got out of that car (even before ik which one was Jere and which one was Conrad) I was just drawn to Jere. And the more I watched, the more I loved Jere (which broke my heart cuz i just knew that she was gonna end up wit Conrad🤦🏽♀) Like i get that he was going through some shit, but he was still just such an asshole, while Jere was always so nice to Belly. Like at the bonfire when he was the only one who welcomed her. And some people said that Jere's crush on Belly seemed random, but not for me, I could tell early on that he had a crush on Belly, and also, when he admitted it to her in the pool, he confirmed that he had a crush on her for a while, not just this summer, cuz he said that "There was Conrad and then THIS SUMMER it was Cam" meaning before this summer, he liked her. He didn't just start to like her after her glow-up, whereas Conrad basically admitted to Cleveland that he didn't start thinking of Belly that way until recently "To me, she was just this little girl, now she's not" obviously referring to her glowup. Like whenever Cam would be in front of her and she just continued to pin for Conrad, even tho he had been nothing but an asshole to her, it just made me so angry. Plus, let's not forget how BADLY Conrad treated Nicole. Like yes, Belly also kinda led Cam on, but at least she almost immediately broke it off with him after her and Conrad had a moment, but meanwhile Conrad was still leading on Nicole, and it only ended after Nicole saw Conrad's text to Belly saying how he really wanted to take her to the deb ball. Like Taylor said it the best, Conrad is cute and mysterious but Belly too easily forgets all of the shit that he has pulled with her, and meanwhile there was Jere "the emotionally available, fun, sweet and better-looking brother" at her feet. And she really likes Jere too, she said that when she kissed Jere, it was real. Belly does have strong feelings for Jere, but she just couldn't get over Conrad for god knows why😒. It is kinda similar to Ben and Devi from NHIE. A lot of people overlook all of the shit that Ben has done to Devi and other people just because he's nice to her now. Like just because he does a few nice things, that shouldn't cause you to overlook every awful thing that he has done....sorry for this long essay, but yeah TEAM JEREMIAH TEAM JELLY FOR LIFE💕🫶🏽🤭
as a book girlie- I'm team Conrad by default- but I will say that show Jeremiah is a lot better than book Jeremiah so far and seems to really care about belly vs. his motivation to win her in the book. You also made some very valid points
Okay… but in the first book it wasn’t this messy :/ and they did Conrad SO dirty, like if I would’ve have just watched the show I would NEVER be team Conrad. PLEASE read the books, they’re so good!!!!!!!
I agree, I liked how things went down in the book (the first one), definitely not as messy as the show lol but I think that Conrad from the book is kinda worse than the Conrad from the show, so I don't think they did him that dirty, in the book he spends all summer with the boys, acting as if he knew better, Nicole wasn't even in the picture that much and basically ignoring Belly, he even forgot her birthday for real and never gave her a neckless and when Belly confessed him her feelings for him he was so bad and stubborn, literally denying it and not admitting to feel something for her as well, I really wanted to see the bros fight in the show, exactly as it was described in the book, cause it was so good, actually there are a lot of scenes from the show that I wanted to be exactly like in the book but oh well, Miss Jenny approved it so whatever!
I just gotta say am I the only one who thought the beach scene between Belly and Conrad literally came out of nowhere?? Like a full 180, idk it's been a minute since I've seen the last episode, but I just remember blinking and all of a sudden, they're on the beach when the whole last 2 episodes was Belly basically saying, "I know Jeremiah was the better choice." and then boom Conrad's there
YESSSSSSS I agree Jere was the better option, idc y'all can fight me, the end had me pissed for days , Jere literally deserved better idc I agree with everything you said , every single thing well except Steven , I kinda liked steven 🤧 but yeahh literally said everything that was on my mind!!! Edit: Yeah I went in thinking I was gonna hate it and it was gonna be as cringe as Ginny and Georgia but it was actually quite refreshing to me
this video motivated me to finish the show, and I'm glad that we're talking about Conrad because he was very obviously not the right choice. Belly literally tells Nicole that he only likes belly because she likes him, and then turns around and gets with him? also he was nothing but rude to her all season until the volleyball tournament, and it just makes no sense to me how she can go "oh my crush is completely gone and I'm in love with his brother," to kissing him at the end of the season.
The series is good, with excellent actors. I'm pretty ok Gavin is really talented , he was just "waw" in the last episode! But Something bothered me: I hate the idea that a girl has to end up with her first love even if he acts like a complete asshole most of the time. Even though Conrad went through tough times, he didn't have to act like a jerk most of the time. It makes me laugh because I must say that Chris is so talented too because he made me hate the character of Conrad 🤣. Yes I hate people who play with other people's feelings and that's what Conrad does in Jenny's novels and in the TV show : He's the bad boy with a big heart.....lol .
This right here !!! Even to add onto that, the first love always is the mysterious brooding type and I am so sick of that being mistaken as attractive. I want a new narrative where the guy that puts in effort, shows they care, and would most likely be the better boyfriend is chosen over the mysterious guy who think glancing at a girl multiple times shows that he likes her 🤦🏿♀️
@@TarynEliseee Fully agree. If Jenny wants to upgrade her romances to the TV series, she should go beyond the poor clichés of brooding mysterious type = attractive boy. For once, don't let the boy own the girl. show us that he deserves her by taking care of her and cherishing her
Honestly hated conrad. He was so annoying and actually needs therapy or something. Jeremiah was so much more respectful and caring. He deserved so much better
Steven got this Asian Korean culture of "I'm the Big Brother," and I will protect and always see my sister as my baby sister. Spot on review, especially on Jeremia's slight manipulative touch with the firecracker moment
STEVEN WAS SO ANNOYING OMG! There were definitely parts when I liked him and he’s super cute but I could not stand how he treated belly 99% of the time
I only have to say one thing:
Cam Cameron deserved better and it’s a fact.
Facts. So glad he got out of that drama tbh.
YESSSSS HES AAMZING FR
periodt. he was so nice and i am happy he got out of this messy drama and i hate that belly led him on knowing that he wasnt the one she really really liked
Yess my poor dulce amor Cam Cameron
Aww baby Cam Cameron.
Also the fact belly Apologize to Nicole baffled me because she’s better than me because I will have not sat there and apologizes to someone that left me I could possibly get kidnapped or something
@Gloriellee X they could’ve got kidnapped when Nicole left her and Taylor at the lake by themselves at night and they had a walk themselves with no clothes
That's a fair point because that was a messed up thing to do to them (especially because these girls are underaged for one and secondly the freaks come out at night) so they could've gotten snatched up and before you know it we're watching Taken: The Series.
At least be a lady and talk one-on-one on how shady Belly was being, which they did later but still.
@@valeriemanful2507 PLUS it's not her fault conrad texted her that! Nicole punished her and taylor for something she didn't even know about yet at that point, it was totally uncool/immature
No seriously!
@@KC-ep6sg I’m not excusing Nicole at all for that but I don’t think she was mad at Belly for this one text message. By this time of the show Belly & Nicole had several conversations about Conrad. Nicole has asked her like at least twice if she had anything going on with the brothers more specifically Conrad and she denied. Not even mentioning her crush or anything. Nicole whose also friends with Belly now has complained to the girls and Belly about Conrad not texting her back and him being stand offish. Even though Conrad is at blame for cheating and messing around with two girls I’d also understand why she’d be pissed at Belly because this girl whose supposedly my friend who’d listen to me talk about me and my bf having problems obviously has something going on if I kind of noticed it beforehand and then he texts her this type of stuff.
one thing i hated was the fact that people always say conrad’s mom is dying like it’s not jeremiah’s mom too. he asked conrad several times if something was wrong with susannah and all he did was keep jere in the dark. LIKE WTF
To make matters worse Jere and Conrad both knew the entire time in the books and Belly and Steven didn’t even notice anything was wrong because they said that Conrad had always been a jerk
I mean it wasn’t Conrad’s place to air out Susannah’s info he knew that she would tell them when she’s ready and like telling someone else is like confirming your mom is dying which he didn’t want to do I guess
Because he was protecting him and honouring Susannah's wish... like did you guys read the books at all?
@@rileylarch5417 right i wish they would’ve kept it that way in the show instead of changing it
@@stephanya8019 that does make sense and i can only imagine how that must’ve felt for him
I know Miss Belly was having her Hot Girl Summer but first of all JUSTICE FOR CAM CAMERON. Okay so, I knew from the very beginning that she was gonna end up with Conrad (I didn't have to read the book to know this). It felt like a "hurry up and get to the point" because the whole time I was just waiting for her to end up with him. THEN the fact that Conrad had a whole ass girl he was seeing and Belly still trying to be all friendly with Nicole felt really off to me, it made it hard for me to like the main character and feel some kind of connection with her. Then the fact that she ended up kissing AND letting Jeremiah cop a feel and STILL ended up being with Conrad by the end of the show and we don't even see how this affected Jeremiah???? Like, y'all some shady ass people for doing all of that.
Like, I understand being unsure and all that but Belly, babe...you gotta do better. Plus Conrad gives off emotional manipulator vibessss.
And Shayla, baby girl, you need to run as far as away as you can from Steven. The fact that the very first moment he felt "insecure" in the relationship he ran off and made out with Belly's friend??? And wasn't even going to tell her AFTER the fact until Belly said something?? JAIL. Like what the freak? AND THEN he's over here gambling all his money away just to fit in with the rich kids?? RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG.
I loved and hated this show, I stayed for Jeremiah and Cam Cameron.
no because CAM CAMERON WAS THE BEST CHOICE🙄
i think one of the reasons why nicoles relatioship w belly was a bit underdevopled was becuase she was very much so made out to be a bit of a b*tch in the book and jenny toke a much more friendly, “girls supporting girls’ narrative which i totally love!!and so i’d like to think belly was genuine in her friendship with nicole and wasn’t having this alterior motive but idk
also i get why so many people love jere but i’m a conrad girl through and through😩
also i LOVE shayla but i truly think taylor and steven are a better match. Regardless, i’m really hoping she’s still in the show regardless of her relationship status.
i think overall every boy in this series besides cam was emotionally immature (which is to be expected) but damn i hope cam is living his best life
I couldn't get behind Jeremiah bc the actor who they cast looked way too much like a TikTok/hypehouse type for me to take him seriously at all, but JUSTICE FOR CAM CAMERON!!!
@@KC-ep6sg he is a tiktoker haha
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID!
no cause you spilled the tea on how I felt about the whole Jeremiah and Belly situation!!! Like he just found out his mom was sick again to come see the girl he loves with his brother (who he has always been second to)? Dude it was cruel lmaooo. I'M FOREVER TEAM JEREMIAH AND YES I DID READ THE BOOKS
THIS RIGHT HERE!! You mean to tell me that nobody bothered to look for him?? I haven't even read the books and I'm team Jeremiah all day. I've been seeing people say that Belly chose right in book 1 but I'm like shoot if I was Jeremiah I would be mad too if I got shaded by the girl I liked AND my brother at the same time?? Like, I'm sorry but Belly and Conrad both deserve each other because they are messy af.
@@therealkimwells wait. So true! Like cam Cameron and Jeremiah deserve better tbh. And right!? Like why did not ONE person go and look for him. Like it didn’t have be the moms but even belly’s dad would have been enough. The fact that they used Jeremiah finding out about his moms cancer and an opportunity to have a romantic conrad and belly moment doesn’t sit right with me. It like proves his being used for plot purposes. (Although I can’t lie I love the taylor swift scene)
I FELT SO BAD FOR HIM! Like the pain her felt waking in and seeing that was so bad. Especially when he found out his brother never told him which he had the right to be upset about
you can feel sorry for him but thinking he and belly would work? never lol
@@maduuuuuuuuuuu yk never know? It might work
Thank you! As Nicole said, Belly was a F-girl. She played with so many hearts. Couldn't get behind her cheating on Jer when she called out her friend and brother for cheating on Shayla. They should have not let Belly and Conrad kiss on the last episode. They should have left it as a confession if they want, but make it bitter-sweet, like bread crumbs for the future season.
THANK YOU SOMEONE SAID IT
i also didn’t like the fact that they used jeremiah crying over his mum having cancer as an opportunity for belly and conrad to have a romantic dance. also why did no one look for jere?
shes not a likable character
I definitely agree with some of the points Imurgency brought up! But, I do wish shows would start understanding and realizing that women/men/people can be attractive with glasses and braces and why does removing them suddenly make them “pretty”.
Agreed 100%
For sure- that was something from the book that didn't age well. I remember that being an insecure of mine growing up because it was a trope I constantly saw in books/movies, and I did read this book back in middle school 😞
THANK YOU! I literally wear glasses and braces right now and I'm really tired of seeing the narrative portrays someone being unattractive just for having those. I was pretty turned off by the show/book because it really displayed imperfection beings synonymous with unattractiveness. It rubbed me the wrong way. But then I was told this book came in the early 2010s so it made sense considering the toxic tropes that resides within the series but it still doesn't make it right though. Like you said why did her braces and glasses need to be removed in order for her to "turn pretty". And notice how all of a sudden she started getting boys left and right because of that. Like what if she didn't get her braces off and contact until later in life. Would they have still confessed their love to her? Doesn't make any sense.
exactly. i mean i wear both and it doesn’t really help my already low self-esteem when it’s portrayed like that lmao
Personal opinion here, but I feel like these things doesn't necessary mean you were ugly. I think it was more of a way to portrait going through certain changes, which most of us do. Getting braces or wearing glasses helps our health and not only that, but it brings out our feautures that does not mean necessary that you are ugly, but in a way is working towards the goal of ideal symmetry, which we as humans like much more. I watched this explained somewhere scientifically. So it's not about uglyness, but more about bringing out attractiveness I feel. Attractiveness = symmetry . It is a whole another discussion how we treat people who do not fit the standart. We have the facts, but that doesn't mean you can be rude towards someone just because they do not fit your standarts. ❤❤
I’ve been looking forward to this video and you did not disappoint. You never do. Your takes are always *chefs kiss*. Also hell yes to being Team Jeremiah. The author making him bisexual in the show is the best change she could’ve made.
Just shows why he is the perfect fit. He's open-minded and has no drama. Even the boys said going to the party wont be fun w/o him.
bro he was bi in the books too
"Belly" is a no, but when Jeremiah calls her "Bells".... i can't take it. my heart. my heart!
I do think that Conrad actually knew or at least suspected that his mom was sick again from the beginning.
he knew
Didn't he also know that his dad cheated on his mom?
i think he knew everything!
we know that he knew lmao
@@AMariana That's a lot for a 17-year-old to keep to themselves. I would have been having panic attacks too!
I hated the name Belly too 🤣 I loved Cam and Jeremiah. Hated Conrad. I don't get the appeal. I'm sorry why do we hate Shayla. I loved her. Her outfits were always on point and she was so confident. I can't fathom why anyone would dislike her. I also love the mom's friendship the episode when they got high was so funny and fun. Lastly the aesthetic of the show is so beautiful.
I love shayla she is one of my favorites. I actually loved her more than conrad ngl haha. She delt with Stevens shit and was incredibly patient and caring to people. She didn’t even react negatively towards Taylor when she met her. The only crime she ever committed was wearing whatever that dress was at the deb ball.
I found Shayla too diva-ish and stuck-up at first but she grew on me after a while
read the books
you just simply voiced my opinion
@@laurentahuka5172 lol I had to look up the dress because I couldn't remember what she wore 😂
I feel like most people who are like oh Jeremiah’s feelings came out of nowhere on the show doesn’t realize that everything is seen through Belly’s lens, which would make anything Conrad do seem rose coloured and anything Jeremiah do seem nonchalant and friendly.
That's true, but that also shows that Belly's feelings came out of nowhere.
She showed no interest until Jeremiah told her he wanted more than friendship and although she was in love with Conrad at the time she was just like... "yeah, okay. Why not?" which seemed so weird since she hadn't been into him at all until that moment.
I also feel that is some the of the flash backs he is REALLY looking at her with those eyes 👀 you know
Can we plz talk about Taylor. Like i low key loved her. She’s honestly a real ass friend and I don’t blame her for hooking up with Steven cuz I could honestly see them together. I just love how Taylor was always there to help Belly come out of her shell and truly have a hot girl summer. I wasn’t sure if she was a toxic friend at the beginning just cuz she got really jealous when she found out about Belly’s new deb friends but I still loved her
Yesss I love Taylor too and absolute queen Like she made some mistakes but she was always there for belly
it's been months and it still baffles me how by the end of the season, she's one of the few people that saw and called out Conrad's bullshit treatment towards Belly even right from the beginning.
In the books she was a lot more toxic (trying to steal belly's crush etc.) But i absolutely loveee her character in the show!!
The fact that the name "Cam Cameron" will forever be a thing now. Jeremiah is so evil for that.🤣🤣🤣🤣
idk im fond of it now😂
I am thinking that Cam Cameron is definitely John Ambrose’s son
girl you did not have to say this 🤣🤣
Bro so true
Jer was the star of this show. He ate and left no crumbs.
ate with his cringey lines and ickiness
@@liyana3781 exactly
Yesss
@@liyana3781 omg right.
@@liyana3781ringey lines ur so right
Honestly, what I don't like about this show (and a lot of other romance shows and books) is that the main character always ends up with their first love no matter how awful they are together. Conrad only really took notice of belly when she had her 'glow up' . And this might just be me but I don't think Belly was ever actually in love with Conrad. I feel like she idolised him because he was the oldest person in the group and after that she kind of just fell for the idea of him. Might just be how I perceived though.
EXACTLY.
@@swastikafulari6 I'm going mainly off of the books, and the books left a lot of this kind of stuff to your own personal perception of it. They changed a lot of scenes in the show to make Conrad seem more favourable which I think is actually good because if you're going to make them end up together, might as well make them less toxic
Exactly, like we never even see why she is so in love with him other than she saying that she always have a crush on him!!
@@swastikafulari6 he didn’t even gave her the infinity necklace to begin with, she found it herself in a drawer full of condoms! Who cares about the Taylor swift songs, lol. It’s not like he dedicated those songs to her. A crush is one thing and another is being in love with someone. He teaching her dance? Jeremiah was teaching her how to drive and that doesn’t mean anything.
Exactly
I still can't get over the nickname "Belly", there was so many others to chose from. If this was explained in the books that I did not read, or in a scene from the show that I either forgot or didn't watch, pleaseeeee tell me.
in the books she loved “jelly belly” candies & it was touched on in the books how much she loved junk food/candy. in my head its still not justification for that dumb nickname😅
THANK YOU!!! literally the worst nickname EVER
@@alexist8136 thanks.
Belly is a horrendous name
& her name is Isabella. So perhaps that's where belly came from too. I agree though. Bad choice 😂
I LOVED the way the parents were portrayed in this show. It was something that really stood out to me.
Team Jelly! After Conrad just ignored Belly for the first 3 episodes, I was absolutely rooting for Jeremiah. Plus he's better looking anyway.
@@Itzezyyyy nah y’all gotta stop with that „hot mysterie guy thing“ that not cute anymore like grow up his character made him look trash, and conrad is open minded and is not scared to try something new! And his character is so interesting and made him awesome
Ok I agree ab the mysterious heartless guy thing being overdone but let’s not bring the actors’ looks into it
@@dioniiidlm1787 we're you meant to say Jeremiah on the open minded part? Lol-
YA IKR
@@dioniiidlm1787exactly it’s toxic as hell
YES! I LOVED this show! The cast, the soundtrack, everything. Team Jeremiah, though bc the vibe was always there. Conrad too moody for me. Okay, now on to the video, lmao. Hey, Imurgency, my thick eyebrow king💛💛 p.s lets not skip over those girls leaving underage girls at at a lake at night
Yeah I’m here for Jeremiah as well because i could tell from episode one that he wanted to be with Belly and was subtle in showing interest from the very beginning. Had Conrad been more upfront Jeremiah wouldn’t have happened. Also justice for Cam, too nice and cool to be dismissed so fast.
I have to disagree with the soundtrack part. I haven't seen anybody talk about this, but a lot of the songs felt completely out of place. I think that certain ones were just added in because they were really popular, and adding in already popular music is an easier way to impress an audience than adding in songs that really fit. Stranger things for example adds in Running Up that Hill by Kate Bush, and the song got really popular after it was showcased in the show. The meaning of the song fit the scene, the song itself was really good, and it wasn't just a cheap shot to get praise from watchers. 1 Step Forward 3 Steps back being in the scene where belly was excitedly texting her best friend about having her first kiss made no sense to me. Why have a song about a toxic relationship when we see Belly happy to begin a new one, Conrad vuberably worrying for his mom, and Laurel learning about Boston or whatever her author boyfriend’s name was.
@@kimsidyrobes8757 it’s not that deep.
@@jessinthecomments cam cameron is that dude. Fruit roll ups n all💚
@@kimsidyrobes8757 i get what u mean. But i liked it bc of how unexpected it was as well. So it was kinda refreshing bc it felt modern. Not too fictionalized with a dreamy/ perfect soundtrack match.
As someone who read the books and likes Jere more it's nice to see someone else bring up all the reasons why I think Jere is the better choice. That said, I'm not team Jere, but really it's just because I know Belly doesn't like him like that. Not team Conrad either for the same reasons you said. I feel like a lot of team Conrad people get hung up on all the things he did. I mean they were cute but nothing crazy. Also, he shouldn't get a pass for playing with her feelings because he's going through something hard. Yeah Jeremiah was a bit cringy and did some petty things to get between Conrad and Belly. I would still take him over emotionally unavailable Conrad.
I have not watched the show yet, but how TF do we all like Belly? She did my boy Jere dirty. AND Cam. I never found her likable reading the books. I honestly would have liked the story from Jere pov
I agree so much. I don’t think she likes Jeremiah like that at all I think what it is, is that she wanted to be with one of the brothers or something (not saying this is true but I do remember her stating something like Susannah said that Bella would get with married to one of her sons and I think she says herself it will be one of them I don’t remember fully) or that she was just tryna get back at Conrad or something cus it really made no sense Jeremiah starts liking her out of nowhere and then confesses his love and then all of a sudden Isabel likes him and wants to be with him? I didn’t really get it bc she showed no signs of liking him or wanting him before so it really didn’t add up to me. I’m also team neither I think Jeremiah and belly are better off as friends I think they are all
It's true that he's not emotionally available but one day he will be and we know Belly loves him like no one else. And the problem isn't that one part of Belly will always love Conrad but the fact the she will always want him. I like Jeremiah, though book 3, I think he made a mistake but still don't think he has that deep connection with Belly.
Alright just finished the show and conrad was giving us NOTHING there was no PASSION or LOVE or WANT, it was just “I do want you🙂” and that was IT?!
it's rlly funny coming from trin's video where she absolutely hated jere and loved conrad to this video where it's the opposite LOL
i was team jere after first watch and team conrad in the second watch, so I really see both sides
BUT CAM CAMERON WAS THE REAL WINNER IN MY HEART
SAME HERE!
I think that I would like Conrad’s character more if his broodiness and misery wasn't so emphasized or as forced. I remember a scene in this show where he was chucking corn angrily and I was like wth, who’s sad when they're chucking corn? Everytime he appeared on my screen, he was always frowning or dramatically staring at Belly from across the room, and I was just over it. I do feel bad for him, and I think the reason he falls a little flat is that there is no narration of Belly’s thoughts like there is in the book. When she's staring at him in the show, the audience sees just that. (and we see it over and over again throughout the series) In the book, it's more focused on what she's feeling for him in that specific moment. I digress. What I'm really trying to say is that people like you and I just aren't here for his negativity. (especially when it's not presented with comedy or sarcasm) Because Conrad is ALWAYS seen as this miserable guy, his random jokes and smiles feel completely out of character. I was watching this show with my cousin and when he finally came around (started being tolerable to Belly and cracking jokes) by episode four, we were just more confused than anything. I was like, “Cool, I'm glad that you're happy, but I've had so many happy scenes of Jeremiah; it's a little late for you to completely switch up now.
frrr. this is why i’m team jeremiah
FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT HOW ABSOLUTELY STUNNING NICOLE IS
The show is so wholesome, simple and picturesque compared to most teen shows these days (often supernatural or murder related). It reminds me of Dawson's Creek and Gilmore Girls. So sweet and idealistic, even if it's not perfect.
A big reason why I’m not team Conrad is bc it’s so PREDICTABLE. As soon as the crush is established you know “oh yeah they’re endgame.” Like, can we subvert expectations maybe??
"i did not care for conrad" bestie thats an understatement
I was suprised by how much I liked it too because I expected same old same old cheesy teen drama wattpad realness which is somewhat what it is but I think I was taken away by the fun summery vibes, the character's personalities, how they interacted with eachother, and their strong friendship family bonds. What I disliked was 1. the way belly led Cam cameron (loved him!) and jeremiah (loved him as well! Even though he acted and looked like a sway house or hype house tiktok fboy sometimes😭) whenever Conrad wouldn't give her the time of day y'know? Like why would you pursue other relationships when you KNOW you're still hooked up on your bestfriend you've known for years??!! And 2. I hated how much they felt the need to emphasize how Conrad and Belly were soulmates especially with the moms like Susannah saying how she knew belly was meant to be with one of her sons since like her birth??! or how laurel said Conrad is like the sun that Belly orbits LIKE DANG i get it!! It's like I didn't have a choice but to ship them y'know? Like I wanted them to get together so everyone would shut up about it and they would stop leading people like Cam and Nicole on further. I like Jeremiah's character a lot mostly because I think I first viewed him as a lovable fun flirty supportive bestfriend for belly and nothing else more in the beginning. I was suprised when he started to show obvious signs of jealously. But I still ship Belly with Conrad because I think it would be unfair to ship Jer with someone who considers and treats him as a second choice. It would be terrible for Belly to like Conrad for so many years then switch up and settle for his brother. I also thought that Jeremeiah and Steven had more chemistry and I almost thought they might experiment in that area LMAO.
I agree with everything you said! Like I literally found almost every character more likable than conrad to me. And that very much includes cam and Jeremiah just because I think they deserve a lot better than his Belly is treating them and becuz they have more loveable, fun, and caring personality’s imo. And I didn’t think anyone else felt the same why I did about them so strongly expressing the soulmate chemistry between conrad and belly. Like you said, I feel so forced to ship it even though to me they were done so dirty and both characters I see to be very problematic. Like honestly is what happened in book three never happened and I didn’t know they’re supposed to be endgame I would 100% be fully team Jeremiah. But I honestly ship cam and him more bcuz they have chemistry in her bday episode 👀. But yes I totally believe the same with the last part that you said. It wouldn’t be fair to either of them,
The concept of Belly 'orbiting' around Conrad like the sun feels low-key icky to me. I can't explain it but it sounds like he will always be the center of her world without taking her into consideration
Yes jeremiah and steven omg i wish
If belly hadn’t told us she had a crush on Conrad I swear I could have thought Jeremiah was the main hero( best friends to lovers sought of situation) otherwise I was team Jeremiah all the way. Conrad was a ehhh” for me, baby Jeremiah 😂 was always there for belly, always complimenting her and lifting her spirit while Conrad was 🙃 Team Jelly!!
I love this series. I just started watching it as season 2 was just released. It’s so different from other teen dramas trying to sexualize teens.
YES I just watched Trin's reaction and now THIS?!?! you two are making my evening
omg me too!
Watched this first then Trin☺️
When I saw the trailer I was like "cute little Wattpad" but I just watched ep 1 one after seeing the part of your title that says it's good. I'm not really into romance but I was surprised when ep 1 was finished. You know it's good when you're so invested that you're not even checking the time. Gonna finished them I'll watch this vid.
I watched this show with my mom and brother and all they had to contribute was that Belly and Jeremiah were fast which took me out
plsssss
@@imuRgency omg the emoji 😀
Almost done with this toxic show but justice for cam Cameron and Nicole, both treated like shit 😭
Yeap…justice for them!! Both fell for cheaters!!
I think Minnie was the best actor on the show. Acting is not only over dramatic scenes. It is nuance and the ability to show a range of emotions. I saw it in Minnie’s face. Anyone can use fake tears to do a crying scene. I feel Minnie will go on to do bigger things.
I’m not gonna lie unpopular opinion I like the story with the two moms more than I liked belly story with everybody else
Interesting sometimes belly was just Was just too messy
tbh the main reason i'm still team conrad is bc jeremiah being romantically interested in belly appeared out of no where. like the way the show was filmed with the flashback scenes made it seem like conrad always cared for belly in a more romantic way, and that he always cared for her more in general - i do feel but for jeremiah though, he deserves better
Yep same for me. A lot of people in the comment section and dragging Conrad through the mud because of the way he treated belly during the summer so I understand why they wouldn't want him to be with belly but not to the point where I'd rather her be with Jer. Sure he was nice but throughout the show, he was shown to be very fickle and shallow when it came to his romantic interests whereas belly is clearly looking for something more organic and genuine with someone like Conrad who was shown through the flashbacks to have always gone out of his way to please Belly whilst the other boys were dismissive of her apart.
Yup I completely agree
thank you for articulating my Jelly feelings! Jeremiah was obvi so much better. hated the very end with Conrad 😭
Best guys on the show:
1. Cam Cameron
2. Jeremiah
3. Steven
4. Conrad
MY HOT TAKES:
1. Cam Cameron deserved so much better. He was the best, sweetest boyfriend anyone could ever ask for. When he said that he knew that their breakup would happen, my heart literally broke. Poor Cam 🥺
2. TEAM JELLYFISHER ALL THE WAY. Jeremiah is so much better (and hotter) than Conrad. He is so hilarious, kind and caring. Like, how could Belly (which is a ridiculous nickname) leave Jere for CONRAD? (No hate for Team Conrad fans but I'm sorry, Team Jere is better. 🤷♀)
3. *CONTAINS A SPOILER* Look, I used to like Steven the whole show until I watched Season 2's trailer. STEVEN ENDS UP WITH TAYLOR. Like, WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL. Poor Shayla. I really loved Shayla (though I have no idea who she could forgive Steven for cheating, I wouldn't have bc once you're a cheater, you'll always be a cheater).
That's it. I know I'm LATE BUT YK (I just watched it last week lmao)
Read the book ages ago and really liked it but I was scared to watch the show and think it was juvenile. So glad that they didn't make it feel too PG-13 and childish. Conrad is obviously endgame but I love Jeremiah with my whole heart! Much more messiness to come
YES YES YES. TEAM JEREMIAH! honestly though i dont even want jeremiah to end up with belly cause i mean she will always have feelings for conrad and that is not fair to my man jeremiah. i need jeremiah to get a nice bf or something in season 2.
YES EXACTLY! Team Jeremiah only for him to find HIS true person. I honestly want him to have a BF. Like cam Cameron an him I can so see imo
i wish the show played in more on jeremiah and belly’s friendship, bc in the book they’d have flashbacks of them as kids and how they were best friends
yeah, they surely should have
So basically there’s a difference in the books. They changed some things. In the show I am 100% team Jeremiah but in the books, I’m team Conrad. They just switched the characters a bit and it made it different. I liked what they did though bc Jere’s character in the show is just perfection
Hello you tell me what’s Conrad like in the book?
@@elvi3372 in the books, belly’s and Conrad’s connection is just better and Jeremiah and belly’s connection is worse. In my opinion, Conrad is a little nicer in the books and its clear that he has loved belly since they were younger. With Jere, they don’t have as good as a connection. Belly doesn’t like Jere back in the first book and they don’t even end up kissing, Belly turns him down because in the books it seems like Jere only ever showed interest to her when she turned pretty. I recommend you read the books if u can, they are a little different. Steven’s not even in like half of the book and the deb ball is not a thing but I liked how they added that to the show.
I was Team Jeremiah. I read the books and hated what Jenny Han did to Jeremiah in the last book but even then it didn’t seem like something Jeremiah would do and even then I was Team Jeremiah. The second book where we hear things from his perspective. He was just so much more emotionally available than Conrad. In contrast to what others said, I did see that Jeremiah liked Belly before episode 5 of the show. He was clearly jealous of Cam and only came around to liking him once he got to know him and see how well he was treating Belly. He was there for her the entire time Conrad was hot and cold and treated her like shit. Jeremiah was SO FUN, always in a good mood and cheering Belly up and healthy in how he told Belly he liked her and then waited for her to come to him (“ I would like to eventually talk about what happened the other night”). You could also see that Jeremiah liked Belly when Taylor said that it was time Belly looked at someone else and not Conrad and the look on his face gave it away that he liked her. I did not like the ending of the show. It seemed sudden and I was so so Team Jeremiah by the end of the show that I didn’t like belly ending up with Conrad.
Also, the actor that plays Jeremiah is so charming that it is really hard not to root for him.
I can’t wait for your review on s2😂😂 your love for Jere is everything
Im team conrad even tho i have no intention of watching it but jeremiah needs someone better than belly (me) but anyways
the (me) is crazy LMFAOAOAO
This is so real
Ikr I kind of don’t even want Belly to end up with Jeremiah cuz he deserves better. Conrad and Belly r both messed up and toy around with everyone’s emotions so they deserve each other.
@@guesswho5314 Preach
Love that you spoke about the "parent representation" cz I loooveddddd that the movie scenes were so well-made
I honestly really liked this series, like A LOT. I'm team Jeremiah for sure, but we all know she's to choose Conrad. I liked his mysterious vibe at first, but then it just because boring and dry. As for the brother, he pisses me off too! Like why did he care so much about Belly's love life. It was far more than protective, which I felt was quite weird. I loved the mom's, and how they had differences yet were so close was so cute! When I'm older I want to have a friend like Susanna. Belly's friend Taylor, made me mad at sometimes but nothing compares to Belly's new friends. Leaving them there without clothes or a car? Hell no. Not to mention, Belly didn't even know Conrad texted her. I can't believe Belly apologized to Nichole. Oh and Cam Cameron, such a kind soul. I felt so bad for him because you could see how his character really liked Belly. Anyways, my only other thing that I must talk about is how Belly only got "pretty" once she didn't have braces, glasses, short hair, etc. As a person who has braces, it's sad to see a show portray that when you have that "unpretty" thing! I wish they would've used something else, but maybe that's just me. Thank you sm for reading this!!
I read the books and watch the show and honestly I hate storylines and tropes when two siblings are in love with the same person especially when it will affect their relationship as siblings
i agree that the trope of getting your braces off then suddenly being ✨beautiful✨ is old but it’s also… accurate lol. i didn’t start getting attention until my braces were off! and in hindsight that’s weird.
also, i know it’s justice for cam cameron cause he’s such a nice guy, belly is 16. while i ended up marrying a really good guy, i dated emotionally unavailable guys, guys that were my best friends, i wasn’t thinking about who was best for me at 16. i was thinking about who gave me that “burning passion” lmao. we tend to forget in shows and books, even movies that the young characters are just that. young and confused and experiencing love for the first time.
unpopular opinion, i liked steven. he wasn’t too overbearing of an old brother in my opinion and he was there when he needed to be. but you’re right, outside of shayla he had a shallow storyline. he’s not very involved in the books and that’s probably why
Thought it was “Billy” for the whole first episode 😂😭 but I kind of LOVE the belly nickname although it took a minute to get use too.
i don't know if anyone has said this yet, but in the book, belly explains that they called her belly because she rlly liked jelly belly jelly beans and everyday her dad or smth would ask how she was and she would explain her mood in different jelly bean flavors
Jeremiah kinda just started to like Belly randomly ? It felt like they had so much more chemistry as friends rather then lovers . Conrad was going through a lot and it’s mentioned multiple times that he isn’t usually like this and is more like what he was near the end of the season
in the pool scene he did say he’s liked her for a very long time but he knew she only liked conrad but he was done waiting around and wanted to shoot his shot
@@kathatesthis1422 oh yeah I forgot about that , it still came off kinda random though
@@-starry-8569 ye like I was confused but I think the Pool scene kinda set my mind you know? But you are makin a point 100% it's was just SO random. Team Jelly because the ship name "Bonrad" sucks. NO HATE it doesn't mean I don't like Conrad!
I swear that scene with Steven yelling at Belly about hair and the drain and threatening to leave it on her pillow is so relatable because my mom did that to me one time. She literally entered my room and threw hair on me because of her annoyance of having my hair in the drain. I understood that.
But other than that, I did get annoyed with Steven in the book and felt they made him a little better in the show.
Team Cam/Belly and team Belly/Jeremiah baby.
While I loved how they improved Conrad and gave him more depth, I really hated him with Belly. Super toxic. He was such a jerk to her and only confessed his feelings when she was with someone else, even his brother. Jeez.
JUSTICE FOR CAM CAMERON 😭😭
if conrad had the slightest bit of decency and respect for belly's decision of choosing jeremiah, he wouldve stayed away and simply waited for jere to get back?
jere has my entire heart ong that ending was a hate crime
I AM SO HAPPY! I’ve been waiting for your response on this. I read the books, and I was actually very happy with the adaption because there were new things to love.
Loved the show, I'm team Conrad personally 🤭 loved how Nicole called Belly out lol Belly needs to realize she's playing with alot of hearts. Ngl Belly was the most frustrating character for me lol but then I started thinking back to 16 year old me and I really started to love her. I realized I was being hypocritical when 16 year old me was pretty stupid 🤣 I think people are hating on Belly's character too much lol Yes, she led Cameron on which wasn't right, but I think people are forgetting she's BARELY 16. We all make stupid decisions and I can say right now that Isabel embodied the perfect teenager - selfish, insecure, indecisive, and impulsive. Belly clearly did like Cam, but she was also using him to move on from Conrad😅 like every other teenager however, she was also confusing her feelings. She even told her mom how she didn't feel sparks for Cam and needed advice. Belly was selfish at times, like how she kissed Jeremiah right after Conrad rejected her and how she never told Nicole that Conrad almost kissed her even tho she KNEW Nicole liked him 🥲 Nicole found out the hard way. I'm just glad Belly admitted to being selfish in ep 7 and hope she develops more as a character next season. I wanna see her show self restraint when it comes to Conrad and Jeremiah, ya know? See her be more accountable and less selfish. I loved Steven despite being a jerk 🤣 I actually loved how protective he was of Belly. I guess my point is that you gotta remember that these are TEENS, they're gonna make questionable choices like you did when you were a teen lol
I’d say she was still able to put people in their place (Conrad specifically) and I was surprised bc I lowkey wished I had her attitude at 15 lol but yea she didn’t bother me much actually, Conrad bothered me but at least he didn’t give me the ick like Jeremiah
I'm okay with books and movies portraying teenagers as making questionable choices, because like you said we all did that when we were teens, but what I'm not okay with is when the book or show doesn't show character growth. Belly never really came to a realization and was remorseful that she was playing with so many hearts. I would have respected her character a lot more had she been honest with the people around her instead of waiting for them to find out she was lying or hiding something, and then trying to seek forgiveness after she'd been caught. It's the lack of growth that makes me dislike her, and I agree with you that I hope she has better character development in the next season.
I'm team Conrad too. Also because Belly doesn't treat right Jere, he's always the second choice and I think he deserves to be someone's first choice
not going to lie sometimes this happens, you can be seen as "ugly" but when you make small changes and people see your body develop, they actually treat you different. I've personally dealt with that in high school, it's very weird.
Gavin Casalegno is such a good actor. Carried this show for me
"SHE CAME SHE SAW SHE CONQUERED" 💀💀💀
I love that you did this show!!! All you're takes are valid (tho Im team conrad😤) and cam Cameron deserved better. My only issue with belly and Jeremiah was that it never seemed like belly was interested in him until he said he wanted to be more than friends. Which is what she later says to Nicole about Conrad (which was totally out of the blue for that conversation imo)
That was the point. She was never meant to be see Jeremiah that way bcuz of her strong feelings towards conrad. It was meant to be an unexpected thing for her. But later in episode six she starts to feel the possibly of something more. Jeremiah was the only one who was showing subtle signs of interest that went along with his natural flirty behavior
okay i haven’t finsihed this video yet but i love your thoughts so far. i think sort of the reason why that steven experiencing racism plotline was not developed was because it wasn’t in the book and so they really kinda had to finesse it. i really liked how jenny added some commentary on being asian and i really hope that gets fleshed out more, as you pointed out-it was definitely a missed opportunity!!
as for belly and jere, one of my favorite things about the books (i’ve read all three) is the pacing. like belly doesn’t even LOOK at jere until the second book. So for jenny to speed up the process of thier relatioship was definitely a bold choice that’s gonna result in a LOT of changes to the second season so idk apart of me wishes she would have stayed a bit more true to the book but the show is great nonethless. so that’s why everything was messy (i think) cause the love triangle was suppose to be cam and conrad first and then jere😭
and i am a conrad stan so i’m definitely biased but he has a lot more depth than the “broody, moody” love interest, he’s actually a big nerd and matures a lot in the seires. i liked how they show put in emphasis on the tole keeping this secret was for his mental health cause it’s definitely a huge reason why he’s acting the way he is (even tho that doesn’t excuse it!!) at the end of the series it’s obvious that conrad just wants belly to be happy and i really liked that. he (imo) proves to be the more emotionally mature one, believe it or not, and jere just has a lot more growing up to do
Chris briney said in an interview that he thinks one word to describe conrad is misunderstood and i think that’s rlly true!! he definitely makes mistakes and kissing belly (as much as i loved it) was not the move 😭 but i’m really excited to see how they develop
Also i LOVE that jere is bi, i hope they explore that a lot more in season two. he is very much tho giving frat boy (and in the third book he literally is💀) so i find him annoying or just rlly corny at times😭
i guess most of my frustrations with the show come form the fact that if they stayed just a bit more true to the book than i feel like less messy-ness with belly and the boys would have happened but i digress some of the changes (like Lorel getting a whole plot line) we’re rlly good!!
overall, i’m glad you liked the show and that so many people are loving it😌
Jeremiah definitely gives off those kind of vibes but honestly because he’s not like a total jerk this season and is incredibly sweet towards and friends and family I can get by it. Cause honestly there wasn’t one character on this show, including conrad, that I didn’t find cringy or annoying at times so I mostly blame that on the cheesy/cringy writing. Also, I appreciate that said that conrad issues weren’t an excuse for his actions! I see way too many conrad Stan’s saying it is and although I totally understand his reasonings it’s never ok to justly someone for treating people poorly. As for what you said about the pacing I HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE! It’s actually my least favorite part about this season since it caused such a messy ending. Like you said the kiss was cute but it wasn’t all that and put belly in a bad light since she just started something with Jeremiah.
@@laurentahuka5172 omg thanks sm for replying to my comment!!
you r so right about the writing part.
honestly the more time i think about this seires the more i just really hope belly gets a good plot line. i want her to realize that the fisher boys aren’t her entire world. cause they truly aren’t and when i get caught up in the escapism this show provides i tend to gloss over some of the messages this show could be sending. at this point i really am team belly as cheesy as that sounds-because i want her to exist beyond her love interests, ya know?
i totally get your points about jere and to be completely transparent, i’m a lesbian and so i think i was drawn to conrad because he’s emotionally unavailable and because he’s fictional. So i’m definitely going easy on conrad but it for sure doesn’t excuse anything he did. in all honesty, if i met the fisher boys in real life i wouldn’t deal w their bs💀
@@evasage14 No you don’t sound cheesy at all with that reasoning. It’s a Vaild choice. I agree this show really makes those 3 characters in the triangle triangles never focus on anything else. Like I really hope we get something that really showcases them as character. Like get into Jeremiah and conrad with their father. Or even show more about Steven and college. Something that’s not a love plot. And yeah! Belly really is just the girl love interest but I feel like she can be so much more than that. AND SAME! Like realistically girl I would RUN! Like only thing I would be attracted to is their looks at that point and that ain’t enough so in all honesty I’m taking Cam Cameron haha.
@@laurentahuka5172 aw thank u sm and i completly agree! also LMAO YES, cam was really the only valid choice😭
no but i dont understand why they made nicole and other girls just leave Bailey and taylor at lake in the nighttime with no fucking clothes when it wasnt even baileys fault that conrad texted her and she didnt even knew that he did!! they couldve easily been kidnapped thats such an immature thing to do i hate that noone addresses it in the show. if i were bailey i wouldnt even speak another word to nicole not to the mention fucking apologize 💀
IKR but I was happy the show didn’t completely treat Nicole like a disposable black love interest. Conrad’s apology to her seemed to hold a lot of symbolic weight
Jeremiah deserve so much better. when you're 16 you don't have to settle for being the second option, specially for someone who wants to date your brother. I hope we get a second season and we can see Belly being aware of what she is doing. It would be one thing hooking up with these guy, it's another to engage in something romantic with someone who seems to like and care about you for a while but only doing it cause HIS BROTHER isn't available.
the last episode had me sobbing omg, when Jeremiah was crying by the pool i cant😭
The last scene with Belly and Conrad was crazy , it didn't make any sense. Other than that a fun show , I expected it to be a shallow but it did have heart.
I’m waiting on the video for S2!!!!!!
Okay first of I am team Conrad.
Second of all Jeremiah only started to see Belly as more than a friend after she turned pretty. But Conrad has always been nice to her, cared about her and genuinely and connected with her (we can see all that from the throwback scenes) and he even got her that infinity necklace which shows how intentional he was about some of the moment he had with belly growing up. That’s why she had had a crush on him and not Jeremiah.
And that was why right from the beginning of the series everyone was worried and shocked how he was acting cus that was not the Conrad they knew. His cold, mysterious and edginess wasn’t who he was and we got to know why he was that way.
When it comes to the brothers seeing her differently that’s literally the plot. It’s called, “The summer I turned pretty.” Yeah Conrad has always been known to include her and have a soft spot for her but as a little sister. He felt that way towards her. It was his job as the older brother to involve and take care of others like what his father said. However, he has always had a soft spot for her and it wasn’t till this summer that he saw he reacted to his emotions as he couldn’t express them due to being emotionally unavailable. As for Jeremiah, he’s also seen her as a best friend. They have a close relationship and he is good to her. Like there were some flashbacks cut from book one that were important to highlight just as much has the flashbacks of her and conrad. Although, with him he could express his feelings besides his subtle hints and flirting towards her in the beginning of the season. And like jere said in the pool it’s because she always was interested in Conrad so he never felt seen that way with her. And then cam also showed up. Belly never saw him as more than a best friend which he is to her and she knows that. Imo both had different love/perspectives of her that contribute to the different love stories each boy represents.
In the book Jeremiah always had a crush on her since childhood but he knew he never really had a chance bc of Conrad that’s why after she told him she didn’t feel that way he let her go
@@laurentahuka5172 no he treated Belly like a sister just like Susannah said. The dynamic he had with Steven is a bestfriend dynamic.
@@liyana3781 that’s how she sees it but the characters themselves describe their behavior as best friends
@@laurentahuka5172 bestfriend but in a sister way too. Susannah knows her sons better than anyone. Just bestfriends is what Taylor and Belly and Steven and jeremiah are.
this is the first time I‘m watching a video of yours and I really like your way of talking and your take on TSITP ☺️☺️ keep up the work!
Conrad was standoffish and cold the whole time because he's known that his mom was sick since April -- they make that pretty clear in the show. They also make a point to show that he was fun and nice during previous summers with the flashbacks, that's why everyone keeps being like "what's wrong with him" this summer.
Cause clearly he isn't allowed to feel depressed to them
I just watched the show, cuz im bored and all of my shows are ending, and I can say without a DOUBT that I am team Jeremiah. The second I saw Jeremiah after Belly got out of that car (even before ik which one was Jere and which one was Conrad) I was just drawn to Jere. And the more I watched, the more I loved Jere (which broke my heart cuz i just knew that she was gonna end up wit Conrad🤦🏽♀) Like i get that he was going through some shit, but he was still just such an asshole, while Jere was always so nice to Belly. Like at the bonfire when he was the only one who welcomed her. And some people said that Jere's crush on Belly seemed random, but not for me, I could tell early on that he had a crush on Belly, and also, when he admitted it to her in the pool, he confirmed that he had a crush on her for a while, not just this summer, cuz he said that "There was Conrad and then THIS SUMMER it was Cam" meaning before this summer, he liked her. He didn't just start to like her after her glow-up, whereas Conrad basically admitted to Cleveland that he didn't start thinking of Belly that way until recently "To me, she was just this little girl, now she's not" obviously referring to her glowup. Like whenever Cam would be in front of her and she just continued to pin for Conrad, even tho he had been nothing but an asshole to her, it just made me so angry. Plus, let's not forget how BADLY Conrad treated Nicole. Like yes, Belly also kinda led Cam on, but at least she almost immediately broke it off with him after her and Conrad had a moment, but meanwhile Conrad was still leading on Nicole, and it only ended after Nicole saw Conrad's text to Belly saying how he really wanted to take her to the deb ball. Like Taylor said it the best, Conrad is cute and mysterious but Belly too easily forgets all of the shit that he has pulled with her, and meanwhile there was Jere "the emotionally available, fun, sweet and better-looking brother" at her feet. And she really likes Jere too, she said that when she kissed Jere, it was real. Belly does have strong feelings for Jere, but she just couldn't get over Conrad for god knows why😒. It is kinda similar to Ben and Devi from NHIE. A lot of people overlook all of the shit that Ben has done to Devi and other people just because he's nice to her now. Like just because he does a few nice things, that shouldn't cause you to overlook every awful thing that he has done....sorry for this long essay, but yeah TEAM JEREMIAH TEAM JELLY FOR LIFE💕🫶🏽🤭
as a book girlie- I'm team Conrad by default- but I will say that show Jeremiah is a lot better than book Jeremiah so far and seems to really care about belly vs. his motivation to win her in the book. You also made some very valid points
idk if you caught it but conrad knew the whole time that their mom had cancer, which was why he was kind of mopey and withdrawn the whole season
Not an excuse to be abusive to Belly
@@jocelynadamski9511 abusive?? did we watch the same show lmao
@@jocelynadamski9511abusive? Are we watching the same show ?
Okay… but in the first book it wasn’t this messy :/ and they did Conrad SO dirty, like if I would’ve have just watched the show I would NEVER be team Conrad. PLEASE read the books, they’re so good!!!!!!!
I agree, I liked how things went down in the book (the first one), definitely not as messy as the show lol but I think that Conrad from the book is kinda worse than the Conrad from the show, so I don't think they did him that dirty, in the book he spends all summer with the boys, acting as if he knew better, Nicole wasn't even in the picture that much and basically ignoring Belly, he even forgot her birthday for real and never gave her a neckless and when Belly confessed him her feelings for him he was so bad and stubborn, literally denying it and not admitting to feel something for her as well, I really wanted to see the bros fight in the show, exactly as it was described in the book, cause it was so good, actually there are a lot of scenes from the show that I wanted to be exactly like in the book but oh well, Miss Jenny approved it so whatever!
I read the books..still Jeremiah for me!
No point reading the books when it’s not the show book and show are different
Just finished watching it... The last episode was BRUTAL! 😭 But I really enjoyed the show.
This show makes the bad boy trope dislikable. And that ending was not it bc jelly was vibe but jonrad didn't make sense
I just gotta say am I the only one who thought the beach scene between Belly and Conrad literally came out of nowhere?? Like a full 180, idk it's been a minute since I've seen the last episode, but I just remember blinking and all of a sudden, they're on the beach when the whole last 2 episodes was Belly basically saying, "I know Jeremiah was the better choice." and then boom Conrad's there
FINALLY someone who understands jeremiah
Wdym literally everyone is on team jelly.
I didn't understand why she kept going to Conrad when Jeremiah was right there! But if I was her I would totally Go for all the guys lool
i’m gonna go watch this show just for jeremiah. and he’s bi? yeah, yeah. 👏🏾👏🏾 i love my bi kings sm. 🥹
HES BI?! omgggg i love that for him sm 🤩
YESSSSSSS I agree Jere was the better option, idc y'all can fight me, the end had me pissed for days , Jere literally deserved better idc
I agree with everything you said , every single thing well except Steven , I kinda liked steven 🤧 but yeahh literally said everything that was on my mind!!!
Edit: Yeah I went in thinking I was gonna hate it and it was gonna be as cringe as Ginny and Georgia but it was actually quite refreshing to me
Lol, the books were just as much of a mess. Gotta love it 🤣🤣🤣
No fr. Like book one had mo plot and book 3 was just a hot mess.
this video motivated me to finish the show, and I'm glad that we're talking about Conrad because he was very obviously not the right choice. Belly literally tells Nicole that he only likes belly because she likes him, and then turns around and gets with him? also he was nothing but rude to her all season until the volleyball tournament, and it just makes no sense to me how she can go "oh my crush is completely gone and I'm in love with his brother," to kissing him at the end of the season.
The series is good, with excellent actors. I'm pretty ok Gavin is really talented , he was just "waw" in the last episode! But Something bothered me: I hate the idea that a girl has to end up with her first love even if he acts like a complete asshole most of the time. Even though Conrad went through tough times, he didn't have to act like a jerk most of the time. It makes me laugh because I must say that Chris is so talented too because he made me hate the character of Conrad 🤣. Yes I hate people who play with other people's feelings and that's what Conrad does in Jenny's novels and in the TV show : He's the bad boy with a big heart.....lol
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This right here !!! Even to add onto that, the first love always is the mysterious brooding type and I am so sick of that being mistaken as attractive. I want a new narrative where the guy that puts in effort, shows they care, and would most likely be the better boyfriend is chosen over the mysterious guy who think glancing at a girl multiple times shows that he likes her 🤦🏿♀️
@@TarynEliseee Fully agree. If Jenny wants to upgrade her romances to the TV series, she should go beyond the poor clichés of brooding mysterious type = attractive boy. For once, don't let the boy own the girl. show us that he deserves her by taking care of her and cherishing her
Naw the actress for belly was lowkey terrible, made it hard for me to watch
THIS
@@apricity5231It what way?
Honestly hated conrad. He was so annoying and actually needs therapy or something. Jeremiah was so much more respectful and caring. He deserved so much better
If belly and Jeremiah don’t end up together in season 2 I will riot I’ll be sooo pissed
I really hope the show, if it's on long enough, fixes some issues with the 3rd bk. Like that was some character assassination stuff.
i felt the exact same way but then I listened to the audiobooks on youtube and now my whole perspective has changed
I was watching the show ready for it to be trash and ended up unironically loving it and buying that one necklace lmaoooooo
i saw tiktoks about it and avoided watching it because i thought i would hate it but i ended up actually liking it
I may be aging myself but Conrad looks like one of the main characters from the movie "the Dreamers" and i juet couldnt get over it .
I loves it when she would be called “bells” i wish that was her nickname and that everyone called her that
Steven got this Asian Korean culture of "I'm the Big Brother," and I will protect and always see my sister as my baby sister.
Spot on review, especially on Jeremia's slight manipulative touch with the firecracker moment
STEVEN WAS SO ANNOYING OMG! There were definitely parts when I liked him and he’s super cute but I could not stand how he treated belly 99% of the time
Lmao
That’s literally how brothers act lmao. My brother kinda acted like that when we were younger and it was annoying.
@@jendowden Yikes! I'm sorry about that!
i hated the ending so much, genuinely felt hurt, jermiah deserves sm better
I was team jere too and Conrad was giving 13 yrs old me vibes when I was into emotional stunted teenage boys