Hey 👋 Thanks for recommending Kendra Christine's channel to me👍 And thanks for spreading the gospel. May the blood of Christ cover you. Always remember John 17: 9-19 Jesus prayed over you and that's amazing.
@@PoliteLeader can you or someone do a video on john MacArthur health. There seems to be confusion/false information about his health. Some say he's fine others say he is still sick. Thank you I really appreciate it.
Exactly. We have different roles. That doesn’t make us less. The women in my church hold private bible studies, one on one discipleship, smaller prayer meetings etc. however they do not lead worship and do not preach or teach to the full congregation. That’s just how the Lord instructed.
@@jcbb3787 The "keep silent in church" thing has a lot of people up in arms. And it needn't do. The entire premise is that The pastor is supposed to teach the men, and the men teach the women. The whole idea being, why would a woman ask the leader something in church when she can just ask her husband when she gets home. Generally speaking, we don't tend to observe that teaching too much these days, I"m a single woman, so I ask questions, often i ask the pastor via SMS, and he sets up a meeting and we discuss it. When we have bible study pretty well everyone asks questions. We believe that specific teaching refers to what we'd deem our "sunday meetings" and most certainly does not pertain to worship. The very suggestion that women should "keep silent in church" during worship would render many of Gods instructions with regards to worship as null and void if only men could worship. Its interesting to note that in my church we have two prophetesses. One of whom also has the gift of interpretation. We have to acknowledge that the scripture clearly does not require them to "remain silent in church" when under the unction of the Holy Spirit. Its not a hard and fast teaching, but one that has to be understood in the context it was meant by. Our roles aren't less. they're different.
I saw the thumbnail and I knew this was going to be great! Unpopular as all get out, but entirely true. The truth offends, and we should all be this courageous to stand by the Word as you’ve done here. God bless you brother. I’m so glad you’re feeling better.
One of the qualifications of an elder is "being a one-woman man". That is not possible for a woman, unless she is lusting after strange flesh (woman for woman). Not subtracting, just adding.
This is a false teaching from the false apostle Paul. Seek and you will find the Truth. Compare Paul's words to Jesus. And then look to see how many direct quotes Paul has from Jesus. Blessings in Christ!
I never understood the myopia, on this subject. Egalitarians seem to speak as though ALL men get to be elders and church teachers, and that Paul’s writings discriminate against women, specifically. No. *Very few men* qualify, according to the Epistles. And *then* those few, qualified men face greater judgement, yes? It seems to me that those who argue for egalitarianism do not have a healthy enough fear of the Almighty. Paul says these things so clearly, woe betide the women AND the unqualified men who stand at His pulpit in rebellion. I’ll be content to be silent, thank you very much. 😅
Im with you. I think there are those who equate the equal importance God gives us by virtue of our Father/image giver with other forms of image such as wealth, health, status, rolls. We are all created equally wonderful in Gods eues, DESPITE disparities in wealth, health, status, or rolls. The SJWs want us all to have the same everything, but God clearly made us the same value even if everything else we have is different. The one world order / ala Tower of Babel people really have this all so backwards.
Happily left a "church" who, one day, trotted out a "Pastor Tina." This wasn't a women's group, it was for the whole congregation (I had been attending a few months, but had never heard of her til then). I called the church to ask if perhaps somewhere in the Bible this was permissable. The person--AND THIS WAS SO TELLING--said he didn't have a Bible in front of him (AT A CHURCH?!), but that "Pastor Tina" felt she had a goft that God would want her to share and it was the church's job to encourage that. I said, "with all due respect, shouldn't "Pastor Tina" deny her desires in favor of what the Lord requires for church leadership as presented in Scripture?" "We dont think God would want her to deny her gift" (!?!?!) Thank Jesus this lead me straight to a Bible-believing Presbyterisn church that fed my soul and not my ego, that demanded men step up and women support from the side.
Brother Alan, were you perhaps a Communications major in college? You have quite the "professional broadcaster" style of delivery in your videos. This is _not_ a criticism, it's just something I've been meaning to ask. Btw, I'm female and I could not agree with you more! *Women should NOT be in leadership positions in the Church, except when they're teaching/leading other women or children.* _It has nothing to do with sexism. It's about Federal Headship and God's created order._ If some women have a problem with this, they should take it up with God. Anyway, God bless you, and thank you for what you do! 😊
@emaNyM Hi Sister. No, I actually majored in history in college, but I did get an "A minus" in Speech and Communications. And thank you! That is a very kind compliment. God bless you as well.
@@PoliteLeader your are very intelligent 🤓🧠 and articulate so well! 😌 I'm not so much! 😔 I try to express myself, but it's not easy! 🤔 I love you beautiful precious brother!!! 💞🤗 I learned a new word from DW! Its Ultracrepidarian! At first I thought it wasn't a true word until I looked it up! It was DW's friend who made this remix! ruclips.net/video/ShMA7h2rhso/видео.html
Or be an Episcopalian......we have women priests, deacons, deans and bishops..and they are some of the most sincere, and pious Christians I have ever known.
Older Women, Women!!! I have had the pleasure of sitting under Wonderful Female Bible Teachers who did not call themselves Elders nor did they have a desire to be one!!
Not mad at all. As a woman I have enough to manage already and I'd rather deal with those things than try to live up to being a man Jesus would be. That's a big cross and sandles to fill. ✌💗
Umm... Everyone has to strive to be like Jesus. Being a woman or you're busy with work does not make it an exception. We need to follow the example of Christ.
@@sandra0749 That's not the issue addressed in the video, it's deeper than the personal lifestyle of an individual Christian, which is the point of my initial comment. ✌💗
My pastor taught on Titus and it was just as you did here. These others are saying it’s some other meaning so they can justify a woman in a role “they “ support. Glad I being taught correctly . Thank for teaching truth!!
I do a lot of evangelism on my RUclips account to a wide array of the lost-Catholics, Wiccans, atheists, Scientologists, liberal mainline Protestants, Joel Osteen-Joyce Meyer-Max Lucado followers, etc. and recently was given a nasty exchange from a devotee of Meyer when I explained that, biblically speaking, the office of pastor/elder is male-only. I don’t hate this woman who was speaking to me, as she was using emotion and not the Bible to foster her argument. Prayer for all the future witnessing moments I have would be greatly appreciated. Our world’s churches are filled with those looking to hear what they want, not what they need.
Thank you for making this video. Can you make a video on what the scripture says what we are supposed to do as women then, what is our roll in church then? :)
I was priviledged to perform in the investiture Eucharist of the first female Episcopal bishop in the USA....I will always consider it a singular honor bestowed by Christ.....it was truly a day the Lord had made....rejoice and be glad in it.....
Given the episcopal church membership and attendance continues to decline, being proud may not be a correct response unless you dispise the gospel of Christ. Wow pride does come before a fall!
A position within a church that carries with it the authority to make decisions must be held by a male. Many Baptist churches around me have a head pastor, a few staff, and deacons. I find it to be a bad practice to use the word deacon in place of elder as it leads to confusion. The real problem in these churches is that many church choices are left to a church wide vote, completely removing any power from the eldership and putting it in the hands of anyone who is a 'member'.
Hey Rick!!...Awesome video Mr. Dude. I know as strong women we want to be able to share our love and passion of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We should definitely do that, but we need to remember God himself put down an order of leadership both at home, and in society. We are to submit to the husbands, not to be ruled over so much, but to be taught and protected. If a man is submitting to God and honesty trying to follow God's commands, why would we not submit to him and trust he has our best interests at heart? The same in the church. God clearly said men should Pastor churches and Church deacons are to be men. That is what Paul said...we can't change it just because we don't like it . It does not make us less than, or weaker than males. It just means God has other intentions and roles for us females. I know my opinion isn't popular. I don't always like it. I come from an abusive past, I know it can be hard to submit and feel safe and valued. But,, in my opinion...we have to. We need to trust God will put us under kind and gentle, but firm male leaders, both at home, and in church. Ok, Mr. Vest Dude....God be with you always. 🙂 🙏 ✌.
@Bobbi Patrick Hey Carol. Thanks so much for your comment and for sharing. I wholeheartedly concur with what you said and thanks for your help on this.
Thanks Brother Allen, I appreciate your ministry. I am amazed by women who say God told them to be a pastor in the church. In particular, I was told by one female assistant to a quote female "pastor", she could preach to men, but if a male needed prayer, he would have to seek a male for it; because that's what God told her to do. Needless to say I was blown away with such an answer. It's amusing to see how Paul's words are either taken out of context, or completely ignored.🤔 Be blessed, Dalton
It's so sad to see women in the Church grasping at straws and sounding so desperate to place themselves in a position that God, nor Jesus ever assigned to them. These women need to take Paul's advice. He told the church that not everyone should be teaching because those of us who teach are judged more strictly than others. And every time that I hear a woman open her mouth and say things like what she was teaching, it just confirms the fact that they are the weaker vessels and need to be submitted to a man. No matter how much the Lord allows women to do in the Kingdom and in the Church; no matter all the gifts that they can have and the impact that they can have teaching Christ, it never seems to be enough for them. No, they want to be equal. And unfortunately, God will never allow a woman to have authority over a man in his Church. They just need to accept it and let him use them in the capacity that He can.
Both my brothers in law are Christian, one is a studied minister. They, among others, have given me the excuse that there now can be women in leadership because not enough men are stepping up. My retort is 1. Where's the proof? 2. God will not make adjustments in His commands 3. He provided the ram, He'll provide the man. Your take on this discourse?
Amen! Thank you Polite Leader. I agree with EVERYTHING you said! I must say that your timing is amazing and providential. Last night on Ref Net Radio, I listened to a podcast "Nancy Guthrie answers listeners questions" (September 2020) I was very disturbed by this! Her Husband David was interviewing her about her beginnings as a Bible Teacher. Alan, would you please listen to this podcast if you have the time? Then could you please explain to me how it is that she is allowed to teach the Bible on a "Reformed Protestant" radio station? To God be the Glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen
@@justrhonda16 , Why so polemic against men? There is nothing wrong with asking the brother for his thoughts and I know of many mem who do preach to the very people you minister to. I have and I know of many others. The Christian world is larger than your individual experience. We are all on the same team.
@@justrhonda16 I'm there with you sister. I'm inside a downtown Gospel Mission discipling the men and teaching them the Bible. Just because you don't see us doesn't mean we're not there. We go where God leads us, just like you.
You can spread the gospel but you cannot be an elder if you are a woman. You can only preach to younger women and children (young boys and young girls.)
I believe God created men and women equal; however, throughout scripture, the spiritual leadership has always been male. God has charged both men and women to go and make disciples of all nations.
Paul describes them serving not leading brother. she is serving by supporting other believers in hardship. everyone who wants to can support others that is a roll for all Christians not just leaders or elders
Hidden LED strip somewhere on the left to lighten the wall poster.. just throwing it out there :) Lighting and picture is looking much, much better than before. Thanks for the hard work in delivering information.
What is your understanding of complementarianism? I understood it to mean men and women have different roles to play, both essential to the body of Christ. Yet it does not (so far as known to me) teach that women have a role as leadership or teachers (except when teaching other women, or perhaps children).
@@PoliteLeader It says 15 minutes to read, that was enough to read the introduction though. So far it gives me a really strawman taste; his response to CBMW is that it works from a defense position to preserve some complementary roles, but fails to recognize that men and women have distinct purposes in life. I think that this response is willfully uncharitable to CBMW by highlighting that they do not recognize these purposes, but rather think/talk about roles. To do so he intentionally downplays the significance of the word role and contrasts it with purpose, an approach that is just playing with words to make a point in my view. Whether you call it roles or purposes, the CBMW does recognize that men and women have different roles/purposes, and that our culture at large is rejecting these. Then he goes on to state that society as a whole is left out of the statement and calls that negligent. That is simply because he is holding a wrong idea of the Church's role/purpose in society, not because the CBMW is lacking in their statement. The Church has never had the calling to rule over society, but rather to reflect Jesus towards a godless society. The CBMW therefore took the intentional position to not enforce Christian values onto a godless world. Such a situation will not occur in this world, but in the one to come. All in all I think the article is distorting the complementary view in order to push another view. Say if the world is at 1 and the Church should be at 10, complementarianism is a 9 but the article's view is an 11; neither is closer to that 10.
If you are splitting hairs, then only Jewish men can be elders in the sense of offices. Let's go looking for born again old Jews only. The other possibility is to simply spread the good news knowing church today is not always meeting in homes as much. Cultural differences exist in a world where women are better educated.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge💯% Truth! 🤗 A woman is to learn quietly with full submission. I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 1 Timothy 2:11-13 CSB
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge I disagree....much of the near East is still that Misogynistic.....thinking Westerners have evolved a bit beyond that sort of primitivism....
I am in a bible study and one of the women in my group might be the strongest biblical leader in my life. We have gone through 5 or 6 churches in the last 8 years and we have not found a leader yet (including saddleback rick warren). Jack Hibbs seems like a solid Christian leader but i need to get more experience.
Hello brother, love the content. Just wanted to let you know, just in case you haven’t noticed, on this video as most of the past few, there’s a high pitch buzz going on. You may be aware of this and already addressed it, but just wanted to let you know in case you missed it. God bless!
@@PoliteLeader I thought it was just my phone, and it may be, but other RUclips vids hadn’t done it. About 4 or 5 different ones I’ve listened to has it. Most of the time I’m on the road when I’m listening, so I didn’t notice it. But no big deal! Doesn’t take away from the content!
Hi Allen I may sound like a broken record here. I do appreciate your sensitivity towards this topic I don’t find you hostile about This. There is one brother video I do listen too he’s a good guy and on point but I just feel like when it comes to the subject of women elders he’s intense. Please don’t think I’m gossiping about him. I enjoy his videos as well. I don’t understand why this scripture is one that bothers me as a female. I understand roles that God has made. It bothers me to no end that I feel like this. In a way I feel like Paul Is giving women less capabilities than me. Maybe it’s just me. I’m hoping one day that this will not bother me. Again thank you for another great video. God bless you brother
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. ~ 2 Peter 3
It honestly seems to me that some women are so desperate to prove things about women being pastors they are getting desperate but Scripturally and in context the verses they cite simply doesn’t mean what they so desperately wish it did Biblically women just can’t be pastors or leaders over men in the church Y
1 Timothy 2:12-14 English Standard Version 12 (A)I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 (B)For Adam was formed first, (C)then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but (D)the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Its about having authority over a man. The teaching and having authority over other women or children is permitted.
Has anyone been watching the ‘patriot nurse’ who I like and respect. I’m just not sure I agree with her on her recent post about prayer walking. It made me think of word of faith, or speak it in to existence theology. Any thoughts on her last two posts, anyone?
oh wow, it's been months (years?) since I've seen Patriot Nurse. I'm not sure how I came across her in the first place, but I understand her to be a Christian. If she is promoting "prayer walking," she is dabbling in dangerous doctrines. When I was in a Pentecostal church, we did prayer walking. While some engaged in this practice may not get into the "demon" aspect of it, the "normal" practice does stem from the belief that demons are local or regional and that the prayer walkers are reclaiming that location or region for Christ (basically, casting out demons over a geographic location by walking through that location while praying for deliverance for the inhabitants).
@@carolberubee yea, I’m not sure how I came across her either, but I did and subbed to her channel. I wasn’t really hearing anything questionable until her last couple posts. I’m thinking she is very much pentecostal/ Assembly of God. Watch her recent post and tell me what you think.
@@carolberubee Hey there, Sis!! I saw some of her videos a while back; like you, I don't know how I came across her, but I never really got into listening to her. I DO listen to Susan Heck, who only teaches women - she comes highly recommended by Justin Peters. With all kinds of weird female teachers, hearing the Word soundly preached by another female is refreshing, to say the least. May the Lord bless you richly 🤗🤗
@@Kenlydford After watching her last two videos, here is my first impression. I may be wrong, but I would say she is in the Messianic Jew movement, which does have a Charismatic element at its foundation. In her last video, she uses all the usual Pentecostal language -- her emphasis on the significance of geographic borders, walking a perimeter, mourning the supposed lack of opposition (by the Church) in the spiritual realm, the exhortation to stand against the powers of darkness, speaking (the powers of the tongue), praying for the Spirit to lead you (in something the epistles to the Church do not instruct us to do). So, she relies on a few passages in Deuteronomy and the Psalms specifically for Israel, but ignores Paul's instructions to the Church in Ephesians 6 regarding principalities and powers in the heavenlies.
@@Mary_Kraensel Hello, my beloved sister! I've heard of Susan Heck, but haven't listened to her. I mainly learn from old dead guys, very few men today, and even fewer women. lol.
Can women be leaders over God’s people? OT - Yes, in the NT - No. what happen? With the coming of the gospel, women do not have the same value as they did before the coming of Christ? Was this Christ teaching or Paul cultural setting? Please explain?
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
@@CLM1987 thank you for that great scripture from Paul’s letter to the, then out of control church at Corthin some 2,000 years ago. Doesn’t answer my question, but I appreciate your input sir. Its funny to me how many modern Christian denominations cherry-pick their theology to make it match their own personal likes and dislikes. I’m going to bet that almost all church use chapter 14 as a commandment to silence women, but will ignore the rest of Paul’s instructions in this chapter on church order and desiring the gifts. Pathetic. Not directed to you, just in general.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Seriously? So was Deborah a Judge over God’s people or not? Hmmmmm? Its a yes or no question. What does the scriptures say? Try Judges chapter four verse four. “Now Deborah, a prophetress, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at the time.” Huh.... look at that. Who was Judging the people of Israel? Who was it? What was that person’s name? Again, that was found Judges 4:4. In the OT. The Bible. And just so we are clear about what a Judge is and who appointed Judges over Israel following the conquest or “almost” conquest of the promise lands via Joshua’s campaign: “Then the Lord raised up judges, who saved them out of the hand of those who plundered them. Judges 2:16 I’m not even going to entertain the rest of your comment as it is all conjecture unless you got sone sort of Bible verse to back it up. And, seriously, please don’t comment if you’re not going to use or even recognize scripture. I’m not interested in your denominational background or theology or what your pastor told you about this subject, Scripture, God’s word...out of the Bible is all I care about. Its all that matters.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Mark. Deborah was a Judge. She Judged over Israel. Israel was God’s people. Context! Context of scripture. You can do it using reverse logic too. Who was Deborah the Judge over if not God’s people? No liberties here... Again, no scripture., I quoted scripture and gave you the verses. Your responses: #1. Based on your own commentary on some twist logic about Judges and ruling over God’s people. What? Keep in mind, we are ultimately talking about women and if they can be elders in the church? So what’s with this weak argument about semantics. (Judge is a Deliverer vs Leader, they were not rulers? ) Judges, Delivers, Elders, Pastors, these are all leadership roles. Who said anything about rulers? Women cannot be elders because they where never rulers? So you think church elders are the same as rulers? Ruling over God’s people? What like kings?) oh my Lord, what a mess. Nooooo. (I can’t believe I’m even entertaining this). Judge in this context is a leadership role, seriously look it up in the Hebrew if you need to. Samson was a judge and led Israel for 20 years. That’s not my logic or my opinion, that’s scripture (Judges 16:31 NIV). See what I did, that”s called backing your argument up with scripture. I’m not trying to be mean, but it just amazes me how people, Christians know very little about scripture. Sorry to say, but That’s how my arguments will always Trump your human logic. The fact that Samson did a horrific job as a leader does not mean he was not a leader (judge) who led Israel. He did lead Israel, how do I know he led Israel, because of Judge 16:31 and if you actually read the book starting in chapter 13, it tells you the entire story of how bad of a job he did LEADING Israel. At not point does the story say “he no longer led Israel” at least not until his death. Seriously, we are not talking rocket science here. Mark you are killing me. Your argument #2 and #3 are purely based on your denomination and doctrinal beliefs. Fine. The body of Christ consist of multiple members. That;s why there are thousands of Christian denomination all over the world, Catholics, JW’s Pentecostal, Methodist, Baptist (which I’m guessing you hail from) Mormons, Greek Orthodox, Coptic, all with their own rules of do’s and don’t. Different beliefs, some more legalistic some more grace-based. And let’s be clear. If you and your church hold to this doctrine of women oppression, that’s fine with me. I have no problem with it. To each his own, we all need to stand before the Lord and give an account of our own actions, so it doesn’t bother me either way. I just posed the question. At least the other guy who commented used scripture. You? Nope. Not sure how you can talk about the Bible without using the Bible. That says a lot about you. The Bible (both OT & NT) is always the final authority. Not your doctrine. If your doctrine doesn’t square with Bible then, either your doctrine or the Bible is in error. Which, I reason, is why you provide NO scripture. Seriously, it’s a great book, you should read it some times, or are you afraid of what you’ll find? If you won’t use scripture and just doctrine, that’s fine, but You should be honest and say so. I could respect that position. Something like, “I know God had appointed women as Judges in the Old Testament to lead his people, but because Paul said that women should not be elders in the Corinthian church because they were too disrupting in the Corinthian church services and since these woman in Corthin had this issue of distracting people and asking questions to their husbands instead of waiting till they got home, this is solid grounds to change things up and NEVER ever, under any circumstances allow women any sort of leadership role....ever. Christians should ignore the OT when it does not agree with our teaching and we should limit and restrict women’s role because the God we serve changed his mind about many things and women leadership from the OT to the NT is one of them. Obviously you use your theology to drive your believes instead of God’s word. Hey, that’s fine, to each his own. Just know that that’s what you are doing.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge No Mark. I’ve mentioned this more than once. You can’t say you gave me scripture without quoting a book, chapter or verse. That is not “giving scripture”, that is giving your commentary, which I previously mentioned, I’m not interested in. Bible doctrine should not be based on opinions or commentary, they are based on the Bible and identifying where and which and what scriptures you are using to base your doctrine on. If you think major Christian doctrine can be based on the commentary of man and not scripture, then own up to it and admit that that is what you are doing. I knew this was going to happen. You gave me an exact quote when God stated the role of Judges in Israel? You did this without giving a verse or chapter or book? An “exact quote?” If you gave an exact quote without quoting scripture, who exactly did you quote? Are you saying you have the ability to quote God without using his word (the Bible)? The bottom line is that you have, thus far failed to answer my question. In the OT God appointment Judges as leaders over the people of Israel. His people. One of those judges was a female. It’s a leadership role (judges). This post is about women not being about to have leadership roles in the church per Paul via 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. Even though when you read these verses, it says nothing about women having or not having leadership roles, just that they shouldn’t be talking to their husbands during the church service. How people get that is beyond me, fine. Whatever. My question is what changed between the OT and the NT? Did the coming of Jesus restrict the role of women? Your answer was Deborah was a Judge but did not ruler and because she did not rule, she was not a leader. Me: Okay, you claim that being a Judge and operating in the capacity of Judge, as in the case of Deborah, is not a leadership role because she was never a ruler over the people of Israel. Okay. where’s the scripture backing up your claim? You: I did give you scripture. I gave you an exact quote. Me: Without using scripture? What was the book, chapter and verse? You can’t give or quote scripture without a scripture reference. There are no scripture reference that state that Deborah was NOT a Judge or that God did NOT appoint Deborah as a Judge, as he did with all the other Judges in the book of Judges, or that the role of being a Judge is NOT a leadership role. No scriptures in the Bible are available to directly back up your claim like they back up my claim. You can take scriptures out of context or pretend the position of a Judge is not a leadership role and play with the semantics of words, but in the end. You have a doctrinal position that loosely works using Paul’s 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 in the NT but is incompatible in the OT. Regarding my original question, I see a scriptural contradiction. Can you or can’t you prove otherwise using scripture? Not commentary or you church;s position, scripture? Yes or no?
No more debate if you reject this doctrine you are simply not a Christian. Book of Timothy KJV 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge seems as though you've read all the books except Timothy. Or have you added onto the gospels By dening the book of Timothy you are literally teaching a different Gospel Just look at the bible the scripture is there regardless of your political beliefs
@Mark OnTheBlueRidgeif you don't like KJV that's NIV. I can show you the same scripture in esv,asv,berean study bible, and pretty much all credible translations. 11A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. I personally would be indifferent to women leadership but because I believe in the entire bible. I hold too it's teachings no matter how contraversal.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge also I never said women cannot be saved on the contrary the verse actually refers to women and salvation meaning they can be saved. I simply quoted Timothy where it says women are not too teach nor userp athourity over men
@Mark OnTheBlueRidgelet's see what Jesus said regarding belief in the gospel. 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
What do you mean elders? As an elder counsel member? Yes, they can...as women need also theirs ministering elder... but not the main leader, or as the final authority... Remember: aquila & priscilla. And Jesus minister is with women.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge is taking care of the poor & needy in church not a office? Your Christianity is too patriarchal... but thats not what Jesus is telling... Yes, the office of women has a limit... but they also play a key role for the church..
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge you dont have a group in your church that in charge of charity? Or you leadership just past the task in its individual members & exempted theirselves. Read: James 1:27 Its sad, that other church leadership is not into charity, they just past it on the members... then themselves live in luxurious mansion but claim only for evangelism.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Do you help in church regulation? Or church decision-making? If not your just a member that help.. What does deacon do? What are their task? Are things that nice & warm fuzzy, vague? Meaningless? So what are the things that have meaning now? Is Judas born again? How do you know how is born again?
of course women can be elders. Ephesians 4;11-12 says "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" These verses show that God chooses apostles from among people. women are not discriminated, women are not excluded. also, if the Bible talks about women prophetesses then why not apostles, pastors teachers and evangelists? what is the role of those in the office of prophet pastor teacher and apostle? teach and equip saints for ministry. so this one passage of Scripture proves that women can teach and preach and be pastors prophets apostles evangelists and teachers and have authority over men. just as men. if of course God called a given man and a given woman to the office of fivefold ministry. in romans 16;2 we read that Phoebe was a helper in the church. the word helper (succourer) in greek "prostatis and means: properly, a woman set over others. b. a female guardian, protectress, patroness It all depends on the maturity of a person, not gender. when a person serves people in their place where God puts them and they are faitful, full of love, mature then God can use them more and more and makes them a vessel for honorable use. the below verse shows clearly that the person themselves decides whether they are ready for honorable use or not by their pure holy faithful life. gender has nothing to do with that 2 tim 2;21 "So if someone cleanses himself of such behavior, he will be a vessel for honorable use, set apart, useful for the Master, prepared for every good work."
'Man and Woman He creatd them....one of Robin Williams' 10 reasons to be Episcopalian.... One of the others is" "you dont have to check your brain at the church door!".........
@@Mary_Kraensel Before answering that, do you hold to the Regulative Principal of Worship? That means, do you agree and believe that we are not to worship God in a way that either He has decreed in His Word by specific commands or necessary inferences, using logic, applied to the propositions contained therein? In other words, we should only worship God by ways He has commanded and not subtract from or add to His own means of worship and order for His church.
I don’t consider myself to be theologically liberal, but I haven’t really made up my mind on this issue. I think there are verses that can support traditional and equalitarian views. Personally, I would probably lean more towards the traditional view, but there are reputable Christian scholars, such as N. T. Wright, who take the opposite view. When it comes to the area of female leadership, we must understand that this is a policy issue, not a sin issue.
@Joseph Logsdon Hi Joseph. I would strongly agree with Carol. Dr. Wright is not a sound Christian scholar by any means. His understanding of Paul's doctrine of justification is heretical and he often makes outlandish statements such as claiming Lazarus was not really resurrected from the dead.
@@PoliteLeader I’m not saying I agree with him on everything, but I have learned a lot from him. He certainly knows more about the Bible than many pastors do.
Can't some see that Paul's letters are mostly false? Seek Jesus' words, he spoke with women and treated them with respect. In Genesis, mankind is Male and Female alike. So many distractions from Paul. Disregard his words and only trust Jesus. So many try to explain away Paul.
@@youdum please ask YHWH for the truth. Don’t close your eyes. Proverbs 18:13 NKJV [13] He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him.
@@nyambsdeborah8954 somebody picked and chose what’s in the Bible as many know it today. Research and see for yourself. Jesus says my sheep will know my voice. Also read about the women Jesus encountered in the Bible. Very interesting if you seek you will find.
@@TheShutterbug1968 ??. If somebody picked and chose what's in the bible today as you claim, then God didn't preserve His word. And how can I know that when I read the gospels, I am reading the true accounts of Christ?
Polite Leader...and why do you think that scripture is based on Patriarchy? Is it the word of God, or is it mere Middle Eastern misogyny as practiced by the Hebrew race since its inception, and is still present today in the Near East and especially in the Muslim lands.....we are speaking of spiritual things here, not mere anatomy....our female priests, deacons, and BISHOPS in the Episcopal Church are as learned, pious and spiritual as any male prelate I have ever met....(moreso than in many evangelical style parishes).... Enlightened thinking in this regard is not anti scriptural nor anti Godly....women are not property on a par with good cattle as they were in the Old Testament any longer...they are brilliant, well educated human beings, nothing less.....
@David Davenport Hi David. Thanks for your comment. Patriarchy is not misogyny. The two terms and concepts are mutually exclusive. Patriarchy means father rule while misogyny means hatred of women. I believe that the Scriptures as a collective whole teach patriarchy because in the Bible, the leadership duties in the family, the church and human society are under male authority. The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the infallible Word of God and they are not based on Ancient Near Eastern misogyny. There is no meaningful parallel between the ancient Hebrew civilization and the modern Islamic states. Islamic rule is dictated by prescriptions laid out in the Qur'an and the Hadith, not the Hebrew Scriptures. In fact, I would argue that the author of the Koran was incredibly ignorant of the Hebrew Scriptures in general. The Scriptures do not draw the hard line of distinction between the physical and the spiritual as you are attempting to do. Though men and women have many, many things in common, the sacred writers consistently teach that the natures of both men and women are unique because of both biological and psychological differences between them beginning at Genesis 2. There is no question that there are highly educated Episcopalian women. However, I would strongly challenge the assertion that female priests and bishops are pious and spiritual. According to Paul, they would be impious and fleshy because they are in direct disobedience of the apostle's instructions laid out in 1 Cor 14, 1 Tim 2 and 3 and Titus 1. I reject the idea that women were treated like property or cattle in the OT. Your statement assumes facts which are not in evidence. Women are brilliant and educated. It was a woman who invented the windshield wipers. But brilliance and high education alone does not mean a woman is qualified to be a pastor, elder or overseer of a church. I hope this comment finds you well.
So if I get this completely correct, women are not allowed to teach men, and they are not to speak in church. They are not allowed to be elders in the church; they have NO voice or input.
_"They are not allowed to be elders in the church; they have NO voice or input."_ That reminds of me of Genesis 3 where the woman says to the serpent that God said they were not to eat of the fruit, _nor were they to _*_touch_*_ it._ Well, that's not what God said. The woman added that latter restriction. Don't be like the woman in the Garden; don't put words in God's mouth; be content with, and obey, what He has said; enjoy the liberty He has given you.
@Brandt L Hi Brandt. No, I'd say you do not have it completely correct. Women are not allowed to teach men in a formal context like worship, Sunday school, a Bible study or a conference. They can provide their words of wisdom on blogs, podcasts, etc. The office of elder is restricted to qualified males only. Women do have a voice and input which is why Jesus taught women and Paul said "let the women learn". They are to come alongside their husbands and teach their children the Sacred Word accurately.
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And thanks for spreading the gospel. May the blood of Christ cover you. Always remember John 17: 9-19 Jesus prayed over you and that's amazing.
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can you or someone do a video on john MacArthur health. There seems to be confusion/false information about his health. Some say he's fine others say he is still sick. Thank you I really appreciate it.
A woman may not be able to be an elder, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t teach about Christ.
Exactly. We have different roles. That doesn’t make us less. The women in my church hold private bible studies, one on one discipleship, smaller prayer meetings etc. however they do not lead worship and do not preach or teach to the full congregation. That’s just how the Lord instructed.
Completely true.
@@ComeOutOfHerMyPeople And to keep silent in church, but we may not want to be that biblical.
@@jcbb3787 The "keep silent in church" thing has a lot of people up in arms. And it needn't do. The entire premise is that The pastor is supposed to teach the men, and the men teach the women. The whole idea being, why would a woman ask the leader something in church when she can just ask her husband when she gets home. Generally speaking, we don't tend to observe that teaching too much these days, I"m a single woman, so I ask questions, often i ask the pastor via SMS, and he sets up a meeting and we discuss it. When we have bible study pretty well everyone asks questions. We believe that specific teaching refers to what we'd deem our "sunday meetings" and most certainly does not pertain to worship. The very suggestion that women should "keep silent in church" during worship would render many of Gods instructions with regards to worship as null and void if only men could worship. Its interesting to note that in my church we have two prophetesses. One of whom also has the gift of interpretation. We have to acknowledge that the scripture clearly does not require them to "remain silent in church" when under the unction of the Holy Spirit. Its not a hard and fast teaching, but one that has to be understood in the context it was meant by.
Our roles aren't less. they're different.
They can teach other women and children, that’s all folks 😉
Short answer: No!
Long answer: Noooooooooooo!
Haha. That was awesome.
Very true.
And if we want to argue it, just tell us " because Paul said so."
Lol! Amen!
@@PoliteLeader Everyone does that! 😌
I saw the thumbnail and I knew this was going to be great!
Unpopular as all get out, but entirely true. The truth offends, and we should all be this courageous to stand by the Word as you’ve done here. God bless you brother. I’m so glad you’re feeling better.
@Jen Nesset As always, thank you so much for your kind words, Jens. God bless as well and I appreciate it.
Amen and Amen ! 😃
One of the qualifications of an elder is "being a one-woman man". That is not possible for a woman, unless she is lusting after strange flesh (woman for woman).
Not subtracting, just adding.
No! A woman can't be an elder, but it's stupid not to listen to women.
Totally
It's stupid to not listen to those with sound advice
@@toolegittoquit_001 totally, no one said we can't give advice.
@@toolegittoquit_001 Love your doggie picture! 😌
This is a false teaching from the false apostle Paul. Seek and you will find the Truth. Compare Paul's words to Jesus. And then look to see how many direct quotes Paul has from Jesus.
Blessings in Christ!
Amen! Sad so many churches don't follow this guide anymore.
I'm so thankful that ours does!
I never understood the myopia, on this subject. Egalitarians seem to speak as though ALL men get to be elders and church teachers, and that Paul’s writings discriminate against women, specifically. No. *Very few men* qualify, according to the Epistles. And *then* those few, qualified men face greater judgement, yes? It seems to me that those who argue for egalitarianism do not have a healthy enough fear of the Almighty. Paul says these things so clearly, woe betide the women AND the unqualified men who stand at His pulpit in rebellion. I’ll be content to be silent, thank you very much. 😅
Im with you.
I think there are those who equate the equal importance God gives us by virtue of our Father/image giver with other forms of image such as wealth, health, status, rolls. We are all created equally wonderful in Gods eues, DESPITE disparities in wealth, health, status, or rolls. The SJWs want us all to have the same everything, but God clearly made us the same value even if everything else we have is different. The one world order / ala Tower of Babel people really have this all so backwards.
Happily left a "church" who, one day, trotted out a "Pastor Tina." This wasn't a women's group, it was for the whole congregation (I had been attending a few months, but had never heard of her til then).
I called the church to ask if perhaps somewhere in the Bible this was permissable. The person--AND THIS WAS SO TELLING--said he didn't have a Bible in front of him (AT A CHURCH?!), but that "Pastor Tina" felt she had a goft that God would want her to share and it was the church's job to encourage that. I said, "with all due respect, shouldn't "Pastor Tina" deny her desires in favor of what the Lord requires for church leadership as presented in Scripture?" "We dont think God would want her to deny her gift" (!?!?!)
Thank Jesus this lead me straight to a Bible-believing Presbyterisn church that fed my soul and not my ego, that demanded men step up and women support from the side.
Note: of course God asks us to deny ALL kinds of things--especially those that stroke our egos, "Pastor" Tina.
Thank you, Alan. I so enjoy this channel. Bless you.
You are very welcome, Joan and thank you for that blessing! God bless as well.
AMEN and Amen! Keep the good work up brother! We should all work to understand and accept the godly roles of men and women.
Excellent presentation. Thank you, Alan.
“No” for 9 minutes and 9 seconds... 🙏
Brother Alan, were you perhaps a Communications major in college? You have quite the "professional broadcaster" style of delivery in your videos. This is _not_ a criticism, it's just something I've been meaning to ask.
Btw, I'm female and I could not agree with you more! *Women should NOT be in leadership positions in the Church, except when they're teaching/leading other women or children.* _It has nothing to do with sexism. It's about Federal Headship and God's created order._ If some women have a problem with this, they should take it up with God.
Anyway, God bless you, and thank you for what you do! 😊
@emaNyM Hi Sister. No, I actually majored in history in college, but I did get an "A minus" in Speech and Communications. And thank you! That is a very kind compliment. God bless you as well.
@@PoliteLeader you deserved an A+ 🌸
@@ComeOutOfHerMyPeople Haha. Thank you.
@@PoliteLeader your are very intelligent 🤓🧠 and articulate so well! 😌 I'm not so much! 😔 I try to express myself, but it's not easy! 🤔 I love you beautiful precious brother!!! 💞🤗 I learned a new word from DW! Its Ultracrepidarian! At first I thought it wasn't a true word until I looked it up! It was DW's friend who made this remix! ruclips.net/video/ShMA7h2rhso/видео.html
Or be an Episcopalian......we have women priests, deacons, deans and bishops..and they are some of the most sincere, and pious Christians I have ever known.
Older Women, Women!!! I have had the pleasure of sitting under Wonderful Female Bible Teachers who did not call themselves Elders nor did they have a desire to be one!!
That's fantastic, Patricia!
@@PoliteLeader pls how can i study the bible?
Hello Alan , am from Uganda. Your channel blesses me a lot
Not mad at all. As a woman I have enough to manage already and I'd rather deal with those things than try to live up to being a man Jesus would be. That's a big cross and sandles to fill. ✌💗
Umm... Everyone has to strive to be like Jesus. Being a woman or you're busy with work does not make it an exception. We need to follow the example of Christ.
@@sandra0749 That's not the issue addressed in the video, it's deeper than the personal lifestyle of an individual Christian, which is the point of my initial comment. ✌💗
Alan! Thank you for a new video. I’m paying way too much attention to politics, lately. 😖 His kingdom is not of this world.
Maybe Mike Pence doesn't belong in politics, either.
@@breezybird403 🤔😕😦
My pastor taught on Titus and it was just as you did here. These others are saying it’s some other meaning so they can justify a woman in a role “they “ support. Glad I being taught correctly . Thank for teaching truth!!
You are so very welcome!
I do a lot of evangelism on my RUclips account to a wide array of the lost-Catholics, Wiccans, atheists, Scientologists, liberal mainline Protestants, Joel Osteen-Joyce Meyer-Max Lucado followers, etc. and recently was given a nasty exchange from a devotee of Meyer when I explained that, biblically speaking, the office of pastor/elder is male-only. I don’t hate this woman who was speaking to me, as she was using emotion and not the Bible to foster her argument. Prayer for all the future witnessing moments I have would be greatly appreciated. Our world’s churches are filled with those looking to hear what they want, not what they need.
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Thank you for making this video. Can you make a video on what the scripture says what we are supposed to do as women then, what is our roll in church then? :)
I am seeking this answer as well!
Bless you in this Ministry, make a impact to be reckoned with in respects to our current citation of Christianity..
coffee with big al would be fun to say the least
@Tom Billard You are too kind, Tom. I'm sure it would be more fun with you.
Being a member of his church under his instruction and discipleship would also be awesome.
I was priviledged to perform in the investiture Eucharist of the first female Episcopal bishop in the USA....I will always consider it a singular honor bestowed by Christ.....it was truly a day the Lord had made....rejoice and be glad in it.....
Given the episcopal church membership and attendance continues to decline, being proud may not be a correct response unless you dispise the gospel of Christ. Wow pride does come before a fall!
A position within a church that carries with it the authority to make decisions must be held by a male. Many Baptist churches around me have a head pastor, a few staff, and deacons. I find it to be a bad practice to use the word deacon in place of elder as it leads to confusion. The real problem in these churches is that many church choices are left to a church wide vote, completely removing any power from the eldership and putting it in the hands of anyone who is a 'member'.
Oh boy...once again having to reassess the doctrine I was raised on... so much was just so wrong... so much re-examining.
Hey Rick!!...Awesome video Mr. Dude. I know as strong women we want to be able to share our love and passion of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We should definitely do that, but we need to remember God himself put down an order of leadership both at home, and in society. We are to submit to the husbands, not to be ruled over so much, but to be taught and protected. If a man is submitting to God and honesty trying to follow God's commands, why would we not submit to him and trust he has our best interests at heart? The same in the church. God clearly said men should Pastor churches and Church deacons are to be men. That is what Paul said...we can't change it just because we don't like it . It does not make us less than, or weaker than males. It just means God has other intentions and roles for us females. I know my opinion isn't popular. I don't always like it. I come from an abusive past, I know it can be hard to submit and feel safe and valued. But,, in my opinion...we have to. We need to trust God will put us under kind and gentle, but firm male leaders, both at home, and in church.
Ok, Mr. Vest Dude....God be with you always. 🙂 🙏 ✌.
@Bobbi Patrick Hey Carol. Thanks so much for your comment and for sharing. I wholeheartedly concur with what you said and thanks for your help on this.
@@PoliteLeader you're welcome. 🙂
Amen, well said.
Thank you!
Thanks Brother Allen, I appreciate your ministry. I am amazed by women who say God told them to be a pastor in the church. In particular, I was told by one female assistant to a quote female "pastor", she could preach to men, but if a male needed prayer, he would have to seek a male for it; because that's what God told her to do. Needless to say I was blown away with such an answer. It's amusing to see how Paul's words are either taken out of context, or completely ignored.🤔
Be blessed,
Dalton
@William Dalton You’re welcome and thanks for sharing that story.
She actually to the opposite of what she should stands for.
Absolutely agree Bro Allen 💯 🙏💪👍❤️
It's so sad to see women in the Church grasping at straws and sounding so desperate to place themselves in a position that God, nor Jesus ever assigned to them. These women need to take Paul's advice. He told the church that not everyone should be teaching because those of us who teach are judged more strictly than others. And every time that I hear a woman open her mouth and say things like what she was teaching, it just confirms the fact that they are the weaker vessels and need to be submitted to a man. No matter how much the Lord allows women to do in the Kingdom and in the Church; no matter all the gifts that they can have and the impact that they can have teaching Christ, it never seems to be enough for them. No, they want to be equal. And unfortunately, God will never allow a woman to have authority over a man in his Church. They just need to accept it and let him use them in the capacity that He can.
Both my brothers in law are Christian, one is a studied minister. They, among others, have given me the excuse that there now can be women in leadership because not enough men are stepping up. My retort is 1. Where's the proof? 2. God will not make adjustments in His commands 3. He provided the ram, He'll provide the man. Your take on this discourse?
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Amen.
The Bible is completely clear Elders as in leaders and Deacons are to be the husband of one wife. The later elder and widows are about aged people
Amen! Thank you Polite Leader. I agree with EVERYTHING you said! I must say that your timing is amazing and providential. Last night on Ref Net Radio, I listened to a podcast "Nancy Guthrie answers listeners questions" (September 2020) I was very disturbed by this! Her Husband David was interviewing her about her beginnings as a Bible Teacher. Alan, would you please listen to this podcast if you have the time? Then could you please explain to me how it is that she is allowed to teach the Bible on a "Reformed Protestant" radio station? To God be the Glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen
You're very welcome, Victoria! I'm so glad it could be so timely!
Deacons next please and I'd like to know your view on women who street preach on there own.
Women absolutely can (and are commanded to) evangelize to everyone
Sharing the Gospel has no gender considerations. Sista Gurls, share the Gospels as you feel led without restrictions.
@@justrhonda16 ,
Why so polemic against men? There is nothing wrong with asking the brother for his thoughts and I know of many mem who do preach to the very people you minister to.
I have and I know of many others. The Christian world is larger than your individual experience.
We are all on the same team.
@@justrhonda16 I'm there with you sister. I'm inside a downtown Gospel Mission discipling the men and teaching them the Bible. Just because you don't see us doesn't mean we're not there. We go where God leads us, just like you.
You can spread the gospel but you cannot be an elder if you are a woman. You can only preach to younger women and children (young boys and young girls.)
Please do a video on Mike Todd
I believe God created men and women equal; however, throughout scripture, the spiritual leadership has always been male. God has charged both men and women to go and make disciples of all nations.
He created them as equal children of God, but with very different functions and roles.
Paul describes them serving not leading brother. she is serving by supporting other believers in hardship. everyone who wants to can support others that is a roll for all Christians not just leaders or elders
Hidden LED strip somewhere on the left to lighten the wall poster.. just throwing it out there :) Lighting and picture is looking much, much better than before. Thanks for the hard work in delivering information.
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Hey PL have you seen the jubelee video of middle ground on liberal vs conservative christians? They even got God Is Grey in the show
@HerveyShmervy I haven't seen all of it. I'm not sure I want to do another video critiquing her. One seems like enough.
Can women do anything in the church besides teaching other women?
You should react to the new Jubilee video on Progressive Christians versus conservative Christians
It seems to me that it was laid out in the beginning of the Bible .
No
Yes
What is your understanding of complementarianism? I understood it to mean men and women have different roles to play, both essential to the body of Christ. Yet it does not (so far as known to me) teach that women have a role as leadership or teachers (except when teaching other women, or perhaps children).
Here you go.
itsgoodtobeaman.com/complementarianism-presupposes-androgynism/
@@PoliteLeader It says 15 minutes to read, that was enough to read the introduction though. So far it gives me a really strawman taste; his response to CBMW is that it works from a defense position to preserve some complementary roles, but fails to recognize that men and women have distinct purposes in life. I think that this response is willfully uncharitable to CBMW by highlighting that they do not recognize these purposes, but rather think/talk about roles. To do so he intentionally downplays the significance of the word role and contrasts it with purpose, an approach that is just playing with words to make a point in my view.
Whether you call it roles or purposes, the CBMW does recognize that men and women have different roles/purposes, and that our culture at large is rejecting these. Then he goes on to state that society as a whole is left out of the statement and calls that negligent. That is simply because he is holding a wrong idea of the Church's role/purpose in society, not because the CBMW is lacking in their statement. The Church has never had the calling to rule over society, but rather to reflect Jesus towards a godless society. The CBMW therefore took the intentional position to not enforce Christian values onto a godless world. Such a situation will not occur in this world, but in the one to come.
All in all I think the article is distorting the complementary view in order to push another view. Say if the world is at 1 and the Church should be at 10, complementarianism is a 9 but the article's view is an 11; neither is closer to that 10.
Can you look into Dana Coverstone? He has quite a following :( . I appreciate your teachings. Thank you.
My sister, for one, believe in this heretic.
@@deborahparrish2201 many do. Praying for them
Amen
If you are splitting hairs, then only Jewish men can be elders in the sense of offices. Let's go looking for born again old Jews only. The other possibility is to simply spread the good news knowing church today is not always meeting in homes as much. Cultural differences exist in a world where women are better educated.
I would advise those reading to look into Nick Quient’s views on Women in the Church if looking for an opposing view on the issue.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge💯% Truth! 🤗
A woman is to learn quietly with full submission. I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
1 Timothy 2:11-13 CSB
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge I disagree....much of the near East is still that Misogynistic.....thinking Westerners have evolved a bit beyond that sort of primitivism....
I am in a bible study and one of the women in my group might be the strongest biblical leader in my life. We have gone through 5 or 6 churches in the last 8 years and we have not found a leader yet (including saddleback rick warren). Jack Hibbs seems like a solid Christian leader but i need to get more experience.
Hello brother, love the content. Just wanted to let you know, just in case you haven’t noticed, on this video as most of the past few, there’s a high pitch buzz going on. You may be aware of this and already addressed it, but just wanted to let you know in case you missed it. God bless!
Thanks for your kind words. I hear it slightly, not very high. Nobody else has mentioned it, so I'm not sure. God bless as well.
@@PoliteLeader I thought it was just my phone, and it may be, but other RUclips vids hadn’t done it. About 4 or 5 different ones I’ve listened to has it. Most of the time I’m on the road when I’m listening, so I didn’t notice it. But no big deal! Doesn’t take away from the content!
Hi Allen I may sound like a broken record here. I do appreciate your sensitivity towards this topic I don’t find you hostile about This. There is one brother video I do listen too he’s a good guy and on point but I just feel like when it comes to the subject of women elders he’s intense. Please don’t think I’m gossiping about him. I enjoy his videos as well. I don’t understand why this scripture is one that bothers me as a female. I understand roles that God has made. It bothers me to no end that I feel like this. In a way I feel like Paul Is giving women less capabilities than me. Maybe it’s just me. I’m hoping one day that this will not bother me. Again thank you for another great video. God bless you brother
@valerie mckenna You’re welcome! God bless as well!
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge I disagree....Paul was a 1st Century Jew...with all of the societal taboos suggested therein....
No.
Are Christians allowed to re marry after divorce?
Who was 2 John 1 written? It was too a female elder
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
~ 2 Peter 3
It honestly seems to me that some women are so desperate to prove things about women being pastors they are getting desperate but Scripturally and in context the verses they cite simply doesn’t mean what they so desperately wish it did Biblically women just can’t be pastors or leaders over men in the church
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I have a question, could a woman be a chaplain in a woman's prison?
1 Timothy 2:12-14
English Standard Version
12 (A)I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 (B)For Adam was formed first, (C)then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but (D)the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
Its about having authority over a man. The teaching and having authority over other women or children is permitted.
Has anyone been watching the ‘patriot nurse’ who I like and respect. I’m just not sure I agree with her on her recent post about prayer walking. It made me think of word of faith, or speak it in to existence theology. Any thoughts on her last two posts, anyone?
oh wow, it's been months (years?) since I've seen Patriot Nurse. I'm not sure how I came across her in the first place, but I understand her to be a Christian. If she is promoting "prayer walking," she is dabbling in dangerous doctrines. When I was in a Pentecostal church, we did prayer walking. While some engaged in this practice may not get into the "demon" aspect of it, the "normal" practice does stem from the belief that demons are local or regional and that the prayer walkers are reclaiming that location or region for Christ (basically, casting out demons over a geographic location by walking through that location while praying for deliverance for the inhabitants).
@@carolberubee yea, I’m not sure how I came across her either, but I did and subbed to her channel. I wasn’t really hearing anything questionable until her last couple posts. I’m thinking she is very much pentecostal/ Assembly of God. Watch her recent post and tell me what you think.
@@carolberubee Hey there, Sis!! I saw some of her videos a while back; like you, I don't know how I came across her, but I never really got into listening to her. I DO listen to Susan Heck, who only teaches women - she comes highly recommended by Justin Peters. With all kinds of weird female teachers, hearing the Word soundly preached by another female is refreshing, to say the least. May the Lord bless you richly 🤗🤗
@@Kenlydford After watching her last two videos, here is my first impression. I may be wrong, but I would say she is in the Messianic Jew movement, which does have a Charismatic element at its foundation.
In her last video, she uses all the usual Pentecostal language -- her emphasis on the significance of geographic borders, walking a perimeter, mourning the supposed lack of opposition (by the Church) in the spiritual realm, the exhortation to stand against the powers of darkness, speaking (the powers of the tongue), praying for the Spirit to lead you (in something the epistles to the Church do not instruct us to do).
So, she relies on a few passages in Deuteronomy and the Psalms specifically for Israel, but ignores Paul's instructions to the Church in Ephesians 6 regarding principalities and powers in the heavenlies.
@@Mary_Kraensel Hello, my beloved sister! I've heard of Susan Heck, but haven't listened to her. I mainly learn from old dead guys, very few men today, and even fewer women. lol.
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Can women be leaders over God’s people? OT - Yes, in the NT - No. what happen? With the coming of the gospel, women do not have the same value as they did before the coming of Christ? Was this Christ teaching or Paul cultural setting? Please explain?
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
@@CLM1987 thank you for that great scripture from Paul’s letter to the, then out of control church at Corthin some 2,000 years ago. Doesn’t answer my question, but I appreciate your input sir.
Its funny to me how many modern Christian denominations cherry-pick their theology to make it match their own personal likes and dislikes. I’m going to bet that almost all church use chapter 14 as a commandment to silence women, but will ignore the rest of Paul’s instructions in this chapter on church order and desiring the gifts.
Pathetic. Not directed to you, just in general.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge
Seriously?
So was Deborah a Judge over God’s people or not? Hmmmmm? Its a yes or no question. What does the scriptures say? Try Judges chapter four verse four.
“Now Deborah, a prophetress, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at the time.”
Huh.... look at that.
Who was Judging the people of Israel? Who was it? What was that person’s name?
Again, that was found Judges 4:4. In the OT. The Bible.
And just so we are clear about what a Judge is and who appointed Judges over Israel following the conquest or “almost” conquest of the promise lands via Joshua’s campaign:
“Then the Lord raised up judges, who saved them out of the hand of those who plundered them.
Judges 2:16
I’m not even going to entertain the rest of your comment as it is all conjecture unless you got sone sort of Bible verse to back it up.
And, seriously, please don’t comment if you’re not going to use or even recognize scripture. I’m not interested in your denominational background or theology or what your pastor told you about this subject, Scripture, God’s word...out of the Bible is all I care about. Its all that matters.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge
Mark. Deborah was a Judge. She Judged over Israel. Israel was God’s people. Context! Context of scripture. You can do it using reverse logic too. Who was Deborah the Judge over if not God’s people? No liberties here...
Again, no scripture., I quoted scripture and gave you the verses. Your responses:
#1. Based on your own commentary on some twist logic about Judges and ruling over God’s people. What? Keep in mind, we are ultimately talking about women and if they can be elders in the church? So what’s with this weak argument about semantics. (Judge is a Deliverer vs Leader, they were not rulers? ) Judges, Delivers, Elders, Pastors, these are all leadership roles. Who said anything about rulers? Women cannot be elders because they where never rulers? So you think church elders are the same as rulers? Ruling over God’s people? What like kings?) oh my Lord, what a mess. Nooooo. (I can’t believe I’m even entertaining this).
Judge in this context is a leadership role, seriously look it up in the Hebrew if you need to. Samson was a judge and led Israel for 20 years. That’s not my logic or my opinion, that’s scripture (Judges 16:31 NIV). See what I did, that”s called backing your argument up with scripture. I’m not trying to be mean, but it just amazes me how people, Christians know very little about scripture. Sorry to say, but That’s how my arguments will always Trump your human logic. The fact that Samson did a horrific job as a leader does not mean he was not a leader (judge) who led Israel. He did lead Israel, how do I know he led Israel, because of Judge 16:31 and if you actually read the book starting in chapter 13, it tells you the entire story of how bad of a job he did LEADING Israel. At not point does the story say “he no longer led Israel” at least not until his death. Seriously, we are not talking rocket science here. Mark you are killing me.
Your argument #2 and #3 are purely based on your denomination and doctrinal beliefs.
Fine. The body of Christ consist of multiple members. That;s why there are thousands of Christian denomination all over the world, Catholics, JW’s Pentecostal, Methodist, Baptist (which I’m guessing you hail from) Mormons, Greek Orthodox, Coptic, all with their own rules of do’s and don’t. Different beliefs, some more legalistic some more grace-based.
And let’s be clear. If you and your church hold to this doctrine of women oppression, that’s fine with me. I have no problem with it. To each his own, we all need to stand before the Lord and give an account of our own actions, so it doesn’t bother me either way. I just posed the question. At least the other guy who commented used scripture. You? Nope. Not sure how you can talk about the Bible without using the Bible. That says a lot about you.
The Bible (both OT & NT) is always the final authority. Not your doctrine. If your doctrine doesn’t square with Bible then, either your doctrine or the Bible is in error. Which, I reason, is why you provide NO scripture. Seriously, it’s a great book, you should read it some times, or are you afraid of what you’ll find?
If you won’t use scripture and just doctrine, that’s fine, but You should be honest and say so. I could respect that position. Something like, “I know God had appointed women as Judges in the Old Testament to lead his people, but because Paul said that women should not be elders in the Corinthian church because they were too disrupting in the Corinthian church services and since these woman in Corthin had this issue of distracting people and asking questions to their husbands instead of waiting till they got home, this is solid grounds to change things up and NEVER ever, under any circumstances allow women any sort of leadership role....ever. Christians should ignore the OT when it does not agree with our teaching and we should limit and restrict women’s role because the God we serve changed his mind about many things and women leadership from the OT to the NT is one of them.
Obviously you use your theology to drive your believes instead of God’s word. Hey, that’s fine, to each his own. Just know that that’s what you are doing.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge
No Mark. I’ve mentioned this more than once. You can’t say you gave me scripture without quoting a book, chapter or verse. That is not “giving scripture”, that is giving your commentary, which I previously mentioned, I’m not interested in. Bible doctrine should not be based on opinions or commentary, they are based on the Bible and identifying where and which and what scriptures you are using to base your doctrine on. If you think major Christian doctrine can be based on the commentary of man and not scripture, then own up to it and admit that that is what you are doing.
I knew this was going to happen.
You gave me an exact quote when God stated the role of Judges in Israel? You did this without giving a verse or chapter or book? An “exact quote?” If you gave an exact quote without quoting scripture, who exactly did you quote? Are you saying you have the ability to quote God without using his word (the Bible)?
The bottom line is that you have, thus far failed to answer my question.
In the OT God appointment Judges as leaders over the people of Israel. His people. One of those judges was a female. It’s a leadership role (judges). This post is about women not being about to have leadership roles in the church per Paul via 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. Even though when you read these verses, it says nothing about women having or not having leadership roles, just that they shouldn’t be talking to their husbands during the church service. How people get that is beyond me, fine. Whatever.
My question is what changed between the OT and the NT? Did the coming of Jesus restrict the role of women?
Your answer was Deborah was a Judge but did not ruler and because she did not rule, she was not a leader.
Me: Okay, you claim that being a Judge and operating in the capacity of Judge, as in the case of Deborah, is not a leadership role because she was never a ruler over the people of Israel. Okay. where’s the scripture backing up your claim?
You: I did give you scripture. I gave you an exact quote.
Me: Without using scripture? What was the book, chapter and verse? You can’t give or quote scripture without a scripture reference.
There are no scripture reference that state that Deborah was NOT a Judge or that God did NOT appoint Deborah as a Judge, as he did with all the other Judges in the book of Judges, or that the role of being a Judge is NOT a leadership role.
No scriptures in the Bible are available to directly back up your claim like they back up my claim.
You can take scriptures out of context or pretend the position of a Judge is not a leadership role and play with the semantics of words, but in the end. You have a doctrinal position that loosely works using Paul’s 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 in the NT but is incompatible in the OT.
Regarding my original question, I see a scriptural contradiction. Can you or can’t you prove otherwise using scripture? Not commentary or you church;s position, scripture? Yes or no?
No more debate if you reject this doctrine you are simply not a Christian.
Book of Timothy KJV
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge seems as though you've read all the books except Timothy.
Or have you added onto the gospels
By dening the book of Timothy you are literally teaching a different Gospel
Just look at the bible the scripture is there regardless of your political beliefs
@Mark OnTheBlueRidgeif you don't like KJV that's NIV. I can show you the same scripture in esv,asv,berean study bible, and pretty much all credible translations.
11A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
I personally would be indifferent to women leadership but because I believe in the entire bible. I hold too it's teachings no matter how contraversal.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge last question have you ever read the entire book of Timothy? (Not satire)
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge also I never said women cannot be saved on the contrary the verse actually refers to women and salvation meaning they can be saved.
I simply quoted Timothy where it says women are not too teach nor userp athourity over men
@Mark OnTheBlueRidgelet's see what Jesus said regarding belief in the gospel.
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
When are you going to make an ALL RELIGION EXPOSED video???
Its ALL a bunch of malarkey.
What do you mean elders? As an elder counsel member? Yes, they can...as women need also theirs ministering elder...
but not the main leader, or as the final authority...
Remember: aquila & priscilla.
And Jesus minister is with women.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge is taking care of the poor & needy in church not a office?
Your Christianity is too patriarchal... but thats not what Jesus is telling...
Yes, the office of women has a limit... but they also play a key role for the church..
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge you dont have a group in your church that in charge of charity? Or you leadership just past the task in its individual members & exempted theirselves.
Read: James 1:27
Its sad, that other church leadership is not into charity, they just past it on the members... then themselves live in luxurious mansion but claim only for evangelism.
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge one is placing them as deacon... but a helper to church...
As the church of God is inclusive... not exclusive..
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge
Do you help in church regulation? Or church decision-making? If not your just a member that help..
What does deacon do? What are their task?
Are things that nice & warm fuzzy, vague? Meaningless? So what are the things that have meaning now?
Is Judas born again? How do you know how is born again?
No!
Ayyyee gender piety gang! I too have been greatly influenced by Bnonn and Michael's wisdom.
of course women can be elders. Ephesians 4;11-12 says "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" These verses show that God chooses apostles from among people. women are not discriminated, women are not excluded. also, if the Bible talks about women prophetesses then why not apostles, pastors teachers and evangelists? what is the role of those in the office of prophet pastor teacher and apostle? teach and equip saints for ministry. so this one passage of Scripture proves that women can teach and preach and be pastors prophets apostles evangelists and teachers and have authority over men. just as men. if of course God called a given man and a given woman to the office of fivefold ministry.
in romans 16;2 we read that Phoebe was a helper in the church. the word helper (succourer) in greek "prostatis and means: properly, a woman set over others.
b. a female guardian, protectress, patroness
It all depends on the maturity of a person, not gender. when a person serves people in their place where God puts them and they are faitful, full of love, mature then God can use them more and more and makes them a vessel for honorable use. the below verse shows clearly that the person themselves decides whether they are ready for honorable use or not by their pure holy faithful life. gender has nothing to do with that
2 tim 2;21 "So if someone cleanses himself of such behavior, he will be a vessel for honorable use, set apart, useful for the Master, prepared for every good work."
For any woman who is watching this video, please know there are churches that value your voice without condition.
Not biblical churches. I would not risk my soul with churches that ignore scripture based on social narrative of the day.
@@nicholasgee9127 "Social narrative of the day" women have been lead by the spirit of God for leadership since the begging.
@@lukeinMN
Only when a Israel was in judgment was women in charge.
'Man and Woman He creatd them....one of Robin Williams' 10 reasons to be Episcopalian....
One of the others is" "you dont have to check your brain at the church door!".........
@Mark OnTheBlueRidge Dont confuse Near Eastern social taboos with the word of God......
No. Women cannot be an elder UNLESS there are no men available.
What Scripture says that?
@@Mary_Kraensel Before answering that, do you hold to the Regulative Principal of Worship? That means, do you agree and believe that we are not to worship God in a way that either He has decreed in His Word by specific commands or necessary inferences, using logic, applied to the propositions contained therein? In other words, we should only worship God by ways He has commanded and not subtract from or add to His own means of worship and order for His church.
I don’t consider myself to be theologically liberal, but I haven’t really made up my mind on this issue. I think there are verses that can support traditional and equalitarian views. Personally, I would probably lean more towards the traditional view, but there are reputable Christian scholars, such as N. T. Wright, who take the opposite view. When it comes to the area of female leadership, we must understand that this is a policy issue, not a sin issue.
Since when is disobeying Paul's commands not a sin issue? (btw, Wright is not a "reputable Christian scholar." He can't even get justification right.)
What ever the Bible says we must do. No wiggle room.
@Joseph Logsdon Hi Joseph. I would strongly agree with Carol. Dr. Wright is not a sound Christian scholar by any means. His understanding of Paul's doctrine of justification is heretical and he often makes outlandish statements such as claiming Lazarus was not really resurrected from the dead.
@@Blue-moon12 I never said that we shouldn’t, but there are differences between moral issues and policy issues.
@@PoliteLeader I’m not saying I agree with him on everything, but I have learned a lot from him. He certainly knows more about the Bible than many pastors do.
Can't some see that Paul's letters are mostly false? Seek Jesus' words, he spoke with women and treated them with respect. In Genesis, mankind is Male and Female alike. So many distractions from Paul. Disregard his words and only trust Jesus. So many try to explain away Paul.
None of Paul's letters are false.Only people who reject Gods Word attack Paul.
@@youdum please ask YHWH for the truth. Don’t close your eyes.
Proverbs 18:13 NKJV
[13] He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him.
@@TheShutterbug1968 so do we pick and choose which parts we agree and follow and which to disregard in the bible now?
@@nyambsdeborah8954 somebody picked and chose what’s in the Bible as many know it today. Research and see for yourself. Jesus says my sheep will know my voice. Also read about the women Jesus encountered in the Bible. Very interesting if you seek you will find.
@@TheShutterbug1968 ??. If somebody picked and chose what's in the bible today as you claim, then God didn't preserve His word. And how can I know that when I read the gospels, I am reading the true accounts of Christ?
Polite Leader...and why do you think that scripture is based on Patriarchy? Is it the word of God, or is it mere Middle Eastern misogyny as practiced by the Hebrew race since its inception, and is still present today in the Near East and especially in the Muslim lands.....we are speaking of spiritual things here, not mere anatomy....our female priests, deacons, and BISHOPS in the Episcopal Church are as learned, pious and spiritual as any male prelate I have ever met....(moreso than in many evangelical style parishes)....
Enlightened thinking in this regard is not anti scriptural nor anti Godly....women are not property on a par with good cattle as they were in the Old Testament any longer...they are brilliant, well educated human beings, nothing less.....
@David Davenport Hi David. Thanks for your comment. Patriarchy is not misogyny. The two terms and concepts are mutually exclusive. Patriarchy means father rule while misogyny means hatred of women. I believe that the Scriptures as a collective whole teach patriarchy because in the Bible, the leadership duties in the family, the church and human society are under male authority. The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the infallible Word of God and they are not based on Ancient Near Eastern misogyny. There is no meaningful parallel between the ancient Hebrew civilization and the modern Islamic states. Islamic rule is dictated by prescriptions laid out in the Qur'an and the Hadith, not the Hebrew Scriptures. In fact, I would argue that the author of the Koran was incredibly ignorant of the Hebrew Scriptures in general. The Scriptures do not draw the hard line of distinction between the physical and the spiritual as you are attempting to do. Though men and women have many, many things in common, the sacred writers consistently teach that the natures of both men and women are unique because of both biological and psychological differences between them beginning at Genesis 2. There is no question that there are highly educated Episcopalian women. However, I would strongly challenge the assertion that female priests and bishops are pious and spiritual. According to Paul, they would be impious and fleshy because they are in direct disobedience of the apostle's instructions laid out in 1 Cor 14, 1 Tim 2 and 3 and Titus 1. I reject the idea that women were treated like property or cattle in the OT. Your statement assumes facts which are not in evidence. Women are brilliant and educated. It was a woman who invented the windshield wipers. But brilliance and high education alone does not mean a woman is qualified to be a pastor, elder or overseer of a church. I hope this comment finds you well.
God has no bias on who he uses . Deborah was a leader. This is such false horse manure . Your teaching are silly
Deborah was only a leader in name only. She never lead the Israelites into war
So if I get this completely correct, women are not allowed to teach men, and they are not to speak in church. They are not allowed to be elders in the church; they have NO voice or input.
_"They are not allowed to be elders in the church; they have NO voice or input."_ That reminds of me of Genesis 3 where the woman says to the serpent that God said they were not to eat of the fruit, _nor were they to _*_touch_*_ it._ Well, that's not what God said. The woman added that latter restriction. Don't be like the woman in the Garden; don't put words in God's mouth; be content with, and obey, what He has said; enjoy the liberty He has given you.
@Brandt L Hi Brandt. No, I'd say you do not have it completely correct. Women are not allowed to teach men in a formal context like worship, Sunday school, a Bible study or a conference. They can provide their words of wisdom on blogs, podcasts, etc. The office of elder is restricted to qualified males only. Women do have a voice and input which is why Jesus taught women and Paul said "let the women learn". They are to come alongside their husbands and teach their children the Sacred Word accurately.
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