The Negh'var is the first time the Klingon Empire really felt _united_ on the battlefield. The small Bird of Prey variants they had before were always more a swarm of individual skirmishers doing their own thing, and even the Vor'cha was """just""" a bigger gun for those in power, impressive as it was. But this is a proper command ship, which fulfills a distinctly different role than the rest of the fleet. To use effectively it requires cooperation and strategic coordination. And seeing that from the Klingons - who had mainly been held back by their infighting for individual goals - is a scary sight for whoever happened to be their enemy at the time.
I feel like Gowron is sort of doing a Meji revolution within the Empire. He's centralizing and standardizing the government and reforming the military into a cohesive and disciplined whole.
The Birds of Prey always reminded me of knives, small but fast and lethal up close. The Negh'Var seems like a Bat'leth, slow but brutal when it hits. It even kinda resembles The Sword of Kahless. The 4 disruptor cannons being the 4 main spikes and the middle spike that his Bat'leth had. When we see them use Bat'leths they strike people a lot with the center but its just a blade there, Kahless's has this massive spike instead.
I always loved how that design (seen once more on Voyager) really looks like two separate swords got shoved together, rather than being one sleek, modern, mass-produced thing like the one we usually see.
@@CaptainSovereign And after the Odyssey a small little ship called Avenger, which struck fear into the heart of the Empire. So much so that they felt to be forced to build a counter vessel.
Prometheus rocks up to the party already pre-drinking, chugs bloodwine then dives into the pool while the Sovereign class facepalms looking on, "He's not with us."
It makes a lot of sense-while also being heavily ironic-that this class' production was the baby of Changeling Martok. Fitting in that in terms of design language and mission profile it more closely resembles the Jem'Hadar battlecruiser than typical Klingon designs. Ironic because they saw the most action being turned _against_ the Dominion's forces.
I mean, that's Klingons for you. Adapt what your enemies have and use it against them. They did it to The Federation (The D7 has so much Crossfield blood in it, diagetically. Obviously the opposite is true IRL), they did it with the Romulans (The B'rel), and they just. Kept. Doing it. And it works.
A warrior's greatest strength is in the mind. Anyone can swing a blade or fire a gun. A warrior... one who engages in the *Art* of war... is always seeking the perfect answer to every problem. Elegance... insight... finesse... and the lethal stroke that judges the battle; Like the Samurai of Old Earth.
And with the Bird of Prey being analogous to the Jem'Hadar Attack Fighter aka Bugship. So the Dominion and Klingons basically had the same fleet structure - except the Klingons also had legacy D7's to take the Mirandas role of being destroyed in major battles.
@@kcdodgerI never really thought about the connection between the Federation Crossfield Class and the Klingon D7 but now that you mention it that’s a really fascinating idea. They do definitely have very similar shape profiles, and it makes sense that some inspiration would be drawn from the Starfleet vessel that singularly gave them the most trouble during the war: the Discovery. Also interesting to think about concepts behind a science vessel/testbed being adapted for a warship
Rick ends with "Glory to you..." and my eyes automatically went as wide open as they could and I said "...and your house" in the best Gowron voice I could muster 😆
I remember discovering this bad boy in Star Trek Armada. My older brother liked using the Ion Cannon from a few of them to blap down ships. I played the Federation and Romulans a lot more... and when he discovered what the Sovereign Class' special ability was, to basically reflect torpedo AND ion cannon shots in a PvP round we did was priceless. He fired off like six ion cannons at two of my Sovereigns. And then they ate them all in return fire, killing half his battleship line. Good times. It only ever worked once, though.
"It consisted of 24 decks..." Klingon Captain: Leutenant! Get down to Deck 35 and bring me a bottle of 2309 Blood Wine! Joking aside, i do really like the Negh'var design. It was the Klingon's main capital ship in the two (good) star trek RTS games that were released about 24 years ago. Shame the JaQ'Eng never made it into canon, then again, it was a kamikaze vessel with a subspace shockwave generator onboard so....
If I remember correctly I would use them to fire there main blast against opposing starbases and then pull back to regenerate shields. In just a few volleys like that you could take out Starbases without losing anything but shields.
We await the coming Legendary Negh'var. I just hope they give it a proper 25th Century design, instead of some retro thing like they did with the L-Akira.
Hopefully one with 5/3 or 6/2 weapons or even to really hammer home that the Negh'Var is a mighty ship 5/4, slap a hanger bay or two on there as well, with 5 engineering 5 tactical and 1 science for consoles. Give it a trait that effectively turns cannon rapid fire into beam overload overload, massively increase the single target damage. Would that maybe be overpowered? Maybe, as long as they keep it to 8 total weapons I couldn't see it doing much other than giving people another option for something to play as a bricky cannon ship. Now if they went to 9 main weapons that could cause some problems, but still fewer total weapon sources than some ships in game already.
I was very disappointed we never saw this ship again during the Dominion War. What the hell was the logic in shoving General Martok into a Bird of Prey
Well, they're more nimble, numerous, and subtle. You put your most important general on your biggest, flashiest ship, going to be an even bigger and more important target.
The Romulans' rejection of all AI means that every ship's system either has to be overbuilt, compensated with more workers, or involve an even more clever form of non-thinking automation. The Klingons are progressing linearly through Power. The Romulans are already the most technically advanced Alpha Quadrant power, but are having to backtrack over their own shortcomings; They're learning how to Miniaturize their advanced technology. Because they know, if they can't, the Federation's technical ingenuity is literally nipping at their heels. The Federation's gift of Problem Solving can leapfrog the Romulans the moment they settle down to try. The Romulans can't depend on simply having better ships anymore. Especially without Romulus and its greater infrastructure to support such grand projects.
Scale and industrial capacity. The Romulans set up their industry to produce ships against the other Alpha Quadrant powers under a central command. They could build big ships cheaper because they focused on only that. Realizing that a battleship only fleet is less flexible, the Romulans need a lighter class if ship. Klingons inversely have a decentralized production base with each house effectively producing its own fleet. Only by bringing that industrial capacity under the central power of the Empire as a whole could they produce ships on this scale, at scale.
@@Choalith_Ikanthe Are the Romulans more advanced? Like the Klingons, they simply gear all of their technology towards their military, and while their cloaking technology is certainly the most sophisticated, Federation technology is always just a little ahead. That said, the Romulans are happy to steal any technological advancement and they've never let the Federation get out far ahead.
@@gmradio2436 There's also the fact that Romulans build for psychological reasons above all. The D'Deridex is a big imposing ship meant to stun opponents into submission before shots are even fired. When the Dominion came, they realized that they needed something fast and powerful, a strike vessel, hence the Valdore. The Scimitar seems like an all purpose solution for threats like the Borg and the Dominion. A new level of effectiveness against overpowering threats and terror to those they would conquer.
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It would be hilarious if the KDF and Dominion got into a ship-building contest where the winning ship is dementedly huge and covered in so many weapons, you only need to fire once. Because they absolutely would do something like this is pushed.
We have seen that a Defiant-class can use its small size and agility to get in so close that it can't be targeted where it can keep firing away until the Negh'Var is destroyed or forced to retreat.
So a ship fulfilling a role it was designed for vs a ship fighting a threat it was not designed to fight. The Defiant class is one of the most hateful ship designs in starfleet meant to be a giant killer above even the survival of the crew. The Neg'var is designed to engage peer threats and starbases while supported by a fleet. This is a case of role and use not aligning.
I do believe that the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance version of the ship is vastly more massive than the Prime Universe. It seems to upscaled to Dominion Battleship sizes.
This is no different than a u.s. capital ship. The most powerful ships, in modern times carriers, can't really defend against all threats so it has a battlegroup escorting it to take out subs, planes, missiles, or other ships or small craft. The neghvar and it's powerful weapons would be protected by birds of prey
Extremely overkill and way better designed than the Universe Class for combat. The hull of the Universe class seems extremely vulnerable for anything that isn't the massive saucer, i see it as a purely exploration vessel or a flying space station kinda like the Galaxy class.
Sorry, this is NOT a battlecruiser! The definition of a Battlecruiser is a class of ship that outguns cruisers and due to less armor can outrun battleships. The Negh'Var is definitely a battleship!
I say no. It is not a Battleship. This is capable of keeping up with the escort and cruiser elements of a fleet. That would categorize it as a Fast Battleship. That is, if the armor thicker than the Vor'cha. If not, then it is a Battle Cruiser. Even if in TNG and DS-9 this is a Fast Battleship, it may be reclassified as a Battle Cruiser as time moves on. See HMS Hood. It is surprising that Klingons use human treaties from the 1900s til the 1950s for classification, unless that is a conceptual error in translation.
@@igncom1no the German battlecruisers still had less armor than a battleship. Just slightly thicker than the British. As where the British battlecruiser were fully penetrated. The German battlecruiser just stopped the shell. Which still started a fire in the powder magazine. The ship was only saved by a crewman smothering the fire.
And as if summoned via communicator, Rick comes through with the video I really wanted to see on Klingon Ships! Thank you, good sir!!! Your information, Admiral, is, as always, welcome and appreciated! 😆
Martok "They fight like Klingons!' Gowron "Then they can DIE like Klingons!" Spoken from the bridge of the IKS Negh'var Translated from the Battle of DS9 in Way of the Warrior.
This is why you never mess with a Klingon Engineer. One proud warrior of the Empire can be defeated in several ways. Two proud warriors of the Empire can too. A whole company of proud warriors of the Empire can even be tricked into their own demise. But give one Klingon Engineer infinite time and money and he will build you a ship that cannot be defeated by anyone.
I see the Fed fanboys are out in full force today. Funny yall keep bringing up the overrated "tough little ship" that almost got annihilated by a single shot from a Borg plasma beam, or the heavy cruiser that couldn't target lock a B'rel if its life depended on it unless/until the writers decided they needed it to. Fed ships are ALWAYS woefully underpowered until the story needs them to suddenly defeat foes that are indisputably superior in every way, then they get plot armor and plot aim. Strip away their plot contrivances and a single Negh'Var or even a K'tinga could take them on ANY two at a time and win, no contest. The Negh'var in particular would wipe the floor with the Defiant without its plot armor because the Negh'Var has actual armor, not just shields that Starfleet somehow magically finds a way to modulate through when the plot demands that, too. Well you can't modulate your way past a dozen layers of Duranium, and a Negh'var only has to pop Sisko's baby once with all that forward firepower and it instantly becomes a memorial plaque at Starfleet Academy. Just take away the plot armor and see how badly you want to be a Starfleet captain then.
This is probably the ship I've wanted In a decent size the most for my collection for years. But Diamond Select crapped out, Eaglemoss went under with Master Replicas losing the Star Trek license and it looks like Playmates new line died before it could get going. Well, gotta keep hope alive.
Just in time for the "Leg'var" coming out in STO later this year (hopefully). The Negh'warship is just the best looking ship in the Klingun Empire for me. :)
man i hope we are going to see them on screen again the klingon we have not seen them proberply i feel like sure one klingon once and a while like how are they in the 25 century
2:00 at this side angle seems to be the best angle to attack it as there don't seem to be many weapons deployed at this angle this style of warship has its heavy weapons aligned along the front lateral, much like a traditional land tank and is aligned to linear 2d thinking along 360 degrees and fighting. In space, everything is 3D thinking and 360 degrees (front/rear, left/right, top/bottom, left and right sides) and combinations thereof. One key flaw I see in all Starship designs is that they fail to take advantage of the Carrier and Fighter principles. By this, I mean that even Enterprise D could carry several armed shuttles (manned or unmanned) to be launched when they see they are suddenly outnumbered or outgunned by an enemy. In many episodes the Federation ship has its weapons knocked out in the fight and left defenseless and unarmed, but having a squadron of fighters supporting it in the fight should more than enough to defeat the enemy and cause them to retreat or be killed. So in this snapshot, those squares at the center top of the ship can be the hangar bays for storing and launching 18 fighters. And since there isn't really an up or down in space, they can have the identical thing under the ship as well for a total of 36 launch bays for shuttles and/or fighters.
How about an episode or 3 covering the Heavy Destroyers _STO_ gives out from the Lifetime Subscription? One Klingon, one Starfleet (Chimera, with Manticore variant), one Romulan, and maybe they have something for your Jemmy?
Much prefer this to the Vor'Cha. Could possibly do with fewer bits sticking out, although I'd like it if that detachable scout ship could have been some sort of updated bird-of-prey. :)
Slower than a battlecruiser, less maneuverable than a battlecruiser, tougher shields than a battlecruiser, more heavily armored than a battlecruiser. So in other words a battleship.
Would like to have seen the Negh'var battle large Dominion shps. The Daystrom Institute Technical Library suggests two Negh'var ships are roughly equal to one Dominion battle cruiser plus one Dominion battleship.
I love how the Klingons are a beta power and the federation is split down the middle by alpha and beta but it's always the strongest in the alpha quadrant or alpha quadrant that. One would almost forget the beta quadrant even exists given how invested the two beta quadrants powers are invested in the alpha quadrant that l rather than their own beta. Thank you for bringing up the beta powers
Love how it has Red-Green Navigation lights With Red on the port side and Green on the starboard side. Why does a Klingon use Earth based navigation lights and configuration?
I will do, but at the moment I'm pretty sure we are waiting on new story missions. I have the patrol footage to work though though so that's probably next up.
I wonder if paramount is actually dropping their streaming service. Will that mean no more star trek as we knew it? Will fans be able to make fan films without fear of lawsuits
I think I read somwhere they have another facility where they manufactured them . That secure base . In dd9 season 5 . ( forgot how to spell it ) . A small shipyard
Late to this party but when it comes to the Negh'Var, even in current STO it's an intimidating ship. Well, simply damage sponge to the experienced player at the very least but much like the first Goomba in Super Mario 1985, many unwary fall victim to this battleship. Then there's the massive DPS guys. It's a question of whether or not the Negh'Var ever gets off that lucky hit that one-shots the player.
The Neg'var really makes me think of U.S. naval . . fleets(?)/ divisions(?), I forget the term. Consisting on ONE very big, powerful but slow main ship, and a number of smaller, still powerful, but faster ships to provide support & cover as needed. (While the "big boy" walked up & just pulverized whatever it was facing.) The Neg'var is HUGE, powerful, slow as molasses, but if one shows up? You BETTER high tail it out of there! (or have a substantial force & good strategy to take it on.) If it shows up with support vessels? . . . . Run. Just run.
If you're thinking Cold War, it'd probably be Carrier Battle Groups or, more on point with the Negh'var, Surface Action Groups. If WW2, it'd probably be a Task Group or Task Unit.
werent the added bottom disruptor cannons bigger and more powerfull then the frontal one? at least thats what was in the show. They were siege weapons with biggest firepowed klingons mounted on ship till now.
How does their need for "honor" related to frontline combat and stuff translate to members of the crew? We always see like, the bridge officers and stuff when it comes to the klingons but how much honor is there in being the torpedo loader, or the ships doctor? I'd say like, how much honor is there in the ships cook and the cleaning crew, but obviously they're filthy places and eat their food raw so I doubt they even have those.
I don't remember the episode titles, but in DS9, when Martok returns to service (with Worf and Dax on-board) it seems implied that the ship's honor is the crew's honor. And, when VOY finds the Klingon ship in the Delta Quardrant, the Captain's honor sort of trickles down to the Crew's honor.
Now that you mention it, i don't think we do in DS9 but the class I think did show up in an episode of Voyager in the final season when a future Janeway goes back in time.
Meanwhile Starfleet makes over a dozen different ship types at a time... two dozen? No doubt the Klingons will still be using the Negh'Var for at least a century or more. It may even outlast the Excelsior.....
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The Negh'var is the first time the Klingon Empire really felt _united_ on the battlefield. The small Bird of Prey variants they had before were always more a swarm of individual skirmishers doing their own thing, and even the Vor'cha was """just""" a bigger gun for those in power, impressive as it was.
But this is a proper command ship, which fulfills a distinctly different role than the rest of the fleet. To use effectively it requires cooperation and strategic coordination. And seeing that from the Klingons - who had mainly been held back by their infighting for individual goals - is a scary sight for whoever happened to be their enemy at the time.
I feel like Gowron is sort of doing a Meji revolution within the Empire. He's centralizing and standardizing the government and reforming the military into a cohesive and disciplined whole.
The Negh'var has to be my second favourite of the Klingon vessels with the Bird of Prey taking the top level.
Bird of Prey, Vorcha and then Negh'var for me, the pincery front of the devault Vor'Cha just plain looks better than the round head of the Neghvar.
The Klingons always have the fun toys to play with.
"you have sided against us in battle! This we do not forgive or forget!"-Gowron
Edit: correction for sided not stood thanks to rodniegsm 👇
it's just not as good written down. The delivery is what makes that line great.
@@bipolarminddroppings all in the eyes
Wasn't that a changeling?
A year later: Forgiven and Forgotten.
Then again, The DS9 crew helping to Expose the Martok Changeling probably helped.
@@sulljoh1 the changeling was Martok
Loved seeing that the Klingons would adapt to the changes happening in the galaxy.
The Birds of Prey always reminded me of knives, small but fast and lethal up close.
The Negh'Var seems like a Bat'leth, slow but brutal when it hits. It even kinda resembles The Sword of Kahless. The 4 disruptor cannons being the 4 main spikes and the middle spike that his Bat'leth had. When we see them use Bat'leths they strike people a lot with the center but its just a blade there, Kahless's has this massive spike instead.
A very good point.
Then Vorcha class are like mek'leths.
I always loved how that design (seen once more on Voyager) really looks like two separate swords got shoved together, rather than being one sleek, modern, mass-produced thing like the one we usually see.
Starfleet: “Meet the Sovereign class! The pinnacle of Federation innovation and engineering.”
KFF: “Hold my Blood Wine…”
Then the odyssey come:
Hello there!
@@CaptainSovereign And after the Odyssey a small little ship called Avenger, which struck fear into the heart of the Empire. So much so that they felt to be forced to build a counter vessel.
And then came the Vo'Quv... and the Bortasque...
@@CaptainSovereign And everyone saw the most hideous Starfleet design ever churned out.
Prometheus rocks up to the party already pre-drinking, chugs bloodwine then dives into the pool while the Sovereign class facepalms looking on, "He's not with us."
It makes a lot of sense-while also being heavily ironic-that this class' production was the baby of Changeling Martok.
Fitting in that in terms of design language and mission profile it more closely resembles the Jem'Hadar battlecruiser than typical Klingon designs.
Ironic because they saw the most action being turned _against_ the Dominion's forces.
I mean, that's Klingons for you. Adapt what your enemies have and use it against them. They did it to The Federation (The D7 has so much Crossfield blood in it, diagetically. Obviously the opposite is true IRL), they did it with the Romulans (The B'rel), and they just. Kept. Doing it.
And it works.
A warrior's greatest strength is in the mind. Anyone can swing a blade or fire a gun. A warrior... one who engages in the *Art* of war... is always seeking the perfect answer to every problem. Elegance... insight... finesse... and the lethal stroke that judges the battle; Like the Samurai of Old Earth.
And with the Bird of Prey being analogous to the Jem'Hadar Attack Fighter aka Bugship.
So the Dominion and Klingons basically had the same fleet structure - except the Klingons also had legacy D7's to take the Mirandas role of being destroyed in major battles.
@@kcdodgerI never really thought about the connection between the Federation Crossfield Class and the Klingon D7 but now that you mention it that’s a really fascinating idea. They do definitely have very similar shape profiles, and it makes sense that some inspiration would be drawn from the Starfleet vessel that singularly gave them the most trouble during the war: the Discovery. Also interesting to think about concepts behind a science vessel/testbed being adapted for a warship
Rick ends with "Glory to you..." and my eyes automatically went as wide open as they could and I said "...and your house" in the best Gowron voice I could muster 😆
as is tradition
I remember discovering this bad boy in Star Trek Armada. My older brother liked using the Ion Cannon from a few of them to blap down ships. I played the Federation and Romulans a lot more... and when he discovered what the Sovereign Class' special ability was, to basically reflect torpedo AND ion cannon shots in a PvP round we did was priceless. He fired off like six ion cannons at two of my Sovereigns. And then they ate them all in return fire, killing half his battleship line. Good times. It only ever worked once, though.
"It consisted of 24 decks..."
Klingon Captain: Leutenant! Get down to Deck 35 and bring me a bottle of 2309 Blood Wine!
Joking aside, i do really like the Negh'var design. It was the Klingon's main capital ship in the two (good) star trek RTS games that were released about 24 years ago. Shame the JaQ'Eng never made it into canon, then again, it was a kamikaze vessel with a subspace shockwave generator onboard so....
These things slapped harder than a fly swatter on a bluebottle in Armada II. Hoo boy. Did love how Martok's was bigger for no apparent reason.
If I remember correctly I would use them to fire there main blast against opposing starbases and then pull back to regenerate shields. In just a few volleys like that you could take out Starbases without losing anything but shields.
This makes it clear we need a new Negh'var in STO; it's strange that such a powerful and iconic ship gets so little love.
We await the coming Legendary Negh'var. I just hope they give it a proper 25th Century design, instead of some retro thing like they did with the L-Akira.
Hopefully one with 5/3 or 6/2 weapons or even to really hammer home that the Negh'Var is a mighty ship 5/4, slap a hanger bay or two on there as well, with 5 engineering 5 tactical and 1 science for consoles. Give it a trait that effectively turns cannon rapid fire into beam overload overload, massively increase the single target damage.
Would that maybe be overpowered? Maybe, as long as they keep it to 8 total weapons I couldn't see it doing much other than giving people another option for something to play as a bricky cannon ship. Now if they went to 9 main weapons that could cause some problems, but still fewer total weapon sources than some ships in game already.
I been waiting for the negh var for a few years now, hopefully deca will add it now that their starting to branch out into other games ships.
I was very disappointed we never saw this ship again during the Dominion War. What the hell was the logic in shoving General Martok into a Bird of Prey
Well, they're more nimble, numerous, and subtle. You put your most important general on your biggest, flashiest ship, going to be an even bigger and more important target.
When the Klingons level up. Curious how they built bigger while the Romulans made a smaller Warbird (the Mogai).
The Romulans' rejection of all AI means that every ship's system either has to be overbuilt, compensated with more workers, or involve an even more clever form of non-thinking automation. The Klingons are progressing linearly through Power. The Romulans are already the most technically advanced Alpha Quadrant power, but are having to backtrack over their own shortcomings; They're learning how to Miniaturize their advanced technology. Because they know, if they can't, the Federation's technical ingenuity is literally nipping at their heels. The Federation's gift of Problem Solving can leapfrog the Romulans the moment they settle down to try. The Romulans can't depend on simply having better ships anymore. Especially without Romulus and its greater infrastructure to support such grand projects.
I don't know which time period you mean, but the Romulans can build Scimitars, and they aren't exactly small.
Scale and industrial capacity.
The Romulans set up their industry to produce ships against the other Alpha Quadrant powers under a central command. They could build big ships cheaper because they focused on only that. Realizing that a battleship only fleet is less flexible, the Romulans need a lighter class if ship.
Klingons inversely have a decentralized production base with each house effectively producing its own fleet. Only by bringing that industrial capacity under the central power of the Empire as a whole could they produce ships on this scale, at scale.
@@Choalith_Ikanthe Are the Romulans more advanced? Like the Klingons, they simply gear all of their technology towards their military, and while their cloaking technology is certainly the most sophisticated, Federation technology is always just a little ahead. That said, the Romulans are happy to steal any technological advancement and they've never let the Federation get out far ahead.
@@gmradio2436 There's also the fact that Romulans build for psychological reasons above all. The D'Deridex is a big imposing ship meant to stun opponents into submission before shots are even fired. When the Dominion came, they realized that they needed something fast and powerful, a strike vessel, hence the Valdore. The Scimitar seems like an all purpose solution for threats like the Borg and the Dominion. A new level of effectiveness against overpowering threats and terror to those they would conquer.
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You know, I realize it makes for a prettier looking ship on screen, but it really doesn’t make sense for the Klingons to have so many windows.
It would be hilarious if the KDF and Dominion got into a ship-building contest where the winning ship is dementedly huge and covered in so many weapons, you only need to fire once. Because they absolutely would do something like this is pushed.
We have seen that a Defiant-class can use its small size and agility to get in so close that it can't be targeted where it can keep firing away until the Negh'Var is destroyed or forced to retreat.
Wasn't that the mirror universe version of this ship?
@@igncom1 same thing seeing as the mirror universe stole the designs from the prime universe.
So a ship fulfilling a role it was designed for vs a ship fighting a threat it was not designed to fight.
The Defiant class is one of the most hateful ship designs in starfleet meant to be a giant killer above even the survival of the crew.
The Neg'var is designed to engage peer threats and starbases while supported by a fleet.
This is a case of role and use not aligning.
I do believe that the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance version of the ship is vastly more massive than the Prime Universe. It seems to upscaled to Dominion Battleship sizes.
This is no different than a u.s. capital ship. The most powerful ships, in modern times carriers, can't really defend against all threats so it has a battlegroup escorting it to take out subs, planes, missiles, or other ships or small craft. The neghvar and it's powerful weapons would be protected by birds of prey
Can't help but wonder what the Klingon's equivalent of the Universe class would end up looking like.
Extremely overkill and way better designed than the Universe Class for combat.
The hull of the Universe class seems extremely vulnerable for anything that isn't the massive saucer, i see it as a purely exploration vessel or a flying space station kinda like the Galaxy class.
I do find it funny they probably looked at the small Klingon blade and turned it into a ship design.
Given Klingon doctrine, I'd expect something really big what's loaded to the brim with various weapons, but if it's hit well, it explodes nicely.
"We do not forgive." o.o "Or forget." O.O
Sorry, this is NOT a battlecruiser!
The definition of a Battlecruiser is a class of ship that outguns cruisers and due to less armor can outrun battleships.
The Negh'Var is definitely a battleship!
I think the Germans had a different kind of battlecruiser to the British.
I say no. It is not a Battleship. This is capable of keeping up with the escort and cruiser elements of a fleet. That would categorize it as a Fast Battleship. That is, if the armor thicker than the Vor'cha. If not, then it is a Battle Cruiser. Even if in TNG and DS-9 this is a Fast Battleship, it may be reclassified as a Battle Cruiser as time moves on. See HMS Hood.
It is surprising that Klingons use human treaties from the 1900s til the 1950s for classification, unless that is a conceptual error in translation.
it's also make believe petaldrop
@@igncom1no the German battlecruisers still had less armor than a battleship. Just slightly thicker than the British. As where the British battlecruiser were fully penetrated. The German battlecruiser just stopped the shell. Which still started a fire in the powder magazine. The ship was only saved by a crewman smothering the fire.
Gandalf: "Enough! If I say the Negh'Var is a battlecruiser, then a battlecruiser it is!"
And as if summoned via communicator, Rick comes through with the video I really wanted to see on Klingon Ships! Thank you, good sir!!! Your information, Admiral, is, as always, welcome and appreciated! 😆
Glad you liked it, thank you!
@@CertifiablyIngame Absolutely, You're welcome! Always love your videos!! Ship breakdowns are my favorites though!
Ah… back when a theme mattered in ship design for a race. Glorious!
I love how red navigation light on the port side and green on starboard is a galactic standard. Maybe those rules came from the Progenitors.
WHAT A BEAST! ❤
The backup warp coils are GENIUS! 🤔
Martok "They fight like Klingons!'
Gowron "Then they can DIE like Klingons!"
Spoken from the bridge of the IKS Negh'var
Translated from the Battle of DS9 in Way of the Warrior.
This is why you never mess with a Klingon Engineer. One proud warrior of the Empire can be defeated in several ways. Two proud warriors of the Empire can too. A whole company of proud warriors of the Empire can even be tricked into their own demise. But give one Klingon Engineer infinite time and money and he will build you a ship that cannot be defeated by anyone.
Federation with the Defiant and Achilles class: Kowabunga it is.
Defiant class: hold my beer
Prometheus: bet
Sovereign class: so you have chosen …. Death.
It got oneshot by refitted Galaxy class...
I see the Fed fanboys are out in full force today.
Funny yall keep bringing up the overrated "tough little ship" that almost got annihilated by a single shot from a Borg plasma beam, or the heavy cruiser that couldn't target lock a B'rel if its life depended on it unless/until the writers decided they needed it to. Fed ships are ALWAYS woefully underpowered until the story needs them to suddenly defeat foes that are indisputably superior in every way, then they get plot armor and plot aim. Strip away their plot contrivances and a single Negh'Var or even a K'tinga could take them on ANY two at a time and win, no contest.
The Negh'var in particular would wipe the floor with the Defiant without its plot armor because the Negh'Var has actual armor, not just shields that Starfleet somehow magically finds a way to modulate through when the plot demands that, too. Well you can't modulate your way past a dozen layers of Duranium, and a Negh'var only has to pop Sisko's baby once with all that forward firepower and it instantly becomes a memorial plaque at Starfleet Academy.
Just take away the plot armor and see how badly you want to be a Starfleet captain then.
@@austinm5630 yes we are. The hero ships in the shows would, somehow, win. Apples to apples, the Federation would need to take it on 2-1 or 3-1.
someone ask STO when we're getting a Legendary version of this beast
"You have made us deploy a new class in battle! This we do not forgive, or forget..."- Gowron, probably.
This is probably the ship I've wanted In a decent size the most for my collection for years. But Diamond Select crapped out, Eaglemoss went under with Master Replicas losing the Star Trek license and it looks like Playmates new line died before it could get going.
Well, gotta keep hope alive.
Just in time for the "Leg'var" coming out in STO later this year (hopefully). The Negh'warship is just the best looking ship in the Klingun Empire for me. :)
...For some reason, it reminds me of the Asgardian O'Niell class from Stargate on hull layout.
Klingons are so good at combat engineering because of their warrior culture. This is known as the "Sapper Worf Hypothesis".
man i hope we are going to see them on screen again the klingon we have not seen them proberply i feel like sure one klingon once and a while like how are they in the 25 century
Great work thank you 👍🏽
2:00 at this side angle seems to be the best angle to attack it as there don't seem to be many weapons deployed at this angle
this style of warship has its heavy weapons aligned along the front lateral, much like a traditional land tank and is aligned to linear 2d thinking along 360 degrees and fighting.
In space, everything is 3D thinking and 360 degrees (front/rear, left/right, top/bottom, left and right sides) and combinations thereof.
One key flaw I see in all Starship designs is that they fail to take advantage of the Carrier and Fighter principles.
By this, I mean that even Enterprise D could carry several armed shuttles (manned or unmanned) to be launched when they see they are suddenly outnumbered or outgunned by an enemy.
In many episodes the Federation ship has its weapons knocked out in the fight and left defenseless and unarmed, but having a squadron of fighters supporting it in the fight should more than enough to defeat the enemy and cause them to retreat or be killed.
So in this snapshot, those squares at the center top of the ship can be the hangar bays for storing and launching 18 fighters.
And since there isn't really an up or down in space, they can have the identical thing under the ship as well for a total of 36 launch bays for shuttles and/or fighters.
That opening scene looked asgard.
How about an episode or 3 covering the Heavy Destroyers _STO_ gives out from the Lifetime Subscription? One Klingon, one Starfleet (Chimera, with Manticore variant), one Romulan, and maybe they have something for your Jemmy?
Much prefer this to the Vor'Cha. Could possibly do with fewer bits sticking out, although I'd like it if that detachable scout ship could have been some sort of updated bird-of-prey. :)
I love this class of Klingon ship.
Slower than a battlecruiser, less maneuverable than a battlecruiser, tougher shields than a battlecruiser, more heavily armored than a battlecruiser. So in other words a battleship.
I believe the Negh'var should be viewed less as a battleship and more as a fortress floating in space.
I just wish there was a version of this with a lance weapon... It just feels like it should have one
It looked badass when it showed in 'Way of the warrior'
Hold my phaser lance
“He said today is a great day to die” - Way of the Warrior
God I love Klingon ship design and theory
Thank you
Would like to have seen the Negh'var battle large Dominion shps. The Daystrom Institute Technical Library suggests two Negh'var ships are roughly equal to one Dominion battle cruiser plus one Dominion battleship.
I love how the Klingons are a beta power and the federation is split down the middle by alpha and beta but it's always the strongest in the alpha quadrant or alpha quadrant that. One would almost forget the beta quadrant even exists given how invested the two beta quadrants powers are invested in the alpha quadrant that l rather than their own beta. Thank you for bringing up the beta powers
Love how it has Red-Green Navigation lights
With Red on the port side and Green on the starboard side.
Why does a Klingon use Earth based navigation lights and configuration?
fav ships of KDF
Bird of prey / K'vort (whats not to love)
D7 variants K't'inga (hate the neck)
Vorcha (omg LOVE this ship)
Negh'var big fat ship
Right off the bat, Vorcha on steroids. Sounds like an powered up Mercenary unit from Mass effect 2-3.
hey Rick, hope you are well. toatlly not in context question, but, are you going to upload the new STO missions again? loved those.
let's hope Cryptic releases some new ones soon
they have, inc some retro ships and new missions.
I will do, but at the moment I'm pretty sure we are waiting on new story missions. I have the patrol footage to work though though so that's probably next up.
ah, no new story with the ships...
Just goes to show just how powerful the Future Enterprise-D's phaser lance actually was to punch 4 holes in one.
This ship needs two more things to make it perfect. More Weapons and Blood Wine cup holders for the crew after winning the battle.
Scary suggection, K'Tanco review hehe.
I wonder if paramount is actually dropping their streaming service. Will that mean no more star trek as we knew it? Will fans be able to make fan films without fear of lawsuits
Seems they're transferring Star Trek stuff to Netflix.
How does the Klingon Neg'var stack up against the Romulan Scimitar? Which is stronger?
This ship looks like it could separate in both the yacht section and front bridge section.
ST Armada’s most dangerous special weapon for the dreadnoughts.
I think I read somwhere they have another facility where they manufactured them .
That secure base . In dd9 season 5 . ( forgot how to spell it ) .
A small shipyard
I wonder if there are any videos about Klingon Engineers. Who are these Klingons that build the fleets? How are they seen in Klingon society?
Starfleet uses a hammer
The KDF uses a PILE DRIVER
o-o glory to you
O-O and your house
o-+ Martok
Can you do a video on Star Trek Voyager's ship mainly it's tricobalt weapons what are their main purpose and how are they compared with other weapons
Looks like an updated B-10 Battle cruiser
Late to this party but when it comes to the Negh'Var, even in current STO it's an intimidating ship. Well, simply damage sponge to the experienced player at the very least but much like the first Goomba in Super Mario 1985, many unwary fall victim to this battleship. Then there's the massive DPS guys. It's a question of whether or not the Negh'Var ever gets off that lucky hit that one-shots the player.
In the birth of the federation pc game these are planetary bombardment vessels and vorcha are the supreme cruiser class, sovereign class equivalent
Jem'Hadar battle cruiser vs The Negh'Var, who would win?
Still waiting for a Legendary Negh'Var for Star Trek Online.
No mention of the Giant Sized Mirror Universe Klingon-Cardassian Alliance version?
youve been rick.
Or was I?
It is glorious
The Neg'var really makes me think of U.S. naval . . fleets(?)/ divisions(?), I forget the term.
Consisting on ONE very big, powerful but slow main ship, and a number of smaller, still powerful, but faster ships to provide support & cover as needed.
(While the "big boy" walked up & just pulverized whatever it was facing.)
The Neg'var is HUGE, powerful, slow as molasses, but if one shows up? You BETTER high tail it out of there! (or have a substantial force & good strategy to take it on.)
If it shows up with support vessels? . . . . Run. Just run.
If you're thinking Cold War, it'd probably be Carrier Battle Groups or, more on point with the Negh'var, Surface Action Groups.
If WW2, it'd probably be a Task Group or Task Unit.
@@nekophht All I could remember was that America has ELEVEN of them.
But I THINK the term I was struggling with was "Carrier Group". So, THANKS!
I really like this ship but the Vor'Cha is still my favorite Klingon bird
werent the added bottom disruptor cannons bigger and more powerfull then the frontal one? at least thats what was in the show. They were siege weapons with biggest firepowed klingons mounted on ship till now.
Wait. When did you mention its appearance in the mirror universe? I didn’t hear that.
I thought those underwent cannons were external tanks.
I wonder about Regent Worfs massive Negh'var
It has fhe feel of a Kligon "Borg Killer" ship
How does their need for "honor" related to frontline combat and stuff translate to members of the crew? We always see like, the bridge officers and stuff when it comes to the klingons but how much honor is there in being the torpedo loader, or the ships doctor? I'd say like, how much honor is there in the ships cook and the cleaning crew, but obviously they're filthy places and eat their food raw so I doubt they even have those.
I don't remember the episode titles, but in DS9, when Martok returns to service (with Worf and Dax on-board) it seems implied that the ship's honor is the crew's honor. And, when VOY finds the Klingon ship in the Delta Quardrant, the Captain's honor sort of trickles down to the Crew's honor.
Did we ever really see these again after Way of the Warrior aside from the mirror universe episode?
Now that you mention it, i don't think we do in DS9 but the class I think did show up in an episode of Voyager in the final season when a future Janeway goes back in time.
Meanwhile Starfleet makes over a dozen different ship types at a time... two dozen?
No doubt the Klingons will still be using the Negh'Var for at least a century or more.
It may even outlast the Excelsior.....
I wish the bortasqu dreadnought cannon.
dont underestimate the defiant!
Definitely the most badass Klingon ship, until the Star Trek Online variants lol
Since you compared its size to the sovereign, does it have 24, 26 or 29 decks 🤔
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this is part of the reason the Federations Sovereign class didt go into huge battles against the Dominion, also later the Romulan De'Derirex class.
Please say that again. I couldn't understand your thoughts.
*MEV!*
The D'Deridex wants to know your location.
SPACE!!!
Please dont call the giga cannon "main forward disruptor". Its insulting.
Sorry, the "Main Problem Solver"
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Glory to the House of Kryp! Qapla'!
And it has red and green port/starboard lights - just like the seagoing vessels of Earth! 🤣