The Challenge Season MTV Wants You To Forget Ever Happened - Why The Inferno 3 "The Lost Season"
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The Challenge has had many seasons but none surrounded in mystery like The Challenge season 14 The Inferno 3. Paramount Plus has the most The Challenge seasons in one place but the one season missing in the middle of the block of seasons they have is The Inferno 3. Why don't they have The Inferno 3? Is it really because of copyright issues? Or is there something else keeping it away from the public's eye?
Hear my The Challenge theories on why I think MTV & The Challenge don't have The Inferno 3 available to on a streaming service not now OR EVER!!! As I think The Inferno 3 is The Challenge season MTV wants you to forget ever happened.
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The fact that bananas was once considered a good guy to be on the good guys team is hysterical 😂😂
It was the behavior he displayed during parts of his Real World Key West experience; that was the only time when he was nice to anyone, mainly Paula, though he would betray her after their Real World season, starting with The Island.
Bananas wasn't the guy that he is today until The Island. His behavior on that season was so disgusting that there was no turning back at that point. He even tried to be a bit more humble on The Ruins, but his argument with Wes put him back in the villain role and he's been playing that card ever since.
I recently watched Inferno 3 and when they introduced a player on the good guys named John it took me til his first confessional to realize it was Bananas
@@dylancrook5948 where did you watch it? I haven't seen it since it aired.
Lmao exactly I came to say just that.
Susie is legitimately one of the meanest girls that has ever been on the show but for some reason she was always painted as the good girl. On The Ruins she played the victim when Darrell didn't do what she wanted and she fat-shamed Veronica by calling her "Chunks" in addition to leading this brigade against Tonya in Inferno 3. Kina had her pegged in Gauntlet 2
And then when she was called out she cried
She was the worst.
i agree. i hate susie on the challenge. her jabs didnt get by me either. however, i love her as a matured adult on her and Sarah's podcast brain candy.
I find it hard to feel bad for Veronica, considering she made it a whole part of her personality to bully and slut shame Tonya, but I agree that Susie was not nearly as nice as she is remembered, same with Sarah tho, she’s remembered as one of the nice ones and she spent all of cutthroat belittling and co signing Laurels bullying of other players like Shauvon, Cara Maria, and Luke cuz she didn’t think they were good enough. It’s weird how we see things in the moment versus hindsight
Susie is awful. Still a mean girl in disguise. That stupid Candy or whatever it’s called podcast is a joke. Sarah never knowing what she’s talking about and making up crap and Susie still throwing her digs and pretending to be so intelligent. Also, I’m sorry, but those humongous boobs on Susie look so ridiculous.
I've watched every season of The Challenge!
After watching this I still can't believe Tanya was the only person to sue MTV, Kenny & Evan.. and won!!
What she sued them. OMG what happened. She’s a porn star.
@@avabradley9741when she was asleep they took toothbrushes and inserted in her vagina while she drunk passed out. Camera crew caught it and a cast meme we told her what happened and that how she could sue. Hence the reason we never see them again
@@avabradley9741Kenny and Evan from my knowledge assaulted her with a toothbrush and mtv did nothing to stop them
@@avabradley9741no only did they SA with a toothbrush years later Wes confirmed it was HIS toothbrush! Many ppl still defend Kenny and Evan saying Tonya was crazy and not believing her etc but Wes going on Derrick’s podcast years later and angrily just saying “it was my toothbrush” basically confirm it really happened.
She didn’t win
MTV: "Hey, let's just forget about this Inferno 3 season." 😅
Drew: "NOT ON MY WATCH!!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
My 2 favourite challenge kingz
😂😂😂
There’s so much Tonya shaming throughout various seasons of the show. They attacked her for anything.
Because she sucked?
It was so wrong
The show took an extremely unstable vulnerable girl and knowingly threw her into a toxic environment- they are extremely irresponsible. If they are going to throw boys off for physical abuse they should throw off bully’s / mean girls
@@loridiaz9601 agreed
agreed. i dont like tonya but they did things to deliberately puss her off. and in that environment, she was a bomb. mtv dropped the ball and then some....still do
It’s sooo weird because I remember not liking Tonya when I was younger but now that I’m an adult I don’t have a real reason not to like her. I actually do like who she is but it just shows me how influenced I was over these bullying tactics.
Same
Agree. I look back and am just so sad for her. She was clearly having some mental health issues and everyone took advantage of it.
Lol it’s like a Mandela Effect. Cuz everyone thinks she did stuff when she really didn’t. Many people think there’s stuff there when there’s really kinda not anything at all,
Tanya was a hot head but they were always picking on her
I always been one to go for the under dogs!! My favorite was Katie which was pretty hated!! Oh well 🥴
This highlights just how far CT has come over the years. He is a rare shining example of how people really can change, grow up and be a better person. I suppose there may be other reality personalities out there that have done that but he is the only one I can think of that we have been able to witness the change and growth. Makes me sad to see those days of his again because he is such a lovely person now that I really root for.
Mike “the situation” sorrentino, from Jersey shore, has had a similar journey. I never thought I’d ever like him but he’s really changed these days and I can actually stand to watch him 😂 but I agree about ct, I love him, he’s my favorite challenger.
But has he really changed much? He still looks down on people (like Big T, Veroncia) and he still relies only on his size and intimidation to get him through
@@WaffleHootchie I think he has changed. The Big T argument can go both ways. Yes, he did her dirty, but when he was paired with her he was truly supportive and caring. And even if it all boils down to he is too old to give a f*** now (which I don't think is entirely the case) he is not as hot-headed as he once was. He's not looking for fights or to stir up drama. He may rely on his reputation to get him through, but I don't think that is the same as intimidation.
@@WaffleHootchie CT was a genuinely bad person, the thing with he and Big T was game related. The two do not compare at all.
@@WaffleHootchie he definitely had changed. And he left Big T because he needed to make that final run in the elimination he was just trying to be honest, but he's still a Boston guy. Come on you see that dont you? And he doesn't intimidated anyone, everyone ACTS intimidated. He's admitted he has been beaten by smaller people.
This show is a guilty pleasure. I love how it captures the time periods throughout the years. You can go back and watch how racist and misogynistic and hypocritical the show was/is. It really reflects reality well
PERIOD!!! When I went back 2 years ago to start a rewatch from the early seasons starting with Season 10 and WOW!! The BALLS on the mid to late 2000s was showing lol it was very entertaining and also very telling of what was deemed appropriate back then. Which was not so long ago shockingly. The key difference is looking at how the editing or producers just passed by certain things without acknowledging it or making it seem like a big deal. Comments, actions, visuals, ect. Lol what a time capsule. Cringy but I love to look at where we’ve “grown” from.
The producers let a girl get raped on camera and did nothing
Remember the “he, she, it” poem
Yes! This was really shown in The Island too…it really reflected those times.
Where can I watch seasons 1-10
Multiple things can be true. Tonya can be a victim of SA and she can be a bully. Just because she is one does not mean she deserved to be the other. The same is true about others.
Exactly
100% true.
well said
Yes but I’m this case I fail to see when tonya was a bully, she mostly did stuff in retaliation to being bullied.
@@sexcidamon I agree, I’m just saying it’s indisputable that she was a victim.
You’re right. This season was peak toxicity that would NEVER fly today, and rightfully so.
That and the Island too lol 😂
And Gauntlet 3. A very toxic time for the challenge indeed.
Remember boys, trim the fat!
Lol this why television is trash now a days because everything is considered “Toxic”
But I do miss raw seasons like this that go out of hand and wild coz sometimes the show feels a bit rigged these days
Darrell literally destroyed Brad that shit was wild, and no one could stop it
The more I think of it the more I realize how poorly Tonya was treated on her seasons I feel bad for her
Let's see she was un-athletic, and slept with everyone.
Shocked she didn't give people STD'S.
The problem with Tonya was that many of the cast didn’t like her outside of the show and that played into how she was treated.
Every single episode she was on she was bullied even the remake. 😞
Wait till you hear about how Kenny and Evan sexually assaulted her while she was unconscious! That’s why they were banned
@@sarahmcbride5055 cant believe this hasn't been blown up and legitimate justice hasn't been given to her
It is definitely not the copyright issue. If you turn your captions on in some of the older seasons, you can see the lyrics of the past songs but a completely different song will be playing because of copyright issues. This whole season was a mess and I think you are right, everything else together was too much. And new fans might get the absolute wrong picture from this season. You know, 5th sport and all that crap.
I've noticed that too! With the different lyrics playing in closed captions lol
I thought it was just a glitch! Now I know.
In my opinion the reason they keep this season under wraps is because of the Kenny/Evan incident. Overall the cast behavior on this season is ridiculous and it's obvious that production completely failed at creating an environment that was safe for the cast (especially the women)... You can see how shit could escalate to Kenny sexually assaulting Tonya and thinking it was funny or no big deal, when you have seasons where so much bullying and sexual harassment was tolerated and treated as entertaining drama for the show. To be honest it's disappointing that Johnny was allowed to continue and be really the face of the franchise for years. He seemed to be a ringleader for harassing the women in his early seasons.
I totally agree, but it still doesn't quite make sense though because The Ruins is where the assault took place and that season is readily available.
While you are probably right in spirit, this was a time in the challenge where the behavior towards women sucked full stop. Both from men and women. However the Tonya assault did occur later (the Ruins) and ironically Inferno 3 was a "good" look for Kenny just because by contrast to Johnny, Ace, Danny and CT he comes off well. But I don't think the assault is the specific reason this season is in the scrap heap.
@Brent Wolgamott well no, I realize it didn't happen during this season. I'm just saying the way they chose to edit this season compared to others you can REALLY see the shitty behavior more so than the other seasons. When you watch the Ruins and you watch Inferno 3, if you didn't know anything about things that happened outside of what was on screen, the environment in Inferno 3 looks more toxic bc they aired so much footage of fights/bullying/harassment. I'm sure it was happening just as bad or worse (obviously worse in Tonya's case) on other seasons, but less of it was included in the episodes so a casual viewer wouldn't view those seasons as being as bad.
I agree with you
Kenny, Evan & Johnny were the worst. Their pranks weren't funny at all bc they looked like foolish idiots
All I gotta say is shout out to Alton. I feel like he was always a very chill guy on The Challenges. Landon as well
watching him deal with evan, frank, CJ, and others in Battle of the Seasons 2012 was really respectable. All these wannabe alpha dogs picking on alton just because hes 10 years older than most of them is so annoying to watch.
Dude I DEEPLY miss Landon.
@@ghostflame9211 Evan wasnt on Battle of the Seasons
Thank you for this explanation. I recently started watching the challenge from the oldest season that they’ll allow me to watch and was really wondering why they skipped a whole season. A lot of this show is really hard to watch considering the world we live in today and what we allow to be done/said. The way the men talk about and treat the women is absolutely disgusting; specifically Evan, Kenny, Wes, and Bananas. The way that almost EVERYONE treats Tonya is horrendous! To the point where I truly fear for her mental health after every season. It looks like it traumatizes her. The fact that these people think they are cool for treating people this way is mind blowing and absolutely diluted! On a positive note, I’ve been told that CT completely changes and that makes me happy to hear and I can’t wait to see it. Thank you again for the video!
Ct is definitely better. Have u not been watching the challenge??
@@cinnamin187I mean, she literally started the comment by saying “I just recently started watching The Challenge from the oldest season that they’ll allow me to watch…” So, my guess is when the comment was left that she was not watching the newest episodes considering she was still catching up. That’s why she said “I’ve been told CT completely changes and that makes me so happy to hear and I can’t wait to see it!” I’m sure by this point she’s mostly, if not fully caught up, and has seen how much he’s changed and calmed down.
CT is no longer the hothead he once was - he’s the wise “old man” of the show. But even when he was drinking too much and picking fights, he was never misogynistic.
I think it's to avoid former cast mates from coming forward about their experiences and maybe to avoid lawsuits.
MTV settle the rape lawsuit brought by Tonya over the rape she endured by the perps Kenny and Evan.
Maybe there's a NDA with MTV so that's why it's disappeared.
Inferno 3 is now available on Paramount Plus
Inferno 3 sounds like the most interesting season of all time
Has CT matured over the years? Absolutely. I’m sure a lot of former challenge contestants have matured as they got older. What I find astounding is how CT can be removed in two different seasons for physical violence, yet managed to still stay a regular for the series.
cause we love him LOLOLOLOL
Not just a regular, a 3 time champ and fan favorite.
@@draghag
5 times. Put respect on his name.
3 out of the last 4, which is arguably his greatest achievement.
@@Frostshokula lol my bad 🤣
@@draghag
All good, homie
I remember this not being available shortly after the season aired and producers and the network definitely knew they had the most problematic season immediately.
Wait really??? I’m a newer fan of the show and at the time this aired I was a small child. My mom was not into any of this stuff…been wanting to see this “forbidden” season…can’t seem to find it anywhere it’s like it’s illegal to even talk about.
Thankfully I would record this season on my vcr when it aired
Still have it to this day
@@snowingmarker2786you must be very proud of yourself
@@NWI_Steeli would be proud to i’m tryna see dat footage 😂😭😭
I remember always saying how mean everyone was to Tonya and it was because of THIS season. I think MTV just doesn’t want the heat. They didn’t stop the bullying AT ALL.
Rememebr when Tina got sent home for attacking her? Crazy times.
@@kingofthorns203 remember when Evan and Kenny raped tonya on camera and producers didn’t stop it and the guys didn’t get sent home?
@@kingofthorns203no, Tina got sent home for hitting Beth. Another girl no one liked
Inferno 3 also stands out that did not have traditional Reunion Show. Had Top 10 Moments Special instead. Production treated this season differently from the start.
The Tanya, Kenny, Evan thing is plenty for the entire season to just be wiped from the record. It was probably part of the lawsuit that MTV would never receive profits from that season in the future.
Edit: Apparently that was season 18 ^, this video is about season 14.
That’s what I thought. Sexually assaulting a drunk girl with a toothbrush is a pretty large stain on the season.
Wait…I thought that took place in The Ruins season…
@@carolinagoldgirl8706 Oh, you're right.
@@SilverVayne yep and nonetheless The Ruins is still available to watch in paramount +….I think something else happened in Inferno 3 to make it go away forever. What it is? We don’t know, I wonder if any of the vets will ever talk about it on their podcasts like Johnny Bananas’s podcast death, taxes and bananas.
@@Frostshokulaevidence? Because the courts didn’t receive any
THIS is the content we love to see. Thank you for all the hard work you do Drew. Love to support you and your channel! Also I’m part of an FB group that has a google drive with ALL seasons including 14. We challenge fans know where to go lol
What is the name of the challenge group and does it have Battle of the sexes 2
Whats the name of the group ?
keep it secret. keep it safe
Is there anyway for a person to prove themeselves trustworthy enough to be invited into this group?
I want watch
This was on when I was a child and even back then I knew what they were doing to Tonya was disgusting and wrong. She’s owed several apologies…
if not a fat check from MTV
@@KB-nx2dssupposedly she got one
I'm glad I VHSed Challenge seasons back then.
That's hilarious 🤣
Then share seasons 1-9 😅; can't find em anywhere!
Poor Tonya and how pathetic of Ace to manipulate the situation in a way that he's the victim smh. Also saw some guy in the comments agreeing with Ace "because a girl should know they wouldnt hurt them". Please! How ignorant, unfortunately us women can't afford to give a man the benefit of doubt in a situation where we feel unsafe, women have been assaulted and even murdered for doing so.
Poor Tonya probably had a nickname, "Direct Deposit."
@@molasorrosalom4846lame
The Inferno 3 feels like if the challenge was in some alternate universe
I thought the season was not made available because of the controversy with Timmy's elimination... I've heard from other challengers like Derrick that it was shockingly bad. Timmy's knees looked like bloody ground beef with all the broken glass. Timmy has also recently said that it left him with permanent nerve damage and he never fully recovered. The Challenge team really fumbled the safety testing of that broken glass challenge.
There’s no way it’s because of that, to pull the entire season
WTF???? Never heard about that.
When they show the moment of Timmy's glass pane that falls to the ground when he stands up in the flashback and then watch the actual elimination you don't see any glass pane fly then fall to the ground. I feel like it was edited into the footage.
I think the Timmy injury notes were mostly edited out of original airing (I don't recall it from that time and follow up viewings make it fairly tame, it's still slightly BS just because the reason he lost was a flaw in the challenge but we have seen that before and since without a season getting thrown in the bin) so I tend to think the thick layer of toxicity of this season (along with events around it such as Tonya's assault on the Ruins, CT assault Adam on Duel II, etc) has lead to this being consigned to a shadowy closet.
i remember that !! damn i'm old ... but also can't remember important things or even why i just walked into the kitchen..but show from that long ago ; what you wanna know? i remember all of it lol
Leaving the drama out of it, is leaving half the entertainment out of the series... Sad
Great Work once again :)
Tell me I’m remembering wrong but didn’t Ace in All Stars call everyone a devil and evil?
Yeah, Ace was eliminated first.
Yeah I think he did when they voted him in or something.
I really hate that they are taking out episodes and whole seasons for some reason unknown. We are paying monthly for these streaming services so we want the whole experience!
Yeah the episode one of the duel 2 isn’t there which is a shame. I’m also pretty sure episode 4 of the ruins isn’t on Paramount either.
People used to tell me it was a waste to keep my tapes and DVDs of stuff. I said someday political correctness, now known as wokeness, would attack freedom and censor stuff because snowflakes might cry about it. I was right. That's not to say I condone the behavior, but the bad behavior also can't be undone by hiding it.
@@jaboba69 agreed!
@@jaboba69 It's not your job to condone anything. That was a period of time and these shows captured it. Ironically you get a view into how people acted when there was none of the hypersensitivity, meaning you got to see real human personalities, not the stuff people put on knowing someone might watch and judge.
Y’all are gonna get whatever morsels they throw at you lol just be happy or unsubscribe
I wish MTV's solution wasn't to edit things out and pretend like it didn't happen. They could use these as teachable moments and have actual conversations about what's going on and why it's wrong.
Yeah, after the Kenny-Evan-Tonya issue, I'd imagine they'd want to fridge any "hey, bunch of segments shaming Tonya... for funsies!"
She slept with a Thai hooker? Is that supposed to be applauded?
This was a great deep dive into a very problematic season that most of us do forget since it’s not available. Thank you for the research you put into this and also for calling out bullying on all sides and the toxic and particularly misogynistic behavior of this season. Another great vid!
NGL when a streaming service removes any episodes of any show, I have a hard time watching it at all.
What i learned is CT after being sent home twice. He didn't return for 7 seasons.
7?? After the Duel 2 he was banned for 3
I think you hit all the points correctly. Too much bullying, fighting, and overall things that come off in poor taste would take wayyy too time to edit out and still have full length episodes with correct context. The whole “copyright” thing is funny lol, they literally just have to pull the songs out and put a new score in, and done. It’s definitely not over copyright.
The times have changed, and MTV has too. We were wild, free, and with zero f&cks given! The level of disrespect was acceptable, and this season proved it. It was the tipping point of a group of disgust, and today's MTV can't find any reason to keep it. All your points Drew, were valid. They were definitely hiding certain scenes, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone from the production is best or good friends with some of the guys in the house and was trying to "protect" them somehow. The copyright issue is a scapegoat answer, especially if MTV already has the right to play all the music from the artists during that time and even today.
Inferno 3 is available to stream now... I've watched it multiple times already
Is it heavily edited though?
I agree with you on the copyright issue. I’m currently watching season 29 on Paramount+ and a few episodes ago TJ famously joked that Theo “looks like Britney Spears hanging from there” after pathetically quitting in elimination. In the original broadcast, MTV queues up Britney’s latest record Slumber Party ft. Tinashe but in the Paramount+ episode the music was replaced by some generic/royalty free background sound. No Britney. They have the means and ability to change scenes and remove audio if needed.
As a historian, it sucks to see people manipulate the past. I think all of the seasons as they were shown should be available for those who chose to see it, especially for research. Erasing/forgetting the past helps no one. While I agree they shouldn't make money off of toxic traits of that season. It is very interesting to see what entertainment was contrived of not so long ago, and how society has changed over time. I think a whole seminar paper on American culture could be written from a perspective of reality TV consumption. Incredibly interesting.
CT was troubled for many years, the SA, and the bullying. I totally agree with you on why they've decided to whip new viewers from seeing the way it used to be and what has happened in the past. the early 2000s were brutal when it came to being PC and self aware. LOL
I'm currently rewatching the entire series and you're totally right from what you're showing this season was particularly sexual
I also think they don’t want to show it because the two main people you mentioned in the video is CT and Bananas who basically now are the face of the challenge. It’s kinda funny though that besides CT at the beginning and abram pushing Susie in the pool everything else was the “Good Guys “ doing horrible things
Thank you for this video, Drew. Tbh, this video needs more likes. I was a lot younger when Inferno 3 came out, so my opinion is different now than back then. Honestly, Ace got away with TOO much. He should've been off the show once he put Jenn's hand near his private parts. That's attempted SA. Also, he is very manipulative with Susie. Timmy's controversial elimination is another reason Inferno 3 will never be seen. Lastly, what happened with Tonya is inexcusable. Ace, Kenny and Evan need to be charged with SA.
Great video. Definitely eye opening when it comes to the challenge and how it has involved. Something I would like to point out for you is back during the early days of the challenge they had unlimited access to alcohol. It was until later seasons they started limiting them on how much they could have. I think that was a big problem back then with everyone practically drunk. Also mtv had taken inferno 2 down for a long time and only recently added it back. Inferno 2 had lots of bullying as well involving tonya. It feels like since tonya sided mtv anything with her in it is either censored or not available at all.
Yes, CT has come far. Proud of him for getting his drinking and temper under control. Really like watching CT now.
Johnny actually had his blow up doll on the gauntlet, you can see in episode three while he blows out the candles for his birthday
As a fan of this show back in the 2000s I probably agreed with all you said but I miss the show pre 2010 such better characters
I agree!! My first season to ever watch was The Duel (2006) I was only 10 years old and was loving every bit of it 😂
I like your investigative work here. I vaguely remember this season and the CT/Davis punch, but it wasn't shown at all. I don't remember anything in the middle until Darrell beat the breaks off of Brad. But after everything you uncovered I can see why they would just say F**k it and junk the entire season.
The Brad/Darrell fight happened in The Ruins (different season)
@@andrewmendez2460 oh my bad. Then I don't remember anything else from this season. Lol
While Paramount Plus doesn’t have that first episode of Duel II, they actually have shown it on Pluto TV. That episode has that costume party and Isaac uses blackface in his costume. Now, we know Emily did the same thing in Exes I, and that hasn’t been hidden, but it was addressed as a problem. The Duel II blackface scene is played off on the episode is normal and fun. That would be a much greater reason for MTV to hide it than the fight (though I imagine they don’t mind not having the CT/Adam fight easily available as well).
I own the Duel II on iTunes and just downloaded the episode to check the party scene out because I didn’t remember the blackface and it looks like they edited out Isaac in the party - just essentially showing him in the background of the fight with half the costume on and what potentially looks like the blackface makeup washed off.
Oh that makes more sense I was wondering why episode one of the Duel 2 was on paramount
It's on RUclips too
i forgot about the issac thing!!!! i DO remember it, you're not crazy(not like anyone said you were lol)
they should have addressed both imo.
Now that you shined a light on it ,this season of full of wrongs ,the bullying and the sexual lines crossed between men and women it's insane...one of the reasons why I wasn't a fan of kenny,Evan,bananas ..was the bullying...every season they were on they were abnosious...back in the day mtv and people in general wasn't so soft like today where everything it's offensive and now everyone has a voice via the internet ...thank you for this video #Angelcake
You say people weren’t “soft” then, but it’s really that a great many people were always upset but were/felt powerless to help themselves.
People aren't any different. The fights, bullying, and drama got the show a lot of views before but they just don't want to "promote" that type of stuff anymore. That's all that's different. So they either have stricter rules for house etiquette and/or they just scrap that on the editing floor.
Keep in mind a lot of the contestants are older now too, so they probably are a lot less tolerant of this type of behavior as well as a lot less likely to do it.
You were straight up right about sexual content. I am glad I started watching The Challenge USA 1. I am glad it is about the game and not a porn/bully show.
I’m glad the stuff was cracked down on because it was disgusting
Inferno 3 is a great season, one of my favorites ever, it was amazing to see Derrick, Tonya and Evelyn winning
i really wish i could watch it
Tonya deserves for the world to see her win
Ace got away with so much. Even on his RW season he and CT would be disruptive and CT would get all the backlash and Ace was seen as he could do no wrong. I'm not saying CT was innocent but they should have been held to the same standard.
Ace was doing things that were bratty jokes, CT was KOing people for being gay, big difference.
@@hernandayolearyallda I just meant on his RW season, on the Challenge that was another story lol
It can’t be music issues. Laguna Beach and the Hills (also MTV shows) have just replaced the music…so they did have technology to replace copyrighted music
Yeah that's true, I learned this from watching Whitney's reaction videos.
I recently rewatched this season as well and yeah, the bullying and misogyny were high on this season. Bananas has always been toxic but this season made me wonder how Susie had this "nice girl" image for so long. I'd like to know if she ever addressed being the bully.
You listen to yourself? Probably one of those creepy male feminists.....
Where did you watch it?
@@jonathanvanalphen3748 A totally legitimate RUclips channel that has since been removed.
Where did you watch this season at?
shines a light on she and Sara’s bonding
I think the Tonya stuff played a factor. After the future Tonya incident where Evan and Kenny getting banned, I could see why The Challenge would want to avoid showing a season where the entire house including the producers and staff dunked on Tonya constantly. This is just a bad look of a season for the editing team and producers for sure, came off as malicious in ways and half-assed in others.
Not only with frat boy moron antics at a cringe level with Ace and Kenny or the hate on Tonya stuff either.
Challenges were very half assed feeling and this season had both the worst elimination in history in my opinion (Timmy Glass) - AND the worst daily (Sour Grapes. Who the fck came up with this?)
My only critique of it being Just Tonya is Tonya is bullied pretty consistently in every season. You can see why given how she acts but it does become a recurring motif and it's also generally not at all funny. Very crude and also very much about her as a person beyond the challenge.
I can think of 3 or 4 seasons that are about as bad.
Yes, I am thinking that this season never being shown again was part of the settlement agreement. I mean they had to have shown this at the time. And there have been a lot of other things that they show in other seasons that are highly questionable and those are still available to view. I question how bad it really was if with all their footage, these are the types of things they chose to show?
This episode is so painful to watch.
CT with Diem when they met was so beautiful and positive.
CT was so respectful and loving and kind .
To see him act so opposite and give himself away sexually to girls he didn’t care about was a real low and discouraging.
Why is he so angry? This level of anger is hard to keep up.
He defeated himself so often.
He could have won so many more times.
It’s a shame because I love CT when he’s happy and calm with Diem.
I seriously loved watching this. Thank you for the work and time you put into this.
I'd say the main reason is probably because of the Tonya bullying. Wasn't that the season a few of the girls took nude photos of her? I think that was brought up during the lawsuit over the toothbrush incident to support Tonya's claims that the production team was negligent as far as keeping the cast safe.
Has Susie ever addressed her treatment of Tonya or other women on the show? Because she was so cruel it’s shocking, especially compared to her persona on her podcast now.
Yes, just read a blog she wrote about one the guys (I think it was CT or Ace) climbing into her bed and trying to assault her, she punched him in the face and he fell off the bed. Production told the women to stop being drama queens or they would be blacklisted and portrayed in a bad way just Google her name and abuse and the blogs will pop up. She's also in Sarah Rice podcast
i enjoy her and Sarah's podcast brain candy. they talk about challenge things here and there. i started listening for Sarah, but realized Susie matured (as most of us do) and is decent.
She’s written a few articles abt how abusive the show was, which is clear. Interesting that she seemed to have forgotten how horrible she was. I’m sure she’s thrilled that mtv is trying to hide this season. I couldn’t even get thru the first episode; the production team’s recklessness was too much.
@@May-yu2un It was Ace who did that to evil Susie. It’s pretty irresponsible and nasty to talk about someone trying to assault someone else and not knowing who it specifically involved so you throw out 2 possibilities. That’s completely over the top, stupid and ridiculous!
You know what accusations like that can do to a person’s life but you feel no obligation beyond taking a random guess at it? Shame on you
Susie eventually supported Tonya’s filed complaint of sexual harassment from Kenny and Evan during the show. She also talked about many men on the show and crew members calling women sluts and other sexist behavior. That kind of environment tends to breed parody from the victims of it, especially in a bubble environment like that. That’s the origin of the African American community calling each other the n-word because they didn’t originally use it affectionally as they did after they sort of changed its meaning. I’m sure she has repented.
Honestly, I often forget how unhinged Abram was sometimes 😳
"I will do this ALL... DAY... LONG!!!"
That was road rules abram the challenge abram was funny
In hindsight the fact he is abusive only coming out recently is shocking given we all should have known
It was an act, every time he threw hands, the other person would be absolutely fine.
He's not tough at all
@@molasorrosalom4846 except for the women he abuses behind closed doors
I think I agree with most, if not all of your theories. Including the part where Adam instigated things with CT. He was baiting him, even put his hands on CT first, and then quickly realized his mistake when even a group of people couldn't stop the rampage he thought he wanted. Interesting how Ace got away with that while Nia got kicked off, before a finals nonetheless, for touching Jordan's crotch. They way they allowed the other women to treat Tonya through the seasons may have lead to people like Kenny and Evan thinking what they did to her was no big deal. Production has been so scummy and shady over the years that this most likely their version of deleting old, incriminating tweets
Everyone has an excuse for CT. Nah, he did what he did.
@@jpetersgoyanks "He did what he did" in no way negates what I said, but ok.
@@paulcarr5918 I wasn’t negating it. If I wanted to negate it I’d mention that CT has a long history of bullying Adam and he was doing the same thing that night. CT got what he wanted, an excuse to commit violence on people like he did the other time he got kicked out. Adam didn’t want any rampage, he just had enough.
@@jpetersgoyanksAdam was a weasel in Real World up until then too, though. Weird as fuck towards women too
This is very well done. I agree with everything you pointed out. I remember watching these episodes when they aired and thinking some of this stuff was bad, like the incident with Ace. But with how it was portrayed later I then questioned if I should have been concerned by Ace's behavior and reactions.
The truth of the matter is, this show went with the trash TV model for a while. This season was in 2007, you know what took reality TV by storm in 2006? I'll tell you... Bad Girls Club. It is what it is there is no reason to pretend it didn't happen. And yes people watched and enjoyed the show. If the show went back to less athletic people drinking excessive, fighting, being assholes, sex, and authentic chaos it would be a hit.
I think we also as a society like to pretend if it happened on camera people don't change. I had a roomate/friend who slept around in college. She ran through north of 100 dudes in a couple years. That was 05-09. She now is a Mennonite or close. She wears dresses all the time, has the long hair that gets tied up. She bakes and churns her own butter. She loves her kids and is generally a good person. She was a teacher so she now stays home and teaches online. She doesn't even resemble the 20 year old who was drunk 4 or 5 times a week and sleeping around.
These shows especially the Real World started as a social experiment and an opportunity to show all different people interacting. All their interactions, good, bad, and ugly. Abram was a racist who said he didn't think people should have interracial relationships. I'm pretty sure 20+ years later he is married to a black woman. I think these shows should be shown as they aired. Maybe people learn from them, maybe not. Trying to hide them dose not change the past.
nah the blow up doll was hilarious. homie was eating cereal holding it and paula was so over it hahah
All seasons have been crazy in some way-but this season was the craziest. If it really was a music licensing issue-they could run different background music on the re-runs. There has to be a deeper reason.
Just finished watching Inferno 3 on paramount+ glad they added it back!
ah yes, the 5th sport of America, slotted in between 23 hours of ridiculousness. As expected, right?
Back then, ANYbody from TRW and RR could theoretically do well on The Challenge. Now, with how competitive it is, the culture has changed so that only athletic people are sought out.
Right! I'm like why the hell does MTV play ridiculousness all freakin day?? Who is watching it?
This video has made me see Ace in a completely different light, and also question a whole lot why he was invited back for All Stars and All Stars 3. The whole series of events with Susie and just openly in front of everyone grabbing Jenn's hand moving it towards his crotch, it's so disgusting.
Ace was not on the main cast of AS 3. The people who were on the main cast of AS 3 and committed sexual assault were Veronica and Nia. Veronica was brought back on the main show for a season after being gone for awhile and then for AS 3. Yet she committed sexual assault against Tonya by taking a picture of her naked without her consent and then distributing the photograph to the cast and crew and Rachel did the same thing. Which by the way, is two crimes that were committed right there. Nia sexually assaulted Jordan on camera by touching him in his groin without his consent. Yet, she was brought back.
What the casting people for AS showed is that two people who committed sexual assault ( Veronica and Nia) and a person who attempted sexual assault (Ace) was allowed on the show over OGs on the show who never engaged in sexual assault.
Casting people need to do a better job and not have cast members who have in the past committed sexual assault if they want to send a message sexual assault is not allowed and don't condone such vile actions.
What it's looking like is that Tonya was indeed raped by Kenny and Evan and MTV didn't stop it, since they have Inferno 3 editing be all choppy and not show certain situations on camera as well as having sexual assaulters be casted on AS3 on the main cast.
@@v.0624 Ace was an alternate I meant to say. But yeah.
Ace showed his ass on All Stars too which is funny. He came across as very whiny and I think in one episode he was wearing a "Make America Great Again" cap which explains a lot lol
The taunting of Tonya non stop was the reason Tonya ended up hitting Veronica. Tonya was all the girls punching bag and Tonya had enough
Jesus. People are soft. Erasing the past doesn’t do anything positive. It shows how the early 2000s were and how much overall a improvement has been made culturally. But everyone wants to erase these things because it makes them “uncomfortable “ and then say the world is terrible.
What was considered "real" back then may not be what could pass as "real" nowadays.
(Probably why The Real World died.)
@@fatalcalamityz1365 then people shouldn't watch simple as that. Just because there so many offended piece's of trash that shouldn't mean shows like thks shouldn't exist. Now when I say piece's of trash I'm referring to people that complain about just about everything. They are the type to be offended by the candy bar Payday because they don't have a job
Have you been paying attention?
Ratings have dropped big time.
Why do you think that is Skippy?
Cultural improvement? People are completely mental.
@@molasorrosalom4846 the casting is what's made ratings drop as much as they have.
Bananas has mentioned on his podcast that they used to not film on some days and this was the season they started having cameras 24/7 because they missed some things like bananas and ace going into susies room.
I always found it baffling that Kenny was always portayed as Captain America. He always acted like this golden boy who was everyone's friend and the voice of reason when the Tonya incident, along with his many cruel pranks proved the opposite. Meanwhile, Wes, even to this day, is considered a villain for the overly strategic way he plays the game and for simply being cocky.
THANK YOU!
@Sandy I despised the Kenny/Evan/Bananas alliance/dynasty. After Kenny got banned, Bananas assumed his role and went on to become the most successful player ever. Thank God CT evolved into a well-rounded player to prevent Johnny from winning all his titles so easily from 2013 onwards.
Why would they take an episode down due to a fight? Paramount plus has plenty of violence. Just rate that one differently, put a warning at the beginning, etc. Great video, I remember watching this way season but it was far too long for me to remember much about it. Now I need to track it down.
Incredible analysis! I had completely forgotten all about this season. That last point you made with Susie/Ace is super disturbing. Super. Thx for sharing!!
Are we really shocked by Ace? These synthetic good guys are literally more common than blue jeans.
I hear your points and they make sense, but Inferno 2, Gauntlet 3 and The Ruins was also full of bullying, sexism, and violence.
The main reason I think it was removed was probably because of the Tonya/Kenny situation. This is the only season Kenny and Tonya both make it to the end, making it a prime candidate where they settled to remove this season completely in order to remove any scenes with them associating. I did recently rewatch this season and it's full of scenes that I'm surprised actually aired, considering they are hateful, sexist and full of bullying. But I feel like it still wouldn't be enough to remove it. The Tonya/Kenny connection thing is my biggest suspect.
Where did you watch the season?? Would like to watch
The soy is strong in this one.......
I'm also curious
I'm curious to watch as well
Agreed
excellent analysis! I remember Tonya being bullied from this season. completely forgot about the rest, MTV don't want the modern-day issues of such a problematic season
The challengers were toxic af, back then. The only thing that changed them is when Tanya sued MTV. That was the wake-up call that ish had to change…it was the first time that any of those guys suffered repercussions for the way they treated the women on that show.
I wonder if this is also the season Susie found her husband who was on production team… and then she was banned because they got officially together instead of just hooking up behind the scenes.
MTV knew CT was going thru tough times and should of given him enough time to get thru his heartache
The Ruins episode Girls Gone Wild is on Pluto this very second! I caught it just in time to watch Tonya beat the hell out of Veronica.
Not sure what is going on but I watched this video while watching an earlier season. At that time I verified that season 14 was missing from the list of seasons on Paramount plus. But last night I finished season 13 and expected to go straight to 15…but when I checked 14 was there and there are now no missing seasons😂
I remember watching this when I was in high school and always felt Susie and Cara going too far over many things. In reflecting on the overall production, it's clear producers were trying to protect the men while continuing to victimize the female cast, which is awful. Sexual violence is not entertaining and it was not up to the men to decide how the women felt by their actions. Period.
Wow I’ve always wondered why Duel 2 was missing episode 1… I honestly don’t like that they are hiding CTs bullshit. He’s always been toxic and aggressive, and them trying to turn him into a golden boy is disingenuous and I’m tired of it. CT is a athlete, but he isn’t particularly witty or endearing
They may have cut it for Adam's sake tbh. And liability. The fact that it got that bad and they didn't have sufficient security to protect Adam is terrible. And then him getting eliminated too? That must have been a medical DQ
none of the players are witty or endearing, if they weren't they wouldn't participate in the challenge, so what's your point.
@@soheiladam7510 ??? none of the players are witty or endearing? are you even watching the same show? that is the reason half of them are even cast... Sorry your shitlord CT is a horrible person, accept it and move on Adam
I hate this decision. These shows were popular because of the drama and the "bad" things that happened. It's also a missed opportunity. Keep the stuff in but just put in disclaimers before and after the episode and before the scene in question. People can learn from it
I think the bullying and who was actually the most polarizing and dramatic TEAM. Random fact the Good guys team became one of the most hated teams in challenge history due to bananas and apparently multiple unwanted sexual advances by non other Ace, which maybe why he didn’t get more call backs. Plus this kind of sandwiches the seasons of The rise and fall of tonya. The bullying of women and specifically tonya this season were extreme.
What exactly happened to Tanya? I missed about 7 or 8 seasons before watching it again...
I never really found out what happened to her, or what the outcome was.
@@williamherman9065 its hard to find solid info because MTV seems to have buried it and nothing ever came of it. But it's been repeatedly alleged that Kenny (and Evan I guess?) sexually assaulted a passed-out Tonya with a toothbrush. There was even a interview clip of Wes saying production had to go get him a new toothbrush.
Kenny and Evan sexually assaulted her with a toothbrush while she was unconscious and crew filmed it. That’s what happened, she won in court; and they were permanently banned
@@sarahmcbride5055 she did not win in court, she dropped the charges
@@LGD8903 pretty sure the case was settled. She didn't drop the charges.
as a "victim"(i dont like to use it, but lack of a better word bc i dont like survivor either) of SA, when cooley was saying no multiple times and was touched, it triggered me. mine started out the exact same way. i never knew it affected me so much until my bf(now husband) would tickle me when i HATE it and i said stop SO MANY TIMES and it took me back to getting r*ped and i started crying. he was mad at me for making him feel like he was SA me but i asked him why he felt the need to tickle me...he said bc he wanted to touch me and it was cute me laughing(cant help it, im being effing tickled) and squirming. i had to point out how very problematic that was and tell him my r*pe experience. Im glad he listened, respected and LEARNED. Been together for 11 years. good vid angelcake
It’s currently streaming on Paramount Plus (July 2024) every episode is available.
6:28 Abram unsuccessfully hiding a smile after hearing Davis isn’t okay…CT and Abram are the worst possible combination of two humans on this show!
Shit I love it when they are together cause Abram is crazy but CT will hurt you
@@mandiemyers4423 I would fear for your psyche
I have not seen this season since it aired. Things were so Wild and Crazy back then. So much could not happen on the show now. I'm glad a lot of things are not tolerated now. 📺😳👁️👀👀👀🙄😬
And guess what? The ratings have plummeted as a result.
Get Woke, Go Broke.
@@molasorrosalom4846 so bullying and sexual harresment are good then is what you are saying. Going woke has nothing to do with their of these issues
Seriously I watch some of the old episodes and they're tough to watch it's disgusting how a lot of the guys acted towards the women and it was allowed. It was a horrible environment and unsafe
Camilla being completely black listed from mtv after what she did to Leroy is one of the worst things ever on the show! I’m so glad she’s gone
You thinking words being worse than sexual assault is the worst thing ever. 🥴
@@rumhamxo what SA happened? I hate if that happened to her. She also should know better than to say he’s a black piece of sh*t. Weirdo
@@rumhamxo uhh what sa??
@@rumhamxo "one of " not the worst
she was banned after champs vs pros for driving golf cart drunk then assaulting production crew , nothing to do with leroy. big misconception
Susie is absolutely awful. Easily just as bad as Bananas if not worse but at least he owns it. She thinks she’s sweet and innocent and can do no wrong as long as she says her prayers. It’s actually painful to watch her the majority of the time. I’m so glad she only did a handful of seasons.
Looking back at this series and rw with a 2022 lens will make you wonder how this lasted so long. Looking back at old episodes of the challenge, it just looked like a bad cliche of frat boys/house.
You’re awesome I loved this whole video because of your on spot perspective. Subscribed!!!!🎉🎉
Leave Ace alone. He is the best!
not ace bein like Y'ALL ARE A BUNCH OF MONSTERS -- sirrrr????