People really need to put respect on Darrell’s name and stop downplaying what he has done in the game. Let’s not forget EVERY female partner he has ever had eventually became a champ. Aviv, Cara, and Amber (Veronica as well but she was already a champ). I 100% agree with your take on that hot take. Well put!
And the fact that Darrell doesn’t play the scared game a lot of these new challengers do. The social dynamic has taken over the game and we have seen it work against Darrell on the recent seasons he’s been on for the flagship, specifically double agents and ride or dies. He’s not as connected to the new challengers which doesn’t in my opinion mean he’s not good because he can still compete toe to toe with these guys and come out on top ✊🏼
His wins are not that impressive… he’s damn near invisible in all of his winning seasons. Gauntlet was carried by Sarah. Inferno was carried by Abram, Holly and Veronica. Inferno 2 was clearly overshadowed by Landon and the Miz. I also could say Aviv is the reason he won Fresh meat because of those puzzles. I have him at 7/10.
@@erincochran1887 I can't stand Nurys, but she's the only finalist who has earned her spot in the final. Everyone else just coasted to the final based on Michele's social game alone.
Absolutely agree! And they are a huge group of layups. I love Nurys and think she deserves it, but the rest got there playing a scared game up Michelle’s Butt.
I agree.100%. Layups & boring. This is the most boring season. I wait till after it is recorded, then fast forward to the actual challenges . Hope 40 is better.
Aneesaa needs to realize that if she doesn’t train her @$$ off she’s never winning it doesn’t matter if everybody in the house keep taking her to a final she just can’t keep up
I will ride for Darrell until I can’t no more! That man still won the challenge when it was no longer carnival games. Put some respect on his name! Every rookie girl he has been paired with 1:1 has gone to win the challenge! He did that .
On seasons where Johnny and Kenny were both present, Kenny was the clear leader in terms of politics and physicality. Totally think he would have been the face of the challenge if it wasn't for his indiscretions.
Darrell is still a legend for things he’s done in recent seasons, ask Zach about Darrell when he faced him in a pole wrestle, ask Bananas about Darrell when he faced him in balls in… put some respect on his name
I completely agree with your observations. Thanks for all of the research that you put in. People hating on Darrell is always a crazy one to me. The man is truly a GOAT of the show.
Agree. 100%. He still currently holds the record for most consecutive wins out of all male competitors. I will always respect and appreciate Darrell and his amazing game.
Your response to the Darrell hot take earns an automatic like from me. Ppl hate on Darrell so much & I don’t understand. Few have been as good for as long. Edit: Your spreadsheet saying “New Champ: Yeah Right” during the Chris segment took me out 😂😂😂😂😂
Tori is solid, but I don't like the way she plays. The Challenge USA 2 is perfect example, she went is as the underdog for the first time in a long time, made it to the end, but made some lame deal to protect herself. She didn't need to make new friends, but she always feels the need to be friends, I'm glad she lost that season in the purge, because she lacked competiveness.
@@Louie406Completely disagree. Tori & Danny didn't perform well all season...they literally won 0 dailies and were carried to the end by their friends. Also, Jordan didn't run that final alone. All they had to do was be better than Kaz....and they weren't. They were never in 1st place during that entire final....Kaycee & Troy were also performing better than them before Kaycee's body started to lock up.
I'd even put Tori over Cara tbh. At least Tori doesn't have a mental breakdown every time she needs to do math or a puzzle. Or skydive. Or eat something weird. Or basically anything lol.
Tori is solid, but USA2 proved that she's not a beast. She was outperformed by Michaela that entire season and she was only on her 2nd season. Desi wasn't too far behind either. And you can't even blame age because Tori is younger than all of them. If she truly was one of the top females she wouldn't have been overshadowed soo easily.
I 100% agreed. I still can't believe that Kam was the only one who got screwed by that mechanic. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
maybe, maybe not, because we don't know how she would have done on the following challenges during that final. Not to mention ahe would have had to beat Cara, and I'm sorry don't really see that happening. But that situation can be found in howamy other parts of the challenge, on how many other seasons, right, just making one different decision and how it might have changed the whole game, or that specific persons game directly, but that is apart of just how the game is played. But in the end that one is still even unknown if she hadn't had to bury the log, again don't see her beating Cara too easily if at all. But it didn't happen that way, so we will never know. So its a moot point. Doesn't really mean too much. Cara won that season, first single winner ever ! Thats her title and she earned it. She's is a 🐐 and we all know this.
@@sinevins well I mean Kam would've made it there before Kailah if she didn't have to bury the log, and based on what that final checkpoint was, I think Kam would've beaten Cara because Kam is very intelligent, and that checkpoint is sort of in Kam's wheelhouse. Cara definitely still earnt that win, but I think it would've been a very different outcome if Melissa didn't make Kam bury the log, but I guess we'll never know.
The Challenge 39 is the worst season and the worst cast in the shows history. Even the likable people aren’t even that likable in most any other season.
Re: the Darrell segment, CT didn't win earlier seasons because he was a hothead, drank too much, and got himself sent home all the time. A healthy and emotionally centered CT would have found early success. If he could have purged his demons earlier in life... there's no telling where his title count would be. The biggest "what-if" in the show's history, IMO.
I always have a hard time placing Darrel bc of his stats. Yes he’s a 4 time champ and did it back to back in a row but they were team ones, and Angelcake himself docks Kenny resume bc of the same thing. Those early team ones were weird bc most of the time it was either champs vs rooks or sexes battles which favors ppl like Bahamas, Kenny, Derek and Darrel but worked against Evelyn, Cara and Veronica.
Ct Johnny Darrell Wes Jordan I think CT is #1 because his first 13 seasons he got top 4 or better except the 2 times he smacked someone to get dq or left because diem left. Then he got 13th and 19th when he was in his late 30s and then won again.
Season 39 has been straight garbage with just a couple good moments here and there, I hope they drop a 3 day final or something to break them in and make it interesting 😂
tori isn't the best. she just isn't. She only does well when she has a bunch of friends coming into the season. If she does well without a bunch of friends I will rethink my statement. Also she is cringe. Not a fan. plus she's still friends with Camila.....
I agree because Tori is a good competitor but she proven to have weakness she even lost to 3 survivor females in the final the only time tori won was when she was against nany and anessa and they both tanked their partners
I agree completely on Darrell. The man is a top 5 challenger all time (so far) and HAS competed in the modern seasons. Not to mention he was robbed in AS2. Also I sorta agree on the Wes/Rivals theory. Wes carried Kenny during the season and they still reached the mountaintop first. Just sucks there was a janky treasure hunt after. (That part of the final will always be suspicious to me, so easy to screw a team over with that, happy they never did it again)
I think the fact that Wes and Kenny actually really were rivals worked against them that season when we compare them to Bananas and Tyler who were at least frenemies and could work better together. And in defense of Tori, nowadays challengers seem to care less about winning dailies because of the social aspect of the game so we have to consider that since the gameplay has changed. I don’t like this change in gameplay but for the challengers it makes sense to save your energy for the final and to fly under the radar leading up to it.
Wes and Kenny should have both had another win for that season. I learned recently that they were WAY ahead on day 1 of the final (and remember how sick Tyler was with food poisoning). But, instead of having them start with the huge lead they had earned, they changed it to only giving them a 2 minute head start on day 2 (otherwise, it would have been completely unsuspenseful).
When its rivals or Exes the people who were paired together because of real life issues usually struggle. Just so much more to work past. Look at the winners of all 6 seasons of this theme (including Final Reckoning). All were people who either had in-game disagreements or were failed season long showmances. Easier to come together
@@jonnykilroy9762 exactly. On paper, Wes and Kenny are a winning team but realistically, the feud was too real to actually make it work. Just like Adam and CT.
2 challenge hot takes If Frank Sweeney did more seasons he would have one of the best careers maybe top 5 males Evelyn was and still is the best female to ever step foot in The Challenge.
Darrell is a legend because of his past, not the present. Just because he hasn't won recently, doesn't mean he isn't worth talking about. Just because someone won in the past, doesn't mean they will always win. If that was the case, we would have the same winner every season. We've seen multiple legends that have gotten eliminated early or just before the finals. Most of the greatest challengers that we love are older now. There have been champs that lost against someone younger, and champs that have beaten the younger guys. Examples: CT losing to Jay on Total Madness and Bananas beating Fessy on Ride or Dies. It's solely based on strengths at that given moment. While they are still athletic and in shape, that doesn't mean they have the same capabilities as they did in their 20's. There are things that I could do in my early 20's that I can't do now at 31. They're human. They aren't invincible or flawless. There will be highs and lows. Darrell deserves to be talked about and brought back. His accomplishments deserve the spotlight.
Also, using Fessy as an example, he likes to say he could beat anyone in a physical elimination. In Ride or Dies, he said leave it to Bananas to be good at "the stupid shit." TJ says constantly that in order to be the best you have to beat the best. That's what makes a good challenger, to be good in both the physical and mental parts of the game. They worked hard to be where they are. They didn't just become a champ in one episode. It took years for some of the greatest. That is the exact reason I don't see Fessy as a potentional champ. He's his own delusional hype man and blames everyone else for his losses. With the final people in season 39, none of them really have the potentional to be the best because they never beat the best. The only one I want to see win and who I believe deserves that title is Nurys.
That is a REALLY good perspective on Wes's gassing out during the Rivals final that I've never considered before. Though without their massive lead getting wiped out on day 2 they probably still would've won
Now that I’ve watched all of Kam’s seasons, I’m soooo impressed by her. Her weakness is swimming something I hope she’s worked on a little. I think once she wins I’m putting her over Tori. I just trust Kam more. And I love her as a character.
Tori - total cringe they way she played Challenge Worlds always protecting Jordan instead of concentrating on her team and teammate. Seriously Tori and Danny should have won that season and she blew it and yet she always states she is competitive.
My hot take: Fessy has a similar history as early CT. Both cocky, intimidating players, athletic, got DQ'd, won solid amount of dailies l, good elim records, bland social game, visit multiple finals up until their DQ.....
I say never bring back the skull twist, it lowered the drama drastically! Nobody wanted to fight for their spot in the game and the house became too relaxed. Even if you went in it wasnt so bad since you got a chance at getting a skull. Only way to bring it back would be to not have infinite skulls and actually have like a max of 8 skulls
I also will never forget that production literally tailored eating challenges for Tori bc shes vegan. If you cant eat something for the prize money, why are you there?
Thanks for the video! As I watch the show from a long time ago, when MTV didn’t air it in South America, It would be great to have the show streamed worldwide in any platform. My humble opinions about these hot cakes: 1. We can’t ignore the show’s history, no matter what, Darrell is and will be one of the top competitors, it’s true, the format have changed, but also the contestants, nowadays, we’re watching more holidays alliances than before. 2. Kenny was a good player, but as he was cancelled by MTV, it was impossible to see any long time improvement. Impopular question: how many years are enough to cancel the players? (Before the big drama with Camila, it was fun to watch her as a competitor). I repeat: just a question and not a statement. 3. Tori is by far one of the strongest female contestants, and I guess she has a lot of opportunities for the future in the show. And I also agree Kam is one of the strongest non winning, along with Jenna perhaps (don’t forget she’s Barbie Beast 😂). 4. Indeed, the current finalists are the worst group ever seen, strong social game, but I think the biggest competitors were consistently threatened, I hope this season had a red skull, or an opportunity to be safe from elimination if the player had already won the previous elimination. I hope Nurys wins, she is the most likeable from the group. 5. Impopular opinion perhaps: bring back the OG brits, like Georgia, Kyle, Jenny, Joss, etc. Once again thanks for your video. Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
Free Agents was an epic season, the final would have been brutal if it was ran by the fresh meat 2 girls (Laurel Cara and Theresa), had Cara not injured her arm, and had Theresa not pulled the kill card on the last draw right before te final, and Bananas Ct and Frank, had Frank not gotten sick, and had CT not pulled the kill card on the last draw before the final last
Paula is one of or THE MOST underrated women to ever win the challenge. I hate people saying she only won cause she had Emily and Ev, when Emily and Ev played with partners on other seasons and didn’t win.
Darrell is the old-school GOAT All the old-school players had same rules and formats, nobody could touch him at the time. So like you implied if anybody gets legend status from back in the day, you have to put Darrell up there too. He's the best of the old. CT and Johnny got better but in those days they couldn't touch Darrell's resume. That was a Hot Garbage take lol
@@rheller2086 I'm not saying Darrell is better than CT or Bananas, but Darrell dominated the old school era. Bananas and CT have dominated since then and clearly passed him up in new era. Darrell won 4 straight seasons. Nobody else was doing that in same era with sane rules. That's the point. Not comparing him to what others did after, just saying in that era. Darrell is 100% better than Derrick though lol I like Derrick better but Darrell has been better
History cannot be erased,Darrell is and always will be one of the best to ever played this game ... Emily S needs to come back,she hasn't shown all she can do ... the latest season suck ..one of the worst seasons so far,I'd take battle of the seasons 2012 over it any day...
1. Darrell is still top 5 easy! 2. Kenny's record would not match up with Johnny's or even surpass it. 3. Tori is a good player, but makes things too personal in the game. She is not THE GOAT, but I'm not mad at people saying she is a great player. 4. Kam is an great player. She has the full package when it comes to playing the game. I agree. 5. Chris was very good on USA2, and can see how his performance was top 5. 6. Yeah... I can't argue that one. Haha! I love Nurys, but even her game beginning of the season was boring and predictable. Thanks for the content, as always!
@@s.r6331 I agree 100%! Killa Kam is 1000% better at the game period! I am just saying that I understand why people think Tori is a great player. Tori is good at making friends in the game, but, because of that, everything becomes personal with Tori. Kam is more than just friends. She is great in physical challenges and destroys in puzzles! Kam also doesn't let personal feeling affect her game play. I hope we get to see her again soon! Tori also needs to take a break from The Challenge and focus on herself.
Hey Drew, love your videos bro, hopefully you see this. Darrell: I have to push back on your points made here. Outside of Fresh Meat, which of his other 3 wins did he dominate?? When was he the MJ or the leader of his team? He never was, he was a good team member that played in his role (Robert Horry). As his career continued and there were more individual and partner challenges you really saw his weaknesses shine (poor social and political game). If we had as many team challenges now as we did back then, other challengers would probably have more wins as well. I’m not saying Darrell is a bad competitor at all, I just don’t think he should be in the GOAT/top 5 conversation. I’d put( in no particular order): CT, Jordan, Bananas, Derrick and Kenny/Wes Kenny: I 100% agree with the hot take. 7 finals in 8 seasons is incredible. He absolutely would have continued to make it to finals and win. Strongly disagree with your comparison. Kenny is actually a more likable and athletic version of Bananas. Derrick is a more savage version of Darrell. If Kenny didn’t get ban I actually think Bananas and Kenny would’ve became Rivals since the team challenges were pretty much done at that point. Tori: I agree with your take outside Champs vs Stars counting. That series is very different from, not only the flagship, but also All-Stars and USA. The contestants didn’t win money for themselves and they stayed in hotels not to mention other differences. All-Stars and USA isn’t easier than the early seasons of the flagships which count so those should count. Kam: I agree with you. Chris: I agree with you. 39 contestants: I’m one of the few that has actually enjoyed this season. I do agree this will go down as the weakest finalist group.
wow not having Cara as one of the goats is vial lols she has the best record out of any female most finals seen and most elimination wins. The only spot Cara doesnt get a good rep on is daily wins.
I don’t get why ppl ignoring a hot take with actual legs. That Kaycee is 1 of the all time female goats. If we are considering tori up there, Kaycee is easily superior. They compete in the same era and Kaycee has much better stats overall in all areas. Kaycee also has gotten further or beaten Tori in every season they competed together unless Kaycee was paired with her brother or nearly died from rhambo after production made her run a finals directly after putting her in a hall brawl against an Olympian 🙄
Another Cringe Tori moment during episode 18 in Spies Lies and Allies. Emanuel is voted into elimination and Tori keeps whispering NOT Devin while Emanuel is deciding who to go against. Of course Em picks Devin. The during the elimination Tori is trying to tell Em how to solve one of the puzzles. Nelson calls her out and she yells back "I want both of them to win". This and her helping Jordan instead of her teammate Danny during Worlds is why Tori will never be a GOAT. For someone who so loudly states they are very competitive yet she wants all of her friends to win does not need to be in the Challenge, EVER.
Ayyyyee I was watching this thinking to myself “man i always miss my opportunity to comment on these posts” and then BAM my comment pops up lol I forgot. Good insight Drew, you make good points 👍🏾
Let's not get it twisted, Everlyn is the greatest female challenger ever. She's better than Tori, Laurel, Cara Maria and any other female challenger u can think of
I think there is something off putting of tori and I think MTV trying to make her the face on the challenge is a mistake. I think why Cara Maria is still so loved is she is someone you want to root for, even when (in my opinion) mtv/other cast mates tried hard to ruin her reputation. Cara stopped allowing herself to be bullied and people tried to spin that as “she thinks she’s better than everyone”. I would love to see Cara and tori in a hall brawl. AND this season has been legit all puzzles…. I think a lot of people who made it to the final wouldn’t be here if they had legit any physical eliminations.
Dude! You are so awesome for doing this!!! Now let me subscribe to your Patreon. The only one I would ever do this for. You really put in the work and deserve your coins.
There is also a very good reason Kenny and Evan are no longer on the challenge. Will never view either in a positive light. Landon is the man. Idc how long it's been since he's competed. I'm dying and still holding out hope he'll come back.As far as Tori goes thats a no about Tori. I need Rachel, Ev and Cooke back. I don't think Cooke did many but she was a solid competitor.
I wonder how Evan is, that guy Represented Canada on the Challenge in the Early Seasons and then Disappeared., it was cool to see a Canadian on the Show for that time,.
Honestly I agree with all except tori. She's not the female goat but even if she retired today I'd say she's one of the best females to ever do it. Puzzles being her downfall like cara
Your use of daily win % as a major factor in your evaluations is flawed. Much easier to win a team daily than an individual daily. You need to weigh based on how many opponents they beat (1 opponent if it’s 2 teams, 7 opponents if it’s 8 duos, 15 opponents if it’s 16 solo players etc.) to make the metric more encompassing
Evan is more Johnny then Kenny is, Kenny and Derrick for sure could’ve won atleast 1 to 2 more if they did more but evan would’ve been closer to Johnny
People really need to put respect on Darrell’s name and stop downplaying what he has done in the game. Let’s not forget EVERY female partner he has ever had eventually became a champ. Aviv, Cara, and Amber (Veronica as well but she was already a champ). I 100% agree with your take on that hot take. Well put!
Facts!!!
And the fact that Darrell doesn’t play the scared game a lot of these new challengers do. The social dynamic has taken over the game and we have seen it work against Darrell on the recent seasons he’s been on for the flagship, specifically double agents and ride or dies. He’s not as connected to the new challengers which doesn’t in my opinion mean he’s not good because he can still compete toe to toe with these guys and come out on top ✊🏼
Yes! I love watching the seasons where Darell is playing because he's not part of that "vacation alliance".
@@sarahvEscalante ten toes darrell!!
His wins are not that impressive… he’s damn near invisible in all of his winning seasons. Gauntlet was carried by Sarah. Inferno was carried by Abram, Holly and Veronica. Inferno 2 was clearly overshadowed by Landon and the Miz. I also could say Aviv is the reason he won Fresh meat because of those puzzles. I have him at 7/10.
39 has the least likable group of finalists
Couldn’t agree more. I only like Nurys
@@erincochran1887 I can't stand Nurys, but she's the only finalist who has earned her spot in the final. Everyone else just coasted to the final based on Michele's social game alone.
Absolutely agree! And they are a huge group of layups. I love Nurys and think she deserves it, but the rest got there playing a scared game up Michelle’s Butt.
I agree.100%. Layups & boring. This is the most boring season. I wait till after it is recorded, then fast forward to the actual challenges . Hope 40 is better.
Yes Nurys makes me sick to my stomach y stomach. She’s the worst 🤮
Aneesaa needs to realize that if she doesn’t train her @$$ off she’s never winning it doesn’t matter if everybody in the house keep taking her to a final she just can’t keep up
This what I've been saying!!!! She don't need to come on no mo if she don't get right.
I will ride for Darrell until I can’t no more! That man still won the challenge when it was no longer carnival games. Put some respect on his name! Every rookie girl he has been paired with 1:1 has gone to win the challenge! He did that .
and his invasion szn 🔥🔥🔥 just faced 3 Elims, also molded Amber B the champ. Legendary indeed
On seasons where Johnny and Kenny were both present, Kenny was the clear leader in terms of politics and physicality. Totally think he would have been the face of the challenge if it wasn't for his indiscretions.
Make it a regular segment and call it "Hot Cakes"
This is amazing. If it becomes a series I'm using this title lol Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
I would be honored. Even if you choose another name, just to be considered makes my day! Thank you and keep up your amazing work! @@AngelcakeVids
I wish I could post a gif, this is deserving of the Jurassic Park "clever girl" and i man that with all due respect
Pancakes. You want it named after pancakes. 😂😂😂
Darrell is still a legend for things he’s done in recent seasons, ask Zach about Darrell when he faced him in a pole wrestle, ask Bananas about Darrell when he faced him in balls in… put some respect on his name
The fact that Darrell won 4 straight is a feat that should keep him in the top 3 alone
But he was the worst male on 2 of those teams and possibly 3
he won a few on a team base model
@@TheKidwonda he did what was needed
@@hardvegetable1598 so did most of the “Legends”
@@hardvegetable15984x!!! 5 if you count spin-offs 😂 who cares if they was all team based
The fact that no one in the current seasons final even beat a champ makes me sad and annoyed lol
Darrell is underrated and he is a very good player
He’s very overrated…
I completely agree with your observations. Thanks for all of the research that you put in. People hating on Darrell is always a crazy one to me. The man is truly a GOAT of the show.
Agree. 100%. He still currently holds the record for most consecutive wins out of all male competitors. I will always respect and appreciate Darrell and his amazing game.
Put respect on Darrell's name!! I say it til my last breath.
Amen!
Period! You and I both! If it’s only us 2 we will Stan for Darrell 🤍
Your response to the Darrell hot take earns an automatic like from me. Ppl hate on Darrell so much & I don’t understand. Few have been as good for as long.
Edit: Your spreadsheet saying “New Champ: Yeah Right” during the Chris segment took me out 😂😂😂😂😂
Angelcake is the actual GOAT of The Challenge content creators
Tori is solid, but I don't like the way she plays. The Challenge USA 2 is perfect example, she went is as the underdog for the first time in a long time, made it to the end, but made some lame deal to protect herself.
She didn't need to make new friends, but she always feels the need to be friends, I'm glad she lost that season in the purge, because she lacked competiveness.
She would of won if she just listened to Danny and got rid of Jordan lol Danny kept saying if we keep Jordan he gonna win the final
@@Louie406Completely disagree. Tori & Danny didn't perform well all season...they literally won 0 dailies and were carried to the end by their friends.
Also, Jordan didn't run that final alone. All they had to do was be better than Kaz....and they weren't. They were never in 1st place during that entire final....Kaycee & Troy were also performing better than them before Kaycee's body started to lock up.
Maybe this sums up my love-hate relationship for Tori
Give me Tori everyday over Moriah, Colleen, Berna and this new cast of challenge women. Tori is a beast and is at least one of the top competitors
Yeah she's a beast when you put her next to those girls you mentioned. Lol she's overrated imo and as I said before Kam is better than her
Yeah over these trash cast mates 😂 if they casted the better competitors like the women in usa itd be different for me at least
I'd even put Tori over Cara tbh. At least Tori doesn't have a mental breakdown every time she needs to do math or a puzzle. Or skydive. Or eat something weird. Or basically anything lol.
Zaza is no layup. But I agree with the rest!
Tori is solid, but USA2 proved that she's not a beast. She was outperformed by Michaela that entire season and she was only on her 2nd season. Desi wasn't too far behind either. And you can't even blame age because Tori is younger than all of them. If she truly was one of the top females she wouldn't have been overshadowed soo easily.
How was Cara not talked about as one of the greatest women?
probably bc its indisputable lol
Because everybody knows this, it doesn't need to be discussed
That’s what I’m saying!
I think Kam could've won Vendettas if Melissa didn't make her bury that log.
I 100% agreed. I still can't believe that Kam was the only one who got screwed by that mechanic. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
It was kinda her fault for betting that the next card would be “over” on a 10 though
@@joshl8686 yeah but if you think about it, she would've won the final if she said under instead of over..
maybe, maybe not, because we don't know how she would have done on the following challenges during that final. Not to mention ahe would have had to beat Cara, and I'm sorry don't really see that happening.
But that situation can be found in howamy other parts of the challenge, on how many other seasons, right, just making one different decision and how it might have changed the whole game, or that specific persons game directly, but that is apart of just how the game is played. But in the end that one is still even unknown if she hadn't had to bury the log, again don't see her beating Cara too easily if at all. But it didn't happen that way, so we will never know. So its a moot point. Doesn't really mean too much.
Cara won that season, first single winner ever ! Thats her title and she earned it.
She's is a 🐐 and we all know this.
@@sinevins well I mean Kam would've made it there before Kailah if she didn't have to bury the log, and based on what that final checkpoint was, I think Kam would've beaten Cara because Kam is very intelligent, and that checkpoint is sort of in Kam's wheelhouse. Cara definitely still earnt that win, but I think it would've been a very different outcome if Melissa didn't make Kam bury the log, but I guess we'll never know.
The Challenge 39 is the worst season and the worst cast in the shows history. Even the likable people aren’t even that likable in most any other season.
the fights were good at least 😅😅😅😅
Re: the Darrell segment, CT didn't win earlier seasons because he was a hothead, drank too much, and got himself sent home all the time. A healthy and emotionally centered CT would have found early success. If he could have purged his demons earlier in life... there's no telling where his title count would be. The biggest "what-if" in the show's history, IMO.
Exactly, he never took the challenge seriously, maybe because he didn't like being in reality TV back then and was ashamed of it a bit.
I always have a hard time placing Darrel bc of his stats. Yes he’s a 4 time champ and did it back to back in a row but they were team ones, and Angelcake himself docks Kenny resume bc of the same thing. Those early team ones were weird bc most of the time it was either champs vs rooks or sexes battles which favors ppl like Bahamas, Kenny, Derek and Darrel but worked against Evelyn, Cara and Veronica.
BEAR IS IN PRISON?!
edit to add- i did my own research and wow. glad georgia made him face the consequences of his actions.
Darrell is in my top 5 men
Jordan
Wes
Darell
Johnny
CT
Ct
Johnny
Darrell
Wes
Jordan
I think CT is #1 because his first 13 seasons he got top 4 or better except the 2 times he smacked someone to get dq or left because diem left. Then he got 13th and 19th when he was in his late 30s and then won again.
@@FlyConnor12 my list is 5, 4, 3 so ct my 1 too
@@Claudymaze nice we have the exact same list them
This is my top to but I also think Derek K should be up there!
no debate on top 5 men. Just wild debates on the order
Looking forward to this becoming a series
Season 39 has been straight garbage with just a couple good moments here and there, I hope they drop a 3 day final or something to break them in and make it interesting 😂
Why didnt Battle For A New Champion bring in Nany, Aneesa, Leroy, Kam, Kyle, Jenna, Corey, Fessy, Josh. S39 was so underwhelming.
Omg you chose mine. Love that we agree on the Kam hot take!
tori isn't the best. she just isn't. She only does well when she has a bunch of friends coming into the season. If she does well without a bunch of friends I will rethink my statement. Also she is cringe. Not a fan. plus she's still friends with Camila.....
i agree with you a 1000 percent at best she’s a good competitor but saying she’s the best is balony
Well said
like even if we’re letting her record speak for itself it’s not that good to put her at best
like even if we’re letting her record speak for itself it’s not that good to put her at best
I agree because Tori is a good competitor but she proven to have weakness she even lost to 3 survivor females in the final the only time tori won was when she was against nany and anessa and they both tanked their partners
I count the spin offs just not the charity stuff
Wow those stats are really impressive! You came with receipts!
I agree completely on Darrell. The man is a top 5 challenger all time (so far) and HAS competed in the modern seasons. Not to mention he was robbed in AS2.
Also I sorta agree on the Wes/Rivals theory. Wes carried Kenny during the season and they still reached the mountaintop first. Just sucks there was a janky treasure hunt after. (That part of the final will always be suspicious to me, so easy to screw a team over with that, happy they never did it again)
The Darrell hate is crazy!
no one hate Derrell, it's just a take not hate.
I think the fact that Wes and Kenny actually really were rivals worked against them that season when we compare them to Bananas and Tyler who were at least frenemies and could work better together.
And in defense of Tori, nowadays challengers seem to care less about winning dailies because of the social aspect of the game so we have to consider that since the gameplay has changed. I don’t like this change in gameplay but for the challengers it makes sense to save your energy for the final and to fly under the radar leading up to it.
Wes and Kenny should have both had another win for that season. I learned recently that they were WAY ahead on day 1 of the final (and remember how sick Tyler was with food poisoning). But, instead of having them start with the huge lead they had earned, they changed it to only giving them a 2 minute head start on day 2 (otherwise, it would have been completely unsuspenseful).
When its rivals or Exes the people who were paired together because of real life issues usually struggle. Just so much more to work past. Look at the winners of all 6 seasons of this theme (including Final Reckoning). All were people who either had in-game disagreements or were failed season long showmances. Easier to come together
@@jonnykilroy9762 exactly. On paper, Wes and Kenny are a winning team but realistically, the feud was too real to actually make it work. Just like Adam and CT.
This was awesome Drew! I love that you did all the research to back this up historically ❤Thank you!!!!! This channel is amaze ballz!!!❤
2 challenge hot takes
If Frank Sweeney did more seasons he would have one of the best careers maybe top 5 males
Evelyn was and still is the best female to ever step foot in The Challenge.
Evelyn 🐐
Darrell is a legend because of his past, not the present. Just because he hasn't won recently, doesn't mean he isn't worth talking about. Just because someone won in the past, doesn't mean they will always win. If that was the case, we would have the same winner every season. We've seen multiple legends that have gotten eliminated early or just before the finals. Most of the greatest challengers that we love are older now. There have been champs that lost against someone younger, and champs that have beaten the younger guys. Examples: CT losing to Jay on Total Madness and Bananas beating Fessy on Ride or Dies. It's solely based on strengths at that given moment. While they are still athletic and in shape, that doesn't mean they have the same capabilities as they did in their 20's. There are things that I could do in my early 20's that I can't do now at 31. They're human. They aren't invincible or flawless. There will be highs and lows. Darrell deserves to be talked about and brought back. His accomplishments deserve the spotlight.
Very well said!
Also, using Fessy as an example, he likes to say he could beat anyone in a physical elimination. In Ride or Dies, he said leave it to Bananas to be good at "the stupid shit." TJ says constantly that in order to be the best you have to beat the best. That's what makes a good challenger, to be good in both the physical and mental parts of the game. They worked hard to be where they are. They didn't just become a champ in one episode. It took years for some of the greatest. That is the exact reason I don't see Fessy as a potentional champ. He's his own delusional hype man and blames everyone else for his losses. With the final people in season 39, none of them really have the potentional to be the best because they never beat the best. The only one I want to see win and who I believe deserves that title is Nurys.
Thank you!!!
That is a REALLY good perspective on Wes's gassing out during the Rivals final that I've never considered before. Though without their massive lead getting wiped out on day 2 they probably still would've won
Hot take: the best male female duo would be Jordan and Cara! Or CT and Evelyn!
That's not a hot take, that's a fact.
Now that I’ve watched all of Kam’s seasons, I’m soooo impressed by her. Her weakness is swimming something I hope she’s worked on a little.
I think once she wins I’m putting her over Tori. I just trust Kam more. And I love her as a character.
I completely agree about Kenny. People like to pretend that he was this Adonis.
Keep the hot takes coming! We need more angel cake content!!!
Darell most definitely should’ve won Season 2 of All Stars
I REALLY enjoyed this!!! I love how you're able to discuss the nuances that really effect the conversation.
Thank you kind sir!!!
Tori is way too overhyped it took her nine season to win!
Tori - total cringe they way she played Challenge Worlds always protecting Jordan instead of concentrating on her team and teammate. Seriously Tori and Danny should have won that season and she blew it and yet she always states she is competitive.
My hot take: Fessy has a similar history as early CT. Both cocky, intimidating players, athletic, got DQ'd, won solid amount of dailies l, good elim records, bland social game, visit multiple finals up until their DQ.....
I say never bring back the skull twist, it lowered the drama drastically! Nobody wanted to fight for their spot in the game and the house became too relaxed. Even if you went in it wasnt so bad since you got a chance at getting a skull. Only way to bring it back would be to not have infinite skulls and actually have like a max of 8 skulls
This is one of if not the worst seasons ever of The Challenge. At least Bloodlines and The Island had people to root for!
I also will never forget that production literally tailored eating challenges for Tori bc shes vegan. If you cant eat something for the prize money, why are you there?
Thanks for the video!
As I watch the show from a long time ago, when MTV didn’t air it in South America, It would be great to have the show streamed worldwide in any platform.
My humble opinions about these hot cakes:
1. We can’t ignore the show’s history, no matter what, Darrell is and will be one of the top competitors, it’s true, the format have changed, but also the contestants, nowadays, we’re watching more holidays alliances than before.
2. Kenny was a good player, but as he was cancelled by MTV, it was impossible to see any long time improvement. Impopular question: how many years are enough to cancel the players? (Before the big drama with Camila, it was fun to watch her as a competitor). I repeat: just a question and not a statement.
3. Tori is by far one of the strongest female contestants, and I guess she has a lot of opportunities for the future in the show. And I also agree Kam is one of the strongest non winning, along with Jenna perhaps (don’t forget she’s Barbie Beast 😂).
4. Indeed, the current finalists are the worst group ever seen, strong social game, but I think the biggest competitors were consistently threatened, I hope this season had a red skull, or an opportunity to be safe from elimination if the player had already won the previous elimination. I hope Nurys wins, she is the most likeable from the group.
5. Impopular opinion perhaps: bring back the OG brits, like Georgia, Kyle, Jenny, Joss, etc.
Once again thanks for your video.
Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
I can't agree with including champs vs stars when taking about records. There isn't even money on the line, it's a joke
Darrell could win the final in the current season. No doubt!
Free Agents was an epic season, the final would have been brutal if it was ran by the fresh meat 2 girls (Laurel Cara and Theresa), had Cara not injured her arm, and had Theresa not pulled the kill card on the last draw right before te final, and Bananas Ct and Frank, had Frank not gotten sick, and had CT not pulled the kill card on the last draw before the final last
Paula is one of or THE MOST underrated women to ever win the challenge. I hate people saying she only won cause she had Emily and Ev, when Emily and Ev played with partners on other seasons and didn’t win.
Absolutely fantastic video, definitely should be a series
they not respecting darrell's name bc they dont respect black people. i think people forget racism is still alive lmao
7:07. Yeah. Wes hurt his back from having to carry Kenny all season.
Darrell is the old-school GOAT
All the old-school players had same rules and formats, nobody could touch him at the time.
So like you implied if anybody gets legend status from back in the day, you have to put Darrell up there too. He's the best of the old.
CT and Johnny got better but in those days they couldn't touch Darrell's resume.
That was a Hot Garbage take lol
Bananas literally started his career when Darell had his 4 wins. I love Darell but he ain’t better then Bananas, CT, Wes, Landon, Jordan, Derrick🤷♂️
@@rheller2086 I'm not saying Darrell is better than CT or Bananas, but Darrell dominated the old school era. Bananas and CT have dominated since then and clearly passed him up in new era.
Darrell won 4 straight seasons. Nobody else was doing that in same era with sane rules. That's the point. Not comparing him to what others did after, just saying in that era.
Darrell is 100% better than Derrick though lol I like Derrick better but Darrell has been better
History cannot be erased,Darrell is and always will be one of the best to ever played this game ... Emily S needs to come back,she hasn't shown all she can do ... the latest season suck ..one of the worst seasons so far,I'd take battle of the seasons 2012 over it any day...
1. Darrell is still top 5 easy!
2. Kenny's record would not match up with Johnny's or even surpass it.
3. Tori is a good player, but makes things too personal in the game. She is not THE GOAT, but I'm not mad at people saying she is a great player.
4. Kam is an great player. She has the full package when it comes to playing the game. I agree.
5. Chris was very good on USA2, and can see how his performance was top 5.
6. Yeah... I can't argue that one. Haha! I love Nurys, but even her game beginning of the season was boring and predictable.
Thanks for the content, as always!
Kam is better than tori
@@s.r6331 right!? Tori just has more friends who play the game alot.
@@s.r6331 I agree 100%! Killa Kam is 1000% better at the game period! I am just saying that I understand why people think Tori is a great player.
Tori is good at making friends in the game, but, because of that, everything becomes personal with Tori.
Kam is more than just friends. She is great in physical challenges and destroys in puzzles! Kam also doesn't let personal feeling affect her game play. I hope we get to see her again soon!
Tori also needs to take a break from The Challenge and focus on herself.
Kenny passes or ties Jonny rings
@@eddydcwildmigo90 I only disagree because of the points presented in the video. I could easily be wrong, but we will never truly know due to the ban.
thank you for all the time you put into this and many of your other videos! Dedication goes a long way and you surely have it!
I think Darrell is one of the best male competitors of all time. In my opinion its 1.CT 2.Bananas 3.Jordan 4.Landon 5.Wes and 6.Darrell
Wes is not better than Darrell.
1. Bananas 2. Jordan 3. CT 4. Landon 5. Darrell. Jordan or CT could move to No. 1 if either wins 40.
I would put Darrell BEFORE Wes. Always.
Darrell is a GOAT
Hey Drew, love your videos bro, hopefully you see this.
Darrell:
I have to push back on your points made here. Outside of Fresh Meat, which of his other 3 wins did he dominate?? When was he the MJ or the leader of his team?
He never was, he was a good team member that played in his role (Robert Horry). As his career continued and there were more individual and partner challenges you really saw his weaknesses shine (poor social and political game). If we had as many team challenges now as we did back then, other challengers would probably have more wins as well. I’m not saying Darrell is a bad competitor at all, I just don’t think he should be in the GOAT/top 5 conversation. I’d put( in no particular order): CT, Jordan, Bananas, Derrick and Kenny/Wes
Kenny:
I 100% agree with the hot take. 7 finals in 8 seasons is incredible. He absolutely would have continued to make it to finals and win. Strongly disagree with your comparison. Kenny is actually a more likable and athletic version of Bananas. Derrick is a more savage version of Darrell. If Kenny didn’t get ban I actually think Bananas and Kenny would’ve became Rivals since the team challenges were pretty much done at that point.
Tori:
I agree with your take outside Champs vs Stars counting. That series is very different from, not only the flagship, but also All-Stars and USA. The contestants didn’t win money for themselves and they stayed in hotels not to mention other differences. All-Stars and USA isn’t easier than the early seasons of the flagships which count so those should count.
Kam:
I agree with you.
Chris:
I agree with you.
39 contestants:
I’m one of the few that has actually enjoyed this season. I do agree this will go down as the weakest finalist group.
wow not having Cara as one of the goats is vial lols she has the best record out of any female most finals seen and most elimination wins. The only spot Cara doesnt get a good rep on is daily wins.
I don’t get why ppl ignoring a hot take with actual legs. That Kaycee is 1 of the all time female goats. If we are considering tori up there, Kaycee is easily superior. They compete in the same era and Kaycee has much better stats overall in all areas. Kaycee also has gotten further or beaten Tori in every season they competed together unless Kaycee was paired with her brother or nearly died from rhambo after production made her run a finals directly after putting her in a hall brawl against an Olympian 🙄
Camilla was the best female challenge champion
i love this vid, make it a series!
Thanks for putting this altogether! Very informative!
The Kenny S hot take.. i agree 🙈 only bc i think socially he wouldve killed
Great questions and answers
Another Cringe Tori moment during episode 18 in Spies Lies and Allies. Emanuel is voted into elimination and Tori keeps whispering NOT Devin while Emanuel is deciding who to go against. Of course Em picks Devin. The during the elimination Tori is trying to tell Em how to solve one of the puzzles. Nelson calls her out and she yells back "I want both of them to win". This and her helping Jordan instead of her teammate Danny during Worlds is why Tori will never be a GOAT. For someone who so loudly states they are very competitive yet she wants all of her friends to win does not need to be in the Challenge, EVER.
Yes Kenny was definetely better than Johnny and had he continued he would for sure had more wins
Ayyyyee I was watching this thinking to myself “man i always miss my opportunity to comment on these posts” and then BAM my comment pops up lol I forgot. Good insight Drew, you make good points 👍🏾
A lot of great points and changed perspective multiple times.
Every season beside 2 from the 30’s are on Paramount+. It was also on MTV app but they shut down the app on Jan 31st.
Really good Job Drew!!! A part 3 Will be nice 😊
Fantastic video as always. Love some of these takes!
Yes please, do a serie of those. We want know stats and hot takes
Let's not get it twisted, Everlyn is the greatest female challenger ever. She's better than Tori, Laurel, Cara Maria and any other female challenger u can think of
I think there is something off putting of tori and I think MTV trying to make her the face on the challenge is a mistake. I think why Cara Maria is still so loved is she is someone you want to root for, even when (in my opinion) mtv/other cast mates tried hard to ruin her reputation. Cara stopped allowing herself to be bullied and people tried to spin that as “she thinks she’s better than everyone”. I would love to see Cara and tori in a hall brawl. AND this season has been legit all puzzles…. I think a lot of people who made it to the final wouldn’t be here if they had legit any physical eliminations.
Imma be honest past challenges are hard to gauge with new because of the difference with team and individual challenges
Video is sick! Keep it goin!
Kenny woulda rode johnnys coat tails socially but I think Johnny would’ve consistently beat him
Opposite, Johnny rode Kenny socially, but Johnny was better at him in the dailies
Dude! You are so awesome for doing this!!! Now let me subscribe to your Patreon. The only one I would ever do this for. You really put in the work and deserve your coins.
I’d love to see hot takes become a series!
There is also a very good reason Kenny and Evan are no longer on the challenge. Will never view either in a positive light. Landon is the man. Idc how long it's been since he's competed. I'm dying and still holding out hope he'll come back.As far as Tori goes thats a no about Tori. I need Rachel, Ev and Cooke back. I don't think Cooke did many but she was a solid competitor.
Really fun video!
I wonder how Evan is, that guy Represented Canada on the Challenge in the Early Seasons and then Disappeared., it was cool to see a Canadian on the Show for that time,.
Honestly I agree with all except tori. She's not the female goat but even if she retired today I'd say she's one of the best females to ever do it. Puzzles being her downfall like cara
good job at putting all the stats together~
Tori is never going to be the top women challenger or the face of the show
I agree with the Chris thing. That was a helluva season. I hope he's on season 40 with all the best vets. Season 40 should be all champs.
Ayo!!! I didn’t even know about Bear and Georgia. Oowow
I don't know you even bother with the older seasons where it's already been proven that half the cast split the winnings
Loved this series
Your use of daily win % as a major factor in your evaluations is flawed. Much easier to win a team daily than an individual daily. You need to weigh based on how many opponents they beat (1 opponent if it’s 2 teams, 7 opponents if it’s 8 duos, 15 opponents if it’s 16 solo players etc.) to make the metric more encompassing
Let’s get a part 2!!
Great video! I’d watch more hot takes.
Great work Drew ❤
Evan is more Johnny then Kenny is, Kenny and Derrick for sure could’ve won atleast 1 to 2 more if they did more but evan would’ve been closer to Johnny