When I hear Mid, I think that means acceptable. A movie that isn’t bad but doesn’t really leave an impression. A movie that is watchable but not much else. But I think this movie is far too harmful to the franchise to be considered mid. It’s character assassination for almost every returning character and also breaks a lot of the world building. The movie isn’t unwatchable but I think that it causes too much damage to the franchise for people to be okay with it.
I think Tai Lung should have had a redemption of sorts in this movie. Have Po offer Tai Lung the role of being the next Dragon Warrior, but then have Tai Lung decline, since he now accepts and understands that it isn't his right nor was it ever his destiny to be the Dragon Warrior. Also Tigress should have been the next Dragon Warrior instead of Awkwafina.
@@ok-rn4bo Personally I don’t like the idea of Tai Lung becoming the next dragon warrior because he is dead. I don’t think they should just allow characters to come back to life by leaving the spirit world and never returning.
Tigress is the Most disrespected character in History - Orphan - no one wanted to adopt her - no friends and isolated in the orphanage - Tries hard to win Shifu's affection as her daughter - Lost Dragon Warrior to a random guy. - took a random guy one montage to be stronger than her - irreverent in KungFuPanda4 - rejected as dragon warrior for 2nd time, even though she has mature
KF Panda 4 would have been SO much better if it was about Po teaching Tigress to relate more to the normal populace that she holds a small level of resentment for, and the Chameleon pushes Tigress' buttons by transforming into the people who abandoned and failed her. Teaching that being the Dragon Warrior isn't about being the greatest martial artist, but the best person who can use martial arts to protect those who need it. Then have a bit of contrasting story with Tai Lung, Shen, and Chameleon where Tai Lung is slowly realizing this lesson while Shen is being a dick as usual and plotting well with Chameleon as a pair of evil assholes who make Tai Lung see that they are not what he wants to become.
@@menhguinIt’s sad that a bunch of random people online have greater talent that the actual people getting paid to release slop like this. The literal only difference is passion, the fanbase is passionate about wanting a genuinely good story with and for the characters they’ve been following for years. I refuse to believe there isn’t some kind of large scale intent to all of this. It almost feels like sabotage, like nobody misses this hard with such well-loved movie franchises this frequently and in almost the exact same way over and over again without some kind of intent.
-No Furious Five -Mediocre villain with nonsensical backstory -Ruins the villains of the first three films -Po is forced to retire despite the fact that he is still young -Akwafina
dont forget chameleon steals others kung fu but is still weaker then them :/ dont forget she couldnt learn kung fu bc of her form but a damn snake and a mantis did it okay... fox thief becomes a new dragon warriror.. okay it cant get much worse.. po has to retire.. brah no backstory for a villian? okay.. nothing add to the kfp franchise.. okay.. doesnt show her evilness till the end and pushes some random guy off the floor..
For coming eight years after the third movie this movie was poorly thought out and executed. I think Fans could have done a better job at writing the script. And they actually had the audacity to say that this was the best movie in the franchise.
Ways to make this movie good: 1: Replace Zhen with Tigris 2: Have Tae Lung's fight start in the beginning, then let him escape and have a redemption arc 3: Let the freaking artist's do their thing
and i though Tai Lung would be perfect, and just making him the protagonist or major role instead of... this. Tigris feels like fan-service BUT i'll accept it.
@@PB-eh8ibgeneral kai and lord shen were done dirty too as they don’t have their voice actors. shen’s only sound was two peacock noises. which sucks too because i really liked lord shen, by far my favorite villain in the kfp franchise. are you kidding me???
@@nikoskonstantinidis4069 Seriously, I would have preferred the Tai Lung scene at the beginning, except he escapes after losing his power and tracks down Po to enlist him for his revenge. Then over the course of the movie he can be redeemed, eventually becoming the next Dragon Warrior ONLY when he finally lets go of his ambition and begins to respect Po. Also, cut Zhen entirely or leave her as a minor character in service of the Chameleon.
Hell yeah. I was SURE that Thai Lung will come to Po and warn about the Chamelion. Imagine scene with Thai Lung and Master Shifu. How he repent for what he did.
Kai being here not only doesn't make sense but also irresponsibly nerfs and diminishes his established character. He can take people's Chi. What is stopping him from taking the chameleons? What is stopping the Chameleon from taking Po's Chi? And if anyone says 'well cause he isn't a spirit' bull crap cause that's what he becomes in the third movie a spirit warrior. Edit: and what is EVEN FUNNIER is that they could have kung fu panda 4 if they actually played with the idea that Po IS a spirit warrior (thus immortal) and just made everyone else OLDER. Hell even SHIFU'S CHARACTER IS DIMINISHED cause he picked what FIVE STRANGERS? That Po has NEVER SEEN OR MET BEFORE as candidates to become the NEXT DRAGON WARRIOR?! THE FUCK?
I'd like to think of it as like his spirit "vomitted" all the chi because it was too much for him to handle the same way a stomach can't hold too much food
Its not an anomaly, its perfectly expected. Dreamworks was always the hit AND miss studio, for each shrek 2 there's a shrek 3. The next good dreamworks movie may come out in this very same year, in the name of "Wild Robot"
This might be a Hot Take, but I believe that Puss in Boots 2 suffers the same problem as MM2 and KFP4 in where the movie misunderstood their own franchise. The Shrek world parodies fairytales by putting the characters into a realistic world, Puss in Boots 2 misunderstands that by using an art style that thrives on unrealism, making the setting a fantasy based on the character’s psychology instead of aspects of the real world, and worse of all, introducing a god-like deity along with dictators and manipulators that could actually exist in the real world. Puss in Boots 2 is good unlike the other 2 sequels just because it works as its own film
@@j.j.hector736 Shrek doesn't parody fairytales, but instead parody DISNEY. Shrek worked so well because of their subversion of expectations for disney fairy tale movies However, the disney that Shrek parodied is not the same disney of today. Puss in Boots is a great parody on modern Disney, from its inclusion of great villains (that disney seems to lack), to its reversion back to a 2d like art style, etc. Jack Hornet can even be seen as an allegory for modern day Disney, as he gobbles up other fairy tales like how Disney is buying out tons of different franchises and ips
The Kung Fu Panda trilogy was the perfect representation of body, mind and soul. Po in the first learns how to accept himself as a fighter, Po learns to deal with his past in the second, and Po gains the spirit of the dragon warrior in the third. What makes the fourth the worst is that Po never learns anything. Its just another boring, rushed, cash grab "adventure" that gives the studio an excuse to run this franchise to the ground.
Remember guys: If you think that a movie ruined the franchise, just forget about it or pretend that it's just a fanfic/it doesn't exist. There's no pacific rim 2 There's no jurrasic park 3 There's no megamind 2 And there's no queen of Eng... ... I mean, kung fu panda 4
Here’s how you fix the Chameleon: 1) Give her a damn name. 2) Instead of an in-universe contradiction, make it that she never had the courage to actually do kung-fu herself and thus needed guises. 3) Make her able to take forms through observation, not random vore magic. Thus leading to: 4) Have her only have brought Tai Lung back in the beginning as her anti-Dragon Warrior weapon, with the intention of using him to be able to witness Po’s abilities in full. Ultimately leading to 5) Po being her ultimate objective because _at the end of 3, he was the most powerful kung-fu Master on the planet, leader of the Valley of Peace and, rightfully by 2, should be a hero renown throughout all of China._ Having his strength thereby, in her mind, making her the strongest. A villain with weakness, vice, an actual plan that progresses through the film and an end goal that aligns without plot holes or retcons.
Exactly. I thought some kind "mimicking" ability would have been far more in par with the kung fu lore and interesting to explore instead of some "soul-absorbing-magic" (because as the video says: why doesn't she just one-shot Poe?).
Bro literally the whole point of the dragon warrior was that he was the ONLY one. It’s not that a generational thing. He was the first , and (supposed to be) the only.
precisely, I despise it when sequels directly contradict the lore just to expand it's lifespan when the second film should've concluded the entire franchise..
Oogway implied in the third that he was setting this up from the very beginning, that he saw the "future and past of kung fu" in Po, and that he was chosen for that exact reason. The effect of that has diminished quite a lot now, huh?
KFP1 told us again and again that the DW was never chosen based on who was the best trained in Kung Fu or who "deserved" it. That's the whole point of Po being chosen. It was never Tigress or Tai Lung's destiny to be the DW and they both learned to accept that. Yet here we are, so many people are saying that Zhen didn't deserve it, Tigress and Tai Lung deserved it more etc. 😂😂 As Oogway once said, "You must believe".
What's sad is that the co director wanted this movie to be more like 1st and 2nd one's bit wasn't allowed to since the main director had the control...
Yep and the director is the guy who Always think Animation is for kids kind of people AND HE GETS ALL THE CONTROL FOR THIS MOVIE whoever is the PR...... Thank god you don't touch other studios thx
Yeah this is why Gamingmagic13 was right about Toy story 4 & Incredibles 2 but that film was changed to the worse of retelling thanks to Josh & his film! So Incredibles 2 wasn't just a letdown but a victim of Toy story 4's Existence so now that film officially got something a tribute which is K.F.P 4!
I love the Kung Fu panda Trilogy. It does kind of suck that it had to end at 3 but I'm glad they did, because I don't know about you but the fourth entry in a franchise is usually where the downhill starts. 100% Glad that a fourth movie does not exist.
@@TheProblemStarters306 I wouldn't say amazing, it had its share of flaws and the whole chi ordeal kinda broke the stricter martial art power system established before. Also kai is just not as compelling as tai lung or lord shen for a variety of different reasons. Overall a pretty good 7/10, but not amazing, like its forefathers with absolute 9-10/10s
6:44 Why is Shen in the spirit realm?! It is clearly established that only Kung Fu masters can enter. Shen is a great fighter but NOT a Kung Fu master! Shen wanted to destroy Kung Fu!
@@tonyhawksproskater2406 The third movie. I can't remember if its ever said since I watched the 3rd film when it came out so i was like 10. But its at least heavily implied
you know that half the people in the spirit realm were crooks. Shen was banished for 30 years he could have learnt kung fu in that time. He does use some kung fu maneuvers and he was a master swords man. maybe master swords man count as well?
I'm so glad someone else agrees that Po would have picked Tigress to be the next Dragon Warrior. There is no way that Po wouldn't pick Tigress, someone he's known and trained with for years and sees as a close friend, over some random fox girl that he first met trying to steal relics from the Hall of Heroes.
@@witherverse1351 Oogway was also a wise kung fu master that knew Tai Lung couldn’t be stopped by any of the Furious Five, which Tai Lung escaping was why Oogway said they needed to choose the Dragon Warrior. He knew that it needed to be someone who could withstand Tai Lung’s powerful attacks, which Po excelled at thanks to his fatter physique. Po was also immune to his nerve strike since Tai Lung couldn’t find the right nerve points. Now that Po is the one choosing a successor, he most likely would choose who he thought would be the best for protecting the Valley of Peace, and this would probably be Tigress. And while she was the complete opposite of Po’s fun-loving personality in the first movie, she has been shown to grow and be more relaxed in the later movies, instead of being brash and serious all the time like she was before meeting Po.
@@rezthefalcon yes but you could argue that would be boring from a story stand point Or you could argue it's a dick move Like she works 20 years to be chosen as the dragon warrior, instead a random panda gets chosen, obviously making her mad. She then would basically have to wait 5 years to be chosen as dragon warrior If anything the problem is that shifu is forcing po to choose a new dragon warrior when it is 100% too early This could've been fixed by establishing an amount of time has passed such as 5 or 10 years
Why do people think Tigress or Tai lung should be the dragon warrior? They’re both bad options and slaps the previous movies themes in the face Based off Po, dragon warrior seems like it’s not solely a strength or experience thing, it’s more so personality and inner peace, which tigress lacks. Despite briefly being in the movie, she seems content about the role she plays. While she does improve personality wise through the movies she most likely wouldn’t take the role if offered to her.
Something that also fucking blows my mind is how now almost anyone can become the Dragon Warrior. Tai Lung dedicated his whole life to it but wasn’t made for the role. Same with tigress and she was colloquially known to become the next Dragon Warrior but NO! Po shows up and throughout the movie we are shown how it is more than just training, dedication etc. Someone literally has to be fated as the next successor to the title but all of a sudden a wolf/dog idk is just chosen. Yea the scroll was blank and shows us that it is power within yourself, but with Shens vision, Pandas having innate talent for Chi, Oogway, we are shown how it is destiny at play.
It's wild that Dreamworks is simultaneously destroying its best franchise (KFP) while it made a phenomenal sequel to one of its most random spinoff films (Puss in Boots). Does that mean they will ruin How to Train Your Dragon, and also make an amazing Madagascar Penguins movie?
@@ThePreciseClimber puss in boots 1 was very underrated. It was pretty good. I only watched it for the first time sometime in the last 5 years after buying the Blu-ray from a thrift store.
I hated how they nerfed all the villains. Tai Lung was a mad fighting machine being able to destroy armies. You can hear Tai Lung's anger everytime he screams and when he says "Who denied me my destiny" Shen was a guns-blazin' psycho maniac. He was toying with Po's emotion like a puppet. Allat for him to get absorbed in 2 seconds Kai literally swept Po and made him tell the other pandas to run for their lives. I dont think a guy with that much power was caged that easily when he cut literal mountians
I do get why a super being would defeat shen. Despite his status in the fandom, he is the weakest villain physically in the entire franchise. This is because he doesn't have any special abilities. Even tai lung had those nerve stopping punches.
@@N.I.A23 Well yeah the point of Shen is that he wasn't a master of Kung Fu so he created a way to kill it through mechanization. So why is Shen in the spirit realm? Isn't it only for those with Chi and Kung Fu-ness? And if he is in the spirit realm, why would you bring him back, hes got no moves that none of the others have.
@@sambreyer7344 Well he did have some kung fu training as he was able to do a few maneuvers like kicks and swipes. Plus half the guys that came out the spirit realm in the film were just crooks.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the 3rd film, mainly because it didn't hit the emotional levels like the first two films did, but this 4th installment just makes it look like a masterpiece by comparison. I was onboard with this franchise being six films but after a few years since the 3rd movie's release, I was at peace with there only being a trilogy. Now, I really wish that was the case.
9:57 So Zhen was actually a villain and gets chosen as the dragon warrior but Tai Lung never gets chosen despite how wronged he was and his original passion for the title? okey dreamworks, makes sense....
I'm perplexed about why they make the Kung Fu Panda 2 villain bow to Pou That mf would never pay respect to anything that isn't a mirror, he's too much of a narcissist to bow down to the guy that beat him of a species he tried to eradicate, wtf
It wasn't even narcissism, the dude had such a hatred of the panda race because of the prophecy and as a result he tried to eradicate them. Seeing po, he saw that which he hated most, the warrior of black and white, and to the very end refused to even give him the chance to either prove his view otherwise or dare owe anything to po because of his status as a panda.
Chameleon should’ve been a combination of Tai Lung, Lord Shen, and Kai. Testing Po’s strength, will, and spirit all at once. A missed opportunity with the chameleon is that she could be disguising as people throughout the movie, such as shifu to gain information on Po. Or heck, she could’ve shapeshifted into Po’s mom, that would’ve really destroyed Po. But NOPE! They didn’t do any of that.
That….actually sounds like it would have been 🔥. A character that can transform into anybody has great potential to be menacing since you can’t really trust anything.
I'm surprised that the shapeshifter never bothered to just transform into the people closest to Po. Its such a missed opportunity. Like, imagine if she was a total sociopath who was hell bent on manipulating and breaking Po at every turn, using the face and voice of those he loves the most. But nah, just copy the villains from the past, give the real villains no voice lines at all, and make a flat, unintimidating, one dimensional villain.
What they ACTUALLY should have done with kfp4: -Remove the return of Shen and Kai, Shen got crushed under a god damn ship and died to his own cannon balls he ain't coming back, Kai got completely eradicated and erased in the spirit realm he also ain't coming back -Bring back the furious 5 -Rename and give The Chameleon an ACTUAL backstory, here's an idea: name her Princess Chamelia or smth like that, and her backstory would be something along the lines of her and her family getting humiliated by kung fu masters and she ends up training and learning magic and she becomes more power hungry and she defeate anyone in her way without mercy like the og masters humiliated her family a while ago, hell an even better idea imo is that the chameleon's and the pandas had an ancient war and The Chameleon has beef with pandas after her parents got killed in the war so she learns magic and takes her rage out on Po or smth like that -Make Po not give his dragon warrior position -Make Po bring back Tai Lung as a last resort once he gets defeated by the chameleon, then they both work together and defeat the chameleon (not without some beef before tai lung acceps po's offer tho) -Tai Lung gets his redemption arc and Shifu finally becomes proud of him -Make Tigress the new dragon warrior in a future movie -Remove and scrap Zhen entirely -Bring back Po's intelligence from kfp3
MY IDEA FOR KFP4 Scrap the character of Zhen entirely. instead of Shifu having Po pick a successor, have his announcement be that he wants the Furious 5 to disperse to spread his kung fu teachings across China. have THAT be the change Po doesn’t want to adapt to. Before any of that can happen though, they get word of the Chameleon so Po AND the Five set off together to take her down. Keep the humorous subplot of Po’s dad’s following to make sure their son is safe(I honestly really liked seeing them work together). make the chameleons backstory be that she was turned down because she didn’t want to put in the effort to actually learn kung fu, that’s why she’s looking for this shortcut. Double down on the Chameleon bringing back old villains, making it like a Kung Fu Panda version of No Way Home. Keep that amicable exchange between Po and Tai Lung so he gets his redemption before going back to the spirit realm. And along the way Po learns to accept change and we end the movie with a tearful goodbye as the Five all leave and Po stays to run the Jade Palace, that way you can still bring all of them back for a sequel if you want.
Even though I found this movie enjoyable enough, I will not defend the lack of the Furious Five or their choice to falsely advertise a proper return for Shen and Kai.
@@RaijinRainand that’s honestly how it should be. Kai being there was just a straight up retcon since he burst from chi overload in the Spirit Realm, and Shen doesn’t even make sense for Chameleon to want cus he’s not a Kung Fu master; in fact he was the same guy who wanted to destroy Kung Fu.
@@EvokerInvokerbleHonestly the director, Mike Mitchell ruined the whole franchise. The animation is great but the story has a lot of plot holes and predictable outcomes. KFP4 sounds more of a mediocre fanfiction compared to its past movies.
Love how the chameleons name is just the chameleon all the other villains had actual name but this name imply she’s the only chameleon and that’s her only name and that’s funny to me
@@tanner201x8 I always assumed that wasn't there actual names though and just a nickname to signify what fighting style they are a master of so master mantis is a master of mantis style
@@pufferfancyfish That’s a common headcannon many have but I don’t believe it’s been substantiated at all. Especially since none of their real names are ever revealed.
I'm so glad to see someone else holds this trilogy in such a high regard. We both respect these films, more so than the creators apparently. At least whoever was involved in the making of this fourth film. I hope there will never be anymore sequels to come from this, they're not acceptable and certainly not necessary. I hate how forced the storyline was of passing down the torch and the narrative of "change" when true change doesn't come from force but from the opposite: a voluntary decision. Did we once in the movie see that Zhen even wanted to be the dragon warrior? Sure, she may have had a change of heart but why make her the next warrior and get rid of Po so disgracefully as if he has no purpose anymore other than to crack stupid jokes and get fat eating dumplings. And speaking of free will I definitely saw no realization moment for Po that he genuinely wanted things to change in his life. The whole movie he didn't want to give up his position as the dragon warrior (and why did the movie want him to retire so badly anyways? He barely got to be the dragon warrior for that long!). In the beginning when Shifu made him choose a new dragon warrior to take his place he pointed to himself and even at the end when he "passed down the torch" by giving Zhen the staff it seemed so forced. He didn't "choose" to give her the dragon warrior role he was forced into doing so because "plot". It's just honestly so poorly written it hurts because these movies and characters, especially Po, mean so much to me. His growth and development and acceptance of his self and his determination to never give up, even when he struggled and so heavily doubted himself, has always brought me back to watching these movies again and again and being inspired by them. But this movie failed to inspire me and it failed our beloved franchise. You deserved better, Kung Fu Panda. You deserved better.
Oh hell no we are NOT doing this! We should've stopped at 3 and honestly. This isn't canon. You can't change my mind I will not see this as canon. I will ignore the fact it exists.
This makes me think that in the time that the writers' strike was going on, someone thought it would be a good idea to write a self insert fanfic and while extremely drunk send it to the directors, who, without other options since the writers were still on strike, decided to roll with it. That would explain the whole "pass the adventure" to a completely new and boring character, and would also explain Aquafina.
No one's probably gonna care because it's not a meme like Giorno's Theme, but I like how Stand Activated is playing in the background. 1:01 Glad someone still acknowledges Josuke's Secondary Theme.
Honestly, I think that Po passing on the torch on the fourth of a six-movie franchise is beyond stupid. We've already seen master shifu become to Po what Master Oogway was to shifu, so why is Po passing on the torch at such an early age? Shouldn't Po search for a team of future successors WAY before choosing the dragon warrior? Shouldn't at the very least Master shifu pass away before Po even considers passing on the torch? This movie should've been about either redeeming past villains or Po learning to be a master to a new team of warriors, NOT passing on the torch to a character we just met. If this was the case, then the fifth movie could be about grief or accepting death, as shifu slowly showed signs of old age, and after his passing, the last movie could be about passing on the torch, not only to the next dragon warrior, but to the next master of the dragon warrior. Hell, the next master could be tigress! She really deserves it.
Zhen became the next dragon warrior because WE GOTTA SHILL AWQUAFIIIIIIINA! Seriously, this DEI hire is quickly becoming an instant red flag whenever she's in a movie.
One thing I don’t get is why even bother worrying about stealing the other villains kung fu? Why wouldn’t you just steal the Kung Fu of the guy who beat them?
I'll do you one better, why not summon oogway from the spirit realm and steal his. And I don't wanna hear anyone say that's impossible cause he disappeared in the last movie, thats exactly what happened with kai but here we are.
"You knew Kung Fu Panda was a trilogy! You always knew. But when the Executives demanded otherwise, what did you do? What did you do?! NOTHING!" "Oh you want to release KFP4 so badly.... You think creating a new installment would be great for your company, fill some... crater, in your soul? Well here's your truth, Dreamworks is falling off." "Wait, it's working! No! No..! Hahahaha... No, it's not. Did Pixar teach you that little trick(toy story 4)? Too bad! It only works before the movie comes out."
Fr, ngl we should've gotten either tigress or atleast tai lung instead, since they both trained for the scroll but naw, just give it to the random character who knew some stuff about the villian and backstabbed the villian in the ending... l o g i c
Smh dragon warrior was a destiny thing,Po was always destined to be the dragon warrior. Tigress and tai lung at least are renowned fighters despite not being the dragon warrior
Even from a character view they wouldn’t take the title. Tai lung is considered to be evil and can’t really be redeemed, Tigress just wouldn’t take cause she doesn’t think she fits the role, she even accepted not being it and respects Po
Shen hated Po so much he let himself die instead of letting Po forgive him and joining him Even Kai makes no sense because he would never bow down to him. My man was fighting and collecting the chi of every single master in the spirit realm just to fight a guy who beat him 500 years ago. Theres no way someone that dedicated would bow down to a panda who killed him
Kai saw Oogway as a brother, but his lust for power was always there. By the time Oogway stood against him, he was long gone at that point. Even if they tried to redeem the villains, Kai is just as irredeemable as Shen. Not only was he denied the power to rule over all, but he was denied by someone he loved as a comrade.
Whats happening in Hollywood? It really feels like every single great movie series has been ruined one by one *on purpose* . They aren't just make mediocre sequels, they're destroying our heroes.
Hopefully this will teach you that your "heroes" are just corporate products and that you shouldn't attatch your identity and sense of self-worth to a product.
@@lazaroskarmaniolas7410 ...Looks like we have a Sherlock Holmes here.😅 I haven't financed Hollywood in years. My rhetorical question was precisely to stimulate critical thinking about why they're deconstructing the works and "heroes" of cinema (obviously an expression for popular characters that masses like and who're generally a reflection of the moral state of society or vice-versa, not "role models in life" ), hopefully leading to the issue of neurolinguistic manipulation and how the world's biggest propaganda machine is preparing young people for the value-inverted and culturally babylonian society of "Gr3at R3s3t" (and at this point I'm not even talking about that movie, which is an almost harmless example of that aversion to the heroic and responsible male leader figure - You can start by looking at what Disney is doing). I'm glad you can easily use your apparent self-expressed anti-capitalist intellectual and emotional dominance to see this bigger picture tho. 😬
It's happening that most series we know are becoming quite old and new Inexperienced people are now working on the shows, i would give em 3-4 years props.
It feels like studios are doing what they can to kill legacy movies, in order to force people to look elsewhere, hoping people lose interest and competition. It just feels too coincidental how so many movies are ruined lately. Another movie put to the "never existed/fanfiction" story.
I lowkey expected Tai Lung to be the next dragon warrior via a redemption arc (him and Po against the chameleon), Po reteaching him Kung fu and a final fight between him and Po in full Puss vs Death style. I was disappointed to see that it was just a cliché animated film with cliché characters and shit villain that shat on the trilogy
I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees a uncanny resemblance to Star Wars, I genuinely hope that it doesn’t meet the same fate as Star Wars because like you this was one franchise of my favorite franchise as a kid.
@@antonypastrikos7036 that’s if they hire the same director or someone like him, I hope the Co-Director gets her chance to direct the next one since she wanted this movie to actually be good.
@@ZG2008I have seen some comments pointing out the differences between the director and the co-director but I'm uninformed on this issue. Sadly I don't think meritocracy will prevail, it would however be a blessing and a breather in these trying times. Here's to a not so shitty kfp5 and kfp6..
The most infuriating thing is that Po is never allowed to mature. He grows in power, but Shifu, who really, REALLY should've stepped down by now, comes along, tells him that he hasn't fulfilled his destiny yet and basically resets the previous movie. I think Shifu is the bigges problem at this point. He contributes nothing but lords over everyone else because Ugway gave him a stick once.
The worst part was tigress. It’s literally the point of the first film that a child who is not accepted by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth. Tai lung was stepped over and it was dangerous…. So then they decided to do it all all of the 5 at the same time…
What I hated is that EVERY OTHER VILLAIN at least had some personal connection to Po,that made the fights a lot more epic, Tai lung was refused the position as Dragon warrior and had the same master as Po, Kai was an old friend of Po's master's master, Shen Literally committed GENOCIDE on his people, not Chameleon tho just some boring villain who's only connection is a plot device
Very good point, no wonder we all felt key points missing from this extremely horrific contraption of a movie. Quite disappointed after watching it in cinema today after patiently waiting 2+ years 😔
@@bymistakeonly It really was, I was only 10 when that movie came out. And oh boy we took those 3 for granted. The jokes, the writing, the quality oh man it’s good enough that even now as a teenager I still love them. 4 though? It’s what you’d expect from a movie called “Kung Fu Panda.” Enjoyable for kids, not so much for adults.
@@witherverse1351 po beat Tai Lung because as Mantis said earlier in the movie, they can’t hit his nerves due to his fat, and his Kung Fu was so different from any usual styles it confused him
@@LOL-bs1hg yeh I know, I understand I enjoyed the movie, but Chameleon had a lot of potential as a villain, but ended up being the weakest part of the movie, and the weakest kung fu panda movie villain
@@witherverse1351 If po was not so fat, Tai Lung would of beat the brakes off po. Tai Lungs name means great dragon and he is one of shifus greatest students because he trained so hard that his bones cracked, and all of that just to get bested by an obese bear is just bullshit.
Fun Fact: the director didn't want to give The Chameleon and Zhen Backstories. And by the time the rest of the crew finally convinced him, it was basically too late.
When you mentioned Tai Lung's would-be redemption arc, it actually fits in well with the overall theme of the franchise. Reconcile with yourself (1), reconcile with your past (2), reconcile with your future (3), and reconcile with your foes (4). Kai and Lord Shen would probably fail, but not the leopard. This franchise could have been an ever-deepening dive into forgiveness and acceptance of one's reality. Instead, we got an insecure magic gecko and a fox with three braincells.
Also Oogway is in the spirit realm. Imagine if it established that Oogway found Tai Lung and tried to help him in the spirit realm before he gets brought back to the mortal world.
Just picture: the Chameleon keeps impesonating Po´s closest allies and loved ones to the point where he doesn´t know who he can trust anymore, and is forced to partner up with his first enemy of all people.
Hold on, a movie about Tai Lung's redemption interwoven Tigress' rise into the next Dragon Warrior would've been the perfect mix of "the obvious continuation" for the fans and a huge pool of love and passion from the people making the movies.
They really did not need any extra characters. In fact, they didnt even need Zhen. The Chameleon in concept is a cool villain. I think she woulda been the only new character that would add something. Zhen was so unnecessary and Awkafina is the least funny character along with Dwyane Johnson. My problem with her in Kung Fu Panda 4 is that she never has a funny aura and she tries to be funny in her dialogues and ends up overdoing it. And those crooks zhen hangs out with underground in Juniper City did not need to be there. The Tavern scene was unnecessary. Maybe The movie did not need all the furious 5 characters back but it would have been better if Tigress became Po's successor as Dragon Warrior fighting the Chameleon. On top of that, one of the things that makes the kung fu panda trilogy awesome is that both po and the villain struggle from similar issues (identity crisis in 1, family trauma in 2, and the desire to attain chi in 3). The difference is that while the villains never understand how to overcome those issues, Po does and comes out victorious. Imagine Kung Fu Panda being one where Tigress was also heavily doubted as a kung fu master along with Chameleon and Tigress, like Po, overcomes that struggle while Chameleon does not. Idk but something like that would have made the movie a lot better. And the Chameleon should have been as menacing as she appeared but was not. Overall, the movie was very mid and could have used better storylines and such. But I think Zhen's character and Awkafina's inability to be a good voice actor made the movie much worse than it was. I hope dreamworks sees this and keeps Akwafina as far away from voice acting as possible and also fixes the Kung Fu Panda franchise.
I thought the same too. With most of the Furious Five so severely underdeveloped, they really would've benefited from more screentime in this new movie, rather than having it stolen by a completely different character nobody has any reason to care about.
The movie feels even worse after you consider how much hype we got thinking all the previous villains would join each other, form a villain group and fight Po and furious 5 together, or perhaps join forces and fight the chameleon. Nope, they got two minutes of screen time in total.
Its even worse when you realise that the co-director, Stephanie, wanted the other characters to be in the movie, but the director ignored her and she was treated like a nobody by the crew despite being the only person trying to save the movie
@@freddyfastbear5928 unfortunately, the damage has been done 😢. Unless they can take the movie off of streaming and remake it. But I don’t know if that’s possible.
Either Tai Lung or Tigress deserved to be the dragon warrior. How perfect it would've been, can't even imagine. Nah but they decided to introduce a completely new and annoying female character whose behavior is same as of any other typical feminist archetype, and decided to made her the dragon warrior. Imagine having trained for over years, day and night and still not being chosen for the position that deserved you the most. How f**ed up(That was for you Tigress)
I sorta get what they were going for. They could have made a couple of changes for the better tho. Heres my little rewrite: *ACT 1:* the start of the movie is basically the same. We see Tai Lung breaking through a jail/ army but we just see the aftermath. Cut to shifu recieving the message that Tai Lung has returned. Concerned he rushes to po whos meditating in the blossom tree area. He tells po that Tai Lung has returned which makes po excited. "Alright! We havent had any big bad guys in a while!". Shifu gets angry and tells po that its serious and that he should treat it seriously. Po retorts that as the dragon warrior its his job to kick butt. Shifu tells him that hes not just the dragon warrior anymore, hes the spiritual leader of the valley of peace like oogway Po tells shifu that hes not oogway, and that he doesnt even know what being a spirtual leader means. He thought it was just meditating under the tree. Shifu explains that, life is like the cherry blossom tree. The seed is planted, grows, and eventually the tree dies. The leafs become one with the wind, the bark becomes home to insects and a new seed is planted which becomes the new tree. Oogway tells po maybe its time for him to move on and ascend higher as a master/teacher. Its time for him to plant a seed, and choose a new Dragon Warrior. Po is obviously conflicted. Being a kung fu master is all hes ever wanted. Its all he wants to do, he doesnt known how nor wants to be a leader like oogway. He goes to talk to tigress about it Tigress is now a caretaker at an orphanage. She works with kids and is surprisingly less grouchy. She hugs po when she sees him (fan service) and he tells her everything. She tells po that maybe shifu is right. Oogway chose a successor and moved on so why shouldn't po? Heres the first big twist of the story so far: through their conversation its revealed that po has been the dragon warrior for 10 years, and thay the furious 5 have retired, and disbanded in those times of peace. They each moved somewhere else except tigress which is still really close with po -----------‐---------------------------- *EXPLANATION:* If you didnt notice, the start of this movie is a mirror of the 1st movie but from the perspective of po who is in oogways position now. Its important to notice that i flipped the chsracter arc position of each character. Po was a loser who dreamt of doing something great, and a beginner in KFP1, but here he starts as an experienced kung fu legend that doesnt wanna stop. The furious 5 were pos icons in the peak of their primes in the 1st movie but here they are retired and disbanded. Tigress was a cold kung fu master training to be the dragon warrior also unwilling to listen to po, but here shes open and stopped fighting. Even mr Ping Retired to spend his time traveling with pos 2nd dad. Its a mirror of the 1st movie but everything is presented the complete opposite on purpose. In this re write KFP4 is the last installment of the po era. Its meant to be a send off to the characters but also a thank you to the fans. If you didnt catch it the theme here (like in the one we got) is moving on. The audience grew up and so did the characters. Back to the plot: -----------‐----------------------------- Po seems to agree with tigress. The whole ceremony to choose the dragon warriors stays the same, minus the screaming goat. Po cant move on from being the DW so he goes back to being that. He catches the Zhen stealing from the palace, she fights himoverwhelms her and emprisons her easily. The difference here is she beats po by taking advantage of his naive nature. She convinces him to take her on to go find tai lung (chameleon) *SIDENOTE:* The 1st movie was abour po being put in a physical test. Here he beats zhen physically but she outwits him. Like shifu said: fighting with your hands isnt the only form of combat. There are non physical ways to win a physical battle. We deconstructed the 1st movies core idea *ACT 2:* Similar to Kung Fu Panda 2, this act will focus on Po and Zhen traveling together. This is used to build up Zhens character. In this re write shes a good fighter but her style isnt unique. Its very logical and linear. But shes smart and uses her wit and instincts to overcome obstacles. Shes a foil to KFP1 Po who mastersd kung fu and beaf tai lung by using his body to fight, and unorthodox learning, while Zhen uses her strategy, linear thinking and wit. KFP1 po had confidence issues, Zhen doesnt (shes an experienced thief). Po let the natural flow of thinfs carry him, but she cant do that. Zhen reveals her back story and here its basically the same. The only change is po acknowledges that maybe he does need to move on. The cherry blossom seed scene happens but here Zhen shuts it down by saying shes amready at peace with who she is. They are who they are, theres no reason to change that. Po being set on being a "spiritual leader" even offers to adopt her as an apprentice to eventually become a master at jade palice. This act will flesh out Zhens character. She does objectively wrong things like being a theif but shes at peace. Thats her identity She can be a likeable one tho through witty humor. The act ends with po finding tai lung but its the real tai lung. He tells po he didnt do it, but wont mind fighting him again. The fight isnt as important but here we introduce the chameleon. Turns out she set everything up to bring po and tai lung so they could fight and tire each other out Here we make another change: she needs pos chi to open up the spirit world and summon all the kung fu masters so she can take their skills. Her motivations need to change. Thats why here shes again very similar to po. She started out as the loser like po. But she had no sifu, no oogway, no furious 5, no scroll, no Mr. Ping. In KFP2 po found himself. So in her we deconstruct it by asking : what if po didnt have all these leaders and mentors? Thats Zhen. A person just as motivated as Po was but who didnt have the same fortunate people to guide her so she turned to chi/sorcery based Kung Fu instead of learning and going through a journey like po. She wants to absorb pos "scroll powers" Chameleon steals tai lungs abilities. When backed unto a corner Zhen runs away leaving po to be beat. Similar to KFP2 Po makes a final stand. Po tells Chamemeon that there is no scroll powers. This makes Chameleon remark that if there is no power than she'll make her own by stealing every masters abilities to become a real dragon warrior. Using clever illusions and disguising herself as Zhen Chameleon manages to beat po and steal his abilities/chi. The chameleon leaves a powerless po and tai lung as they are no longer threats. Po encounters Zhen who came back for him. She hugs him but this time po pushes her away and not sure if shes another one of chameleons tricks, but also upset that she didnt change. They talk and Zhen says goodbye. po remarks that they are who theybare and they cant change that. They part ways. The last scene of this act is Chameleon absorbing the skills of every Kung Fu master and preparing to go absorb the rest of the overworld masters -----------‐----------------------------- *EXPLANATION:* Kung fu panda 2 ended with finding Inner peace and the main villain dying due to not being able to let go and be at peace. This act is the opposite. Po is broken and in turmoil not trusting anything. Zhen had inner peace at the fact that she was a thief who didnt do any good and only cared abt herself. Her conflict between staying the same self centered thief or trying to change breaks her inner peace. Again this is a foil to how KFP2 ends and a deconstruction of the emotional test
*ACT 3:* Po and Tai Lung have an awkward silent moment. Po breaks the silence by trying to talk to Tai Lung. Tai asks po in a annoyed manner why he still acts nice and light-hearted towards him to which po explains that he has no reason not to. Before he leaves po tells tai lung that a flower will never blossom if it stays inside the seed Po goes and sits by a pond. After looking at a reflection of himself that is distorted from the rippled water he thinks back to sifus inner peace training. He notices the dried up tree and grass where he sits and how on the other side of the pond its green and flowers are blooming. He realizes how much not moving on has held him back and finally understands the tree metaphor. He does the inner peace tear drop thingy but this time with leaves forming the yin yang logo. He needs to see from a new perspective he needs to see differently. From here on its his battle against shens army. Unlike KFP3 he does not have people supporting him, so he uses logical reasoning to sneak into Chameleonslobby. They begin to fight and at first they are evenly matched. Eventually chameleon starts gaining the upper hand by and cornering po. Thats when Zhen flys in along with the furious 5 together. Tai lung joins later Chameleon makes zombie clones of villain po has faced and sends their way. Massive fight breaks leading to a 1v1 between po and the chameleon. Chameleon starts shapeshifting and using illusions but this time po can see through it by reading the spirit. Blah blah fight blah blah theh win blah blah po realizes that he does indeed need to move on, but also decides Zhen is the perfect dragon warrior which surprises everyone (ESPECIALLY sifu). Master sifu reveals that he will leave since his mission is done and he ascends into the spirit world. Po asks tigress to take sifus place and she agrees. The furious 5 give Zhen her first lessons before saying goodbye to Po. The final scene is the sapling of the Blossom tree that sprouted -----------‐----------------------------- *EXPLANATION:* This one is very straightforward. Kung Fu Panda 3 was about the battle of spirit and self identity. We'll deconstruct this by diving into what it means to move on and what it means for each character. Po moves on by accepting the role of leader and understanding that dightingisnt always about punching. He understands the need of a leader who can guide people (from his experience with the chameleon and Zhen) Zhen moves on by accepting that just because she grew up and liked living in a self centered manner, it doesn't make it right. It alsk doesnt have to be her. She can be more. She becomes mkre by being the dragon warrior The Chameleon looses because she couldnt move on. Again shes basically a what if for po in this universe. That leads to her being left behind. *LASTLY WHY I KEPT ZHEN AS THE NEW DRAGON WARRIOR:* We deconstructed all 3 movies and flipped them on their heads. Since the theme is abt moving on and change what vetter way then ending the series with po changing what rhe dragon warrior is? Zhen is not a good candidate for the opposite reasons po was not. Po had no skill but he had passion and a good kind heart from the start. Zhen was set up as a bad person. She had the skills just didnt use them for good. Here she can be a dragon warrior that will have more empathy. Po changed the frame of the dragon warrior so naturally he needs a balance. Someone who is more logical and the opposite of him personality wise. That would be Zhen here. Also i tried conveying it but the whole story is a parallel to how we grew up and moved on with our lives. So did the characters Also the tigress and po thing is purely friendship. I wanted to end their story arcs somewhere that showed progress but also made sense. Tigress statted out hating po, she was hard to deal with, and wouldnt talk. How fitting is it for her to not only be helping him on hos own journey but to have him as a equal. Po completed his journey as the dragon warrior. He fought for justice, changed his piers for the better and managed to find a worthy disciple. If you look at the actual movies, po has always been changing people for the better. So thats the best way to end his story: him and his best friend (who used to he his idol) going together on more adventures to better their world
Honestly, I’m glad that dreamworks is at least calling kfp4 part of “a new trilogy”. That way, we can just ignore its existence once the rest of the trilogy comes out and only care about the good ones, just like Star Wars.
Po choosing Tigress would have made so much sense and would have worked way better. 1. He already idolizes her (also has a crush on her). 2. She already deserved the title the most in the first film, and now even more so. (key word being deserve here) 3. She is the peak at physical Kung Fu, but where she always fell short was the spiritual side due to her upbringing and emotional neglect. This is where Po and her are completely different. Po could be the one to help her overcome her upbringing, connect more with the world. This way, we are shown that Po is able to function as a spiritual leader and Tigress' character finally gets the development and spotlight she deserves.
@@73chenj By him accepting that he is not the dragon warrior is the only way to redeem himself. Not only that, he demonstrated numerous times how he doesn't deserve it
Why does po even need a successor rn. He’s only in his 20s it’s not like he’s old asf and can’t be dragon warrior anymore. (Also I thought the dragon warrior was something like the avatar where the title passes when the previous one dies, but that was prolly just me making assumptions) 😭 this story would make atleast a bit more sense if it took place way in the future
The fact that tai lung was not the next dragon warior is the biggest miss of all times since it would have been perfect for him, but instead we got 2:30
I would've been perfectly fine if they had Po offer Tai Lung the role of Dragon Warrior, only for him to decline and say that he realises he has his own life to live and will make the world better without needing to be the dragon warrior. Tigress Could've 100% received that title, and to satisfy the mid writer that decided Zhen should be the dragon warrior, lets have Zhen join the furious five or something, in place of Tigress
I really hate the idea of Tai Lung being the Dragon Warrior. A Tai Lung redemption is a good idea, but his being the Dragon Warrior would undo the first movie.
People have their rating systems entirely skewed people think 7/10 is mid , others think 5 is god awful and so forth, standards are so weird and yeah this movie sucked but people have a hard time saying something is just bad
This is why I stopped rating things. There’s nothing wrong with using a rating to try and build familiarity with the creator but this movie and other recent things I’ve found difficult to rate. It would be between a 2 and a 5 for me though.
@@Ezdubsquestion think of it a short for "middle". It's not a terrible movie, but it doesn't spark anything or make you think any differently about it. It's just *there.* Unfortunately, this movie sounds like a desecration of its preceding films and by no means is it anything higher than atrocious.
Man, this is just sad. If they wanted to make something like passing down the torch there were 2 fascinating characters that they just "forgot" that could take the role. Tigress: I mean, in theory, if Poh, didn't fall from the sky she'd be THE one. She'd be A MILLION times more interesting than Zhen and we could deepen way more her character if they added some sort of conflict with Poh in the sense that maybe she was still a bit jealous that he became the dragon Warrior instead of her. (And don't even tell me that she "can't have that" because she already reached inner peace by the second movie. Bullshit, they quite literally changed Poh's character from the conclusion and acceptance he got from the last movie, they can bend Tiggress to have this resentment she needs to let go.) Tailung: Simply what a powerful story of redemption it'd be if Tailung got all of his kungfu stolen by the chameleon and Poh found him in the real world re-teaching everything he learned throughout the movie, while he learns forgiveness. I don't know what DreamWorks was thinking, all I know is that I want a bit of what they were smoking.
If you wanna go in character, tai lung wouldn’t take it because towards the end he sends Po his regards, and can see why Po became the dragon warrior and not him, so no tai lung is to far to be redeemed. While Tigress would probably be a better option of the two, she just isn’t mentally fit for the role. She was aggressive towards Po and envied him in some moments. Granted she gets better in kp3, but she did come to odds not being the dragon warrior, so probably wouldn’t take the role if it was an option
I was waiting for a 'redemption' arc for Tai since they announced KFP3, even though he was actually evil in the first movie. Imagine if he's forced to go along with Po and slowly learning to respect him and accepting why he's not the Dragon Warrior. What a waste of a great nuanced character.
When you bring back old villains, it can still be interesting so long as you give them character and new trials to overcome. What they did for this movie was nothing more than light fan service
@@1roxyfan491 For a stand alone movie it's mid. Just going through the motions of a plot with nothing unique or thoughtful about it. But for a continuation of a preexisting story it's definitely bad- failing to follow the internal logic set up by previous movies. None of the characters feel like themselves. Shifu's not the kind to abandon logic and blindly follow destiny. You should only retire when you're no longer in your prime. And wisdom is gained through experience so cutting off Po's journey is completely illogical. Tai Lung's hatred was built over many years and resolved within 2 minutes, without even directly interacting with Po. Chameleon's backstory is debunked within THIS movie, let alone the other ones.
@@sambreyer7344no they make it mid if the movie was truly bad it wouldn't have gotten an audience score on rotten tomatoes of 83% and a critic score of 72.
I have to disagree that Zhen is like Nimona(the Netflix one). Nimona has personality. She ain’t monotonal like Asha from Wish, Captain Marvel, and other Mary Sue. Heck, she even got development when she got betrayed by Gloreth(and seemingly by Ballister). Meanwhile, Zhen got training from Chameleon but she was made Dragon Warrior for no reason at all. The writers just put her there like a placeholder where Nimona is the cause of the story, the existence of the wall and to proceed the plot further. Without her, Ballister wouldn’t have a chance in the netflix movie.
Exactly. I agree that Kung Fu Panda was bad, but when he said Zhen was like Nimona, I was confused because the Nimona I remember is an actual well written character.
Here’s my rewrite: First, the Tai Lung scene at the beginning. Still have him crush all of Chameleon’s minions, but add Zhen to the fight to establish her early. Then show Chameleon’s sorcerous powers as a natural counter to Kung Fu used in a simple, battle-oriented manner as Tai Lung performs it, so she can win in a reasonable way. Then Tai Lung manages to escape after losing his power and reluctantly decides to track down Po, the only person he’s willing to consider arguably stronger than himself, so that he can take revenge and retrieve his stolen power. He replaces Zhen’s role, acting as the opposite of Po’s personality, trying to resolve every encounter with violence (in place of Zhen’s roguery). Rather than Po somehow needing to learn peace, it’s Tai Lung, and Po is the one trying to teach him. Zhen is a recurring minor antagonist throughout the film who uses trickery, cunning and traps to try hindering their progress, but is ultimately foiled at every turn by both Tai Lung’s ferocity and battle prowess as well as Po’s wisdom and good nature. These are the ways to show the parallels. As an example, Zhen hires local criminals in a city, Tai Lung beats the mooks within an inch of their lives, while Po befriends their leader, who decides to turn over a new leaf, taking his groaning and injured subordinates off to do good deeds instead. Have a gag where Tai Lung shows disgust and says he’d never let himself be “redeemed” like that while Po just looks at him with an expression reminiscent of Oogway. Then over the course of the movie he can actually go through enough character development to become redeemed, most likely at the end. Show that Po is noticeably stronger than the Chameleon, but needs to use his abilities carefully lest he cause collateral, or maybe she says the stolen abilities will die with her, so Tai Lung keeps insisting Po hold back because the entire reason he recruited him was to regain his powers. We can then have Po take an arguably suboptimal and obviously foolish decision to save Tai Lung’s life during the final fight which costs him his own Kung Fu, making their shared enemy stronger than ever before (evil Po now having a reason to exist as a design) but inspires his old foe to awaken his inner strength and surpass even his old stolen powers. Tai Lung then defeats the Chameleon by using a more spiritual form of Kung Fu like what Po had in KFP3, eventually becoming recognized as the next Dragon Warrior ONLY when he finally lets go of his ambitions and begins to respect Po. He can with great reluctance say something like, “Perhaps I was wrong after all… You really were worthy to be the Dragon Warrior.” He bows as in the movie, then Po bows back and says, “No. *You* are the Dragon Warrior now. You’ve earned it.” Choosing his old foe, now friend as his successor. Like, I get that it’s a bit cheesy, but I think it’d be a lot better than what we got while still maintaining the same cast, themes and premise.
You touched on a very logic point. Why couldn't the next Dragon Warrior be Tigress?! It would at least make sense! Plus, DreamWorks really p1ssed people off lately. They released one of the best US animated movie of the decade: Puss in Boots 2, the Last Wish. It's a sequel of the sequel that follows a secondary character from Shrek. And it's sublime. The movie was crafted with so much care, passion, sensitivity, humor and wit. It got praised by critics, the public, fans, content creators all over the world. And the movie was also a financial success. *What's a bigger green flag than that to keep investing in great sequels?!* Especially now that major players like Disney and Pixar are missing the mark badly? I'm pretty sure they could delay the release of Megamind 2 and Kung Fu Panda 4 to improve these films, make them with high quality. I'm also pretty sure the public would be ok with waiting longer to watch a good movie of their beloved franchise than to witness a hurried release of a bad movie that starts a series of crappy movies of that same franchise. GEE, DREAMWORKS GET YOURSELF TOGETHER!
Could've been a redemption movie for Tai lung, who manages to escape the spirit realm by beating the shit out of the chameleon, and goes on a redemption arc with Po to eventually become the dragon warrior, and the two of them could take on the chameleon once she's more powerful after taking Kai's chi or smthn idk
@@PA071N3 Sounds good, but the whole Po and Tai Lung friendship sounds forced, and making Tai Lung the Dragon Warrior would undo and ruin all of 1 and 3. Just make Po the leader of the Valley of Peace, but keep him as the Dragon Warrior. Tai Lung just lives there now, I guess.
Finally, an opinion I agree with! I've seen so many RUclips videos reviewing Kung Fu Panda 4 and calling it mid or just existing, but I truly believe it is a horrible movie. The fact that the Furious 5 don't have any lines, the fact that the chameleon doesn't have any interesting motivations, the fact that the first three movies have themes in body, mind and soul while this one has nothing. It truly has the same feel that Megamind 2 does, just another movie from a popular franchise that greedy corpos want to milk for money
i'm actually going insane. the body-mind-soul thing is the dumbest interpretation of a piece of media that I have heard in my life. like, it is laughably bad. how the fuck did anyone even come up with this?
Why are so many franchises making such similar decisions? Why does every beloved character have to suddenly retire and hand off their title, powers, etc. etc. to characters who we never knew, are extremely unlikable, somehow powerful already (depending on the situation), and honestly feel like self inserts or something? Can they not just make their own decisions?
The main thing about this movie was that it was too convenient. The villains were back quickly including Kai? It was too safe and predictable. I still enjoyed it regardless
Tbh as weird as it is Illumination have actually been doing better than Dreamworks this year. While they didn’t make Kung Fu Panda 4, they’re making the real Megamind 2 with Gru & JackJack put in for good measure.
@@MarcoAnaya-ks7bp yep, that’s the reason why I believe DM4 is the real Megamind sequel, as it actually has much better animation & also Will Ferrell playing as the villain.
If this is supposed to be a new trilogy, you don't pass the torch on the character's first appearance. If this trilogy had to be made, make the fox thing earn it. Torch passes can work, but like you said more often than not the character who is given the torch is unworthy and unlikeable.
Po was given the title of Dragon Warrior before he 'earned' it. Same thing with the fox here. When Oogway saw Po for the first time, he somehow just knew that Po was the DW. Though Po isn't as wise as Oogway, I think the universe worked to let Po meet the fox, and then he just KNEW that she was the right one. As Shifu told him, "When you know, you know".
You can't disrespect Tai Lung like that. He was literally the best Villain out of them all and they just brought him back to instantly lose? The new villian has to completely outshine the best and that never happened.
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When I hear Mid, I think that means acceptable. A movie that isn’t bad but doesn’t really leave an impression. A movie that is watchable but not much else. But I think this movie is far too harmful to the franchise to be considered mid. It’s character assassination for almost every returning character and also breaks a lot of the world building. The movie isn’t unwatchable but I think that it causes too much damage to the franchise for people to be okay with it.
I think Tai Lung should have had a redemption of sorts in this movie. Have Po offer Tai Lung the role of being the next Dragon Warrior, but then have Tai Lung decline, since he now accepts and understands that it isn't his right nor was it ever his destiny to be the Dragon Warrior. Also Tigress should have been the next Dragon Warrior instead of Awkwafina.
tbf, I think people say mid because the animation was fine
the music was fine
still mid
@@ok-rn4bo Personally I don’t like the idea of Tai Lung becoming the next dragon warrior because he is dead. I don’t think they should just allow characters to come back to life by leaving the spirit world and never returning.
@@rafezapwell thats your opinion and i respect it i havent watched it yet but i might like it
Telling Poh to retire, while he's like 21-23 is wild💀
fr fr fr
My thoughts exactly
Life speedrun any% "Retirement ending"
Now you know what it's like to be a top tier soccer player
he's supposed to be the "teacher now" which makes absolutely no sense.
Tigress is the Most disrespected character in History
- Orphan
- no one wanted to adopt her
- no friends and isolated in the orphanage
- Tries hard to win Shifu's affection as her daughter
- Lost Dragon Warrior to a random guy.
- took a random guy one montage to be stronger than her
- irreverent in KungFuPanda4
- rejected as dragon warrior for 2nd time, even though she has mature
KF Panda 4 would have been SO much better if it was about Po teaching Tigress to relate more to the normal populace that she holds a small level of resentment for, and the Chameleon pushes Tigress' buttons by transforming into the people who abandoned and failed her. Teaching that being the Dragon Warrior isn't about being the greatest martial artist, but the best person who can use martial arts to protect those who need it.
Then have a bit of contrasting story with Tai Lung, Shen, and Chameleon where Tai Lung is slowly realizing this lesson while Shen is being a dick as usual and plotting well with Chameleon as a pair of evil assholes who make Tai Lung see that they are not what he wants to become.
@@joshuakim5240 every alt plot ive seen in this comments section is better than the real one
FR justice for Tigress
@@menhguinTHIS.
Every single suggestion in this comment section is much more interesting than the whole fucking movie.
@@menhguinIt’s sad that a bunch of random people online have greater talent that the actual people getting paid to release slop like this. The literal only difference is passion, the fanbase is passionate about wanting a genuinely good story with and for the characters they’ve been following for years. I refuse to believe there isn’t some kind of large scale intent to all of this. It almost feels like sabotage, like nobody misses this hard with such well-loved movie franchises this frequently and in almost the exact same way over and over again without some kind of intent.
-No Furious Five
-Mediocre villain with nonsensical backstory
-Ruins the villains of the first three films
-Po is forced to retire despite the fact that he is still young
-Akwafina
the furious 5 has always been a fraud, they are the fraudulent 5
Litteraly a recipe for disaster
dont forget chameleon steals others kung fu but is still weaker then them :/ dont forget she couldnt learn kung fu bc of her form but a damn snake and a mantis did it okay... fox thief becomes a new dragon warriror.. okay it cant get much worse.. po has to retire.. brah no backstory for a villian? okay.. nothing add to the kfp franchise.. okay.. doesnt show her evilness till the end and pushes some random guy off the floor..
Remember oogway became dragon warrior when he was old as shit
For coming eight years after the third movie this movie was poorly thought out and executed. I think Fans could have done a better job at writing the script. And they actually had the audacity to say that this was the best movie in the franchise.
Ways to make this movie good:
1: Replace Zhen with Tigris
2: Have Tae Lung's fight start in the beginning, then let him escape and have a redemption arc
3: Let the freaking artist's do their thing
and i though Tai Lung would be perfect, and just making him the protagonist or major role instead of... this.
Tigris feels like fan-service BUT i'll accept it.
They did the furious 5, Tai lung, and master shi Fu so dirty
@@PB-eh8ibgeneral kai and lord shen were done dirty too as they don’t have their voice actors. shen’s only sound was two peacock noises. which sucks too because i really liked lord shen, by far my favorite villain in the kfp franchise. are you kidding me???
@@nikoskonstantinidis4069 Seriously, I would have preferred the Tai Lung scene at the beginning, except he escapes after losing his power and tracks down Po to enlist him for his revenge. Then over the course of the movie he can be redeemed, eventually becoming the next Dragon Warrior ONLY when he finally lets go of his ambition and begins to respect Po.
Also, cut Zhen entirely or leave her as a minor character in service of the Chameleon.
Hell yeah. I was SURE that Thai Lung will come to Po and warn about the Chamelion. Imagine scene with Thai Lung and Master Shifu. How he repent for what he did.
Kai was destroyed in the spirit realm at the end of the 3rd movie. He shouldn’t even be in this one cause he literally doesn’t exist lol
Something called "Fanservice" happened
All that does is support my theory that the timeline is split in 2 after the second movie.
Kai's Spiritual Essence was still there, not destroyed, and /or his chi was scattered around The Spirit Realm. That staff could put it back together.
Kai being here not only doesn't make sense but also irresponsibly nerfs and diminishes his established character. He can take people's Chi. What is stopping him from taking the chameleons? What is stopping the Chameleon from taking Po's Chi? And if anyone says 'well cause he isn't a spirit' bull crap cause that's what he becomes in the third movie a spirit warrior.
Edit: and what is EVEN FUNNIER is that they could have kung fu panda 4 if they actually played with the idea that Po IS a spirit warrior (thus immortal) and just made everyone else OLDER. Hell even SHIFU'S CHARACTER IS DIMINISHED cause he picked what FIVE STRANGERS? That Po has NEVER SEEN OR MET BEFORE as candidates to become the NEXT DRAGON WARRIOR?! THE FUCK?
I'd like to think of it as like his spirit "vomitted" all the chi because it was too much for him to handle the same way a stomach can't hold too much food
One of my biggest fears has come true. And it's that Puss in Boots 2 wasn't a sign of a new direction for Dreamworks, it was an anomaly.
I was so hopeful DreamWorks would air more masterpieces like Puss in Boots 2.
Its not an anomaly, its perfectly expected.
Dreamworks was always the hit AND miss studio, for each shrek 2 there's a shrek 3.
The next good dreamworks movie may come out in this very same year, in the name of "Wild Robot"
Let's just hope that the "Wild Robot" can be also an anomaly
This might be a Hot Take, but I believe that Puss in Boots 2 suffers the same problem as MM2 and KFP4 in where the movie misunderstood their own franchise. The Shrek world parodies fairytales by putting the characters into a realistic world, Puss in Boots 2 misunderstands that by using an art style that thrives on unrealism, making the setting a fantasy based on the character’s psychology instead of aspects of the real world, and worse of all, introducing a god-like deity along with dictators and manipulators that could actually exist in the real world. Puss in Boots 2 is good unlike the other 2 sequels just because it works as its own film
@@j.j.hector736 Shrek doesn't parody fairytales, but instead parody DISNEY. Shrek worked so well because of their subversion of expectations for disney fairy tale movies
However, the disney that Shrek parodied is not the same disney of today.
Puss in Boots is a great parody on modern Disney, from its inclusion of great villains (that disney seems to lack), to its reversion back to a 2d like art style, etc. Jack Hornet can even be seen as an allegory for modern day Disney, as he gobbles up other fairy tales like how Disney is buying out tons of different franchises and ips
The Kung Fu Panda trilogy was the perfect representation of body, mind and soul. Po in the first learns how to accept himself as a fighter, Po learns to deal with his past in the second, and Po gains the spirit of the dragon warrior in the third. What makes the fourth the worst is that Po never learns anything. Its just another boring, rushed, cash grab "adventure" that gives the studio an excuse to run this franchise to the ground.
In the 1st one , he faces against Shifu's past , in the 2nd one he faces against his own past and in the 3rd he faces against Oogway's past .
It’s like the shrek trilogy, we all just collectively agree that one of the movies doesn’t exist
@@jacobna2080fr, why do they always ruin it with the fourth movie? I bet you if HTTYD gets a fourth one it'll be dog shit.
@@aminfaka8986What is HTTYD
for the love of god please stfu about the trinity thing. it makes absolutely no sense. like, not even a little bit.
Remember guys:
If you think that a movie ruined the franchise, just forget about it or pretend that it's just a fanfic/it doesn't exist.
There's no pacific rim 2
There's no jurrasic park 3
There's no megamind 2
And there's no queen of Eng...
... I mean, kung fu panda 4
megamind 2 is a crime against humanity
I've been calling it "Fung Pu Kanda 4" to avoid acknowledging its relation to the original trilogy
Jurassic World is a different franchise for Jurassic Park (almost 0 connection).
lol i don't consider the 2019 little women an adaptation of the book, i call it greta gerwig's fanfic
Jurassic Park 3 is underrated. It’s the Jurassic world movies we need to ignore
Here’s how you fix the Chameleon:
1) Give her a damn name.
2) Instead of an in-universe contradiction, make it that she never had the courage to actually do kung-fu herself and thus needed guises.
3) Make her able to take forms through observation, not random vore magic. Thus leading to:
4) Have her only have brought Tai Lung back in the beginning as her anti-Dragon Warrior weapon, with the intention of using him to be able to witness Po’s abilities in full. Ultimately leading to
5) Po being her ultimate objective because _at the end of 3, he was the most powerful kung-fu Master on the planet, leader of the Valley of Peace and, rightfully by 2, should be a hero renown throughout all of China._ Having his strength thereby, in her mind, making her the strongest.
A villain with weakness, vice, an actual plan that progresses through the film and an end goal that aligns without plot holes or retcons.
Cook 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Get this man as movie director asap
How do we fix Kai though?
Thats really fricking good man why do we have to live in the bad timeline
Exactly. I thought some kind "mimicking" ability would have been far more in par with the kung fu lore and interesting to explore instead of some "soul-absorbing-magic" (because as the video says: why doesn't she just one-shot Poe?).
Bro literally the whole point of the dragon warrior was that he was the ONLY one. It’s not that a generational thing. He was the first , and (supposed to be) the only.
precisely, I despise it when sequels directly contradict the lore just to expand it's lifespan when the second film should've concluded the entire franchise..
Oogway implied in the third that he was setting this up from the very beginning, that he saw the "future and past of kung fu" in Po, and that he was chosen for that exact reason. The effect of that has diminished quite a lot now, huh?
And why does have to do it now? Oogway was at the death’s door when he chose Po
Was he the first? I thought it was a "once-a-century prodigy" type thing.
This would be like if Aang had to choose the next Avatar… even though the avatar works via reincarnation
justice for Tigress, she is way more deserving of the Dragon Warrior role than Zhen
KFP1 told us again and again that the DW was never chosen based on who was the best trained in Kung Fu or who "deserved" it. That's the whole point of Po being chosen. It was never Tigress or Tai Lung's destiny to be the DW and they both learned to accept that.
Yet here we are, so many people are saying that Zhen didn't deserve it, Tigress and Tai Lung deserved it more etc. 😂😂
As Oogway once said, "You must believe".
@@siobhonc shitty take
@@siobhoncstill Po has been the DW for like 2 weeks, og way was for like 200 years? Wtf writers
@@u2boii878 Writers: We asked the universe and we believed. You must believe too.
@@siobhonc bro we arent in the fcuking movie
Apparently in an earlier draft, Tai Lung was supposed to be redeemed and finally become the dragon warrior
How were we robbed THIS badly?
Because Awquafina.
@@KrodaStagg Isn't she the girl from Bojack horsemen?
Female empowerment
We just live in the wrong timeline
Is it me or the universal studio has given to woke.
What's sad is that the co director wanted this movie to be more like 1st and 2nd one's bit wasn't allowed to since the main director had the control...
Yep and the director is the guy who Always think Animation is for kids kind of people AND HE GETS ALL THE CONTROL FOR THIS MOVIE whoever is the PR...... Thank god you don't touch other studios thx
He & Josh Cooley & others the same right?
I mean... this movie was a real fuck up in reviews. Dreamworks is insane if they dont switch up the main director.
Yeah this is why Gamingmagic13 was right about Toy story 4 & Incredibles 2 but that film was changed to the worse of retelling thanks to Josh & his film! So Incredibles 2 wasn't just a letdown but a victim of Toy story 4's Existence so now that film officially got something a tribute which is K.F.P 4!
Promote that co-director, I want kung fu panda 5 to be like kung fu panda 2 and 1
I love the Kung Fu panda Trilogy. It does kind of suck that it had to end at 3 but I'm glad they did, because I don't know about you but the fourth entry in a franchise is usually where the downhill starts. 100% Glad that a fourth movie does not exist.
hmmm…
Not sure why you said it doesn't exist
@2ButterdBiscuits not sure why you don't catch obvious jokes
wtf do u mean Kfp 3 was amazing but not as good as 1 and 2
@@TheProblemStarters306 I wouldn't say amazing, it had its share of flaws and the whole chi ordeal kinda broke the stricter martial art power system established before. Also kai is just not as compelling as tai lung or lord shen for a variety of different reasons. Overall a pretty good 7/10, but not amazing, like its forefathers with absolute 9-10/10s
6:44 Why is Shen in the spirit realm?! It is clearly established that only Kung Fu masters can enter. Shen is a great fighter but NOT a Kung Fu master! Shen wanted to destroy Kung Fu!
When was that established and by who
@@tonyhawksproskater2406 The third movie. I can't remember if its ever said since I watched the 3rd film when it came out so i was like 10. But its at least heavily implied
İ have an answer: Bad writing
you know that half the people in the spirit realm were crooks.
Shen was banished for 30 years he could have learnt kung fu in that time. He does use some kung fu maneuvers and he was a master swords man. maybe master swords man count as well?
@@AverageKaijuGamerHe wasn't. That's why he uses his cannons to compensate for his weak kung fu.
I remember when everyone was saying that Dreamworks was entering a golden age because of Puss in Boots the Last Wish.
Wow was everyone wrong.
I'm so glad someone else agrees that Po would have picked Tigress to be the next Dragon Warrior. There is no way that Po wouldn't pick Tigress, someone he's known and trained with for years and sees as a close friend, over some random fox girl that he first met trying to steal relics from the Hall of Heroes.
I mean oogway did pick a panda noodle seller who fell from the sky instead of one of the 5 kung fu masters in front of him but ok
@@witherverse1351 Oogway was also a wise kung fu master that knew Tai Lung couldn’t be stopped by any of the Furious Five, which Tai Lung escaping was why Oogway said they needed to choose the Dragon Warrior. He knew that it needed to be someone who could withstand Tai Lung’s powerful attacks, which Po excelled at thanks to his fatter physique. Po was also immune to his nerve strike since Tai Lung couldn’t find the right nerve points.
Now that Po is the one choosing a successor, he most likely would choose who he thought would be the best for protecting the Valley of Peace, and this would probably be Tigress. And while she was the complete opposite of Po’s fun-loving personality in the first movie, she has been shown to grow and be more relaxed in the later movies, instead of being brash and serious all the time like she was before meeting Po.
@@rezthefalcon yes but you could argue that would be boring from a story stand point
Or you could argue it's a dick move
Like she works 20 years to be chosen as the dragon warrior, instead a random panda gets chosen, obviously making her mad. She then would basically have to wait 5 years to be chosen as dragon warrior
If anything the problem is that shifu is forcing po to choose a new dragon warrior when it is 100% too early
This could've been fixed by establishing an amount of time has passed such as 5 or 10 years
Why do people think Tigress or Tai lung should be the dragon warrior? They’re both bad options and slaps the previous movies themes in the face
Based off Po, dragon warrior seems like it’s not solely a strength or experience thing, it’s more so personality and inner peace, which tigress lacks. Despite briefly being in the movie, she seems content about the role she plays. While she does improve personality wise through the movies she most likely wouldn’t take the role if offered to her.
It is told many times in the first movie that tigress is not destined to become the dragon warrior
I’m getting annoyed of hearing Aquafina in almost every movie.
How can someone with such a terribly annoying voice keep being hired as a voice actor?
I could make a drinking game about how many times Aquafina was in a movie.
I wouldnt, but I could
Ok hear me out. Don't watch any movie with her in it. Wild concept ik.
Its literally so easy to avoid shit movies.
she's not gonna hydrate you, bro@@monarchtherapsidsinostran9125
@@gegarisawsome2-wc8gywhy not buddy
Something that also fucking blows my mind is how now almost anyone can become the Dragon Warrior.
Tai Lung dedicated his whole life to it but wasn’t made for the role.
Same with tigress and she was colloquially known to become the next Dragon Warrior but NO!
Po shows up and throughout the movie we are shown how it is more than just training, dedication etc.
Someone literally has to be fated as the next successor to the title but all of a sudden a wolf/dog idk is just chosen.
Yea the scroll was blank and shows us that it is power within yourself, but with Shens vision, Pandas having innate talent for Chi, Oogway, we are shown how it is destiny at play.
There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy and there is no kung fu panda 4
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
It's wild that Dreamworks is simultaneously destroying its best franchise (KFP) while it made a phenomenal sequel to one of its most random spinoff films (Puss in Boots).
Does that mean they will ruin How to Train Your Dragon, and also make an amazing Madagascar Penguins movie?
I remember people liking Puss 1 more than Shrek 4 back in the day.
@@ThePreciseClimber puss in boots 1 was very underrated. It was pretty good. I only watched it for the first time sometime in the last 5 years after buying the Blu-ray from a thrift store.
They already ruined HTTYD
Neither is great, and neither is terrible. Those two are the definition of mid@@ThePreciseClimber
@@HydragonofDeath With what?
I hated how they nerfed all the villains.
Tai Lung was a mad fighting machine being able to destroy armies. You can hear Tai Lung's anger everytime he screams and when he says "Who denied me my destiny"
Shen was a guns-blazin' psycho maniac. He was toying with Po's emotion like a puppet. Allat for him to get absorbed in 2 seconds
Kai literally swept Po and made him tell the other pandas to run for their lives. I dont think a guy with that much power was caged that easily when he cut literal mountians
and somehow after stealing their kung fu SHE IS STILL WEAKER WOW
I do get why a super being would defeat shen. Despite his status in the fandom, he is the weakest villain physically in the entire franchise. This is because he doesn't have any special abilities. Even tai lung had those nerve stopping punches.
@@N.I.A23 Well yeah the point of Shen is that he wasn't a master of Kung Fu so he created a way to kill it through mechanization. So why is Shen in the spirit realm? Isn't it only for those with Chi and Kung Fu-ness? And if he is in the spirit realm, why would you bring him back, hes got no moves that none of the others have.
It was so jarring to see them but not have them speak. It breaks the fourth wall, reminding you they couldn't afford the voice actors
@@sambreyer7344 Well he did have some kung fu training as he was able to do a few maneuvers like kicks and swipes. Plus half the guys that came out the spirit realm in the film were just crooks.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the 3rd film, mainly because it didn't hit the emotional levels like the first two films did, but this 4th installment just makes it look like a masterpiece by comparison. I was onboard with this franchise being six films but after a few years since the 3rd movie's release, I was at peace with there only being a trilogy. Now, I really wish that was the case.
Exactly my thoughts
9:57 So Zhen was actually a villain and gets chosen as the dragon warrior but Tai Lung never gets chosen despite how wronged he was and his original passion for the title? okey dreamworks, makes sense....
Or Tigress, come on!
I'm perplexed about why they make the Kung Fu Panda 2 villain bow to Pou
That mf would never pay respect to anything that isn't a mirror, he's too much of a narcissist to bow down to the guy that beat him of a species he tried to eradicate, wtf
It wasn't even narcissism, the dude had such a hatred of the panda race because of the prophecy and as a result he tried to eradicate them. Seeing po, he saw that which he hated most, the warrior of black and white, and to the very end refused to even give him the chance to either prove his view otherwise or dare owe anything to po because of his status as a panda.
this commemt confused me for like a whole minute
pou 🗿
I had an aneurysm reading this
I’m pretty sure neither should be able to be summoned anyways because Kais spirit exploded and Shen isn’t a master. Screw this movie
Chameleon should’ve been a combination of Tai Lung, Lord Shen, and Kai. Testing Po’s strength, will, and spirit all at once. A missed opportunity with the chameleon is that she could be disguising as people throughout the movie, such as shifu to gain information on Po. Or heck, she could’ve shapeshifted into Po’s mom, that would’ve really destroyed Po. But NOPE! They didn’t do any of that.
That….actually sounds like it would have been 🔥. A character that can transform into anybody has great potential to be menacing since you can’t really trust anything.
I'm surprised that the shapeshifter never bothered to just transform into the people closest to Po. Its such a missed opportunity. Like, imagine if she was a total sociopath who was hell bent on manipulating and breaking Po at every turn, using the face and voice of those he loves the most. But nah, just copy the villains from the past, give the real villains no voice lines at all, and make a flat, unintimidating, one dimensional villain.
now this would be amazing, can they just remake the movie into this idea?!?
@@DragosDomnarawe need to get them to do this somehow
Its like the writers were sleeping
What they ACTUALLY should have done with kfp4:
-Remove the return of Shen and Kai, Shen got crushed under a god damn ship and died to his own cannon balls he ain't coming back, Kai got completely eradicated and erased in the spirit realm he also ain't coming back
-Bring back the furious 5
-Rename and give The Chameleon an ACTUAL backstory, here's an idea: name her Princess Chamelia or smth like that, and her backstory would be something along the lines of her and her family getting humiliated by kung fu masters and she ends up training and learning magic and she becomes more power hungry and she defeate anyone in her way without mercy like the og masters humiliated her family a while ago, hell an even better idea imo is that the chameleon's and the pandas had an ancient war and The Chameleon has beef with pandas after her parents got killed in the war so she learns magic and takes her rage out on Po or smth like that
-Make Po not give his dragon warrior position
-Make Po bring back Tai Lung as a last resort once he gets defeated by the chameleon, then they both work together and defeat the chameleon (not without some beef before tai lung acceps po's offer tho)
-Tai Lung gets his redemption arc and Shifu finally becomes proud of him
-Make Tigress the new dragon warrior in a future movie
-Remove and scrap Zhen entirely
-Bring back Po's intelligence from kfp3
MY IDEA FOR KFP4
Scrap the character of Zhen entirely. instead of Shifu having Po pick a successor, have his announcement be that he wants the Furious 5 to disperse to spread his kung fu teachings across China. have THAT be the change Po doesn’t want to adapt to. Before any of that can happen though, they get word of the Chameleon so Po AND the Five set off together to take her down. Keep the humorous subplot of Po’s dad’s following to make sure their son is safe(I honestly really liked seeing them work together).
make the chameleons backstory be that she was turned down because she didn’t want to put in the effort to actually learn kung fu, that’s why she’s looking for this shortcut.
Double down on the Chameleon bringing back old villains, making it like a Kung Fu Panda version of No Way Home. Keep that amicable exchange between Po and Tai Lung so he gets his redemption before going back to the spirit realm. And along the way Po learns to accept change and we end the movie with a tearful goodbye as the Five all leave and Po stays to run the Jade Palace, that way you can still bring all of them back for a sequel if you want.
Even though I found this movie enjoyable enough, I will not defend the lack of the Furious Five or their choice to falsely advertise a proper return for Shen and Kai.
Ngl, I thought only Tai Lung was returning.
Not Shen or Kai because it would be "cliche"
@@RaijinRainand that’s honestly how it should be. Kai being there was just a straight up retcon since he burst from chi overload in the Spirit Realm, and Shen doesn’t even make sense for Chameleon to want cus he’s not a Kung Fu master; in fact he was the same guy who wanted to destroy Kung Fu.
The director is a liar, nuff said.
@@EvokerInvokerbleHonestly the director, Mike Mitchell ruined the whole franchise. The animation is great but the story has a lot of plot holes and predictable outcomes. KFP4 sounds more of a mediocre fanfiction compared to its past movies.
@@souchaledaustaunce You said it!
Bad Movie Council: “You are on this council… but we do not grant you the rank of mid.”
What? How can you do this? This is insane. It's cringe. How can you be on the council, and not be mid?
@@unickh Take a seat, young KFP4.
@@ok-rn4bo forgive me master
Lol I love the comment section.
"It's not fair!"
_"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."_
Puss in Boots 2 gave me hope for Dreamworks, but I guess it wasn't a sign of good things to come... but rather an anomaly between disappointments.
3:17 ''until he suddenly pulls out a gun and shoots him-'' had me dead
🔫 🦚
It had Master Rhino dead too
“Go Go Gadget conceal carry”
I mean, smartest guy in that story.
NAH THATS INSANE WORK- @@kameksapprentice9416
Love how the chameleons name is just the chameleon all the other villains had actual name but this name imply she’s the only chameleon and that’s her only name and that’s funny to me
wait she doesn't even have a name?
@pradeepdungdung4379 Nah,she has superhero comics ahh name
Tbf, the furious five have that same problem
@@tanner201x8 I always assumed that wasn't there actual names though and just a nickname to signify what fighting style they are a master of so master mantis is a master of mantis style
@@pufferfancyfish
That’s a common headcannon many have but I don’t believe it’s been substantiated at all. Especially since none of their real names are ever revealed.
Is it just me or does it feel like we've been getting nothing EXCEPT for movies about "passing along the torch"?
I'm so glad to see someone else holds this trilogy in such a high regard. We both respect these films, more so than the creators apparently. At least whoever was involved in the making of this fourth film. I hope there will never be anymore sequels to come from this, they're not acceptable and certainly not necessary. I hate how forced the storyline was of passing down the torch and the narrative of "change" when true change doesn't come from force but from the opposite: a voluntary decision.
Did we once in the movie see that Zhen even wanted to be the dragon warrior? Sure, she may have had a change of heart but why make her the next warrior and get rid of Po so disgracefully as if he has no purpose anymore other than to crack stupid jokes and get fat eating dumplings. And speaking of free will I definitely saw no realization moment for Po that he genuinely wanted things to change in his life. The whole movie he didn't want to give up his position as the dragon warrior (and why did the movie want him to retire so badly anyways? He barely got to be the dragon warrior for that long!). In the beginning when Shifu made him choose a new dragon warrior to take his place he pointed to himself and even at the end when he "passed down the torch" by giving Zhen the staff it seemed so forced. He didn't "choose" to give her the dragon warrior role he was forced into doing so because "plot".
It's just honestly so poorly written it hurts because these movies and characters, especially Po, mean so much to me. His growth and development and acceptance of his self and his determination to never give up, even when he struggled and so heavily doubted himself, has always brought me back to watching these movies again and again and being inspired by them. But this movie failed to inspire me and it failed our beloved franchise. You deserved better, Kung Fu Panda. You deserved better.
Oh hell no we are NOT doing this! We should've stopped at 3 and honestly. This isn't canon. You can't change my mind I will not see this as canon. I will ignore the fact it exists.
you don’t exist
@@Porschegulliford03 we all don't exist
KFP4 is like Pacific Rim 2 and Shrek 3, *those movies do not exist*
Toy story 4 is another example so I suppose those two Should be pals since it did stated Kung fu panda 4! As in the 4th one!
there is only 1 kfp movie LOL 2 3 and 4 were horrible this movie was alright tho because tai lung returned
Kai returning made no sense. His spirit was obliterated he shouldn't be in the spirit realm!
Did the creators of this film even watch the third
they did.but they smoked weed before writing the script for the 4th movie
@@Memerookie2005no, you misunderstand
THEY SMOKED THE SCRIPT
@@kianrodriguez4455😂😂😂
This makes me think that in the time that the writers' strike was going on, someone thought it would be a good idea to write a self insert fanfic and while extremely drunk send it to the directors, who, without other options since the writers were still on strike, decided to roll with it. That would explain the whole "pass the adventure" to a completely new and boring character, and would also explain Aquafina.
No one's probably gonna care because it's not a meme like Giorno's Theme, but I like how Stand Activated is playing in the background. 1:01
Glad someone still acknowledges Josuke's Secondary Theme.
kung fu panda 4 should never exist. It should be rebooted. Po should remain a dragon warrior
Honestly, I think that Po passing on the torch on the fourth of a six-movie franchise is beyond stupid. We've already seen master shifu become to Po what Master Oogway was to shifu, so why is Po passing on the torch at such an early age? Shouldn't Po search for a team of future successors WAY before choosing the dragon warrior? Shouldn't at the very least Master shifu pass away before Po even considers passing on the torch? This movie should've been about either redeeming past villains or Po learning to be a master to a new team of warriors, NOT passing on the torch to a character we just met. If this was the case, then the fifth movie could be about grief or accepting death, as shifu slowly showed signs of old age, and after his passing, the last movie could be about passing on the torch, not only to the next dragon warrior, but to the next master of the dragon warrior. Hell, the next master could be tigress! She really deserves it.
Accurate... this is what should have happened 100%
They should just apologize refund the tickets a make new kfp4 and make there mone back
Zhen became the next dragon warrior because WE GOTTA SHILL AWQUAFIIIIIIINA! Seriously, this DEI hire is quickly becoming an instant red flag whenever she's in a movie.
@@KrodaStagg It already is a red flag. I like her voice, but GOD she doesn't have range.
One thing I don’t get is why even bother worrying about stealing the other villains kung fu? Why wouldn’t you just steal the Kung Fu of the guy who beat them?
I'll do you one better, why not summon oogway from the spirit realm and steal his. And I don't wanna hear anyone say that's impossible cause he disappeared in the last movie, thats exactly what happened with kai but here we are.
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20:13
@@antonypastrikos7036Obviously for fanservice. A misguided attempt at fanservice, but fanservice nonetheless
@@antonypastrikos7036
"NO, Oogway, don't go!"
"I'm not going anywhere, I live here."
"You knew Kung Fu Panda was a trilogy! You always knew. But when the Executives demanded otherwise, what did you do? What did you do?! NOTHING!"
"Oh you want to release KFP4 so badly.... You think creating a new installment would be great for your company, fill some... crater, in your soul? Well here's your truth, Dreamworks is falling off."
"Wait, it's working! No! No..! Hahahaha... No, it's not. Did Pixar teach you that little trick(toy story 4)? Too bad! It only works before the movie comes out."
2:28 do NOT diss Nimona like that
Fr bro
Fr, ngl we should've gotten either tigress or atleast tai lung instead, since they both trained for the scroll but naw, just give it to the random character who knew some stuff about the villian and backstabbed the villian in the ending... l o g i c
Frrr, Tigress was robbeddd 😭💔
@@GJ2680.So. She was literally in All three movies More than shifu
You could make that same argument for po to but ok
Smh dragon warrior was a destiny thing,Po was always destined to be the dragon warrior. Tigress and tai lung at least are renowned fighters despite not being the dragon warrior
Even from a character view they wouldn’t take the title. Tai lung is considered to be evil and can’t really be redeemed, Tigress just wouldn’t take cause she doesn’t think she fits the role, she even accepted not being it and respects Po
Tai Lung maybe would bow down to Po for his general respect of strength.... BUT SHIN! He'd never side with Po
Shen hated Po so much he let himself die instead of letting Po forgive him and joining him
Even Kai makes no sense because he would never bow down to him. My man was fighting and collecting the chi of every single master in the spirit realm just to fight a guy who beat him 500 years ago. Theres no way someone that dedicated would bow down to a panda who killed him
Shen bowing to Po is the equivalent of fucking Hitler bowing to Anne Frank
@@noobthenewt1048 I agree also them nerfing Kai made no sense , Kai Molly whooped po bad like had dude telling the pandas to run for their lives.
Kai saw Oogway as a brother, but his lust for power was always there. By the time Oogway stood against him, he was long gone at that point. Even if they tried to redeem the villains, Kai is just as irredeemable as Shen. Not only was he denied the power to rule over all, but he was denied by someone he loved as a comrade.
@@Yes_king6973and don’t forget he took on all of the furious five, master shifu, master oogway, and almost all the other kung fu masters in history
I will continue to live my life in the believe that there are only 3 movies :)
2:04 laughed audibly, exactly why the first 3 were good movies.
Whats happening in Hollywood?
It really feels like every single great movie series has been ruined one by one *on purpose* .
They aren't just make mediocre sequels, they're destroying our heroes.
The Pensuke Files luckily doesn't do that
The one purpose?
Hopefully this will teach you that your "heroes" are just corporate products and that you shouldn't attatch your identity and sense of self-worth to a product.
@@lazaroskarmaniolas7410 ...Looks like we have a Sherlock Holmes here.😅 I haven't financed Hollywood in years. My rhetorical question was precisely to stimulate critical thinking about why they're deconstructing the works and "heroes" of cinema (obviously an expression for popular characters that masses like and who're generally a reflection of the moral state of society or vice-versa, not "role models in life" ), hopefully leading to the issue of neurolinguistic manipulation and how the world's biggest propaganda machine is preparing young people for the value-inverted and culturally babylonian society of "Gr3at R3s3t" (and at this point I'm not even talking about that movie, which is an almost harmless example of that aversion to the heroic and responsible male leader figure - You can start by looking at what Disney is doing). I'm glad you can easily use your apparent self-expressed anti-capitalist intellectual and emotional dominance to see this bigger picture tho. 😬
It's happening that most series we know are becoming quite old and new Inexperienced people are now working on the shows, i would give em 3-4 years props.
THANK YOU!!! People calling it mid is ridiculous, when comparing it to the original trilogy it is awful, when you don’t, it is bad
not to be that guy, but i think you spelt Mid wrong
(Ik ik, shoot me 😞)
@@SoonSilver 😂😂 ur right. Thanks
It feels like studios are doing what they can to kill legacy movies, in order to force people to look elsewhere, hoping people lose interest and competition. It just feels too coincidental how so many movies are ruined lately. Another movie put to the "never existed/fanfiction" story.
I lowkey expected Tai Lung to be the next dragon warrior via a redemption arc (him and Po against the chameleon), Po reteaching him Kung fu and a final fight between him and Po in full Puss vs Death style. I was disappointed to see that it was just a cliché animated film with cliché characters and shit villain that shat on the trilogy
Still better than Megamind 2
Megamind 2 is better than helluva boss
Cancel me right now
@@hybridvenom9nope, your'e right, i fucking hate Helluva boss. I dont think hazbin hotel is bad though. (Cancel ME)
@AIndieguy Just asking, why do you hate Helluva boss?
I like helluva boss
Ofc it fucking is, megamind 2 is subpar in every conceivable way. That's like saying a particular political official is better than Hitler.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees a uncanny resemblance to Star Wars, I genuinely hope that it doesn’t meet the same fate as Star Wars because like you this was one franchise of my favorite franchise as a kid.
Yeah...
Can there still be hope left after witnessing this movie as well as the whole of 2023? You know its only downhill from here.
@@antonypastrikos7036 that’s if they hire the same director or someone like him, I hope the Co-Director gets her chance to direct the next one since she wanted this movie to actually be good.
@@ZG2008I have seen some comments pointing out the differences between the director and the co-director but I'm uninformed on this issue. Sadly I don't think meritocracy will prevail, it would however be a blessing and a breather in these trying times. Here's to a not so shitty kfp5 and kfp6..
"was...as a kid"
Let bygones be bygones. don't cry because it's over etc.
The most infuriating thing is that Po is never allowed to mature. He grows in power, but Shifu, who really, REALLY should've stepped down by now, comes along, tells him that he hasn't fulfilled his destiny yet and basically resets the previous movie. I think Shifu is the bigges problem at this point. He contributes nothing but lords over everyone else because Ugway gave him a stick once.
which is messed up because this movie undoes all shifu's character development of the last 3 movies
The worst part was tigress. It’s literally the point of the first film that a child who is not accepted by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth. Tai lung was stepped over and it was dangerous…. So then they decided to do it all all of the 5 at the same time…
What I hated is that EVERY OTHER VILLAIN at least had some personal connection to Po,that made the fights a lot more epic, Tai lung was refused the position as Dragon warrior and had the same master as Po, Kai was an old friend of Po's master's master, Shen Literally committed GENOCIDE on his people, not Chameleon tho just some boring villain who's only connection is a plot device
Very good point, no wonder we all felt key points missing from this extremely horrific contraption of a movie. Quite disappointed after watching it in cinema today after patiently waiting 2+ years 😔
@@bymistakeonly Man, i've been waiting for damn near 8 YEARS since Kung Fu Panda 3.
@@sambreyer7344 I feel you! Although young at the time, KFP 4 was most definitely anticipated ever since KFP 3 came out, which was such a banger
@@bymistakeonly It really was, I was only 10 when that movie came out. And oh boy we took those 3 for granted. The jokes, the writing, the quality oh man it’s good enough that even now as a teenager I still love them. 4 though? It’s what you’d expect from a movie called “Kung Fu Panda.” Enjoyable for kids, not so much for adults.
@@sambreyer7344 Well said! I agree fully 😀
When I saw the trailer I knew this would suck because Tai Lung lost to a fucking Gecko
Tai lung lost to an obese bear but I understand why you don't buy him losing to the gecko
@@witherverse1351 po beat Tai Lung because as Mantis said earlier in the movie, they can’t hit his nerves due to his fat, and his Kung Fu was so different from any usual styles it confused him
@@LOL-bs1hg yeh I know, I understand
I enjoyed the movie, but Chameleon had a lot of potential as a villain, but ended up being the weakest part of the movie, and the weakest kung fu panda movie villain
@@witherverse1351 If po was not so fat, Tai Lung would of beat the brakes off po. Tai Lungs name means great dragon and he is one of shifus greatest students because he trained so hard that his bones cracked, and all of that just to get bested by an obese bear is just bullshit.
@@desmondedwards8234 exactly, but everybody accepts that
But Zhen becoming the next dragon warrior is too much apparently
It's ridiculous
2nd Fun Fact: Tai Lung was gonna have a good Redemption arc and was gonna have a final goodbye with Shifu, but it was axed.
No it wasn't
@@BrandonGullifordyes it was…sadly.
Fun Fact: the director didn't want to give The Chameleon and Zhen Backstories. And by the time the rest of the crew finally convinced him, it was basically too late.
When you mentioned Tai Lung's would-be redemption arc, it actually fits in well with the overall theme of the franchise. Reconcile with yourself (1), reconcile with your past (2), reconcile with your future (3), and reconcile with your foes (4). Kai and Lord Shen would probably fail, but not the leopard. This franchise could have been an ever-deepening dive into forgiveness and acceptance of one's reality.
Instead, we got an insecure magic gecko and a fox with three braincells.
Also Oogway is in the spirit realm. Imagine if it established that Oogway found Tai Lung and tried to help him in the spirit realm before he gets brought back to the mortal world.
Just picture: the Chameleon keeps impesonating Po´s closest allies and loved ones to the point where he doesn´t know who he can trust anymore, and is forced to partner up with his first enemy of all people.
Hold on, a movie about Tai Lung's redemption interwoven Tigress' rise into the next Dragon Warrior would've been the perfect mix of "the obvious continuation" for the fans and a huge pool of love and passion from the people making the movies.
That's the problem
The people they hired didn't care about the product, they only cared about the check
Keeping in mind that turtle-grandpa was totally set to appoint Tigress but accepted Po landing infront of his ‘point’ as the universe deciding for him
This is what happens when the directors go: "it's just a kids movie anyways, who gives a shite"
Was my fav animated movie franchise, what a shame
They really did not need any extra characters. In fact, they didnt even need Zhen. The Chameleon in concept is a cool villain. I think she woulda been the only new character that would add something. Zhen was so unnecessary and Awkafina is the least funny character along with Dwyane Johnson. My problem with her in Kung Fu Panda 4 is that she never has a funny aura and she tries to be funny in her dialogues and ends up overdoing it. And those crooks zhen hangs out with underground in Juniper City did not need to be there. The Tavern scene was unnecessary. Maybe The movie did not need all the furious 5 characters back but it would have been better if Tigress became Po's successor as Dragon Warrior fighting the Chameleon. On top of that, one of the things that makes the kung fu panda trilogy awesome is that both po and the villain struggle from similar issues (identity crisis in 1, family trauma in 2, and the desire to attain chi in 3). The difference is that while the villains never understand how to overcome those issues, Po does and comes out victorious. Imagine Kung Fu Panda being one where Tigress was also heavily doubted as a kung fu master along with Chameleon and Tigress, like Po, overcomes that struggle while Chameleon does not. Idk but something like that would have made the movie a lot better. And the Chameleon should have been as menacing as she appeared but was not. Overall, the movie was very mid and could have used better storylines and such. But I think Zhen's character and Awkafina's inability to be a good voice actor made the movie much worse than it was. I hope dreamworks sees this and keeps Akwafina as far away from voice acting as possible and also fixes the Kung Fu Panda franchise.
I thought the same too. With most of the Furious Five so severely underdeveloped, they really would've benefited from more screentime in this new movie, rather than having it stolen by a completely different character nobody has any reason to care about.
The movie feels even worse after you consider how much hype we got thinking all the previous villains would join each other, form a villain group and fight Po and furious 5 together, or perhaps join forces and fight the chameleon. Nope, they got two minutes of screen time in total.
Its even worse when you realise that the co-director, Stephanie, wanted the other characters to be in the movie, but the director ignored her and she was treated like a nobody by the crew despite being the only person trying to save the movie
@@noobthenewt1048i know, never let the director cook ever again
@@freddyfastbear5928Mike Mitchell that idiotic mf should never make movies again
@@freddyfastbear5928
unfortunately, the damage has been done 😢. Unless they can take the movie off of streaming and remake it.
But I don’t know if that’s possible.
@@archieoutdoors3340 probably not, taking off the movie to fix some audio is alright. But remaking the entire movie? Yeah probably not
Either Tai Lung or Tigress deserved to be the dragon warrior. How perfect it would've been, can't even imagine. Nah but they decided to introduce a completely new and annoying female character whose behavior is same as of any other typical feminist archetype, and decided to made her the dragon warrior. Imagine having trained for over years, day and night and still not being chosen for the position that deserved you the most. How f**ed up(That was for you Tigress)
The way that they treated Shen was so disrespectful
Why do these writers keep thinking Akwafina is the best thing to put in a movie.?
SAG-AFTRA strikes
Man I was sure that at least Dreamworks might take a while to fall after puss and boots the last wish but it literally died immediately after
I sorta get what they were going for. They could have made a couple of changes for the better tho. Heres my little rewrite:
*ACT 1:*
the start of the movie is basically the same. We see Tai Lung breaking through a jail/ army but we just see the aftermath. Cut to shifu recieving the message that Tai Lung has returned. Concerned he rushes to po whos meditating in the blossom tree area. He tells po that Tai Lung has returned which makes po excited. "Alright! We havent had any big bad guys in a while!". Shifu gets angry and tells po that its serious and that he should treat it seriously. Po retorts that as the dragon warrior its his job to kick butt. Shifu tells him that hes not just the dragon warrior anymore, hes the spiritual leader of the valley of peace like oogway
Po tells shifu that hes not oogway, and that he doesnt even know what being a spirtual leader means. He thought it was just meditating under the tree. Shifu explains that, life is like the cherry blossom tree. The seed is planted, grows, and eventually the tree dies. The leafs become one with the wind, the bark becomes home to insects and a new seed is planted which becomes the new tree. Oogway tells po maybe its time for him to move on and ascend higher as a master/teacher. Its time for him to plant a seed, and choose a new Dragon Warrior. Po is obviously conflicted. Being a kung fu master is all hes ever wanted. Its all he wants to do, he doesnt known how nor wants to be a leader like oogway. He goes to talk to tigress about it
Tigress is now a caretaker at an orphanage. She works with kids and is surprisingly less grouchy. She hugs po when she sees him (fan service) and he tells her everything. She tells po that maybe shifu is right. Oogway chose a successor and moved on so why shouldn't po? Heres the first big twist of the story so far: through their conversation its revealed that po has been the dragon warrior for 10 years, and thay the furious 5 have retired, and disbanded in those times of peace. They each moved somewhere else except tigress which is still really close with po
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*EXPLANATION:* If you didnt notice, the start of this movie is a mirror of the 1st movie but from the perspective of po who is in oogways position now. Its important to notice that i flipped the chsracter arc position of each character.
Po was a loser who dreamt of doing something great, and a beginner in KFP1, but here he starts as an experienced kung fu legend that doesnt wanna stop. The furious 5 were pos icons in the peak of their primes in the 1st movie but here they are retired and disbanded. Tigress was a cold kung fu master training to be the dragon warrior also unwilling to listen to po, but here shes open and stopped fighting. Even mr Ping Retired to spend his time traveling with pos 2nd dad. Its a mirror of the 1st movie but everything is presented the complete opposite on purpose. In this re write KFP4 is the last installment of the po era. Its meant to be a send off to the characters but also a thank you to the fans. If you didnt catch it the theme here (like in the one we got) is moving on. The audience grew up and so did the characters. Back to the plot:
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Po seems to agree with tigress. The whole ceremony to choose the dragon warriors stays the same, minus the screaming goat. Po cant move on from being the DW so he goes back to being that. He catches the Zhen stealing from the palace, she fights himoverwhelms her and emprisons her easily. The difference here is she beats po by taking advantage of his naive nature. She convinces him to take her on to go find tai lung (chameleon)
*SIDENOTE:* The 1st movie was abour po being put in a physical test. Here he beats zhen physically but she outwits him. Like shifu said: fighting with your hands isnt the only form of combat. There are non physical ways to win a physical battle. We deconstructed the 1st movies core idea
*ACT 2:*
Similar to Kung Fu Panda 2, this act will focus on Po and Zhen traveling together. This is used to build up Zhens character. In this re write shes a good fighter but her style isnt unique. Its very logical and linear. But shes smart and uses her wit and instincts to overcome obstacles. Shes a foil to KFP1 Po who mastersd kung fu and beaf tai lung by using his body to fight, and unorthodox learning, while Zhen uses her strategy, linear thinking and wit. KFP1 po had confidence issues, Zhen doesnt (shes an experienced thief). Po let the natural flow of thinfs carry him, but she cant do that. Zhen reveals her back story and here its basically the same. The only change is po acknowledges that maybe he does need to move on. The cherry blossom seed scene happens but here Zhen shuts it down by saying shes amready at peace with who she is. They are who they are, theres no reason to change that. Po being set on being a "spiritual leader" even offers to adopt her as an apprentice to eventually become a master at jade palice. This act will flesh out Zhens character. She does objectively wrong things like being a theif but shes at peace. Thats her identity She can be a likeable one tho through witty humor. The act ends with po finding tai lung but its the real tai lung. He tells po he didnt do it, but wont mind fighting him again. The fight isnt as important but here we introduce the chameleon. Turns out she set everything up to bring po and tai lung so they could fight and tire each other out
Here we make another change: she needs pos chi to open up the spirit world and summon all the kung fu masters so she can take their skills. Her motivations need to change. Thats why here shes again very similar to po. She started out as the loser like po. But she had no sifu, no oogway, no furious 5, no scroll, no Mr. Ping. In KFP2 po found himself. So in her we deconstruct it by asking : what if po didnt have all these leaders and mentors? Thats Zhen. A person just as motivated as Po was but who didnt have the same fortunate people to guide her so she turned to chi/sorcery based Kung Fu instead of learning and going through a journey like po. She wants to absorb pos "scroll powers" Chameleon steals tai lungs abilities. When backed unto a corner Zhen runs away leaving po to be beat. Similar to KFP2 Po makes a final stand. Po tells Chamemeon that there is no scroll powers. This makes Chameleon remark that if there is no power than she'll make her own by stealing every masters abilities to become a real dragon warrior. Using clever illusions and disguising herself as Zhen Chameleon manages to beat po and steal his abilities/chi. The chameleon leaves a powerless po and tai lung as they are no longer threats. Po encounters Zhen who came back for him. She hugs him but this time po pushes her away and not sure if shes another one of chameleons tricks, but also upset that she didnt change. They talk and Zhen says goodbye. po remarks that they are who theybare and they cant change that. They part ways. The last scene of this act is Chameleon absorbing the skills of every Kung Fu master and preparing to go absorb the rest of the overworld masters
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*EXPLANATION:* Kung fu panda 2 ended with finding Inner peace and the main villain dying due to not being able to let go and be at peace. This act is the opposite. Po is broken and in turmoil not trusting anything. Zhen had inner peace at the fact that she was a thief who didnt do any good and only cared abt herself. Her conflict between staying the same self centered thief or trying to change breaks her inner peace. Again this is a foil to how KFP2 ends and a deconstruction of the emotional test
*ACT 3:*
Po and Tai Lung have an awkward silent moment. Po breaks the silence by trying to talk to Tai Lung. Tai asks po in a annoyed manner why he still acts nice and light-hearted towards him to which po explains that he has no reason not to. Before he leaves po tells tai lung that a flower will never blossom if it stays inside the seed
Po goes and sits by a pond. After looking at a reflection of himself that is distorted from the rippled water he thinks back to sifus inner peace training. He notices the dried up tree and grass where he sits and how on the other side of the pond its green and flowers are blooming. He realizes how much not moving on has held him back and finally understands the tree metaphor. He does the inner peace tear drop thingy but this time with leaves forming the yin yang logo. He needs to see from a new perspective he needs to see differently. From here on its his battle against shens army. Unlike KFP3 he does not have people supporting him, so he uses logical reasoning to sneak into Chameleonslobby. They begin to fight and at first they are evenly matched. Eventually chameleon starts gaining the upper hand by and cornering po. Thats when Zhen flys in along with the furious 5 together. Tai lung joins later Chameleon makes zombie clones of villain po has faced and sends their way. Massive fight breaks leading to a 1v1 between po and the chameleon. Chameleon starts shapeshifting and using illusions but this time po can see through it by reading the spirit. Blah blah fight blah blah theh win blah blah po realizes that he does indeed need to move on, but also decides Zhen is the perfect dragon warrior which surprises everyone (ESPECIALLY sifu). Master sifu reveals that he will leave since his mission is done and he ascends into the spirit world. Po asks tigress to take sifus place and she agrees. The furious 5 give Zhen her first lessons before saying goodbye to Po. The final scene is the sapling of the Blossom tree that sprouted
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*EXPLANATION:*
This one is very straightforward. Kung Fu Panda 3 was about the battle of spirit and self identity. We'll deconstruct this by diving into what it means to move on and what it means for each character. Po moves on by accepting the role of leader and understanding that dightingisnt always about punching. He understands the need of a leader who can guide people (from his experience with the chameleon and Zhen)
Zhen moves on by accepting that just because she grew up and liked living in a self centered manner, it doesn't make it right. It alsk doesnt have to be her. She can be more. She becomes mkre by being the dragon warrior
The Chameleon looses because she couldnt move on. Again shes basically a what if for po in this universe. That leads to her being left behind.
*LASTLY WHY I KEPT ZHEN AS THE NEW DRAGON WARRIOR:*
We deconstructed all 3 movies and flipped them on their heads. Since the theme is abt moving on and change what vetter way then ending the series with po changing what rhe dragon warrior is? Zhen is not a good candidate for the opposite reasons po was not. Po had no skill but he had passion and a good kind heart from the start. Zhen was set up as a bad person. She had the skills just didnt use them for good. Here she can be a dragon warrior that will have more empathy. Po changed the frame of the dragon warrior so naturally he needs a balance. Someone who is more logical and the opposite of him personality wise. That would be Zhen here. Also i tried conveying it but the whole story is a parallel to how we grew up and moved on with our lives. So did the characters
Also the tigress and po thing is purely friendship. I wanted to end their story arcs somewhere that showed progress but also made sense. Tigress statted out hating po, she was hard to deal with, and wouldnt talk. How fitting is it for her to not only be helping him on hos own journey but to have him as a equal. Po completed his journey as the dragon warrior. He fought for justice, changed his piers for the better and managed to find a worthy disciple.
If you look at the actual movies, po has always been changing people for the better. So thats the best way to end his story: him and his best friend (who used to he his idol) going together on more adventures to better their world
Honestly, I’m glad that dreamworks is at least calling kfp4 part of “a new trilogy”. That way, we can just ignore its existence once the rest of the trilogy comes out and only care about the good ones, just like Star Wars.
Po choosing Tigress would have made so much sense and would have worked way better.
1. He already idolizes her (also has a crush on her).
2. She already deserved the title the most in the first film, and now even more so. (key word being deserve here)
3. She is the peak at physical Kung Fu, but where she always fell short was the spiritual side due to her upbringing and emotional neglect.
This is where Po and her are completely different. Po could be the one to help her overcome her upbringing, connect more with the world.
This way, we are shown that Po is able to function as a spiritual leader and Tigress' character finally gets the development and spotlight she deserves.
Dude they are literally different species!
@@FantasticFawnleap ok and?
Nah, Tai Lung woulda made more sense. What a perfect way it would've been to signify a completed redemption arc.
@@komrade8366 dude you are an idiot!
@@73chenj By him accepting that he is not the dragon warrior is the only way to redeem himself. Not only that, he demonstrated numerous times how he doesn't deserve it
lets just do what we did with pacific rim pretend that 4 5 6 are not cannon
it’s still canon
@@Porschegulliford03 Lets pretend its not
@@Porschegulliford03nah it isn't. Its not made by the one who wrote the first one. Meaning it's not what the creator intended.
It's like 343 halo games.
Yeah it's like 343 halo
Why does po even need a successor rn. He’s only in his 20s it’s not like he’s old asf and can’t be dragon warrior anymore. (Also I thought the dragon warrior was something like the avatar where the title passes when the previous one dies, but that was prolly just me making assumptions) 😭 this story would make atleast a bit more sense if it took place way in the future
Don't know how you can have mrbeast, Bryan Cranston, Jack Black, and millions of dollars for a movie yet still have it be garbage
The fact that tai lung was not the next dragon warior is the biggest miss of all times since it would have been perfect for him, but instead we got 2:30
They really don’t want to pay anybody in this movie. WHY IS AQUAPHINA IN THIS MOVIEEEEEEEEEEE
I would've been perfectly fine if they had Po offer Tai Lung the role of Dragon Warrior, only for him to decline and say that he realises he has his own life to live and will make the world better without needing to be the dragon warrior.
Tigress Could've 100% received that title, and to satisfy the mid writer that decided Zhen should be the dragon warrior, lets have Zhen join the furious five or something, in place of Tigress
@@EzdubsquestionRemeber that quack whack? Chica wack!
I really hate the idea of Tai Lung being the Dragon Warrior. A Tai Lung redemption is a good idea, but his being the Dragon Warrior would undo the first movie.
@@gtdc4685 him making his own path and journey is what I wanna see
People have their rating systems entirely skewed people think 7/10 is mid , others think 5 is god awful and so forth, standards are so weird and yeah this movie sucked but people have a hard time saying something is just bad
This is why I stopped rating things. There’s nothing wrong with using a rating to try and build familiarity with the creator but this movie and other recent things I’ve found difficult to rate. It would be between a 2 and a 5 for me though.
I would like to ask, what does mid mean.
@@Ezdubsquestion mediocre, unremarkable, tho some people use it synonymously with bad
@@rafezap So you were 6 when the first kung fu panda movie came out. So that makes you 21 or 22
@@Ezdubsquestion think of it a short for "middle". It's not a terrible movie, but it doesn't spark anything or make you think any differently about it. It's just *there.* Unfortunately, this movie sounds like a desecration of its preceding films and by no means is it anything higher than atrocious.
So the story is basically the same as my hero academia ( season 3 )
bluds calling it awful when not even caring about what the hell disney is doing to children💀💀💀
Man, this is just sad. If they wanted to make something like passing down the torch there were 2 fascinating characters that they just "forgot" that could take the role.
Tigress: I mean, in theory, if Poh, didn't fall from the sky she'd be THE one. She'd be A MILLION times more interesting than Zhen and we could deepen way more her character if they added some sort of conflict with Poh in the sense that maybe she was still a bit jealous that he became the dragon Warrior instead of her. (And don't even tell me that she "can't have that" because she already reached inner peace by the second movie. Bullshit, they quite literally changed Poh's character from the conclusion and acceptance he got from the last movie, they can bend Tiggress to have this resentment she needs to let go.)
Tailung: Simply what a powerful story of redemption it'd be if Tailung got all of his kungfu stolen by the chameleon and Poh found him in the real world re-teaching everything he learned throughout the movie, while he learns forgiveness.
I don't know what DreamWorks was thinking, all I know is that I want a bit of what they were smoking.
If you wanna go in character, tai lung wouldn’t take it because towards the end he sends Po his regards, and can see why Po became the dragon warrior and not him, so no tai lung is to far to be redeemed.
While Tigress would probably be a better option of the two, she just isn’t mentally fit for the role. She was aggressive towards Po and envied him in some moments. Granted she gets better in kp3, but she did come to odds not being the dragon warrior, so probably wouldn’t take the role if it was an option
@@JT_goatted6G Both could take up the role with enough character development. That's what the movie would be all about.
@@JT_goatted6G plus in the Tai Lung scenario he'd meet Poh before whatever happened in the movie.
I was waiting for a 'redemption' arc for Tai since they announced KFP3, even though he was actually evil in the first movie. Imagine if he's forced to go along with Po and slowly learning to respect him and accepting why he's not the Dragon Warrior. What a waste of a great nuanced character.
People need to double down on this. Not only is it terrible it disrespects the writing and beautiful craft of the other 3 movies.
3:55 mantis doesn't exist I guess shortest kung fu master
When you bring back old villains, it can still be interesting so long as you give them character and new trials to overcome. What they did for this movie was nothing more than light fan service
Thank you for understanding that mid=mediocre, not bad.
its not bad though
@@1roxyfan491 For a stand alone movie it's mid. Just going through the motions of a plot with nothing unique or thoughtful about it. But for a continuation of a preexisting story it's definitely bad- failing to follow the internal logic set up by previous movies. None of the characters feel like themselves. Shifu's not the kind to abandon logic and blindly follow destiny. You should only retire when you're no longer in your prime. And wisdom is gained through experience so cutting off Po's journey is completely illogical. Tai Lung's hatred was built over many years and resolved within 2 minutes, without even directly interacting with Po. Chameleon's backstory is debunked within THIS movie, let alone the other ones.
@@llamawalrushybrid I do understand the criticisms but it's the criticisms is what makes the movie mid.
@@1roxyfan491 No the criticisms make it bad
@@sambreyer7344no they make it mid if the movie was truly bad it wouldn't have gotten an audience score on rotten tomatoes of 83% and a critic score of 72.
I have to disagree that Zhen is like Nimona(the Netflix one). Nimona has personality. She ain’t monotonal like Asha from Wish, Captain Marvel, and other Mary Sue. Heck, she even got development when she got betrayed by Gloreth(and seemingly by Ballister). Meanwhile, Zhen got training from Chameleon but she was made Dragon Warrior for no reason at all. The writers just put her there like a placeholder where Nimona is the cause of the story, the existence of the wall and to proceed the plot further. Without her, Ballister wouldn’t have a chance in the netflix movie.
Exactly. I agree that Kung Fu Panda was bad, but when he said Zhen was like Nimona, I was confused because the Nimona I remember is an actual well written character.
You saying “I just knew she was going to be the new dragon warrior” as if thats some mindblowing assumption is silly
Here’s my rewrite:
First, the Tai Lung scene at the beginning. Still have him crush all of Chameleon’s minions, but add Zhen to the fight to establish her early. Then show Chameleon’s sorcerous powers as a natural counter to Kung Fu used in a simple, battle-oriented manner as Tai Lung performs it, so she can win in a reasonable way.
Then Tai Lung manages to escape after losing his power and reluctantly decides to track down Po, the only person he’s willing to consider arguably stronger than himself, so that he can take revenge and retrieve his stolen power. He replaces Zhen’s role, acting as the opposite of Po’s personality, trying to resolve every encounter with violence (in place of Zhen’s roguery). Rather than Po somehow needing to learn peace, it’s Tai Lung, and Po is the one trying to teach him.
Zhen is a recurring minor antagonist throughout the film who uses trickery, cunning and traps to try hindering their progress, but is ultimately foiled at every turn by both Tai Lung’s ferocity and battle prowess as well as Po’s wisdom and good nature. These are the ways to show the parallels. As an example, Zhen hires local criminals in a city, Tai Lung beats the mooks within an inch of their lives, while Po befriends their leader, who decides to turn over a new leaf, taking his groaning and injured subordinates off to do good deeds instead. Have a gag where Tai Lung shows disgust and says he’d never let himself be “redeemed” like that while Po just looks at him with an expression reminiscent of Oogway.
Then over the course of the movie he can actually go through enough character development to become redeemed, most likely at the end. Show that Po is noticeably stronger than the Chameleon, but needs to use his abilities carefully lest he cause collateral, or maybe she says the stolen abilities will die with her, so Tai Lung keeps insisting Po hold back because the entire reason he recruited him was to regain his powers.
We can then have Po take an arguably suboptimal and obviously foolish decision to save Tai Lung’s life during the final fight which costs him his own Kung Fu, making their shared enemy stronger than ever before (evil Po now having a reason to exist as a design) but inspires his old foe to awaken his inner strength and surpass even his old stolen powers. Tai Lung then defeats the Chameleon by using a more spiritual form of Kung Fu like what Po had in KFP3, eventually becoming recognized as the next Dragon Warrior ONLY when he finally lets go of his ambitions and begins to respect Po.
He can with great reluctance say something like, “Perhaps I was wrong after all… You really were worthy to be the Dragon Warrior.” He bows as in the movie, then Po bows back and says, “No. *You* are the Dragon Warrior now. You’ve earned it.” Choosing his old foe, now friend as his successor.
Like, I get that it’s a bit cheesy, but I think it’d be a lot better than what we got while still maintaining the same cast, themes and premise.
You touched on a very logic point. Why couldn't the next Dragon Warrior be Tigress?! It would at least make sense! Plus, DreamWorks really p1ssed people off lately. They released one of the best US animated movie of the decade: Puss in Boots 2, the Last Wish. It's a sequel of the sequel that follows a secondary character from Shrek. And it's sublime. The movie was crafted with so much care, passion, sensitivity, humor and wit. It got praised by critics, the public, fans, content creators all over the world. And the movie was also a financial success. *What's a bigger green flag than that to keep investing in great sequels?!* Especially now that major players like Disney and Pixar are missing the mark badly? I'm pretty sure they could delay the release of Megamind 2 and Kung Fu Panda 4 to improve these films, make them with high quality. I'm also pretty sure the public would be ok with waiting longer to watch a good movie of their beloved franchise than to witness a hurried release of a bad movie that starts a series of crappy movies of that same franchise. GEE, DREAMWORKS GET YOURSELF TOGETHER!
Could've been a redemption movie for Tai lung, who manages to escape the spirit realm by beating the shit out of the chameleon, and goes on a redemption arc with Po to eventually become the dragon warrior, and the two of them could take on the chameleon once she's more powerful after taking Kai's chi or smthn idk
There’s apparently going to be 6 of these movies. 6.
@@Ezdubsquestionoh god please no!
Kai was destroyed in the spirit realm at the end of the 3rd movie. He shouldn’t even be in this one cause he literally doesn’t exist
@@boxytigers8793 yep
@@PA071N3 Sounds good, but the whole Po and Tai Lung friendship sounds forced, and making Tai Lung the Dragon Warrior would undo and ruin all of 1 and 3. Just make Po the leader of the Valley of Peace, but keep him as the Dragon Warrior. Tai Lung just lives there now, I guess.
Ironically, a long standing Chinese saying is that nothing lasts past 3 generations.
I don’t agree about Nemona, Nemona is an amazing character.
The real kung fu po was that one Christmas special thingy that tells you the importance about family.
Finally, an opinion I agree with! I've seen so many RUclips videos reviewing Kung Fu Panda 4 and calling it mid or just existing, but I truly believe it is a horrible movie. The fact that the Furious 5 don't have any lines, the fact that the chameleon doesn't have any interesting motivations, the fact that the first three movies have themes in body, mind and soul while this one has nothing. It truly has the same feel that Megamind 2 does, just another movie from a popular franchise that greedy corpos want to milk for money
womp womp
Holy sheet. There was a second Megamind?
i'm actually going insane. the body-mind-soul thing is the dumbest interpretation of a piece of media that I have heard in my life. like, it is laughably bad. how the fuck did anyone even come up with this?
ooooooo it makes sense now why you are like this... you listen to my chemical romance
Why are so many franchises making such similar decisions? Why does every beloved character have to suddenly retire and hand off their title, powers, etc. etc. to characters who we never knew, are extremely unlikable, somehow powerful already (depending on the situation), and honestly feel like self inserts or something? Can they not just make their own decisions?
The main thing about this movie was that it was too convenient. The villains were back quickly including Kai? It was too safe and predictable. I still enjoyed it regardless
Tbh as weird as it is Illumination have actually been doing better than Dreamworks this year. While they didn’t make Kung Fu Panda 4, they’re making the real Megamind 2 with Gru & JackJack put in for good measure.
If the boss baby-minions brain rot is doing better, we are utterly fucked
@@antonypastrikos7036Boss Baby was made by Dreamworks.
@@ScreenSage_YT god this makes everything so much worse, lol
And Megamind turns out to be DM4's new villain, Maxime Le Mal (aka Doofensmirtz)
@@MarcoAnaya-ks7bp yep, that’s the reason why I believe DM4 is the real Megamind sequel, as it actually has much better animation & also Will Ferrell playing as the villain.
If this is supposed to be a new trilogy, you don't pass the torch on the character's first appearance. If this trilogy had to be made, make the fox thing earn it. Torch passes can work, but like you said more often than not the character who is given the torch is unworthy and unlikeable.
Aquafina's character is supposed to be a wolf apparently, but it's designed so poorly you wouldn't notice.
@@Loathsome_Lynx But we've seen wolves before? Shens army. They look nothing like Aquafinas thing.
@sambreyer7344 rumor has it they changed the original design to make it "cuter", but I can't confirm that.
Po was given the title of Dragon Warrior before he 'earned' it. Same thing with the fox here. When Oogway saw Po for the first time, he somehow just knew that Po was the DW. Though Po isn't as wise as Oogway, I think the universe worked to let Po meet the fox, and then he just KNEW that she was the right one. As Shifu told him, "When you know, you know".
You can't disrespect Tai Lung like that. He was literally the best Villain out of them all and they just brought him back to instantly lose? The new villian has to completely outshine the best and that never happened.
Im pretty sure their budget for this movie was cut in half, and the original directors pretty much quit.