@@krazyzyko as Marth I just wave dash back and forth while down tilting. Surprisingly effective, and irritating to the Luigi who keeps trying to approach
I can already imagine Kira playing fox at 4 AM, laser camping the fuck out of a ness who started playing 3 months ago. They get annoyed, quit on the second stock. Kira laughs, and queues unranked again. This time it's a peach. He gets the lead, then jumps on top platform. "I have the lead, so I don't have to approach", he thinks. A couple of seconds later, the peach player quits as well. Kira cackles, then realises it's late. He shuts down his computer, pleased that he had defeated his opponents so easily with his superior neutral. As the monitor turns off, he sees himself in the dark reflection. For a brief moment, the thought of him just being kind of an asshole crosses his mind. He quickly shrugs it off - "Nah, it's just a game" - and heads to bed, still smiling. Tomorrow's going to be a big day for him, after all. He'll be finishing and uploading his next tutorial, "How to utilize taunts to throw off opponents in Melee".
Fighting a low-tier is like studying for hours and hours for a test only to get a question on something only mentioned in an obscure part of the textbook.
Pour one out for the low tier mains on netplay, forever doomed to be one-and-doned, insta quit out on, or camped/mixed up on. They fight the toughest battles lmao
We all have the same character select screen, if you choose to play a low tier you get what you signed up for. Picking a low tier then complaining about how your character doesn't have tools to best something is stupid, if it's a big enough problem that you don't think you can beat it switch characters or at least pick up a secondary
@@lotalentueux Shiek autocomboes and has pretty simple kill confirms on any character. She was considered the strongest character in melee's infancy because anyone could set up into a forward air and win with shiek.
Look bro, all of this is a valid way of winning, but you have influence in the community and you're influencing people to be assholes. The part at 6:48 is super uncalled for. Why should you be laughing at them when they are working super fucking hard and most likely outplaying the shit out of you? It makes no sense.
@@aftermarketmartin2126 lame character? You serious? You should bring respect instead of encouraging people to pick top tiers instead of low tiers, it's already a game full of falcos, foxes, marths etc, a bit of variety can make the game more fun. I bet you have fun just by winning and not by playing the game. Plus they are called low tiers for a reason, you can beat them without camping and playing lame...
@@aftermarketmartin2126 omg another Fox! Dude you’re so cool and good, because fox is fast. You’re just like mang0. What you don’t realize is that you’re playing easily the best character so you have to work less hard than everyone else. And you seen shameless about it. Somewhere along the way, you forgot what melee is about. Everyone respects low tiers more than they respect yet ANOTHER fox player. Nobody is impressed by you dude. And if you camp me on unranked I’m leaving with the knowledge that you are a complete loser
@@HieronymousLex "What you don’t realize is that you’re playing easily the best character so you have to work less hard than everyone else. And you seen shameless about it. Somewhere along the way, you forgot what melee is about." Why should anybody feel shame for playing a good character with tools they like? And what exactly is Melee all about? "Everyone respects low tiers more than they respect yet ANOTHER fox player. Nobody is impressed by you dude." Speak for yourself buddy, not everybody is as obsessed over what other people think of them as you. And nobody is impressed by what character you're playing when they come across you on unranked. "And if you camp me on unranked I’m leaving with the knowledge that you are a complete loser." And I'll leave not giving a shit and move on with my life. Stop being so angry, meditate, it's good for you.
it's either that, learning forbidden matchups or making random things on the spot, which sounds like the best for both parties, but most likely the top tier player would get 2-0ed in bracket
If I match against someone in unranked that laser or platform camps, I’m leaving regardless of the character I’m playing as. I’ll find someone else who’s actually interesting and fun to play with. I don’t play unranked to simulate a tournament experience. Also playing the game to strictly to make the other player have a bad time just cause of the character they choose is weird and toxic IMO.
That or the people that taunt after everything. I make it my goal for them to have the least amount of fun possible. They get to watch me practice shield drops or platform movement for the next 8 minutes or fight a lvl 0 cpu.
i really wish you had made this video about camping slow characters effectively (which is an awesome topic and very important!) but left out all of the negative attitude towards low-tiers. i know you touched on their perspective at the end, but the way you introduce these characters at the outset is just rude, and the advice you give is full of snarky remarks about making them feel bad (e.g. 6:48 "laugh at them"? i know you are joking but also you are clearly aware of the community energy towards these characters and this does not help). incredibly disappointed that a content creator of your caliber isn't considering this stuff tbh.
There is a direct correlation between this video being published and the increase of camping on unranked. We did not need a video guide teaching people how to ruin the fun of everybody who does not main the top tiers
Nah I actually agree though. Way too many brain dead players who spam laser, then taunt you every kill or every other kill, like as if what they did was sick. Yes, sick in the head! It’s very frustrating. Slippi Online is full of toxic losers, but Falcos are EASILY the most toxic
As a Zelda main I'm aware that people always try to be "cool and tryhard" and they think they'll instantly win just because they play as a better character, ending up humilliating themselves by their own toxicity The fact that 19k+ people needed to watch this shows that most of the players struggle to fight low tiers because it's so rare to find them
I find this strat is actually inherent to playing slow, punishing characters. With characters like puff, you often dont have the frame data and speed to be guarunteed much of anything by simply doing your own game plan. Instead of thinking about your own game plan you have to spend all of your mental capacity considering your opponents. You take things slow, learn their style, and eventually punish something extremely hard. You wreck your opponent at rock paper scissors instead of challenging them on frame data and button presses. Many foxes just need to realize that theyre able to do this strategy too, and they can work that in with their destructive frame data for an even better character.
I’m glad he included some counter-strategies towards the end but, I don’t think making the game more frustrating and incentivizing less character variety is really good for the health of the game. This will just make more people quit and less people start. Adapt or die I guess, just seems less fun personally.
Samus main here. The more opponents I play who know what they are doing against me, the better. Playing against non-campy foxes all day does nothing but teach me bad neutral habits
Damn, imagine having to make a full-on guide video on how to beat low tier characters... guess the folks that say Melee is unbalanced garbage have been PUT in their PLACE!
I used to think that retreating, laser camping, and even using shield (LOL) was "lame." Now I know that my braindead "hold forward, always attack" mentality was holding me back and not allowing me to even understand the neutral game, let alone play it. Good video as always!
Retreating, shielding, ect aren't lame but camping is. Yes, it's more likely you will win playing that way but it's equally as important to play non-degenerately.
Low tiers spam things for free? Lol, try to play a low tier against a swordy with a super disjointed hitbox or a super fast furry with a one frame attack. Those characters can literally play half brain dead by abusing their high-tier privileges.
Low risk camping is what makes melee fun to watch and play. It's hilarious that this is supported by the same community that banned wobbling. "Camping for a gimmick win is only okay when the characters I like do it!" Upvote this video, camp out every low-tier at your next local and really push your local camping meta. Great melee is sure to come after :)
I can’t believe you’d rather make a video teaching overpowered top tiers to laser camp low tiers instead of writing low tier guides. You’re literally Fox News, “fair and balanced” at this point 😂
Honestly, I like fighting low tiers. I will always love competitive Smash, in every Smash game from 64 to Ultimate, but low tiers add that variety the game needs to stay fun. Sadly, low tiers also have a lot of gimmicks and teaches bad habits.
from playing bowser recently for fun i think its not even bad habits in a conventional sense; bowsers best options translate so badly to good characters they can make it harder to play them correctly. of course everything is fixable with practise though.
@@ciarankelly3726 I won't lie, my main game right now is Ultimate. I like spectating Melee but it's outside my skill range. Anyway, I play in the higher end of the GSP system and it just doesn't matter. On top of online habits, I've had people play characters like Pit or Olimar, characters that have no hitbox on their UpB, yet will UpB out of shield, consistently. Like 9 times out of 10, and they get punished for it every single time. And it's because characters like DK, Samus, Dr. Mario, Cloud and Steve have a decent UpB out of shield. It has taught these players to always use UpB out of shield because that's your only option for most of the characters I just listed.
Leffen knows that Hbox's best bet at an approach is using platforms to reduce landing lags so he will run around until he knows Hbox has no option to approach without lag
Welcome to the FGC, Melee players. This is what neutral game is. The idea is that both players are trying their hardest to win. It's not WWE - a Doc main
@@kickitsmooth low tiers are inherently lame. They force the top tier to camp so they don't fall into their lame gimmicks. Then they get mad when the top tier doesn't just die for nothing. Just lame all around. Even mid tiers are like this, to a less extent
the comments here are so weird yeah being camped out sucks, i love playing ice climbers and they get hit hard by this, but shaming people for trying to win in a competitive game is absolutely ridiculous, especially since at the end of the day every top player is doing some variation of this all the time, especially the players that are generally considered cool like n0ne or mang0 the title is only how to beat any low tier in a good attempt to clickbait you into seriously learning how to play the game
This is unranked. And no, n0ne and mang0 don’t laser camp random low tiers on unranked while running in circles. They simply do not. And they’d be ridiculed if they did
@@HieronymousLex if having a ranking system is the litmus test for a game being competitive then i guess smash was never competitive until 2013 when they started the miom top 100 and you're getting far too hung up on your initial disgust of laser camping to see the actual point of the video which is to use the tools you're given to avoid your opponent and call out when they're going to approach, taking advantage of the fact that you're playing against a human with emotions, not just a character. The only real difference between a "cool" top player and a "lame" top player is the distance they camp at. When you really get a good look at it the same overarching ideas from this video are being used, just with a different way of expressing it depending on whether they short distance camp or long distance camp. It's simply impossible to find that top level of success and consistency in melee without using some variation of this playstyle or you'll find a player that uses it against you, and even if they don't know the specifics of what you're doing, knowing when you're going to do it gives them a major advantage.
Peach can cover the jump by throwing a turnip up, so the jump option doesn't work well if the peach is doing this. I do it when i play peach cause i know people will try to abuse the slow jump shes got. Since it hits sideways, its easy to combo off of too
Was looking for someone to say this lol. Turnips and floating makes Peach able to beat circle camping. But most players are Fox/Falco/Falcon mains so the prevailing opinion is Peach loses to circle camping.
Being a Mario player is rough because you're either playing on hard mode, or people are just quitting as soon as they see you're not one of the top 8 characters.
playing a low tier doesnt make you cool. winning a few games in unranked as a ness isnt cool either. being CONSISTENTLY good with ness or any other low tier is cool. thank you for posting this, less foxes losing to low tiers is just going to make unranked more enjoyable for the rest of us. edit: censoring h@x isnt cool and is super revisionist, thats fucking hella lame bro.
@@selvyucro Gotta be bad before you can get good. That's the real issue though; It's hard to play people and get better when nobody wants to play against you.
So you're just a giant pussy who doesn't wanna fight low tiers on unranked and wants to make it so you never fight against them anymore do to frustrating them and only fight high tiers is what im getting here. Gotcha!
Shit I've been doing that fox shit for years, to the kids at my old high school in club, or at tournaments definetly my daily play style online, sorry yall
This is why any floaty needs to ban DL against Fox. Big space + top plat = no fun. The Foxes are realizing DL is legit his best stage in most MUs. Thats why Foxes ban stadium, the lack of top plat makes it kind of an FD 2. Puff is probably the only floaty that can go DL vs Fox because of mobility and rest and even then, its a pain.
@@aftermarketmartin2126 I wasn't mad, just saying it cause that's basically what he was teaching. Also, that's a very scrub reason BTW. If you like playing a character, then play them. If someone's gonna play like that against you, then it says more about them than you.
This is why I hate try hard foxes lol. Like dude I’m just having fun playing a character not in the top third of the cast and you’re camping me on UNRANKED? Okay
the weirdest thing to me about floaty mains is that when you do camp them, as is optimal, they don't want to play any more. if you start camping platforms and evading without committing once you have a lead, people just dip or spam taunt. there is a big veil over defensive and campy playstyles as boring and meta-killing but it's almost the opposite in that the one being zoned out has to use their brain way more than if they were playing a typical, aggressive neutral game. it's the kind of gameplay that leaves both competitors a sweaty mess from how much mental effort it took to either get one hit or not get hit once. on netplay though... it's just not worth engaging :)
this really really is not gonna help the 'low tier players don't deserve to have fun so i'm going to troll and camp them into oblivion instead of just treating it like a normal match' attitude that a lot of people have lol
So these are the options, You can just quit out of the match against a low tier (my go to) or you play them and have zero fun, or you camp them and make them work for it. I would mess around and play them my way, but then they win and taunt you and leave anyways. So you might as well make them regret playing a terrible char.
@@SomeoneWitSkill the only low tiers who taunt someone who's not circle camping them are high tier mains that are just trying to be disrespectful. Don't take out the rudeness of those people onto actual lowtier mains
Not me. Im good enough where I can get a rage quit streak going and I’m not even playing lame. It sucks. I can only imagine how bad Puff mains have it.
Sounds like you raged while playing unranked because you got beat by some low tiers and decided to make a low effort video chiting on them. Seriously lol, a 9 minute video saying to pick fox/falco and camp on dreamland/fountain. Do you have a twitter? Where can we get more access to your deep intellectual thoughts? This strategy isn't even close to perfect - evidence of which are your recent losses to low tiers on Slippi.
I'm a hyper aggressive low tier main, if someone starts circle camping me with lasers, I just get an early lead, then stand on a platform forcing them to approach.
I was unconciously doing this everytime I met a puff in unranked whos first input was to grab the ledge before doing anything else. Run away shoot lasers, wait for them to overcommit, punish them slightly and run away. If youre a puff player in unranked who goes straight for the ledge you deserve to beat your head against a wall to the next 5 minutes until you have no stocks left
Great vid. It's cruel, but it needs to be said. I finally dropped Doc after experiencing everything you described. Top platform on BF and DL64 is basically impossible to threaten. Crouch-cancel improvements over the last few years really put the nail in the coffin.
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What low tier match up are you the best at?
Luigi. Just laser camp and shine spike.
@@krazyzyko as Marth I just wave dash back and forth while down tilting. Surprisingly effective, and irritating to the Luigi who keeps trying to approach
i fuck up zeldas
DK Ness
I can already imagine Kira playing fox at 4 AM, laser camping the fuck out of a ness who started playing 3 months ago. They get annoyed, quit on the second stock. Kira laughs, and queues unranked again. This time it's a peach. He gets the lead, then jumps on top platform. "I have the lead, so I don't have to approach", he thinks. A couple of seconds later, the peach player quits as well. Kira cackles, then realises it's late. He shuts down his computer, pleased that he had defeated his opponents so easily with his superior neutral. As the monitor turns off, he sees himself in the dark reflection. For a brief moment, the thought of him just being kind of an asshole crosses his mind. He quickly shrugs it off - "Nah, it's just a game" - and heads to bed, still smiling. Tomorrow's going to be a big day for him, after all. He'll be finishing and uploading his next tutorial, "How to utilize taunts to throw off opponents in Melee".
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This is fucking hilarious
Fighting a low-tier is like studying for hours and hours for a test only to get a question on something only mentioned in an obscure part of the textbook.
We really out here giving tutorials on how to laser camp a Ness.
A Ness that can't even use Up-B, no less. Poor guy never stood a chance.
If only ness psi magnet actually functioned well
as we should
@@JaBiBLeS well said, bob
This video was a joke right?
Pour one out for the low tier mains on netplay, forever doomed to be one-and-doned, insta quit out on, or camped/mixed up on. They fight the toughest battles lmao
I love fighting low tiers. Seeing the same 3 characters are tiring.
I play yl and a decent amount of people stick around (less than when i play fox but still)
i'm a luigi player and im pissed that this guy is actually encouraging people to be assholes
@@nootaboot7042 cry ab it im gonna camp u 4ever
We all have the same character select screen, if you choose to play a low tier you get what you signed up for. Picking a low tier then complaining about how your character doesn't have tools to best something is stupid, if it's a big enough problem that you don't think you can beat it switch characters or at least pick up a secondary
when floaty camps (lame): 😠😡🤬
when spacie camps (sick): 😁😎👍
usually floaty camps involve noninteraction with the game, spacie camps usually mean they're just running and gunning
As a Samus main I need you to stop spreading this forbidden knowledge
Someone got bodied by a Luigi on unranked, the seething is palpable.
i'm that luigi
@@nootaboot7042 we are that luigi
1. Pick Sheik
Can you explain the joke please? (I'm not a very good melee player)
@@lotalentueux Shiek autocomboes and has pretty simple kill confirms on any character. She was considered the strongest character in melee's infancy because anyone could set up into a forward air and win with shiek.
make sure u kno how to dthrow chaingrab too :)
@@lotalentueux she can chain grab most of the low teirs and has auto combos and free edge gaurds on them all too
Oh ok thanks you all for the explanation!
Look bro, all of this is a valid way of winning, but you have influence in the community and you're influencing people to be assholes. The part at 6:48 is super uncalled for. Why should you be laughing at them when they are working super fucking hard and most likely outplaying the shit out of you? It makes no sense.
I was searching for your comment tbh
Kira really just edited “waiting for game” into our match footage
Bruh this is turning into a damn tyranny of characters, this man is really saying spam lasers against Zelda lmaooo
Man I'm already fighting an uphill battle and you're over here telling everyone to camp me? I thought you were better than that.
pick a lame character, face the consequences. eat these lasers
@@aftermarketmartin2126 lol yeah you gotta resort to camping a bottom tier and I'm the lame one. Do guys like you even have fun playing this game?
@@aftermarketmartin2126 lame character? You serious? You should bring respect instead of encouraging people to pick top tiers instead of low tiers, it's already a game full of falcos, foxes, marths etc, a bit of variety can make the game more fun. I bet you have fun just by winning and not by playing the game. Plus they are called low tiers for a reason, you can beat them without camping and playing lame...
@@aftermarketmartin2126 omg another Fox! Dude you’re so cool and good, because fox is fast. You’re just like mang0.
What you don’t realize is that you’re playing easily the best character so you have to work less hard than everyone else. And you seen shameless about it. Somewhere along the way, you forgot what melee is about. Everyone respects low tiers more than they respect yet ANOTHER fox player. Nobody is impressed by you dude. And if you camp me on unranked I’m leaving with the knowledge that you are a complete loser
@@HieronymousLex "What you don’t realize is that you’re playing easily the best character so you have to work less hard than everyone else. And you seen shameless about it. Somewhere along the way, you forgot what melee is about."
Why should anybody feel shame for playing a good character with tools they like? And what exactly is Melee all about?
"Everyone respects low tiers more than they respect yet ANOTHER fox player. Nobody is impressed by you dude."
Speak for yourself buddy, not everybody is as obsessed over what other people think of them as you. And nobody is impressed by what character you're playing when they come across you on unranked.
"And if you camp me on unranked I’m leaving with the knowledge that you are a complete loser." And I'll leave not giving a shit and move on with my life. Stop being so angry, meditate, it's good for you.
He finally f smashed the pichu
I feel like he made this video just because it was so fitting
@@GustoFormula I thought the same thing LMAO
Yeah I suppose "how to circle camp" isn't quite as catchy of a video title
it's either that, learning forbidden matchups or making random things on the spot, which sounds like the best for both parties, but most likely the top tier player would get 2-0ed in bracket
If I match against someone in unranked that laser or platform camps, I’m leaving regardless of the character I’m playing as. I’ll find someone else who’s actually interesting and fun to play with. I don’t play unranked to simulate a tournament experience.
Also playing the game to strictly to make the other player have a bad time just cause of the character they choose is weird and toxic IMO.
That or the people that taunt after everything. I make it my goal for them to have the least amount of fun possible. They get to watch me practice shield drops or platform movement for the next 8 minutes or fight a lvl 0 cpu.
i really wish you had made this video about camping slow characters effectively (which is an awesome topic and very important!) but left out all of the negative attitude towards low-tiers. i know you touched on their perspective at the end, but the way you introduce these characters at the outset is just rude, and the advice you give is full of snarky remarks about making them feel bad (e.g. 6:48 "laugh at them"? i know you are joking but also you are clearly aware of the community energy towards these characters and this does not help). incredibly disappointed that a content creator of your caliber isn't considering this stuff tbh.
There is a direct correlation between this video being published and the increase of camping on unranked. We did not need a video guide teaching people how to ruin the fun of everybody who does not main the top tiers
Switch to a better character.
Nah I actually agree though. Way too many brain dead players who spam laser, then taunt you every kill or every other kill, like as if what they did was sick. Yes, sick in the head! It’s very frustrating. Slippi Online is full of toxic losers, but Falcos are EASILY the most toxic
9:00 Finally... inner peace
1. Go fox
2. Lose first stock because outplayed
3. Quit out because fox doesn't lose
4. Reassure your ego that it was fluke
5. Repeat
pretty much lmao
As a Zelda main I'm aware that people always try to be "cool and tryhard" and they think they'll instantly win just because they play as a better character, ending up humilliating themselves by their own toxicity
The fact that 19k+ people needed to watch this shows that most of the players struggle to fight low tiers because it's so rare to find them
lmao y'all really need a tutorial for camping
the psychoanalysis of the ness player was weird as fuck. sad to see a vid thats just going to perpetuate low tier hate in the community
When you run outta ideas and make a guide on how to beat up the special kids in class instead of the bullies.
As long as you have fun it doesn't matter who you pick. Which is why i pick Pichu. 😄
Kindred spirit, I've started playing him only just recently and it's so much fun
Good guy
I find this strat is actually inherent to playing slow, punishing characters. With characters like puff, you often dont have the frame data and speed to be guarunteed much of anything by simply doing your own game plan. Instead of thinking about your own game plan you have to spend all of your mental capacity considering your opponents. You take things slow, learn their style, and eventually punish something extremely hard. You wreck your opponent at rock paper scissors instead of challenging them on frame data and button presses.
Many foxes just need to realize that theyre able to do this strategy too, and they can work that in with their destructive frame data for an even better character.
Alternate title: Man gloats about beating random ness player, psychoanalyzes opponent, then gives incorrect advice
Incorrect?
Tutorial on how to be avoided at your local
Stop showering and always wipe your nose on your sleeve or hand.
I’m glad he included some counter-strategies towards the end but, I don’t think making the game more frustrating and incentivizing less character variety is really good for the health of the game.
This will just make more people quit and less people start. Adapt or die I guess, just seems less fun personally.
Lol he is just encouraging people to actually play neutral. It's a competitive fighting game, nothing wrong with that.
- a Doc main
@@pippincovington1348 I have it hard enough as it is as a link main
Samus main here.
The more opponents I play who know what they are doing against me, the better. Playing against non-campy foxes all day does nothing but teach me bad neutral habits
Damn, imagine having to make a full-on guide video on how to beat low tier characters... guess the folks that say Melee is unbalanced garbage have been PUT in their PLACE!
You're not supposed to be here yet.
@@SSBMTutorials Oh whoops, seen a new tutorial vid in the playlist, soz.
@@SSBMTutorials lmao
@@SSBMTutorials?
I used to think that retreating, laser camping, and even using shield (LOL) was "lame." Now I know that my braindead "hold forward, always attack" mentality was holding me back and not allowing me to even understand the neutral game, let alone play it. Good video as always!
Well, it is lame
Retreating, shielding, ect aren't lame but camping is. Yes, it's more likely you will win playing that way but it's equally as important to play non-degenerately.
Low tiers spam things for free? Lol, try to play a low tier against a swordy with a super disjointed hitbox or a super fast furry with a one frame attack. Those characters can literally play half brain dead by abusing their high-tier privileges.
Low risk camping is what makes melee fun to watch and play. It's hilarious that this is supported by the same community that banned wobbling. "Camping for a gimmick win is only okay when the characters I like do it!" Upvote this video, camp out every low-tier at your next local and really push your local camping meta. Great melee is sure to come after :)
the year is 2037. the only way people play is camping. professional players go through 27 controllers a day due to destroying their B buttons.
Did cody write this script?
This is why, imo, it makes way more sense to give good projectiles to slow characters, not fast ones.
i come back to this a couple times a year, its so fucking funny, man really made a whole video saying "camp low tiers on unranked lol"
I can’t believe you’d rather make a video teaching overpowered top tiers to laser camp low tiers instead of writing low tier guides.
You’re literally Fox News, “fair and balanced” at this point 😂
this shit is like the floaty guide equivalent to wobbling, it'll work on low level players but does it really help the watcher get better?
Oh please try this on my Luigi.
Just do it. I won’t wavedash in I swear
**stands on top platform**
The problem with Luigi is the shine.
watching aklo dash dance is so sick. hes just big chillin
Chillin is pretty big already
Seeing new upload make me so happy thank you for the good content keep going
Honestly, I like fighting low tiers. I will always love competitive Smash, in every Smash game from 64 to Ultimate, but low tiers add that variety the game needs to stay fun.
Sadly, low tiers also have a lot of gimmicks and teaches bad habits.
from playing bowser recently for fun i think its not even bad habits in a conventional sense; bowsers best options translate so badly to good characters they can make it harder to play them correctly. of course everything is fixable with practise though.
@@ciarankelly3726 I won't lie, my main game right now is Ultimate. I like spectating Melee but it's outside my skill range.
Anyway, I play in the higher end of the GSP system and it just doesn't matter. On top of online habits, I've had people play characters like Pit or Olimar, characters that have no hitbox on their UpB, yet will UpB out of shield, consistently. Like 9 times out of 10, and they get punished for it every single time.
And it's because characters like DK, Samus, Dr. Mario, Cloud and Steve have a decent UpB out of shield. It has taught these players to always use UpB out of shield because that's your only option for most of the characters I just listed.
powershield falco laser as a low tier? I just press D-pad Up before the laser hits me
okay cancelling taunt by taking laser sounds hilarious that could be a whole combo video
Leffen knows that Hbox's best bet at an approach is using platforms to reduce landing lags so he will run around until he knows Hbox has no option to approach without lag
doc mains… Pill Up brothers. Cape Up kings. Do not get lasered forever. Study up on that BH4 Shroomed/Lef set.
My first unranked game after watching this was 4 stocking a DK w/ fox.
LFG HE FSMASHED THE PICHU
Welcome to the FGC, Melee players. This is what neutral game is. The idea is that both players are trying their hardest to win. It's not WWE
- a Doc main
literally what good melee players have been doing for decades but thank you mr. FGC rep
Why would you make this video? As if floaties and low tiers don't have it hard enough.
Thanks, I'm ready to money match the Veggie Monster now
You are now obligated to make a video titled "how to beat camping top tiers with slow characters"
Step one: Pick Fox
@@awisefool1975 That's just fighting fire with fire, we wanna fight fire with gasoline.
Not sure how I feel about a “how to play lame” tutorial, but I guess zoning is part of every fighting game.
playing lame is picking a low tier
@@aftermarketmartin2126 Lame is a playstyle, not a character pick.
@@kickitsmooth low tiers are inherently lame. They force the top tier to camp so they don't fall into their lame gimmicks. Then they get mad when the top tier doesn't just die for nothing. Just lame all around. Even mid tiers are like this, to a less extent
Just, pick a top tier. Please. Everyone will have more fun
@@aftermarketmartin2126 Tell that to Axe’s young link or scorpion master. Low tiers can be sick and camping isn’t required to beat them.
Foxes be like "I don't like playing against low tiers they're annoying" and then circle camps the entire time.
the comments here are so weird
yeah being camped out sucks, i love playing ice climbers and they get hit hard by this, but shaming people for trying to win in a competitive game is absolutely ridiculous, especially since at the end of the day every top player is doing some variation of this all the time, especially the players that are generally considered cool like n0ne or mang0
the title is only how to beat any low tier in a good attempt to clickbait you into seriously learning how to play the game
This is unranked. And no, n0ne and mang0 don’t laser camp random low tiers on unranked while running in circles. They simply do not. And they’d be ridiculed if they did
@@HieronymousLex if having a ranking system is the litmus test for a game being competitive then i guess smash was never competitive until 2013 when they started the miom top 100
and you're getting far too hung up on your initial disgust of laser camping to see the actual point of the video which is to use the tools you're given to avoid your opponent and call out when they're going to approach, taking advantage of the fact that you're playing against a human with emotions, not just a character.
The only real difference between a "cool" top player and a "lame" top player is the distance they camp at. When you really get a good look at it the same overarching ideas from this video are being used, just with a different way of expressing it depending on whether they short distance camp or long distance camp.
It's simply impossible to find that top level of success and consistency in melee without using some variation of this playstyle or you'll find a player that uses it against you, and even if they don't know the specifics of what you're doing, knowing when you're going to do it gives them a major advantage.
Peach can cover the jump by throwing a turnip up, so the jump option doesn't work well if the peach is doing this. I do it when i play peach cause i know people will try to abuse the slow jump shes got. Since it hits sideways, its easy to combo off of too
Was looking for someone to say this lol. Turnips and floating makes Peach able to beat circle camping. But most players are Fox/Falco/Falcon mains so the prevailing opinion is Peach loses to circle camping.
Being a Mario player is rough because you're either playing on hard mode, or people are just quitting as soon as they see you're not one of the top 8 characters.
me writing everything down so that I can avoid all of this as a mario main
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playing a low tier doesnt make you cool. winning a few games in unranked as a ness isnt cool either. being CONSISTENTLY good with ness or any other low tier is cool. thank you for posting this, less foxes losing to low tiers is just going to make unranked more enjoyable for the rest of us.
edit: censoring h@x isnt cool and is super revisionist, thats fucking hella lame bro.
i think most low tier mains think that too, playing a bad character def isn't cool but being good with them is
@@selvyucro Gotta be bad before you can get good.
That's the real issue though; It's hard to play people and get better when nobody wants to play against you.
So you're just a giant pussy who doesn't wanna fight low tiers on unranked and wants to make it so you never fight against them anymore do to frustrating them and only fight high tiers is what im getting here. Gotcha!
thank u sematary
I main kirby, SOOOOooooo I can say that this strategy is useful to a point.
pretty cringe
Preparing to be laser camped every game on slippi when trying to just have some fun messing with low tiers.
dislikes are people who main low tiers like me
Now everyone knows how to beat pro kirby :(
Shit I've been doing that fox shit for years, to the kids at my old high school in club, or at tournaments definetly my daily play style online, sorry yall
OH SHIT THE PICHU GOT TIPPER FSMASHED
Great way to make low tiers not play melee, ultimately killing your own game
"Good example" Aklos link vs my wild samus leave match.
Bro really ran out of ideas
This is why any floaty needs to ban DL against Fox. Big space + top plat = no fun.
The Foxes are realizing DL is legit his best stage in most MUs. Thats why Foxes ban stadium, the lack of top plat makes it kind of an FD 2.
Puff is probably the only floaty that can go DL vs Fox because of mobility and rest and even then, its a pain.
showing yoshi as a low tier lmao
Coming from a low tier main. Not cool dude not cool
if you hate playing against low tiers so much you can just leave the match
and in tounaments ?
Ok but censoring h@x in the video vods is not cool man. Whether or not you agree with him that is just really dumb.
This is some Soviet shit right here.
AKA, How to Play LAME
if you're gonna play a lame character (low tier), dont be mad when the game is lame
@@aftermarketmartin2126
I wasn't mad, just saying it cause that's basically what he was teaching.
Also, that's a very scrub reason BTW.
If you like playing a character, then play them. If someone's gonna play like that against you, then it says more about them than you.
@@aftermarketmartin2126 low tiers arent lame, they just dont want to be another generic fox/falco/marth all the time. Variety makes the game fun
This is why I hate try hard foxes lol. Like dude I’m just having fun playing a character not in the top third of the cast and you’re camping me on UNRANKED? Okay
the weirdest thing to me about floaty mains is that when you do camp them, as is optimal, they don't want to play any more. if you start camping platforms and evading without committing once you have a lead, people just dip or spam taunt. there is a big veil over defensive and campy playstyles as boring and meta-killing but it's almost the opposite in that the one being zoned out has to use their brain way more than if they were playing a typical, aggressive neutral game. it's the kind of gameplay that leaves both competitors a sweaty mess from how much mental effort it took to either get one hit or not get hit once.
on netplay though... it's just not worth engaging :)
Bold of u to assume the plan isnt random bullshit go
this really really is not gonna help the 'low tier players don't deserve to have fun so i'm going to troll and camp them into oblivion instead of just treating it like a normal match' attitude that a lot of people have lol
surely if they're camping you out that means they're taking it extra seriously?
congrats on the successful soft release of epiphany city 😁 i'm excited to try it
As a Samus main, I already fuckin hated this shit. I tremble to think of what you’ve just done to the Slippi meta smh.
Its okay if you do it in tournament. But why would someone do it on unranked?
Also, do we really need to play that lame to beat a low tier?
Marth reaction tech chase tutorial ?
Do people actually enjoy getting rage quit on?
So these are the options, You can just quit out of the match against a low tier (my go to) or you play them and have zero fun, or you camp them and make them work for it. I would mess around and play them my way, but then they win and taunt you and leave anyways. So you might as well make them regret playing a terrible char.
@@SomeoneWitSkill the only low tiers who taunt someone who's not circle camping them are high tier mains that are just trying to be disrespectful. Don't take out the rudeness of those people onto actual lowtier mains
@@gooby8329 Thanks, i'll continue to make every low tier player regret picking a terrible character.
Not me. Im good enough where I can get a rage quit streak going and I’m not even playing lame. It sucks. I can only imagine how bad Puff mains have it.
@@SomeoneWitSkill shut up we can choose who we want
“Because that’s optimal”
You don't even need to camp on anyone besides puff and peach. Fox up smash literally beats almost every low tier move
This is so evil, just camp them out 😂
Sounds like you raged while playing unranked because you got beat by some low tiers and decided to make a low effort video chiting on them. Seriously lol, a 9 minute video saying to pick fox/falco and camp on dreamland/fountain. Do you have a twitter? Where can we get more access to your deep intellectual thoughts? This strategy isn't even close to perfect - evidence of which are your recent losses to low tiers on Slippi.
summary play lame win games
ez clap
3:38 dafuq nice combo
Low tier/campy players usually rq when i use their strategy against them
I'm a hyper aggressive low tier main, if someone starts circle camping me with lasers, I just get an early lead, then stand on a platform forcing them to approach.
But good Samus and Links/YLs can make this strategy tough because of their own projectiles...
good. you shouldn't be camping. go play the game
Yo I'm in a SSBMTutorials video this is so cool!
Now how much can I pay you to delete this video oh god i already get camped enough
ill do it for like $100 bucks tbh i am not well off
You must be great at parties...
r.i.p. Pichu
I was unconciously doing this everytime I met a puff in unranked whos first input was to grab the ledge before doing anything else. Run away shoot lasers, wait for them to overcommit, punish them slightly and run away.
If youre a puff player in unranked who goes straight for the ledge you deserve to beat your head against a wall to the next 5 minutes until you have no stocks left
and yet you circle camp? how much different are you from the puff?
Great vid. It's cruel, but it needs to be said. I finally dropped Doc after experiencing everything you described. Top platform on BF and DL64 is basically impossible to threaten. Crouch-cancel improvements over the last few years really put the nail in the coffin.
Sounds kinda biased to me imo
Idk why people think low tier players get special treatment. He makes videos on how to deal with every character's bullshit. LOL Git gud.
yeah but this isnt dealing with bullshit, its becoming the bullshit
Does ganondorf count as a low tier
He counts as a midtier
I personally believe anything below doc is low tier but thats just me