Ardeer Aggie - Tank Design & Development
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- Опубликовано: 14 сен 2021
- A look at the Ardeer Aggie guns tested in world was 2, culminating in the largest gun fitted to a British tank at this time, the 9.5-inch Aggie. This video will look at a few of the reasons it was created, tests done, explain how they worked as well as reveal a fact that 99% of tank fans were not aware of and a mistake commonly repeated.
Sources:Ardeer Aggie design papers NA
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Note to Infantry:
Do Not stand in front of Aggie
Do Not stand behind Aggie
Do Not stand by wall Aggie is offended by
Do Not smoke around Aggie
Do Not use Aggie as a waste receptacle
Do Not taunt Aggie
Aggie is your friend
Failure to follow these rules will result in reassignment to loader for Aggie
If Miss Aggie is pointing towards you, Mr Tank is not your friend.
Also do not attempt feeding of Aggie after midnight.
Move over KV2, there's a new derp in town.
All nerfed
"What you got out there on the back of the turret comrade? A machine gun? Look at this magnifique slew of sandbags cannon!"
at 45 seconds a round and .65 dispersion without the KV-2 soft stats good luck with that!
* new derp
Lol they always use heavy to put derp
As an ex Armoured Engineer it’s always good to see videos about AVRE, AVLB etc.
The germans had this one all figured out with the Sturmtiger. They just didnt have any walls to shoot at.
Marvellous video. I love the more obscure engineering endeavours you unearth. Never see it anywhere else. 👍
More to come!
@@armouredarchives8867 Perfect!
I like the part where it was deemed undesirable to have a 400 pound (shouldn't this have been "stone" /shrug) flaming bag of sand hitting someone in the jaw. I could see that being problematic, indeed. Then again, I had no idea that the original spigot gun required vertical external loading. This is why I love this channel.
Same here. I love this stuff.
Ardeer Aggie, when a flying dustbin just isn't scary enough.
I find it very interesting that engineers can come up with innovative ideas on paper but clearly did not think through the practicality of actually getting it to work under real conditions.
Getting a gun to work seems like enough of a headache in and of itself that I don't blame them for taking the "Just build the vehicle around it" approach. Different engineers for each task, after all.
Probably wasn't even engineer's who came up with it, but someone at a meeting and it was then passed to the engineers to make it work, been privy to enough meetings where someone's bright idea gets pushed through because it seems good, the engineers, always a minority, sit there going no, no nnooo and then have to try and make it work, and when it doesn't its an engineering failure, not an ill thought out idea in the first place, but credit to them for trying to make this thing work.
@@CrusaderSports250 Wish I had been a fly on the wall when the engineers received this idea. 😆
"Hitting someone in the chops at 800fps".
For using a very dry turn of phrase to paint a graphic picture, your well on the way to giving Drachifel a serious run for his money!
Drachinifel & Lindybeige XD
Eyyyy, I'm early, I look forward to the way new light has been shed on this rare vehicle
Hi friend, over from Cone of Arc!
This tank looks so strange, and of course only the gun is named. The Big Ben is the bell, after all, not the clock tower. Would be a shame to ruin this legacy. -.-'
This is the first of your videos that I've ever seen, and I have to say that your combination of clearly conveyed information and snarky comments makes for a fantastic watch! Can't wait to work my way down your videos!
Welcome aboard!
nice dig into this interesting vehicle, cheers! i'm only to seeing the one picture of the vehicle - nice to see more - if only there were existing video of it firing ;) thanks once again for such great content!
I had seen photos of the ardeer Aggie but this is the first real explanation of the weapon and why it was not produced. Thanks for sharing this.
11:22 Do I see Polish armored cavalry marking on the lower hull plate? A red and white checker?
indeed
Another great episode on such an unusual subject. Keep up the great work feller.👍🏻👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
Looks like my attempt to make a Churchill in Sprocket
Thank you for covering this, I have always been curious about this vehicle.
Our pleasure!
Is always an astounding video, thanks for your hard work.
Thank you very much!
Very informative overview of a nearly unknown vehicle/weapon system. Good work :D
Glad you liked it!
Thank you. Great video on a piece of military exotica - brilliant stuff
*Another great video. I liked and Subscribed*
Your videos are fantastic. google is a dumpster fire of a company. Keep up the great work
Thanks 👍
You're channel is back nice.
it is, saved by the community,. very grateful
This is so well armed if it's technically in violation of the Washington Naval Treaty.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Makes me want to take another look at Pupchen.
Glad you enjoyed it
The Germans must have been wondering what the fcuk was going on when they witnessed the funnies coming at them for the first time.
Apparently, when a bunker or other fortification was hit by an AVRE, the defenders became very eager to surrender or run away. Very few indeed hung around for a second hit.
@@Kevin-mx1vi It was common that the Crocodiles only had to spray fuel towards the bunker without lighting it and the Germans gave up immediately
@@tomsmith2209 Yeah, I'm old enough to have had school friends whose fathers fought in WWII (mine was just too young) and they said very much the same thing - the sight of a Churchill Crocodile approaching was often enough to cause resistance to collapse because the Germans were (quite reasonably) terrifed of them.
I heard that a common practice was to hit a strongpoint with an AVRE and follow that up with a Crocodile. Anyone that survived the sickening explosion of a "Flying Dustbin" and then saw something even more frightening approaching can hardly be blamed for wanting to call it a day.
@Armoured Archives Great video, sir.
On a different note, didn't you post a video some time ago featuring tank experiments with liquid fuel armor? I could swear, that you had, but I can't remember which video it was.
I think it was the GSOR1008
yup gsor1008
Please note. If Aggie is going to be fired at the Atlantic Wall just must allow an adequate distance for the blast. Brighton would do at a pinch.
One of two A.V.R.E Churchill crews did get a bit adventurous and tried to use their gun to knock out German tanks. It never ended well.
I never realized that this vehicle existed thanks for the valuable information.
Glad to help
Recoils guns were developed, the wombat is an example. I can see the problems with fixing it in an armoured turret though.
Something i could never dreamed off
That rear back blast problem could have been easily solved by building a vented enclosure around the back with a firing operated trapdoor which would open to allow the cartridge to exit.
True: since several MBT's today have Blowout Panels for if the ammunition cooks off, a firing mechanism triggered hatch for the back of the Aggie gun isn't all that implausible.
You really think there is an enclosure that can withstand a few hundred kg of sand blasted by explosive? Are you on drugs?
@@KuK137 A few hundred kg of sand? Where does that come from, out of your imaginary playground?
Interesting, my grandfather worked at Vauxhall, in Luton helping making Churchill tanks during the war. Be interested on a video on that tank.
Chuchill will be done, but like valentine and cromwell its gonna be a big long part series so il have to scedule it all in
Again very intersting Video. I am always amazed by the effect those rounds had on very solid concret walls and other instalations.
Also very good animations. What program did you do them with?
just in Photoshop
The Churchill is gone, but the Aggie remains!
now thats a vehicle i'd love to see in WT
The Funnies are the most interesting ones of ww2 honestly
Take the Petard . . . mount the spigots in a bank on a turntable . . . and you have Hedgehog. Genius lies in improvisation of existing ideas or hardware into new motif or to fit a tactical need.
Aye. First ever Depth Charge was a modified SeaMine.
It soon became apparent though that hunting Sub's with a weapon system hefting enough explosives per Depth Charge to sink a Battleship, was perhaps slightly overkill.
A simple 20mm hinged and sprung plate at the back of the turret would suffice.. plus paint stay clear on the rear
This tank looks scuffed
I love it
Btw
Was the Churchill able to fire its 6pdr with the Spigot Mortar or was the original gun completely removed ?
I think the spigot mortar completely replaced the 6 pdr on the churchhill avre .🙂
6pdr totaly removed - barley enough room for 1 mg left
Why does the phrase, "Hoist on your own petard" keep echoing in my mind now...?
They saw the sand backslash as a bug.
I see it as a feature.
Need to clear infantry out of trenches, woods, buildings, what have you?
Reverse the turret and fire away! (Be sure to have your infantry launch their assault right after the Aggie fires so that the defenders are good and suppressed.)
Ah, what a nice way to enjoy Wednesday evening. NB small misprint - World War II, rather than world was 2? However great video, and nice to see an attempt at getting a recoilless system into a turret or tank. Was that a shaped warhead by the way?
not a shaped charge as in HEAT style, just alot of PE and regular HE -dang missed that typo, honestly u can look a dozen times too before launch.
@@armouredarchives8867 thanks for the answer - to err is human old boy, I'd much rather have your lovely content than perfection in description text anyway.
Was war whaaa?
I believe one of the ways this has been tackled in more recent guns is to use water rather than sand as the counterweight, reloading could have also been made easier by extending the turret though you would still need the ejection port.
Except you can't extend turret, you're limited by turret ring. As for water, it's only possible in small guns and with modern containers. Imagine trying to lift wet cardboard bucket of water, there is a reason why they used sand...
@@KuK137 Extending the uninhabited portion of the turret doesnt require alteration to the turret ring so long as the bearings can take it. The water isnt in the ammunition but in a reservoir tank built into the vehicle so not sure where your getting wet cardboard buckets from.
This seems like a lot of work to develop, when they had 7.2 inch howitzers already...
Did not know about double decker bus's in the 40's, the street that the bus is photographed on still exists and survived the 50's munitions blast that totalled the area.
wicked
WoT PC had put the Yoh tanks into supertest!
If you buy stuff in wot you support terrorism.. Yeah wg has blood on their hands...
So a Churchill with a big iron gotcha
Still no idea why the funnies arent in WT yet.
How to make the most complex out of the simplest gun possible.
Its a gerat video.i subbed after this.but Could you pls also use metrics a bit.more for your fans from other countrys🙂. Greetings from germany.
I will try! cheers
I guess I know what I'm making in Sprocket now.
Find a cursed Churchill that was run over by the chariot of time and toss this preserved "sewer pipe of wonder" on that puppy!
Need this in WoT
Aggie, student from Texas Agricultural and Mechanical College.
saw the Scottish walls once always wondered what they were
War Gaming's new tier 8 premium.
The short range and terrible accuracy makes it tier 6 at best.
The British KV-2 that should be put in WarThunder.
Fascinating but highly impractical like many experimental weapons of the war .Not nearly as spectacular a failure as the Panjandrum.
Or the rocket tank, lifted by rockets to enable it to cross obsticals, such a wonderful idea what could go wrong, tested on a Valentine chassis that landed upside down most of the time, the idea was fortunately abandoned.
Awwh, and I thought Ardeer Aggie was such a good name for a tank, now I find out its just a plain old churchhill ! Lol
chuchill slowly stands, gets its hat an coat...and leaves..
@@armouredarchives8867 🤣👍
I didn’t hear anything about a bayonet mount for the front of the gun. Once you’ve fired your limited number of rounds at the lump of cement you’ve got nothing better to do than fix bayonet and charge!
I would like to learn about british tank destroyers before tortoise like at 8 or at 15
we have a video on the AT's before A39, they are however still all tortoises *AT8 and AT15 etc.
a friend of mine has the original prototype weapon sat in his field, no turret just the gun itself
ahh yes S.H?
A tank with back blast XD
I think your confusing mm with cm. 290 mm makes perfect sense, although it sounds too large by a few mm.
th chuchill avre? its noit we went and measured two of them, not 290mm at all. - there is a ww2 film with 29mm spigot mentioned on this vehicle which may well be the spike diameter and a decimal place left out, but its not a 290mm weapon for sure
A 200lb round? "Inadequate". Yeesh.
WHO ELSE IS HERE FROM WAR THUNDER ? ? ?
Hello there
Giant armburst
Imagine if gaijin adds this in warthunder
they would probly get it to work well, WOT on the otherhand...shudders
What would it's fire rate have been? Couldn't be quick.
i think we covered . ahh.. yes. 45 seconds per shot
@@armouredarchives8867 that's much quicker than I thought
@@gandsproductions5105 That's under ideal conditions with a well trained loader that is not terrified of getting blown into smithereens.
That's warship calibre......
Imagine the Churchill AVRE in T5 or 6 as a Premium tank in WoT shooting the Petard ammo, no one would be safe..... not even the buildings.
they asked me a while back to forment a viable tree for wot with these ...who knows...
NOw if it was based upon a Russian Lend/Lease Churchill it would have pinpoint accuracy and very positive Russian bias RNG. 😂
@@armouredarchives8867 I thought of this, as well. But, things get dicey and WarGaming magic, after the Churchill. You could assume a Blackprince with the 183 mm, then the Centurion. But, was there ever a Conqueror with the clearing gun or anything else?
@@jasontrauger8515 in War Thunder you have the centurion AVRE as a premium tank with a 6.5 inch (165mm) gun
"not even the buildings"
Reminds me of that video Wargaming put out I think late last year showing the lighthouse on the Cliff map getting blown up.
I'm here BC of the thumbnail, wtf is that?
the Ardeer Aggie makes me think of a what if churchill, armed with the american 105mm howitzer that was mounted on the M4 Shermans.
Careful.
You might offend an American Xenophobe.
You know they love their walls.