Hey my Chess Friends! I appear in this new 4-hour film series on the Culture of Chess! INFO AND DOWNLOAD AT ideasroadshow.com/chess/ WATCH THE TRAILER AT ruclips.net/video/zLnOklDkTGQ/видео.html DVD FOR PURCHASE ON AMAZON www.amazon.com//dp/B0C13M1B84/
One of my pet peeves has always been putting unnecessary 0s on the end of everything. Instead of 800 points and everything costing 110/70/40/40/10, why not 80 points and everything costing 11/7/4/4/1. Much simpler, lol
Yeah it’s really weird. If you’ve ever looked at Card Wars, they do away with the zeroes and monsters tend to not have more than maybe 8 attack if they’re really powerful. I quite like the simplicity of it. Although that’s probbaly a design choice since its full of goofy cartoon drawings more than anything about the actual numbers.
Yes! It "stands like a horse" for eternity, untouchable. This privilege of knights gives them something special, to compensate for the fact that -- unlike bishop, rook and queen -- the knights do not gain any extended mobility on the extra-large board.
My friend said he had this game, really want to play it now. Thank you for making this video it was awesome. I hope I'll see more ancient chess videos soon...
Great idea! When you get the set, you'll see that the inventor also loves innovation and encourages players to create their own variations of the game. This is a really nice game, and a well-made set. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for the question. I don't find any mention of castling in the rules. Basically, castling in this game is not necessary, since you set your pieces up from the start. You can create whatever protective position you want for your king in the deployment stage of set-up.
+Jeff K Would be an interesting game! Note that there is reason for the difference in values. On a larger board like this, bishops and rooks increase in power along with the size of the board. Pawns on the other hand decrease in power since they have a further distance to possibly queen. So ... beware!
Makes sense. Seems like a fun chess variant, can't wait to give it a go. Don't want to get too crazy without actually playing it, but my first impulse is to mix in an element of Capablanca/Seirawan chess with the addition of the marshal/elephant (rook+knight) and chancellor/hawk (bishop+knight), both valued at or near the 110 of the queen. Would change how those blocks play for sure, though... Thanks for the vid!
interesting. blue vs red, big board, set up at beginning ... I can see some similarities. both are great games. Stratego has some very close relatives in China, including Luzhanqi and dou shou qi. I think they may all be derived originally from Chinese chess, but there are many possibilities in those ancient game origins...
Having so many pieces makes things more interesting in plenty of way also (or being able to have them). Piece values can be assessed more dynamically all the time, various permutations of "cohorts" can be created, and "strike forces". There is proportionately more board to cover, etc. It is chess, but just MORE chess.Knights are special, but now MORE special because of PLINTS. Good thing too, or knights would be totally outshone by bishops. And then there is randomness, and non-prearrangements.
I love your videos! I have a question for you. If you have a block on one of the first two rows, can you deploy (start the game) a piece on top of said block?
A few rules questions: are there any rules allowing for castling or capturing en passant? Do pawns promote? If I end up with a plinth in the first row, can I deploy a knight on it?
+Morris Stegosaurus Thanks for the questions. I'm not so expert myself so let me direct you to the official rule booklet. I'm not sure if you have to sign up with Board Game Geek to view this or not (but signing up with them is not a big deal)... files.geekdo.com/geekfile_download.php?filetype=application%2Fpdf&filename=Shuuro+English+Rules.pdf&filecode=4n7wn9t2l2&validationcode=a2eb58a42b9cb42128ff4aaa74622a22
Yes .. and I would love to sell them, but they're no longer being manufactured. HOWEVER, I do find someone selling one on eBay in Italy (expensive shipping!) ... www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=shuuro&_sacat=0
the blocks should be mirrored or it's unfair. ( the blocks can block pawns from getting out one one side and not the other). also how can a pawn get a queen with them in the way?
Interesting looking game Rick. I'm curious if you're aware of the old 3M bookshelf game series from the 1960s and 1970s. They were a high quality series of games made into a box that looked like a leather bound book when It sat on the shelf. They had a wide variety of games which included two interesting chess variants. One was called Feudal and the other was called Ploy. They're no longer in production but are very Interesting games easily available on eBay for a reasonable price. If you're interested there are some video reviews on RUclips.
Thanks Dude, I know the series you mean, though I haven't looked into those games you mentioned. I'm very fond of the Staunton chess set they put out -- a perfect set beautifully carved, smaller than standard. I used to collect those. I'll have to check into the other games you mentioned some time
Thanks for the comment. I have to admit, my random sense has a certain balanced aesthetic. That is my high fashion Aloha Gold Hawaiian shirt, available exclusively as a hand-me-down from the people who used to live in this house before we bought it.
It was invented by Alessio Cavatore -- a very nice genius indeed. I think his most recent big production is a game called Labyrinth -- here's a long video with him actually playing the game ruclips.net/video/OogLnew-q3g/видео.html
how much money would i get if i became the Shuuro world champion? Also, where can i find more Shuuro game database material? I have "100 Grandmaster Shuuro Games" by Justin Case and "Winning with knight to J3" by Dr. Starglow Flashlight and Richie Cunningham, but it's hard to find other works on the subject. Also, in blitz games, do you do set up first and then start the clock? Also, has anyone actually ever played this game?
Hey Sally, you're WAY ahead of me in the Shuuro department! I love the game and sell the sets, but I don't know a lick about the higher level strategies and special tactics. I'll look forward to seeing you at the top of the heap when Shuuro hits the big time!
Thanks for asking. It seems to be sold out and out of stock wherever I look ... I've put the question to the game's inventor, Alessio Cavatore, and we'll see what he says. Get back to me if you don't hear within the next few days ... I'll see what I can find
THe knight moves normally around the block but -- most important -- the knight is the only piece that is allowed to land on top of a block. This gives the knight a special power (it can only be captured on the block by another knight) ... which is supposed to make up for the fact that the long-ranging rooks, queens and bishops have an increased range of motion on the large board. The knight has no increased range of motion, but instead has this special ability to land on the blocks.
@@AncientChess let's say that the knight is on c3 and there are block is on d5 and one on c5 can the knight go to the one on c5 or d5? I know of another variant that have floors to i wonder if it has the same principle...
@@danielbenyair300 OH, i see what you mean. It just goes to d5 ... there's no figuring for its change of level -- it's just as if the top of the block is the same as the square it is placed on
Thanks for asking. I get the sets from a distributor and sell them on my eBay site. Here's a link: stores.ebay.com/World-Chess-and-Fine-Arts?_dmd=2&_nkw=shuuro
Interesting game! I might remove the use of dice so as to make it a pure strategy game. And now that houseofstaunton.com sells 12x12 vinyl boards (with 2.25" squares), it would be easy to build a game. Amazon even sells a set of 10 nice 2"x2" wooden cubes for $16 USD :-) EDIT: though it looks like you would need to buy *5 complete sets* of chess pieces to handle the number of pieces allowed, which is up to 9 bishops, 9 knights, 6 rooks, 3 queens, 1 king and 18 pawns! And then you'd have a huge number of extra pawns lying around...
If humans had spent their time savoring new peaceful technologies (and discovering the Truth about their suppression) as much as a small subset enjoys chess and its many variations and styles, then it wouldn't have to be destroyed. Even so, while in this body I have a fondness for chess, and this variation is fascinating! I would expect that pawns have a terribly long way to go, but if structured with some efficiency both with each other and in relation to plints are still important.
Yeah, that's the special deal about the knights -- they have immunity from capture when on the plinths ... except from another knight. It's supposed to give compensation for the fact that they are relatively less powerful on the large board. That is, a rook, queen or bishop gets a very long range on this board, while the knights' range stays the same. Sorry to be a little in the dark, I had to look up what OP could mean but the abbreivations web site only gave me OPeration Out of Print Office Products Obras Publicas Other People's On Program Out-Patient On Plan One Piece Official Publication Open Position Ocean Pacific Open Platform Operating Plan Observation Post Overall Position Open Pollinated Orange Pekoe Operator Panel Original Post Oral Presentation Overland Park, Kansas Orthographic Projection and One Power
Thanks for the help on OP! I would recommend that you play with that conviction: use your 'buying points' to buy as many knights as you can, and place them where they have a clear path to landing on the plinths in as few moves as possible. Let's see if it's a winning strategy!
The rook are over price at 1.4 than knight and bishop at 1.33 than queen at 1.22 so buy max pawn and max queen 16 pawn and 4 queen 160 + 440 = 700 with 100 point left your stuck so i either 1 less pawn and buy a rook and a minor piece or I buy 2 less pawn and i buy 2 bishop and a knight.
+smashu2 I take back pawn are not as much a bargain than I thought because the board is bigger so there value decrease I think I would max out on queen for sure than the value of knight is decrease because the board is bigger but the platform make them immune to other piece so they are still pretty strong.
Think of the 'buying' pieces and arranging them as the 'opening of the game'. It's actually pretty quick (and shorter than a typical chess opening, in which players 'arrange' their pieces in the first several moves). There are many variants, both new and ancient, in which strategy begins with the initial setup of the pieces -- this is a 'new' one.
+Garrit Beitter True. To compensate, the knights are the only pieces allowed on the plinths, which gives them a strange untouchable power. Anyway, a good game, well worth a try
I don't know what you mean exactly. Do you understand that the player has to choose his pieces, so not all of the pieces in the set will actually be in play during the game?
Hey my Chess Friends!
I appear in this new 4-hour film series on the Culture of Chess!
INFO AND DOWNLOAD AT ideasroadshow.com/chess/
WATCH THE TRAILER AT ruclips.net/video/zLnOklDkTGQ/видео.html
DVD FOR PURCHASE ON AMAZON www.amazon.com//dp/B0C13M1B84/
The most interesting thing about Chess Variants is creating them.
Like your name haha... Where can I sign up for this club?
@@sammosaurusrex Its a state of mind. Keep the learning nice and slow, but always thorough and ongoing.
Slow learner's Chess Club
One of my pet peeves has always been putting unnecessary 0s on the end of everything. Instead of 800 points and everything costing 110/70/40/40/10, why not 80 points and everything costing 11/7/4/4/1. Much simpler, lol
Yeah it’s really weird. If you’ve ever looked at Card Wars, they do away with the zeroes and monsters tend to not have more than maybe 8 attack if they’re really powerful. I quite like the simplicity of it. Although that’s probbaly a design choice since its full of goofy cartoon drawings more than anything about the actual numbers.
You look like the Ace Ventura's informatic friend.
+Víctor Diego Gutiérrez Thanks ... I do try to be an informatic friend -- but will have to watch Ace Ventura again to remember the character...
Yes! It "stands like a horse" for eternity, untouchable. This privilege of knights gives them something special, to compensate for the fact that -- unlike bishop, rook and queen -- the knights do not gain any extended mobility on the extra-large board.
My friend said he had this game, really want to play it now. Thank you for making this video it was awesome. I hope I'll see more ancient chess videos soon...
Yes, only if it's a knight. Thanks for the good comment! More videos coming soon...
At first, I was, "Er, I don't know." But after watching the full video, this sounds like a great variant!
Great idea! When you get the set, you'll see that the inventor also loves innovation and encourages players to create their own variations of the game. This is a really nice game, and a well-made set. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for the question. I don't find any mention of castling in the rules. Basically, castling in this game is not necessary, since you set your pieces up from the start. You can create whatever protective position you want for your king in the deployment stage of set-up.
very interesting game set.
This looks exciting.
wow pawns are only a quarter of the knight/bishop and 1/7th of a rook? I would just go all pawns.
+Jeff K Would be an interesting game! Note that there is reason for the difference in values. On a larger board like this, bishops and rooks increase in power along with the size of the board. Pawns on the other hand decrease in power since they have a further distance to possibly queen. So ... beware!
But u can't go more than 16 pawns. But pawns are a bit broken. All pawns would only cost 160 points.
Is my favorite chess Channel on RUclips
Thanks for the great comment! Here is a list of my videos
ancientchess.com/page/videos.htm
Interesting question about the pieces. I also am fond of colorful pieces like this. However, right now they're only sold with the complete sets.
your game presentations are cool
Thanks for the great comment! I have many listed here: www.ancientchess.com/page/videos.htm
Makes sense. Seems like a fun chess variant, can't wait to give it a go. Don't want to get too crazy without actually playing it, but my first impulse is to mix in an element of Capablanca/Seirawan chess with the addition of the marshal/elephant (rook+knight) and chancellor/hawk (bishop+knight), both valued at or near the 110 of the queen. Would change how those blocks play for sure, though... Thanks for the vid!
interesting. blue vs red, big board, set up at beginning ... I can see some similarities. both are great games. Stratego has some very close relatives in China, including Luzhanqi and dou shou qi. I think they may all be derived originally from Chinese chess, but there are many possibilities in those ancient game origins...
Thanks for putting chess in perspective! We are all pawns, with a long way to go. Your comments are always welcome!
Yeah, it really is! Easy to play because it's just chess rules, but a wild ride with the unique set-up.
Having so many pieces makes things more interesting in plenty of way also (or being able to have them). Piece values can be assessed more dynamically all the time, various permutations of "cohorts" can be created, and "strike forces". There is proportionately more board to cover, etc. It is chess, but just MORE chess.Knights are special, but now MORE special because of PLINTS. Good thing too, or knights would be totally outshone by bishops. And then there is randomness, and non-prearrangements.
I love your videos! I have a question for you. If you have a block on one of the first two rows, can you deploy (start the game) a piece on top of said block?
Knight may be deployed...
Great idea! I'll have to run that by Alessio, the guy who invented the game. Very clever!
How does castling work, if at all?
A few rules questions: are there any rules allowing for castling or capturing en passant? Do pawns promote? If I end up with a plinth in the first row, can I deploy a knight on it?
+Morris Stegosaurus Thanks for the questions. I'm not so expert myself so let me direct you to the official rule booklet. I'm not sure if you have to sign up with Board Game Geek to view this or not (but signing up with them is not a big deal)... files.geekdo.com/geekfile_download.php?filetype=application%2Fpdf&filename=Shuuro+English+Rules.pdf&filecode=4n7wn9t2l2&validationcode=a2eb58a42b9cb42128ff4aaa74622a22
I would love to buy this
Yes .. and I would love to sell them, but they're no longer being manufactured. HOWEVER, I do find someone selling one on eBay in Italy (expensive shipping!) ... www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=shuuro&_sacat=0
the blocks should be mirrored or it's unfair. ( the blocks can block pawns from getting out one one side and not the other). also how can a pawn get a queen with them in the way?
Maybe you shouldn't place your pawns behind plinths then.
I really want to play
Interesting looking game Rick. I'm curious if you're aware of the old 3M bookshelf game series from the 1960s and 1970s. They were a high quality series of games made into a box that looked like a leather bound book when It sat on the shelf. They had a wide variety of games which included two interesting chess variants. One was called Feudal and the other was called Ploy. They're no longer in production but are very Interesting games easily available on eBay for a reasonable price. If you're interested there are some video reviews on RUclips.
Thanks Dude, I know the series you mean, though I haven't looked into those games you mentioned. I'm very fond of the Staunton chess set they put out -- a perfect set beautifully carved, smaller than standard. I used to collect those. I'll have to check into the other games you mentioned some time
Thanks for the comment. I have to admit, my random sense has a certain balanced aesthetic. That is my high fashion Aloha Gold Hawaiian shirt, available exclusively as a hand-me-down from the people who used to live in this house before we bought it.
I only have a few questions. What's your name, what's your website, what is this video about.
did you make up this game? cause if u do then damn u'r a genius, love it
It was invented by Alessio Cavatore -- a very nice genius indeed. I think his most recent big production is a game called Labyrinth -- here's a long video with him actually playing the game ruclips.net/video/OogLnew-q3g/видео.html
4:50 random sense of things! that made me laught. Also Nice t shirt
if your knight is on top of the block is it untouchable except by other knight
10 year ago!! Maybe this mod needs 10 years more to be popular!! maybe 100 years or in other life!!
Yeah, I'm afraid they stopped making these sets. But the game can always be resurrected by an enthusiastic chess lover!
reminds me of stratego
how much money would i get if i became the Shuuro world champion? Also, where can i find more Shuuro game database material? I have "100 Grandmaster Shuuro Games" by Justin Case and "Winning with knight to J3" by Dr. Starglow Flashlight and Richie Cunningham, but it's hard to find other works on the subject. Also, in blitz games, do you do set up first and then start the clock? Also, has anyone actually ever played this game?
Hey Sally, you're WAY ahead of me in the Shuuro department! I love the game and sell the sets, but I don't know a lick about the higher level strategies and special tactics. I'll look forward to seeing you at the top of the heap when Shuuro hits the big time!
Is it possible to buy it currently?
Thanks for asking. It seems to be sold out and out of stock wherever I look ... I've put the question to the game's inventor, Alessio Cavatore, and we'll see what he says. Get back to me if you don't hear within the next few days ... I'll see what I can find
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placing a pawn behind a block? could be a defense strategy. maybe just a bad placement. there's so much to consider here!...
Nifty
I know, right?
Tell it! Tell it!
does the knight just ignores the blocks or does it effect its movemant?
THe knight moves normally around the block but -- most important -- the knight is the only piece that is allowed to land on top of a block. This gives the knight a special power (it can only be captured on the block by another knight) ... which is supposed to make up for the fact that the long-ranging rooks, queens and bishops have an increased range of motion on the large board. The knight has no increased range of motion, but instead has this special ability to land on the blocks.
@@AncientChess let's say that the knight is on c3 and there are block is on d5 and one on c5 can the knight go to the one on c5 or d5?
I know of another variant that have floors to i wonder if it has the same principle...
@@danielbenyair300 OH, i see what you mean. It just goes to d5 ... there's no figuring for its change of level -- it's just as if the top of the block is the same as the square it is placed on
@@AncientChess that is what i meant thank you😊
Where did you buy shurro
Thanks for asking. I get the sets from a distributor and sell them on my eBay site. Here's a link: stores.ebay.com/World-Chess-and-Fine-Arts?_dmd=2&_nkw=shuuro
Interessante, eu gostaris de trazer este jogo para o Brasil
Obrigado pelo bom comentário. Eu acho que os brasileiros vão gostar! Espero que não seja muito caro enviar.
AncientChess não estou encontrando o game para a venda em seu site .
Interesting game! I might remove the use of dice so as to make it a pure strategy game. And now that houseofstaunton.com sells 12x12 vinyl boards (with 2.25" squares), it would be easy to build a game. Amazon even sells a set of 10 nice 2"x2" wooden cubes for $16 USD :-)
EDIT: though it looks like you would need to buy *5 complete sets* of chess pieces to handle the number of pieces allowed, which is up to 9 bishops, 9 knights, 6 rooks, 3 queens, 1 king and 18 pawns! And then you'd have a huge number of extra pawns lying around...
if a knight is on top of a block, it can only be captured by another knight. correct?
+Jon Erlend Correct! A very important power of the knight in this game
Ok, thank you. Really considering buying the game
+Jon Erlend Great, I have a few in stock
If humans had spent their time savoring new peaceful technologies (and discovering the Truth about their suppression) as much as a small subset enjoys chess and its many variations and styles, then it wouldn't have to be destroyed. Even so, while in this body I have a fondness for chess, and this variation is fascinating! I would expect that pawns have a terribly long way to go, but if structured with some efficiency both with each other and in relation to plints are still important.
Man, those knights are OP!
If they land on one of the obstacles, can they be eaten by any other pieces but another knight?
Yeah, that's the special deal about the knights -- they have immunity from capture when on the plinths ... except from another knight. It's supposed to give compensation for the fact that they are relatively less powerful on the large board. That is, a rook, queen or bishop gets a very long range on this board, while the knights' range stays the same.
Sorry to be a little in the dark, I had to look up what OP could mean but the abbreivations web site only gave me
OPeration
Out of Print
Office Products
Obras Publicas
Other People's
On Program
Out-Patient
On Plan
One Piece
Official Publication
Open Position
Ocean Pacific
Open Platform
Operating Plan
Observation Post
Overall Position
Open Pollinated
Orange Pekoe
Operator Panel
Original Post
Oral Presentation
Overland Park, Kansas
Orthographic Projection
and One Power
It means over powered. More powerful that what would be fair.
Thanks for the help on OP! I would recommend that you play with that conviction: use your 'buying points' to buy as many knights as you can, and place them where they have a clear path to landing on the plinths in as few moves as possible. Let's see if it's a winning strategy!
The rook are over price at 1.4 than knight and bishop at 1.33 than queen at 1.22 so buy max pawn and max queen 16 pawn and 4 queen 160 + 440 = 700 with 100 point left your stuck so i either 1 less pawn and buy a rook and a minor piece or I buy 2 less pawn and i buy 2 bishop and a knight.
+smashu2 I take back pawn are not as much a bargain than I thought because the board is bigger so there value decrease I think I would max out on queen for sure than the value of knight is decrease because the board is bigger but the platform make them immune to other piece so they are still pretty strong.
+smashu2 -- thanks for the comment -- sounds like you really got the strategy going on here. Have you tried the game?
not a bad variant
there are 705 possible armies that add up to 800 points, I have the list but its too big to put as a comment
+breathless792 Thanks for doing the math for us! It really shows that this game allows a staggering number of variations -- from the very beginning!
Ive just noticed Ive gone wrong somewhere, Ill have to redo it,I'll post the solutions over several posts grouped by number of pieces
update it seems I was right about the number of possibiltes it is 705, my list was just a bit messed up
"I found a remarkable list of the possible armies, but there is not enough space in this comment to write it."
i think ill buy this im 15 years old and i rather enjoy chss and i think this will be interesting
Thanks, you can find it on my web site AncientChess com, by clicking the Modern Variants selection toward the bottom of the page.
Oh no, are they putting ads on my videos now ... even though I didn't 'go commercial'? Argh.
Knight starts with a "K" my g
K is for king already, isn't it?
Its aswm but I don't like the buying and arranging pieces.Its a slow process.
Think of the 'buying' pieces and arranging them as the 'opening of the game'. It's actually pretty quick (and shorter than a typical chess opening, in which players 'arrange' their pieces in the first several moves). There are many variants, both new and ancient, in which strategy begins with the initial setup of the pieces -- this is a 'new' one.
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Can’t beat ancient RUclips
Cool variant
Yeah baby!
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I think, the bishops and knights are unbalanced. By a board of 12x12 the bishops are getting stronger than the knights.
+Garrit Beitter True. To compensate, the knights are the only pieces allowed on the plinths, which gives them a strange untouchable power. Anyway, a good game, well worth a try
Wat if I got to put a plinth onto a plinth?
...re-roll
you ok in the video?
I'm OK by me. OK by you? :)
@@AncientChess yes
An aside, but you look like John Abruzzi (Peter Stormare) from Prison Break.
+Oluwafunmiwo Sholola -- Thanks for mentioning my cinematographic potential. I'm such a badass!
Yes, I actually believe it's derived from Chinese chess.
You have kids!? Do they take as much interest in chess as you do?
My kids learned to play chess but don't really get the fun of it. No competition for XBox.
ok. hahaha!. aloha. If you sell the shirt let me know. I would pay with gold...
oh man I thought of a variation thats ten times better than this game
Wow, that's a really cool variation! Thanks for sharing!
Game of shuuro has too many pieces
I don't know what you mean exactly. Do you understand that the player has to choose his pieces, so not all of the pieces in the set will actually be in play during the game?
@@rickknowlton9990 hi Rick do you play Shuuro online?
@@AustriaZz I haven't tried it yet...
Chess with dice. Just no.