Orange William - Tank Design & Development
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Today's video is on the development of the Orange Willaim guided missile and the FV426 Carrier, Tracked, Launcher Orange William missile system launch platform developed in the late 50’s and early 60’s. The Orange William was designed to replace long-range tank destroyers and tanks and provide heavy firepower and was arguably the first NLOS-guided missile, however, it came at a high cost both financially and physically for those testing it. Also featured are several other rare vehicles and pictures which have never been published and have been sought after for many years as well as 3D models and video from LSAL
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The original (bonkers) MoS 1953 proposal could probably only now be met 60 years later using something like Starstreak or a smaller CAMM derivative. There are parallels between the physical/psychological problems the operators faced then and the issues Apache gunners face today when being presented with a different image in each eye - headaches, vomiting etc. Excellent video Ed.
Interestingly both Javelin and Hellfire have anti-air capability (normally discussed in the context of engaging helicopters).
The big issue appears to be having the kinematic ability to accelerate, guide and engage a fast fixed wing aircraft and have a warhead big enough to deal with an armoured ground vehicle, all in package small enough and light enough to be carried/handled in large numbers.
@@richardnicklin654 Anti-air missiles usually have a proximity fuse and an AA warhead producing big clouds of shrapnel.
An anti-tank warhead is usually of the HESH type, designed for a direct hit.
Both are very contrary - they are only useful for it's intended purpose. There is no point in firing a Hellfire at a plane - if you don't score a direct hit it is useless - waste of money and resources.
I think that is why AA rockets are used for AA tasks and AT rockets for AT tasks.
@@stanislavczebinski994 only Brits use HESH AFAIK. Virtually every other country uses HEAT. Making a HEAT round multipurpose beyond its inherent concussion impact is as simple as embedding some tungsten projectiles in the surface, as is done in the American Advanced MultiPurpose tank round. The broader question is whether a sufficiently nimble rocket could move a heavy warhead like a modern tandem round with extra flak.
@@NXTangl HEAT of cause - HESH is AFAIK outdated.
Yes, adding some fragmentation is possible - a true AA round will still be more effective at taking down planes.
Adding a second function means either twice the weight or half the functionality for each purpose. Plus, one round costs at least twice as much.
I guess that's why most munitions have only one function - but one they are pretty good at.
That sounds miserable
Small wonder it wasn't adopted, that aiming system sounds like utter hell to operate!
"Our system works perfectly, provided the Army can find human operators who can independently move each eye, is immune to motion sickness, claustrophobia, disorientation, and mental/physical fatigue under battlefield conditions. Or, failing the above, is able to train chameleons to do the task instead (re: Study into Ferret (vehicle) operated by Ferret (weasel))."
And do it all backwards, too. Sounds even worse than naval optical rangefinders. At least those just caused eyestrain and headaches.
Sounds like the side effects on some pill comercial XD
I have an example of the external missile guidance sight you are talking about from 1960, but it was never really as complicated as you describe. The sight is designed to gather and then guide the missile. They had a thumb joystick under the optics and a toggle switch to take over the guidance. A wide view is used for gathering the missile, when you can see the missile flare in the wide view you could take over guidance and then switch to narrow view to guide the missile to the target. All quite logical really and it worked well. To understand the 'facing backwards' issue, you need to think of the tactical situation the crew would be facing when in action, the aiming vehicle really wants to be facing away from the enemy for a fast getaway. This is why aimer was going to be facing backwards in the vehicle. The crew just preferred to face the target because of the disorientation you describe. But this issue entirely went away when the fixed sight was moved from the roof to the commanders hatch, that could be rotated. The same optic system that was developed for the Malkara was also used in the Vigilant and SwingFire. The optic units and controls were reused as they proved to be so good (and expensive).
Thank you for the continued exploration of this sorely under rated missile system and the bizzare launch vehicles
Ah, Seacat: for when you absolutely, must for certain, without ANY shadow of a doubt, make the crew of the ship launching it think that it might work in the intended role. Shame it did nothing but take up space and provide the crew something to clean.
It got a few kills in the Falklands.
I had a ex-RNZN flatmate back in the 80's who was a seacat gunner. He was an alcoholic but according to him and some of his mates, he was THE RNZN seacat gunner. Repute has it that he was used to make sure the missile did hit the target and give the ship a tick in the box but they had to give him several doses of the tot first.
Luckily, the RNZN only had a few ships so he could eb shred around easily. Incidently, when the RNZN decommisisoned the seacat, the sold a pile fo them to Chile and put even more in the scrap. Through wheeling and ewlain allt he scrap eneded up in private hands and I was lcuky enough then to get hold oif a compalet drill seacat missile.w hcih sat in my liunge for several years until I got a good offer (Ithought then) and sold it.
Found your channel from Cone of Arc. Absolutely outstanding content man! Keep it up!
Awesome, thank you!
I just did a video about anti tank rocket/missile guidance options and I am glad I didnt have to explaine this extreamly complicated system.
Its almost like some exiled german engineers had a hand in this, driving up the complexity for the fun of it )
Very nice Video and visuals, as always
I would say a Communist mole, sent to screw things up.
"How can we drive everyone involved as crazy as possible, as quickly as possible?"
Yes, another Standard Template Construct design.
A new article is always welcome.I,m fascinated by these "nearly was" designs,great stuff!!
Bonkers but very interesting, amazing how you are able to dig up all the stuff you do eventually find.
I initially misunderstood when you spoke of flares, and envisioned a pre-laser target designation system using flares fired into the target to provide a heat-signature for a heat-seeking missile to lock onto.
Wow, incredibly complex for the day! Great video!
Amazing, love the 3D model too!
I found an passing view F V 421 cargo carrier sat laybuy near Edinburgh Castle it's in a film call the leather boys it's towards the end of the film just as I leave Edinburgh Castle heading towards London it's an old 1960s motorbike film it just seemed be a bit old that a prototype vehicle was just sat in the lay-by ,I think it might be the same one that ended up on the Rangers , I like your content and images it remind me of going around Longcross is a small child I was tank mad when I was a child a couple of ministry blokes take me over to the test track let me watch the tanks go around the track keep up the great content
That was a great video, I'm always astounded at his you dig up this hard to find information.
its all in the archives, - just sometimes it takes a while to find
cool cool! again, another vehile to which i was previously uninformed - thanks, ed!
0:15 Gerry Anderson's prop designers for the UFO TV series evidently got a look at this thing before designing SHADO 2.
16:03 - Rowan Atkinson in the front and possibly George Formby in the back?
i saw that too
:P
Excellent video as always. Thanks
That 2-vehicle takeover system is about the most bizarre scheme I have seen in your video's. Whoever thought it would work with the technology of the time must have been the Prince Of Wishful Thinking,
Great video, thanks for your hard work!
Isn't there suppose to be a Part 3 to this series to cover the light vehicles armed with Malkara missiles? Was it unlisted?
I have seen a page about the Conqueror II. There is no vehicle. There was a model of it. I can't find the page about it anymore. Could you have a look for it please.
Thanks great video
"Fiddly" is a massive understatement.
That is the most mental guidance system ever
That sounds like a really freaky obscure sex act. “Then I gave her an Orange William before she had to shower”
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.
FV426 reminded me more of an armored version the rover in the original TV version of Lost In Space. Minus the cupola mounted laser cannon. LOL
Literally clicked on this video because I thought it was a 40K lore video.
What does FV stand for? Im a german, in WW 2 our prototype tanks had the letter VK "Versuchs-Konstruktion" "Test Construction"
fighting vehicle
I totally understand the difference in the size of computer but I am still surprised that the Malkara was expected to have a range of just 2000m.
thats about right for its time, cobra and entac which are in the same time period if not a tad later have the same range
Where do the british anti-tank missiles originate from? All i know about early anti-tank missiles is the ruhrstahl X-4 that the french messed around a bit with but turned out to be a bit of a dead end in design due to the annoying fuel it used.
early work in guided system can be traced back to 1928 with sheppard and ram systems albeit air tto air and air to groundm albeit in dronesm for ;missiles; as we would see them - 1941-42 era with guided bombs, the first funtioning tests in 43-44 and the first beam riders and heat seeking missiles in jan 45, with little ben (longshot) but the war effort was focused in what coulkd be pridcued fast and quickly and so many eperimentals were at a slower pace so that resources, materials and staff could be where they were most needed
Thank you. Interesting story and … despite the politicians, Fairey managed to leverage a successful missile off the OW work!
thye did indeed, S.F was an entriley diff spec and mech but the 'work practice and 'what didnt work' certainly helped make something that did
Willaim? Typo(s) ?
fixed ty
Why do medium and light platform designations functionally overlap? 4 missiles could mean you are both medium and light?
il cover the light ones next time, its also the weight of the vehicle, airportability, how long it can be in the field etc
At 8:30, I went crosseyed for a second...
Great video! Those poor operators, all I have to say is, “…You gotta be fu*king kidding me!?!!!!”
Looks like a Spectrum Persuit Vehicle
Having the missile and the target tank in each eye seperately sounds even worse than using a naval rangefinder
Thinking of stuffing 3 crewmen into a Mk2 ferret should have been enough to make the designers think "Hang on". A Mk 1/2 can fit 3 but even then it's a tight squeeze.
I'm not familiar with English terminology. What is a TOOTLE PIP? ORIGIN?
Seems the targeting system was waaaay too complicated. And given the weapon had to directed at the control vehicle, a recipe for disaster.
The British term 'toodle-pip' is a combination of toodle-oo and 'pip-pip - which all mean the same thing. There are several variants of combinations of these expressions 'tootle-oo', 'toodle-doo', 'tootle-pip' and so on. :)
i wonder if that was fairey just round the corner in stockport heaton chapel levenshulme border ....they make the boxer there now ,an when i left school fairey werent takin on apprentices .
I saw 'Belfast' and 'Orange'....then omg.
5:38 how can you jam a wire guidance? o_O
"compelxity or in the latter case...being jammed." so tryign to get wire guidance over NLOS at 4km was not going to work, and a radio guidance could be jammed
Dumb question incoming... who did they have to borrow the simulator from?
ah PYE, a fellow electical software company that also had a toe in the defence market, so in essense having to ask a rival to borrow their gear,
All good fun.
Why engineers need field experience:
Ah yes, British prototype development, the work of mental people.
Engineer 1: "our system is so bad it's causing psychosis, should we improve it?"
Engineer 2: "no, clearly these human beings are defective, our design is perfect!"
Seems fucking insane to operate, imagine performaning all that during real combat. High amounts of training would be required to achieve any effectiviness
Especially trying to fit two crewmen in a ferret turret in the first place.
Oh... so the naming convention has nothing to do with a historical Dutch Megachad...
A pity, but an interesting article nonetheless.
Well, if Ferret is wiped out, then Willy becomes useless bunch of steel and explosive stuff, isn't it?
They should have leaked these designs to the Russians, who definitely would have tried them as well
Who tf finds a super-rare prototype and cuts it into pieces. Oh it is a British Museum...
wont be the first time either
18:16 - For some reason I have trouble imagining a British company being evil XD
Basicly a 40k rhino
Guess they should have stuck to the remote control plane testing - they might have come up with their own kamikaze drone decades before anyone else !
Must be a Protestant missile
My god xD Brits firing missiles at their own tanks and hoping the controls work is insane
Sounds like FAR too many moving parts
narp its says middlsex i no see dat afore .yarp!.
Those poor operators...
Just thinking about it gives me a headache. Playing armchair historian in my head, assuming i have the mental faculties to operate this monstrosity, it would take me easily a few hundred hours of practice to successfully guide this thing under stress conditions. Merely getting an entire eight hours a day of practice would be difficult with all the downtime you would need to recover!
UK, stop trying to make HESH a thing. It's never going to happen.
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The Brits really had a talent to design some of the most hideous vehicles ever. FV426... Reminds me of that concrete APC for the home guard
Ha ha first. All shall bow before me, prostrate yourselves at my infinite majesty.