I absolutely love Pete’s show and his spiritual nature and predilection for philosophy. This was the very first episode where I felt a little insecurity from Pete’s side. Because I think we talk about shedding the ego so much, and it’s importance. It feels a little bit (and no judgement or malice) that Pete sensed that his intellectual superiority was being challenged in an unprecedented way… and his response to GREAT answers was to turn to ribbing, and ball busting, and comedy, and he missed a HUGE opportunity to engage with a comparable mind in terms of the quality of the overall conversation. Just constructive criticism. Love Pete. Love the podcast. Love every conversation.
Only 15 minutes in and having a guest immediately call Pete out for constantly interrupting and treating every guest's point as just a break until he can talk again has cured my eczema.
I have to say I appreciate both of these people. I love Pete and often find myself on a parallel journey with him as I grow and become a parent and explore spirituality outside of my religious upbringing. I am mostly with Rainn on the belief of morality and taking control of your life. Nothing frustrates me more than people living their life with a victim mentality acting like that’s the best they can do. Every day we get to choose to be a better person. Yes we make mistakes and learn and need mercy but copping out is lame. Understand the mistakes you have made and do better! Then watch the beauty of life unfold.
I agree with Raiin about the consumerification of psychedelics especially in the western mindset of everything must be easy and quick. But proper psychedelic use is absolutely a powerful tool for spiritual growth.
Yes very powerful tool especially when doing with intent. Also I’d never take advice on it (consider their opinion much) unless they’ve used themselves. I have and it does (but sober alcohol 11 years )
I don’t mean this in a mean way, but his naive take is quite literally dying off. Most people I know who have benefited from psychedelics also agree that they aren’t a shortcut as much as a catalyst. The fact that he feels justified to have guidance for a *whole culture* without ever having the experience belies something deeper in him that is in resistance. (Likely that control issue he outlined in conversation...) The data is in and safe and effective protocols are continuing to be developed and measured. There’s a lot more good news to come out of the psychedelic movement! Love you, Rainn, but your dogmatic take here is neither edgy (most Boomers agree) nor informed. ❤️
The word 'judgment' branches in two directions: most hear it and use it to mean 'condemnation' but forget about the 'discernment' side which is helpful in understanding what's good. I think Pete is trying to avoid condemnation of alternate paths while Rainn is trying to endorse a discernment about pursuing a moral route instead of taking shortcuts and seeing the virtue in doing that good work.
I think big part of the consumerism of spiritual experiences is that technology has allowed us the time and energy to think about spiritual topics more than before...so because of the popularity and accessibility of it, it's become a consumer product and lifestyle.
Love you Pete and yet I have to heartily agree with Rainn about the "Parent's did (not do) the best they could" issue. I believe that we all have the burden of our childhood experiences / genetic predispositions, but we also have free will. The free will part is too important to me to concede. I don't think all parents do the best they can, very sadly. To say everyone is just doing the best they can in every moment does not feel true to me. Yet, I am with you on having compassion and mercy, even in light of our parents' poor choices along the way.
41:11 My thoughts - Did our parents do the best they could? - Probably no, but, you are the person you are now because of what your parents did. However bad or good, that has shaped and defined a good chunk of your personality. So the question becomes - are you happy with the life experiences you got overcoming whatever support or damage your parents did when you were growing up. Are we doing our best? I have to agree with Rainn on this. For example: I wish to be healthier, I am unable to summon the will power to do it regularly though. Now, Pete's argument is that you aren't able to because you don't have it in you to summon the will power. But if we are not striving to be better, give up and say that's what i'm capable of, that doesn't seem like a good way to live. Great chat!
I agree with Rainn. I hate the idea that I can excuse myself of all my actions by saying that there was no other way this could've played out. Sure it might be pointless to have regret over things you did in the past that you can never hope to change because it's in the past but that's how I grow. I grow by knowing that I make my choices and that the choices I made in the past were bad or good. I am strongly repelled by the idea of a cop out. I opt to cop in because then only can I take responsibility for my actions.
This was a fabtastic interview. Came here from the interview with Rainn amd Bert. This was facinating all the way through. Loved a lot of Pete's points of view and Rainn's experience. Phenomenal.
Cap Obvious here… Never take opinion seriously from someone who has no firsthand experience. Understand his sobriety tho. I’m sober alcohol 11 years but aya has changed my life will be forever grateful. I’m still sober tho it’s medicine for me.
I 100% agree with Rainn. You don't need drugs to find God. You want to trip out? Achieve that connection without psychedelics and that will change how you see life, how u see yourself and others. U see unlimited possibilities where before u only saw obstacles. It's a beautiful experience. Zero drugs needed. Rainn speaks as someone who has been there, he knows what that's like. He's right, there are no shortcuts. Also from experience, you don't know what your threshold is for tolerating psychedelics you can go into it with a fully functioning brain and leave it with your brain scrambled. True story based on a someone I met who had been an extremely intelligent person and was reduced to someone who had permanent neurological issues. He was like a child afterwards. For those that advocate using those drugs, fail to realize that that's addiction that convinces you that it's okay to do it because the purpose is to" reach higher ground, to find God." An addict in recovery can see another addict's bullsh*t reasoning. Also I'm watching your videos out of order but from what I've seen so far, you're a sponge for knowledge and u share it freely with the rest of us. Thank u for that.
I thought the exact same thing!!! Duncan shamelessly is just one of the most open and enlightened guys..I can fall asleep listening to him and guaranteed no nightmares haha! They really would be a match made in heaven. Crazy someone else saw that!
I'm with Rainn. Not getting out of bed to go for a jog is not the same as being a bad parent for an extended period of time. Not going for a jog is more like yelling at your kid because of something going on in your life occasionally, but generally doing all the parenting things you need to do and acting with kindness most of the time. You can look back, and forgive, or understand, but that doesn't get rid of the scars from the trauma that lead to many maladaptations and issues for life until you deal with them. Being diagnosed with anxiety/ADHD later in life, I can see that my dad is on the spectrum (and my mum is screwed up from a horrible childhood of alcoholism and abuse), and a lot of his actions now make sense - but he still could have done better.
Most of us are barely aware of consciousness- if at all. And until that pearl is snatched from the dragon of time, there is no free will to "do better" as Rainn suggests. As long as we are identified with the personal "I", we will also be snared by our personal "I"'s desires and aversions.
Yes, perhaps that is the distinction between their views on that.. I think they both made valid points; sometimes you truly cannot 'do better', other times we choose to believe that rather than look closer at ourselves. But I also felt like Rainn's experiences with addiction and recovery may have made him overly self-critical and unable to give himself more grace for fear of falling back into bad patterns of behaviour. Equally, that criticism could have been part of the context that led to addiction as a coping mechanism, who knows. Both can be true - I am working on my inner critic and there's definitely been times when it's caused me to lean on unhealthy coping mechanisms to drown it out, but it's also been a useful tool for pulling out of those behaviours once I identified them. Couldn't do anything about it until I knew what the root of the problem was, so it's only now I can move forward with that awareness and do better (🤞🤞)
Why am I craving a Chip Chipperson commentary track to go along with this conversation??? "You got the keys to the kingdom of my heart!" 🎶 ". . . and if you put the keys in my heart will start!" 🎶🎵🎶
Rainn inadvertently illustrates my number one problem with religion in general in the first 20 minutes. Basically, "I know the truth, and everyone else is wrong."
Rainn is incredibly closed minded about faith and religion and all that stuff. I've listened to his podcasts, and him speaking on many other podcasts and that's a universal truth about him.
Agreed, he also seems to take that exact view against "psychedelics/drug-culture" . . . He's not without a valid point, but since he's never integrated the actual experience into his view he's chosen to only focus on the trendy, surface level, optics of what's become popular drug culture. In my opinion, he seems to take issue with how certain individuals have created this persona and lifestyle perception around "drugs as fashion", and has little interest in the actual psychology, chemistry, historical folklore, objective merits in connection to well-being etc. It's unfortunate & frustrating for someone who otherwise appears so thoughtful and open. He's so talented, hilarious, and I'm sure very well versed in other areas, but it just seems so arrogant and counterproductive to base one's views on psychedelics off of some bad social-actors who've rubbed him the wrong way and created this kind of bias. Like so much other binary type of thinking or analysis, our modern politics . . . . "You're either this or that, and if you are that, than you're definitely not this." Maybe just too much time spent around LA/Showbiz types. I'd be far more jaded too I suppose.
@@sean78745 Well, for some it's almost the opposite. They don't want to have to weigh in on what they believe topic-by-topic, come to difficult conclusions, and possibly judge their own actions. So they outsource it. Instead of a constantly evolving conversation with society around you, it becomes a checklist. And I can see the comfort in that. The problem is that once those beliefs become entrenched in tradition and dogma, they become REALLY hard to change even if you want to. So you end up with beliefs that none of the believers really hold but all act on performatively to remain in the in-group.
I don't feel like psychedelics are inherently spiritual so I have no problem with what Rainn is saying & in fact I agree. True enlightenment requires actual sacrifice & you can't cheat that. When I take psychedelics I do so just to enjoy the effects & how it changes things. I don't think it's made my life better or worse, & I certainly don't think I'm now enlightened. I just like how it makes me feel, like all other drugs.
Feel that.. my issue with his take is more that he’s speaking from conjecture and fear rather than first hand experience. He brings a valid point about the consumerist and instant gratification approach that many bring to psychedelics, but it just doesn’t fully land because of his self righteousness and narrow view of it. To your point it’s not necessarily inherently a healing experience but they can certainly be used as tools for opening the psyche and engaging therapeutic work with much more efficiency than most approaches. So to “throw that baby out with the bath water” feels very unwise and arrogant to me.
It's not a shortcut for someone who has tried the tired ol way of organized religion. What about the people who put the ol' college try in and even got a Bible College degree only to graduate an agnostic?
Okay, Pete is clearly talking about personal growth, and Rainn is talking about societal growth. They’re talking about the same thing, but on different levels.
First of all...I find most of the interruptions funny, regardless of tone or guest. The reason I want to point that out is because of my larger point, as reaction to this entire conversation. Individuality is real. What works for you may not work for someone else. I think that inherently, we all know that. But we rarely practice it...especially those of us who might be in a situation where we have a famous voice and think we might reach some people. Maybe you WILL reach some people, and those people will identify with the dogma, and that's great for them. But others will not. It shouldn't matter whether or not people are using psychedelics recreationally or for enlightenment, or for ANY reason, just because you do or don't. If it's not being treated as a crutch, and not making their lives worse than it would be without those things...no other person gets to decide for them. Same goes for organized (or unorganized) religion...or any form of spirituality, or self-help talking points, whatever. I don't really care what judgment some people may have about others, and I don't care what people do in their lives that makes them feel fulfilled. I live my life the best way I know how, and no one telling me what to do or not do, the way they see it, is going to help, unless I am in a headspace to allow it to help. I have never been to therapy, nor feel a need for it. I don't drink alcohol or use drugs recreationally, or for any other reason, except in cases of extreme illness or injury. Even mundane and perceptibly "safer" things like caffeine, sugar, etc...I use in strict moderation, as I don't like crutches of any kind. I also don't have any mantras when I meditate, which isn't often, and I don't practice any religion. While this lifestyle is right for me, for now, and I'm happy to offer suggestions to others based on it...I would never expect everyone to live this way. It just happens to work for me. And that's the big rub here...there is no single solution that makes everyone happy, healthy, wealthy and wise. It's going to be a different formula for each person and many may NEVER find it. It's great to do all the research and share experiences and hope to be helpful to those in need of it, but you can't expect YOUR way to be the ONLY way, all the time. That's just not how life works.
Psychedelic s are from a culture we cannot understand. So we use this token to escape the confines of western culture. Is that using with sanctity? And reverance?
!!!! I heard his interview on NPR last week and thought to myself, "Pete basically has to have him on the pod, now..." so I'm delighted to see this wish come true!
This is so uncomfortable.. not because of disagreeing perspectives, but because it’s giving the energy of two people who don’t actually want to be having this conversation and keep trying to hide their contempt under a guise of “comedy” .. yikes 😬 some redeeming moments and both bring up good points but I’m just not convinced this conversation would have continued if the cameras weren’t rolling..
Pete has ads to read and Rainn has a book to sell Everyone's full of poop and postures themselves as a guru Savior They do it You do it I do it Welcome to existence
Because you didn't, you couldn't, but what you can do is learn from the fact that you didn't do what is aspirational to you, inquire into that and move closer to what is aspirational for you. I "could have, should have or would have" is an argument with reality.
A church in my town had a drivethru prayer service last Easter, they couldn't even take the time to get out of the car to talk to god...I get what Rainn is talking about😢
I am also picking up weird tics from Succession. I spent an hour last night cracking up when I called my dog “Greg” in Tom’s’ voice (his a name is nothing close to that). Also, I spent a lot of time repeating the word “regulAtory” to myself because Shiv and Mattson both say it so weird.
Well I mean who wants to listen to a podcast JUST about wedging an Oscar out of an orifice with a writers guild award or JUST about life love awareness spirituality and god.... We want both. Life is both.
I think Rainn has a pointon the commercialization of psychedelics, but I think Pete understood it differently and with a bias and defense of someone who does psychedelics.
I for one, don't think Pete is too enthusiastic that he met his match , Rainn Wilson 😅 EDIT.... I wrote this comment thinking i would be lynched by the masses not knowing that others agreed with my basic point 😂
Having taken my fair share of amazing psychedelic trips over the years, I fully agree with Rainn’s “superficial shortcut” opinion. For me, any positive effects faded within days.
Rainn being judgemental about psychedelics because of Californian capitalists doing weekend trips is peak closed-mindedness. Great podcast and positive drug advocacy from Pete makes it all work for me.
43:00 Rainn is discussing director he worked with who didn't believe in God because he was dragged to mass. Rainn says that his being dragged to mass has nothing to do with the existence of God. True! But also, Rainn does not see how he may have contradicted his previous point about ability to do better. Rainn would say that people don't do better by choice... but isn't it possible there are a lot of hidden reasons for why people do and believe things, sort of like this director guy? He never went to church again not because of choice but because of a faulty belief. Just food for thought that contradicts my previous comment -- because these concepts are complex and fascinating and I owe no loyalty to any belief system.
38:00 This sequence really highlights how I disagree with Pete and agree with Rainn. The idea of there just being stories internally and god comes to us as whatever stimuli... seems like a cop out. Why do I care if something is a cop out? I don't know... I guess because of integrity
Rainn is pushing against the cheap grace of psychodelics...I love it. Folks using it as a personal improvement tool.. Cheap grace for the privileged. Saying your parents did their best is cheap grace too. They didn't do their best all the time. Forgive them any way.
Ululation, Rainn, not uvulation 🤦♀️ My parents could have done better, too. Psychedelics help a lot of people who otherwise might not self-actualize, in a similar way that being sober and your privileged ability to focus on self-improvement helps you. Bah'ai is a faith founded on misogynistic and homophobic beliefs, but there are genuinely, earnestly, progressive members of the faith. Humans are walking contradictions! (Which feels like the point of this entire discussion.)
I absolutely love Pete’s show and his spiritual nature and predilection for philosophy. This was the very first episode where I felt a little insecurity from Pete’s side. Because I think we talk about shedding the ego so much, and it’s importance. It feels a little bit (and no judgement or malice) that Pete sensed that his intellectual superiority was being challenged in an unprecedented way… and his response to GREAT answers was to turn to ribbing, and ball busting, and comedy, and he missed a HUGE opportunity to engage with a comparable mind in terms of the quality of the overall conversation. Just constructive criticism. Love Pete. Love the podcast. Love every conversation.
Only 15 minutes in and having a guest immediately call Pete out for constantly interrupting and treating every guest's point as just a break until he can talk again has cured my eczema.
The Pete interruptions worth it!(most of the time)
Bro rain Wilson is insufferable
I have to say I appreciate both of these people. I love Pete and often find myself on a parallel journey with him as I grow and become a parent and explore spirituality outside of my religious upbringing. I am mostly with Rainn on the belief of morality and taking control of your life. Nothing frustrates me more than people living their life with a victim mentality acting like that’s the best they can do. Every day we get to choose to be a better person. Yes we make mistakes and learn and need mercy but copping out is lame. Understand the mistakes you have made and do better! Then watch the beauty of life unfold.
I agree with Raiin about the consumerification of psychedelics especially in the western mindset of everything must be easy and quick. But proper psychedelic use is absolutely a powerful tool for spiritual growth.
Nailed it.
Yes very powerful tool especially when doing with intent. Also I’d never take advice on it (consider their opinion much) unless they’ve used themselves. I have and it does (but sober alcohol 11 years )
I don’t mean this in a mean way, but his naive take is quite literally dying off. Most people I know who have benefited from psychedelics also agree that they aren’t a shortcut as much as a catalyst.
The fact that he feels justified to have guidance for a *whole culture* without ever having the experience belies something deeper in him that is in resistance. (Likely that control issue he outlined in conversation...)
The data is in and safe and effective protocols are continuing to be developed and measured. There’s a lot more good news to come out of the psychedelic movement!
Love you, Rainn, but your dogmatic take here is neither edgy (most Boomers agree) nor informed. ❤️
@@pluribus_unumI felt he articulated beautifully what I was thinking but had a harder time verbalizing.
Completely agree with the guest about shortcuts. Well said.
Appreciate how honest this interview is so far and I'm only 20 minutes in.
The word 'judgment' branches in two directions: most hear it and use it to mean 'condemnation' but forget about the 'discernment' side which is helpful in understanding what's good. I think Pete is trying to avoid condemnation of alternate paths while Rainn is trying to endorse a discernment about pursuing a moral route instead of taking shortcuts and seeing the virtue in doing that good work.
Still a pair of out-of-touch idiots.
I love that
I think big part of the consumerism of spiritual experiences is that technology has allowed us the time and energy to think about spiritual topics more than before...so because of the popularity and accessibility of it, it's become a consumer product and lifestyle.
Love you Pete and yet I have to heartily agree with Rainn about the "Parent's did (not do) the best they could" issue. I believe that we all have the burden of our childhood experiences / genetic predispositions, but we also have free will. The free will part is too important to me to concede. I don't think all parents do the best they can, very sadly. To say everyone is just doing the best they can in every moment does not feel true to me. Yet, I am with you on having compassion and mercy, even in light of our parents' poor choices along the way.
PS This was a great conversation, and I so appreciated hearing disagreement that was also done with love.
Nobody can do their best 100% of the time, otherwise they wouldn't be human. "Best you can" should allow for that
You guys in these comments seem like real fun killers
41:11 My thoughts -
Did our parents do the best they could? - Probably no, but, you are the person you are now because of what your parents did. However bad or good, that has shaped and defined a good chunk of your personality. So the question becomes - are you happy with the life experiences you got overcoming whatever support or damage your parents did when you were growing up.
Are we doing our best? I have to agree with Rainn on this. For example: I wish to be healthier, I am unable to summon the will power to do it regularly though. Now, Pete's argument is that you aren't able to because you don't have it in you to summon the will power. But if we are not striving to be better, give up and say that's what i'm capable of, that doesn't seem like a good way to live.
Great chat!
Agreed
Inherent capacities cannot be exceeded, and effort doesn’t always produce joy, but there’s no joy without conscious effort.
I'm sad this episode is almost over!! Noooo!!! It's punching my anxiety in the nards. i want no end❤
Rainn’s impression of Pete is spot on 😂😂
Pete let the guests talk without interrupting them with an Eckhart Tolle quote
I agree with Rainn. I hate the idea that I can excuse myself of all my actions by saying that there was no other way this could've played out. Sure it might be pointless to have regret over things you did in the past that you can never hope to change because it's in the past but that's how I grow.
I grow by knowing that I make my choices and that the choices I made in the past were bad or good. I am strongly repelled by the idea of a cop out. I opt to cop in because then only can I take responsibility for my actions.
This was a fabtastic interview. Came here from the interview with Rainn amd Bert. This was facinating all the way through. Loved a lot of Pete's points of view and Rainn's experience. Phenomenal.
Cap Obvious here… Never take opinion seriously from someone who has no firsthand experience. Understand his sobriety tho. I’m sober alcohol 11 years but aya has changed my life will be forever grateful. I’m still sober tho it’s medicine for me.
Can’t believe we got King Quest 3 reference in this pod. I tip my adventurers cap to you Pete 💜😁
You guys SHOULD TOTALLY make that show!!!
I am not often a fangirl but Pete Holmes rocks.
This was not the conversation I was expecting to hear when I learned that Pete Holmes has a podcast, but I was pleasantly surprised.
Agree with Rainn 100% on the philatelic issue. There area no shortcuts to spiritual/emotional growth.
Agreed. I love Pete. But Rainn makes great points that Pete just is ready to ignore. Rainn even admits every time that his opinions are "unpopular".
100% better topic than most , and then throw in some comedy gravy , love both you guys
I 100% agree with Rainn. You don't need drugs to find God. You want to trip out? Achieve that connection without psychedelics and that will change how you see life, how u see yourself and others. U see unlimited possibilities where before u only saw obstacles. It's a beautiful experience. Zero drugs needed.
Rainn speaks as someone who has been there, he knows what that's like. He's right, there are no shortcuts.
Also from experience, you don't know what your threshold is for tolerating psychedelics you can go into it with a fully functioning brain and leave it with your brain scrambled. True story based on a someone I met who had been an extremely intelligent person and was reduced to someone who had permanent neurological issues. He was like a child afterwards.
For those that advocate using those drugs, fail to realize that that's addiction that convinces you that it's okay to do it because the purpose is to" reach higher ground, to find God."
An addict in recovery can see another addict's bullsh*t reasoning.
Also I'm watching your videos out of order but from what I've seen so far, you're a sponge for knowledge and u share it freely with the rest of us. Thank u for that.
You guys should totally make that show! ;)
I'm 30 mins in, I'm rock hard for this episode like everyone else... I can't stop staring at the bubbles on the background....
This is such a left brain right brain conversation and I am loving every minute (interruptions included)
someone needs to introduce Rainn and Duncan Trussel, easily the perfect guest for a Soul Boom podcast.
Bang on! Hope that happens soon.
I thought the exact same thing!!! Duncan shamelessly is just one of the most open and enlightened guys..I can fall asleep listening to him and guaranteed no nightmares haha! They really would be a match made in heaven. Crazy someone else saw that!
Great conversation. 🫶🏼
I'm with Rainn. Not getting out of bed to go for a jog is not the same as being a bad parent for an extended period of time.
Not going for a jog is more like yelling at your kid because of something going on in your life occasionally, but generally doing all the parenting things you need to do and acting with kindness most of the time.
You can look back, and forgive, or understand, but that doesn't get rid of the scars from the trauma that lead to many maladaptations and issues for life until you deal with them.
Being diagnosed with anxiety/ADHD later in life, I can see that my dad is on the spectrum (and my mum is screwed up from a horrible childhood of alcoholism and abuse), and a lot of his actions now make sense - but he still could have done better.
This is my new favorite show.
Most of us are barely aware of consciousness- if at all. And until that pearl is snatched from the dragon of time, there is no free will to "do better" as Rainn suggests. As long as we are identified with the personal "I", we will also be snared by our personal "I"'s desires and aversions.
Yes, perhaps that is the distinction between their views on that.. I think they both made valid points; sometimes you truly cannot 'do better', other times we choose to believe that rather than look closer at ourselves.
But I also felt like Rainn's experiences with addiction and recovery may have made him overly self-critical and unable to give himself more grace for fear of falling back into bad patterns of behaviour. Equally, that criticism could have been part of the context that led to addiction as a coping mechanism, who knows. Both can be true - I am working on my inner critic and there's definitely been times when it's caused me to lean on unhealthy coping mechanisms to drown it out, but it's also been a useful tool for pulling out of those behaviours once I identified them. Couldn't do anything about it until I knew what the root of the problem was, so it's only now I can move forward with that awareness and do better (🤞🤞)
Why am I craving a Chip Chipperson commentary track to go along with this conversation???
"You got the keys to the kingdom of my heart!" 🎶
". . . and if you put the keys in my heart will start!" 🎶🎵🎶
Gloriously pronounces 'tenets' correctly, but I call whammy on 'uvulating'. Because.......it's 'ululating'. Yep.
Love this conversation, gonna keep falling upward
Ive never been so early. So excited
proud of you kid
THIS was a real podcast. An actual dialectic that the watcher can learn from. Great job gents
I’d watch that show!
Rainn inadvertently illustrates my number one problem with religion in general in the first 20 minutes. Basically, "I know the truth, and everyone else is wrong."
Rainn is incredibly closed minded about faith and religion and all that stuff. I've listened to his podcasts, and him speaking on many other podcasts and that's a universal truth about him.
Agreed, he also seems to take that exact view against "psychedelics/drug-culture" . . . He's not without a valid point, but since he's never integrated the actual experience into his view he's chosen to only focus on the trendy, surface level, optics of what's become popular drug culture. In my opinion, he seems to take issue with how certain individuals have created this persona and lifestyle perception around "drugs as fashion", and has little interest in the actual psychology, chemistry, historical folklore, objective merits in connection to well-being etc. It's unfortunate & frustrating for someone who otherwise appears so thoughtful and open. He's so talented, hilarious, and I'm sure very well versed in other areas, but it just seems so arrogant and counterproductive to base one's views on psychedelics off of some bad social-actors who've rubbed him the wrong way and created this kind of bias. Like so much other binary type of thinking or analysis, our modern politics . . . . "You're either this or that, and if you are that, than you're definitely not this." Maybe just too much time spent around LA/Showbiz types. I'd be far more jaded too I suppose.
@@thenerktwins That's as much his right as it is for people who regularly go on about faith and/or spirituality.
@@Fettclone1 You misunderstand me. Rainn is fanatically religious. He's no atheist.
@@thenerktwins I'm not sure I understand who you were referring to in that case.
Six feet under is the bomb. Not a show that was ahead of time the only show (at the time) in its time.
Just to join in the corrections, it's actually called "ululating", not "uvulating" at 34:23. Good stuff guys.
❤ you are a top tier favorite Mr. Pete
14:50 I could not agree more with Rainn’s point about the branding of “plant medicine.”
I’m with rain, we make ourselves…not because we were allowed. But because of the effort and failures we accumulate
What a spiritual discussion!
Love this!!❤❤
Come on Pete - materialism IS the hunger!!! (17:25). When someone is being wise, listen instead of trying to play devil´s advocate..
almost 700,000 subs and youve been only been doing video for under a year. thats pretty good, pete.
Thank you for that "isn't it?" zoom in moment
Actually, now that I've watched it all, thank you for this whole thing!
I get SUUUUUPER iffy whenever someone starts talking about absolute morality. It's used as a scapegoat for so much.
Yep absolutes are always a problem. Its ego based, but it works for him i guess
@@sean78745 Well, for some it's almost the opposite. They don't want to have to weigh in on what they believe topic-by-topic, come to difficult conclusions, and possibly judge their own actions. So they outsource it. Instead of a constantly evolving conversation with society around you, it becomes a checklist. And I can see the comfort in that. The problem is that once those beliefs become entrenched in tradition and dogma, they become REALLY hard to change even if you want to. So you end up with beliefs that none of the believers really hold but all act on performatively to remain in the in-group.
Love him as Backstrom, and as Harry Mudd
Love Pete Holmes as Xavier and Badman😂
Very cool and insightful conversation
I don't feel like psychedelics are inherently spiritual so I have no problem with what Rainn is saying & in fact I agree. True enlightenment requires actual sacrifice & you can't cheat that. When I take psychedelics I do so just to enjoy the effects & how it changes things. I don't think it's made my life better or worse, & I certainly don't think I'm now enlightened. I just like how it makes me feel, like all other drugs.
Feel that.. my issue with his take is more that he’s speaking from conjecture and fear rather than first hand experience. He brings a valid point about the consumerist and instant gratification approach that many bring to psychedelics, but it just doesn’t fully land because of his self righteousness and narrow view of it.
To your point it’s not necessarily inherently a healing experience but they can certainly be used as tools for opening the psyche and engaging therapeutic work with much more efficiency than most approaches. So to “throw that baby out with the bath water” feels very unwise and arrogant to me.
It's not a shortcut for someone who has tried the tired ol way of organized religion. What about the people who put the ol' college try in and even got a Bible College degree only to graduate an agnostic?
Brother?! 😂
@@stephenvankleeck4801 say what??
@@CABHC Sorry, your story mirrors my own, including the degree from a Christian College/Seminary. I even learned Koine Greek! 🌟
@stephenvankleeck4801 ahh right on lol. What a world that was eh??
Hey!! Pete Holmes.. come to Las Vegas, please. Do you ever? I love Crashing!!!!!
Okay, Pete is clearly talking about personal growth, and Rainn is talking about societal growth. They’re talking about the same thing, but on different levels.
First of all...I find most of the interruptions funny, regardless of tone or guest.
The reason I want to point that out is because of my larger point, as reaction to this entire conversation.
Individuality is real.
What works for you may not work for someone else.
I think that inherently, we all know that.
But we rarely practice it...especially those of us who might be in a situation where we have a famous voice and think we might reach some people.
Maybe you WILL reach some people, and those people will identify with the dogma, and that's great for them.
But others will not.
It shouldn't matter whether or not people are using psychedelics recreationally or for enlightenment, or for ANY reason, just because you do or don't.
If it's not being treated as a crutch, and not making their lives worse than it would be without those things...no other person gets to decide for them.
Same goes for organized (or unorganized) religion...or any form of spirituality, or self-help talking points, whatever.
I don't really care what judgment some people may have about others, and I don't care what people do in their lives that makes them feel fulfilled.
I live my life the best way I know how, and no one telling me what to do or not do, the way they see it, is going to help, unless I am in a headspace to allow it to help.
I have never been to therapy, nor feel a need for it.
I don't drink alcohol or use drugs recreationally, or for any other reason, except in cases of extreme illness or injury.
Even mundane and perceptibly "safer" things like caffeine, sugar, etc...I use in strict moderation, as I don't like crutches of any kind.
I also don't have any mantras when I meditate, which isn't often, and I don't practice any religion.
While this lifestyle is right for me, for now, and I'm happy to offer suggestions to others based on it...I would never expect everyone to live this way.
It just happens to work for me.
And that's the big rub here...there is no single solution that makes everyone happy, healthy, wealthy and wise.
It's going to be a different formula for each person and many may NEVER find it.
It's great to do all the research and share experiences and hope to be helpful to those in need of it, but you can't expect YOUR way to be the ONLY way, all the time.
That's just not how life works.
Psychedelic s are from a culture we cannot understand. So we use this token to escape the confines of western culture. Is that using with sanctity? And reverance?
Rainn did awesome
He went full Dwight vs Jim for that impression of Pete
!!!! I heard his interview on NPR last week and thought to myself, "Pete basically has to have him on the pod, now..." so I'm delighted to see this wish come true!
Rainn Rules!
1:25:20 Rainn's earlier point about "could your parents have done better" kinda contradicts with "allow your children to experience hardships."
Come for Rainn, stay for Scout 😍
When's the Josh Peck episode going up?
What we are saying is: Escapism means make changes instead of appropriation w $.
This is so uncomfortable.. not because of disagreeing perspectives, but because it’s giving the energy of two people who don’t actually want to be having this conversation and keep trying to hide their contempt under a guise of “comedy” .. yikes 😬 some redeeming moments and both bring up good points but I’m just not convinced this conversation would have continued if the cameras weren’t rolling..
Pete has ads to read and Rainn has a book to sell
Everyone's full of poop and postures themselves as a guru Savior
They do it
You do it
I do it
Welcome to existence
Because you didn't, you couldn't, but what you can do is learn from the fact that you didn't do what is aspirational to you, inquire into that and move closer to what is aspirational for you. I "could have, should have or would have" is an argument with reality.
A church in my town had a drivethru prayer service last Easter, they couldn't even take the time to get out of the car to talk to god...I get what Rainn is talking about😢
Never seen a person with no experience be so hostile to the concept of psychedelics. Weird,indeed.
Love both boys. But I'm siding with Rainn on the psychedelic topic.
Lookin good Peter!
I am also picking up weird tics from Succession. I spent an hour last night cracking up when I called my dog “Greg” in Tom’s’ voice (his a name is nothing close to that). Also, I spent a lot of time repeating the word “regulAtory” to myself because Shiv and Mattson both say it so weird.
Huh?
Well I mean who wants to listen to a podcast JUST about wedging an Oscar out of an orifice with a writers guild award or JUST about life love awareness spirituality and god.... We want both. Life is both.
I think Rainn has a pointon the commercialization of psychedelics, but I think Pete understood it differently and with a bias and defense of someone who does psychedelics.
I for one, don't think Pete is too enthusiastic that he met his match , Rainn Wilson 😅
EDIT.... I wrote this comment thinking i would be lynched by the masses not knowing that others agreed with my basic point 😂
Having taken my fair share of amazing psychedelic trips over the years, I fully agree with Rainn’s “superficial shortcut” opinion. For me, any positive effects faded within days.
Just started listening. Wondering if they're going to talk about the serious and numerous objections to Rainn Wilson's Baha'i faith.
Ugh, 8 minutes in and I'm tired of them already. I can't wait around for the meat of the religion discussion to start. Sorry, Pete.
Rainn being judgemental about psychedelics because of Californian capitalists doing weekend trips is peak closed-mindedness. Great podcast and positive drug advocacy from Pete makes it all work for me.
56:40 Someone needs to sample these phrases and put them in a techno or maybe rap song
this podcast should just be called Pete's Feets
Is that Pete Holmes in Pete's home?
Sorry.
Fuck yes
Parents may have done their best. But was it for you or themselves?
21:45
Kareem?
Rainn was just refusing to acknowledge that little joke 😆
@@SuperBrentendo89 blew right past it each time
I agree way more with Rainns way i'm thinking. I would explain why, but if you watched, you know.
43:00 Rainn is discussing director he worked with who didn't believe in God because he was dragged to mass. Rainn says that his being dragged to mass has nothing to do with the existence of God. True! But also, Rainn does not see how he may have contradicted his previous point about ability to do better. Rainn would say that people don't do better by choice... but isn't it possible there are a lot of hidden reasons for why people do and believe things, sort of like this director guy? He never went to church again not because of choice but because of a faulty belief. Just food for thought that contradicts my previous comment -- because these concepts are complex and fascinating and I owe no loyalty to any belief system.
what is Pete wearing on his wrist?
Apollo neuro
So if you couldn’t because you didn’t, where is the personal accountability?
Pete you gotta let the guests talk holy cow
Just here to lambast Rainn Wilson in the comments.
We don’t have free will
If you could’ve you would’ve
Infant of Prague is the Spanish baybuh jeeziz right? Could prolly just check Google faster huh? Yeah...not guna do that...
For christ sakes pete, buy some mic stands
😂looks exhausting right?
Kareem? 😂
Pete wants everything in a bottle.
It's Salmon not SALmon
38:00 This sequence really highlights how I disagree with Pete and agree with Rainn. The idea of there just being stories internally and god comes to us as whatever stimuli... seems like a cop out. Why do I care if something is a cop out? I don't know... I guess because of integrity
Rainn is pushing against the cheap grace of psychodelics...I love it. Folks using it as a personal improvement tool.. Cheap grace for the privileged. Saying your parents did their best is cheap grace too. They didn't do their best all the time. Forgive them any way.
Isn’t that the mercy that Pete talks about?
“Cheap grace” think about that phrase…
How much does grace cost? 🤔
So beautiful boys.
Ululation, Rainn, not uvulation 🤦♀️
My parents could have done better, too. Psychedelics help a lot of people who otherwise might not self-actualize, in a similar way that being sober and your privileged ability to focus on self-improvement helps you.
Bah'ai is a faith founded on misogynistic and homophobic beliefs, but there are genuinely, earnestly, progressive members of the faith. Humans are walking contradictions! (Which feels like the point of this entire discussion.)