The Top 20 Biggest Misconceptions in Pickleball
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Good video. Couple things from frequently asked questions on the fb rules forum.
I think we need to get away from the term establish/re-establish when it comes to the nvz and one's feet. This term is not in the rule book and can add ambiguity as to what does re-establish mean. The rule only says both feet must make contact outside the nvz.
Double hits in one continuous motion have always been legal. No change was made to that rule. What the change was is the removal of the word intentional in the carry rule. Previously, if you did not intend to carry the ball, you were fine. Now all carries are illegal regardless of intention. The change was made so refs did not have to get into the head of a player.
I have never heard #19 be a misconception. More commonly is the situation where a player is standing out of bounds and gets hit by a ball before it bounces. They think because they were out of bounds, the shot should be considered out. It's an extension of the nasty nelson. Basically it is a fault on a player anytime they are hit by a live ball regardless of where they are standing.
In regards to the momentum rule, I think it's important to talk about the time component of the rule. A ball becomes dead or the shot is played back by your opponent if the momentum from a previous volley takes you into the nvz, it is a fault on you. Many people have a hard time understanding why this is the case.
There are a ton of questions on line calls. What makes a ball in, who's call is it, what if partners disagree etc etc. you could probably do a whole video on that.
Quickly becoming one of my favorite PB channels
Can’t believe yall didn’t address how long after a volley can you go into the kitchen, even if the point is “dead”…. I’m pretty sure until the next point starts. So if your opponent teeters on the kitchen line for 10 seconds then falls in after they put the ball away it’s a fault if you didn’t start the next point. I’m pretty sure! Not 100%. Would have been nice if yall addressed that. Maybe you could answer that by responding here. Other than that great video 💪🏼
There’s so many more to cover so we’ll likely do it again down the road!
I've heard different views on this...are you allowed to physically intervene to prevent your partner from falling into the kitchen?
@@allanheeyes
After you volley a ball momentum cannot carry you in to the kitchen. You have to establish that your momentum has stopped, and then you can go into the kitchen
@@connorcampbell885that makes the most sense
On #18 there actually is let re-serves in some (but not many) events/levels. At PPA Pro Level for example if the ball clips the net on the serve the ref will call "Let Serve, Re-Serve" and it's a re-do serve.
Correct. At a pro level, some rules are different like lets and drop serves. We just covered what any amateur would need to know since that’s the most common
Great content, thanks! Really love your detailed methodical thoroughness.
Great job explaining all the fault shots!! Many of the fault shots I did not know!
So glad it helped!
Really well done and informative!
I liked your list but there are a few others I would have liked to see. One, where to stand when serving and whether you can stand outside the side line (extended) when starting your service motion if you are within the lines when you actually make contact. Second, when you serve, you have to make contact with your feet outside the court boundary, but can you go into the court on your follow through after you make contact?
We made a whole serve video previously so decided to stay away from too many serve rules since they’ve been covered by us before. This is all good info everyone needs to know though!
Great Vid thanks!!
Whoa, thanks for this!
excellent! I love hearing rule intricacies
Great video, Shea & Caleb!
I incorporate a flat (i.e., no spin) upward toss into my service motion. Some players in my local meta have gotten belligerent about this being illegal. Keep in mind that these are folks who have no idea what the PPA is, so they're not even aware of the rules changes introduced this year for that pro circuit.
I've had players argue that an upward toss falls under the "manipulation" definition of the restriction against imparting spin and manipulation on ball prior to the volley serve.
What's the most definitive, authoritative source I can point these players to help them come around to understanding that they're interpreting the rule incorrectly?
Sheesh...that's kind of a lot to remember, but at least MOST of them are obvious. Good video...THANKS, guys
Great video! One point on touching the net. You can touch the net after the ball becomes dead and still win the point. For example, I hit my opponent with the ball and my follow through causes me to touch the net. It's my point as long as the ball became dead before I touch the net.
touching the net is a fault only if the ball is live when you touch the net.
That would happen so fast you would need a video replay to confirm the ball was dead (Hit opponent) before the paddle hit the net
Well done. 👍🏼
Awesome! My question is if the ball still hits the middle line on a serve but is more towards the other square? (You’re serving to your opponents right box and it hits the middle line but is mostly in the left box.
A shot that hits the middle line at all, even barely grazing it, would be in no matter which service box is the target for the serve.
Awesome video. Best thing,.... I knew all of these! So, when dinking, if you are outside the NVZ (kitchen), and you lean in, the ball actually bounces, you are leaning and hit it after the bounce in the kitchen, then you get your balance by resting your paddle on the ground in the kitchen... this should be ok, right! I think it is ok, but you can address this! It bounced first!
Thanks...
Very well done video
One that I experience all the time is the opposition talking after they hit the ball and it is my team's turn to play the shot. Is this a hindrance? Is there a hindrance rule?
If your opponents are communicating to each other about the game, legal. If they say, "Don't miss!" or whatever to distract, not legal. From:
11.J. Distractions. Players may not distract an opponent when the opponent is about to play the ball. If in the judgment of the referee a distraction has occurred, the referee shall immediately call a fault on the offending team.
and
3.A.7. Distraction - Physical actions by a player that are ‘not common to the game’ that, in the judgment of the referee, may interfere with the opponent’s ability or concentration to hit the ball. Examples include, but are not limited to, making loud noises, stomping feet,
waving the paddle in a distracting manner, or otherwise interfering with the opponent’s
concentration or ability to hit the ball.
have ya'll covered the double or triple bounce drop serve?
Great video - you addressed some uncommon scenarios that I never thought of before and cleared up some confusion from just reading the rulebook. I just wish you took some time to re-record and edit confusing sentences and clarify what (to me) sound like mispronounced words like illegal and legal.
Section #1 BALL BOUNCING OVER THE NET
1:15 to 1:17 “... but if I hit the net, it doesn’t just end the rally…” I’m pretty sure you mean “if the ball hits the net”. Later on (#6), you specifically state that you can’t touch the net.
Section #3 BEING ESTABLISHED OUTSIDE THE KITCHEN
2:09 to 2:15 “… if you ever step into the kitchen, you need to establish both feet outside to be (unintelligible) able to hit a volley after that point.” I re-played it a dozen times and most times it sounds like you say “illegally”, but by context you must mean “legally”. Suggestion: replace all words after “outside” with “before you return the volley to avoid a NVZ fault.”
#4 ERNE CANT’ (sic) CROSS THE PLANE OF THE NET…
3:39 to 3:44 “The problem is, most players try to make contact on the opponents’ side of the court, and that’s legal.” Why not just say a fault? Once again, in context, it wouldn’t make sense to call this legal.
#9 OBJECTS ON THE COURT and #11 CAN YOU THROW YOUR PADDLE TO HIT A BALL
Multiple of questions here.
8:28 to 8:35 “if you take a volley out of the air and then your paddle drops into the kitchen, that would be a fault” - I think it’s a fault any time your paddle drops into the kitchen!
8:35 to 8:39 “but, if you take a volley out of the air and your paddle falls outside the kitchen, totally fine!”
Section #9 states that objects dropped onto the court during play become part of the court until the play has ended. Does that apply to paddles? Is the player allowed to pick their paddle up and continue play if the ball is still in play? You preface many statements with "if you are swinging at a ball", do the rules change if you are throwing your paddle from one hand to another before swinging at the ball?
Overall, the video was great and informative!
This is great! Helping settle some arguments.
If a player tries to Nasty someone but they are standing outside of the blue box is that still a point?
Yes, it’s still a point
@@mklubeck Thank you!
If the ball hits the net, trickles onto the opponents’ kitchen (meaning the ball doesn’t hit the horizontal bar on the way down) and THEN bounces backward and hits the horizontal bar, is there a re-serve?
Commenting for th algo! Another great video by u2!
Thank you!!
If your opponent returns a ball to the outside line of the NVZ that subsequently backspins back over the net, can you then cross the net plane with your body to your opponents side of the court, and then hit the ball in to your opponent's side of court?
I saw this happen the other day and opinions differed. Thanks in advance for your reply.
I now have to unlearn putting spin on the ball when tossing it for a serve 😬
Foot on the kitchen line fault. There is a scenerio where it is legal. If your toe curl on the sole of your shoe goes up and back 2 inches before it touches the court, you are allowed 2 inches of your shoe on the line as your sole is technically not in the kitchen. Kitchen faults are surface related. I have contacted both pickleball canada and USAPA and both concur. Great video btw!!!
Rules state that you can not make contact with the net system while the ball is live. 7.G. A player, a player’s apparel, or a player’s paddle contacting the net system, the net posts, or the opponent’s court, when the ball is live.
#8 You also can not make contact with the NVZ with your paddle prior to volleying the ball. 9.B.2. If the paddle touches the non-volley zone during the volley motion, before or after contacting the ball, it is a fault.
#9 If a ball falls out of your pocket during a rally that is a fault. 7.N. In non-officiated matches, players may carry an additional
pickleball(s) as long as the ball(s) is carried in a way that the ball(s) is not visible to their opponent(s) during play. If an additional ball that a player was carrying falls on the playing surface during play, a fault shall be declared.
I have a question. If you take a volley outside of the kitchen and your paddle falls out of your hand INTO the kitchen (or any part of it falls on the kitchen line), its a fault. But WHAT IF it's sailing out of your hand and you can grab it, or grab at it, knocking it back out of the kitchen before it lands in there?
Nothing hit the kitchen in the process of a volley, no fault.
Side note: for the purpose of no-volley-zone infractions, only a team’s own no volley zone is considered the NVZ/kitchen. So, imagine a similar scenario to the one you just mentioned. You are hitting a volley from outside of the kitchen, and you hit a good shot that the opponent can’t return, but your paddle starts to slip. You bobble the paddle for a long time, trying to grab it, and as you do, the ball bounces twice after landing on the opponent’s side. It’s your point, but if you commit a NVZ infraction, then it actually won’t be your point because NVZ infractions take precedence over other faults. After bobbling the paddle in your hands for a while, never touching the kitchen, you end up smacking the paddle over the net and into the opponent’s kitchen. This would be your point! It’s not a NVZ infraction because those only happen in your own kitchen. The normal fault of touching your opponent’s court doesn’t matter because the point already ended with the ball bouncing twice.
Fun little rules scenario.
I have a question about the drop serve. Are you allowed to throw the ball into the air? I know that the rules say you can't throw it against the ground (because it would give an unusually high bounce), but what about throwing it upwards? If the ball is falling from higher it will bounce higher, so I assume it wouldn't be allowed, but I'm not 100% sure
Can’t throw it in any direction. Probably why they call it a drop serve and not a bounce serve.
Yep the rule is in the name. A drop serve must be a drop and nothing else. But the fun part about that serve is that you can hit it any way you like after it bounces
Can you get on one knee and drop the ball so you'll be in a better position for a slice serve?
Hey, that's cool you teamed up with Shea.
Shea’s the best!
One I need to check…if you serve out of rotation or from the wrong side…what happens? And is it dependent on when it is noticed/realized?
If no one catches you on it, you can actually just stay in that position and then keep playing. Even if someone notices later, they can’t take away a previous point from you.
If they notice immediately after you serve from the wrong spot though, they can take your point for being in the wrong position
If it hits any part of the center line (past the nvz line) it is a good serve.
On #5, parts of the net. One thing not addressed in your video (which was very good by the way).On my court the wire holding the net is about an inch outside the post. If this is hit during an ATP, I believe this is a fault.
My understanding is the the cord (or tape) is part of the net even the part that passes over the post. So hitting that part would be legal.
Hitting the cord between the end of the net and the post is a fault. Nor can the ball pass under the cord between the post and net
The second reply is correct…it’s a fault.
@@mklubeck The second reply is NOT correct! A ball hitting the net cord between the end of the net and the post is not a fault. 11.L.1. If the ball strikes the top of the net or the top net cable or rope that is between the net post and the net and lands inbounds, it remains in play. A ball hitting the top of the post might hit only the cord, but as it would be impossible to determine that the ball only contacted the cord and not the post top, it would be ruled a fault.
@@nickperez3764 Thanks! I agree - I reviewed the reference and I stand corrected.
I probably miss heard this, but did you say the serve can hit the net and if it lands in the correct quadrant it is a legal serve and play continues? If so, why do they re-serve those “net” serves in MLP?
Pros play by a slightly different set of rules than amateurs. One of those rules is that a serve that hits the net and still lands in is considered a let which leads to a re-serve. But for the majority of players who are not playing pro, the serve is played whether or not it touches the net.
In doubles, during a serve, do both the players of the serving team need to be outside the serving line or only the one serving?
Only the one serving needs to be behind the baseline. Partner’s stay behind the line often to get ready for the return that should come deep into the court
Bro does rocket league and pickle ball RUclips props to you
ok ok but what if the ball has so much underspin (or its super windy) that the ball bounces on your side of the court and hits the net (not the bar on a temp net) before you get a chance to hit it. Is that a re-do? Or a point for the other team since you failed to make contact with the ball?
You getting a chance to hit the ball has nothing to do with anything. In this case, one player failed to hit a return, it’s their opponent’s point.
#4 was confusing because you said your body can be carried past the plane of the next just fine, and immediately after that said if your body crosses the plane of the net into the opponent's side of the court, it's a fault.
contact has to happen on your side of the plane then your body can cross
Yep! You’re allowed to cross the plane of the net if it occurs after you hit the ball. But if you cross the plane before you touch the ball, it’s a fault
Follow up to this: If I break the plane on an erne prior to hitting the ball, it's a fault. In the scenario of the back spin ball bouncing on my side and bouncing over the net to the opponent's side, then it's okay to break the plane? Is that because the ball bounced first?
@@suybean1 i wouldn't say it's because the ball bounced first, but because you HAVE to cross the plane to contact the ball
During a rally, my partner volleyed a ball and teetered at the kitchen line. I saw this and went to grab her, but in the moment of it all, I wasn't sure if I could step into the kitchen to do the "saving". Is there a rule on stepping into the kitchen to save her? (I did pull her back and we won the point, YEA!) TIA.
If u were in the kitchen or entered it to help her, when you touch her “two became one” and its a nvz infraction
What if I make a skyball serve with a lot of backspin and was able to make the ball come over the net. Can the returner step into the kitchen and reach over the net?
Absolutely. The fact that it’s on the serve makes no difference. They can also still step in the kitchen whenever, especially because hitting a volley off the serve would be illegal no matter where you’re standing.
When does a volly momentum-continuation-into-the-nvz-fault possibility end? eg I volly, ball crosses the net and bounces twice and I fall into the nvz. ??
Once your momentum changes direction! So if youre going forward after a volley, the continuation would end when you stop completely or go another direction
@@CrackedPickleballI think the wording is that it ends when you gain control of your momentum. If it was when you change direction, imagine someone leaning over the line and sort of tiptoeing right along it after hitting a volley, trying to reach out of bounds so they can fall forwards outside of the kitchen. This person taking a big 90 degree pivot step into the kitchen would be “changing direction” before stepping in but would still lose the point.
How about this one? The guy hit a slam shot, that hit the crossbar on the portable net, and bounced off of that and over the net. He tried to call it in, which was pretty funny, but I think he was serious. We called a fault.
you guys make a point on the first tip that we can only hit the ball on the other side once it has crossed the net-plane. so i can't reach over early and wait for it on the other side with my paddle?
Yep pretty much!
Ref "you guys make a point on the first tip that we can only hit the ball on the other side once it has crossed the net-plane."
Your sentence is poorly worded.
It should say "you guys make a point on the first tip that we can only cross the plane of the net with our paddle after the ball has crossed the plane of the net."
The ball must cross the plane of the net before your paddle can cross the pane of the net to hit it.
@@CWK090 if you understood it then it's worded well-enough 😂
@@shih_nanigans
If the rule says (paraphrasing what you said)
"The player can only hit the ball on the other side once it has crossed the net-plane." , then it would be OK to move your paddle across the plane of the net before the ball moves across the plane of the net, as long as you don't hit the ball, and that is not true. That is a fault.
I'm not arguing. Just want readers to understand the rules. With rules, details matter.
Strictly from the USAPA? That PPA stuff causes the most confusion where I play.
What if you're standing in the kitchen and a ball comes right at you -- can you leap up and volley in the air and land outside the kitchen?
To hit a volley, both of your feet must start planted outside of the kitchen and then remain outside of the kitchen after the volley. So no, you can’t unfortunately
@@CrackedPickleball Thanks!
How about when you're trying and Ernee and your oponen knows and hit you with the ball and you are on the air.?
Ken you answer me.thanks
No matter when, if you get hit with a ball, you lose the point! So even if you get hit while mid-air, you would lose the point.
10:58 Wait, you can serve with paddle above your wrist now?!
for drop serves there is no rule about the wrist or about below the waist.
@@johncampbell3912 Excellent, I am going to deploy my ping pong serves!!
same as in tennis, you have to hit the ball over the net before it bounces on the opponents court .. otherwise, you loose the point .. 😢
#21 If the ball goes between the net post and the net, it is a fault.
Is it Legal to slam the ball into the kitchen on the opposite side??
Obviously? The kitchen is inbounds.
It would have been good to explain what an Erne was before explaining the rules around it. And, the bounce-back scenario was made complicated by the reversing of the pronouns - I guess you changed who was going to hit and who was going to return the bounce-back. Otherwise, nicely done.
I still don't understand your explanation of the "bounce over" rule. Is anyone else still confused? In the example, the taller player in dark blue explains that he's going to hit the spinning ball over, but then in the next segment the other player hits the spin shot. I think the "burning question" for most player is: If I hit the spin shot over the net, it bounces back into my court and no one touches it, whose point is it? Or do I have to play the ball as if it was "returned" to me even if a paddle on the opposite side never touches it...?
To answer your last question it would be whoever hit the spinning shots point. For example, player A hits a spinning shot over the net to player B. The ball comes back on player A’s side and lands without being touched by player B. That is player A’s point. Because player B never made contact it is ruled a double bounce against player B.
Since we’re getting into the weeds here’s a weird scenario: can your partner drop the ball for you on your drop serve? Can your partner toss you the ball on your volley serve? If legal that would blow your opponents minds first time you did it. 😂
Oh man I would love that but no. They can call the score for you though!
Don't get why you'd lose point if your opponent called the score correctly and you stopped the rally, but they wouldn't lose the point if they called the score incorrectly.
First again? This may be my reminder to get off my PC and go play some more pickleball!
Get out there!
I feel like I need more clarification on the carry rule.
Any ball that doesn’t immediately deflect off your paddle is considered a carry. The only exception is a “double hit.” A double hit is when the ball hit twice off your paddle in one motion. This is legal but a carry is not legal. If a ball hits 3+ times off your paddle in one motion, that is illegal
Is that a tank behind your court?!
It seems like you are saying the ball can be thrown on a volley serve? Thought I saw some rules that opposed that?
On a volley serve, you absolutely can throw the ball in any direction as long as you comply with the following 4 rules:
1) you can't impart spin to the ball before you hit it
2) paddle contact with the ball must be below your waist
3) upward motion with paddle when the ball is contacted
4) entire paddle face must be below the bend in your wrist when the ball is contacted
On a drop serve, rules 2, 3 and 4 do not apply. Rule 1 applies to any serve.
The only other rule on a drop serve is you can only open your hand and drop it.
You are not allowed to impart any up or down motion to the ball.
@@CWK090 you’re kinda both right. The pro level rules changed this year to no longer allow throwing upward on any serve, but at local tournaments it’s still allowed for volley serves. I wouldn’t be surprised if that rule trickles down to higher-level locals eventually to prevent people trying to get away with sneaky pre-spin
@@jmunt
Interesting.
I know they 'test' potential rule changes at professional tournaments.
As you saying pros have a separate set of rules?
@@CWK090 Yeah this one confused me, I also saw somewhere that they spoke about no throwing of the ball is allowed when doing a volley serve, the coaching course I went to also mentioned this and said it was something they were trying out at a pro level competition.
@@jmunt On RUclips, search “Professional referee explains 2024 serve rules”
This is a test at the Masters Tournament and not yet an actual rule change.
For the test, a volley serve must be dropped from no higher than waist level.
That is how I have always served so no change for me.
Was watching a pro title match from a couple months ago and the referee called a let on a serve. Is that just a pro thing?
Just a pro thing. They have several different rules than amateurs
You can hit into opponents side of net, but cant hit over the net line in another rule..
Noob here, just wondering..
You can pass the line of the net to hit the ball if the ball has reached your side, bounces on your side, and then gone back to the opponent’s side.
You may not hit the ball before it crosses the net at all.
If you hit the net in your play that is a fault.
I thought if a spare ball falls out of your pocket it was a fault
Only if it falls in the kitchen! But most players would call a let anyway if something like that happens to ensure no one trips over it
Incorrect
7.N. In non-officiated matches, players may carry an additional pickleball(s) as long as the ball(s) is carried in a way that the ball(s) is not visible to their opponent(s) during play. If an additional ball that a player was carrying falls on the playing surface during play, a fault shall be declared.
Geez....I just want to sweat
Somehow you made the first scenario even more confusing, the example was very poorly worded and lacking context
Sorry man, I hope everyone else got it!
This video seems to have old rules. Toss serves are no longer legal, right?
This is all current and updated as of July 2024.
STRIPED??? Is that you?
Shh 🤫
@@CrackedPickleball lol
Pickleball by itself is a misconception ..
cope
@@iuliannalomaeva7796 no thanks
... that it's a sport...
When young people already want to be retirees.😅
There’s no sound