Your ship breakdowns have become my one of my go to's for comfort viewing. They feel a bit like having a chat with an old mate about seriously geeky stuff you know that nobody else would get 😂
It's also just a beautiful design. I love the way Cardassian deflectors look. Does a giant gemstone make sense as a deflector? No. Do I care? Not at all.
I rather prefer the Ghemor-class Flight Deck Carrier... it feels like real successor to Keldon... as if tailored for very messy business. You see, there I was, taking care of my negotiation business on a Federation outpost near the Cardassian border. Then this one Human doctor with vivid imagination accused me of being a spy! A Talshiar no less! Called me a pointy-ear at one time, Federation inclusion at its finest if you ask me. Do not get me wrong and pardon my old bones but that situation made me laugh. But then he claimed to recognize me from some far away Nebulae and it started a very sorry mess. If it was not for my friendly Cardassian friends nearby, I would have feared for my life as this doctor was quite insistent, armed with his colorful wild accusations. It almost spoiled my business prospects that day ... and that would be such a shame. Oh well, that day It turned out he was smuggling bio-memetic gel back in his younger days. Last I heard, he was out of his own health business shortly after. So you see, I tend to not mix into other peoples business, you never know who is watching with wild accusations to ruin your day.
I love these Cardassian ship pieces. I'm a DS9 guy and I've always wanted to know more about their ships but the show never really said much about them.
I always forget that Cardassian Keldon classes could fit Cloaking devices. Like sure they might be lower tech then the big 3 but even if they got cut off from Romulan devices, they likely could get their hands on some klingon devices to retro fit and reverse engineer them. The Keldon actually could work the way the show talked about the Galor in that it could drop cloak and fire is spiral wave guns at point blank. And that actually would do damage. You know the Order likely has Caches of these things all over the place with the cloak gear. Knowing them there is no way they sent them all to the raid on the founders.
By 2410 the Keldon have been mostly retired, replaced with a suite of vessels designed from the ground up to be on par with modern competitors. Part of that being the integration of their own Cardassian designed and built cloaking devices, and expanded and improved intelligence and reconnaissance functionality. They were instrumental in coordinating alliance forces against the Hurq, and in combating the founders attempts to subvert and mask their involvement. The Damar class dreadnought was the more direct successor to the Keldon, but was significantly larger, more heavily armed, and equipped with top-of the line sensor suites and scientific facilities. Whilst designed to be capable of long-term surveillance and deep-space assignments, these vessels were not expected to work alone however, but to coordinate with the flight deck carriers, escorts and frigates that were designed alongside it, a whole new replacement fleet to act as a shining example of a New Cardassia, free from the insidious control of the Obsidian Order, where secrets were not hoarded, but shared.
Every tim i watch one of your ship videos with explanations and all i have a sudden urge to play Star Trek Birth of Federation. I played so much that one as a kid, anybody else remembers that game ?
I wonder if Eagle Moss has a model of this beast, it looks cool enough I want one for my shelf. That said, it's nice to see that, at least in-universe, the Cardassians are finally trying to catch up on technology compared to their neighbors, it's about time they look security seriously.
"Frequent viewers might be able to see the benefit of it already." Sure, because Star Trek's warp drive ideas have never been consistent even within the same series.
Cardassia was my favorite Star Trek civilization, but man do I think they have some lame looking ships personally. The Keldon does look a bit better than the Galor though. The addition of the top section helps make the parts of the ship that stick out on the front and back not look so janky.
The shape of this Cardassian ship reminds me of something I've wondered about recently . Why are there no Starfleet ships with multiple saucer sections ? The Cardassians manage to build ships with multiple semi-saucers after all .
It still feels weird to me that the round end is the front. I only remembered ever seeing them stationary before your videos, so I assumed the split tail was the front, with the bridge in the rear overlooking the entire ship. Feels like a dagger pointed at the enemy, with everything aggressively pointing forward, which feels very in line with the Cardassian approach to foreign cultures. It would also play into the imagery, orienting their vessel so whoever they're facing is effectively "beneath" the figure, staring "down" at them from the bridge. Instead its round head and backwards-facing "fins" make it look like a dugong...
Thank you for presenting this series on the Dominion ships. It was quite helpful for me in my Dominion War game project. One ship is missing, however. I was hoping you would do a video on the Hideki class. The Hideki is a bit confusing because sometimes it is depicted as a shuttle or runabout type vessel and other times as a type of fighter according to some sources. I figured you will get around to making a video on this class eventually, but I hope it will be soon. Thanks in advance.
i really like mild-kitbash ships. as like the lakota-excelsior modular Nebula modular Miranda and such you can somehow see the small but effective engineering progression
Comparing the Keldon's variable warp geometry to the Intrepid makes a lot of sense to me, as the Keldon would presumably have been made with the Badlands in mind, and where did Starfleet send the USS Voyager? well, to the Badlands, where speed and the ability to adjust your warp bubble seem to be very useful
Thanks for making consistently Amazing content! In the chaos of my life, i'm able to dip into these for a good pull away from my troubles, and into the Star Trek Universe I love! I wonder at the consistency of life that you must have, in order to, year by year, pull off such a thing! I'm glad you have it, whatever it must look like. I wish I had the ability to produce any content, let alone, always having such a high bar of fascinating tidbits about the lore! The Ability to go do all the research, and present it well in with a chipper attitude, and not let whatever life dishes out to you, get in the way! Sincerely, Thanks! and Well Done! If I could recommend you for a promotion, I would! 🖖
@Nom_AnorVSJedi said it days before I got to this video: Hutet class please! I had no idea the Keldon was sub 400 meters, it always seemed like a much larger ship, in my limited experience of course.
I k ow you only do Canon designs, but it'd be amazing if you did the Hutet from Dominion Wars. We have the Achilles class from the same game in STO now. It'd be GREAT if they put that behemoth into STO. XD
The Cardassian Military was infamous for using Duridium shadows to manipulate enemy sensors into thinking the shadow was the Cardassian Ship. This tactic was frequently used in the Cardassian/Federation and Cardassian/Klingon wars. The Holographic Technology mentioned in this vid from STO would be a superior version of this tactic unique to the Keldon due to the advanced systems in its design compared to the rest of the Cardassian Fleet.
Do you have a breakdown of the Damar class or if you don't would you be able to do a breakdown of the Damar class from Star Trek online and then perhaps create a narrative on the journey from the Galore to the Damar post Dominion War I think that would be fun
5:05 5 meters per deck , seems a tad excessive in scale . 5:13 a ship that size should only be 900,000 metric tons even with thicker armour ( which would need to be at lest 3 meters thick for 2.23M mt.
Iirc there's a piece of information from somewhere stating that Cardassians are apparently accepting of engineering standards within 20% of Starfleet minimums... Yeah, no wonder they got rolled by the Klingons.
Watching DS9, I was under the impression that the Keldon was the upgraded replacement for the Galor, but that they were for military use only, and that they were in no way intended for use by the Obsidian Order, as they were forbidden to possess military equipment. The Order got their hands on some anyway, being the little shits that they are, for that endaevour with the Tal Shiar. Where do we learn that this thing was purpose built (you'd assume by the Central Command) for use by/with the Order?
We know the Keldon Class existed since the late 2360s and was introduced as a heavier ship than the already quite effective Galor Type III. We can infer the Order built theirs from scratch because there are shipyards in the Orias System and because they have better systems. Gul Dukat said the Obsidian Keldons were much faster than *any Keldon he'd seen.* This tells us that the Keldon Class was already in service with the military despite the viewers never have seen them. Considering the Obsidian Keldons were able to chase down the Defiant at Impulse, and was quickly gaining on the Defiant as they chased them, we can infer that the Obsidian Keldons had a top speed of either 9.6+, or 9.8+ depending on what one believes the max speed of the Defiant is. This suggests that the Obsidian Keldons were all a step-up from the regular Keldons in military service, as well as having cloaking devices.
Do the warp coils being in thick chunky wings instead of being delicate nacelles exposed on pylons give any disadvantages? Is that why Cardassian ships can't reach as high a warp factor as Starfleet, or is that down to other factors like less advanced technology? Because if it's just a cultural quirk without a performance hit, then it's a better basic design paradigm from the perspective of the warp drive systems not being as vulnerable.
From a military perspective the Cardassians are smart to protect their nacelles. Also, Cardassian ships were not that slow. They may not have been as fast as the latest Starfleet ships in 2370, but they were capable of Warp 9.3+. The limitations are likely their warp cores being not as powerful. But, the Obsidian Keldons, that are later made standard once the Central Command took over Orias following the fall of the Order, had better warp cores. These Obsidian Keldons were faster than the Defiant.
Your ship breakdowns have become my one of my go to's for comfort viewing. They feel a bit like having a chat with an old mate about seriously geeky stuff you know that nobody else would get 😂
Bro I totally feel this
"Think of it as the Warp equivalent of a 4-wheel drive."
Most relatable thing said in these Ship breakdowns! lol
The Damar Intel Dreadnought is most definitely *proper* nice. The ship is a beast.
It's also just a beautiful design. I love the way Cardassian deflectors look. Does a giant gemstone make sense as a deflector? No. Do I care? Not at all.
I rather prefer the Ghemor-class Flight Deck Carrier... it feels like real successor to Keldon... as if tailored for very messy business.
You see, there I was, taking care of my negotiation business on a Federation outpost near the Cardassian border. Then this one Human doctor with vivid imagination accused me of being a spy! A Talshiar no less! Called me a pointy-ear at one time, Federation inclusion at its finest if you ask me. Do not get me wrong and pardon my old bones but that situation made me laugh. But then he claimed to recognize me from some far away Nebulae and it started a very sorry mess. If it was not for my friendly Cardassian friends nearby, I would have feared for my life as this doctor was quite insistent, armed with his colorful wild accusations. It almost spoiled my business prospects that day ... and that would be such a shame. Oh well, that day It turned out he was smuggling bio-memetic gel back in his younger days. Last I heard, he was out of his own health business shortly after. So you see, I tend to not mix into other peoples business, you never know who is watching with wild accusations to ruin your day.
Keeping up with the Cardiassians.... Yes I like this..
Dukat said the Keldon used by the Order during the attack on the Dominion Homeworld, were faster than any Keldon class he had ever seen.
I love these Cardassian ship pieces. I'm a DS9 guy and I've always wanted to know more about their ships but the show never really said much about them.
Ah, the old "Galor with a backpack"
YES!! finally...someone doing an in-depth look into the Keldon Class. Was waiting for this to land since you mentioned it in your Galor Class video. 🙂
I’m appreciating these kind of dives into the ships.
You spelt "civilian transport" incorrectly....
To what do we owe the honor of an agent of the Obsidian Order being here?
ho cares 😂
@MerculiachSyn 😂
You mean, "spelled"?
@@joeywall4657that's what I was thinking.
Haha "emblematic vessel" I see what you did there. Great adjective for the Galor.
4:52 Spinning is also a neat trick.
FOR CARDASSIA!!!!!!!
Plasma conduits on Decks 6 and 12 have blown!
I love the cardassian designs
I always forget that Cardassian Keldon classes could fit Cloaking devices. Like sure they might be lower tech then the big 3 but even if they got cut off from Romulan devices, they likely could get their hands on some klingon devices to retro fit and reverse engineer them. The Keldon actually could work the way the show talked about the Galor in that it could drop cloak and fire is spiral wave guns at point blank. And that actually would do damage. You know the Order likely has Caches of these things all over the place with the cloak gear. Knowing them there is no way they sent them all to the raid on the founders.
By 2410 the Keldon have been mostly retired, replaced with a suite of vessels designed from the ground up to be on par with modern competitors. Part of that being the integration of their own Cardassian designed and built cloaking devices, and expanded and improved intelligence and reconnaissance functionality. They were instrumental in coordinating alliance forces against the Hurq, and in combating the founders attempts to subvert and mask their involvement. The Damar class dreadnought was the more direct successor to the Keldon, but was significantly larger, more heavily armed, and equipped with top-of the line sensor suites and scientific facilities. Whilst designed to be capable of long-term surveillance and deep-space assignments, these vessels were not expected to work alone however, but to coordinate with the flight deck carriers, escorts and frigates that were designed alongside it, a whole new replacement fleet to act as a shining example of a New Cardassia, free from the insidious control of the Obsidian Order, where secrets were not hoarded, but shared.
Every tim i watch one of your ship videos with explanations and all i have a sudden urge to play Star Trek Birth of Federation. I played so much that one as a kid, anybody else remembers that game ?
I loved this ship in Armada 2
I wonder if Eagle Moss has a model of this beast, it looks cool enough I want one for my shelf.
That said, it's nice to see that, at least in-universe, the Cardassians are finally trying to catch up on technology compared to their neighbors, it's about time they look security seriously.
They did put some out but they are not that common.
"Frequent viewers might be able to see the benefit of it already."
Sure, because Star Trek's warp drive ideas have never been consistent even within the same series.
Cardassia was my favorite Star Trek civilization, but man do I think they have some lame looking ships personally.
The Keldon does look a bit better than the Galor though. The addition of the top section helps make the parts of the ship that stick out on the front and back not look so janky.
The shape of this Cardassian ship reminds me of something I've wondered about recently . Why are there no Starfleet ships with multiple saucer sections ? The Cardassians manage to build ships with multiple semi-saucers after all .
The Keldon class is my favorite out of the Cardassian ships. And it just occurred to me that it might make a hell of a Lego set 😁
It still feels weird to me that the round end is the front. I only remembered ever seeing them stationary before your videos, so I assumed the split tail was the front, with the bridge in the rear overlooking the entire ship. Feels like a dagger pointed at the enemy, with everything aggressively pointing forward, which feels very in line with the Cardassian approach to foreign cultures. It would also play into the imagery, orienting their vessel so whoever they're facing is effectively "beneath" the figure, staring "down" at them from the bridge.
Instead its round head and backwards-facing "fins" make it look like a dugong...
Thank you for presenting this series on the Dominion ships. It was quite helpful for me in my Dominion War game project. One ship is missing, however. I was hoping you would do a video on the Hideki class. The Hideki is a bit confusing because sometimes it is depicted as a shuttle or runabout type vessel and other times as a type of fighter according to some sources. I figured you will get around to making a video on this class eventually, but I hope it will be soon. Thanks in advance.
I'll add it too the list!
STO design are nice (I personaly fly Detapa escort) but, for time after the war I always want to see Jem'hadar Bug Ship in Cardassian yellow :D
Please do the Hutet and Damar class too.
Considering his Klingon ships series, we’re very likely to see them in the near future.
i really like mild-kitbash ships.
as like the lakota-excelsior
modular Nebula
modular Miranda
and such
you can somehow see the small but effective engineering progression
Comparing the Keldon's variable warp geometry to the Intrepid makes a lot of sense to me, as the Keldon would presumably have been made with the Badlands in mind, and where did Starfleet send the USS Voyager? well, to the Badlands, where speed and the ability to adjust your warp bubble seem to be very useful
Thanks for making consistently Amazing content!
In the chaos of my life, i'm able to dip into these for a good pull away from my troubles, and into the Star Trek Universe I love! I wonder at the consistency of life that you must have, in order to, year by year, pull off such a thing! I'm glad you have it, whatever it must look like. I wish I had the ability to produce any content, let alone, always having such a high bar of fascinating tidbits about the lore! The Ability to go do all the research, and present it well in with a chipper attitude, and not let whatever life dishes out to you, get in the way!
Sincerely, Thanks! and Well Done! If I could recommend you for a promotion, I would! 🖖
It reminds me of a silverfish.
Keep these video's coming! 5:13 diffusion is with an s though.
I always love the cardassians ships design
Attention Bajoran viewers. Your noting of this notice has been noted.
Like Starfleet did with the Constitution Class Cardassians gave the Galor a make over
I really like this design! 🍻
Feel free to do videos on the STO Cardassian line up for ships! STO FTW 🙂
Let’s gooooo! I was waiting for this video.
I wish we saw more of the Keldon
Could really use a T6 Galor/Keldon (maybe Legendary version), that doesn't suck and is actually good to fly.
Right off the bat, the personel charriot for the Cardassian CIA?
@Nom_AnorVSJedi said it days before I got to this video: Hutet class please! I had no idea the Keldon was sub 400 meters, it always seemed like a much larger ship, in my limited experience of course.
It's a Galor with a cape.
One of my favourites
You have disclosed secrets of the empire youll be ceased, tried and your sentence is scheduled for tomorrow 😳😂
Hello Rick, this is all!
If Starfleet had built the Gallor class, the Keldon class would have been just _'a minor refit'_ of it.
I k ow you only do Canon designs, but it'd be amazing if you did the Hutet from Dominion Wars. We have the Achilles class from the same game in STO now. It'd be GREAT if they put that behemoth into STO. XD
beautiful!
4:57 - Sooo they stole Starfleet's Dreadnought Federation-class ability to hack enemy ship's CPU an create convincing ships?
The Cardassian Military was infamous for using Duridium shadows to manipulate enemy sensors into thinking the shadow was the Cardassian Ship. This tactic was frequently used in the Cardassian/Federation and Cardassian/Klingon wars.
The Holographic Technology mentioned in this vid from STO would be a superior version of this tactic unique to the Keldon due to the advanced systems in its design compared to the rest of the Cardassian Fleet.
Do you have a breakdown of the Damar class or if you don't would you be able to do a breakdown of the Damar class from Star Trek online and then perhaps create a narrative on the journey from the Galore to the Damar post Dominion War I think that would be fun
Ah the Keldon love ii
Please do some vids about the bioships too.
Like this upgrade but I am Galo Class fan
We need a Legendary Keldon in STO!
To this day, is there a _single_ statue of Gul Ric on Bajor!?
so it was crewed by obsidian order crew? was it still under the central command or did they manage the cyber warfare stuff
hi great ep
Cardassian ships look like fish.
5:05 5 meters per deck , seems a tad excessive in scale .
5:13 a ship that size should only be 900,000 metric tons even with thicker armour ( which would need to be at lest 3 meters thick for 2.23M mt.
I wonder how far behind the cardassians where in tech. They didn't have any unique tech.
Iirc there's a piece of information from somewhere stating that Cardassians are apparently accepting of engineering standards within 20% of Starfleet minimums...
Yeah, no wonder they got rolled by the Klingons.
Someone watched The Transformers: The Movie when they made those transition slides.
A "spy" ship larger than the Galor and to match the Galaxy.
Do Hybrid next
hybrid from the star trek bridge comander game
🖖
The Borg from Star Trek assimilate the K-Lon from the TV show The Orwell?
Watching DS9, I was under the impression that the Keldon was the upgraded replacement for the Galor, but that they were for military use only, and that they were in no way intended for use by the Obsidian Order, as they were forbidden to possess military equipment. The Order got their hands on some anyway, being the little shits that they are, for that endaevour with the Tal Shiar.
Where do we learn that this thing was purpose built (you'd assume by the Central Command) for use by/with the Order?
We know the Keldon Class existed since the late 2360s and was introduced as a heavier ship than the already quite effective Galor Type III. We can infer the Order built theirs from scratch because there are shipyards in the Orias System and because they have better systems. Gul Dukat said the Obsidian Keldons were much faster than *any Keldon he'd seen.* This tells us that the Keldon Class was already in service with the military despite the viewers never have seen them. Considering the Obsidian Keldons were able to chase down the Defiant at Impulse, and was quickly gaining on the Defiant as they chased them, we can infer that the Obsidian Keldons had a top speed of either 9.6+, or 9.8+ depending on what one believes the max speed of the Defiant is. This suggests that the Obsidian Keldons were all a step-up from the regular Keldons in military service, as well as having cloaking devices.
SPACE!!!
Wow,.I'm really early!
ah yes, the ship that for some reason got referenced in one of star wars's clone wars episodes
Which one? Which ship?
Do the warp coils being in thick chunky wings instead of being delicate nacelles exposed on pylons give any disadvantages?
Is that why Cardassian ships can't reach as high a warp factor as Starfleet, or is that down to other factors like less advanced technology?
Because if it's just a cultural quirk without a performance hit, then it's a better basic design paradigm from the perspective of the warp drive systems not being as vulnerable.
From a military perspective the Cardassians are smart to protect their nacelles. Also, Cardassian ships were not that slow. They may not have been as fast as the latest Starfleet ships in 2370, but they were capable of Warp 9.3+. The limitations are likely their warp cores being not as powerful. But, the Obsidian Keldons, that are later made standard once the Central Command took over Orias following the fall of the Order, had better warp cores. These Obsidian Keldons were faster than the Defiant.
What about the Tonga class
Gul Ric? Not Legate?
SCIENCE!!!
Better Gul Ric than Gul Able.
🙂👍
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Another cheap easy to produce ship
I don't like it. Sounds to much like Kelvin in this setting for my tastes.
Edit. Horizontal warp cores again.