Kung Fu Panda 4 is a Mixed Bag (Review)
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The Kung Fu Panda series features some of Dreamwork's best films. So naturally everyone is excited for the 4th installment in the franchise.
So, is Kung Fu Panda 4 good? Is it bad? Is it painfully average? How does it compare to the previous films?
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Shen literally committed mass genocide on Po’s family and now he just respects Po for no reason (despite traumatizing him for life)?
It feels very out of character…
Thanks for spoiling me. I was gonna see the movie tomorrow.
Tbh, he was traumatized, but po found peace in kung fu panda 2. Shen sorta of respected po to an extent at the end of that movie.
Shen might’ve respect po fully because shen sees how much po changed(that’s just a theory tho)
@@thomasfredrickson6298Rip 😔
the way they disrespected shen's ENTIRE character is something i will NEVER forgive.
How did they disrespect him?
@@keelan270 shen fucking bowed at po when he preferred to die before accepting that po was right dude did you even watch the films
@@canonicallygod8782 He didn't bow, just nodded a little bit.
Still a show of deference. Had no lines, and for that matter ,I saw a bow, not a nod.
@@Alex777-ei2qq Gary Oldman didn't return either.
I thought about it, and I'd be more interested in a plot where Kai, Lord Shen and Tai Lung were the only ones brought back; at the START of the movie, Po finds them and because he's so kind hearted, he re-trains them to turn them into a Dragon Warrior team and re-take on The Chameleon at the end. They'd be fighting their old selves. Defeating them would be perfect symbolism for redemption and over coming their flaws.
Kai wanted to be known, as he's been forgotten. Being a Dragon warrior would make him well known.
Lord Shen wasn't that good at Kung Fu; he was no match. He relied on tools and fire works for evil. Becoming a Dragon warrior meant he'd be opened to the world of kindness and protecting people instead of striking fear into people.
Tai Lung would become the Dragon Warrior, just like he wanted to be but instead be taught humility and kindness.
Ooh this is really interesting!
Bro that sound amazing
Bud should have been the director instead
I was honestly a lil disappointed when shen & Kai couldn’t speak cause the voice actors gotta be paid if you want these guys to talk, that’s the thing & plus the furious 5 wasn’t in the movie either, the movie felt rushed like I didn’t learn a lesson on this one
@vell9629 it's cause the movie only had a 85 million budget while they usually have 150 million so they didn't have voice actors come back
imo they just SHOULDN'T have had _anyone_ become the new Dragon Warrior... Po _is_ the Dragon Warrior. He's not _that_ old, why is he retiring so soon? Does becoming a master suddenly make him no longer a warrior? Nobody needed to take the title. Make a NEW warrior title or something.
I agree! Honestly if it was up to me he would’ve just stayed the dragon warrior.
@@isaacmurdock
Like they should have done that plot for at least the last film of the franchise obviously change some stuff like furious five more scene time and all that and maybe get some directors who had actually worked on the franched before
If it was for me I would have choosen the Director of kung fu panda 2 she did such a amazing job ( in my opinion at least )
That movie is great!!!
Exactly.
@@superfelipestudios8104apparently this movie has had the lowest budget of all the films so there’s a chance they may not have been able to afford the old cast
Dreamworks really is a genius, clearly the best way to enjoy this movie is to watch Megamind 2 first, so that this movie seems like a masterpiece in comparison
Well their strategy worked one me. 😂😂😂
There is no Megamind 2 in Ba Sing Se
What’s Megamind 2?
My big problem was the Chameleons motivation as well because in a world where Mantis is a kung Fu master nobody would train her because she was too small
I like to think that the masters who rejected her were probably more tactful than she says, and that her reasoning is more like projection of her own insecurities rather than what she stated was the reason.
Also, she literately can become another creature. She could have transformed into any bigger animal like an elephant (Which she does in the movie) and trained in her transformed body. It would have made more sense to just say she was bad at it like Po in the fist movie but was unwilling to put in the work Po was.
I still enjoyed this movie. However my biggest thing is I wanted Po to be like a Trickster Mentor to Zhen, being his usual comical self but also teaching Zhen along the way
Are you frickin serious right now? Tai trained his entire life to fofill the dragon warrior role and some cartoon wolf gets its and we just met her? All tai wanted was for shifu to be proud of him he trained him to never fail and that made him fail
Yeah it’s kinda depressing. It could’ve been interesting to see Tai get a redemption arc and become the dragon warrior.
Are you forgetting Po became the dragon warrior when he was only a panda who knew nothing about how to fight
Womp womp
Tai got a redemption arc at the end, he accepted that he wasnt the one to be the dragon warrior. The thing that probably made him change his mind was seeing how great of a dragon warrior Po was.
And that got him finaly to live in piece.
I definetly feel that the plot was quite undercoocked, like I feel like the movie could've been longer, maybe remocing po's dad's for the majority of it could have made space for Po's and Zhen's friendship to grow so the betrayl later in the movie had more inpact, and speaking of zhen, I feel like we could have had more between her and her previous mentor, like the kung fu panda series in general has a whole is kind of a story of parents and their kids, so it's kinda weird to not really see it in this one... Also not related to the plot: kung fu panda 4 had the lowest budget of of all the kung fu panda movies... Why??? Like it's budget is 45 milion behind the previous movie
All great points!!! It is very weird that its budget was significantly lower.
my most concern was about the of the villains, specially Tai Lung, i didn't expect all of them to have a long screen time but at least they could actually have real action again
I totally agree, I’ll admit the few moments we do have with him are pretty good, but If they were going to bring back the villains from the previous movies they should have given them more to do.
@@isaacmurdock At least they should have given Shen and Kai the same treatment as Tai Lung where Po confronts them. Especially Shen since they're so linked.
The scene with Lord Shen bowing to Po was so out of character, that I'm just left to assume he only did it because it would be awkward for everyone else to bow but him.
Shen, a victim of destiny and now conformity.
And as for Zhen, while Tai Lung having finally another chance at the dragon warrior title would have been really good, I don't have a problem with her being chosen myself. The movie after all is apparently a love letter to the first movie, so it makes sense on why another seemingly random character would yet again get the dragon warrior title.
Honestly my biggest problem with the movie was the weak villain. While not a bad one overall, I found her just very shallow even compared to Kai, not even mentioning the likes of Shen and Tai Lung who are almost beautifully tragic and deep.
Talking of Kai, I guess now everyone technically can never truly die. I wasn't even expecting Shen to be in the spirit realm.
Great comment! Honestly I agree with you on Zhen. The idea of a new character taking up the mantle of "Dragon Warrior" makes sense for the series, I just wish it had been executed a little better, idk.
Same lol. I was shocked to see Shen in the spirit realm since he was never a "Kung Fu Master" or anything like that and the way he died didn't make sense for him to be there anyways 🤔
@@forlornhauntedghost Must have been an awkward meeting with master thundering rhino now that I think about it
They got shen and li in the same room and did nothing
Omg that's true
Watching 4th make me realize how good the 3rd was. My brain hurts trying to connect so many inconsistency and retcons. Like for example, how the heck did she pull out Lord Kai, the guy who died twice, farther than anyone, cus his spirit itself gone because taking too much chi. Other thing is that, the previous villains out of nowhere bow to Po now? And just gladly return to spirit realm?
Tbf, there's also something off in the 3rd, like how Po can go back in the mortal world while still being mortal, but not the case with Kai or Tai Lung when they got the wuxi finger hold move by Oogway and Po. But that was minor, compared to this 4th entry.
Also, if she literally stole so many kung fu moves, she should be overpowered, with limitless moves to dodge every single Po's attack, but nope. She could easily be defeated by a thief who learned how to use the wisdom staff-_-. Other thing is that, how is her power works? Tai Lung have kung fu, Shen have his cannons, Kai have his reverse chi, but the chameleon (god her name is so long and so generic) have magic power? Based on what? How did she learned that? How magic system works in this kung fu universe? No explanation whatsoever.
Literally full of disappoinment. While megamind 2 can be considered as non canon cus it's not a theatrical release. I feel bad for 4th cus they can't undo it. The damage is done. Now the 5th and 6th gonna have Zhen awkafina in it.
Also, "skadoosh" sounds powerful when Po is using wuxi finger move or when he's about to obliterated his foe. By making him saying that over and over in 4th just making it cringe imo.
Great thoughts! Thanks for commenting!
The skadoosh thing is cringing me everytime they say it multiple times
Honestly I like the idea that the Chameleon can shape shift and steal “kung-fu” powers from the deceased but I really wished they didn’t made her into a generic psychopath villain. The movie mentioned that the Chameleon uses magic and sorcery yet they never explained how she got her magic or any backstory for us to relate to her on why she wants to conquer the world.
The movie should had revolved on using the Chameleon as a tool and mirror for self-reflection as the final battle and test. Especially for Po, as he is supposed to be a kung-fu master that is still learning about the world. As well other methods to fight and resolve conflicts by learning from others while retaining his own individuality. It feels awkward that Po hadn’t aged enough to pass on his title of the Dragon Warrior unto the next generation (Oogway was incredibly old when he passed on the Dragon Warrior status to Po, yet it felt well-deserved because he had shown to had accumulated so much experience and wisdom throughout his really long life). After all, Po still has much to learn from both the world and himself as shown in the movie that he wasn’t popular in other region and major cities. His final battle with the Chameleon should be a final test of finding his true sense of self, that he is more than just a Dragon Warrior but that he could also be a teacher. That even if he is sad to pass on his Dragon Warrior title to the next generation, he would still be excited to join the ranks of Master Oolong and Shifu as a sensei. Po already has a natural talent to relate with the kids of his village and it’s clear that he enjoyed teaching Kung-fu to his village and the Panda village from the third movie. That even if Po had to pass on his title, he can learn to still be excited about Kung-fu by teaching it and that life consists of many paths as Po went from being an orphan, to a noodle worker, into a clumsy student, mastered kung-fu as the Dragon Warrior, and lastly an experienced teacher who still love kung-fu as much as he did when he was younger.
Speaking of self-reflection, I think Tai Lung truly deserves a redemption arc if he were to be brought back. Honestly, I think bringing back Lord Shen and Kai was a slap to the face for the older fans. Firstly, Kai was truly eliminated in the third movie as Po simply vanished him from existence during their fight in the sprit world. So it made no sense for Kai to return nor make an appearance when the Chameleon was resurrecting spirts. Secondly, Lord Shen does not deserve a redemption arc as he is petty and a huge megalomaniac. Not to mention the fact that he almost killed all pandas to extinction, that obviously should had gotten rid of his chance of ever getting a redemption arc. So it was pretty ridiculous when Lord Shen bowed to Po in the movie, I felt that was extremely out of character. But for Tai Lung, he gotten too prideful of himself because he was told and trained to become the next Dragon Warrior. Thus that was his downfall when he wasn’t meant to be the Dragon Warrior, so obviously his sense of self was destroyed and the feeling of betrayal from Shifu and Oogway just sparked his rage.
I think the movie would had gotten more in-depth if only Tai Lung was resurrected instead of all the past kung-fu warriors, especially when Tai Lung was a huge threat in all the areas and surely the Chameleon would had sought after his powers. By using the Chameleon to resurrect only Tai Lung into the physical world and have his power stolen from the Chameleon, this would begin Tai Lung’s new path of redemption and self-discovery along with Po. Now that Tai Lung is powerless, he’ll have to relearn kung-fu but taught under Po’s teachings and experiences. Through this process, Tai Lung learns to be humble and discover his own sense of self while he travels with Po to reach the city where the Chameleon resides. Just before the final battle between Po and the chameleon, Tai Lung would have his own battle with the chameleon as she shape shifts into him. He has to fight against his old self with his new experiences and kung-fu. Throughout the battle, Tai Lung realizes how explosive and empty his old self used to be as through he was fighting against a cornered and dangerous beast. Although Tai Lung is able to defeat his old self, the Chameleon still overcame him with her other abilities as he was tired out from his fight against his old self. Thus the Chameleon focuses on Po, but Tai Lung gets to see his father as Shifu rushed to locate both Po and Tai Lung because he was told that Tai Lung had returned. Tai Lungs tries to hide himself from his father, but Shifu quickly embraced him as he saw how much Tai Lung changed for the better and fought with his complete sense of self. Now seeing that Shifu is proud of him, Tai Lung can relax and vanish to the spirit world knowing that Po is the true Dragon Warrior and that he finally made his father proud of him after defeating his inner turmoil and found his true sense of self.
I really want a redemption arc for Tai Lung and to see Shifu hugs his son before they depart once again, but on good terms.
They should have hire you as a script writer 😭
Alot of the movie was filler…. Like so much
I’m really sad about the chameleon, she only like had 5 minutes of screentime and for the most part it was all tell don’t show. I led her voice and body horror though, she truly deserved a better movie.
For po I felt like he was more immature? Like his character regressed… I didn’t like him in this… he almost annoys me
I liked zhen but she was super by the books and I could just predict everything, I don’t find her as annoying as po (sad and unexpected due to her voice)
The only characters I enjoyed were
pos dads
but in the end I feel like pos dads didn’t need to be there, that time could’ve been dedicated to the new villian and fleshing her out. And zhen too. So much was alluded to but we don’t really seee any of it.
You perfectly articulated a lot of my thoughts about this film! Thanks for the comment!
my biggest issue was we didn't even get a fleshed out antagonist as we did in the other 3, which is what makes the movies plot so huge. hell, even Kai had a whole backstory on who he was and why he was running around stealing chi. with the Chameleon, all we get is that she was rejected from learning Kung Fu because of her size from every master around, which is obviously a crazy excuse when you take into account that if she went to the valley of peace, she could learn from there since Mantis is smaller than her but knows great Kung Fu, so she just steals it instead. My other issue is... how in the hell did she even KNOW of the past villains? People in the city didn't even know who the dragon warrior was, so how could she have even figured out all of Po's past villains if she was never even around? Maybe I missed that part being explained but idk. all of it seemed so off. definitely a very MID movie
Great points, I agree!
She came from a city. Po comes from a village. There are major differences in where you live, and no one had even heard of the Dragon Warrior. The city was full of criminals and thieves, that’s the parallel of Po and the Chameleon. Po believed in changing for the better, Chameleon didn’t care about others, so she remained selfish and ambitious. She had the same problem the other villains had, except she refused to consider if she was in the wrong. It’s a shame Po never tried to confront her about it again but she ended up going into the spirit realm where maybe she can reform in her ways. Chameleon also wanted Kung Fu skill so you’d think she would’ve done her research to know about the masters she was targeting, it was quite literally her goal…
@@Im-brain-dead-but while I agree them being parallel to each other, to say she had the same issue as every other villain is pushing it a little far. Every other villain had a justifiable reason. Tai Lung wanted to make Shifu proud and was promised something that wasn’t destined to him. Shen tried to change his fate by causing genocide on all pandas and was later banished by his parents who he had thought would be proud he was able to find an escape. Kai felt betrayed by his brother in arms and his memories of him across China were destroyed, so he sought to do the same to Oogway. The chameleon was just shown to seek out everyone’s kung fu just because she was rejected. We also don’t know how she even mastered sorcery. Everyone had backstories on why they’re threatening. Tai Lung mastered the 1000 scrolls, Shen going through villages and raiding it for metal and building weapons with his army, and Kai understanding what can be given can also be taken by reversing the method of giving Chi. Her character is so underdeveloped that it doesn’t even feel right. Even the questions Po had for her didn’t even get answered. The fact she knew of Po’s villains never was answered. How did she know all of that? We really did need the villain to be more developed in this case. She was unique with a great design but her character was strongly lacking.
Tl;dr the chameleon was still very underdeveloped, the plot was a mess, and there were several questions unanswered. It needed more attention to detail.
@@teknik9015 Very true but I’m glad that there was someone working on the movie actively fighting the poor writing and the horrible creative direction from the director. It’s mainly the director’s fault for Chameleon having no depth at all.
Kung Fu Panda 4 is basically the Yakuza 6 of the franchise
- Two generic villains that don't quite feel like good finales
- Revisiting older villains in a new way (Jingweon Mafia and Kung Fu Panda bad guys)
- The main character's friend group cannot help them (Tojo Clan and Furious 5)
Po literally doesnt make Zhen the dragon warrior in the film, he is merely setting her up to be which they say at the end of the film
I was gonna make a note of this. But like… it’s pretty obvious it’s gonna be her. Shifu asks Po to pick someone to train to become the next dragon warrior and that’s who he picks. So I think it’s safe to call her the dragon warrior even if she isn’t fully trained yet.
@isaacmurdock true, but po immediately became the dragon warrior, and then trained after, so I like their decision to not rush her into being it straight away
@@isaacmurdock Except your remark was that it was all handed to her in the movie, which it wasn't. I mean, yeah, we're all pretty sure she's going to wind up with the title eventually, but she clearly didn't earn it yet. In fact, she's getting all sorts of pushback from this: Shifu doesn't even give the decision his blessing and doesn't trust Zhen at all. Zhen is practically tripping over herself with the Five in the training montage. She's clearly got a long way to go.
Not apologizing for the movie as I agree with everything else full-heartedly that this is the weakest movie in the series, and a major missed opportunity. But the way everyone has been dumping all over Zhen is getting pretty overblown.
@@Onomatopoeia001 You raise some good points! Honestly I'm personally fine with a new character like Zhen training to become the dragon warrior but I still think it would have been cool (and arguably more interesting) to see what the furious five thought about her becoming the dragon warrior, rather than being regulated to non speaking cameos at the end of the film.
@@Onomatopoeia001 I mean Po was much worse than her when he was officially titled Dragon Warrior, which is one of the reasons I don't mind it. I mean there is the running motif in this movie and the first that a Peach Seed can grow into a great tree. So Why can't Zheng be the seed like Po was?
I have to give this movie credit for having tai Lung back i do like that he respected po at the end of the movie and finally calling him the Dragon Warrior.
Tai Lung is awesome.
Agree. That was awesome. And I like how he said 'See you on the other side, Dragon Warrior'
It was definitely the worst of the 4 movies. I didn’t think it could get worse than 3, but Dreamworks proved me wrong. Hopefully, for the next movie they draw inspiration from 1 and 2.
3 and 4 sucked
@@knightr06853 was actually not that bad honestly
3 was pretty good with Kai.
From the trailers kept on being released and seeing the ending.
This movie is ass
@@kindplanet1I feel like 3 is gonna look a lot better in the coming years, just because this movie is so mid.
Yea I didn’t learn a lesson on this one cause it never mentioned about 2nd & the 3rd movie but what’s rlly disappointing is that kai & shen don’t even speak at all, only tai lung but it sucks their voice actors can’t even cast them like this movie felt rushed & I expect more to be better
a fully rewritten review of a poorly worded comment from before the edit:
Kung Fu Panda 4 is a disappointing installment in the franchise.
the new villain, the chameleon, felt like a missed opportunity. no backstory, no connection to the established characters, just a generic and uninspired antagonist with a motive that felt like an afterthought - stealing kung fu skills because of some body-shaming from dojos. really? it's hard to believe this was the best they could come up with.
remember the powerful motivations that fueled the antagonists in the previous films? Tai Lung, fueled by a desire to be the Dragon Warrior and make Shifu proud. Shen, seeking to claim his parents' legacy despite being an outcast. Kai, driven by vengeance against Oogway. these were villains with depth, clear goals, and compelling backstories. the chameleon, on the other hand, doesn't even know what a Dragon Warrior is. it's like the writers forgot the recipe that made the earlier villains so memorable.
the film is drowning in jokes. don't get me wrong; humor is part of Kung Fu Panda's charm, but this time, it felt forced. every 2 minutes, punchline after punchline stole the spotlight, leaving little room to focus on the plot. I missed the perfect balance the earlier films struck between comedy and heart.
Zhen, the new side character, seemed promising, but the lack of meaningful scenes and inconsistent development made it hard to care about her journey. I wanted to care, but the movie just didn't give me a reason to.
also what happened to the Furious Five? almost nonexistent throughout the film, only to show up conveniently at the end. it felt like a desperate attempt to salvage an otherwise dry storyline.
perhaps the most disappointing aspect was what they did to Kai, Tai Lung, and Shen. these were characters with depth, each with their own stories and motivations. Kai, full of hatred and hardheaded, left silent and ignored. Tai Lung, once proud and arrogant, barely makes a negative remark to Po as if he's bound by a Disney contract. and the worst has got to be Shen, who committed literal genocide and scarred Po for life, inexplicably paying respect to him in the end with no explanation at all. it felt like a betrayal of the legacy these characters once held.
and don't even get me started about the inconsistencies with the plot.
the thing that bothers me the most was the idea of Po passing down the title of Dragon Warrior to someone else so soon. Po, who hasn't held the title for more than five years, is expected to become some "great spiritual grand master leader" despite having yet so much to learn about himself and the world. this rushed character development feels very forced, especially with the successor, Zhen, already introduced and teased in the same movie.
I'm not a writer, but I think the idea of the 4th and 5th movies focusing on the search for a new successor could've been a more engaging plotline, allowing for a gradual exploration of Po's growth and the discovery of a worthy successor.
in the end, Kung Fu Panda 4 felt like a missed opportunity to add a meaningful chapter to a beloved series. despite what people say about the 3rd movie, I do think it is a pretty good and well deserved sequel, and this movie just makes it even more noticeable. I'm not gonna have any high hopes for the next installment.
4/10, with a franchise like Kung Fu Panda they really could've done something so much better
I hate to say it, but this movie is lacking any emotional scenes with epic soundtracks or deep philosophies.
It only has one short moment with the Oogway Ascends soundtrack towards the very end.
This movie is lacking any soul. It sure means well and the animation is exceptional, but everything is undercut by jokes. It hurts me to say this cause I really wanted to like this movie, since the first three are masterpieces imo. Perhaps you'll find out what I mean once you go see it for yourself.
P.s.: Shen and Kai have not one single line in this movie. They‘re just standing there.
ikr?
I’m pretty sure they would’ve put up a good fight instead of just standing there and getting their kung fu stolen..
Sorry you didn't get your fan service.
Also I disagree the movie has plenty of soul. It just need to focus more on it's characters. Did you also forget Kung Fu Panda is a action comedy?
@@jackbruno953 I mean they did do fan service cause they still brought Tai Lung, Shen and Kai back. They just did a very poor job at it since they let Kai and Shen be mute so that they wouldn‘t need to pay Oldman and Simmons.
KFP 4 so in the rush for a new dragon warrior when. They should've reserve this as on-going storyline (DreamWorks announced to be 6movie saga since 08). The reason 1st works because Oogway time has come but also Shifu quest for his inner peace.
Here are my rankings of the kung fu panda movies
1. Perfect
2. Perfect
3. Amazing
4. Decent
This is fair.
4:19 this is exactly what I was saying!!!!!!!! Kai's spirit was destroyed in the third movie. So why is he back???🤡
I knowww right?
Some writers have stupid ideas
The way you reflected on the movie is near perfect. Walking out of the theater I just felt something different about this movie compared to the other 3 kung fu panda movie. Like you said not that it was bad or anything I enjoyed the movie a ton. The action was dope, score was epic, and all that. But there was no emotion that it lacked and with Kai still being “alive” doesn’t make sense
We never really saw what happened to Kai. Bro can't die twice. It's clear that Po simply just defeated him and Kai lost his power. the spirit realm is the after life and there is nothing beyond it. The filmmakers probably don't want this misconception about the spirt realm basically being just LIFE PART 2.
@@jackbruno953 Didn't Kai literally explode? Like he got too much power and exploded from within, he just vanished
I actually love the subplot of po’s dads cuz it implies that they want him to be safe and make sure he’s not hurt and even if you have a child who has fought powerful beings I still think a good father would check up on them when they go on a new adventure, and plus it’s probably the best excuse to give po’s caring fathers screen time
I would turn this movie into buddy movie of Shifu, Tai Lung & Po, which helps Tai Lung in redeeming herself, would switch up the villain character and arc, would keep two dads adventure without changes.
Also, having tai lung shifu and po trio no matter how it works out, would be huge respect gesture to an old audience
The dragon warrior should have been Tigress. She's like Tai Lung raised by Shifu for greatness and have been wanting to be the dragon warrior, that's why she didn't like Po when he got picked. She's been working her whole life to be dragon warrior but didn't get and instead of being evil and entitled she accepts Po as the dragon warrior and respects him. She understands what it means to be the dragon warrior by seeing Po and accepts it might not be her but she has the skills and mindsrt to be. Tigress is the best person to get the dragon warrior.
I'm so happy to see someone finally agrees with me! I made the same analytical video about my thoughts on me movie and why I think it's a real let down. Glad we noticed some similar things - lack of deep storytelling, unecessary nature of this Zhen, and so on!
Sweet! I’ll check out your video! :)
If tai lung isn’t in the movie I’m honestly not even interested in watching the movie the main villain seems to be forced to much it’s just something I don’t like about her
The villain is okay, but compared to Tai Lung and Shen, she’s just not as interesting.
@@isaacmurdock
Kal:…….
@@superfelipestudios8104Kai technically shouldn't even be here, as a spiritual being, he exploded in the *afterlife.* 💀
I kinda wish Tia Lung had some more screen time. It would have been cool to have Po break him out of jail to help fight against the chameleon.
How is po not scared? Hes literally going up against his enimies, including his biggest trauma.
Po overcame is trauma. Did you watch Kung Fu panda 2. Also. Po defeated them if you forgot. Why should he be scared.
Tai Lung would get his ass whooped if he were to face Po now. Shen wasn't even good at Kung Fu. Then there is Kai is signinifcantly weaker since he doesn't have stolen chi.
How could you be so blind.
This movie’s plot is too simple.
It’s literally a journey from point A to point B. It’s like, the 5 minutes of kfp2 with Po on the boat…except that’s the first half of this movie 😅😅
I think Toy Story 4 was a lot better than King Fu Panda 4.
Say what you will about TS4’s themes being contradictory, it still felt like it met the same standard of quality of previous Pixar films, while Kung Fu Panda 4 felt like a generic Illumination movie.
Oh I totally agree. I actually really enjoyed Toy Story 4, I only brought it up because the Toy Story franchise (like the Kung Fu Panda franchise) could have ended after the third installment.
@@isaacmurdock And the Toy Story series could've ended after the 4th installment but they're making a 5th movie
Haven’t seen it yet and I want absolutely NO SPOILERS, but I’m really hoping Shifu gets a death scene not because I hate him, no ABSOLUTELY NOT, it’s because he’s a MENTOR and Mentor’s always seem to die much like Obi-Wan or Yoda in Star Wars
I think if they wanted to make a movie where Po picks a new Dragon warrior, they should have had a time skip. Let him be a wizened old man, teaching new students. The Furious Five could still be there, just aged up, and training their own pupils. Shifu would be gone, and Ping the goose. Then you just have things go full circle, with him choosing the next Warrior.
4:22 Kai just got a five-minute respawn
Frankly the villains being added felt very shoe-horned in for money and attention.
Shen and Kai did NOTHING but get locked up and put back in the spirit realm, and Tai Lung was the only one with some sort of relevance
money how dare you said money
It didn't really look like Shen bowed to Po, it kinda looked like he was just standing there waiting to go back to the spirit realm
I enjoyed this. While some aspects did make me question it, I really think it’s just them trying to start the new trilogy, and they brought back old characters to get people’s attention back to the franchise. Otherwise this is a pretty fun movie.
I’m glad you like it! :) What are your hopes for the next couple movies?
@@isaacmurdock having a good teacher arc for Po. I really hope that’s where they take it. I’m just concerned on how they are gonna handle it.
As a long time kung fu panda fan, im extremely disappointed. Why cant companies just be content with good things and not add anything
Tigress should never be the Dragon Warrior neither should Tai Lung. Their whole thing is that theyre not the Dragon Warrior.
That’s why I mentioned that this film should have shown her reaction to new stranger becoming the dragon warrior.
The title of the “Dragon Warrior,” literally means nothing now. I’d be pissed if I were Tai Lung or anyone in the 5 after training for decades. No redemption story for Tai Lung & Shifu! So many missed opportunities just to have someone else who didn’t even have any thoughts on becoming the dragon warrior the title. Whats the point of training for it if everyone who gets it isn’t a good or as interested in Kung Fu?
I haven't seen the movie, but I don't plan to. I was afraid it would suffer from what happened with Toy Story 4 and I guess I was right. I mean, why exclude the Furious Five?! They're part of the main cast and it's not complete without them!
Why are people mad that Shen respects Po? I mean at the end of the 2nd movie he was clearly in awe that Po mastered inner peace. Not just the physical part of Po deflecting his cannon shots, but him overcoming the hardship he (Shen) imposed on Po. Especially when it was Much more than the hardship Shen had Imposed on himself. He literally asks Po. Basically begging Po "How did you find peace, Took away your parents, Everything. I scared you for life." Shen clearly wanted to learn how to achieve inner peace but wasn't willing to change. In his last moments he lets himself be killed by the mast possibly to try and escape/ control destiny (Although like in most stories with destiny, you can't change it since he, a warrior of black and white let himself die while fighting a warrior of black and white. So either way you look at it he fulfilled the prophecy). Also, he's had a lot of time to reflect in his afterlife and move on, which was the last thing Po told him to do to achieve inner peace. So it shouldn't be too surprising that with no other options, he'd actually try moving on from his past and change as a person. Also for Tai-Lung, it's possible that he also realized the message of the first movie that he doesn't need a scroll or title to be special and that he is already special. The one that makes the least sense is General Kai since he already had 500 years in the Spirt realm before the others showed up and still retained his ways. Also, he was destroyed in the spirit realm so his soul should be destroyed or in afterlife afterlife. Although I guess they can say that Po didn't actually destroy him and his dragon did something else to him. Also for them going back willingly, their story has ended. I mean Shen let himself die, so I don't see why he'd resit now and Tai-Lung has accepted that Po is the rightful successor to Oogway and again it's quite possible he's come to accept that he is special without the scroll or title. Kai, I guess since he got his butt thoroughly handed to him by Po without Po trying he probably decided it was best not to try and fight an even more experienced and stronger Po, Which if you don't think any of them learned anything is still a good reason for them to go back at least begrudgingly. Also Doesn't the Chameleon still have her powers, can't she still steal their abilities and Chi? She could probably just pull a Kai and come back after absorbing his powers and stealing the Chi and abilities of everyone else.
Anyone else feel like tai long only got screen time cuz this movie needed some fan service to actually be interesting
😅 You said it not me…
I assumed they did it so they could bring attention back to the franchise, due to them starting a new trilogy.
I don’t like the story because they focused too much on adding the water bottle lady into the film instead of focusing on the core characters like the F5
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This movie feels like it was written by people who didn't really even know or care about the others. You know. General Holywood these days.
They only brought back past villains for cameo marketings and did not follow much of the lore.
Kai should be 100% dead.
Shen is not Shen.
Tai Lung has been given the Thanos treatment. Brought back ONLY to say, "hey look. This guy strong, he one shot Thanos."
Then they put in random new "strong female character" to be handed everything. Who this bitch?
Feel like movies like this and megamind2 is why people continue to not take cartoons seriously but for different reasons.
For EVERYONE that's confused, Shen didn't bow, he nodded a little.
And he showed respect because he must've matured in the spirit realm.
I really didn’t like that the Furious Five were shoved to the side….
the best fight scene was when po breaks the floor and had a shadow fight. so cool
I was at a cafè with a friend the other day when I saw the trailer on the tv and I was quite shocked to see it coming out so soon. I knew it was coming out this year as I saw online, but it felt like it got no time at all. Just the trailer alone never gave me big hopes honestly... it felt lacking in many things. I'll watch it out of curiousity, but not at the theatre... Pity, because Kung Fu Panda 2 still destroys me emotionally and the third movie is very fun.
I watched the trailer for The Wild Robot yesterday and I was in tears, that's what I was hoping for KFP4 to give me...
The Wild Robot looks great! And yeahhh it’s unfortunate that it doesn’t quite reach the same heights.
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there quite alot of plot holes with the final battle due to the staff of wisdom it’s literally op (cuz it literally stun the villain in one blow)then take all the powers (cant po do it when he regains the staff)
zhen back story was ok tbh
chameleon back story doesnt feel that strong
the message of this movie is about change ( wish they actually utilized this more to the villain )
the fight scenes are best out of the 4 shows tho
Movie seriously just needed to focus more on the villain. Gotta agree with you there. It's definetley the weakest entry but still not bad.
That’s what I was worried about.
3 really book ended it.
They could have done the apprentice thing, but my guess is they kinda mucked it in how they would handle it. But i’ll have to see the film. Before I can really give my thoughts.
I just watched the movie and i have to agree with a lot of what you said.
the animations and visuals are stunning and i really enjoyed them. my biggest criique is the ending. i doubt that Tai Lung would have just walked off without atleast punching Po. that guy trained his whole life to be the dragon warrior and is defined by wrath and revenge. Lord Shen would have also probably tried to kill Po on sight. I also didn't liked how that fox just became the dragon warrior instead of one of the furious five or another kung fu master and it was quite obvious from the beginning that she is going to be it at the end.
going back to Tai Lung, i enjoyed the lines of dialogue he had and found them amusing and overall his screen time was okay, though it just wasn't his character. he felt like a whole other person and nothing like the beast from the first movie.
over all, i found the movie enjoyable and maybe i would rewatch it some time later, but its just not nearly as good as the other kung fu panda movies. I laughed at a few scenes, but for the majority of the time i felt no emotions at all. i think its a decent movie of itself, but a very weak kung fu panda movie.
It's frustrating when someone or studio decide to make a mid 4th film of a great trilogy that has a proper ending like Kung Fu Panda, Toy Story, Jason Bourne.
Yeah I’m kinda sick of these weird 4th installments coming in and wrecking the endings to great trilogies.
Expect that this isn't a 4th installment for the trilogy but the start of a new one
Kungfu panda was always imagined a 6 movie franchise. 1-3 Student 4-6 teacher. This one was def the weakest but many people are complaining about the wrong things. Idgaf that shen or kai didn't have a single line. I wnated more of the actual new villain who was barely in it and hyped up to be this scary big bad.
Sounds like they had a vision but that's not what I feel when I'm watching KP 4. Feels more like a cash grab to me with Tai Lung as a bait. Kungfu Panda trilogy is like a secret weapon. People expect to be entertained by the film but they don't expect the emotional weight and mature story with deep philosophy in it. Here is the otherwise. The film is so childish. Sure it has some cool message about change but due to poorly executed it's not compelling. Many wisdom quotes here but I don't remember any of it.
Imagine if po offer dragon warrior title to Tai lung
And then Tai lung go back to valley and meet shifu and furious 5
That would be bad
@@muguiwaranoboy2542 your opinion
Well Tai is nothing but a ghost so Po can’t really give the title to someone who’s already dead yk. I wanted that possibility too but if you think about it, it wouldn’t make sense to have that really. Nonetheless, this movie was solid cool.
Makes 3 look like a masterpiece
But 3 is
The trailers were really bad and i was really hoping it was a misdirection in the marketing
It is way to early for app to find the new dragon warrior
Oogway didn't show up because she didnt summon him... In the movie she said who she wanted to summon before they appeared
But isn’t it weird how she knew about General Kai but not Oogway when it should be the other way around?
Because of the other movies, this movie was REALLY down. I saw another comment here, but like theirs if you can find it.
It should have been the old villains WORKING with Po in that sense. With the furious five of course, I can see the Fox working with The Chameleon all the way in the end until she realizes, instead of being with Po the entire time..
Also wth with choosing a new Dragon Warrior?? I bet Po hasn’t been the Dragon Warrior for ten years while Oogway was for almost 500 years!!! Shifu forced it that much??
This could have done a better plot, maybe that Po isn’t READY to change just yet.. what if Shifu just mentions that one day Po may have to change.. and Po doesn’t want that.. so Po finds himself in a Journey.. and stumbles into the three villains, they have this heartfelt moment with the furious five and they all together work against the Chameleon.. in that sense.. and in the end.. yes maybe Tai Lung can be offered to be the next Dragon Warrior, or accepts Po in a much more BETTER way.. with the other villains.
With all of this, Po realizes that all of them moved on from being things they wanted from Po.. and Po needs to move on with that too.. there fore setting off where Po makes a very timey skip journey to accept CHANGE in that reality.
And then the 5th movie and focus more on a character that Po has met before the next movie starts.. and it’s the fox again.
1:50 Trolls world tour has crazy train in it too
Personally, the movie wasn't as good as what came before. I put it just around the level of 3. But it was still a solid film at the end of the day.
I think fans going in expecting a ton of fan service and cameos from past films are gonna be disappointed since it's such a small part of 4. Tai Lung is barely in it and they put him front and center on the poster.
Some people didn't like Zhen. In my opinion she was one of my favorite parts about 4. Overall the movies plot felt a little rushed, the main villain isn't really in it that much compared to past kung fu panda films.
Other than that you still have a highly entertaining film. It's crazy to think how old this franchise is. Seeing po become the dragon warrior while I was kid to now as an adult seeing him be a teacher. It's kinda surreal.
Def worth seeing and I hope they make more! I can see Kung Fu panda 4 being apperciated more over time. Cause it's marketing was a bit misleading to some fans expecting one final hurrah for all the villains. With some of them only getting a min of screen time.
Wait how is Shen here, didn’t he die, he never went to the spirit realm so he shouldn’t have been able to be brought back
In this day and age, you can expect anything with talking animals will be average at best.
who were the people that wrote this movie? 😭 i was hoping for tai lung's story...
the furious five should have been more in this movie! and help poo or someting and yeah agree that po didnt need to retire because yeah i still see him as the dragon warrior...
the movie is rushed, the characters are bland, the plot is wasted, the ending makes no sense. By far the worst KFP
Should have made it as someone releases all of poes old enemies and he has to work with the furious 5 to send them back
it was good, it just felt diferent then the other 3 movies...
I had a guy saying this was better than the 3rd movie. He must've been high or something
I feel like this movie could have worked if it had a bigger budget and longer runtime to further flesh out the chameleon and zhens character and maybe show some scenes of the furious five and just when it started to get good towards the end it ended way too quickly so the movie felt kind of rushed
I didn't need a longer run time. I say cut out Po's dads. Include more chameleon. All the Kung Fu panda films are around the same length. They just had weird priorities and too small of a budget.
Is furious five movie Maybe.
This movie does not exist in the reality I walk along
It is indeed a mixed bag. Half a bag of stupid and the other half of disappointment.
Sounds like another film that fell victim to focusing too much on 'A' external plot over 'B' internal plot... which really kinda kills a story before it really ever starts.
I think this film is kind of good, but not so great. It's like watching a Saturday Morning cartoon movie with lack of kids jokes.
This movie doesn't hold a candle to the others, it's sad because I really don't think the trillogy and quadrillogy curse is true.. people just forget about the initial charm and become greedy... This one was okay but it was weak.
Be ready for more, there was apparently always planned to be 6 kung Fu panda movies
The filmmakers debunked that years ago
@@rupertsmith5815 Mike Mitchell, director of 4, said 5 and 6 are very possible
@@poll1051 yeah and Jennifer you Nelson said in 2016 that they had no plans to continue the franchise and saw it always as a trilogy.
And the 8 year gap essentially proves it
tailung deserved the dragon warrior title and a redemption arc
ofcourse DreamWorks is trying to introduce the strong female lead. We would have been better if they put more screen time into redeeming Tai Long.
This movie is the plot of shrek the third, this resumes the movie quality
Bro missed opportunity to have li to forgive Shen
For me the worst of the four
1 kfp 2
2 kfp
3 kfp 3
4 kfp 4
No offense. Its not a bad movie
Its just that it doesnt hold up
_Tell me you never directed a Kung Fu Panda film, without telling you never directed a Kung Fu Panda Film...._
Honestly this is fine, I seen the movie and it is exactly how I expected. This is the second part of the trilogy so they had to build it up They told us after 3 came out
I went to see it today and got exactly what I expected. Really great animation.... very mid and predictable story compared to the previous films.
I was intrigued by Chameleon's design and abilities, but her motives and backstory weren't fleshed out in the same way as the previous villains, so she just wasn't all that interesting in the end.
Couldn't agree more!
Where can you watch this thought it was out like the 28th March ??
In Europe it seems to be 28th but in the US it’s 8th i think..
I just watched it a good 6.5/10 maybe
I wanted more fight scenes and I thought the movie went by hella quick
I also agree with some of his points
@@whatname7257 I think that’s a pretty fair score! And I agree, it was a very short movie!
@@isaacmurdock I think fights really do not matter as much as drama and personal stories that makes us connect to characters and enjoy movie. As though fights are probably weakest in Kung Fu Panda 2 it is favourite of mine
If this movie existed in a vacuum, it’s 4/10. As the fourth film entry of a franchise with established characters and lore, this movie is 1/10. Disgustingly disgraceful. They could hardly have cared less to polish the script to work within just this movie, let alone with the whole franchise.
1/10 change it now i dont like your score
Here are my pros, animation very good, jack black doing a cover of hit me baby one more time amazing, Zen is a good character, the cover for crazy train was cool, the fights scence very impressive. Now the cons Tai Long had speaking roles instead of Shen and Kai which was upsetting. I can believe Tai Long being more mellow in the spirit realm because he lost his purpose and ambition being the dragon warrior. But seriously Shen and Kai have nothing to say to Po. Laaammme. The Chameleon is a cool character with a unique ability but her story of why she doing this because no one wanted to teach her kung fu was just up stupid. She seem like she was like Po being a fan girl of kung fu only to be let down by the people she idol. But there no show but tell and that’s lazy writing. Even in the kung fu panda series the dragon knight did show but no tell of the weasels back story. Way better than Megamind sequel.
Jack Blacks cover of …Baby One More Time is fantastic.
Yeah I haven’t seen this film and I already knew it was going look like a mess starting with Zhen as the dragon warrior. =/
what do you mean u saw it? isnt it coming on march 15
It came out on March 8th in the United States.
@@isaacmurdock oooh okay
better than three in my opinion
So here's my idea for how I would have run this movie:
Firstly, the furious five don't necessarily have to be in it for it to be good, in fact, considering the Chameleon can steal chi and skill, it's likely better to fight her with a smaller party.
Second, don't bring back Shen and Kai. If Chameleon is looking for people who are amazing at martial arts, she would definitely bring back Tai Lung, but Shen was more an inventor, and conquerer, and Kai was barely known. The only people who knew Kai were Oogway, and the masters Kai ended up absorbing. Plus, Kai was kinda spirit exploded?
We can set the movie up with Chameleon stealing Tai Lungs chi, and let the audience know she's going for Po next, because as the dragon warrior and a panda, he would have a lot for her to steal. Tai Lung is let go, as he isn't a threat anymore.
Over the next few weeks, Tai Lung makes it to the jade temple to find Po for a rematch. He knows he lost the ability to fight, but his stubbornness is meant to shine through here. Po defeats him easily, and asks Tai Lung questions. Tai Lung will keep trying to fight him for a while, before finally accepting defeat. He will tell Po about the Chameleon, her ability to steal chi, and that she's coming for Po next. Po offers to retrain Tai Lung, to which Tai Lung begrudgingly agrees, swearing to himself to kill Po once he gets his skills back. Ping hears about Po going on another journey, and insists on going with him, offering to provide the food for their journey. Po, Ping, and Tai Lung take the next few week to travel back to the city the Chameleon lives at, with Po training Tai Lung along the way. Tai Lung is taking the training very well, and is at a respectable skill level in fighting. Still nothing compared to how good he was before, but he could beat standard guards fairly easily.
The party see's that there's some kind of identification process to get into the city, and to prevent Chameleon from knowing Po was in the city, they'd have to find some way to sneak in. This is where the party meets Zhen, who agrees to help them in, in exchange for a favor she needs done in the inside. Something she needs some extra muscle for, as she isn't very good at fighting. Zhen sneaks them in, and cashes in her favor. I haven't thought of what her favor would be, but it would be something illegal that Tai Lung has no dilemma with doing, but Po would be very hesitant. During the fighting that the favor would entail, we see that while Zhen isn't outright skilled in hand-to-hand combat, she knows her way around a fight, and is very good at using her environment to her advantage.
Afterwards, Ping would chastise Po for doing something so immoral, and keep ripping into him (verbally) until he starts crying. While Po is crying, Ping would walk behind him, and lash Po with his tongue, revealing that Ping was the Chameleon the whole time, and was just waiting for a time when Po was completely unguarded. This, combined with Chameleon revealing to Po that she has to attack the people she copies, is meant to push Po over the edge. Now he knows that Chameleon can perfectly pretend to be even his loved ones, but that she had also attacked his father to do it. Chameleon mocks Po, and says if he wants his Kung Fu back, he can come to her palace to try and take it, knowing full well Po isn't capable of fighting anymore.
Tai Lung and Zhen find Po, now unable to fight. Tai Lung takes this opportunity to start attacking Po, yelling things at him like "Why are you so weak? Weren't you the Dragon Warrior?" Po is consumed by grief, and was mostly letting himself get hit, until Tai Lung insults his dads, and Po instinctually puts him in a Wuxi finger hold. While keeping Tai Lung in the hold, he admits that he's scared, now knowing that he can't fight. That even if he goes to the Chameleon, he knows his chances of winning are very low. "And what did you think your chances of beating me were?" That snaps Po out of his funk. he remembers back even when he didn't think he was the Dragon Warrior, he fought Tai Lung knowing full well he probably wouldn't win. Po makes up his mind to go fight the Chameleon, and offers to work together with Tai Lung to win their Kung Fu back. He agrees, and says they will fight once they have all their skills back. Zhen tags along with them because she feels bad for Po I guess? I haven't thought about Zhen too much.
All of them go to the Chameleon's palace, and begin the final fight. No surprise, Po and Tai Lung are getting easily beaten to a pulp, and Zhen is doing her best as support. Mainly by throwing miscellaneous objects at Chameleon, and attacking her when Po and Tai Lung need time to get up. Eventually, Chameleon knocks down Po and Tai Lung by the stairs of her palace, and Zhen takes this opportunity to tackle her down the stairs. Po and Tai Lung are both groggy, but they get up and are reminded of their fight, seeing Chameleon hit every stair on the way down. They both make their way down, watching Zhen fight Chameleon. Again, they are reminded of their own fight, seeing Zhen make perfect use of her environment to fight on par with an opponent leagues above her. Chameleon manages to make it close to Zhen, and knocks her out after taking moderate damage. Immediately, Po rushes in to protect Zhen. Still unsuccessfully, he attacks to fight her. She taunts him, saying he's no longer the dragon warrior since she's stolen that from him. Po flashes back once again to his fight with Tai Lung, remembering the message of the Dragon Scroll. There's nothing special about being the Dragon Warrior, it's just you. Upon remembering this, Chi floods out from Po, and his old skill returns. Po is now fighting on par with Chameleon, and Tai Lung asks him how he did that. Po reminds him about the Dragon Scroll, and after some time, Tai Lung accepts the lesson himself. Now both Tai Lung and Po are back to full strength, and together they defeat Chameleon. Tai Lung accepts Po as the Dragon Warrior, but now see's him as a rival rather than an enemy. Po notes Zhen's talent, and how similar the way she fought was to his early way of fighting, and asks her if she wants to be his student. Zhen, looking for an escape from a life of crime, accepts.
The movie ends with Zhen, Tai Lung, and Po all returning to Shifu at the Jade Palace. Tai Lung learned humility, Zhen is set up as possibly the next dragon warrior. The three grow into something like friends, but also rivals to set up KFP5.
I WANT TIGRESS NOT THAT FOX 💀
Tai Lung escaped a highly-guarded prison using a feather, and gave all the guards there the hardest beatdown of their lives even when he hasn't trained for years. Cut to him in KFP4 getting knocked down by the Chameleon after one hit and having his kung fu stolen. Wow, okay. 🥹
Add: I was actually quite sad that this movie didn't live up to the saga the last 3 left behind. I genuinely like the villain's design. It was one of the reasons why I was looking forward to the movie after seeing the teaser.