I forget which interview it was, but never go by size on the screen as the visual affect guy admitted they didn't care for scale as long as the shot looks good.
I like the idea of the Dominion operating around a principle of threes which each step being an escalation/more focused approach. First they send in the Vorta, then the Jem'Hadar and then the Founders. Same with their ships; first the fighter, then the cruiser and then the battleship.
Agreed, but I feel like the order might go Vorta, Founder, Jem'Hadar. The Vortas show up to play nice and try to win you over through diplomacy. The Founders replace key figures and begin sewing discord and subterfuge. If neither approach works, the Jem'Hadar drags what little survives into the Dominion. Bit of a dumb nitpick on my end but I was just remembering the "find the founder" pre-war stuff from the show. 100% agreed on the ships, though. I love the "We tried to be nice, now we gotta escalate" mentality.
@@Gigas0101 It depends on the situation. The Founders don't like to get involved unless they have to. It basically goes Diplomacy > Force > Subversion. One does not replace the other. They complement each other. Technically subversion is a logical second step but again, the Founders don't bother and Jem'Hadar are cheap.
@@Gigas0101 that's the route they take with the Federation, but what we hear from conquered/convinced worlds in the Gamma Quadrant it seems the Jem'hadar are just sent in if the Vorta fail in most cases. After all, many regarded the Founders as somewhat of a myth, and had no idea they were changelings/shapeshifters. The Federation seems to have been a pretty unique case, between their intel, connection with Odo, and wide geographic (spatial? stellar?) range compared to most Dominion-conquered worlds. Even with cases like Bajor, they first separated them from the rest of the Federation. Suggesting the Federation was too big to take on at once even for the Dominion's sizeable industrial base (remembering that the faction which caused trouble up until the end of season 7, was just whatever had managed to get through the wormhole before the start of season 6...)
Jem'Hadar Battlecruiser: *does stuff* Federation: Holy sh*t how are we supposed to beat that??? Jem'Hadar Battleship: lol that isn't even my final form!
To be fair, the Valiant was crewed entirely by cadets. The Defiant class was (likely?) intended to engage Borg cubes in packs, not engage them in 1v1 melees. I still enjoy your content, please keep it coming!
@@christopherboccuzzi8761 those Red Squad cadets are proof of the old Arleigh Burke quote: “the difference between a good officer and a bad one is about ten seconds.”
The Defiant or its class wasnt going to last against two Borg Cubes....Voyager only Messed up the Borg reputation, Picard ( Havent watch one episode) basically skully wagged the Borg Reputation...Guinan said herself when the Borg come for you, they come for you. Then everything became plot armore for the amin characters. 1 Cube at a time, when their should have been 100 just for the first strike.
That thing is a nightmare. I would only ever want to fight it with a cloaked ship. Sneak up and flank it. Though with it's escorts that too is a risky sounding proposition.
my own headcanon is that, since we only ever really saw these in Cardassian territory, the Dominion was already planning on betraying the Carassians and were building the Battleships to hold captured territory.
Makes sense, the female founder even says ‘we should had done this as soon as we got here’ (referring to the genocide of cardassia that they were about to undertake)
They were set up to lose even before the war. They were the closest major power to the wormhole with shipyards and bases to hold off a invasion. The Changelings used the Klingons to cripple their military and industrial capacity and drive them to the Dominion. Once the war was won the Dominion would have dismantled the Cardassian union and put the Vorta in control.
The Dominion probably had these in the Gamma Quadrant, but because they couldn't get them through the Wormhole, they had to build their own on site in the Alpha Quadrant from pre-existing designs. Like how they had to create shipyards for Attack fighters and a Alpha Quadrant cloning facility for Jem'Hadar soldiers (and Wayhouns). Having reinforcements being created in secure facilities in the Gamma Quadrant and sent through was no longer an option. As for the lack of long range sensors, they may have been seen as an unnecessary expense in the current situation by the Alpha branch of the Dominion caught in a War of Attrition. It's _always_ going to have an escort fleet, and be brought in to do the 'ground and pound'. The first ship encountered by the Valiant was being checked to see they'd copied the plans correctly. If the Dominion had not been forced back, their intent may have been to use this to sterilise Alpha Alliance planets to save the effort needed in occupying them, and as a terror weapon in that if you resist they'll bring this in and just glass your World. And as a 'scorched Earth' tactic when they are being driven out of enemy territory they've previously held. Although the Founder no doubt dreamed of using it for a literal scorched Earth one day. Starfleet really should have insisted on keeping one of them as 'spoils of war'. "It's for our fleet museum, why would we reverse engineer it? We could just pump out a battlegroup of Defiants for the equivalent resources and crew, with a lot more firepower." ["Did they buy that excuse?].
"This vessel would suck at pretty much any other role [than combat-oriented monstrosity]" - well, good thing for the Dominion that they don't need it to do anything else!
This reminds me of the Yamamoto class from WWII... Insanely destructive with huge guns but realtively slow, uncomprimising and vulnerable to swarm tactics from agile opponents. It requires escort ships to make up for its weaknesses.
The Dominion knows how to build a battleship. Although, I kinda feel like this ship should be classified as a super-heavy-battleship simply because it's so big and slow.
Not to be confused with the Battle cruiser. Calls it the BC at least twice within 5 minutes. :) All good Rick. So easily done. My head Canon would say the Battleship is the smaller scale and the Dread is the monstrously huge planetary defence size. In the same vein as Klingon K'Vort looking exactly like their smaller cousins.
I'm a little late but awesome new video Rick. By the way a side note. The only actual member of the Valiant when they attacked that Battleship was Dorian Collins. Every other crew member was killed. Of course naturally Nog and Jake escaped with Dorian. Tim Watters was very foolish to think his small ship could take out such a huge powerhouse of a ship like that. The Valiant was out numbered like what 10-1 with just weaponry alone? I think the battleship knew the Valiant was there all along, detected the sensor probe, hacked it and fed it false information for that "weakness" that the Valiant crew thought they discovered.
I always interpreted the XL Dreadnoughts over Cardassia as a separate, even larger ship class which just happens to look like the regular battleship. Maybe the Dominion simply took the Battleship design and scaled it up by a factor of 5. They might have been intended as orbital genocide platform from the start but were also pretty useful as capital ships for a last stand.
Would be interested to see how this ship squares up to a Sovereign Class. Sure it can bully a Defiant but the Enterprise E is a completely different Beast.
There were Jem'Hadar that were bred specifically for the Alpha Quadrant, following that logic it would make sense that this arena containing far more super powers than the Gamma Quadrant, would have area-specific ship designs as well.
*The reason visual scale is so inaccurate in Star Trek* is because the documentary makers and journalists/historians have to use extreme zoom on their cameras _to get the shots safely._ They position themselves years later so they can record what _had_ happened. But when you're filming something light years away, there's going to occasionally be some distortion in correcting for foreground objects.
I remember a fleet of these ships guarding Cardassia Prime during the final battle of the Dominion War. I have no idea how the Federation Alliance thought they could defeat them.
I've got a model of the Advanced version of these on my desk, was expensive and the company that made it sucks. its a nice model, but they forgot to ship it for MONTHS until i reminded them. i still love the design of both of these.
Considering the short range of it sensor capabilities, I wonder if it would be possible to utilize a strategy based on 'death of of a thousand photon torpedoes fired just out of sensor range', especially if you can somehow take out or otherwise occupy the escort fleet.
One of my Favorite Dominion ship with the dominion battlecruiser (having the last one in Star trek online). I must admit that I really sthink the dominion battleship looks like a star destroyer from star wars.
There is beta lore that the Scimitar is built on the unfinished hull of one of these, that was captured by Romulan /Reman troops at a ship yard following the battle of Cardassia. I rather like this bit of non canon lore
You could say that. Pretty fair assessment. That said the Technologies are very different. Hyperdrives seem faster than Warp, atleast until Warp 9.2 and beyond was reached. But Star Trek Shields seem fat superior, yet phasers and disruptors can be argued if they are more or less powerful than Turbolasers. So interesting indeed!
@@matthewcaskey1051 100% agree the tech is different, in some cases not even comparable. However, what I meant was the spirit, or purpose, or mission for which the vassal was designed and created are comparable. This battle ship and the ISD are symbols of raw military power and intimidation, designed to crush all resistance, and provide significant & concentrated firepower to the battle space. They are command ships and a heavy combatants. They carry invasion forces and fighter craft. Therefore, this ship fills the same form and function as the Star Destroyers from the Star Wars universe to the degree that no other ship in Star Trek does or even comes close to.
My own personal head canon is that jem hadar battleships also serve as mobile bases and contain a small drydock inside them for the construction of jem hadar battle bugs. The battleships purpose is to serve as a type of beach head in a captured territory and begin ship building asap.
Another lovely ship from the Dominion! Makes up for the fighter and then some! The task force that came through the wormhole was only really intended to be a vanguard. That is why they faced such problems after the wormhole was closed to them. Who knows how many of these behemoths were waiting in their own part of the galaxy. Perhaps thousands... This scale of capital ship is more like something you would see in Wars, not Trek. It would therefore require the same type of highly automated and highly organised social structure to supply and support it. Likely the Dominion had exactly that and the Vorta are probably far more efficient organisers and administrators than the Galactic Senate ever was. In fact I wonder if the Borg tangled with them and then decided to put conquest of the the Founders onto the back burner until other, less troublesome civilisations were assimilated? It could well be as with other cultures that contact with the Borg led to the evolution of an immensely powerful generation of ships to counter them, even if they were held only as paper battleships until they were specifically required.
Somewhat low tech, highly redundant, and extremely heavily armed. That sounds like a stored ship designed not to fight not the federation, but something more deadly.
I have an alternate take: I like to think of these ships as ancient siege ships that prowl Dominion space. They are old and venerable and meant to hold territory. Cruisers and Attack ships are intended to take the systems. The Batttleship is intended to hold it. The wormhole mine delayed the Dominion from moving these ships into the Alpha Quandrant thus forcing the Dominion to construct their siege ships to allow them to follow through with their strategy. This is why it doesn't seem like they tested it. Its been tested and they work. Just my thoughts.
It would have been interesting to pit this against the NeghVar. DITL suggests rough parity between the battleship + battlecruiser vs 2 Negh'Var class ships.
They built 27 during the war huh 😮🤔 Considering how enormous the ship is, these were flying out of dock. And the other 700+ other ships built at the same time. 😅 Such efficiency! 😄
My head cannon on the wild scale differences are they built some regular size but they built some WUMBO size for more stationary command roles or as flagships for important individuals. Maybe they made like 3 of them 3x larger for carrying around the female changling? Maybe they made them in varying sizes but they're all the same floorplan just scaled up? Maybe a few Founders liked taking LARGE physical forms and wanted LARGE ships to match?
NGL the Dominion is that Esoteric if not Dangerous, Especially being the galactic Power of the Gamma Quadrant for who knows how long the Federation or The Klingons or other known Factions known them.
Theory; the different design languages between the Attack Fighters and the Dominion Capital Ships is similar to the different design languages between the Defiant and Saber classes, and the standard Primary and Secondary hulls with nacelles on pylons that Starfleet uses. If looking in the Gamma Quadrant, it may well be that all their larger ships use a similar paradigm. Prehaps the Bugship was even based on a original ship from the time before the Founders co-opted and modified the Jem'Hadar? The different layouts are from different species?
You say the Defiant was designed to take a hammering by a Borg cube, but wasn't the design spec to send 6-12 of them at once? Or sprinkle them in with a wider fleet, as we saw in _First Contact?_ It's not _that_ surprising that a single one, which had been needing a resupply for months, would struggle on its own.
Since when Defiant had similar power to Galaxy? when it barely draw even vs a excelsior refit USS Lakota (both werent using torps). This statement would make any reason as that would mean that Excelsior class after refit was as powerfull as Lakota. Also Defiant got down fast after few short hits from a cube... It didnt tank much. But other parts do seem OK :)
The Defiant’s power level vs other ships is wildly inconsistent across the length of the show. (Though the Lakota had been retrofitted to be much stronger than an Excelsior should have been and the Defiant still came out on top in spite of being sucker punched) The episode Valiant itself is one of the best examples of this. The initial battle which crippled the Valiant and killed its officers was against a Cardassian warship. 3 years earlier Tom Riker scoffed at 3 Cardassian Warships posing a credible threat to the Defiant, which Kira seemed to buy
I like to think it's an old design, like most dominion stuff but they keep a few mothballed incase a force attacks dominion space and the attack ships and battlecrusiers aren't enough. I think in the lost dominion arc of STO that fleet had some
they have it the achille class was build to successfully counter both the dominion battleship and the superdreadnought cardassian hutet, to give some spec 8 pulse cannons, several phaser array, 6 rapid fire quantum launcher, and dorsal arrays of burs fire micro quantum capable to cripple the biggest target with their sheer number despite individually are weaker , redundancies built everywhere with 2 warp core, dual shielded and ablative armour , 4 total warp nacelle(2 on pylon and 2 imbedded in the after saucer , same for impulse to assure it can go back home eve when crippled , in the lore the prototype alone hade the highest kill counted with 2 ketracel facility destroyed and 12 wings of galor/battlecruiser defence vessel obliterated
I don't recall. The Dominion was --- Dominant in the Gamma Quadrant. They wiped everything out over there? No neighbouring Quadrants really gave them any trouble?
Starfleet should have get one of these after the war and place in in earth orbit, just in case the "only ship in range (aka Enterprise)" isn't there to protect earth
I always wondered what would happen if the Federation just made the defiant as big as the enterprise galaxy class. Would it be as agile and powerful as the original?
There must have been two different versions of this ship, the one in the episode Valiant, and the other version depicted in the penultimate episode of DS9.
If only STO would have created full interiors for these ships like they did Romulan, Klingon, and Starfleet...instead of the generic bridges and interiors
If it’s not under the command of shenzon (the Picard clone) then I think the dominion battleship takes it, it’s a brute of sheer power but shenzon had the tactical ability to match Picard and overpower several romulan warships. The Schindler may possibly be outmatched straight up but shenzon shows experience makes the difference.
I'd rather battle a Borg Cube than face one of these monsters. The Borg will assimilate. If the Dominion deploys one of these...they want destruction. I don't even think an Achilles Class can stand against a Dominion Battleship!
Ok, but WHY does a dedicated battleship staffed exclusively by disposable cloned soldiers need so many windows all over its hull? Those are structural weaknesses and wholly unnecessary. Even the bridges of Dominion ships are located deep within the hull (as they damn well should!) and windowless. So who are those windows for?
So they probably should have called the battle cruiser simply the dominion cruiser. So I am going to this battleship the dominion Juggernaut class, the cruiser I would the Madicore or something like that. I noticed around 4min 45 you called the Battleship the Battlecruiser, really they need to get rid of battle in the mid size ship as demonstrates it makes it too confusing.
So personally I think this ship is a perfect example of why the federation needs something like section 31, even in times of desperation most of starfleet are of the mindset of “”we can’t do that, we’re the good guys!”” But look at in the pale moonlight, Sisco (is it Sisco or Sisko I can’t remember 🤦♂️) is acting like a section 31 officer in that episode yes it costs him dearly but it saves the whole Klingon race as you know the Dominion wouldn’t allow them to live their far to aggressive and it’s not a case of if but when they would rebel, the humans could be useful but it’s up in the air if they could be controlled in the dominions eyes odds are they would wipe out the humans Klingons and Romulans just to be sure, Sisco’s actions save them all but he wasn’t a starfleet officer. So why do I say all this? Well it’s a slow fairly cumbersome ship throw a moon at it or a large asteroid basically something big enough that it’s shield can’t stop it yes the rock will carry on its path maybe hitting a habited world but we can deal with that later, or do a version of the holdo manoeuvre (in SW it was dumb as it destroys their FTL system but in a Trek we shouldn’t have that problem).
I forget which interview it was, but never go by size on the screen as the visual affect guy admitted they didn't care for scale as long as the shot looks good.
I believe it was Doug Drexler that said that
Ugh..far be it from me to question the professionals but ugh.
@@clintmatthews3500 thing is, he’s right. They’re doing visual storytelling, the shot matters over everything else. Nothing else matters.
@clintmatthews3500 if it was realistic, never be more than one ship visible on screen, as starships engage at distances of thousands of kilometres.
@@oldschooloverlord The funny thing is, often due to budget, a lot of scenes are exactly like that.
I like the idea of the Dominion operating around a principle of threes which each step being an escalation/more focused approach. First they send in the Vorta, then the Jem'Hadar and then the Founders. Same with their ships; first the fighter, then the cruiser and then the battleship.
Agreed, but I feel like the order might go Vorta, Founder, Jem'Hadar. The Vortas show up to play nice and try to win you over through diplomacy. The Founders replace key figures and begin sewing discord and subterfuge. If neither approach works, the Jem'Hadar drags what little survives into the Dominion.
Bit of a dumb nitpick on my end but I was just remembering the "find the founder" pre-war stuff from the show. 100% agreed on the ships, though. I love the "We tried to be nice, now we gotta escalate" mentality.
@@Gigas0101 It depends on the situation. The Founders don't like to get involved unless they have to. It basically goes Diplomacy > Force > Subversion. One does not replace the other. They complement each other. Technically subversion is a logical second step but again, the Founders don't bother and Jem'Hadar are cheap.
@@Gigas0101 that's the route they take with the Federation, but what we hear from conquered/convinced worlds in the Gamma Quadrant it seems the Jem'hadar are just sent in if the Vorta fail in most cases.
After all, many regarded the Founders as somewhat of a myth, and had no idea they were changelings/shapeshifters.
The Federation seems to have been a pretty unique case, between their intel, connection with Odo, and wide geographic (spatial? stellar?) range compared to most Dominion-conquered worlds.
Even with cases like Bajor, they first separated them from the rest of the Federation. Suggesting the Federation was too big to take on at once even for the Dominion's sizeable industrial base (remembering that the faction which caused trouble up until the end of season 7, was just whatever had managed to get through the wormhole before the start of season 6...)
@@tomgon3D Subversion was used before Force/Full War though. Subversion was Season 3, 4 and 5. War was 6 and 7.
Jem'Hadar Battlecruiser: *does stuff*
Federation: Holy sh*t how are we supposed to beat that???
Jem'Hadar Battleship: lol that isn't even my final form!
As Brex said: "keep our strongest shield facing them and use quantum torpedos."
"When The Dominion stops pretending to be nice." Lol!
To be fair, the Valiant was crewed entirely by cadets. The Defiant class was (likely?) intended to engage Borg cubes in packs, not engage them in 1v1 melees. I still enjoy your content, please keep it coming!
That's exactly it.
@@christopherboccuzzi8761 those Red Squad cadets are proof of the old Arleigh Burke quote: “the difference between a good officer and a bad one is about ten seconds.”
The Defiant or its class wasnt going to last against two Borg Cubes....Voyager only Messed up the Borg reputation, Picard ( Havent watch one episode) basically skully wagged the Borg Reputation...Guinan said herself when the Borg come for you, they come for you. Then everything became plot armore for the amin characters. 1 Cube at a time, when their should have been 100 just for the first strike.
That thing is a nightmare. I would only ever want to fight it with a cloaked ship. Sneak up and flank it. Though with it's escorts that too is a risky sounding proposition.
my own headcanon is that, since we only ever really saw these in Cardassian territory, the Dominion was already planning on betraying the Carassians and were building the Battleships to hold captured territory.
Well yes. Remember what the female changeling said to Garak. They planned on exterminating the Cardassians.
Makes sense, the female founder even says ‘we should had done this as soon as we got here’ (referring to the genocide of cardassia that they were about to undertake)
@@Gothic7876agreed, they planned to eliminate all Cardassians because they could not trust them.
Definitely plausible.
They were set up to lose even before the war. They were the closest major power to the wormhole with shipyards and bases to hold off a invasion. The Changelings used the Klingons to cripple their military and industrial capacity and drive them to the Dominion. Once the war was won the Dominion would have dismantled the Cardassian union and put the Vorta in control.
The Dominion probably had these in the Gamma Quadrant, but because they couldn't get them through the Wormhole, they had to build their own on site in the Alpha Quadrant from pre-existing designs.
Like how they had to create shipyards for Attack fighters and a Alpha Quadrant cloning facility for Jem'Hadar soldiers (and Wayhouns).
Having reinforcements being created in secure facilities in the Gamma Quadrant and sent through was no longer an option.
As for the lack of long range sensors, they may have been seen as an unnecessary expense in the current situation by the Alpha branch of the Dominion caught in a War of Attrition. It's _always_ going to have an escort fleet, and be brought in to do the 'ground and pound'. The first ship encountered by the Valiant was being checked to see they'd copied the plans correctly.
If the Dominion had not been forced back, their intent may have been to use this to sterilise Alpha Alliance planets to save the effort needed in occupying them, and as a terror weapon in that if you resist they'll bring this in and just glass your World.
And as a 'scorched Earth' tactic when they are being driven out of enemy territory they've previously held.
Although the Founder no doubt dreamed of using it for a literal scorched Earth one day.
Starfleet really should have insisted on keeping one of them as 'spoils of war'.
"It's for our fleet museum, why would we reverse engineer it? We could just pump out a battlegroup of Defiants for the equivalent resources and crew, with a lot more firepower."
["Did they buy that excuse?].
Such a rad looking ship
"This vessel would suck at pretty much any other role [than combat-oriented monstrosity]" - well, good thing for the Dominion that they don't need it to do anything else!
It's a pure warship. Even more than the Defiant.
We didn't build it to do nice things - Dominion HQ.
Love that CI and Dominion logo blend on the specs page. Very cute and clever.
This is like the defiant - but bigger then a D'deridex.
I'm surprised THE DOMINION didn't have their own version of "The Sisko" 😅 Imagine the battles... 🤤
@@Justhatguy1 Weyoun kinda was the chosen one.
And the discussions with his gods were a lot less cryptic.
This reminds me of the Yamamoto class from WWII... Insanely destructive with huge guns but realtively slow, uncomprimising and vulnerable to swarm tactics from agile opponents. It requires escort ships to make up for its weaknesses.
Your thumbnails have been looking soo good!
Had a ton of fun playing as the Dominion in modded Armada 2 playthrough
The Dominion knows how to build a battleship. Although, I kinda feel like this ship should be classified as a super-heavy-battleship simply because it's so big and slow.
Ala dreadnought
"look at the size of that thing"-Wedge opps wrong franchise 😅😂😂
I would like to see you do an episode on the Breen Ships. Also, you should an episode on the Dominion bases, prisons, and Ketracel-white facilities.
I would love to have one of these go up against the Simitar. :D
Not to be confused with the Battle cruiser. Calls it the BC at least twice within 5 minutes. :)
All good Rick. So easily done.
My head Canon would say the Battleship is the smaller scale and the Dread is the monstrously huge planetary defence size.
In the same vein as Klingon K'Vort looking exactly like their smaller cousins.
Star Trek: Hey, mind if I copy your homework?
Star Wars: Sure, fam, but make it look like your own.
Why would you copy trash?
@@xaviermontalban717 low quality b8
@xaviermontalban717 For when your villain faction has an equally trash ideology. :P
Can the Premonition be next? Well, can all three Heritage ships be next, including the Valor fighter. Keep up the great work, too.
I'm a little late but awesome new video Rick.
By the way a side note. The only actual member of the Valiant when they attacked that Battleship was Dorian Collins. Every other crew member was killed. Of course naturally Nog and Jake escaped with Dorian. Tim Watters was very foolish to think his small ship could take out such a huge powerhouse of a ship like that. The Valiant was out numbered like what 10-1 with just weaponry alone?
I think the battleship knew the Valiant was there all along, detected the sensor probe, hacked it and fed it false information for that "weakness" that the Valiant crew thought they discovered.
I flew a JH Dread with Bug Ship pets for a long time on one of my toons in STO. Very awesome looking ship.
By God, that`s a BIG ship.
A formidable ship. I really like the dominion story arc.
I always interpreted the XL Dreadnoughts over Cardassia as a separate, even larger ship class which just happens to look like the regular battleship. Maybe the Dominion simply took the Battleship design and scaled it up by a factor of 5. They might have been intended as orbital genocide platform from the start but were also pretty useful as capital ships for a last stand.
Right off the bat, the star of this episode in the void.
Would be interested to see how this ship squares up to a Sovereign Class. Sure it can bully a Defiant but the Enterprise E is a completely different Beast.
"So Anyway, I Started Blasting" - Frank Reynolds
Are you sure it wasn't Jeffrey Combs playing Reynolds that said that? hehe
Unless he means Charlie Reynolds, captain if the Centaur.
So the Dominion Battlewagon is redundancy personified, and to make War personal. Basically, this is a sign that you have really angered the Dominion.
There were Jem'Hadar that were bred specifically for the Alpha Quadrant, following that logic it would make sense that this arena containing far more super powers than the Gamma Quadrant, would have area-specific ship designs as well.
*The reason visual scale is so inaccurate in Star Trek* is because the documentary makers and journalists/historians have to use extreme zoom on their cameras _to get the shots safely._
They position themselves years later so they can record what _had_ happened.
But when you're filming something light years away, there's going to occasionally be some distortion in correcting for foreground objects.
This thing was insane, I was disappointed we never saw another aside from in background shots
It would be interesting to see how this ship would go up against the.Scimitar 🤨
The Wraith hive always gave me vibes of this ship.
I remember a fleet of these ships guarding Cardassia Prime during the final battle of the Dominion War. I have no idea how the Federation Alliance thought they could defeat them.
I've got a model of the Advanced version of these on my desk, was expensive and the company that made it sucks. its a nice model, but they forgot to ship it for MONTHS until i reminded them. i still love the design of both of these.
My second favourite design. Less practical than the Battlecruiser, but sent a very clear message: I will raze everything around you to the ground...
It looks so cool
Considering the short range of it sensor capabilities, I wonder if it would be possible to utilize a strategy based on 'death of of a thousand photon torpedoes fired just out of sensor range', especially if you can somehow take out or otherwise occupy the escort fleet.
Harassment at range or with cloaked torpedo boats.
Warp in, dump entire magazine of torpedoes in one volley, warp out.
Oh man you read my mind, I was going to ask about this.
One of my Favorite Dominion ship with the dominion battlecruiser (having the last one in Star trek online). I must admit that I really sthink the dominion battleship looks like a star destroyer from star wars.
I'd love to see this puppy go up against a Borg cube. The Borg would win hands down, but I think the Jem'Hadar would make them work for it
I like to imagine that the defeat of the Valiant is more a sign that the Defiant class needed a specific crew to excel.
There is beta lore that the Scimitar is built on the unfinished hull of one of these, that was captured by Romulan /Reman troops at a ship yard following the battle of Cardassia. I rather like this bit of non canon lore
So is this the closest the Star Trek universe has gotten to a Star Destoyer? It sounds very Imperial Star Destoyer like.
You could say that. Pretty fair assessment. That said the Technologies are very different. Hyperdrives seem faster than Warp, atleast until Warp 9.2 and beyond was reached. But Star Trek Shields seem fat superior, yet phasers and disruptors can be argued if they are more or less powerful than Turbolasers. So interesting indeed!
@@matthewcaskey1051 100% agree the tech is different, in some cases not even comparable. However, what I meant was the spirit, or purpose, or mission for which the vassal was designed and created are comparable. This battle ship and the ISD are symbols of raw military power and intimidation, designed to crush all resistance, and provide significant & concentrated firepower to the battle space. They are command ships and a heavy combatants. They carry invasion forces and fighter craft. Therefore, this ship fills the same form and function as the Star Destroyers from the Star Wars universe to the degree that no other ship in Star Trek does or even comes close to.
On the size and fire power alone it remind me at the SD Lucifer from Free space 2
My own personal head canon is that jem hadar battleships also serve as mobile bases and contain a small drydock inside them for the construction of jem hadar battle bugs. The battleships purpose is to serve as a type of beach head in a captured territory and begin ship building asap.
Another lovely ship from the Dominion! Makes up for the fighter and then some!
The task force that came through the wormhole was only really intended to be a vanguard. That is why they faced such problems after the wormhole was closed to them. Who knows how many of these behemoths were waiting in their own part of the galaxy. Perhaps thousands...
This scale of capital ship is more like something you would see in Wars, not Trek. It would therefore require the same type of highly automated and highly organised social structure to supply and support it. Likely the Dominion had exactly that and the Vorta are probably far more efficient organisers and administrators than the Galactic Senate ever was.
In fact I wonder if the Borg tangled with them and then decided to put conquest of the the Founders onto the back burner until other, less troublesome civilisations were assimilated? It could well be as with other cultures that contact with the Borg led to the evolution of an immensely powerful generation of ships to counter them, even if they were held only as paper battleships until they were specifically required.
Somewhat low tech, highly redundant, and extremely heavily armed. That sounds like a stored ship designed not to fight not the federation, but something more deadly.
I have an alternate take: I like to think of these ships as ancient siege ships that prowl Dominion space. They are old and venerable and meant to hold territory. Cruisers and Attack ships are intended to take the systems. The Batttleship is intended to hold it. The wormhole mine delayed the Dominion from moving these ships into the Alpha Quandrant thus forcing the Dominion to construct their siege ships to allow them to follow through with their strategy. This is why it doesn't seem like they tested it. Its been tested and they work. Just my thoughts.
It would have been interesting to pit this against the NeghVar. DITL suggests rough parity between the battleship + battlecruiser vs 2 Negh'Var class ships.
They built 27 during the war huh 😮🤔 Considering how enormous the ship is, these were flying out of dock. And the other 700+ other ships built at the same time. 😅 Such efficiency! 😄
That thing was a Leviathan of a war ship. I'm half amazed the Dominion never built anything bigger! Because they could.
So how about Star Trek Online's Heritage Starship Bundle? I remember those ships from back in the day when those games first came out, Oh boy!
Yup they knew how to build them like slayer doesn't have to do sound at live shows
My head cannon on the wild scale differences are they built some regular size but they built some WUMBO size for more stationary command roles or as flagships for important individuals. Maybe they made like 3 of them 3x larger for carrying around the female changling? Maybe they made them in varying sizes but they're all the same floorplan just scaled up? Maybe a few Founders liked taking LARGE physical forms and wanted LARGE ships to match?
please do the Borg queen's ship, aka the Borg Diamond, next
NGL the Dominion is that Esoteric if not Dangerous, Especially being the galactic Power of the Gamma Quadrant for who knows how long the Federation or The Klingons or other known Factions known them.
They should have found out and used the Dominion shipbuilding for ST Picard .( they produced more ships faster )
The dominion battleship is often used as a command ship of dominion battle groups.
Theory; the different design languages between the Attack Fighters and the Dominion Capital Ships is similar to the different design languages between the Defiant and Saber classes, and the standard Primary and Secondary hulls with nacelles on pylons that Starfleet uses.
If looking in the Gamma Quadrant, it may well be that all their larger ships use a similar paradigm.
Prehaps the Bugship was even based on a original ship from the time before the Founders co-opted and modified the Jem'Hadar?
The different layouts are from different species?
I wonder if the founders themselves designed the ships or just left it to the Vorta?
This is what it looks like when the Dominion stops trying to be nice. Yep. That about says it all.
I þought þis was an instruction video on how to take over any given solar system.
SPACE!!!
I got a question, which is the better warship? The defiant Achilles class?
"Not to be confused with the battle 'cruiser'," - proceeds to call it a battle cruiser a half-dozen times 😉
You say the Defiant was designed to take a hammering by a Borg cube, but wasn't the design spec to send 6-12 of them at once? Or sprinkle them in with a wider fleet, as we saw in _First Contact?_ It's not _that_ surprising that a single one, which had been needing a resupply for months, would struggle on its own.
2:12 Nog and one girl survived when Valiant was destroyed, everyone else on the ship perished.
What about Jake
So next on STOL dominion vs the borg
The Star Trek stardestroyer
Since when Defiant had similar power to Galaxy? when it barely draw even vs a excelsior refit USS Lakota (both werent using torps). This statement would make any reason as that would mean that Excelsior class after refit was as powerfull as Lakota. Also Defiant got down fast after few short hits from a cube... It didnt tank much. But other parts do seem OK :)
The Defiant’s power level vs other ships is wildly inconsistent across the length of the show. (Though the Lakota had been retrofitted to be much stronger than an Excelsior should have been and the Defiant still came out on top in spite of being sucker punched)
The episode Valiant itself is one of the best examples of this. The initial battle which crippled the Valiant and killed its officers was against a Cardassian warship. 3 years earlier Tom Riker scoffed at 3 Cardassian Warships posing a credible threat to the Defiant, which Kira seemed to buy
I like to think it's an old design, like most dominion stuff but they keep a few mothballed incase a force attacks dominion space and the attack ships and battlecrusiers aren't enough. I think in the lost dominion arc of STO that fleet had some
The dderedex is mostly hollow. This ship would be much more massive. And therefore have. More power generation, more powerful weapons and shields.
Why can’t the Federation have toys like this?!
Starfleet's answer to ships of this scale (D'Deridex, JH Dreadnought, Reman Scimitar) was the Odyssey class.
they have it the achille class was build to successfully counter both the dominion battleship and the superdreadnought cardassian hutet, to give some spec 8 pulse cannons, several phaser array, 6 rapid fire quantum launcher, and dorsal arrays of burs fire micro quantum capable to cripple the biggest target with their sheer number despite individually are weaker , redundancies built everywhere with 2 warp core, dual shielded and ablative armour , 4 total warp nacelle(2 on pylon and 2 imbedded in the after saucer , same for impulse to assure it can go back home eve when crippled , in the lore the prototype alone hade the highest kill counted with 2 ketracel facility destroyed and 12 wings of galor/battlecruiser defence vessel obliterated
A ship built to destroy all who dare to stand in the Dominion’s way
you would think such a massive ship would be versatile simply by virtue of having a SHIT ton of internal space to play around with.
I don't recall. The Dominion was --- Dominant in the Gamma Quadrant. They wiped everything out over there? No neighbouring Quadrants really gave them any trouble?
The Dominion really is the closest thing to having the Galactic Empire in Star Trek.
Got to admit I was confused when I saw the video pop up. Thought it might be a re-upload lol
Yeah I was like didn’t he make a video on this I’ve yet to watch .
Starfleet should have get one of these after the war and place in in earth orbit, just in case the "only ship in range (aka Enterprise)" isn't there to protect earth
I always wondered what would happen if the Federation just made the defiant as big as the enterprise galaxy class.
Would it be as agile and powerful as the original?
There must have been two different versions of this ship, the one in the episode Valiant, and the other version depicted in the penultimate episode of DS9.
I'd guess that after the treaty (and even if the Dominion HAD won), they probably would have been deconstructed, and only created again if needed
If only STO would have created full interiors for these ships like they did Romulan, Klingon, and Starfleet...instead of the generic bridges and interiors
Ah, so this is Star Trek's equivalent to the Imperial-class Star Destroyer.
Ah yes, the Red Squad killer lol
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Jem’Hadar battleship VS Reman Warbird Scimitar, who wins?
If it’s not under the command of shenzon (the Picard clone) then I think the dominion battleship takes it, it’s a brute of sheer power but shenzon had the tactical ability to match Picard and overpower several romulan warships. The Schindler may possibly be outmatched straight up but shenzon shows experience makes the difference.
Hmm as formidable as these are , I wonder how'd it do aganst the humongous Reman vessel Scimitar in movie Star Trek Nemesis or a Borg cube
I'd rather battle a Borg Cube than face one of these monsters. The Borg will assimilate. If the Dominion deploys one of these...they want destruction. I don't even think an Achilles Class can stand against a Dominion Battleship!
At a length of 1284 m the Dominion battleship is 59 m SHORTER than the D'Deridex-Class!!!! As the D'Deridex-Class is 1353 m long!!!!!
Ok, but WHY does a dedicated battleship staffed exclusively by disposable cloned soldiers need so many windows all over its hull? Those are structural weaknesses and wholly unnecessary.
Even the bridges of Dominion ships are located deep within the hull (as they damn well should!) and windowless. So who are those windows for?
So they probably should have called the battle cruiser simply the dominion cruiser. So I am going to this battleship the dominion Juggernaut class, the cruiser I would the Madicore or something like that. I noticed around 4min 45 you called the Battleship the Battlecruiser, really they need to get rid of battle in the mid size ship as demonstrates it makes it too confusing.
So the Dominion Battleship could smash the Romulan Scimitar yes?
You called it a battlecruiser a couple of times, around mid video 😂
So personally I think this ship is a perfect example of why the federation needs something like section 31, even in times of desperation most of starfleet are of the mindset of “”we can’t do that, we’re the good guys!”” But look at in the pale moonlight, Sisco (is it Sisco or Sisko I can’t remember 🤦♂️) is acting like a section 31 officer in that episode yes it costs him dearly but it saves the whole Klingon race as you know the Dominion wouldn’t allow them to live their far to aggressive and it’s not a case of if but when they would rebel, the humans could be useful but it’s up in the air if they could be controlled in the dominions eyes odds are they would wipe out the humans Klingons and Romulans just to be sure, Sisco’s actions save them all but he wasn’t a starfleet officer.
So why do I say all this? Well it’s a slow fairly cumbersome ship throw a moon at it or a large asteroid basically something big enough that it’s shield can’t stop it yes the rock will carry on its path maybe hitting a habited world but we can deal with that later, or do a version of the holdo manoeuvre (in SW it was dumb as it destroys their FTL system but in a Trek we shouldn’t have that problem).
Shame that a photon torpedo makes the main brace of the ship turn into wet spaghetti esqu substance then it blows up