Erik, you should look at yourself when Jack is talking. You are on the edge of your seat listening, focused on his every word. For someone with your accomplishments to do that speaks volumes about Jack’s knowledge.
Did this. Worked up ladder loads adding .2gr to eventually exceed the pressure rating in my factory action. I found a power node below and another node above max. pressure. Shot one more load +.2gr above the highest power node to confirm combustion was falling apart again. Until listening to Jack, I'd never have done that.
@@dennism8346 are you talking above pressure or above published data? I always test passed published data but so many people get sad, I just watch brass and primers for pressure signs and bolt lift
@@taylorbokshowan5713 all the test powder charges are within published data. BUT, I'm theoretically at SAAMI max. pressure for the low power node. no brass issues. keeping an eye on the primers. no bolt lift problems. post-firing shoulder dimensions are all consistent. going to test the lower power node again with +/-.1gr to see if this node really works.
Well Jack did not mention that Walt Berger (using the load Jack mention) shoot a ,165" group in match 4 in LV at 200yards in Calgary. I shoot a ,485" group on the next bench beside him. He shot two sighter shoots witch are on the same spot as the final group. Doing this at 90 years is amazing. And Jack Neary shoot a world record in Calgary a nice ,110" at 200yards, so the load must have worked! Thank you for this videos.
In short range benchrest the barrel twists are on the ragged edge of stability. In various long range competitions I believe more conservative (tighter) twists are used.
Thank you both. Back in the 70s there was great debate over why a 174 Grain Sierra MHP going 2550 from a 24" 1 in 10 twist was was the choice for the military. I had little data compared to what you can obtain with modern instrumentation. I can tell you that it shot well at 1,000 yards and was an improvement to the 168 grain pill.
@@ErikCortina heads up video on Twitter with former Def sec Leon peonetta admitting that he was with General Milly on 2 calls to China conspiring to overthrow our govmt n President Trump msm silent.alao please see Former spec ops n ex dea Jeffrey prather Rumble titled Dangle Milley Saturday sniper's, revolution behind the scenes Now, tolly bon being transported across the USA
@@ErikCortinaGot a question for you. I developed a load that worked great for a long time, this last time I took it out the groups opened up I felt like I was making great shots. Do I need to adjust the load or is the barrel gone?
Thank you Eric and the other gentleman for this information! I love hearing stuff like this... please do more on topic ov powder charge ... Like he said... we dont know what we dont know... so just keep talking about the same thing some more please...like 8 -12 hours more plz!!! :))) Love ya Erik! Would love to meet you one day and shoot long distance.
Man would I like to spend some time at the reloading bench or shooting range with you guys. Very interesting information that you shared. Not exactly sure I've ever seen a Hummer Barrel but sure would like to put some trigger time with one. Stay well guys. God Bless.
Honestly I think I might have one, too soon to tell yet. I did a ladder test, and then went to seating depth. First 2 seating depths shot .30 and .35 I said hell with it and that was my seating depth. I need to re test now the barrel has a few rounds now but it out shoots me for sure
I’m concerned about barrel burners but I need an IDOD, amp annealer, zero press etc….this isn’t directed at you, just the general f class guy…….great series!! Keep them coming
Well, it actually makes sense if you think about it. We like consistency, and if you are always developing loads for barrel burner, there is no consistency there.
Had a great load for my 6.5 that was about 1/2 grain below max published charge. Wasn’t showing any pressure signs whatsoever, so I continued on up to max and just over. The max published load, was money! Same hole groups, and brass looked almost new. I’ve stopped at what I thought was a good enough load lots of times, that was well below a max charge. Makes me want to go back and try a little hotter and see if i can find another node.
Powder pressure is the difference between drag out and push out of the barrel. Someone once told me that a bullet does not move at the same rate in the barrel. That is slows at intervals before exiting. Perhaps more powder takes this drag away.
This is awesome! Great interviews and ideas! I live in North Olmsted and only a beginner finding shooting as a very complex and interesting subject and hobby that you have planted a seed on Erik!!! How i wish I could meet Jack one day and maybe be his protege?? 😁🤞 You guys are amazing!
we found back in the late 80's that dry powder and slower speeds on big bullets 30 cal 220 smks shot better at 1000 yds didn't get those flyers...but things have changed..Ol Shaky..diff lot's of powder = moisture content variation=rabbit hole
No one should tell you to add powder till it shoots good there’s a thing called max load for a reason. My friend blinks always loaded max and many of his guns were stretched beyond safe
Its probably 90 percent gun/ammo. Unless the wind is high shooter skill has been reduced to the point that anyone can do it. Now if the gun had huge recoil that would separate as it takes more to shoot good groups knowing you have a huge kick some guys cant do it.
With so many gunpowder available, is the particular you use Temperature Sensitive? The IMR 7977 was tested at a low 15° below 😱 working fine only a 258 fps. Slower than normal temp.
The paste you are talking about to clean your barrel is it, iosso bore cleaner? Also do you use their brushes or does it not matter which nylon brush that you use?
Question for you or anyone else that can answer - if my barrel likes a certain type of bullet and bullet weight, if I run out of powder do I need to do tests with all the bullet weights with the new powder or is it assumed that the barrel still likes that bullet and I just need to work up a new load with the new powder?
@@redraiderreloading7612 I have put 30.5........10 inch tube (grey water line used to attach faucets or toilet to copper or pex line)epoxied to my lee funnel, slowly trickled in from a film canister, fills it halfway up the neck of my PPC cases. With my reamer the base would be just barely be crunching the powder.
@@calvinyanchycki200 I use a double 10"drop tube , which means yes 20" of drop !True it helps fit 30,5 gr of N133 in a PPC case . BUT , guys , this is talking about reloading receipes : BEWARE ! 30,5 gr of WHICH 133 ? in Europe , our 2019 N133 isn't worth much past 29,5 , when 2013 required a lot more , shooting boattail bullets that had a relatively short friction cylinder , seated at just touching the lands with zero tension , in very clean barrels, in very good annealed cases with a very controlled neck tension. True , some heavier loads might mean the base of the boattail crushes powder a bit , but as we shoot them a few minutes after reloading , they won't have time to push the bullet back up - uh , yes , this actually happens- .
You are talking different cartriges here 6ppc vrs .284 bullet BC completely different we all know Bc goes up with velocity . A 6mm bullet with a B.C in the high .4-5 G1 range is going to benifit from higher velocity than a 7mm bullet that starts in the .700 B.C range with standard velicity. This is why the 6 Dasher beats out the 6BR and 6ppc at 1,000 yard when they whoop all over it in short range out to 300 yards
I have a question. I see most hover around 2800 in 284. Let's say lot change is 40 fps slower with same charge of last lot. Do you up the charge to get back to 2800 or do you find new node for new lot ? Love these video. Cheers
about hummer barrels being an "anomaly" , lets remember a barrel is defined as a blank that has been chambered ( centered both sides on a lathe ...) , tenoned , threaded , bored , and finally chambered , cut to length , muzzle crowned or faced ....blanks might be brothers in lot numbers , chambered barrels are the result of the gunsmith's hours of work ( in BR often the shooter himself ) : the work might not succeed exactly the same every time . Indexation of the muzzle vector in the vertical plane being often skipped ( or impossible, or forgotten ) a blank might become a hummer by pure thread luck ... I know for a fact that great shooters receive selected blanks from the barrel makers ( selected maybe by the guy who makes the final bore polish ...? ) and that they have tried measurements methods to presume a blank will make a good barrel ( needle comparator on the lathe to measure groove/lands shape regularity for example ) , but this seems to be a waste of time . Chambered barrels might produce a better BR shooter career if the chambering is done always with the same shooter owned finish reamer , by the same gunsmith with the same ( Gritters) method , also because the chamber-custom FL resizer will always produce predictable resizing , same with chamber specific seater . I would like to hear great HOF shooter-great gunsmith-succesful dealer Lester Bruno's take on blanks evaluations vs barrel results .
Erik, you should look at yourself when Jack is talking. You are on the edge of your seat listening, focused on his every word. For someone with your accomplishments to do that speaks volumes about Jack’s knowledge.
Jack is awesome. I always enjoy learning, especially from someone like Jack that is willing to share as much info as he does. :)
Here's a secret:
Vihtavouri Powder's youtube channel has a 13 part series of Jack Neary giving pure gold to help shooters learn.
:) Now if we could just buy vihtavouri powder…
All joking aside thanks, I will look it up.
Thank You
The collective internet ”load safe loads bellow pressure”
Jack Neary “if it doesn’t shoot add powder till it does” lol
One important aspect of this, these loads are in custom actions.
Did this. Worked up ladder loads adding .2gr to eventually exceed the pressure rating in my factory action. I found a power node below and another node above max. pressure. Shot one more load +.2gr above the highest power node to confirm combustion was falling apart again. Until listening to Jack, I'd never have done that.
@@dennism8346 are you talking above pressure or above published data? I always test passed published data but so many people get sad, I just watch brass and primers for pressure signs and bolt lift
@@taylorbokshowan5713 all the test powder charges are within published data. BUT, I'm theoretically at SAAMI max. pressure for the low power node. no brass issues. keeping an eye on the primers. no bolt lift problems. post-firing shoulder dimensions are all consistent. going to test the lower power node again with +/-.1gr to see if this node really works.
Well Jack did not mention that Walt Berger (using the load Jack mention) shoot a ,165" group in match 4 in LV at 200yards in Calgary. I shoot a ,485" group on the next bench beside him. He shot two sighter shoots witch are on the same spot as the final group. Doing this at 90 years is amazing. And Jack Neary shoot a world record in Calgary a nice ,110" at 200yards, so the load must have worked! Thank you for this videos.
Wow, that’s impressive.
Love these interviews with other pro shooters. Great information and you're bringing in your experiences. Love watching your show
Keep them coming Erik! Nothing like learning something new everyday 🤓
Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
If you are thinking about supporting anyone on RUclips for shooting information. This is the man.
Love all your content. I’m not a competitive shooter and a novice reloader but love the technical depths you get into.
This is such a great conversation. I really like when you talk about the differences in discipline; but the core is the same.
Thanks much for the sharing enjoyed it.❤️👍
In short range benchrest the barrel twists are on the ragged edge of stability. In various long range competitions I believe more conservative (tighter) twists are used.
Thank you both. Back in the 70s there was great debate over why a 174 Grain Sierra MHP going 2550 from a 24" 1 in 10 twist was was the choice for the military. I had little data compared to what you can obtain with modern instrumentation. I can tell you that it shot well at 1,000 yards and was an improvement to the 168 grain pill.
Your content is much appreciated. Very inspiring. 💪
Great job. Thanks. J.
Excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to film and edit it and of course for positing it for our benefit. Keep up the good work! -Migs
Great job
Thanks for the video series with Jack. Very interesting and informative.
More to come!
@@ErikCortina heads up video on Twitter with former Def sec Leon peonetta admitting that he was with General Milly on 2 calls to China conspiring to overthrow our govmt n President Trump msm silent.alao please see Former spec ops n ex dea Jeffrey prather Rumble titled Dangle Milley Saturday sniper's, revolution behind the scenes Now, tolly bon being transported across the USA
@@ErikCortinaGot a question for you. I developed a load that worked great for a long time, this last time I took it out the groups opened up I felt like I was making great shots. Do I need to adjust the load or is the barrel gone?
Love listening to two great shooters from two different disciplines..
This is such an informative series, I'm learning so much, thank you for putting this together!
Thank you Eric and the other gentleman for this information! I love hearing stuff like this... please do more on topic ov powder charge ... Like he said... we dont know what we dont know... so just keep talking about the same thing some more please...like 8 -12 hours more plz!!! :))) Love ya Erik! Would love to meet you one day and shoot long distance.
LMAO
Ok. 😂
Again, totally awesome! Thanks for the video.
Thoughrolly enjoy all these extremely interesting & informative articles 👍
Glad you like them!
WOW so much knowledge
Thanks for these, Erik.
Glad you like them!
This is absolutely fascinating. Thank you.
Man would I like to spend some time at the reloading bench or shooting range with you guys. Very interesting information that you shared. Not exactly sure I've ever seen a Hummer Barrel but sure would like to put some trigger time with one. Stay well guys. God Bless.
Honestly I think I might have one, too soon to tell yet. I did a ladder test, and then went to seating depth. First 2 seating depths shot .30 and .35 I said hell with it and that was my seating depth. I need to re test now the barrel has a few rounds now but it out shoots me for sure
@@taylorbokshowan5713 .3 aint a hummer .05 is a hummer need to remove 1 bullet hole then u have a hummer
@@planeiron241the barrell might shoot .05 but I don't...
Great stuff Erik. Looking forward to the next one.
These are great interviews.
I’m concerned about barrel burners but I need an IDOD, amp annealer, zero press etc….this isn’t directed at you, just the general f class guy…….great series!! Keep them coming
Well, it actually makes sense if you think about it.
We like consistency, and if you are always developing loads for barrel burner, there is no consistency there.
Thank you 😊
Had a great load for my 6.5 that was about 1/2 grain below max published charge. Wasn’t showing any pressure signs whatsoever, so I continued on up to max and just over. The max published load, was money! Same hole groups, and brass looked almost new. I’ve stopped at what I thought was a good enough load lots of times, that was well below a max charge. Makes me want to go back and try a little hotter and see if i can find another node.
Thank you Sir for good lessons 👍💯
Powder pressure is the difference between drag out and push out of the barrel. Someone once told me that a bullet does not move at the same rate in the barrel. That is slows at intervals before exiting. Perhaps more powder takes this drag away.
This is awesome! Great interviews and ideas! I live in North Olmsted and only a beginner finding shooting as a very complex and interesting subject and hobby that you have planted a seed on Erik!!! How i wish I could meet Jack one day and maybe be his protege?? 😁🤞 You guys are amazing!
we found back in the late 80's that dry powder and slower speeds on big bullets 30 cal 220 smks shot better at 1000 yds didn't get those flyers...but things have changed..Ol Shaky..diff lot's of powder = moisture content variation=rabbit hole
No one should tell you to add powder till it shoots good there’s a thing called max load for a reason. My friend blinks always loaded max and many of his guns were stretched beyond safe
The slower nodes reduce stress on the barrel and have less muzzle pressure... No one believes me but muzzle pressure effects a lot
Thankyou
Love it.
Mr Cortina, Could you do a quick story time video on "hummer" barrel?
Would love to see jacks views on reading groups ,greats knowledge
This video had the feeling of two guys with big kahunas acknowledging each other with jargon and inside talk. I got nothing out of it.
Its probably 90 percent gun/ammo. Unless the wind is high shooter skill has been reduced to the point that anyone can do it. Now if the gun had huge recoil that would separate as it takes more to shoot good groups knowing you have a huge kick some guys cant do it.
Interesting aspects on powder loads.
A question that's been on my mind since i began watching Erik's videos; does the F in 'F Class' stand for anything, and if so what?
With so many gunpowder available, is the particular you use Temperature Sensitive? The IMR 7977 was tested at a low 15° below 😱 working fine only a 258 fps. Slower than normal temp.
HI Erik 🙂 , is your rifle powder , also useful for pistol cartridges?
The paste you are talking about to clean your barrel is it, iosso bore cleaner? Also do you use their brushes or does it not matter which nylon brush that you use?
Hi Everyone I must have missed or was there no mention of the caliber and bullet weight :) Thank You
Erik, what scales are best for weighing powder charge when loading for accuracy(without breaking the bank)?
Question for you or anyone else that can answer - if my barrel likes a certain type of bullet and bullet weight, if I run out of powder do I need to do tests with all the bullet weights with the new powder or is it assumed that the barrel still likes that bullet and I just need to work up a new load with the new powder?
30.5 grains of n133 bet there was alot of crunch in that seating process
It is called a LONG drop tube and a slow pour.....
@@calvinyanchycki200 I g.
et 30.1 or so and my case is over flowing almost
29.5 I'm at the bottom of the neck
@@redraiderreloading7612 I have put 30.5........10 inch tube (grey water line used to attach faucets or toilet to copper or pex line)epoxied to my lee funnel, slowly trickled in from a film canister, fills it halfway up the neck of my PPC cases. With my reamer the base would be just barely be crunching the powder.
@@calvinyanchycki200 I use a double 10"drop tube , which means yes 20" of drop !True it helps fit 30,5 gr of N133 in a PPC case . BUT , guys , this is talking about reloading receipes : BEWARE ! 30,5 gr of WHICH 133 ? in Europe , our 2019 N133 isn't worth much past 29,5 , when 2013 required a lot more , shooting boattail bullets that had a relatively short friction cylinder , seated at just touching the lands with zero tension , in very clean barrels, in very good annealed cases with a very controlled neck tension. True , some heavier loads might mean the base of the boattail crushes powder a bit , but as we shoot them a few minutes after reloading , they won't have time to push the bullet back up - uh , yes , this actually happens- .
You are talking different cartriges here 6ppc vrs .284 bullet BC completely different we all know Bc goes up with velocity . A 6mm bullet with a B.C in the high .4-5 G1 range is going to benifit from higher velocity than a 7mm bullet that starts in the .700 B.C range with standard velicity. This is why the 6 Dasher beats out the 6BR and 6ppc at 1,000 yard when they whoop all over it in short range out to 300 yards
What equipment is Jack using?
hey eric what do you think of hbn coating the bullets would you ever give it a try
Don’t care for it. No.
I have a question. I see most hover around 2800 in 284. Let's say lot change is 40 fps slower with same charge of last lot. Do you up the charge to get back to 2800 or do you find new node for new lot ? Love these video. Cheers
Speed is not a node. Different powders and powder lots will tune at different speeds.
When in doubt, believe the target.
Thanks Sir. I will then start over with this new lot. Cheers
about hummer barrels being an "anomaly" , lets remember a barrel is defined as a blank that has been chambered ( centered both sides on a lathe ...) , tenoned , threaded , bored , and finally chambered , cut to length , muzzle crowned or faced ....blanks might be brothers in lot numbers , chambered barrels are the result of the gunsmith's hours of work ( in BR often the shooter himself ) : the work might not succeed exactly the same every time . Indexation of the muzzle vector in the vertical plane being often skipped ( or impossible, or forgotten ) a blank might become a hummer by pure thread luck ... I know for a fact that great shooters receive selected blanks from the barrel makers ( selected maybe by the guy who makes the final bore polish ...? ) and that they have tried measurements methods to presume a blank will make a good barrel ( needle comparator on the lathe to measure groove/lands shape regularity for example ) , but this seems to be a waste of time . Chambered barrels might produce a better BR shooter career if the chambering is done always with the same shooter owned finish reamer , by the same gunsmith with the same ( Gritters) method , also because the chamber-custom FL resizer will always produce predictable resizing , same with chamber specific seater . I would like to hear great HOF shooter-great gunsmith-succesful dealer Lester Bruno's take on blanks evaluations vs barrel results .
I shot at a match not long ago Wayne Camble was ther.
I wonder who the idiot is that disliked this?? Great conversation.
Get some.
So, your competing against people with the most money????? I heard David Tubb who doesn’t use rest or bags but a sling, shoot pretty good ?
Yes, they check our bank accounts. Whoever has most money that day gets the trophy.
@@ErikCortina 😂😂😂
@1:00 "now, if you have a very good gun and good hands, ya know you're just going to kill people" Huh? lol
40 gr
Poke eyes out of memories. Sub 27