A leveling spec that uses 80 points doesn't really help that much. I think leveling specs should start with 70 points then have a path that you're working towards going to 80.
Really nice guide overall. Just one heads up is that on the opener you probably will want to blood strike before scourge strike after you apply your diseases just to get the desolation damage buff.
@@New2R6 yea , but every bit helps trying to out dps the rogues in my group lol, and nope just alot of caster gear hoping this week to see some plate goodies
I have seen guides say not to use minor glyph horn of winter. It just griefs other DKs that want a 3rd minor glyph as they can't use their horn unless they click yours off. Casting horn is usually desired as it gives runic power instead of having a cost, as long as you can find an open global to do so. glyph of blood tap is the go to.
I've read the same but have now experienced on own hand that it is not true. Other DK's are free to cast their 2 min HoW even when buffed with 3 min HoW
For the opener, after Icy touch and plague strike for diseases, why you don't Blood Strike first and then Scourge Strike, so that you can get 5% increased damage from the Desolation talent
9:00 Instead having a macro with MCP and everything you can already use MCP before you even army to snapshot army with haste since the buff last 30 sec .
Why wouldn't you use the glyph that refreshes the diseases since it lets you use Scourge strike more often and still let's you use blood strike to proc the talent?
Great video, good info, although i disagree about one thing, Outbreak is a mandatory endgame talent, since Scourge strike and Plague strike are such a big portion of your damage and in the opener always use blood strike over scourge strike to get the 5% extra damage as early as possible, on bosses with RP i even use Bstrike before i apply my diseases.
Can you make an upgraded guide for today's meta and rotation etc? A lot of guilds are struggling to improve their DKs but the information is just not out there.
Idk if I'm doing my rotation right but my rotation is for single target > PS > IT > when both diseases up > use 2x blood strike and with desolation buff use scourge strike blood tap > scourge strike this is my opener but I need help which spell to use after those are on cd
I was wondering... if you snapshot the gargoyle and cast Ghul fury afterwards, does it affect the gargoyle aswell? since the tooltip says: increases your minions attack speed.... I think its misleading
Is this guide still viable? I see the end game talents and i really doubt those are still the best you can take. Or maybe you can explain why Outbreak is not taken? 2handed uh might not be the meta right now but i know there are quite some players who still prefer it over dual wield. Could you maybe make an updated guide? ^^
3/3 on Wondering Plague ha no meaning for single or 3/3 mobs thats pointless, those points should go in Outbreak since u dont use pestilence and u have to hit with It and PS all the time
why almost all guides say 1400 arpen for unholy and in-game i ask and every1 tells me not to gem arpen but str/haste. Do I use arpen on Unholy or not?...
armor pen is only good if you have a lot of it - a little bit of armor pen isn't worth it. Because armor pen is so rare in phase 1, don't bother with it at all. Go for hit first, then stack str / haste. You can regem for armor pen late ulduar or at trial
@@shaunowen2885 Deances wotlk wowhead unholy guide, and Gnimos unholy guide for warmane are good places to start. After those check out whitewolfs guide here ruclips.net/video/BXSbwqG1jE8/видео.html&ab_channel=Whitewolf
So, I'm seeing DW might be meta late game, but how does that compare to having Shadowmourne? It's such a disgustingly powerful weapon, I don't see it not being the meta when ICC drops.
@@mikaelboileau9853 Thanks for the reply. Just want to make sure going after Shadowmourne is the best option. I know Shadow's Edge isn't super great to use, but you have to in order to create Shadowmourne, so by ICC, I expect to be doing less DPS until I go through all the challenges of getting the weapon.
@@Strathaczar I think if I remember correctly it was doing like 8% more dmg as Shadowmorne compared to DW bis in ICC ,Should watch whitewolf video thats the best info from Private sever for Unholy dks
Question to the unholy dw dks out there.... i have a greqt opener i can burst like hell get nearly 300% on gargoyle but do i stay in blood presence or do switch back to unholy presence after initial burst?
1. no because you snapshot the gargoyle so he benefits from the stats and buffs you have when you summon it. 2. if there is an enhancement shaman there will be a stronger str/agi buff from his totem.
Oh also recently on private servers dual wield unholy has shown that it might be the meta over 2h at max. Would love to hear what you find if you look into that
Great video! I'm sooo looking forward to maining a DK, but have trouble choosing Frost or Unholy. Are there some numbers out already of the beta, showing overal DPS values per spec? Could maybe something be said about the benefits of unholy vs frost (not looking at dps)? As in: when would you advise someone to go frost, and when unholy dps?
Your rotation becomes (IT + PS + Blood Strike) -> (DND) -> (IT + [PS if Ghoul Frenzy has more than 10 sec remaining, otherwise Ghoul Frenzy] + Blood Boil) -> repeat. When you get the sigil that has a chance to proc 200 str from using scourge strike then it becomes (IT + PS + Blood Strike) -> (DND) -> ([Scourge Strike if Ghoul Frenzy has more than 10 sec remaining, otherwise IT + Ghoul Frenzy] + Blood Boil), of course keeping up HoW and Bone Shield.
Shouldn’t you first learn to play Unholy before you try to teach others how to max dps? Morbidity get rid of it ASAP and never spec it EVER - 1 point you will be spending in the boost of death coil and that will be Unholy Blight. D&D glyph is only for Halion and nothing else.
For open world definitely Unholy, it lets you get On a Pale Horse (+20% mount speed) and Improved Unholy Presence (+15% move speed in Blood/Frost Presence). Unholy has great sustained AoE damage, and by dumping excess Runic Power into Corpse Explosion you can easily pull several mobs at once. If you care more about dungeon levelling then Frost is probably a better DPS spec. Stuff tends to die super fast in levelling dungeons so Unholy doesn't see it's sustained AoE value. Frost has a lot of immediate burst damage through abilities like Howling Blast, which makes it great for dungeons where mobs die in a few seconds.
@@spawn4760 It really depends which weapons you are looking at, but before 80 I would generally say 2H is better than DW. With a 2H weapon your strikes are going to hit for more, but you maybe do a bit less auto-attack (white hit) damage. DW can be pretty frustrating for levelling if you don't have much hit rating, since you will miss a lot. That said if you have some really good 1H weapons, maybe with a ton of crit rating, they could potentially be better just because of making your Corpse Explosion better. One thing to note is that DK don't start with Mace skill trained, and the weapons you get out of the starting zone are 2H Axe/Sword. So you will need to spend a little bit of time levelling weapon skill if you want to go with something else.
Why wouldnt you take Outbreak talent which gives you +20% dmg for scourge strike and 30% plague strike lol
Since he didnt link the Whitewolf video here is the link:
ruclips.net/video/BXSbwqG1jE8/видео.html
A leveling spec that uses 80 points doesn't really help that much. I think leveling specs should start with 70 points then have a path that you're working towards going to 80.
Too bad you aren't a dev
lmao what do u mean xD u get the unholy stuff first and personal pref if u go frost or blood scd ...
Really nice guide overall. Just one heads up is that on the opener you probably will want to blood strike before scourge strike after you apply your diseases just to get the desolation damage buff.
thanks bro. did my first nax last night and this is a good pointer i didn't think about!
@@clayboi4840 I think its pretty minimal but when u get into the habit it comes automatically. Any good loot ftom naxx?
@@New2R6 yea , but every bit helps trying to out dps the rogues in my group lol, and nope just alot of caster gear hoping this week to see some plate goodies
I have seen guides say not to use minor glyph horn of winter. It just griefs other DKs that want a 3rd minor glyph as they can't use their horn unless they click yours off. Casting horn is usually desired as it gives runic power instead of having a cost, as long as you can find an open global to do so. glyph of blood tap is the go to.
I've read the same but have now experienced on own hand that it is not true. Other DK's are free to cast their 2 min HoW even when buffed with 3 min HoW
Why would you prioritize runic power over runes to not let your unholy blight drop? Makes literally no sense.
For the opener, after Icy touch and plague strike for diseases, why you don't Blood Strike first and then Scourge Strike, so that you can get 5% increased damage from the Desolation talent
cause your runes gonna be rdy earlier rdy with scourge like the timer starts earlier for 1 frost and 1 uh then for just 1 Blood rune
You really don't take outbreak? I cannot see that even in the early phase.
When are we going to get a guide that's actually useful?
Sarthe vs Rugs, who would win?
kinda obvious, no? Rugs
what competition are we talkin? If we're talking strictly looks, sarthe wins every time. That man is drop dead gorgeous
Whitewolf
9:00 Instead having a macro with MCP and everything you can already use MCP before you even army to snapshot army with haste since the buff last 30 sec .
No info on professions...
Why wouldn't you use the glyph that refreshes the diseases since it lets you use Scourge strike more often and still let's you use blood strike to proc the talent?
Great video, good info, although i disagree about one thing, Outbreak is a mandatory endgame talent, since Scourge strike and Plague strike are such a big portion of your damage and in the opener always use blood strike over scourge strike to get the 5% extra damage as early as possible, on bosses with RP i even use Bstrike before i apply my diseases.
ur wrong lmao do it and play worse but dont try to teach others bozo
You actually SS over BS to get the 2 runes back faster.
why sc strike before blood in the opener? would you not want the extra damage buff?
because hes shit
Can you make an upgraded guide for today's meta and rotation etc? A lot of guilds are struggling to improve their DKs but the information is just not out there.
One question in the perfect opener, you say all CD's but which skills are all CD's?
Are you still covering hunter content in Wrath? Or fully going in on the DK hype?
Idk if I'm doing my rotation right but my rotation is for single target > PS > IT > when both diseases up > use 2x blood strike and with desolation buff use scourge strike blood tap > scourge strike this is my opener but I need help which spell to use after those are on cd
Also most people have figured that both ghoul frenzy and glyph of DND is dps increase now.
Is that in beta though or only private servers
Ghoul frenzy is only better if you're running some type of haste build right?
Ever considered on a pale horse for leveling?
After the scourge strike shouldn't you use pestilence and spread the diseases
isnt outbreak needed? 20% SS buff?
eh dont u wanna blood strike before scourge strike for 5% more dmg? kekw
yes
Cant wait for the red tide :D Will be such a blast from the past to play it again!
Why Scourge strike followed by Bloodstrike and not the otherway around or are you talking about t9 sigil opener ?
I was wondering... if you snapshot the gargoyle and cast Ghul fury afterwards, does it affect the gargoyle aswell? since the tooltip says: increases your minions attack speed.... I think its misleading
wont work like that sadly
I'll addicted to woltk content, hyped cant wait
Keep up the content really enjoyed this one
Legit guide, thanks for your time and effort!
Is this guide still viable? I see the end game talents and i really doubt those are still the best you can take. Or maybe you can explain why Outbreak is not taken? 2handed uh might not be the meta right now but i know there are quite some players who still prefer it over dual wield. Could you maybe make an updated guide? ^^
Keep it up dude, solid. Thank you
Have you tried out duel wield unholy on the beta yet?
you did not link whitewolfs guide :(
3/3 on Wondering Plague ha no meaning for single or 3/3 mobs thats pointless, those points should go in Outbreak since u dont use pestilence and u have to hit with It and PS all the time
why almost all guides say 1400 arpen for unholy and in-game i ask and every1 tells me not to gem arpen but str/haste. Do I use arpen on Unholy or not?...
armor pen is only good if you have a lot of it - a little bit of armor pen isn't worth it. Because armor pen is so rare in phase 1, don't bother with it at all. Go for hit first, then stack str / haste.
You can regem for armor pen late ulduar or at trial
Nice job. To the point and not over done.
Playing this class for WOTLK !
so what do i use for blue sockets more armor pen or just spell power and spell pen ?
Where can I find the weak auras for buffs like horn and desolation?
What are the best professions ?
Tons of misinformation in this video. Please dont take this seriously if you are looking to main unholy.
able to point to a better one?
@@shaunowen2885
Deances wotlk wowhead unholy guide, and Gnimos unholy guide for warmane are good places to start. After those check out whitewolfs guide here ruclips.net/video/BXSbwqG1jE8/видео.html&ab_channel=Whitewolf
why is this a mix of dw and 2h the talents seem really off
where is the whitewolf guide?
Super Helpful guide
Wotlk hype! DK hype!
What about corpse explotion?
Where’s the white wolf link
does that snapshot gargoyle thing still work? that sounds awful
Insane how you keep getting away with copying other creator's content and adding little to no value/practical experience
He also has talents wrong which is funny
ur pisst
insane how you keep watching someone’s content you don’t enjoy. mega cringe.
Who did he take it from 👀
@@brandonkruse6412 calling someone's actions cringe? How cringe. What are we 13 ?
When talking about macros you mention 10 and 14. What’s that?
gloves + trinket
So, I'm seeing DW might be meta late game, but how does that compare to having Shadowmourne? It's such a disgustingly powerful weapon, I don't see it not being the meta when ICC drops.
DW from private server info,DW is better compared to 2h to everything until Shadowmorne that is bis no matter what
@@mikaelboileau9853 Thanks for the reply. Just want to make sure going after Shadowmourne is the best option. I know Shadow's Edge isn't super great to use, but you have to in order to create Shadowmourne, so by ICC, I expect to be doing less DPS until I go through all the challenges of getting the weapon.
@@Strathaczar I think if I remember correctly it was doing like 8% more dmg as Shadowmorne compared to DW bis in ICC ,Should watch whitewolf video thats the best info from Private sever for Unholy dks
@@mikaelboileau9853 sounds good, man. I'll check that out. I main/mained a DK for 13 years. I just don't remember much of the meta from 2008 😜
Question to the unholy dw dks out there.... i have a greqt opener i can burst like hell get nearly 300% on gargoyle but do i stay in blood presence or do switch back to unholy presence after initial burst?
You have to horn after the gargoyle summon to give him that buff as well. Fyi the runrforge part was blurred out didnt show the enchant on wep
I just tested this on the beta, the gargoyle didnt get the horn buff, at least nothing showed.
1. no because you snapshot the gargoyle so he benefits from the stats and buffs you have when you summon it. 2. if there is an enhancement shaman there will be a stronger str/agi buff from his totem.
sick!
Weird, I've watched a lot of unholy dks videos, I'm trying to find a tanking one though.
what does snapshot mean
Oh also recently on private servers dual wield unholy has shown that it might be the meta over 2h at max. Would love to hear what you find if you look into that
uhm he said that at the start of this video xD
NICE
Frost gonna be ok in Ulduar and ICC?
yes
Is it worth going the frost subspec with unholy 2h for raid testing? I'm currently blood sub spec and testing tonight
You go blood sub spec first 2 tiers
@@avekatten3207 blood for Naxx, frost in Ulduar now that dual wield is better
@@brandonkruse6412 who said DW is better ? its just a P-Server thing ...
@@paracelsus5922 No. It literally sims higher in beta
I think I'm just gonna stick with the mindless mage rotation LOL
Unholy DK leveling spec without mount speed buff; this guy trolling? Didn't hear him say dungeon grind spec, maybe I missed it?
It's funny how fast these guides become outdated.
When "The blind leading the blind" ...
Boost!
Beta allows Weak Auras now.
levelup
Great video! I'm sooo looking forward to maining a DK, but have trouble choosing Frost or Unholy. Are there some numbers out already of the beta, showing overal DPS values per spec?
Could maybe something be said about the benefits of unholy vs frost (not looking at dps)? As in: when would you advise someone to go frost, and when unholy dps?
Spellhance next pls :D
What changes in the rotation when you go morb/dw?
Your rotation becomes (IT + PS + Blood Strike) -> (DND) -> (IT + [PS if Ghoul Frenzy has more than 10 sec remaining, otherwise Ghoul Frenzy] + Blood Boil) -> repeat. When you get the sigil that has a chance to proc 200 str from using scourge strike then it becomes (IT + PS + Blood Strike) -> (DND) -> ([Scourge Strike if Ghoul Frenzy has more than 10 sec remaining, otherwise IT + Ghoul Frenzy] + Blood Boil), of course keeping up HoW and Bone Shield.
Shouldn’t you first learn to play Unholy before you try to teach others how to max dps? Morbidity get rid of it ASAP and never spec it EVER - 1 point you will be spending in the boost of death coil and that will be Unholy Blight. D&D glyph is only for Halion and nothing else.
random comment, f dk, hunter, prot war btw
Rip unholy DK
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DEATH KNIGHT
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Have they announced how DK's will work on fresh servers?
you have to lvl a char to 55 first on the fresh servers
@@nilocm6365 ah, appreciate it
Hello, better Frost or Unholy for leveling?
unholy by a mile
For open world definitely Unholy, it lets you get On a Pale Horse (+20% mount speed) and Improved Unholy Presence (+15% move speed in Blood/Frost Presence). Unholy has great sustained AoE damage, and by dumping excess Runic Power into Corpse Explosion you can easily pull several mobs at once.
If you care more about dungeon levelling then Frost is probably a better DPS spec. Stuff tends to die super fast in levelling dungeons so Unholy doesn't see it's sustained AoE value. Frost has a lot of immediate burst damage through abilities like Howling Blast, which makes it great for dungeons where mobs die in a few seconds.
Thank you guys
And for weapons in Unholy better 2H or 1H x2?
@@spawn4760 It really depends which weapons you are looking at, but before 80 I would generally say 2H is better than DW. With a 2H weapon your strikes are going to hit for more, but you maybe do a bit less auto-attack (white hit) damage. DW can be pretty frustrating for levelling if you don't have much hit rating, since you will miss a lot. That said if you have some really good 1H weapons, maybe with a ton of crit rating, they could potentially be better just because of making your Corpse Explosion better.
One thing to note is that DK don't start with Mace skill trained, and the weapons you get out of the starting zone are 2H Axe/Sword. So you will need to spend a little bit of time levelling weapon skill if you want to go with something else.
just play frost lol, too much managing.
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lol dual wield unholy is so dumb lol
Are you saying Dual Wield is better?
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