I haven’t read or heard the Edge described by ASICS as a shorter distance racer, but rather in some comments by runners who may find the geometry more aggressive. ASICS seems stuck on the biomechanical distinction (emphasizing cadence vs stride length), however, some reviewers have speculated that the Sky might work better for midfoot/forefoot strikers and the Edge for midfoot/heel strikers. Basically one has to try them both. I have (though not side by side) and I’d be hard-pressed to say the difference is “striking” (pun intended!) but as a very high cadence mostly midfoot striker, the Edge did feel like it pitched me forward a bit more whereas the Sky provided more vertical bounce. Regardless, the difference is subtle, they have the same drop and amount of cushion. One other thing: My coach’s wife is a shoe specialist who has consulted for several major brands and she asserts that nearly all runners get wear on that lateral patch alongside the heel. After touching down there we generally pronate onto wherever our full landing is before toeing off again. True heel strikers get wear in the very back portion of the heel. And yes, most runners heel strike more when tired (including pros) which is why there’s ample heel cushion in both models.
Mostly agree however I do find the differences to be clearer for me. With the Sky Paris it keeps me heel to midfoot and I struggle to get onto my toes. I just don't activate the plate. With the Edge this works much better and I roll and sink into the forefoot after landing midfoot. The Sky puts a much bigger strain on my Achilles. They went back and I love the Edge. The difference in plate position is huge for me.
Brilliant Martha. Very insightful. I went and looked it up on the ASICS site and there is something about powering through the wall 30km in so it’s definitely intended to be a marathon shoe. I saw an instagram post with every brand and their shoe for intended distance + other reviewers talking about it for short distance both seeded that idea 💡 in my head. There is a roll through for the shoe but it’s very subtle compared to other super shoes I’ve tried and I think it’s like because the bounce mutes it a bit. I’ll have to look for true heel damage on my old shoes - thanks !
@@Fozzee.1970Thank you for this very helpful feedback. It sounds like you were able to try them much more thoroughly than I to get a more solid comparison, and you reinforced my impression from only trying one (Sky) in a running store and the other (Edge) much later at the Boston pop up. You’ve corroborated my hunch that the Edge would work much better for my biomechanics.
@@MidLifeRunnerYou’re far from the only one who ran across that use-case distinction idea, but it seems logical the forward-pitch of the Edge’s roll geometry would make the it seem more aggressive and therefore preferred for HM and under for some runners who would otherwise choose the Sky for marathons.
Hey Andrew, quick suggestion for you! If you’re a veteran (I believe you are), Asics offers a 25% military discount when you buy directly through their site, which seems to apply to all their shoes! i.e. I was able to snag the Metaspeed Edge Paris for $188 and the Novablast 4s for $105 🙌 Hope this is helpful and great video as always 🙂✌️
Not going to lie. But I’m here waiting for Floberg’s full interview 🫣 521 miles in the old version of ASICS metaspeed 🤔 Interesting. Great review Andrew 👍🏼
I’ll get there one day though I’ve heard him answer my questions in the Matt Fox interview and believe in the run. At this point it will be like “yeah I already heard that “
@@MidLifeRunner maybe so, but sometimes the interviewer might ask it differently or funnier than d others. 🤷🏻♂️. That’s why we are here. But it’s ok, when you do, I’ll still watch it. Everything for the algo 😁.
Fellow Alphafly 3 sweepstakes failure here. Ugh. My one issue with this shoe is stability. I like a narrow/nimble shoe, especially for racing, but this one can be rough on cambered roads and non-optimal pavement. Beyond that it is wonderful though.
Props to you for highlighting how different race distances warrant different "optimal", "super" shoes🤓. Also, thanks for skipping the running footage. Also, also, just ordered an alligator and a bear, RUclips channel coming next. 🐻🦎
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@Midlife Runner you picked the wrong shoe if you land mid to forefoot. The Sky Paris' has more flare (therefore more foam) on the forefoot and the plate is closer to the foot, which means you will compress more foam when you land mid to forefoot and will get more energy return. If you are a heel striker the Edge might be best because the rocker starts earlier and you will get a faster turnover when you land on the heel. Something to think about.
Good video mate, and made better without the split personality shenanigans 😏 going to try and pick up a pair of the Sky Paris, but currently sold out in the UK
My "speciality" is racing/winning 5k races, i used to prefer af1 as a stride runner (1.6m stride lenght), I have tested pretty much all supershoes .. the results are always very close so I think AF1 is great for 5k, especially if you use Tempo Next% for training
Would love to see you review the superblast vs this shoe, as it doesn't have a plate. But some runners do say they would have no problem running a marathon with it. Curious to see how they would compare.
That was my fault . I saw one of those charts on instagram where they have every shoe company and their shoe of choice for certain distances. Coupled with other reviewers saying they’d use it for 5k distance, I thought it was more official . However ASICS intended it as a marathon shoe
Hi i really like you Videos ✌️ Have you run in the Saucony Endorphin Elite in comparison or in the Adios Pro 3? I really like this Shoes but this new Metaspeed Edge are so insanely light. If this Shoe is in Discount i buy it probaly too😅
MLrunner - can you recommend a great cushioned running shoe for me? I am not looking to run halfs again, just your basic 5k. I have high arches and need cushioning. THANKS!
🤔 🤔 if you’re springing for a super shoe and pushing the pace,I would recommend the new balance sc elite v4. Stable max cushion I would say the Hoka skyward x. More unstable and fun cushion, the mizuno Neo vista or the Nike invincible 3. Would test those in a store though to see how your feet get on with them.
Exceptions to I skip the running footage (Andy the FOD runner 'its really what he is about'), Eric Floberg (any skipping is a crime ) and sweat elite (skip and you are kind of missing the point)... but then I am one of those weird folk that may pause a vlog for hours... like going on my long run shortly before I finish this .. but will always finish a until the end .. and try and comment with something to help the algorithm.
Every little bit helps and is appreciated. I, too, squeeze every second of watch time for my fellow content creators. It takes a lot of work to produce and for full time workers, dads and as someone who wants to train, workout and sleep to get faster? To make RUclips happen each week is a tiny miracle.
With ASICS, I was waiting for a sale on the Superblast and on the Metaspeed edge/SKy + and the discounts NEVER happened. So when the Paris series came out, I just bought it at full price. That being said, I can't compare the two because I never tried it. I do think the Edge Paris is a "half and under" shoe. It's probably just a bit bouncier with more foam in the forefoot, I would imagine
@@MidLifeRunner I have no doubt that the added structure will have great results. I would only add that the weather could impede results. You might have to wait for less humid conditions
What books do you like (genre)? My wife has a book Instagram and reads about 3 a week. It’s been a long time since I’ve had time to read. Ironically, all the running books I’ve purchased are on kindle
What’s up big nuts hahaha. Carbon shoe question for newbie. Only carbon shoes I have are Saucony Pro 3 and use for speed runs. Every time I use them, my calves are sore for days afterwards and few months back I had Achilles pain for quite sometime after a marathon training long run. Is that due to bad form, where the plate is located, weak legs, etc. Sorry for vague question but curious if a shoe like this would be any different for my bitch legs.
Since carbon plates are stiff so prevent shoes from bending and this is the 1st CP shoe you’ve tried, it may be altering your mechanics in a way that’s causing that. The plated race shoes compensate for their rigidity by having a roll geometry but each brand’s is different and it may not suit your stride. Normally I would wonder if they’re a lower drop (differential between the heel and toe stack height) than your other shoes, which can work the back of your legs more, but the Endo Pro3 are an 8 mm drop which isn’t that low unless you’re used to 10 mm or more. The Asics race shoes have an even lower drop so if that has anything to do with your issues they wouldn’t help. Also curious for reference what are your other shoes that do not cause this?
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 thanks for the reply! I do most my runs in the Speed 4, before that were the Speed 3. I’ve tried other shoes that are “max cushion” but they always seem too firm and always resort back to the speeds. I’m still relatively new to running to still trying to find exactly what’s right for me but my max week was 50 miles and 90% of that were in the Speed 4 and never had any pain or issue even at uptempo days.
No Justin, I do Achilles strengthening every week with heavy calf loading, slow descents . The ONLY shoe that bothers my Achilles is the endo pro 3. When I was between marathons I did 4 weeks at 80 miles and I had to cut a long run short because of the shoe. I thought at the time it was overuse but I think it is the shoe and how it forces my roll through and dorsiflexion. I didn’t have a problem in the speed 3. I would suggest a higher plated shoe like an alphafly or sky Paris . Vaoorlfy works my calves too so would stay away from that one .
@@MidLifeRunner Awesome, thanks! I don't have any speed races till December so I wanted to spend the summer/fall trying to find the right shoe for me to break PB without too much damage. Thanks for the feedback!
@MidLifeRunner That’s really interesting! I’d be curious if the Endorphin Pro4 causes the same problem for you, because that’s my current marathon shoe which I plan to use for CIM this December. Calf cramps slowed me down in Chicago halfway through last Oct in v3 but I think that was not the fault of the shoe (probably went out too fast but can’t be 100% sure).
It’s in the mail Sir Thomas! Thanks for leveling some expectation. I’ve been hearing positive reviews and trying to land the shoe for so long, I hadn’t even entertained the idea it might not be all that it’s hyped to be
I haven’t read or heard the Edge described by ASICS as a shorter distance racer, but rather in some comments by runners who may find the geometry more aggressive. ASICS seems stuck on the biomechanical distinction (emphasizing cadence vs stride length), however, some reviewers have speculated that the Sky might work better for midfoot/forefoot strikers and the Edge for midfoot/heel strikers. Basically one has to try them both. I have (though not side by side) and I’d be hard-pressed to say the difference is “striking” (pun intended!) but as a very high cadence mostly midfoot striker, the Edge did feel like it pitched me forward a bit more whereas the Sky provided more vertical bounce. Regardless, the difference is subtle, they have the same drop and amount of cushion. One other thing: My coach’s wife is a shoe specialist who has consulted for several major brands and she asserts that nearly all runners get wear on that lateral patch alongside the heel. After touching down there we generally pronate onto wherever our full landing is before toeing off again. True heel strikers get wear in the very back portion of the heel. And yes, most runners heel strike more when tired (including pros) which is why there’s ample heel cushion in both models.
Mostly agree however I do find the differences to be clearer for me. With the Sky Paris it keeps me heel to midfoot and I struggle to get onto my toes. I just don't activate the plate. With the Edge this works much better and I roll and sink into the forefoot after landing midfoot. The Sky puts a much bigger strain on my Achilles. They went back and I love the Edge. The difference in plate position is huge for me.
Brilliant Martha. Very insightful. I went and looked it up on the ASICS site and there is something about powering through the wall 30km in so it’s definitely intended to be a marathon shoe. I saw an instagram post with every brand and their shoe for intended distance + other reviewers talking about it for short distance both seeded that idea 💡 in my head.
There is a roll through for the shoe but it’s very subtle compared to other super shoes I’ve tried and I think it’s like because the bounce mutes it a bit. I’ll have to look for true heel damage on my old shoes - thanks !
Brilliant . I’m glad I didn’t get the sky Paris then . I might try if it ever goes on sale .
@@Fozzee.1970Thank you for this very helpful feedback. It sounds like you were able to try them much more thoroughly than I to get a more solid comparison, and you reinforced my impression from only trying one (Sky) in a running store and the other (Edge) much later at the Boston pop up. You’ve corroborated my hunch that the Edge would work much better for my biomechanics.
@@MidLifeRunnerYou’re far from the only one who ran across that use-case distinction idea, but it seems logical the forward-pitch of the Edge’s roll geometry would make the it seem more aggressive and therefore preferred for HM and under for some runners who would otherwise choose the Sky for marathons.
Hey Andrew, quick suggestion for you! If you’re a veteran (I believe you are), Asics offers a 25% military discount when you buy directly through their site, which seems to apply to all their shoes! i.e. I was able to snag the Metaspeed Edge Paris for $188 and the Novablast 4s for $105 🙌 Hope this is helpful and great video as always 🙂✌️
For nurses as well ❤️
@@jameschaves5723 yep, and medical professionals and first responders! I believe teachers and students can also get 15% off 🙏
I’d love to see a video on why you switched from heel striker to mid to forefoot striker, and what it’s done to your running performance
Thanks Joe! Terrific idea. I just added it to the RUclips slate.
Not going to lie. But I’m here waiting for Floberg’s full interview 🫣 521 miles in the old version of ASICS metaspeed 🤔 Interesting. Great review Andrew 👍🏼
I’ll get there one day though I’ve heard him answer my questions in the Matt Fox interview and believe in the run. At this point it will be like “yeah I already heard that “
@@MidLifeRunner maybe so, but sometimes the interviewer might ask it differently or funnier than d others. 🤷🏻♂️. That’s why we are here. But it’s ok, when you do, I’ll still watch it. Everything for the algo 😁.
I’ll be at MCM too, trying to break 3 hours as well!
Yessss! Do you watch Joshua Hubbard ? He is also trying to break 3 at MCM and so is Andrew Cho. Let’s get a solid pace group going
@@MidLifeRunner sounds great let me know how to get in contact with y'all, me and a buddy are going for sub 3 and maybe even a BQ
@@astroforce29 im sure we will have shake out run info on the channels leading up to it and we can make a game plan for race day then
Looks like we’re going to have a party at MCM!
Fellow Alphafly 3 sweepstakes failure here. Ugh. My one issue with this shoe is stability. I like a narrow/nimble shoe, especially for racing, but this one can be rough on cambered roads and non-optimal pavement. Beyond that it is wonderful though.
Solid observation. I took it for a long run in a greenway path , more narrow type concrete path, and the winding and turns took a toll
Props to you for highlighting how different race distances warrant different "optimal", "super" shoes🤓. Also, thanks for skipping the running footage. Also, also, just ordered an alligator and a bear, RUclips channel coming next. 🐻🦎
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The "however" x2 a la SJD will never not make me smile.
I need to lean more into some SJD - miss that guy
Hey Midlife Runner, you’re doing just fine with the channel. Have grown and keeps growing, stick to your guns and as this YT monster is, just keep a branded style and the content comin’!! Thanks!
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in the Paris model the foam is supercritical thats why better feeling
@Midlife Runner you picked the wrong shoe if you land mid to forefoot. The Sky Paris' has more flare (therefore more foam) on the forefoot and the plate is closer to the foot, which means you will compress more foam when you land mid to forefoot and will get more energy return. If you are a heel striker the Edge might be best because the rocker starts earlier and you will get a faster turnover when you land on the heel. Something to think about.
Dang. ASICS going to take me for another 250?
Good video mate, and made better without the split personality shenanigans 😏 going to try and pick up a pair of the Sky Paris, but currently sold out in the UK
🙌🏼 no more other me. Got it!
I ran a 5k in Alphafly’s. Let the judgement commence.
@@joshuaxruns a 5min mile in jeans is a permanent pass to escape judgment. Wouldn’t surprise me if you did it in Brooks Ghost
@@MidLifeRunner 😂😂😂
My "speciality" is racing/winning 5k races, i used to prefer af1 as a stride runner (1.6m stride lenght), I have tested pretty much all supershoes .. the results are always very close so I think AF1 is great for 5k, especially if you use Tempo Next% for training
I don’t actually judge other runners - just being silly. I’ve been very public about my adoration for the AF1 - still the GOAT in my opinion
That’s for skipping the run footage. I think Ko and Flo are the only ones that do it so well I don’t skip
There’s an A skip B skip joke somewhere in here but I’m too tired to find it . Cheers to the GOATs tho
Would really love to try theese out.
Would love to see you review the superblast vs this shoe, as it doesn't have a plate. But some runners do say they would have no problem running a marathon with it. Curious to see how they would compare.
The Superblast = the shoe that NEVER goes on sale :/ maybe one day
@MidLifeRunner haha yes...I actually got a pair a couple months back. I have a first responder discount which made it real nice!
@@MidLifeRunner plus they have to have them in stock.... it's so annoying it's never in stock
See you in DC! 🤜🤛
Let’s get it !
Asics labelled the Edge a 5k to 10k shoe? What's your source?
That was my fault . I saw one of those charts on instagram where they have every shoe company and their shoe of choice for certain distances. Coupled with other reviewers saying they’d use it for 5k distance, I thought it was more official . However ASICS intended it as a marathon shoe
Hi i really like you Videos ✌️
Have you run in the Saucony Endorphin Elite in comparison or in the Adios Pro 3?
I really like this Shoes but this new Metaspeed Edge are so insanely light.
If this Shoe is in Discount i buy it probaly too😅
Adiós pro 3 , I have . I do not have the endorphin elite . Maybe when it is on discount !! Or saicony watches my channel and sends me a pair 🙋🏻♂️
Have you tried the Paris version? I’ve only tried Paris and love it. I am 90% certain it gonna be the shoe of the chocie for MCM for me.
Do you mean Sky Paris?
I haven’t compared the edge Paris to sky Paris . Yowana says it’s 95% the same shoe and I believe him so I’m going to save 250 and not buy them
MLrunner - can you recommend a great cushioned running shoe for me? I am not looking to run halfs again, just your basic 5k. I have high arches and need cushioning. THANKS!
🤔 🤔 if you’re springing for a super shoe and pushing the pace,I would recommend the new balance sc elite v4. Stable max cushion I would say the Hoka skyward x. More unstable and fun cushion, the mizuno Neo vista or the Nike invincible 3. Would test those in a store though to see how your feet get on with them.
@@MidLifeRunner thank you!
Exceptions to I skip the running footage (Andy the FOD runner 'its really what he is about'), Eric Floberg (any skipping is a crime ) and sweat elite (skip and you are kind of missing the point)... but then I am one of those weird folk that may pause a vlog for hours... like going on my long run shortly before I finish this .. but will always finish a until the end .. and try and comment with something to help the algorithm.
Every little bit helps and is appreciated. I, too, squeeze every second of watch time for my fellow content creators. It takes a lot of work to produce and for full time workers, dads and as someone who wants to train, workout and sleep to get faster? To make RUclips happen each week is a tiny miracle.
I just ran a 2nd PB Half in the Edge + (great shoe for a half or under) How would you compare the 2 Edge + vs Edge Paris? Thanks for the review!
With ASICS, I was waiting for a sale on the Superblast and on the Metaspeed edge/SKy + and the discounts NEVER happened. So when the Paris series came out, I just bought it at full price. That being said, I can't compare the two because I never tried it. I do think the Edge Paris is a "half and under" shoe. It's probably just a bit bouncier with more foam in the forefoot, I would imagine
@@MidLifeRunner They still are not on sale Lol, and I would imagine most will be buying this Paris version. Thanks for the info! Great job.
We want more content on how having a coach is going?
It’s an exciting time James . I can feel myself getting faster already
@@MidLifeRunner I have no doubt that the added structure will have great results. I would only add that the weather could impede results. You might have to wait for less humid conditions
What books do you have back there that you would recommend??
What books do you like (genre)? My wife has a book Instagram and reads about 3 a week. It’s been a long time since I’ve had time to read. Ironically, all the running books I’ve purchased are on kindle
@@MidLifeRunner At the moment, I'm on this biography and history kick. And I don't have much on the Social Media front...
What’s up big nuts hahaha.
Carbon shoe question for newbie. Only carbon shoes I have are Saucony Pro 3 and use for speed runs. Every time I use them, my calves are sore for days afterwards and few months back I had Achilles pain for quite sometime after a marathon training long run. Is that due to bad form, where the plate is located, weak legs, etc. Sorry for vague question but curious if a shoe like this would be any different for my bitch legs.
Since carbon plates are stiff so prevent shoes from bending and this is the 1st CP shoe you’ve tried, it may be altering your mechanics in a way that’s causing that. The plated race shoes compensate for their rigidity by having a roll geometry but each brand’s is different and it may not suit your stride. Normally I would wonder if they’re a lower drop (differential between the heel and toe stack height) than your other shoes, which can work the back of your legs more, but the Endo Pro3 are an 8 mm drop which isn’t that low unless you’re used to 10 mm or more. The Asics race shoes have an even lower drop so if that has anything to do with your issues they wouldn’t help. Also curious for reference what are your other shoes that do not cause this?
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 thanks for the reply! I do most my runs in the Speed 4, before that were the Speed 3. I’ve tried other shoes that are “max cushion” but they always seem too firm and always resort back to the speeds. I’m still relatively new to running to still trying to find exactly what’s right for me but my max week was 50 miles and 90% of that were in the Speed 4 and never had any pain or issue even at uptempo days.
No Justin, I do Achilles strengthening every week with heavy calf loading, slow descents . The ONLY shoe that bothers my Achilles is the endo pro 3. When I was between marathons I did 4 weeks at 80 miles and I had to cut a long run short because of the shoe. I thought at the time it was overuse but I think it is the shoe and how it forces my roll through and dorsiflexion. I didn’t have a problem in the speed 3.
I would suggest a higher plated shoe like an alphafly or sky Paris . Vaoorlfy works my calves too so would stay away from that one .
@@MidLifeRunner Awesome, thanks! I don't have any speed races till December so I wanted to spend the summer/fall trying to find the right shoe for me to break PB without too much damage. Thanks for the feedback!
@MidLifeRunner That’s really interesting! I’d be curious if the Endorphin Pro4 causes the same problem for you, because that’s my current marathon shoe which I plan to use for CIM this December. Calf cramps slowed me down in Chicago halfway through last Oct in v3 but I think that was not the fault of the shoe (probably went out too fast but can’t be 100% sure).
That's a lot of info about a very specific shoe type. Lol.
I so started to skip the running portion on the video.
Good man
asics has never called the edge anything other than a marathon racer (and probably hates when other people do)
Probably
How much wood, could a wood chuck....😂
☠️
Overrated alphafly 3! I'd rather have metaspeed edge,tried alphafly 3, heavier, more $ and less roll.
It’s in the mail Sir Thomas! Thanks for leveling some expectation. I’ve been hearing positive reviews and trying to land the shoe for so long, I hadn’t even entertained the idea it might not be all that it’s hyped to be