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Gold Medal Match: Men's 3.5 19+ at Nationals 2022

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  • Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2022
  • Cameron Gilliam & Alex Tran vs Andy & Danny Lum
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Комментарии • 101

  • @Jason-zt1rj
    @Jason-zt1rj Год назад +66

    Great match, great play, thank you for showing this... but... it highlights the main issue with tournament play. Sandbagging. There isn't a rec play court in the country where these guys would play at 3.5 level. This is 4.0 level play at absolute worst, probably more like 4.25 level play, maybe even 4.5 level play on some points. To go to a national tournament and sandbag this badly, which gives all the legit 3.5 players entered no chance to win at all, is just pitiful. I hope there is a way to policy this using DUPR or other ratings systems in the future.

    • @shirleyweis
      @shirleyweis Год назад +4

      I've heard how players manipulate DUPR ratings as well, it's sad

    • @brucewilliam4305
      @brucewilliam4305 Год назад +6

      4.0.. 4.25 on a good day. But def not 3.5. And sandbagging for sure, as if there is a bunch of money on the line. Lol.

    • @pbkid11
      @pbkid11 Год назад +2

      The players should unite their forces to have the Tournament change their rules instead of players getting upset with players. You cannot play up at Nationals, its by whatever your UTPR is. You could have been a 3.5 when you qualified, gotten better the rest of the year , but lets say you only drilled and did some round robins. Your UTPR would not have gotten higher and you are stuck in the same 3.5-3.99 range.

    • @ashtontate2347
      @ashtontate2347 Год назад +14

      These players qualified for nationals over 6 months ago. They put in the time and hours to get better just as every other team in this tournament did. Do you expect them to not get better in 6 months of playing? It's not sandbagging, it's called practice.

    • @benthatchervideo
      @benthatchervideo Год назад

      @@shirleyweis how so?

  • @brianmacdougall5261
    @brianmacdougall5261 Год назад +10

    This is the level of play I aspire to. Great points. This is like watching the attainable. The pros? Not so much. Thanks for posting this. Liked and subscribed.

  • @camerongilliam872
    @camerongilliam872 Год назад +8

    Thanks for filming and the great commentary! Looking forward to seeing the Hanlons and Lums at future events!

  • @LumDeeDum1985
    @LumDeeDum1985 Год назад +7

    Thanks for uploading Hanlons, class acts and awesome players. A pleasure!

  • @harrisonaero
    @harrisonaero 9 дней назад +1

    really nice level of play- easy to see the mistakes but also the skill to get to this level #intermediatemasterclass

  • @26realmc
    @26realmc Год назад +35

    4 Sandbaggers right there 😂No way they are only 3.5

    • @brunowolfe9172
      @brunowolfe9172 Год назад +3

      This is the problem with competitive pickle ball right now

    • @TC-dw6wg
      @TC-dw6wg Год назад +4

      I guess neither of you listened to explanation on ratings in this tournament.

    • @26realmc
      @26realmc Год назад +5

      @@TC-dw6wg please explain the ''special' ratings for this particular tournament. I've literally never heard of any tournament creating their own special rating system. What a load of crap.

    • @dennisdelossantos260
      @dennisdelossantos260 10 месяцев назад

      I mean… if they don’t have an official rating then it is what it is 😂

    • @mchaseross13
      @mchaseross13 6 месяцев назад

      Same thing happens in tennis. People rate themselves and tend to underrate themselves if they never played competitive pickleball before, but were already really good. For USTA tennis, getting to nationals at a specific level automatically meant that player had to move up to the next level. I’ve never played competitive pickleball, but I’d imagine it’s no different for pickleball than it is in tennis.

  • @rdwilander
    @rdwilander Год назад +3

    Great video of good play, sportsmanship, and commentary.

  • @everevolvinglw
    @everevolvinglw Год назад +3

    Excellent commentary! Thanks for sharing.

  • @byalextran
    @byalextran Год назад +3

    appreciate you sharing this video with commentary!

  • @psucsi4145
    @psucsi4145 Год назад +3

    3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 it's all relative to clubs, regions, and tournament circuits. The commentator's statement of how they are in the 3.5 here but would be 4.0+ in any other tournament seems to support that. DUPR may be a step in the right direction, but from what I have read, there are ways to massage that rating.

    • @26realmc
      @26realmc Год назад +1

      Rubbish! They are not 3.5 players regardless of where they are from.

    • @TC-dw6wg
      @TC-dw6wg Год назад

      Rubbish you say? 😂😂

    • @26realmc
      @26realmc Год назад

      PB ratings are not relative. Where did you read this or who told you that? The only thing that varies is players over stating their rating in rec play so they get to play with better players or understating so they can sandbag in tournaments to win medals against weaker opponents. The commentators statement is BS.

  • @MarcusWolford
    @MarcusWolford 3 месяца назад

    Did this match take place on Halloween? Because I’ve never seen better 3.5 costumes from these 4.5 players. Incredible!

  • @hoyvintagecycles2936
    @hoyvintagecycles2936 8 месяцев назад +1

    Alex is a 4.8 doubles rating. Cameron is a 4.37. how are they in 3.5 tourney ? just curious. maybe at the time they were 3.5 to 4.0?

  • @benthatchervideo
    @benthatchervideo Год назад +1

    It seems to be that unless it’s a lob or overhead ball, you don’t try to hit it fast as hell to keep them in the backcourt, you just carefully aim it there - it seems

  • @muscrum
    @muscrum Год назад +2

    No unified rating system crazy. This year’s 4.5 mixed tournament, Gabriel Tardio was playing with a DUPR rating of 6.34. What rating system do they use? If players have competed in pro (PPA, APP, MLP) why are they competing below 5.0 even taking into consideration combined average ratings.

    • @pbkid11
      @pbkid11 Год назад +2

      They use UTPR rating for nationals , so if you play unsanctioned tournaments the whole year , you are stuck in whatever your UTPR is .
      DUPR is irrelevant for this unfortunately

    • @kimleith1378
      @kimleith1378 Год назад +2

      #sandbag

  • @benthatchervideo
    @benthatchervideo Год назад +3

    9:11 wow, thats great skill

  • @sharonwilson9520
    @sharonwilson9520 7 месяцев назад

    3.5, really? They are all excellent players and in my area, they'd be ranked much higher. So fun to watch!

  • @eonstot
    @eonstot Год назад

    I'm new and this is almost certainly an obvious question. But there seems to be conflicting information online about the side you serve from in doubles. My friends and I were playing that even=serve from the right and odd=serve from the left, but watching this I guess we were wrong!

    • @TeamHanlonPickleball
      @TeamHanlonPickleball  Год назад +1

      Here's a clear explanation of serving rules: usapickleball.org/what-is-pickleball/how-to-play-old/basics/serving/

    • @raymondayeung
      @raymondayeung Год назад +1

      It depends which player you look at but it's easier to track the player who started the match on the right. So say you served first on your team at zero, then every time it's an even score, you are on the right. And when it's an odd score, then you are on the left side.

  • @wendellsmith2865
    @wendellsmith2865 Год назад +3

    If Home Depot runs out of sandbags, I know where they can get some more!

    • @TC-dw6wg
      @TC-dw6wg Год назад

      Relished to beginning where it’s explained how the rating works here.

  • @NateDoria
    @NateDoria Год назад +4

    He said that they’d be 4.0 or 4.5 in any other tournament. These guys are absolutely 3.5-4.0. At best just above 4.0. Haha not even close to 4.5. The amount of shots that would have gone out and the lack of consistency. I’d say this looked like a 4.0 match

  • @Wifidev
    @Wifidev Год назад +4

    This is sandbagging at its finest

  • @lesterma1608
    @lesterma1608 11 месяцев назад

    Can you throw the ball up in the air when serving?

    • @TeamHanlonPickleball
      @TeamHanlonPickleball  11 месяцев назад

      Yes, you can throw the ball up as long as you don't spin the ball and the paddle doesn't make contact above your waist.

    • @lesterma1608
      @lesterma1608 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@TeamHanlonPickleball cannot be thrown or tossed, check it out! No tossing which means throwing the ball up in the air! Very clear on that!

  • @tommcnutt2582
    @tommcnutt2582 Год назад +2

    Way to sandbag fellas for a medal.

    • @TnsToad
      @TnsToad Год назад +1

      You wanna see some real sandbagging? Go to a USTA nationals.

  • @ridedc
    @ridedc Год назад +4

    Jeez these guys would be 4.5 where I live 😅 Awesome playing.

    • @kimleith1378
      @kimleith1378 Год назад +4

      sand baggers in every tournament.

    • @pbkid11
      @pbkid11 Год назад

      California is know for their high levels on average

    • @billrichards9458
      @billrichards9458 Год назад +1

      They'd be 3.5 here in FL

  • @thinkplanetearth2946
    @thinkplanetearth2946 Год назад

    Really great match. Amazing skill by all. It's a shame about the ridiculously loud music and announcing from the pro-side, it felt like I was at a wrestling match. The only thing missing was the announcer yelling, 'let's get ready to ruuuummmbble...!' Really annoying and unnecessary.

  • @TheGjb1952
    @TheGjb1952 Год назад +7

    How bad do you want a medal ? Just watch these sandbaggers.

    • @pbkid11
      @pbkid11 Год назад +6

      Nationals is known to have high level competition , take a look at how the rules are set up and why some players are stuck in the division they play in.
      Also keep in mind , some of these players improve greatly over the year before nationals, but if they dont play sanctioned tournaments their UTPR remains the same and you cannot play up in Nationals.

    • @LumDeeDum1985
      @LumDeeDum1985 Год назад +1

      @@pbkid11 Thank you for this comment!

    • @ckrealtor11
      @ckrealtor11 Год назад

      @@pbkid11 When I watched this, I was thinking this is some of the worst sandbagging I've seen, so thanks for the clarification, that makes sense.

    • @pbkid11
      @pbkid11 Год назад +1

      @@ckrealtor11 completely understandable , these were good players on both sides .

    • @Ricky3430
      @Ricky3430 Год назад +2

      At the beginning of 2022 Alex Tran was already playing 4.5 doubles. It’s sandbagging.

  • @PeteHaines-ew6wq
    @PeteHaines-ew6wq 4 месяца назад +1

    is Andy's serve illegal???? he is tossing the ball up before he serves it?

    • @champabay4746
      @champabay4746 3 месяца назад

      It is now not when this came out

    • @rdelnaja2558
      @rdelnaja2558 2 месяца назад

      You're confusing it with the Drop serve, you cannot toss the ball on a drop serve. The volley serve you toss it up as high as you can as long as you hit it below the navel.

  • @golfmaniac007
    @golfmaniac007 Год назад

    i like music while playing pickleball but not that loud

  • @rianweston-dodds6247
    @rianweston-dodds6247 Год назад

    Good commentating 👏

  • @lindenanderson969
    @lindenanderson969 Год назад +1

    Yes they are sand baggers for sure 4.0 for sure

  • @sj-uc9ke
    @sj-uc9ke Год назад

    Do they use Dura or Franklin?

  • @At8m
    @At8m Год назад

    When are you going to commentate pro matches?

  • @brocklanders5587
    @brocklanders5587 Год назад

    The one guy hit the ball around the end of the net into the court, is that legal?

  • @hunter_greene
    @hunter_greene Год назад +1

    Toughest competition in the world aka most sand baggers.

  • @kdwurl
    @kdwurl Год назад +2

    And Gillian is DUPR 4.69. Looks exactly this skill level.

  • @SDPBALLCOACH
    @SDPBALLCOACH Год назад

    Funny how they play like their hair's on fire at these levels (even if they are sandbagging) then, watch the Pro and 5.0 levels who play MUCH more controlled games.
    Very interesting.

  • @dennismoffatt1660
    @dennismoffatt1660 Год назад +2

    both teams are sand bagging......

  • @Sleepless222
    @Sleepless222 Год назад +1

    If these guys think they're 3.5 then I must be 0.5 playing with a wooden paddle, an indoor Onix rubber ball while outdoors, and always standing 2 feet in the kitchen.

    • @TC-dw6wg
      @TC-dw6wg Год назад

      You are a 0.5 player! 😂

  • @jaybling3189
    @jaybling3189 9 месяцев назад

    4.0-4.5

  • @DrMJBull
    @DrMJBull Год назад +1

    3.5???? Me think not even close, more like 4-4.5

  • @jackparsons8396
    @jackparsons8396 Год назад

    Why would anyone think that people would enjoy loud music playing during official matches? Why rely on 1930's loudspeaker technology to make annoying and distracting announcements while people are playing instead of using the cyber technology available to us today?

  • @Max-kj1xb
    @Max-kj1xb Год назад

    Enjoyed the match but, Background noise was obnoxious

    • @TeamHanlonPickleball
      @TeamHanlonPickleball  Год назад

      Give them a call and tell them to turn down the music next year. Thanks.
      😄

    • @pbkid11
      @pbkid11 Год назад

      @@TeamHanlonPickleball Haha , love this.

  • @cresina
    @cresina Год назад +2

    some of the worst sandbagging i’ve ever seen, what 3.5s are doing mid court resets and long dink rallies, this is so sad to watch hope these guys play the level they’re suppose to play

  • @AlexK-en1gf
    @AlexK-en1gf Год назад +1

    Should be in 4.0... yikes.

  • @gabelopez781
    @gabelopez781 Год назад +2

    People that think this is 4.0 play are so hilarious... too many games at the YMCA. One of the biggest differences in the jump from 3.5 to 4.0 is shot placement, strategy, and CONSISTENCY. These guys are mid 3.5s for sure (at the time of this tournament)

  • @Gadzs_
    @Gadzs_ Год назад

    They make odd errors so I’d say 4.0 tbh.

  • @TC-dw6wg
    @TC-dw6wg Год назад

    That music is just annoying! Great match, lousy club.

  • @ManoloFernandez434
    @ManoloFernandez434 5 месяцев назад

    very annoying loud music!

  • @kentw377
    @kentw377 11 месяцев назад

    And who thought the loud music and buffoon on the microphone was a good idea for a pickleball tournament? 🤷‍♂️