@@trinityriordan2943 I think it's a reference to the original book. It's been awhile but I think it's because no one is innocent but anyone can be not guilty of something. A bit of word play there.
@@trinityriordan2943 what it means is while she's not innocent in the sense that her innocence has been taken away from her, she wasn't guilty of the death of her family. So she isn't an innocent child, but she's not a guilty murderer
@@trinityriordan2943 I honestly think it’s because she still believes she had something to do with the fire that makes her no innocent but doesn’t make her guilty of arson either…
I kind of have an idea that the queen represents Alice’s logic and reason. Shes trying to control Wonderland, control Alice’s madness through reason, trying to take it by force. She is also fleshy, kind of similar to a human brain, or that might be reaching a bit. It also helps that she’s portrayed as a younger Alice (not her sister as most think) representing a young, sane Alice. As shown here, she reveals thoughts Alice never thinks of and helps clear her mind to the true issues plaguing Alice and Wonderland. She even says that if Wonderland disappears, she will still be there. Even if Alice’s memories and madness are destroyed, her logic, reasoning and problem solving will still be there.
The queen has always represented what drove Alice insane. Guilt, Anguish, and Anger. In this sequel it takes the more specific form of her victim: her older sister who was raped and murdered by the soon-to-be therapist who is also a pedophile after Alice provided him with the key to her room, while still an innocent and oblivious child. The thought of the Red Queen disgusts Alice and drives her mad because the thought of her sister and what Alice did to her is unbearable and grotesque.
@@JonesCrimson well the logic theory can still happen. Can you feel guilty if you don't have logic and knowledge to understand that what you did is wrong.
The problem is, accepting the Red Queen before Alice is ready to deal with her guilt would likely result in her suicide. But in the first game you thought the fire was your fault. Here her sanity realizes she's not the guilty one, and that she's being manipulated, so she's an unwilling and unwanted ally. In the first game since Alice couldn't face reality due to her guilt, The Queen, being sanity and reason was her ultimate enemy. Here Reality means throwing off the manipulation and mental prison the Doctor is trying to trap her in. It's a goal the insane and sane parts of her mind share, so they're reluctantly willing to work together.
RequiemPoete even what the queen says in this part is mostly reasonable, understandable things over the insane ramblings of the Hatter or the confusing wordplay of the Caterpillar. She says that Alice isn’t looking around her, taking in and fully reasoning her external information, denying logical processes and instead just believing the lies and manipulation that is put into her brain. But a reasonable person surrounded by maniacs trying to speak their words just blends in with the crowd. She’s ignored and feared because of how true her words ring.
@@klausoshaunacey8429 and RequiemPoete, so that's why for me there's something that although dark, it feels right in the world she was trying to build in the first game. Thanks for the involuntary explanation.
I think honesty the Red Queen is one of the best characters in this game, if not the best (besides Alice herself, of course). She has a truly magnificent design and the change in her voice to show you that she has mouths all over the castle...brilliant! My admiration of this game and it's genius simply doesn't seem to cease! (Why the hell am I so obsessed with the concept of Wonderland? I must be mad...Oh well. We're all mad here...)
@Dylan Eats Too Much Pasta I always had a sinking feeling even before the reveal that he wasn't as good as he claimed. Heck, the memoirs involving him had a disconnect of sorts that treated memories the same way you would view junk mail or dust bunnies, and thus made him come off as more and more untrustworthy as the game goes on.
@@bronzesun879 when you look at the whole story, you understand the others was trying tell her who is responsible for this mess the carpenter tell alice to consider that she may have been misled, but by whom? And caterpillar tell Alice she's running away from reality then her confront with the red queen we get this You see the pattern of destruction, I know you do! The train is trying to destroy all evidence of your past and especially the fire. Now, who would want that ? “Who benefits from your madness? and the answer to that is Dr. Bumby
Vicente isaac Lopez valdez I think the question is what do Alice’s fire incident and wonderland have in common ? Both falling apart to cover up something bad And for some reason killing the madness to keep the truth from coming out to Alice who knows what happened
To be fair, Alice was sent to the Queen specifically because she wasn’t listening. Off the top of my head, Cheshire, Caterpillar, and Carpenter all told her that she was misled to destroy Wonderland and herself via the Train.
A theory: Queensland looks the way it does because the Queen of Hearts represents Alice's Id, the deepest, darkest and most primal aspect of her mind. When she visits the Queen, she is visiting her inner child.
Alice had an older sister. And after playing through both the games, I'm pretty sure the Red Queen is merely instinct and survival. She tries to take control when Alice is going mad in order to preserve all of wonderland (or at least most of it), and then secures her home for survival when/if wonderland gets destroyed by the Dollmaker. She would still be alive in Alice even if "Alice" was no longer around because she would be the instinct keeping Alice alive (you can suppress and forget instinct, but you can't destroy it).
"What you claim not to know is merely what you've done denied. You've recaptured your vagrant memories." I love the subtle change in the Queen's voice- its clearly and distinctly the voice of Elizabeth, whose voice we hear throughout collected memories in-game.
When you look at the whole story, you understand the others before actually told you much... The carpenter tell Alice to consider that she may have been misled, but by whom? And Caterpillar tell Alice she's running away from reality. That's what make this game so great. The answer is right under your nose but just like Alice you are unable to understand fully until the very end.
Alice’s madness had transformed the queen of hearts into a tentacle monster. She has no physical form, so she uses a puppet body. The first puppet was less human than this one, the face merely being a mask that falls off when her fight begins. This one is more human (and symbolic of the truth), though still imperfect with the claws and aforementioned lip sync problem.
It's different. Remember The Queen represents Alice's sanity. In the first game Alice couldn't face reality due to her guilt over her parents' death. That's why the Queen was the ultimate enemy. Here the Queen's goals are the same as Alice's for different reasons. As her sanity The Queen wants to be rid of the manipulation and false and faded memories caused by the Doctor due to the fact what the Doctor wants Alice to think isn't reality. Meanwhile Alice wants to be rid of them because they threaten Wonderland. The insane part she retreats to when she can't face reality. The Queen is willing but reluctant to help.
@@RequiemPoete I know your comment's old, but you're right, without mentioning that American confirmed that the Queen is Alice's super-ego and(at least in the first game), she represents a collection of Alice's broken emotions.
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both stories are good. The first one showed that this 'red queen' was alice all along and a manifestation of her guilt that was destroying her mind. In the second game it's an outside force that's destroying her mind instead which is why she reverts back into madness even after leaving the asylum. I like both stories but for me the shock of finding out Alice herself was the reason for wonderlands destruction in pt1 was better. Plus every character represented parts of herself good and bad.
2:24 I've always loved this quote, and yeah I know that I'm probably just reading too much into it, but I think what she says is profound in a way. Don't disobey authority for the sake of disobedience. There needs to be purpose for your rebellion, otherwise you're simply stirring the pot. If there isn't a problem with the rules and regulations, then don't make a scene and ruin it for everyone else. Don't let injustice and unfairness walk all over you. Not only should you be doing everything in your power to rebel against the authority that you dislike, it is your obligation to do so. Don't just sit there unhappy with the order that upsets you, get up and do something about it!
You played the first game?!? I was scared shitless when I walked into the garden, I was half expecting a dragon to jump out of no where and kill me in one chomp.
Alice: "What's the key to learning what's wrong?" Queen: "The children." Alice: "Is it something I've missed?" Queen: "The children Alice." Alice: "Perhaps something in Wonderland I've yet to find?" Queen: "The children in the place you work, it's not that hard." Alice: "Maybe I'm not going about this correctly?" Queen: "For the love of-THE CHILDREN IN THE ORPHANAGE WHERE YOU WORK FOR BUMBY!!! THE CREEPY MAN WHO'S STRANGELY ALL ABOUT FORGETTING IMPORTANT THINGS?!!?" Alice: "Look if you're not going to help.." Queen: "Bloody Hell, I was better off blown to chunks!"
The Cheshire Cat is supposed to represent Alice's id : the inaccessible part of one's psyche, which contains one's primary instincts. This theory makes sense for several reasons : if the Cat is Alice's id, he is the embodiment of her desire to escape insanity, and possibly of her desire to finally be able to live a normal life : that would explain why the Cheshire Cat acts as an ally of Alice. Furthermore, Alice's Wonderland avatar is meant to be her ego, the
I love that it's the Queen of Hearts here who is actually calling Alice out, her former worst enemy, you know you've fucked up when it's your worst enemy who is the one calling you out
The juxtapositions the Queen embodies are very complex and wonderful. In the first game, she represented Alice's antagonistic half in the form of a usurper. The wonder of this is, that where Alice is the architect of Wonderland (the mind), she lost control of it to the Queen whose insignia represents not a fictional land, but life -- that is, real life in the crudest sense: so long as the heart beats, there is no need for the conscious mind, and it is precisely why the Queen wants to seize control after Alice loses control of herself and Wonderland. The Queen knows that she cannot kill Alice, and neither can Alice destroy the Queen without destroying herself, so she of course plans to apprehend her, therefore granting herself full authority over Wonderland. For all intents and purposes, the Queen represents the futile existence of a braindead victim. But the heart is also the throne of Empathy. Alice's own psychological trauma "mitigates the failure to act earlier" in response to the evil preparations Bumby puts his minor patients through. It is precisely the Queen of Hearts that implores Alice that what her mind's view conceals is a tragedy, and that she is not looking at what is happening around her; for her eyes to open, her sense of Justice, born of Empathy whose seat is the heart, must be reawakened in order for her existence to mean something, or "we are all doomed."
"You´d prefer the hot, stinking breath and unyielding attention of a potent, unreasoning, unfeeling, hell-raiser? I don´t think so." that´s the problem summed up pretty well I´d say, straight to the point
No like her whole accent has changed in AMA she had a very deep posh voice and in AMR she sounds more high pitched and there's a certain twang to her voice I dunno it's just hard to believe it's the same Queen I guess that's what Alice meant by she was expecting someone else
I loved how they took Alice and turned it super demented. I want another game in the similar. This style and the gameplay revolving around the other Disney villains. Sleeping beauty would be a good one
I think you forgot to realize that the Queen represented Alice's state of mind which in the first game it was her insanity and the second game it's her childhood (since she views the world as a child which is evident in the Vale of Tears and such) hence the Queen is Young Alice.
did anyone else have a bit of a crush on the red queen? she is so intelligent, adorable, but spooky as well. How old is she? She sounds and looks like she is in her early 20's
Alice was expecting it to be someone else?...Like who?! Look around at your surroundings Alice, who else do you know in Wonderland who would live in that type of environment except the Red Queen?
In the first game the queen looked way different. The queen in Alice (2000) was about the same age as alice and here entire body was morbid flesh with her face in the mouth of another face who was in the mouth of another face.
cebruthius actually American confirmed its a younger Alice, I thought it was Lizzie too because in Infernal Train Alice calls her Lizzie. It would make more sense for her to be Alice because in AMA The Queen’s mouth opens to reveal the Hatter (the queen represents her whole mind aka the heart, the Hatter represents her fear of death) in the Hatter’s mouth reveals Alice therefore the queen is Alice :)
I'm really hoping the next Red Queen design will be even hotter than this. And not the Tim Burton's bubble headed red queen desing, or that hideous disfigured version from the first game.
The Queen takes important forms. In the first game she was everyone Alice had fought up to that point, all wrapped in a monster. In this game she's someone forgotten.
The Queen IS Alice! In this game, she is not actually Lizzie even though she is called that, she is "Young Alice". In the original game, do you remember, she states "If you destroy me, you destroy yourself!" Also, after battling the Queen in the original, the Queen actually shifts into the appearance of Alice :)
This level was disturbing...the squishing of her footsteps...how the scenery turns to...gore...and then seeing the Queen and when she does that ... mouth thing...
(cont.) ..part of one's psyche whose purpose is to please the id's drives, which would explain why Alice takes advice from him. Also, the id is said to be an unconscious part of one's psyche; impossible to understand; which is a possible explanation as to why the Cat speaks in riddles. Moreover, if the Cat is really a reflection of Alice's id, he is the embodiment of all her raw instincts, which means he knows everything about Alice, and therefore all about Wonderland, explaining his omniscienc
I don't see why people say Queenie is meant to be Lizzie. For one thing, Lizzie was 11 years older then Alice, so Alice wouldn't really have any real memories of Lizzie as a little girl (having not been born for most of Lizzie's childhood and being extremely young for the rest of it). All of Alice's memories would be of Lizzie as a teenager/young woman.
@MsxPrincessxBella But she also says "You once rejected my attempts to control OUR lives" It is a younger Alice. And if it was Lizzie I'm sure Alice would have said "I was expecting someone else!" to her beloved dead sister, especially in the tone she used.
I love her and I love this game! For those who don't know, American McGee has confirmed that the Queen is (younger) Alice, like in the first game! ( her super-ego) not a manifestation of Lizzie!
@zonilo1 Also it makes sense that she's the one who points the suspect to Bumby as if Alice actually knew it was him all along (and Alice probably knew what Bumby was doing to those kids) but Alice was in denial and the Queen is basically Alice's consciousness.
1:59-2:10 I dont Know why But i Love that Head turn Red queen Does after Telling alice The truth That you Claim to See eludes You because You won't look At what's Around you
I love the Queen's voice.. but I think it would of been creepier if her voice had the pitch and tone of a little girl. It would match her face a little more in my opinion. Nevertheless, the game and everything in it is so twisted, I love it.
For those who say that the sequel was unnecessary, I know of two things that may make it more necessary for the saga : -The Queen and the Hatter always say that Alice is runing away from the truth. But what truth is she running from ? I mean, she already feels guilty like they want her too, so it can't be that truth; -Most people have got problems with the fact Alice reverted back to her insane state before the first game, right ? Well, I can actually give you reason on that one, but that's why I've got a fan-fic in which Alice was taken in by Bumbi in return of her help in dealing with her patients, because thanks to her trauma and the damage it caused, she has got a better insight on how to deal with the children. This way, she could keep being the healed and once again happy girl that got out of Rutledge Asylum. However, after being around the doctor for some time, her repressed memories start to resurface vaguely in her dreams, and Bumbi, taking advantage of that mental state that weakens her mind, goes to her room every night and hypnotises her, as he wishes to make a prostitute out of her. This way, she can still have these mental issues she acquired on the second game, but still retain the positive personality she acquired after the first game.
I play that game now and i have to state that is much better than the latest burton film adaptation.Its much darker of course and would not be axcepted for 13 but i waited to see something closer to that in the film.
(cont.)...Additionally, at the end of the second game, he calls Wonderland "our Wonderland," implying he may hold some control or ownership. (This is taken from the wiki)
okay, face of a 10 year old, hands of a 100 year old, a voice that would make Rebecca Black cry, and a mouth that could actually swallow me if it was played in 3D... I love this game.
Miyuki - That's because it's her own mind. Almost the same as not COMPLETELY going insane or getting absolutely terrified by what happens in our dreams.
The 2-D cut scenes were my favorite on this game. Though I would have enjoyed a more challenging struggle to go with my fulfilling story. It is a shame the third one will never rise. I know of the petition but EA doesn't see a profit out of this series. McGee should go the route of Suda51 and release the game on his own. Appeal to his fan base and who knows, a third installment just might pull in a larger audience via word of mouth.
Alice: *walks nonchalantly walks into flesh room with no expression*
Alice: oh hey satan was expecting someone else lol
sad thing is alice's mental mind chooses her actions for her so she really cannot do anything about it, it's just like a nightmare
Probaly because of suffering and torture she losses her fear 🤔
"You don't know your own mind! "
@@HimeCookie "It's nearly a complete stranger "
I think she was expecting the former Queen's body of AMA.
"I'm innocent, i - i mean not Guilty." it's little things like that.
I don't get it?
@@trinityriordan2943 I think it's a reference to the original book. It's been awhile but I think it's because no one is innocent but anyone can be not guilty of something. A bit of word play there.
Oh ok, COOL!
@@trinityriordan2943 what it means is while she's not innocent in the sense that her innocence has been taken away from her, she wasn't guilty of the death of her family. So she isn't an innocent child, but she's not a guilty murderer
@@trinityriordan2943 I honestly think it’s because she still believes she had something to do with the fire that makes her no innocent but doesn’t make her guilty of arson either…
I kind of have an idea that the queen represents Alice’s logic and reason. Shes trying to control Wonderland, control Alice’s madness through reason, trying to take it by force. She is also fleshy, kind of similar to a human brain, or that might be reaching a bit. It also helps that she’s portrayed as a younger Alice (not her sister as most think) representing a young, sane Alice. As shown here, she reveals thoughts Alice never thinks of and helps clear her mind to the true issues plaguing Alice and Wonderland. She even says that if Wonderland disappears, she will still be there. Even if Alice’s memories and madness are destroyed, her logic, reasoning and problem solving will still be there.
The queen has always represented what drove Alice insane. Guilt, Anguish, and Anger. In this sequel it takes the more specific form of her victim: her older sister who was raped and murdered by the soon-to-be therapist who is also a pedophile after Alice provided him with the key to her room, while still an innocent and oblivious child.
The thought of the Red Queen disgusts Alice and drives her mad because the thought of her sister and what Alice did to her is unbearable and grotesque.
@@JonesCrimson well the logic theory can still happen. Can you feel guilty if you don't have logic and knowledge to understand that what you did is wrong.
The problem is, accepting the Red Queen before Alice is ready to deal with her guilt would likely result in her suicide. But in the first game you thought the fire was your fault. Here her sanity realizes she's not the guilty one, and that she's being manipulated, so she's an unwilling and unwanted ally. In the first game since Alice couldn't face reality due to her guilt, The Queen, being sanity and reason was her ultimate enemy. Here Reality means throwing off the manipulation and mental prison the Doctor is trying to trap her in. It's a goal the insane and sane parts of her mind share, so they're reluctantly willing to work together.
RequiemPoete even what the queen says in this part is mostly reasonable, understandable things over the insane ramblings of the Hatter or the confusing wordplay of the Caterpillar. She says that Alice isn’t looking around her, taking in and fully reasoning her external information, denying logical processes and instead just believing the lies and manipulation that is put into her brain. But a reasonable person surrounded by maniacs trying to speak their words just blends in with the crowd. She’s ignored and feared because of how true her words ring.
@@klausoshaunacey8429 and RequiemPoete, so that's why for me there's something that although dark, it feels right in the world she was trying to build in the first game. Thanks for the involuntary explanation.
"I need a better reason to respond than what's currently on offer!"
fav quoteeee
The quote repeated in my mind for days, haha.
It’s delivered so welll
I think honesty the Red Queen is one of the best characters in this game, if not the best (besides Alice herself, of course). She has a truly magnificent design and the change in her voice to show you that she has mouths all over the castle...brilliant! My admiration of this game and it's genius simply doesn't seem to cease! (Why the hell am I so obsessed with the concept of Wonderland? I must be mad...Oh well. We're all mad here...)
I agree with you on every sentence
The World was full of Madness my friend... Were living in Hell of Reality
I really love her design. It reminds me of a China doll almost.
“Who benefits from your madness?”
_Dr. Bumby_
Dylan Eats Too Much Pasta It was the most frustrating thing, ‘cause Alice just brushed it off right after she said it
@Dylan Eats Too Much Pasta I always had a sinking feeling even before the reveal that he wasn't as good as he claimed. Heck, the memoirs involving him had a disconnect of sorts that treated memories the same way you would view junk mail or dust bunnies, and thus made him come off as more and more untrustworthy as the game goes on.
@@bronzesun879
when you look at the whole story, you understand the others was trying tell her who is responsible for this mess the carpenter tell alice to consider that she may have been misled, but by whom? And caterpillar tell Alice she's running away from reality then her confront with the red queen we get this
You see the pattern of destruction, I know you do! The train is trying to destroy all evidence of your past and especially the fire. Now, who would want that ? “Who benefits from your madness? and the answer to that is Dr. Bumby
Alice, you're not even listening to her.
Rin Lockhart exactly!!
She’s literally giving Alice the answer
Anonymous Invader
What was the answer again, and knowing the question may help too.
Vicente isaac Lopez valdez
I think the question is what do Alice’s fire incident and wonderland have in common ?
Both falling apart to cover up something bad
And for some reason killing the madness to keep the truth from coming out to Alice who knows what happened
To be fair, Alice was sent to the Queen specifically because she wasn’t listening. Off the top of my head, Cheshire, Caterpillar, and Carpenter all told her that she was misled to destroy Wonderland and herself via the Train.
A theory: Queensland looks the way it does because the Queen of Hearts represents Alice's Id, the deepest, darkest and most primal aspect of her mind. When she visits the Queen, she is visiting her inner child.
Actually, her inner child is the leader of the insane children. The queen is her insanity.
In the first game, the Dollmaker takes her place in the sequel. I assume that she represents Alice's younger self and her desire forbe alone.
i'm pretty sure the Queen represents Alice's younger sister
Alice had an older sister. And after playing through both the games, I'm pretty sure the Red Queen is merely instinct and survival. She tries to take control when Alice is going mad in order to preserve all of wonderland (or at least most of it), and then secures her home for survival when/if wonderland gets destroyed by the Dollmaker. She would still be alive in Alice even if "Alice" was no longer around because she would be the instinct keeping Alice alive (you can suppress and forget instinct, but you can't destroy it).
+Mandy Scythe (The Dragonslaÿer) oi, alice doesn't have a younger sister. she had an older sister named Lizzie.
"What you claim not to know is merely what you've done denied. You've recaptured your vagrant memories."
I love the subtle change in the Queen's voice- its clearly and distinctly the voice of Elizabeth, whose voice we hear throughout collected memories in-game.
When you look at the whole story, you understand the others before actually told you much... The carpenter tell Alice to consider that she may have been misled, but by whom? And Caterpillar tell Alice she's running away from reality.
That's what make this game so great. The answer is right under your nose but just like Alice you are unable to understand fully until the very end.
Lyra Chan And there’s the one memory later on when the pieces start to fall together where Lizzie calls out her creepy suitor by name: “Bumby”
@Elleborus not minding at all.
I always laugh my ass off when the queen says ''Indeed. And vice versa'' Her voice in that point is just too funny haha
"I won't miss your tentacles." LOL, neither will I.
but they're so fun!
@@1RV34 I bet they’ve made art of that already
I will.
@@Novasigmia trust me, they did *shivers*
@@Novasigmia link please
The Queen's lip sync may not be perfect, but it's still so good.
Lab Matt might be done intentionally to make it more unsettling
She has like more than 20 mouths and eyes
Alice’s madness had transformed the queen of hearts into a tentacle monster. She has no physical form, so she uses a puppet body. The first puppet was less human than this one, the face merely being a mask that falls off when her fight begins. This one is more human (and symbolic of the truth), though still imperfect with the claws and aforementioned lip sync problem.
Authorety must be obeyd or it must be overthrown i like that part
Your English is 100% 👌
*authority
**obeyed
***"I" is capitalised
****you forgot the punctuation
But the other parts were fine.
Tibor Klein this was me 3 years ago i was 15 xD so my spelling was bad and i think it still is but i got better now. Lol
That's okay. I'm not a native English speaker either.
Jad Suarez you need to stay under authority because my good man, your spelling is atrocious.
It cracks me up how obedient the Red Queen is in the sequel. Rude, but obedient. She really doesn't want to get her ass kicked again.
It's different. Remember The Queen represents Alice's sanity.
In the first game Alice couldn't face reality due to her guilt over her parents' death. That's why the Queen was the ultimate enemy. Here the Queen's goals are the same as Alice's for different reasons. As her sanity The Queen wants to be rid of the manipulation and false and faded memories caused by the Doctor due to the fact what the Doctor wants Alice to think isn't reality. Meanwhile Alice wants to be rid of them because they threaten Wonderland. The insane part she retreats to when she can't face reality. The Queen is willing but reluctant to help.
@@RequiemPoete I know your comment's old, but you're right, without mentioning that American confirmed that the Queen is Alice's super-ego and(at least in the first game), she represents a collection of Alice's broken emotions.
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both stories are good. The first one showed that this 'red queen' was alice all along and a manifestation of her guilt that was destroying her mind. In the second game it's an outside force that's destroying her mind instead which is why she reverts back into madness even after leaving the asylum. I like both stories but for me the shock of finding out Alice herself was the reason for wonderlands destruction in pt1 was better. Plus every character represented parts of herself good and bad.
I notice the symbol of mercury is showed often in this game. I think it's a reference to the rampant mercury-induced dementia in 18th century England.
Amber Tears The mercury used in hat making is what drove hatters mad.
Is it just me, or who else love's the queen's voice?
Me.
2:24 I've always loved this quote, and yeah I know that I'm probably just reading too much into it, but I think what she says is profound in a way.
Don't disobey authority for the sake of disobedience. There needs to be purpose for your rebellion, otherwise you're simply stirring the pot. If there isn't a problem with the rules and regulations, then don't make a scene and ruin it for everyone else.
Don't let injustice and unfairness walk all over you. Not only should you be doing everything in your power to rebel against the authority that you dislike, it is your obligation to do so. Don't just sit there unhappy with the order that upsets you, get up and do something about it!
I hated her with a passion in the first game, but she's my favorite character in this game : |
You played the first game?!? I was scared shitless when I walked into the garden, I was half expecting a dragon to jump out of no where and kill me in one chomp.
Alice: "What's the key to learning what's wrong?"
Queen: "The children."
Alice: "Is it something I've missed?"
Queen: "The children Alice."
Alice: "Perhaps something in Wonderland I've yet to find?"
Queen: "The children in the place you work, it's not that hard."
Alice: "Maybe I'm not going about this correctly?"
Queen: "For the love of-THE CHILDREN IN THE ORPHANAGE WHERE YOU WORK FOR BUMBY!!! THE CREEPY MAN WHO'S STRANGELY ALL ABOUT FORGETTING IMPORTANT THINGS?!!?"
Alice: "Look if you're not going to help.."
Queen: "Bloody Hell, I was better off blown to chunks!"
DeathofInk 😂😂😂
🤦♀️🤣🤣🤣 yup. Alice in this game in a nutshell.
Takes her long enough as she was brainwashed bad by that creepy Dr. Lol
The Cheshire Cat is supposed to represent Alice's id : the inaccessible part of one's psyche, which contains one's primary instincts. This theory makes sense for several reasons : if the Cat is Alice's id, he is the embodiment of her desire to escape insanity, and possibly of her desire to finally be able to live a normal life : that would explain why the Cheshire Cat acts as an ally of Alice. Furthermore, Alice's Wonderland avatar is meant to be her ego, the
Oh my gods, I just realized Lizzie's throne is a human heart!
Draco wolf oh god me too!
Draco wolf if you talk about The Queen. She is not Lizzie. She is in a form of Younger Alice.
umara321 oh really I thought it was just her sister so cause her condition.
warren byrne I think the Queen is Alice's insanity.
umara321 true,so If she killed her...
I love that it's the Queen of Hearts here who is actually calling Alice out, her former worst enemy, you know you've fucked up when it's your worst enemy who is the one calling you out
It must be my favorite part. The Queen is so... Fascinating.
Indeed and vice versa
I love her voice at that quote!
Even with the knowledge of what she's done and how creepy she is, am I the only one who finds Alice talking with a little version of herself adorable?
The juxtapositions the Queen embodies are very complex and wonderful. In the first game, she represented Alice's antagonistic half in the form of a usurper. The wonder of this is, that where Alice is the architect of Wonderland (the mind), she lost control of it to the Queen whose insignia represents not a fictional land, but life -- that is, real life in the crudest sense: so long as the heart beats, there is no need for the conscious mind, and it is precisely why the Queen wants to seize control after Alice loses control of herself and Wonderland. The Queen knows that she cannot kill Alice, and neither can Alice destroy the Queen without destroying herself, so she of course plans to apprehend her, therefore granting herself full authority over Wonderland. For all intents and purposes, the Queen represents the futile existence of a braindead victim.
But the heart is also the throne of Empathy. Alice's own psychological trauma "mitigates the failure to act earlier" in response to the evil preparations Bumby puts his minor patients through. It is precisely the Queen of Hearts that implores Alice that what her mind's view conceals is a tragedy, and that she is not looking at what is happening around her; for her eyes to open, her sense of Justice, born of Empathy whose seat is the heart, must be reawakened in order for her existence to mean something, or "we are all doomed."
i love the Red Queen's voice actress. kind of wish i could speak like her 💀
"You´d prefer the hot, stinking breath and unyielding attention of a potent, unreasoning, unfeeling, hell-raiser? I don´t think so."
that´s the problem summed up pretty well I´d say, straight to the point
*I love this game so much the aesthetic, earnests, the tone of the game, storyline it's so good.*
Anni Long voiced the Red Queen in both Alice games so why does she sound so different with each queen???
Well, the first game is 10 years older than Madness Returns. In 10 years, the voice actress's voice probably changed a bit.
No like her whole accent has changed in AMA she had a very deep posh voice and in AMR she sounds more high pitched and there's a certain twang to her voice I dunno it's just hard to believe it's the same Queen I guess that's what Alice meant by she was expecting someone else
Because it's not "same" Queen. Queen was always nothing more than representation of Alice's mind. The mind changes - so does it's reflection.
RKroft96 Because this version of the Queen is a reflection of Alice’s sister, same with the voice
No :) American McGee has confirmed that the Queen is younger Alice, like in the firts game! ( her super-ego) not a manifestation of Lizzie!
That must be quite a huge heart in there. I mean, the beats are practically thundering through the cavern.
This is my favorite cutscene in the game! I love her voice and design!
I loved how they took Alice and turned it super demented. I want another game in the similar. This style and the gameplay revolving around the other Disney villains. Sleeping beauty would be a good one
I think you forgot to realize that the Queen represented Alice's state of mind which in the first game it was her insanity and the second game it's her childhood (since she views the world as a child which is evident in the Vale of Tears and such) hence the Queen is Young Alice.
Authority must be obeyed, or it must be overthrown!
the fact her mouth moves unnaturally-
Ive played this game so many times, ive memorized pretty much every line from it XD
Alice: Otherlands will be next
Rev Engin hopefully, I can't get enough of anything regarding Alice
+aja drew Alice: Through The Looking Glass Movie is also coming out on May 2016
Rev Engin 😍😍😍 oh wow!
I appreciate your profile picture 💞
"I won't miss you're tentacles" this is by far my favorite line in the game
I really like her posh accent
did anyone else have a bit of a crush on the red queen? she is so intelligent, adorable, but spooky as well. How old is she? She sounds and looks like she is in her early 20's
her arms says a complete other thing
She's theoretically 19, as old as Alice is.
Her face (mask) is the child version of Alice. 10 or under.
@Cait
Ha ha, it's actually Lizzie.
Alice sister.
Alice was expecting it to be someone else?...Like who?! Look around at your surroundings Alice, who else do you know in Wonderland who would live in that type of environment except the Red Queen?
I got the feeling she was just being sarcastic/ironic when she said that.
In the first game the queen looked way different. The queen in Alice (2000) was about the same age as alice and here entire body was morbid flesh with her face in the mouth of another face who was in the mouth of another face.
dude are you like 13 ? geez
that 'queen' is in the form of her sister who died in the fire
the queen is in the form of a younger Alice
the queen looks young
cebruthius
She has lizzie's face, at least the one alice remembers.
I'm thinking she is a selfish kid!!!
cebruthius actually American confirmed its a younger Alice, I thought it was Lizzie too because in Infernal Train Alice calls her Lizzie. It would make more sense for her to be Alice because in AMA The Queen’s mouth opens to reveal the Hatter (the queen represents her whole mind aka the heart, the Hatter represents her fear of death) in the Hatter’s mouth reveals Alice therefore the queen is Alice :)
1:54 "I've watched enough hentai to know were this is going"
siren marell what?
Tentacle Hentai, Obviously.
There it is.
well.... 0:49
siren marell vore. Vore was where it went.
This video is 9 years ago and it came to my recommendation...
There's going to be a third game coming out soon
Alice: Otherlands
I'm really hoping the next Red Queen design will be even hotter than this. And not the Tim Burton's bubble headed red queen desing, or that hideous disfigured version from the first game.
+Rev Engin What? Really? Links?
+Strenif Strecs No trailers yet. Still under development
+Strenif Strecs Alice: Through The Looking Glass Movie is also coming out on May 2016
That's awesome. Who's making it?
The Queen takes important forms. In the first game she was everyone Alice had fought up to that point, all wrapped in a monster. In this game she's someone forgotten.
I nearly shit myself when the queen swallowed Alice!
I can never unsee that part XD
They're talking about the design of the Queen in the original game. They "screwed it up" as it isn't anything like what she originally looked like.
I love the Queen's voice to be honest.
Same
The queens outfit just looks so good no more words
The World was full of Madness my friend... Were living in Hell of Reality
Queen of Heart is Alice's Heart her inner emotion her guts to know the real truth about the tragedy of her family....💔
The Queen IS Alice! In this game, she is not actually Lizzie even though she is called that, she is "Young Alice". In the original game, do you remember, she states "If you destroy me, you destroy yourself!"
Also, after battling the Queen in the original, the Queen actually shifts into the appearance of Alice :)
This level was disturbing...the squishing of her footsteps...how the scenery turns to...gore...and then seeing the Queen and when she does that ... mouth thing...
They picked a good voice for the queen
I love the look of the queen, I live the insane cruel queen personality and look
(cont.) ..part of one's psyche whose purpose is to please the id's drives, which would explain why Alice takes advice from him. Also, the id is said to be an unconscious part of one's psyche; impossible to understand; which is a possible explanation as to why the Cat speaks in riddles. Moreover, if the Cat is really a reflection of Alice's id, he is the embodiment of all her raw instincts, which means he knows everything about Alice, and therefore all about Wonderland, explaining his omniscienc
The red queens castle is one of the best levels in this game.
Alice First time smiling in 0:28
Gaslighted victims relate to this game.
I love that you finally get to see the queens... Well human body. You only saw her face in the first game.
I don't see why people say Queenie is meant to be Lizzie. For one thing, Lizzie was 11 years older then Alice, so Alice wouldn't really have any real memories of Lizzie as a little girl (having not been born for most of Lizzie's childhood and being extremely young for the rest of it). All of Alice's memories would be of Lizzie as a teenager/young woman.
Someone stated that in the artbook it was an avatar of Lizzie-but apparently it states that her younger face is an avatar of younger Alice.
Body of her sister Lizzie face of her younger self.
You have to reach a certain age to truly see the details and metaphors of this wonderful game.
Just discovered this series but the sentence "there is no method in this madness" goes hard
Alice: oh shit, here we go again.
Sasha to NightMarcy: You've once rejected my attempts to control our lives, forcefully ! But now, you've allowed another to succeed in my role !
The queen looks a lot like Fran Bow :D
it's all the way around n.n
@MsxPrincessxBella
But she also says "You once rejected my attempts to control OUR lives"
It is a younger Alice.
And if it was Lizzie I'm sure Alice would have said "I was expecting someone else!" to her beloved dead sister, especially in the tone she used.
I love her and I love this game!
For those who don't know, American McGee has confirmed that the Queen is (younger) Alice, like in the first game! ( her super-ego) not a manifestation of Lizzie!
Ugh, those nasty squishing noises.
I know right that happens all the way through the last boss in the first game and i'm like ewwwwwwwwwwwwww
It's just so stomach churning!
what is probably where they got the sound effects
The whole level, mate
@zonilo1
Also it makes sense that she's the one who points the suspect to Bumby as if Alice actually knew it was him all along (and Alice probably knew what Bumby was doing to those kids) but Alice was in denial and the Queen is basically Alice's consciousness.
1:59-2:10 I dont Know why But i Love that Head turn Red queen Does after Telling alice The truth That you Claim to See eludes You because You won't look At what's Around you
I love the Queen's voice.. but I think it would of been creepier if her voice had the pitch and tone of a little girl. It would match her face a little more in my opinion. Nevertheless, the game and everything in it is so twisted, I love it.
This game wasn't meant to be scary it was meant to be darkly bueatiful.
"I don't think so!" I love how she says that XD
For those who say that the sequel was unnecessary, I know of two things that may make it more necessary for the saga :
-The Queen and the Hatter always say that Alice is runing away from the truth. But what truth is she running from ? I mean, she already feels guilty like they want her too, so it can't be that truth;
-Most people have got problems with the fact Alice reverted back to her insane state before the first game, right ? Well, I can actually give you reason on that one, but that's why I've got a fan-fic in which Alice was taken in by Bumbi in return of her help in dealing with her patients, because thanks to her trauma and the damage it caused, she has got a better insight on how to deal with the children. This way, she could keep being the healed and once again happy girl that got out of Rutledge Asylum. However, after being around the doctor for some time, her repressed memories start to resurface vaguely in her dreams, and Bumbi, taking advantage of that mental state that weakens her mind, goes to her room every night and hypnotises her, as he wishes to make a prostitute out of her. This way, she can still have these mental issues she acquired on the second game, but still retain the positive personality she acquired after the first game.
Red queen: I am a shadow the truth self
I play that game now and i have to state that is much better than the latest burton film adaptation.Its much darker of course and would not be axcepted for 13 but i waited to see something closer to that in the film.
For some reason, I love the Queen of Hearts voice in this cut scene xD I have no idea why..
still love how the queen's crown floats :D
Giant Alice: 😈 *rips tentacle off* queen: “AKK...ARRRG!”😩
The queen of hearts looks very cute......AND SCARY!!
The writing in this game is so overlooked. Its truly masterful
(cont.)...Additionally, at the end of the second game, he calls Wonderland "our Wonderland," implying he may hold some control or ownership.
(This is taken from the wiki)
I still believe this game’s voice acting could have been better.
okay, face of a 10 year old, hands of a 100 year old, a voice that would make Rebecca Black cry, and a mouth that could actually swallow me if it was played in 3D...
I love this game.
Alice looks hot and the red queen has a cute face
I like how Alice isn't scared of anything she sees in wonderland in the whole game lol
Miyuki - That's because it's her own mind. Almost the same as not COMPLETELY going insane or getting absolutely terrified by what happens in our dreams.
I would like to point out how creepy it is that her castle is made of actual organs and intestines.
The 2-D cut scenes were my favorite on this game. Though I would have enjoyed a more challenging struggle to go with my fulfilling story. It is a shame the third one will never rise. I know of the petition but EA doesn't see a profit out of this series. McGee should go the route of Suda51 and release the game on his own. Appeal to his fan base and who knows, a third installment just might pull in a larger audience via word of mouth.
Holy shit! This might sound pathetic to people who can handle this game, but I won't be playing this for a long time
Queen current face look like Alice or younger version
So creepy but so cool amiright
The fact that this is Alice in wonderland in a scary theme makes me feel shakend up, they could have had a horror film of this
what a sadly underused yet masterfully featured character
Nowhere in the artbook says the Queen is Lizzie, reread the artbook carefully again.
The Red Queen has the Fallout Master thing going...
UCSPanther20 I never noticed that! Nice observation!