Ironic that shareholders are suing because they were focusing on profits. It’s because of these same shareholders expectations they were focusing on profits.
Executive BONUS is based on Share Price Rise. That keeps investors happy along with dividend payments. The expectation is that the Board does not kill off mid term and long term growth by Killing and Nearly Killing the passengers that the airlines need. The airlines buy aircraft with an assurance they are "Fit for Purpose" which Boeing cannot prove ANY of its current, recent, aircraft are. The BOARD are 100% responsible. POLICY DRIVEN DISASTER
@@nickolliver3021Incorrect. Boeing removed the door at their facility and their employees failed to re-install the bolts when the door was re-installed after completing corrective rivet work. Also, Boeing is responsible for the quality of all work performed by its subcontractors, including Spirit.
I sold Boeing out of our portfolio the day after the first max crash. I had a gut feeling it was going to get worse. I trust my gut above all, but I actually underestimated it.
Other improvements on the Delta 737-800 include the more usual 10 inch screens and head rests in economy. It should be noted that not every 737-800 is getting the new seats, only the ones that currently have the older seat back screens.
They say whatever needs to be said to get the money flowing again. According to current and former employees in Seattle, the factory is worse now than before the two crashes.
What does the FAA do? It seems the government gets involved after the fact. Why doesn’t the FAA conduct regular audits or inspections or even have staff at Boeing to make sure they are doing what they are supposed to do.
The FAA failed in its oversight of Boeing and the Secretary of Transportation should be held accountable but just like the train wreck in Palestine Ohio he won’t be because of corruption under this administration
I would have thought people in the north would want to fly south for the heat. Certainly the Finish people I met in Gran Canaria even though it would have been quicker to fly to the USA! perhaps they need to change their routing?
Boeing shareholders, who clamor incessantly for strong, consistent stock price growth, and now upset Boeing worked hard for strong, consistent stock price growth at the expense of EVERYthing else. Institutional shareholders SHOCKED at this behavior they demand, are now suing Boeing for doing what was expected. Tragic.
I still can‘t get over the fact that not one single person from Boeing had to go behind bars after the MAX chrashes years ago..that‘s wild and scary if you think about it
Dude this is a little off topic but i‘m tired of seeing you under every Boeing related video trying to defend them plss get a job or at least make sure to get paid by them to do so and that‘s coming from somebody with a nickname like mine so you should really go outside and think about it
Boeing asked for trouble by making the statements shown at 3:35 At one level they are all motherhood statements that reek of insincerity. At another level they make specific claims, like "continue to apply whatever resources are required" and "everything we do are focused on quality and safety and always have been our highest priority". It is pretty easy to disprove the latter claim simply by looking at the number of Quality Control staff laid off a few years back; seemingly with _no_ thought for the long-term implications for quality and safety. Boeing would have done much better by saying: "we laid off many QC staff during the COVID period. That was a poor decision. Since then we have hired an additional X staff to replace them, and we will continue to hire more staff until we have relaced all the ones who left". That would have done two things: it would have shown investors, FAA and media that Boeing has owned up to its poor decisions, and it would have limited the scope for class actions. I have no sympathy for Boeing's senior management. For not only committing such a huge stuff up, but also for failing to address it effectively and for failing to convince investors and customers that they even serious about addressing it.
I can’t imagine why these issues keep arising with Boeing’s aircraft. I know that they are cash focused rather than safety and quality focused instead. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to learn from past mistakes than to continue down the path to ashes. You’d think…
It's a joke that shareholders are in an essence suing themselves. They're going to receive nothing and just harm the company they invested in. To provide a living for a self-serving attorney.
Yeah, it's a blunt instrument, but the only way to reform the board. Attempting address an entrenched board at the AGM will be headed off. You see it all the time and remember Boeing is a protected species.
Just makes me wonder, is the installation of split scimitar winglets is for fuel savings, or camouflage compare to max. Why to think about installation now? Split winglets are old now, its not a new thing. In Europe TUI unseeded them for a long time. So if Delta want to hide from costumers MAX in the future, they could start form winglets on old aircrafts. That's the most visible think on the first glance.
If you actually learned about it, the split scimitar retrofit is different than the Advanced Winglets on MAx aircraft The installation of the split scimitar preceded the MAX.
@@soccerguy2433 "The installation of the split scimitar preceded the MAX." That is what is written above. Split winglets might be different for You or me, but will "normal" customer see a difference? I do not thing so.
If its Boeing, I ain't going! It is great that almost all US airlines fly Airbus aircraft, and most travel sites now let us filter out Boeing Max aircraft. (*now awaiting boeing fanboi n.ol. to kvetch about airbus being the same and if not travelling boeing, not to fly at all, lol)
I’d probably fly Porter to Toronto from where I am and then Delta or United from there on. AC, WJ, Lynx, Flair and sunwing are pretty much all Boeing and other than AC and WJ, all are 737’s. WJ and AC has a huge fleet of MAX which i’m staying well clear of. Absolute shame on Boeing
@@colestock9980how true . We couldn’t get hold of AC or WJ agents when we were stranded . Last year in February when we were stranded in Mazatlan because Ft . Worth was ice up , we were emailed by American Airlines to stay put and the next morning we were notified our flight was cancelled again. We were able to get an agent during all the time while this was happening with their weather.
There has been more than one incident with bolts that were either loose or missing with the MAX aircraft just since last December: 1. December of 2023, and International carrier reported a loose bolt in the Rudder Control System on a MAX aircraft. The nut and washer for the bolt were missing, and the bolt was "migrating out" of it's fixture. Subsequent inspections by Boeing found loose / un-torqued nuts on the same bolt in the Rudder Control System on undelivered aircraft. 2. After Alaska's door plug blew out on January 5, 2024, United and Alaska Airlines found multiple bolts loose on the same door plug as the one on Alaska's that blew out. 3. After the final inspection report on Alaska's MAX-9 that the door plug blew out from, it was found that those four bolts for that specific door plug were in fact missing. This means they were never installed at Spirit, and the Boeing inspector(s) missed that fact, along with Spirit's QA team.
*According to Boeing's Performance Projections.* *The 737 Max-10 is the most Efficient Single-Aisle Aircraft Ever Produced.* Whether or not it's been Certified for Commercial Operations yet.
Lol how?😂 The 737 airframe is optimised for the max 8 or 800 so how is this statement true? You can definitely deduce the truth of that statement based off logical reasons it's not a blanket statement we can't dissect 😂
The disastrous situation is because stakeholders want to make more money, thus departing from their original root of an engineering first company. Their office is far away from factories, that engineers and management team do not communicate well. No more union allowed for maximum profit. Frankly speaking, this works well for stake holder for a decade, until plane start falling out from the skies, and many manufacturing errors found. Not shock that now the stakeholder is suing Boeing to get even more money. Perhaps Boeing is doomed. No one support them, from staffs, government, to now even the stake holders. This is a case where the capitalistic mind set gone wrong, leading to lost of lives, lost of company reputation. The only winner perhaps are those stakeholder, they will always find a way to make more money.
In my opinion, please don't avoid the 717, 747, 757, 767, 777 and older 737s and 787s. Because most of the planes I've mentioned were made before Boeing did the merger.
@@nickolliver3021 777-300ER certainly isn't crap Nicky, speaking from reputation and reliability standpoint, airliner loves it. Singapore Airline, Lufthansa, Eva just to name a few prefer to have the 777-300ER for their long haul mission than the 787 rubbish. Guess what, SIA scrapped this crap to Scoot Airline (Their subsidiary) instead of having 777-300ER and A350-900/1000 for all of their long haul missions. XD The 787 your PD3 nightmarliner is a mess, look at the groundings and reliability records, even the wings, fuselage are cracking so severely now, long gone the good Boeing LMFAO
@@alvinloh9068 and the 787 is no where near crappy Alvin. Speaking from a reliability point of view and reputation airlines love it completely. Singapore, Eva Air, BA, and so on are airlines that prefer it over the 777-300er as they are slowly getting replaced. Scoot has not received any 787-10 or any of singuapores 787 order nor have they received any a350 900 or 1000. Heck the a350 already we saw was cracking and had a grounding more than the 787 dreamliner. Long gone the old Airbus crackliner heh LMFAO
This lawsuit is a blessing in disguise for Boeing. It might force changes that might save the company from the idiot bean counters like Calhoun who now run the company. "We will spend an extra penny to make sure everything is correct" and then they don't.
Sounds like to me Boeing is going to change their Board of Directors change the leadership at the 737 max program and help bring them back to their glory days of profiting quality over quantity
Boeing is being defended predominantly by americans. Perhaps it's time that they realised that the usa is not exceptional unless exceptional is used as an adjective to "bad"?
It’s aviation, things happen and are sometimes unavoidable. But the management at Boeing must pay for what has happened to the 737 Max series. Chasing corporate profits over quality and lives should be a punishable offense
I think you are overblowing this whole bolt thing. This was not a design flaw and was easily fixed. Did it not look good and dangerous? yes, clearly something was missed. Planes overall are very reliable pieces of equipment, but still rely on humans. Everyday I hear about people dying or injured in car accidents. I see people duct tape their cars together and drive right next to you. At the end of the day planes are extremely safe, even the MAX.
So you're saying that inadequate quality control and maintenence is not an important issue? Some of the worst incidents ever have happened because of improper maintenence or manufacture. Remember JAL123? That happened because of improper maintenence. Hell, if this incident occurred at higher altitudes, it might have been a whole lot worse than it was. Trying to pass this off as a slight mistake by comparing it to design flaws is erroneous reasoning. And what people do with cars is irrelevant. It doesn't make this debacle any less serious or any less important. It's a non sequitor.
That’s exactly why issues (such as door blowouts) shouldn’t happen on planes They’re made to be the safest way of travel and when stuff like this happens it’s concerning
Next highest is Concord with a rate of 11 but it's no longer in service. Fatal crash rates per million flights Model | Rate | Flights | FLE* Events Boeing 737 MAX 7/8/9/10 | 3.08 | 0.65M | 2.00 | 2 the rate of fatal passenger events per million flight
I'm sorry but .... what? Boeing got torn a new asshole for the entire MCAS debacle on the MAX. Boeing stated that they were going to prioritize safety. Poor quality control on brand new aircraft is not prioritizing safety. This time, they got lucky that no one got killed, that the seats next to the plug were empty. Starting to focus on safety only after an incident occurred is never acceptable.
You clearly have not worked in aviation, as your statements are way off base. It doesn't have to be a design flaw to be a dangerous situation. Their is a systemic problem at Boeing (and most likely at Spirit as well) that has left multiple MAX aircraft with multiple airlines with either loose or missing bolts for critical systems. Two months ago, December 2023, an international carrier found a bolt in the Rudder Control System loose because the nut and washer were missing. Do you realize what the Rudder is for on an aircraft? With a Rudder failure (which has happened, and on other 737's), aircraft are not controllable and have crashed. So, your claim, "Clearly something was missed", involves much more than an easy fix. The four bolts on the Alaska aircraft were literally missing. Not loose, they were not installed. This is a Boeing Quality Control problem, as they have inspectors assigned at the Spirit facility in question to verify any safety-of-flight system maintenance is completed per all manuals / paperwork. After the Alaska incident on January 5th, United and Alaska found multiple aircraft with multiple loose bolts for the same door plug that blew off of Alaska's aircraft. For individuals that understand you cannot pull over to a cloud when something fails on an aircraft, and when it is a critical system failure as in the almost 400 people that lost their lives in the two MAX crashes, this is a major problem with Boeing. And this means the MAX aircraft are NOT extremely safe, or in fact, safe at all.
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The Board of Directors at Boeing does not seem to know what they are doing. They have prioritized stockholder value over safety.
Gee.. How many times has that been stated on DJ's videos about Boeing? You're just be an echo chamber.
Boeing lost their way ever since the “merger” of MacDonnell-Douglas & it slow but sure downhill of safety issues since.
American corporate business culture.
It's not only Boeing. It's simply the business culture in America.
Ironic that shareholders are suing because they were focusing on profits. It’s because of these same shareholders expectations they were focusing on profits.
No, it was because execs wanted bonuses. The execs don't care about shareholders any more than they care about exployees or passengers.
@@christosvoskresye it is both reasons I believe. The shareholders do matter, very much so.
Executive BONUS is based on Share Price Rise. That keeps investors happy along with dividend payments. The expectation is that the Board does not kill off mid term and long term growth by Killing and Nearly Killing the passengers that the airlines need. The airlines buy aircraft with an assurance they are "Fit for Purpose" which Boeing cannot prove ANY of its current, recent, aircraft are. The BOARD are 100% responsible. POLICY DRIVEN DISASTER
lol what kind of shareholders don't focus on profits? else why buy shares of companies.
Give back your dividends before filing suit.
Boeing 737 Max - the most profitable aircraft for Airbus that Airbus didn’t make.!
The bolts weren't loose... there were missing.
From spirit
@@nickolliver3021 Boeing is totally responsible for the work of all sub-contractors...
@@chrissmith2114 not really if their subcontractor messed up on their side.
@@nickolliver3021it’s still boeings responsibility to check and control the parts their subcontractors deliver. Boeing is the final entity responsible
@@nickolliver3021Incorrect. Boeing removed the door at their facility and their employees failed to re-install the bolts when the door was re-installed after completing corrective rivet work. Also, Boeing is responsible for the quality of all work performed by its subcontractors, including Spirit.
I sold Boeing out of our portfolio the day after the first max crash. I had a gut feeling it was going to get worse. I trust my gut above all, but I actually underestimated it.
@@farfromreal none taken... no losses either...
Distrust your gut feeling, it's seldomly wrong.
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Delta your great carrier❤😊
Awesome Video Dj's Aviation 😊
why stop with lawsuits? a proper incentive would include ceo jail time. not much, just a couple of years.
no just seat the ceo next to the door plug and he may likely fall out.
@@electro_sykesyou could do that to any plane that has a door plug then see if he falls out
nickolliver3021 More likely to happen on a 737 MAX than a Airbus 320/21
@@r12004rewy a one time occuramce doesn't mean it will happen again. And yes the 321 does have a plug door
@@nickolliver3021same was said about MCAS oh well…
Delta is also testing a new interior in the 757 and modifying the winglets to a more efficient variation.
Other improvements on the Delta 737-800 include the more usual 10 inch screens and head rests in economy. It should be noted that not every 737-800 is getting the new seats, only the ones that currently have the older seat back screens.
And bolts. Rumour has it that they are fitting bolts.
@@phildane7411😂😂😂
Didn't Boeing claim a new focus on Quality after the MAX debacle ?
Like the cheating girlfriend that tells you that she cheated on you because she loves you 😂
They say whatever needs to be said to get the money flowing again. According to current and former employees in Seattle, the factory is worse now than before the two crashes.
Great Video.Good On Delta
Airbus needs a strong competitor so that the world of aviation can evolve for the better. As a European, we need a strong Boeing in everything 😢
Airbus should buy Boeing stock, then take control of the whole aviation industry. Boeing is a lying, murderous group of money hungry creeps.
What does the FAA do? It seems the government gets involved after the fact. Why doesn’t the FAA conduct regular audits or inspections or even have staff at Boeing to make sure they are doing what they are supposed to do.
The FAA failed in its oversight of Boeing and the Secretary of Transportation should be held accountable but just like the train wreck in Palestine Ohio he won’t be because of corruption under this administration
Is it me, or at 3:45 onwards where fuselage sections are being joined, does a gap appear as the sections are being bolted down?
I would have thought people in the north would want to fly south for the heat. Certainly the Finish people I met in Gran Canaria even though it would have been quicker to fly to the USA! perhaps they need to change their routing?
Lol I like how you chose to follow GTA VI's Miami sunset trend with your thumbnail.
Boeing shareholders, who clamor incessantly for strong, consistent stock price growth, and now upset Boeing worked hard for strong, consistent stock price growth at the expense of EVERYthing else. Institutional shareholders SHOCKED at this behavior they demand, are now suing Boeing for doing what was expected. Tragic.
They could do what ski instructors do. Go to the southern hemisphere for the northern season.
Thanks for the updates DJ
I still can‘t get over the fact that not one single person from Boeing had to go behind bars after the MAX chrashes years ago..that‘s wild and scary if you think about it
Because the modern day everyone gets away with doing bad things.
No only the rich ones get away with it…
@@boeingfreak1 What about the refugees that have been beating up cops in NY? They aren't rich
@@boeingfreak1 not even that
Dude this is a little off topic but i‘m tired of seeing you under every Boeing related video trying to defend them plss get a job or at least make sure to get paid by them to do so and that‘s coming from somebody with a nickname like mine so you should really go outside and think about it
Boeing asked for trouble by making the statements shown at 3:35 At one level they are all motherhood statements that reek of insincerity. At another level they make specific claims, like "continue to apply whatever resources are required" and "everything we do are focused on quality and safety and always have been our highest priority".
It is pretty easy to disprove the latter claim simply by looking at the number of Quality Control staff laid off a few years back; seemingly with _no_ thought for the long-term implications for quality and safety.
Boeing would have done much better by saying: "we laid off many QC staff during the COVID period. That was a poor decision. Since then we have hired an additional X staff to replace them, and we will continue to hire more staff until we have relaced all the ones who left". That would have done two things: it would have shown investors, FAA and media that Boeing has owned up to its poor decisions, and it would have limited the scope for class actions.
I have no sympathy for Boeing's senior management. For not only committing such a huge stuff up, but also for failing to address it effectively and for failing to convince investors and customers that they even serious about addressing it.
Ty dj!!
I can’t imagine why these issues keep arising with Boeing’s aircraft. I know that they are cash focused rather than safety and quality focused instead. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to learn from past mistakes than to continue down the path to ashes. You’d think…
It's a joke that shareholders are in an essence suing themselves. They're going to receive nothing and just harm the company they invested in. To provide a living for a self-serving attorney.
Yeah, it's a blunt instrument, but the only way to reform the board. Attempting address an entrenched board at the AGM will be headed off. You see it all the time and remember Boeing is a protected species.
Profit over safety is standard procedure. In an economic system which glorifies maximum profit above all, safety is just an inconvenient hazard.
Just makes me wonder, is the installation of split scimitar winglets is for fuel savings, or camouflage compare to max. Why to think about installation now? Split winglets are old now, its not a new thing. In Europe TUI unseeded them for a long time. So if Delta want to hide from costumers MAX in the future, they could start form winglets on old aircrafts. That's the most visible think on the first glance.
If you actually learned about it, the split scimitar retrofit is different than the Advanced Winglets on MAx aircraft
The installation of the split scimitar preceded the MAX.
@@soccerguy2433 "The installation of the split scimitar preceded the MAX." That is what is written above. Split winglets might be different for You or me, but will "normal" customer see a difference? I do not thing so.
How's PLAY doing?
Norse is not former Norwegian.
If its Boeing, I ain't going! It is great that almost all US airlines fly Airbus aircraft, and most travel sites now let us filter out Boeing Max aircraft. (*now awaiting boeing fanboi n.ol. to kvetch about airbus being the same and if not travelling boeing, not to fly at all, lol)
I’d probably fly Porter to Toronto from where I am and then Delta or United from there on. AC, WJ, Lynx, Flair and sunwing are pretty much all Boeing and other than AC and WJ, all are 737’s. WJ and AC has a huge fleet of MAX which i’m staying well clear of. Absolute shame on Boeing
@@colestock9980how true . We couldn’t get hold of AC or WJ agents when we were stranded . Last year in February when we were stranded in Mazatlan because Ft . Worth was ice up , we were emailed by American Airlines to stay put and the next morning we were notified our flight was cancelled again. We were able to get an agent during all the time while this was happening with their weather.
Every investor's never-ending greed. Shameful. Boeing...Built On Every Investors Never-ending Greed.
It’s Alaska airlines, not Alasker airlines….geeezzzee 😂
You all talking about Boeing need to clarify this "loose bolt" thing. A bolt can be properly installed and still be "loose".
There has been more than one incident with bolts that were either loose or missing with the MAX aircraft just since last December:
1. December of 2023, and International carrier reported a loose bolt in the Rudder Control System on a MAX aircraft. The nut and washer for the bolt were missing, and the bolt was "migrating out" of it's fixture. Subsequent inspections by Boeing found loose / un-torqued nuts on the same bolt in the Rudder Control System on undelivered aircraft.
2. After Alaska's door plug blew out on January 5, 2024, United and Alaska Airlines found multiple bolts loose on the same door plug as the one on Alaska's that blew out.
3. After the final inspection report on Alaska's MAX-9 that the door plug blew out from, it was found that those four bolts for that specific door plug were in fact missing. This means they were never installed at Spirit, and the Boeing inspector(s) missed that fact, along with Spirit's QA team.
Lol, killing more than 300 people and they got a slap on the wrist. But frustated shareholders, now that can be dangerous in court. 😂
Boeing suffered $2.5b in Damages
as well as Damage to their Reputation
and Production Delays.
*According to Boeing's Performance Projections.*
*The 737 Max-10 is the most Efficient Single-Aisle Aircraft Ever Produced.*
Whether or not it's been Certified for Commercial Operations yet.
Lol how?😂 The 737 airframe is optimised for the max 8 or 800 so how is this statement true? You can definitely deduce the truth of that statement based off logical reasons it's not a blanket statement we can't dissect 😂
Measured in what performance? Fuel consumption? Fuel burn per mile per passenger? Cause the A321Neo can fly further and carry more passengers
Because Boeing are sooo trustworthy.
There's no "u" in unbeknownst. It rhymes with "know" not "noun". 😮
Should these shareholders win this lawsuit, it’ll be sell, sell, sell like your life depended on it for Boeing stocks.
Don't wait for the lawsuit. Sell NOW !
I was beginning to wonder what was going on… no lawsuits for a long time…. This is ‘Merricuh after all…. 😂
Wow!
"... have launched legal actions towards [sic] the plane-maker ..." -- "against"!
The disastrous situation is because stakeholders want to make more money, thus departing from their original root of an engineering first company. Their office is far away from factories, that engineers and management team do not communicate well. No more union allowed for maximum profit.
Frankly speaking, this works well for stake holder for a decade, until plane start falling out from the skies, and many manufacturing errors found. Not shock that now the stakeholder is suing Boeing to get even more money.
Perhaps Boeing is doomed. No one support them, from staffs, government, to now even the stake holders. This is a case where the capitalistic mind set gone wrong, leading to lost of lives, lost of company reputation. The only winner perhaps are those stakeholder, they will always find a way to make more money.
God that .music at the end is so horrific. I enjoy the updates but as soon as the outro comes up I have to jump off.
The FAA is just as much to blame as is Boeing.
In my opinion, please don't avoid the 717, 747, 757, 767, 777 and older 737s and 787s. Because most of the planes I've mentioned were made before Boeing did the merger.
The 787 is fine. 777x is fine and the max will be fine as well
@@nickolliver3021 the 787 is fine? LMFAO rubbish. the 777-300ER is 10x far more reliable than this controversial crap.
@@alvinloh9068 hahaha lol the 787 is way more better than the 777-300er crap that airlines are not preferring anymore LMFAO
@@nickolliver3021 777-300ER certainly isn't crap Nicky, speaking from reputation and reliability standpoint, airliner loves it. Singapore Airline, Lufthansa, Eva just to name a few prefer to have the 777-300ER for their long haul mission than the 787 rubbish. Guess what, SIA scrapped this crap to Scoot Airline (Their subsidiary) instead of having 777-300ER and A350-900/1000 for all of their long haul missions. XD The 787 your PD3 nightmarliner is a mess, look at the groundings and reliability records, even the wings, fuselage are cracking so severely now, long gone the good Boeing LMFAO
@@alvinloh9068 and the 787 is no where near crappy Alvin. Speaking from a reliability point of view and reputation airlines love it completely. Singapore, Eva Air, BA, and so on are airlines that prefer it over the 777-300er as they are slowly getting replaced. Scoot has not received any 787-10 or any of singuapores 787 order nor have they received any a350 900 or 1000. Heck the a350 already we saw was cracking and had a grounding more than the 787 dreamliner. Long gone the old Airbus crackliner heh LMFAO
and all the defendants listed should most definitely be replaced!!!!!!
Iceland are not a big enough to have their own airline.
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This lawsuit is a blessing in disguise for Boeing. It might force changes that might save the company from the idiot bean counters like Calhoun who now run the company. "We will spend an extra penny to make sure everything is correct" and then they don't.
Sounds like to me Boeing is going to change their Board of Directors change the leadership at the 737 max program and help bring them back to their glory days of profiting quality over quantity
Who would trust them ever again?
Boeing is being defended predominantly by americans. Perhaps it's time that they realised that the usa is not exceptional unless exceptional is used as an adjective to "bad"?
It’s aviation, things happen and are sometimes unavoidable. But the management at Boeing must pay for what has happened to the 737 Max series. Chasing corporate profits over quality and lives should be a punishable offense
I think Iceland Air suffers due to volcano eruption
"this would not take place" BS. Different issues. Different causes.
Boeing Seattle.. The cocaine capital of the airline industry.. No wonder they relocated some production to Everett..
I think you are overblowing this whole bolt thing. This was not a design flaw and was easily fixed. Did it not look good and dangerous? yes, clearly something was missed. Planes overall are very reliable pieces of equipment, but still rely on humans. Everyday I hear about people dying or injured in car accidents. I see people duct tape their cars together and drive right next to you. At the end of the day planes are extremely safe, even the MAX.
So you're saying that inadequate quality control and maintenence is not an important issue? Some of the worst incidents ever have happened because of improper maintenence or manufacture. Remember JAL123? That happened because of improper maintenence. Hell, if this incident occurred at higher altitudes, it might have been a whole lot worse than it was. Trying to pass this off as a slight mistake by comparing it to design flaws is erroneous reasoning.
And what people do with cars is irrelevant. It doesn't make this debacle any less serious or any less important. It's a non sequitor.
That’s exactly why issues (such as door blowouts) shouldn’t happen on planes
They’re made to be the safest way of travel and when stuff like this happens it’s concerning
Next highest is Concord with a rate of 11 but it's no longer in service.
Fatal crash rates per million flights
Model | Rate | Flights | FLE* Events
Boeing 737 MAX 7/8/9/10 | 3.08 | 0.65M | 2.00 | 2
the rate of fatal passenger events per million flight
I'm sorry but .... what? Boeing got torn a new asshole for the entire MCAS debacle on the MAX. Boeing stated that they were going to prioritize safety. Poor quality control on brand new aircraft is not prioritizing safety. This time, they got lucky that no one got killed, that the seats next to the plug were empty. Starting to focus on safety only after an incident occurred is never acceptable.
You clearly have not worked in aviation, as your statements are way off base. It doesn't have to be a design flaw to be a dangerous situation. Their is a systemic problem at Boeing (and most likely at Spirit as well) that has left multiple MAX aircraft with multiple airlines with either loose or missing bolts for critical systems. Two months ago, December 2023, an international carrier found a bolt in the Rudder Control System loose because the nut and washer were missing. Do you realize what the Rudder is for on an aircraft? With a Rudder failure (which has happened, and on other 737's), aircraft are not controllable and have crashed.
So, your claim, "Clearly something was missed", involves much more than an easy fix. The four bolts on the Alaska aircraft were literally missing. Not loose, they were not installed. This is a Boeing Quality Control problem, as they have inspectors assigned at the Spirit facility in question to verify any safety-of-flight system maintenance is completed per all manuals / paperwork. After the Alaska incident on January 5th, United and Alaska found multiple aircraft with multiple loose bolts for the same door plug that blew off of Alaska's aircraft.
For individuals that understand you cannot pull over to a cloud when something fails on an aircraft, and when it is a critical system failure as in the almost 400 people that lost their lives in the two MAX crashes, this is a major problem with Boeing. And this means the MAX aircraft are NOT extremely safe, or in fact, safe at all.
*Boeing 737 max-profit with its never ending problems.*
Finally the can of worm has been opened
Hats off to the shareholders.