Amazing video, but I just wanted to make some minor comments on stuff I think it should be noted: China steps is in 4/4 throughout the whole song. The guitar lines in themselves are really really simple, the interplay between the left and right channel is what makes them sound tricky, aside from the fact that they’re oddly placed in the weak accents in the beat, making everything much more syncopated and difficult to follow.
An update: I actually met Patrick Flegel last year and he had no idea of anything I was talking about, lol! He seemed quite surprised and amused when I started nerding about some compositional techniques the band used on the record. The man is all intuition and zero music theory, which makes everything even more amazing.
@SpikeHunter3 those are b-sides/outtakes released posthumously, so I wouldn't count those. Eyesore and Public Strain in general are their true career closers
Hey, about Locust Valley, not sure if you know but the band were clearly large fans of Ray Johnson, an artist who lived most of his life in Locust Valley, and who committed suicide at Sag Harbor Bridge (thus the other song title.) He also used to hand out badges which would say “Venice Lockjaw”, so his influence on them was very clear. I feel like his art very closely mirrors Women’s music, both managing to show a very understated, almost taciturn pain. The bands lyrics also remind me of Johnson’s method of placing stamps and doodles over his pieces, much like sentence fragments and thoughts throughout a song.
This video made me feel way less lonely in my appreciation for this band. Especially at this current time. Thank you, a lot! My case with this album was the exact opposite. I was finding myself in a constant mental state of apathy. An overwhelming one. With Public Strain, for the first time in many years, by the end of the record, I was actually bursting into tears, while listening to it on a cloudy night, leaning on my windowsill. I guess this album helped me cope with the isolation I felt this whole year and that it's okay not being able to feel anything for anyone at times.
Fantastic video, honestly none of Viet Cong/ Preoccupations' output accomplish what Public Strain did to me, not even nearly. I love it so dearly. A special work.
That statement you made at the end of video... The feeling that this album is important to you. I feel the same way and there isn't any specific reason for it. I was exposed to this album while I was in college, but it didn't really click with me until a few years later. Around 2018, I think. There wasn't a particular event that made me "get it," rather I found myself relating to the overall feeling that Public Strain invokes. It is haunting, ominous, maybe even a bit "threatening" at times but it is also very comforting. I have OCD and have struggled with anxiety for my entire life; something about Public Strain seems to understand. The band seems to know what it feels like to be anxious and alienated from the world. They know the ironic sense of apathy those feelings can bring into your mind. Unique is the best way to describe it. It is one of the albums that inspired me to become a musician myself. It has quickly become one of my favorite albums of all time, right alongside David Bowie's "Station to Station" and Daniel Johnston's "Hi, How Are You."
I feel strongly about this album as well. Especially relate to the notion that it is not even necessarily due to a social or emotional catalyst in my life. Or if there was, I have long forgotten that, but the memories of listening to the album remain. Love the video
great video. one of my favourite albums of all time, definitely. i never thought about what you said about the no choruses, and it makes a lot of sense. the album really sounds like a whole, cohesive kind of thing. unfortunately theyre never going to get together because of the unfortunate untimely passing of Chris Reimer. he was a very gifted musician and it is a great loss.
interesting. i think this is the only analysis on Women on youtube. It’s a special niche and the few fans they have all really connect over shit like this. very cool.
Great video on a legendary record. I found it a few years ago and didn't "get it". I then rediscovered it in some old playlist a year ago and it's still on repeat to this day. This thing is seriously addicting.
Bruder! I was just trying to find any kind of analysis on this album wich is probably my favorite album of all the time. The first listen was kind of weird and I was not really hooked by any song - but digging the vibe anyway. Whats so great about the abstract lyrics and structures: It lets you experience this album many times more than an album wich is lyrically and structurally all clear from the first listen on. Even now, ten years later and frequently listend to, I discover stuff I never noticed/heard before.
I played support slot for what I think might have been Viet Congs last ever show under that name. Women were just before my time. Love women and Cindy Lee, I'm finding myself gravitating more towards pat's work as I get more into home recording myself. These records are phenomenal
This is a cool little vid! I was pretty quickly taken aback when hearing Public Strain and still return to it often, even 10 years later. I think it's safe to say that they won't be getting back together tho, since the guitarist died.
I love this video so much, Women is probably one of the most important bands in my life along Palm, Mothers and Preoccupations which are not too far of being in the same area, but still they don't sound as great as Women. Also I was wondering, what were Pat and Mat fighting about?
Man this Band is so important. There are so many great new Bands out there that try to sound like women. To bad my friends cant really see the beauty behind the roughness in their sound. They just dont get it. :(
Awesome video. Although I disagree that nothing has sounded sonically similar in the past 10 years. I think some bands have done their best impressions. Ought comes to mind. But I would say public strain has never been replicated by any measure
cool vid!! but it should be noted that pat flegel uses they/them pronouns, as demonstrated by the press releases for what's tonight to eternity by cindy lee. cant remember who it was but somebody who did an interview around the same time confirmed pat's pronoun preference.
Amazing video, but I just wanted to make some minor comments on stuff I think it should be noted:
China steps is in 4/4 throughout the whole song. The guitar lines in themselves are really really simple, the interplay between the left and right channel is what makes them sound tricky, aside from the fact that they’re oddly placed in the weak accents in the beat, making everything much more syncopated and difficult to follow.
An update: I actually met Patrick Flegel last year and he had no idea of anything I was talking about, lol!
He seemed quite surprised and amused when I started nerding about some compositional techniques the band used on the record.
The man is all intuition and zero music theory, which makes everything even more amazing.
Eyesore is not only one of the greatest album closers but one of the best career closers.
but they released multiple singles (Service Animal/Grey Skies 7’ & Bullfight) after eyesore?
@SpikeHunter3 those are b-sides/outtakes released posthumously, so I wouldn't count those. Eyesore and Public Strain in general are their true career closers
Hey, about Locust Valley, not sure if you know but the band were clearly large fans of Ray Johnson, an artist who lived most of his life in Locust Valley, and who committed suicide at Sag Harbor Bridge (thus the other song title.) He also used to hand out badges which would say “Venice Lockjaw”, so his influence on them was very clear. I feel like his art very closely mirrors Women’s music, both managing to show a very understated, almost taciturn pain. The bands lyrics also remind me of Johnson’s method of placing stamps and doodles over his pieces, much like sentence fragments and thoughts throughout a song.
Amazing insight. Thank you.
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This video made me feel way less lonely in my appreciation for this band. Especially at this current time. Thank you, a lot!
My case with this album was the exact opposite. I was finding myself in a constant mental state of apathy. An overwhelming one. With Public Strain, for the first time in many years, by the end of the record, I was actually bursting into tears, while listening to it on a cloudy night, leaning on my windowsill. I guess this album helped me cope with the isolation I felt this whole year and that it's okay not being able to feel anything for anyone at times.
So happy to see someone talk about these guys they really dont get recognition they deserve
Fantastic video, honestly none of Viet Cong/ Preoccupations' output accomplish what Public Strain did to me, not even nearly. I love it so dearly. A special work.
Death moves me with every listen.
Viet Cong and cassette are up their with public strain for me
@@sillypengie2052 I can relate. Death is really something special.
BEEN WAITING FOR ANY VIDEO ON WOMEN OMG
That statement you made at the end of video... The feeling that this album is important to you. I feel the same way and there isn't any specific reason for it. I was exposed to this album while I was in college, but it didn't really click with me until a few years later. Around 2018, I think. There wasn't a particular event that made me "get it," rather I found myself relating to the overall feeling that Public Strain invokes. It is haunting, ominous, maybe even a bit "threatening" at times but it is also very comforting. I have OCD and have struggled with anxiety for my entire life; something about Public Strain seems to understand. The band seems to know what it feels like to be anxious and alienated from the world. They know the ironic sense of apathy those feelings can bring into your mind. Unique is the best way to describe it. It is one of the albums that inspired me to become a musician myself.
It has quickly become one of my favorite albums of all time, right alongside David Bowie's "Station to Station" and Daniel Johnston's "Hi, How Are You."
I feel strongly about this album as well. Especially relate to the notion that it is not even necessarily due to a social or emotional catalyst in my life. Or if there was, I have long forgotten that, but the memories of listening to the album remain. Love the video
thanks for making this, every person who makes women related content has my respect, they deserve all the analysis
public strain is a melancholic masterpiece and im happy to see any video discussing one of my personal favorite albums.
great video. one of my favourite albums of all time, definitely. i never thought about what you said about the no choruses, and it makes a lot of sense. the album really sounds like a whole, cohesive kind of thing.
unfortunately theyre never going to get together because of the unfortunate untimely passing of Chris Reimer. he was a very gifted musician and it is a great loss.
One of the best bands of all time.
interesting. i think this is the only analysis on Women on youtube. It’s a special niche and the few fans they have all really connect over shit like this. very cool.
Great video on a legendary record. I found it a few years ago and didn't "get it". I then rediscovered it in some old playlist a year ago and it's still on repeat to this day. This thing is seriously addicting.
Bruder!
I was just trying to find any kind of analysis on this album wich is probably my favorite album of all the time.
The first listen was kind of weird and I was not really hooked by any song - but digging the vibe anyway.
Whats so great about the abstract lyrics and structures: It lets you experience this album many times more than an album wich is lyrically and structurally all clear from the first listen on.
Even now, ten years later and frequently listend to, I discover stuff I never noticed/heard before.
Definitely my all time favorite band man i really wish they were still around
Public Strain is great but Shaking Hands is definitely on my Top 3 favorite songs ever.
I played support slot for what I think might have been Viet Congs last ever show under that name. Women were just before my time. Love women and Cindy Lee, I'm finding myself gravitating more towards pat's work as I get more into home recording myself. These records are phenomenal
Bloody love this band, great video!
This is a cool little vid! I was pretty quickly taken aback when hearing Public Strain and still return to it often, even 10 years later. I think it's safe to say that they won't be getting back together tho, since the guitarist died.
my favourite band that I discovered last year during quarantine
This is great, thanks for making it.
Happy to see more women appreciation even so long after their breakup, the rarities ep has some awesome moments on there too.
I love this video so much, Women is probably one of the most important bands in my life along Palm, Mothers and Preoccupations which are not too far of being in the same area, but still they don't sound as great as Women.
Also I was wondering, what were Pat and Mat fighting about?
Man this Band is so important. There are so many great new Bands out there that try to sound like women. To bad my friends cant really see the beauty behind the roughness in their sound. They just dont get it. :(
Awesome video. Although I disagree that nothing has sounded sonically similar in the past 10 years. I think some bands have done their best impressions. Ought comes to mind. But I would say public strain has never been replicated by any measure
Awesome video, thank you. Is there anywhere I can find the full video of them playing ~5:00m? That footage looks great.
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7:20 well said
cool vid!! but it should be noted that pat flegel uses they/them pronouns, as demonstrated by the press releases for what's tonight to eternity by cindy lee. cant remember who it was but somebody who did an interview around the same time confirmed pat's pronoun preference.
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